Nightcap Hour 2: Celtics Joe Mazzula NAMED Coach of the Year + LeBron NOT TAKING Paycut for Cavs + What’s Worse: Postered OR Crossed? + Wemby Rookie Card GOES for $5.11 MILLION

27 May 2026 · 1 h 33 min · 33 chapters

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In short

The episode covers four main topics: (1) NBA awards and team performance, (2) LeBron James’ free-agency/paycut rumors and possible destinations, (3) basketball “embarrassment” debate (posters/dunks vs crossovers), and (4) sports collectibles—Victor Wembanyama’s rookie card selling for $5.11 million.

Guests/backgrounds

The transcript is a co-hosted sports talk show with multiple speakers (referred to as “Joe” and “Ocho”/“Unc”). They discuss NBA players/plays from a fan/insider perspective; one speaker also shares personal football (NFL) experience about aging and technique, using it as an analogy for LeBron’s decline and role changes.

Key claims

  • Joe Mazzulla was named 2025-2026 Coach of the Year for leading the Celtics to a 56-26 record despite Jason Tatum’s Achilles injury; the hosts argue the award was “well deserved.”
  • LeBron reportedly won’t take a pay cut to return to the Cavaliers; a sign-and-trade is discussed involving Jared Allen (linked to $28M) potentially going to the Lakers.
  • The hosts argue getting crossed up and falling is more embarrassing than being posterized.
  • Wembanyama’s Panini Prism Black Parallel rookie card sold for $5.11M, described as the most expensive known non-autographed NBA card.

Notable examples

  • Celtics roster losses mentioned (Porzingis, Al Horford, Holiday).
  • Crossovers/dunks referenced: Rudy Gobert comparisons; “Castle” vs Hartenstein; Ant-Man (Paul George/Clippers-era reference) dunking; Vince Carter, Dominique, Sean Kemp, Westbrook, Derrick Rose floaters.
  • Card market comparisons: Jordan/Kobe (~$12M), LeBron (~$10M), Babe Ruth, Honus Wagner, Aaron Judge.

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Joe Mazzula: Coach of the Year

3:24 to 4:49

A discussion on Joe Mazzula's award and the Celtics' achievements.

“Mazzulla led the Celtics to a 56-26 record in what most people consider an impossible situation, keeping the franchise afloat, considering Jason Tatum spent the majority of the season recovering from an Achilles injury.”

LeBron's Future: No Pay Cut

4:49 to 7:20

Analyzing LeBron James' potential return to the Cavaliers and salary situation.

“he still gets rewarded for what the players did on the court.”

LeBron's Role and Team Dynamics

7:20 to 14:03

Exploring LeBron's position and fit within the Lakers and potential trades.

“I don't know how much he can get from the Lakers, especially if they re-sign Austin Reeves.”

LeBron's Return to the Lakers: A Gauntlet Ahead

14:03 to 15:03

Discussing LeBron's potential return to the Lakers amidst tough competition in the West.

“And then you got to think about, he already said he thought that they didn't have enough talent to beat OKC.”

LeBron's Perceived Value and Impact

15:03 to 16:06

Analyzing LeBron's scoring ability and its impact on the game as he ages.

“I can still give you six or seven assists.”

The Changing Dynamics of NBA Teams

16:06 to 17:31

Exploring the evolving quality of NBA teams and LeBron's role within them.

“Kevin Durant scoring 28-30, they don't impact the game like they once did.”

LeBron's Decision-Making: Money vs. Winning

17:31 to 19:24

Debating what factors will influence LeBron's decisions regarding his next team.

“Just like when Michael Jordan was on the Wizards.”

Evaluating LeBron's Championship Aspirations

19:24 to 20:59

Discussing LeBron's desire to win another championship and the implications of team fit.

“I think the combination is obviously the money has to be right because first, he's a basketball player, but he's also a businessman.”

The Legacy of Sacrifice in Winning

20:59 to 23:34

Examining the sacrifices made by players like LeBron and others to achieve championships.

“But look, I know he says he ain't gone on vacation, but LeBron has thought about this.”

Personal Reflections on Aging Athletes

23:34 to 28:00

Sharing personal experiences of aging in sports and the challenges of maintaining performance.

“With Melo, Bron and Wade, I just think Bosch fit so well because he understood his role and he played it to the T.”
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Reflections on Athletic Pride and Performance

28:00 to 32:50

The hosts discuss their pride as athletes and the challenges of acknowledging decline in performance over time.

“Condensement splits, whatever you got to do.”

What's Worse: Getting Dunked On or Crossed?

36:07 to 42:00

The hosts engage in a lively debate about whether getting dunked on or crossed over is more embarrassing.

“or getting crossed over on a jump or hit on you?”

The Value of Rookie Cards and Collectibles

42:00 to 45:50

Learn about the rising values of rookie cards and personal stories of card collections.

“The complete list of cards that have sold for over$5 million.”

Favorite Jordans and Shoe Collections

51:34 to 56:00

Explore favorite Jordan shoes and the significance of sneaker collections.

“Before we get to our Super Chat, we've got four video voicemails from our Discord.”

Sneaker Collections and Comfort

56:00 to 56:49

Discussion about personal sneaker collections and comfort footwear.

“If I had a pair of Jordan, I don't really wear them that much now.”

Aging and Accepting Change

56:51 to 58:32

Reflecting on the realities of aging and personal experiences with getting older.

“I'm more of an, well, I'm more of a croc guy.”

Reflections on Growing Older

58:33 to 1:01:11

Further conversation about aging, wisdom, and maintaining youthfulness.

“Man, I ain't never heard the word unk until I got on Undisputed.”

Fishing Adventures and Techniques

1:01:12 to 1:02:19

Exciting discussions about fishing techniques and experiences.

“Nah, nah, we gotta get, I'm wondering why Ocho running around here with this naked face.”

Noodling and Fishing Gear

1:02:20 to 1:06:38

Conversation about noodling and various fishing gear.

“I gotta beat Joe fishing, cause Joe swear he can fish.”

Funny Locker Room Moments

1:06:39 to 1:10:03

Sharing humorous stories and experiences from locker rooms.

“I'm saying when y 'all snatch him out, I'ma hit him across my head.”

Navigating Personal Stories

1:10:03 to 1:10:43

The hosts discuss the sensitivity surrounding personal anecdotes involving friends and family.

“They may, may not have kids or even grandkids.”

The Holy Trinity of New Orleans Cuisine

1:10:45 to 1:11:43

A detailed explanation of the foundational ingredients in New Orleans cooking.

“That's how you make your root That's how you put all of them ingredients together to make chef's kiss.”

Discussion on NBA Players and Strategies

1:15:55 to 1:22:02

The hosts debate the performance and strategies of current NBA players, including Wimby and Lou Dort.

“I think the thing is, I probably would like New Orleans cuisine a lot more if I could eat seafood.”

Fan Interaction and Birthday Shoutouts

1:22:05 to 1:24:00

The hosts engage with fans, including a special birthday shoutout to a listener's son.

“He wanted to float around the perimeter and not get in the paint to score.”

Birthday Wishes and Family Plans

1:24:00 to 1:25:53

The hosts celebrate a listener's son's birthday and discuss family trips.

“One about who's going to have a voice with Unk.”

Basketball Strategy Insights

1:25:53 to 1:28:30

The conversation shifts to basketball strategies and player movements.

“I tell you, y 'all look too advanced for me.”

Wemby's Performance and Team Tactics

1:28:30 to 1:30:41

Discussion on Wemby’s game performance and opposing team tactics.

“You know, I can't - You see, and that's the problem.”

Top Five Teammates Discussion

1:30:41 to 1:35:51

The hosts share their top five teammates throughout their careers.

“They, you know, maybe didn't realize he was going to be that active.”

Light-hearted Banter and Challenges

1:35:51 to 1:38:00

The hosts engage in playful banter and challenge each other's skills.

“layup dog yeah you didn't miss Ocho Ocho Madrid isn't very good so that's not saying much Ocho Frico Ocho needs to chill Ocho can't hoop O.K.C.”

Media's Role in Athlete Retirement

1:38:00 to 1:40:00

Discussion on the media's responsibility in suggesting when athletes should retire.

“Well, I'm going to push him out of the wheelchair.”

Hypothetical Bar Fight: Legends Face Off

1:40:00 to 1:42:59

A playful debate about the outcomes of a hypothetical bar fight among sports legends.

“Jon Jones, Mike Tyson, and Brock Lesnar.”

Legacy of Super Bowl MVP Decisions

1:42:59 to 1:44:59

A conversation about past Super Bowl MVP choices and the impact of notable players.

“but if you got Jay McDaniels and Ant-Man, you know them two, they can guard.”

OKC Thunder's Playoff Journey

1:44:59 to 1:46:46

Recap of the OKC Thunder's recent game and playoff performance.

“Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap.”
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3:23Shannon Sharpe:Joe Mazzulla was named 2025-2026 Coach of the Year. Wow. Mazzulla led the Celtics to a 56-26 record in what most people consider an impossible situation, keeping the franchise afloat, considering Jason Tatum spent the majority of the season recovering from an Achilles injury. Joe Mazzula beat our J.B. Bickerstaff from the Pistons and Mitch Johnson from the Spurs. Joe, Ocho, did they get it right?

3:48Chad Johnson:Yeah, I would say so. Considering that, you know, you got your best player, one of your best players down in Jason Tatum, a guy who obviously you play through. He controls a lot of what you do. And to be able to adjust that and put a lot of that on Jalen Brown's back, man I thought it was great they was plug and play they had a lot of guys play above and beyond themselves throughout this whole entire season obviously just came short of the goals oh Joe did get it right absolutely I think they did get it right especially based on the circumstances with Jason Tatum going down the previous season going to the season no one really gave the Boston Shows a good chance they never gave them a chance at all and what Jalen Brown was able to do for them, keeping their head above water, steering that goddamn ship, and being second, coming out to East, you've got to give it to the coach.

4:44Even though I think it's more so the players as opposed to it being the coach itself, he still gets rewarded for what the players did on the court.

4:53Shannon Sharpe:I agree. I think if you take, I don't know, you could say Castle, the second best player from, San Antonio, you take whoever the second best player is. During the regular season, I guess it was Jalen Durant. I mean, clearly he wasn't the second best player in the postseason. And to get a 56-26 record? Yeah. Nah. Because he's not just – Jason Tatum was a three-time or three - or four-time first-team All-NBA selection.

5:26Chad Johnson:Yeah.

5:26Shannon Sharpe:He's been on two Olympic teams. He was a Larry Bird Eastern Conference player of the MVP. So he's just not a guy. And you're taking 30 points, six, seven rebounds, five, six assists. You're taking that away. And somehow you still managed to go 56 and 26. Yeah. I definitely think they got it right. And that's not to take away from those other guys because I think J.B. Biggerstaff getting that team to the number one seed is a huge accomplishment. I think Mitch Johnson getting the Spurs to 62 wins, I think that's a huge accomplishment. But for the most part, they had all their pieces.

6:10Chad Johnson:Yeah.

6:12Shannon Sharpe:And for you to lose that piece, and considering what they let go, because remember, Joe, this was both, hey, hey, Prazingis gone, Al Horford gone. Holiday. All these guys are gone. Holiday gone. Yeah. and somehow you still able to do this, yeah, they definitely got it right. Yeah. I don't know how close it was, but it probably shouldn't have been that close.

6:32Chad Johnson:Yeah. And look, JB, Jalen Brown was great all season, but those other guys around him, they played great throughout the season, bro. They had different guys step up in different times, and I thought it helped keep them at the top of the East. It did. Joe Mazzula, 2025 coach of the year.

6:57Shannon Sharpe:Well, well deserved. LeBron James is reportedly not willing to take a pay cut to return to the Cavs per Brian Windhorse. Another report says Jared Allen might be sent to the Lakers if LeBron James joined the Cavaliers. A sign in trade for LeBron would undoubtedly involve Jared Allen's$28 million whom the Lakers have targeted previously in trade rumors. Joe?

7:23Shannon Sharpe:what's the best case scenario? Is LeBron going back? Look, he doesn't want to play. He doesn't want to take bet minimum. I don't know how much he can get from the Lakers, especially if they re-sign Austin Reeves. I don't know. But they still have a lot of other issues. Rui, DeAndre Ayton has a player option. Hope he opt out of it. You got Marcus Smart. He's on a player option. Luke Kennard is unrestricted. So you have some other things that you need to get straightened out, ironed out. But obviously LeBron is an unrestricted free agent. And there have been reports that he might go back to Cleveland, you know, to finish up where it all started.

8:11Shannon Sharpe:What do you think is going to happen, Joe?

8:15Chad Johnson:I don't think Bron enjoyed being third fiddle. If y 'all want me to keep it 100. I don't think he enjoyed that. I don't really know if he even really want to go back to the Lakers, to be quite honest. I don't think he would mind going home, going back to Cleveland, and sending Jared Allen to the Lakers. I think that would probably make sense because now Luka got a big with him

8:40Shannon Sharpe:because Luka needs a lob threat, a defensive big, somebody who can help.

8:47Chad Johnson:But to me, it just don't seem like Bron is going back to the Lakers, bro. It's pointing to, you know, a different direction, if you ask me, for whatever reason. Now, I know the Lakers got some guys they got to resign, and maybe LeBron is just putting pressure on them. Maybe, you know, maybe he want these type of rumors to get out so the Lakers can really make some moves and make it appeasing for them to come back.

9:12Shannon Sharpe:I definitely think he's going to have to make a decision sooner rather than later. He's like, well, I haven't gone on my vacation, taking my family vacation. but I don't think this is like in years past. The Lakers are not waiting on the 23, a guy that's going into year 24. They're not waiting on him to make their decisions. And I think the hardest thing for people to understand, the way you see yourself as you start to age, people don't see you that same way. Right. Even if they don't, right? Everything is based off statistics. Everything is based off numbers. Especially when it comes to those that are in positions, you know, to say, you know, Well, based on what he was able to do for us last year, even being the third option when Reeve was out, when Luke was out.

9:54Yeah, he's earned the right based on what he's done to be able to take his time and make his decision. Because if we do let LeBron go, are we bringing someone in that makes us better? Even if we do have a healthy Luke, even if we do have a healthy Austin Reeves, we still need that third figure. And let's say LeBron doesn't like being third fiddle. He showed that he can adapt. He's sure that he's versatile enough to be able to, you know what, I'm going to be the third option. I'm going to pick and choose when to insert myself in the games at times. I don't have to be selfish. I'm a little older.

10:26I'm 41, 42, whatever it may be. Whatever it may be next year, he's going to be 42. I don't need to be the one with the ball all the time.

10:34Shannon Sharpe:No, he don't want to be the one with the ball all the time, but he don't want to be the third option either. No. He's never been third option. He was number two half a year before last when Luka first got there, and I think he was cool with that. I think deep down, and I don't know this to be certain, but I think deep down LeBron's like, Austin Reed's not better than me. Yeah. He doesn't believe Austin Reed's is better than he is. I don't believe – I don't think – it's hard for me to see a scenario that if you tell me LeBron James is going to be number two, that he wouldn't score 23, 24, 25 points a game, Joe Ocho, just like Austin Reeves did.

11:16Chad Johnson:Yeah.

11:18Shannon Sharpe:And he's going to give you more rebounds. And even at 41, at 41 years of age right now, LeBron James is a better defender than Luka and Austin Reeves. Tell me I'm not lying, Joe.

11:30Chad Johnson:Yeah, nah, you're right. And I think Bron really enjoys having the ball in his hands too, fellas, if I'm just keeping it real.

11:38Shannon Sharpe:He likes to be able to control the game. He sure does.

11:40Chad Johnson:Yeah, that's definitely how he controls the game with the ball in his hand, you know, kind of picking you apart, picking his spots when he wants to attack and be aggressive offensively. And I just think throughout the season, it was a tough adjustment for him until we got into the postseason when everybody was damn hurt. Now we need him to be that guy. So, yeah, I think he wants to be the guy who he was in the playoffs who's kind of dictating the game. Yeah.

12:14Shannon Sharpe:But, I mean, Chad, he's not. I guarantee y 'all just said that. I guarantee you, y 'all do not think in your heart of hearts that Austin Reeves or Luka Doncic are better defenders than LeBron at 41. I'm not talking about when he was in his 20s or even in his 30s. At no point in time in their career or in their career will they ever be the defender LeBron James was or is currently. At no point in time. You tell me a scenario where y 'all believe Luka Doncic and Austin Reef. Honestly, now, forget that y 'all dislike for LeBron and y 'all say all you do is hype LeBron up. Be honest with yourselves.

12:57Shannon Sharpe:Tell me a situation that y 'all have seen with your own two eyes. Y 'all watch Luka. Luka's been in the league eight, nine years. Austin Reed's been in the league four years. Tell me the time that y 'all seen him say, okay, you know what? Luka's a better defender than LeBron. Austin Reed's a better defender than LeBron. I'll wait. Tell me the time and be honest.

13:18Shannon Sharpe:You can't. Put the foolishness aside. I get it. I get it. I understand the dislike for LeBron James run deep. I get it. I've seen it in some politicians the dislike runs deep but you gotta be honest sometimes you just gotta say you know what you're right he's not the player that he once was but he's still a better defender than those two guys yeah and that's and guess what at 41 to say he's a better defender that ain't I don't know I'm not so sure that's saying much Coach Ojo when you really look at it That says more about them than him. Because clearly he's not the same defender that he once was.

14:03Right, right.

14:04Chad Johnson:Hey, listen. And then you got to think about, he already said he thought that they didn't have enough talent to beat OKC. They didn't. Yeah, yeah, they didn't. But think about it. Him coming back to the Lakers, knowing that their West is a gauntlet the way it is. I mean, I think at this point. Where it going to go, Joe? Huh? Where it going to go? Well, I'm saying if he go East, he can control it. You know, he'll be top three, four team in the Eastern Conference battling trying to come out the East versus wrestling in this jungle out here in the West. Hey, it's a doggy dog world out here, boy. Joe.

14:43Chad Johnson:I know where he could go. Where? Right there with the Statue of Liberty yet. Well, they ain't going to do it. They in the finals, Ochoa, and let's just say. okay let's just say they fuck around and win it yeah they're not breaking up their team yeah they

15:02Shannon Sharpe:ain't to be honest joe i think lebron making 50 million is is is really really high up on the list as opposed to teams who gonna give him close to the number that he made this year he doesn't see that he's dropping off he's like okay yeah i was the third option y 'all see i took a back seat yeah I believe if you make me a one or two option, I can still give you 24, 25 points a game. I can still give you six or seven assists. Look at the situation. I was the second leading score in the OKC. Shea averaged a point more per game than I did, but I led in assists and rebounds. He believes that in a situation where he's the first or second option, He still can put up numbers that he put up the previous 20 years.

15:52The only thing I'm saying, and I've said this before,

15:55Shannon Sharpe:as we start to age, the impact that we had on the game is not the same, Joe. Them 25-7-7 that LeBron gets, they don't impact the game like they once did. Kevin Durant scoring 28-30, they don't impact the game like they once did. Steph scoring 30, they don't impact the game. And it happens. And I think that is the biggest difference as a player no matter the sport is that when we start to age Is that the impact that we had on the game? Man LeBron get a triple-double that damn it was unbeatable with LeBron got a triple-double.

16:35Chad Johnson:Yeah

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16:36Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I think you think as smart as LeBron is as savvy as a Basketball player that he is he understands now that I'm now that I've aged being the third or second option is probably better for me? No. No. No. That thought never crossed his mind.

17:00Chad Johnson:Because I don't think he feels there's somebody out there who's a better decision maker, playmaker, like all around player. He feels he's the best guy still who can do everything on the court. Yep. I mean he's shown that especially when everybody got hurt. He's shown he can do that. Yep. But are teams willing to see him in the same eyes and lens that he does? Yeah.

17:30Shannon Sharpe:But the teams aren't very good. He's LeBron James. He's going to sell tickets. Just like when Michael Jordan was on the Wizards. They weren't very good but they sold out. He was Michael Jordan. I want to see Michael Jordan.

17:50Shannon Sharpe:a guy told a story that he took his daughter to see he went to the funeral Babe Ruth and they say well why are you taking your daughter to the funeral she doesn't even know who Babe Ruth is but I can tell her one day she saw Babe Ruth

18:06he's still LeBron James yeah is he the same no but but his same lebron's lebron not being the same even at 41 yes he's still better than half the league depending on it is yeah we ain't just talking about no anybody yeah but

18:31Shannon Sharpe:lebron was so good that it didn't take much for you to put around him and he could win a game yeah But the league has gotten so much better, Joe. Better. Oh, Joe and Joe. And Joe, you know this. Those days are long, long gone. Yeah. Long, long gone. If you look at the teams that had deep playoff runs, they all have benches. Yep. And he can't play 42, 43 minutes anymore because the body doesn't have time to recover.

19:10Shannon Sharpe:it's just facts it's just life so the thing is he's gonna have to weigh is how much okay what's him what what is the number one thing that he's what's the most important thing to me is it location is it fit is it money what is it those are the questions that he got to ask himself joe i think it's a combination of all

19:38Chad Johnson:though okay i i don't think it's just one thing i think it's a combination like he want his worth money wise yeah i don't think he really he ain't into taking no damn cuts he ain't i don't think

19:48Shannon Sharpe:he gonna be in another day i'm just keeping it yes but joe 50 who got a year or two years for 50

19:55Chad Johnson:for 100 million well i don't know we got to look it up i don't know somebody got it here it'll take for one team. I think the combination is obviously the money has to be right because first, he's a basketball player, but he's also a businessman. He's a businessman first, so it has to make sense. It got to make sense, but then the fit. The fit, it has to be the right situation. Are you going back into a situation that puts you right back in the same boat you just left? Are you trying to win? Are you trying to win? So that comes into play as well. Are you still chasing another championship? yeah that's the case you might not be able to get 50 million and go somewhere else where a team is already constructed where you could where they can add you to the piece and you'd like the missing piece to the puzzle to give them a chance to go there and that that also might be if you're that missing piece you might have to do the same role you did last year in being the third option so it's so many variables coming to play you know it does he want to win another championship or have a chance at it or do you want to make 50 million and say look I'm in control of everything because I'm still one of the better players in the league even at 42 I think he definitely won another title

21:09Shannon Sharpe:for sure absolutely and I think deep down he believes he can win another title in the right situation there you go

21:16Chad Johnson:he's not going to go to no team that he don't think can win it nah nah you meaning like he ain't going to go just sign with the Chicago Bulls No, no, no. It's going to have to make some sense.

21:31Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I agree with you, Joe. I don't see a situation like that. No.

21:42But look, I know he says he ain't gone on vacation,

21:45Shannon Sharpe:but LeBron has thought about this. The moment they did not extend that and he had to pick up that option, he started thinking about what was next.

21:54Chad Johnson:Yep. What was possible?

21:59Shannon Sharpe:nobody plans to fail. They just fail to plan. LeBron James is a planner. He's planned out every step of his life since he was 16. So now we get into a situation like this where he – and now all of a sudden, Joe, he just stopped planning. He's just like, you know what? I'm just going to throw caution to the wind. Whatever happens, happens. Does that strike you as LeBron James? A guy that leaves it to chance? I don't know and the funny thing about it too if you talk about LeBron being a guy that always plans and I think he's always two steps ahead of everybody else hell three steps ahead of everybody else but he knows what he gonna do we just don't know we're all in limbo like always before he did the

22:47Chad Johnson:decision that was already in place he already knew what he was gonna do ahead of time

22:53Shannon Sharpe:well He just knew he wasn't going back to Cleveland because they weren't going to get anybody. Now, he looked Chicago and I think the Knicks and the Heat. But when it came down to it, like D-Wade wasn't leaving Miami. Carmelo, it was supposed to be Carmelo, D-Wade, and LeBron. But Carmelo took that extra year and took the max money. Carmelo took the money.

23:20Chad Johnson:I don't blame him.

23:21Shannon Sharpe:LeBron and Bosch took less money in order to play together. Originally it wasn't supposed to be Bosch. It was supposed to be Melo, Bron and Wade.

23:33Chad Johnson:What that would have looked like. With Melo, Bron and Wade, I just think Bosch fit so well because he understood his role and he played it to the T. You know what I mean? Like with Melo there, cause he's so, he's such a prolific scorer. Yep. I just think things would have been a little different.

23:55Shannon Sharpe:I do too. I think it's a perfect situation. What happened, Chris Bosh, very unselfish. Kevin Love was a 24-13 guy before he got to Cleveland.

24:06Chad Johnson:Nasty.

24:07Shannon Sharpe:Kevin Love was 24-13. Kevin Love was at Utah, right? Or am I tripping? Minnesota. Minnesota. He could shoot the three like a shooter. Yes. Straight off that thing, boy. Rebounding. Then they turned that man into a 15-8 guy. Chris Bosh was 20-10. Yeah. It's not everybody can't everybody can't and everybody isn't willing. Aren't willing to sacrifice that much of their game, Joe, in order to win. Yeah.

24:46Chad Johnson:You got to really want to win, but to sacrifice that much. Because, you know, I think with Bosh, yeah, he was like 22 and 10 a night in Toronto, bro. And he left that to go play with them, obviously, with a chance to win multiple championships. That was a great move for Bosh. Yes. Great move. Hey, Unc. Yeah. I like what Joe just said. You talk about sacrifice. and as much as you and you and joe believe that lebron wants to be in charge you know maybe not the first option but at least the second option yes having the sacrifice to win another championship i have to go somewhere where the pecking order where i understand the pecking order even on lebron james and have to put my ego and check.

25:37There is one if I want another shot at it. Going out on top the right way, if this is going to be my last season, sometimes being the third option might be the best fit for you. As opposed to saying I'm LeBron James, I want to go somewhere while I'm still that guy and I can run the show.

25:55Shannon Sharpe:But the question is could you have gone to New England in year 5 or 6 and did what you did in year 11? nah hell nah what the hell but hey I was still young I was still in my prime I was still hungry LeBron is on the back end but see here's the difference he should be able to adapt to the situation based on his age did you believe you were still that same receiver in year 10, 11 that you were in year 5 or 6 oh hell nah I lost it a little LeBron still believes he can still get it done doesn't he Joe

26:29Chad Johnson:yeah yeah he still thinks he better than 95 97 % of the guys in the league. He does. Hey, Uncle Joe, and listen, I can be honest with you. I can see him sometime, Uncle Joe, there's certain things that they should do, and a dude was three, four yards behind me. Boy, I got about year nine and ten, and dudes in my hip pocket? Yeah. Hey, Joe, my open was three, four yards of separation, and this is open in the NFL. This is open. I always create enormous amounts of separation would look stupid. And I got about year nine and 10. I'm like, why is he this close? You're absolutely right. Hey, Joe, my moves wasn't working, Joe.

27:12Chad Johnson:Yeah. My bread and butter move, Joe. Hey, Ocho, I know, brother. I know. Look, look, look. That damn crossover just ain't crossing over like it used to. You know what I mean? For real. Joe, you crossing over and dribbling off your foot, going out about like Ocho, huh? That ain't don't hit the same no more. What? What? Hey, I'm glad you know it. It's the same, huh?

27:34Shannon Sharpe:It get tough, man. I mean, you get it like, damn. Man, how you, hey, Ocho, I ran around. Ocho, I ran around. Dude was so close. If he'd have been any closer, he'd have been in front of me. What the hell did you get there? The hell? Joe, I had my best songs. Hey. Man, I looked and I said, hold on. I'm like, hold on.

28:01ayo hey it hurts ain't nothing you can do about it either joe no about it and matter of fact and i i didn't i had pride too right i had pride i didn't want to go to marvin i didn't want to go to coach burkowski and say listen i'm really i'm really i'm not the same i'm not the same i really can't tell you what it is but i'm watching film and some of the things i was able to get away with the first, what, year three to maybe eight? Yeah. I'm going to need your help. I'm still going to say that. I need your help. Condensement splits, whatever you got to do. It just, man, that was a tough pill to swallow.

28:42Tough pill to swallow, bro.

28:44Shannon Sharpe:Because you know what it is, Ocho? The thing is, look, I could still have a game or two, Joe. Because you got to realize, I set the record in year 13. the most receiving yards for a tight end was in year 13. So I could still have a game or two here and there. I just couldn't run it. I used to go get 137, 157, 168, 140, 80, 90, 70. Man, I'd get you 105, throw a couple of 30s in there, get you a 75, then I'm going to shoot you a 110, then I'm going to get you a couple of 20s and 10s. it just got harder and harder. And I'm like, damn. It is what it is. I'm going to give everything I can, but hey, the moves, I mean, I go a game and I might get covered one time.

29:35Shannon Sharpe:Now all of a sudden I'm going to feel like, damn, man, why he threw the ball? Yeah, I'm so glad he didn't threw that one. That might have been going the other way if he threw that ball. it's so crazy too joe where it was such a it was such a wake-up call you gotta just to think about this to show you how crazy i was and how confident i was in my game joe at the beginning of the season right i looked at the schedule everybody we're playing so i took the dbs that were on each team that we're playing i put each db their first there's their starter and the one on the other side and I put them all on a laminated sheet.

30:13Chad Johnson:Okay. Beginning of the season and I put it in my locker. And at the top of it said, who covered Ocho in 2005, matter of fact, that was the year. And I put everybody on notice. None of y 'all going to be able to stop me. Joe just at the beginning of the season, I'm talking trash. Well, I got these dudes' names in my locker and I'm telling you not going to be able to stop me. Joe, you know how hard it was to go out there and already, I didn't put the pressure on myself already, Joe. Right. About to go out there and watch everybody. Joe, everybody got that work in 2005, Joe. Everybody. Everybody.

30:50And then I talked trash through the media leading up to the game during the week. Well, I got about, it got about 2009 to 2010. They talk about bring T.O. in. Hell yeah, bring him in. I knew I wasn't the same.

31:03Chad Johnson:Right. I knew I wasn't the same. That's why I stood on the table. Marvin, Mike Brown, man, listen, man, please, whatever you do, one of my favorite receivers. I have no problem taking a backseat because I can see watching film, I ain't the same. Yeah, yeah.

31:19Shannon Sharpe:It's hard, man.

31:20Chad Johnson:It is, bro.

31:22Shannon Sharpe:But even though I wasn't the same and Rod had ascended, in my eyes, I still was the second best receiver. Yeah.

31:29Chad Johnson:Right.

31:30Shannon Sharpe:Even though Rod had ascended, I ain't got no problem with that. But I'm like, hold on, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm like, Bron, I ain't the third best. I might not be first, but I damn sure ain't third or fourth. But the thing is, though, Ocho and Joe, you know this. All they do is they look at you. They ain't comparing you against other receivers. Joe, they're not comparing you against other twos. They compare you, Joe, when you was 27.

31:58Chad Johnson:Yeah.

31:58Shannon Sharpe:When you was 30. Ocho, they're comparing you in year three, year four. Woo. They would let you, hey, when you're running off pro first, you know, he started in the Pro Bowl, started in the Pro Bowl, started in the Pro Bowl, first team all pro, first team all pro, first team all pro, first team all pro. That's what they compare you to. Yeah. And still, even though the guys, I wasn't the same, I was still better. I still, in my estimation, you go back and look at the year I retired, they still wasn't five tight ends better than I was.

32:32Chad Johnson:Right.

32:33Shannon Sharpe:I'm not so sure they were damn three. Right. the only one I can say hands down that was better than I was was Gonzo he's the only one I can say hands down was better than I was when I retired go look at the numbers

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36:06Shannon Sharpe:So, Joe, what's worse, getting dumped on or getting crossed over on a jump or hit on you? Ew.

36:14Chad Johnson:Getting crossed up and somebody hitting a jump on you is tough. See, because it's like Rudy Gobert. Like, if he get dunked on, he a shot blocker. So it ain't, you know what I mean? It ain't really like that. But if somebody cross you up and make you fall and make the shot, yeah.

36:32Shannon Sharpe:I think that's worse. Joe, what about what Castle did to Hartenstein?

36:36Chad Johnson:Ooh!

36:40Chad Johnson:That was just wrong. But Ant-Man got some more. Ant-Man got some. Exactly. Ant-Man got that dude from Toronto. Uh, uh, uh. Nah, he got. Watanabe? What's the dude who was here in Atlanta? But he for the Clippers now. He was playing in Utah. Oh, John Collins. Well, hey, that one? That man got some. He got, hey, them bad.

37:08Shannon Sharpe:Them bad, I don't know, Joe. I ain't trying to get on no poster. Man, look how many posters Joe and God got hanging up. He done got Mutombo. He done got Patrick Ewing. man he dunked on somebody in Utah. And a crowd, and a fan, he's talking about pick on somebody your own size. He came down and dunked on Melvin Turpin. He's like, he big enough? They used to call him the trimmer. He's 6 '11". He dunked on him, and like, he big enough? Yeah, yeah. I don't want either. But boy, look here. Joe, that dunk, man, it's something about getting,

37:45Chad Johnson:I guess it depends on who's the dunk because you look at Vince Carter he got so many bodies he got some

37:51Shannon Sharpe:when he called Lonzo Morni

37:54Chad Johnson:he called he called Zo like this yeah in Miami yeah he called that was nasty I think it's more embarrassing to have somebody cross you over and the person fall and you hit it and you hit that mini most of the time it's always a mid-range shot to it Yeah. Get you and pop pop and you fall back. Or you step on a foot and because you step on a foot, you go falling back and they pull up and hit it. I think that's way more embarrassing. Hey, that's how I'm gonna do your ass. When I hit you with this crossover. Cause I know you think you got this piece. You hit with the killer crossover, Joe. Hey, see, you were doing just fine.

38:36Chad Johnson:And here you go, you going, you - I just keep it at 100. I just, I seen it. I'm just keeping it at 100.

38:41Shannon Sharpe:Okay. Yeah. I mean, you know, Dominique kept somebody on his post. Dominique was dunking on people like he was dunking in the dunk contest. Double pumping, between the legs.

38:54Chad Johnson:I think Dominique probably, not probably, but he definitely one of the best dunker, but power dunkers. Yeah, I was gonna say that.

39:02Shannon Sharpe:Oh yeah, he was a power dunker. Because he was a two feet, Joe, he was a two foot dunker. You know guys that dunk with two feet, they generate a lot of power.

39:11Chad Johnson:Hey, that boy.

39:13Shannon Sharpe:Sean Kemp. Remember Sean Kemp got Chris Gatlin and when he dunked on him, he like.

39:21Hey, hey man.

39:23Chad Johnson:You talking about them doulas, they had problems with the rim. You hear me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They had appointments that needed to be made. Yeah. And as small as he is, Westbrook was a power dunker too. Yeah, he was, he was.

39:36Shannon Sharpe:But I don't know who he was angry at. What's he calling? D-Rose. D-Rose jump off two feet. Guys that jump off two feet, they get to that launch point? Okay. Rap. D-Rose. He's so springy to be so little. Who? D-Rose. He was springy, bouncy.

39:55Chad Johnson:Ocho, he made it look effortless, bro. Yes. When he exploded and he wanted to jump, look, it ain't even necessarily the dunks for me. It's like I look at guys, especially guards, how they shoot their floaters. Like D. Rose probably had one of the best floaters, bro. I'm saying because he knew how to use his strength and power and his athleticism along with his finesse. Like he had great touch as well. Hey, that boy, that was special.

40:22Shannon Sharpe:Nice. Yeah. I mean, hey, W.A., you know, Doc was a one-foot dunker.

40:29Chad Johnson:Yeah.

40:29Shannon Sharpe:Dr. J. Yeah, yeah. when he rocked the baby on Michael Cooper and brought that thing back.

40:36Chad Johnson:Yeah.

40:38Shannon Sharpe:Hey, Magic was telling a story like when he took off, cause that was on Magic now, when he took off on one side and went up under and did and looped it. Magic said he was just looking like, man, is he ever gonna come down?

40:59Shannon Sharpe:But yeah, man, hey. And now these guys, these guys crossing guys. How many guys Steph Curry done crossed though? See, Steph, I think it'd be worse because Steph because Steph crossing you up, shooting it, and turning it and running down court. He ain't even looking at it. Before he even go in. Yeah, he ain't even looking at the ball. Like, hold on, man. What you doing?

41:20Chad Johnson:And he's such a great shooter. that you have to honor everything he does. It doesn't matter. Whatever type of dribble move, you got to honor it because, hell, you know if he get an inch, it's cash. Oh, he pulling it.

41:34Shannon Sharpe:He pulling it.

41:39Shannon Sharpe:Victor, ooh, Victor Wimanyamas. He had a one-on-one Panani's Prism Black Parallel card, sold for$5.11 million in a private sales, via Fanix Collects. Wait, always. The card is the most expensive known of a non-autographed NBA card, and the third card sold for$5 million in 2026. The complete list of cards that have sold for over$5 million. Michael Jordan has the highest to date, or he and Kobe, 12 million, 12.93 million. Damn. Kobe also has a 12.93 million card. Mickey Mantle, 12.6. LeBron James, 10 million. Honus Wagner, 7.25. Babe Ruth, 7.2. Aaron Judge, 5.2. And Victor Wimiyama, 5.1. Hey, how is this card so valuable so early?

42:39Shannon Sharpe:Because he's so good so early. And guess what? They say it's only going to get better.

42:44Chad Johnson:Hey, hey. Y 'all ain't used to collect cards, man?

42:47Shannon Sharpe:No. With what?

42:50Chad Johnson:In order to collect cards, you gotta collect money. Yeah. Hold on, hold on, hold on. When I was in, I think, I wanna say early high school years, like 10th grade, I used to have a binder full of cards. I gotta get my binder, man. I got some stuff in there that's worth something. I got a couple of Kobe's and Penny Hardaway's and Jordan's in there, Iverson's. Hey, I used to collect cards, Joe, right?

43:17Shannon Sharpe:But I'll be, I don't know. As they send it to her, she'll go through it. As collect cards. But she don't know how to hold on to them because as soon as she get them, she turn them over and they'd be worth triple in two days. Hey, Joe, the cards you used to open, did it have the bubble gum in the back of the pack?

43:35Chad Johnson:Nah, nah, nah. This wasn't the bubble gum. I think the baseball cards they used to collect. Baseball. Yeah, they used to have a little bubble gum in the pack at the time.

43:45Shannon Sharpe:Well, the Hornets Wagner card, it came in the back of a cigarette. It came in the back of cigarettes. Real? Yeah, the Hornets Wagner card, most people threw it away. They didn't realize what it was. And that's what a lot of things, don't you? You don't realize how – think about all the old school cards. Cars, excuse me, the Camaros and the Cooters and all that. People didn't know. How valuable they would be today? Nope.

44:09Chad Johnson:Hey, y 'all tripping though.

44:10Shannon Sharpe:Had a Camaro, had a Nova, had the Chevelle, had a three six, Raleigh Blue with the red. Yeah, had all that, had a Nova. Yeah,

44:27Chad Johnson:I'm probably sitting on about 10 million over here, man, all these cars I got. Yeah, hey, what them cars there, Joe? I got them, I got them put up. I got them put up behind that. I mean, exactly Widow. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, turbo, hold on, slow down now. Slow down now.

44:45Shannon Sharpe:You coming to get a mocho? Snatch all that right up off of you.

44:48Chad Johnson:Yeah, I'm probably sitting on about 10, 12 million. I got these Kobe's and AI's and Jordan's and many hard away, these rookie cards, man. Well, you got a Jordan rookie? Come on, man, come on. Hey, let me get that so I can have him sign it. Nah, I got a sign, that's what I'm trying to tell you.

45:07Shannon Sharpe:Well, you have to probably go, you have to go get them graded. Hey, Joe, let me get that rookie card, Joe. And see if they're eight or nine or 10. Yeah.

45:18Chad Johnson:No, that'd be like me handing you$7 million. That's the point. If you're going to hand it to me, I'm going to take it. Which one you got? Let me see you take it with your tough ass. Come over here and take it. You come over here with your tough ass and take it. Come on.

45:31Shannon Sharpe:Take that. Come on. Come on. Just tell me where they at. Just come to the house. He'll tell you in your ear where they are. Right. I don't want to have to go looking for it. I just want him to tell me exactly where it is. I'm going to have him out and open.

45:45Chad Johnson:I'm going to have him sitting on the kitchen island. That's where I'm going to have him. OK. Yeah. Make sure your dog free, too. OK, I will. I will. I will. I got you. It ain't going to be two ass woman. Your ass woman and the dog.

46:01Shannon Sharpe:Man, these cars getting. Cards. I went to a dinner one night at Michael Rubin's house and they had a bunch of collectors and they was talking about man this guy had just paid 8 million dollars for a jersey I think it was a jersey or a pair of shoes and everybody was talking about it had to be game worn damn that was me had to be game worn who was it remember the player It was Jordan. It was a Jordan jersey. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Damn. Game worn and signed, huh? I think so. I could imagine.

46:44Chad Johnson:Yeah, man. I got a little collection over here. I'll show y 'all some things one day. I'll just, you know.

46:51Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Show it to us. And it went for what? Yeah. Yeah. Yep. All right, it's time for our final segment of evening.

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51:33Shannon Sharpe:It's time for Q and A. Hey, send me one of them cards, Joe. I got you, bro.

51:42Shannon Sharpe:Get out to my kid. Before we get to our Super Chat, we've got four video voicemails from our Discord. Let's take a listen. What up, Unk? What up, Ux? What up, King Iso? Hey, we at work with it. Y 'all be having us cry every day at work. But do y 'all have a favorite pair of retros, as in Jordans? Let me know.

52:09Chad Johnson:Yeah, I got a favorite pair. So back in 2000, 2006, when I joined Jordan brand, they came out with the Jordan 5 retros. And back then, we used to, you know, if you was a Jordan athlete, you used to get about two, three pairs of different retros. You could almost damn near pick. Like, it was super sweet back then. They didn't cut back a lot nowadays. They don't really have retros like that. But anyway, they came in with the Jordan 5 retro, so I had them in all the Hawks colors. I had some red ones. I had some funky colors, bro. And the Jordan 5 for me was always my favorite. That's my favorite Jordan.

52:56Chad Johnson:So for me to have it as a P.E., like still to this day, I still keep me a clean, fresh pair of 5s, bro. I like the Jordan 5, preferably the black ones with the gray on the side. Yeah. with their metallic gray tongue, they ain't nasty.

53:15Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, you're not in the shoe game, are you? Nah, man. That's one thing I never really got into. For me, I don't wear Jordans often, but when I did love them, it was the basic colors of the Jordan Wands. And I used to hoop them. People used to make fun of me, talk about, why you out here hooping in Jordan Wands? I know they hurt your feet. And I never could understand it because it just, I hate my foot being constricted. I want to feel the floor. I want to feel the court. And I just enjoyed it. I remember I played in a celebrity game with Gilly in Philly. Brother, brotherly something. I forgot the name of it.

53:54And hey, Joe, I wore a pair of Chuck Taylors. I wore a pair of black high top Chuck Taylors. And I was able to play, you know, you ain't got no tape. I was like, nah, I like to feel the floor. It's weird. I don't know why I'm like that. I don't never sprain my ankle or nothing. Yeah, oh my God.

54:12Shannon Sharpe:I mean, I got, ooh. I think for me, what changed it that really took it to another level was the Concord. When he came out with that Concord. Yeah. What's that? And then he came out with them reds. Yeah. And then he came out with the cool grays. It was a wrap.

54:30Chad Johnson:Them pad leather joints, Ocho.

54:33Shannon Sharpe:With the red bottom.

54:35Chad Johnson:Yes.

54:36Shannon Sharpe:The black patent leather, the Concord with the black had the white and the black. That was the first one that he came out with. Then he came out with the breads. And then he came out with the cool. He was a rat.

54:47Chad Johnson:Hey, when he came out with them Concords, I remember like it was yesterday, but I was in high school.

54:53Shannon Sharpe:I got somebody original. I got somebody when they first came out, you know, they done retro, they done retro the cool. They done retro everything. I still got some of the original seamen.

55:03Chad Johnson:Do you really?

55:04Shannon Sharpe:I do. I don't know, you might put them on, you might take a step and then disintegrate. This thing gonna fall apart. Yeah. I've had something to do that, Joe. Yeah, I have too. I wore them to work. Man, I got it there. Man, I look like Fred Flintstone. I put my foot on the brake.

55:20Chad Johnson:Hey, hold on, hold on. Shoe came back through the bottom. Hey, because I used to have a real nice shoe collection. So I called myself trying to work out and practice some retro. Yeah. Something came all the way apart, man.

55:33Shannon Sharpe:All the way, they absolutely will. I mean, mine, and they were in a, but you gotta realize those shoes are, the seamen came out, what, 88?

55:43Chad Johnson:Yeah.

55:45Shannon Sharpe:So you're talking about a shoe down there 40 years old. Even though you put it up in a nice, cool area and all that stuff. Yeah, yeah. Shoes wasn't meant to be preserved unless you got the Dorothy or the Ruby slipper.

55:56Chad Johnson:Right, right, right.

55:58Shannon Sharpe:Other than that. But no, I'm trying to think. If I had a pair of Jordan, I don't really wear them that much now. I'm more of an Air Max guy.

56:06Chad Johnson:Yeah.

56:07Shannon Sharpe:I'm probably, probably the next year or so, I'm probably gonna get rid of all the retros, but I got the Miros, I got the, the duck, the PE's.

56:20Shannon Sharpe:I got, man, I got so much. I got the lasers, I got the Toros.

56:26Chad Johnson:Yeah, oh yeah. You got a nice little shoot.

56:29Shannon Sharpe:The gum bottoms, I got the Columbia's, the OG.

56:32Chad Johnson:And the thing is though, when you got a good collection like that, man, you got some dudes who pay top dollar to take that off your hand now.

56:41Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. It's worth something. I got basically, mine are like 12 and a half, 13.

56:46Chad Johnson:Yeah. Which is a good size. Yeah, yeah, they paying top dollar for that. Yeah.

56:51Shannon Sharpe:I'm more of an, well, I'm more of a croc guy. You be honest. You ain't had crocs.

56:59Chad Johnson:Hey, you want to let them feet breathe a little bit though.

57:02Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, the Air Force was. Now my feet done got bad, man. I just, I'm trying to go for comfort. You might well put them drawers away and switch the sketches. Hey, I might have to do that. Or what's them one, them hookahs. Yeah, I'm about to get them hookahs with them big old bottoms. Hey, I see everybody with them hookahs.

57:23Chad Johnson:Yeah, I'm about to get them, Joe, that's next. Man, hey, hookahs might give you a little sponsorship, man. Hey. Hey, hopey. Y 'all holla at my boy now. Holla at Unc now. Huh?

57:36Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. All right. Let's take a listen to the first one. Oh, that's the second one. The next second one. Excuse me.

57:42Chad Johnson:What's up, Unc? Ocho? Iso? Nightcap family? I want to tell y 'all what happened to me for the first time, man. I went to play ball with my boys. And when I got there, some teenage boy, like 17, 18, team wanted me to be on his team but he approached me with a um man i'm only 28 man that broke my heart i want to slam this man on his head man i want to be like brah i'm scared of getting old man i want to be like brah 47 ducking on niggas heads man i'm scared man i ain't even want to be on the man team no more man don't even pick me at this point but how was y 'all accepting getting older man that that's that's a fear of mine man i want to be me forever like i want to know i tell you you're gonna be all you hey hey don't i like i like getting older joe and huh i love it because the older you get the more experience and the more wisdom hey don't take no damn time off don't take no five ten years off without doing some type of fitness activity and then talking about I'm finna get back in shape.

58:54Chad Johnson:You gotta keep going. You can't know, you can never stop.

58:59Shannon Sharpe:Man, I ain't never heard the word unk until I got on Undisputed. Man, I put that stocking cap on and came out there with that black and mild and that liquor. Yeah. Man, I been unk ever since. Man, don't nobody, I don't nobody, I mean, don't nobody call me my name. Jordan and Ash, but I'm talking about like people,

59:25Chad Johnson:when I meet people, they be asking,

59:27Shannon Sharpe:hey, that's Unk? I don't know who to ask you. I'm like, well damn, you probably the counter gave it away. You just said no.

59:41Shannon Sharpe:But nah, hey bro, it ain't. I'm at the age, I was having this conversation with my sister about three days ago, I said Libby, cause she'll be, Libby will be 66 her birthday. Obviously I'll be 58 in a month, my brother turned 61 in April. I'm like Libby, we had the age where we used to say, call people old. I remember, man sit your old ass down.

1:00:19Shannon Sharpe:that's me now guys that's me hey look now your time will come we we never knew it would come so fast because we were once young and then sometimes you think about it now hey um you you what's on you 57 yeah i'll be 58 in june june 26th yeah but i'm 58 man and sometimes i sit back at the cigar bar got my cigar in my hand

1:00:43Chad Johnson:Hey, hey, hey, what's... Hey, where's time gone? Hey, hey. It go by so fast. It does go by fast. But what's worse, uncle old school. If somebody call you old school, old school. It ain't even bad at this point, Joe. I just accept it because it is what it is. Yeah. It is what it is. And half the people calling me uncle and calling me old school, hey, I'm old school, but how come I look younger than you? Yeah.

1:01:09Shannon Sharpe:I mean, you know, hey, I'll be thinking about it, man, what if I shave this off? You think - Don't shave it off. The women love the salt pepper, man. Don't do it, don't do it.

1:01:19Chad Johnson:Yeah, nah, don't shave it off, bro.

1:01:21Shannon Sharpe:Don't shave it off, Joe?

1:01:22Chad Johnson:Nah, nah, we gotta get, I'm wondering why Ocho running around here with this naked face. I got my face naked. Make me look 23, Joe.

1:01:32Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, okay. Make me look 23, boy. All right. I don't think you can grow nothing, Joe. I don't think so neither. He talking about you can grow it. I could grow it, it'd just be patchy. Dang. It don't grow full. That's why I would think about getting a lace front bib. Yeah, I could get a lace front. Hey, I don't know. Matter of fact, when we go on tour, yeah, I'm saying if we go on tour, I'm not sure what the plans we have. Matter of fact, when we do nightcap outside, I'm getting that Anderson. I'm getting that Anderson. Pack wig.

1:02:05Chad Johnson:I wish you would, boy. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, you getting the Ake Turner, huh? Yeah, there you go, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm gonna get money now. Especially if we go hunting, boy.

1:02:17Shannon Sharpe:Oh, no. We not gonna go hunting? Oh, man. Oh, Joe. Okay, I hunt with a boy. First of all, I gotta beat Joe. I gotta beat Joe fishing, cause Joe swear he can fish. I'm glad you said that. Joe. What's up? I went in Bass Pro Shops the other day. Yeah. Let me try that you fished in the pool. Huh? You fished in the pool? No, I asked, but you're not allowed to. It was nice. It was huge, too. And they, hold on, they got the fish, the kind of fish they got in there. They had a grouper, some catfish, some other names I don't know. What you was in there for? Because it's next door to the hotel. I'm like, I'm walking here.

1:03:02They got all the ATVs, clothes, boots, bows. They got... Yeah, I used to wear Cabela's. Hey, they got so many rods, huh? I mean, what's the difference in all the rods? I'm talking about they had a whole section, nothing but rods.

1:03:17Shannon Sharpe:Some of them for deep sea fishing. Some of them for, you know, shore fishing. Some bass, river, lake, pond. Yeah, it was crazy, man. I mean, they got everything. anything to do with outdoors they got it in there it was nice it was dope yeah so when you spin that

1:03:36Chad Johnson:thing out there oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah you gotta back that boat down yeah okay when you take off

1:03:49Chad Johnson:hey hey hey oh oh you better watch you better watch what you ask for now you barking up this tree talking about some fishing now i'm telling you oh yeah i ain't lied to y 'all yet everything ain't gotta tell y 'all, it gonna happen.

1:04:03Shannon Sharpe:Hey Joe, I'm telling you now, hey,

1:04:08Shannon Sharpe:I throw that rod now. Me, Vandale, hey, I'm the black Kevin Vandale. Man, come on, man. Four time Bassmaster.

1:04:17Chad Johnson:I need my gi-ba. It's me, KBD, Rick Klune. Chill, chill, chill.

1:04:24Shannon Sharpe:Actually, I got an autograph from Rick Klune. Hey, you know what? I'm finna start fishing.

1:04:30Chad Johnson:oh man we hey hey hey when it come to competing i don't even be you know i mean i already know

1:04:36Shannon Sharpe:i can't we can't take you fish you talk man to fish you scared of me hey listen hold on let me tell you something like for real for one i don't have patience right that's why i really don't like fishing that's why honestly i've never fished before but if y 'all take me fishing as long as i go with my headphones and don't nobody bother me i can smoke i'm good ain't nobody who the hell I'm not gonna bother you, I'm gonna be way away from you. To hell? I'm just saying, as long as you don't bother me. You wanna be on the shore or you wanna be on the boat? I'm gonna be on the boat. So you wanna be on the - Oh, matter of fact, hey.

1:05:05Shannon Sharpe:So what we fishing for? We fishing for Big Mouth Bass, we fishing for Bluegill, what we fishing for?

1:05:12Chad Johnson:I'm fishing for whatever biting here, I ain't lying to you. I ain't - Okay, so you going back country. You going back to Arkansas, okay. I'm throwing it out there.

1:05:22Shannon Sharpe:Damn, damn it. So we catch catfish, blue grill, crappy, wall mouth. Hey, you know what else is pretty dope that they had too, Uncle Joe? You know how people do shore fishing, right? Yeah. Standing in the water. Man, they got the whole suit with the boots already connected to the suit. Yeah, that's how you do. You step in it, yeah. Yeah, that was dope. I mean, it remind me of Dickey. So if you step in the water, it's up to your waist, Ocho, and the boots, the water gonna go in the boots if they're not already attached. Hey, hey. I'm not familiar with that stuff because it was all new to me, huh?

1:05:55Chad Johnson:Hey, if you fishing like that, boy, you something serious. You ain't playing. Yeah. You ain't playing. Yeah, they had a whole fish.

1:06:02Shannon Sharpe:I'm saying we can go noodling too. They got noodling all up in Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas. Are we going to go up in the Ozarks? With the catfish? I think all up in the Ozarks, man. So you got to stick your hand in the hole, Ocho, and pull him out. Yeah, wait till he bites you. Yeah, I know about that. Yeah. It might be a gator, it might be a water moccasin, but hey, when you get bit, you pull your head out. It might be an alligator snapping turtle. Hey, that's fine.

1:06:29Chad Johnson:I'ma have that hammer, I'ma have that hammer ready to hit him across his head once y 'all pull him out, cause I damn sure he put my hand in there. I'll tell y 'all that now. Well, how you gonna get him out, Joe? Huh? How you gonna get him out? I'm saying when y 'all snatch him out, I'ma hit him across my head. No, you gotta snatch your own,

1:06:44Shannon Sharpe:I ain't snatching no fish out for you. I'm catching my own. You gotta catch your own steel head Man, Joby tried to get over Here's our third one, let's take a listen

1:07:01What's going on, Nightcap fam? Hey, I'm the one that's sitting there in the Hall of Fame edition of LaPortier the other day, man It's definitely smooth Hey, you were right, I do got some spars, man Hey, all I'm gonna say is What was one of the funniest moments y 'all had in the locker room? Shout out to y 'all boys

1:07:24Chad Johnson:I gotta think One of the funniest moments It's so many man

1:07:32Shannon Sharpe:Oh my god This wasn't in the locker room, this was on the field We were stretching And I ain't gonna say the guy's name but uh so we were stretching and so they were asking it like man how much you pay your agent um you can play a three percent you play a five percent that means they handle everything they pay all your bills they get your taxes together so forth and so on so i like i play you know they uh uh i said uh i pay like three percent i said i let my sister pay my bills i feel that that little bit of money, that 2%, that add up. I pay my sister, give her something, and she can pay my bills.

1:08:12Shannon Sharpe:She can send in my rent, excuse me, my mortgage, my car pay, I ain't have no, well, like insurance and things like that. She could do that. Man, I said, well, how, do we ask, like, well, how much you pay? Man, my agent tried to get over on me. I said, what you mean? He said, man, he tried to charge me 50%. I just gave him half, though.

1:08:38Shannon Sharpe:that's exactly what i said ocho that's exactly what i said we were stretching we all got up and left oh damn he said aja tried to get over on him ocho he said he tried to take 50 he said i I ain't gave him nothing but half though. Damn.

1:09:00Shannon Sharpe:Man, some of these guys, I was like, how y 'all go to a major college? I didn't do good on the SAT. I'm listening to some of you guys talk. I'm like, how?

1:09:13How? Hey, hey Joe, you know, I may be a fool, but when it comes to that money before i play no games hopefully i don't play no games i'm dotting every i am crossing every t right i know what's coming out what's going out what's coming in for everything right you should damn most of the story involved uh you know

1:09:44Shannon Sharpe:we definitely have to we'd have to put that on patreon I'm gone. Just don't write the story that we got.

1:09:51Chad Johnson:I got the damn bad. Yeah, I got some story, but damn, I ain't, hey. Ooh.

1:09:59Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, a lot of the story, man, you know, people may or may not have changed. They may or may not be married. Right. They may, may not have kids or even grandkids. And so to bring them into a situation now, that's why a lot of times I don't even bring no names up.

1:10:15Chad Johnson:Right, you can't, bro, because you don't want to rough with no family.

1:10:17Shannon Sharpe:But they know who I'm talking about, and they know I'm telling the truth.

1:10:20Chad Johnson:Yeah.

1:10:21Shannon Sharpe:Because a lot of times, it's like, man, Sharp, why you told that story? I say I ain't say no name. He said, fool, you know I know you talking about me.

1:10:33Yeah, but you'll see.

1:10:38Shannon Sharpe:I'm getting the guys together. We're going to get a couple of the guys together in Denver. We're going to sit down on Club Shay Shay. Let's take a listen to the fourth one. Y 'all three from scratch What is what we call the holy trinity down south in New Orleans and that's yeah That's you start any starting season any gumbo a touffee Chicken stew any of that kind of stuff you got to start with the holy trinity and that's your onions your celery and your bell pepper You put them three together and that's how you start your whole process. That's how you make your root That's how you put all of them ingredients together to make chef's kiss.

1:11:18Ocho, Unk, Iso, Holy Trinity.

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1:15:54Chad Johnson:Appreciate that, bro. Absolutely. Appreciate that.

1:15:58Shannon Sharpe:I like that. Man, you like, uh, man, I can't see. I think the thing is, I probably would like New Orleans cuisine a lot more if I could eat seafood. Oh, you can't eat seafood. I'm allergic to shellfish, man. Damn. Even iodine. I can't eat food with iodine. I'll die and touch my skin. My skin literally just roll up, like just start balling off.

1:16:20Chad Johnson:Damn, boy, I love me some seafood now.

1:16:22Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. So it shouldn't be no problem. Ocho, you love seafood, so it shouldn't be no problem for him to take that next step, right, Ocho? Hey, they so should know. What next step?

1:16:32Chad Johnson:What next step? What come out of the seafood? You know that next step, boy. Go ahead and lick that comb. Huh? Huh? Mm-hmm. Don't worry about it. This is why y 'all's one. This is why y 'all one and two on the list. Nah, Joe.

1:16:50Shannon Sharpe:They already put you up there, Joe. They don't put you. Hey, the way Joe talked when Joe got that lick in the system, boy. Yeah. Nah. Nah. Yeah, you joke. Nah, nah, nah. Please let Scott Foster count game six and seven. Only a ref, the only ref, excuse me, that doesn't give Shea flop calls.

1:17:14Chad Johnson:Yeah, it's gonna be hard for them to win at game six and saying that, Tony, I'm sorry. Aye, aye, aye. Unless Shea, unless he coming with, he coming like MJ came back in the day with that 4-5. Yeah. I don't know.

1:17:32Shannon Sharpe:Now the Spurs see how it feels when another team has the advantage with the whistle. Man, most of the time, y 'all get the whistle. I mean, ain't nobody compete with OKC when it comes to the whistle. I'll get your point. Can someone tell women to stop jump shooting jumpers in three and get behind the damn, getting the damn paint? Well, Joe say he tired of that pressure, all that leaning on him and pushing on him. and it's a zapping his legs that is making him expend so much energy.

1:18:02Chad Johnson:Yeah, watch. Look, look. If y 'all watch him, even on offense when he's outside the three, he get a chance to kind of hunch over and, you know, catch his breath. You know what I mean? Yeah, you take your ass aside of that paint. We putting hands all on you. Hands, feet, everything. You know what I mean? He tired of that damn resistance.

1:18:22Shannon Sharpe:iso if you could pick any one player all time to start your team who you picking same with you uncle chad to start an nfl team one player all time oh oh i saw who you taking

1:18:36Chad Johnson:one player one player to give me wimby here

1:18:42Shannon Sharpe:all time so you take a one player you get one player you taking wimby over jordan you taking Wimby over Kobe, LeBron, Kareem, Shaq?

1:18:51Chad Johnson:Right now. Right now. Yeah, I'm taking Wimby.

1:18:58Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, who you taking? Football, right? Yep. I'm going with 12, man. Brady? Yeah, I'm going with 12. You can't go wrong with that. I'm taking my quarterback. You're going with seven? I'll take a seven.

1:19:20Shannon Sharpe:Spurs playing like they don't have a seven plus to use in the paint. They do. He just don't spend no time down there.

1:19:29Chad Johnson:That ain't his game neither, man. Like, you know, they've been forcing – you talking about Wimby, right?

1:19:35Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, talking about Wimby.

1:19:36Chad Johnson:Yeah, they forced him and tried to make him into this low post player, this elbow, catch at the elbow. So that really hadn't really been his game. He just tall and every damn body. So you feel like he belongs right there. That man want to be out there dancing with that ball, man. But when he does assert himself down there, and he a much different player, and obviously the outcome is different, but it comes with some resistance.

1:20:06Shannon Sharpe:Yep. Two things can be true. refs were worse than the 0-2 Kings ref in the third quarter and OKC role players made shot. Lou Dort, your time in OKC is up after this year. Castle and others need to protect the ball.

1:20:22Chad Johnson:Damn, Lou Dort? You think it's up, huh? Probably. Hold on, you must think somebody's gonna pay him or you don't think they're gonna pay him.

1:20:34Shannon Sharpe:They're not gonna pay him. They're not gonna pay him. Why? When they got Wallace that can come up. They got Wallace that can do that. They got Caruso that can do that. But he's a big piece of what they do. Man, Joe, you know, hey, they're going to have to make some decisions. Now, I had a situation with Jalen Williams. In the Lakers series, you said, man, you done lost your mind. We're going to see that. They're going to be Barry watching now because they're about to get to this apron. Now, they got all these draft picks that they can't sign. They're going to have to make some decisions, Joe. Ocho.

1:21:09Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

1:21:10Chad Johnson:Yeah. I just feel like Luke Dory does all the dirty work that you ain't really got guys who can do. I mean, yeah, Wallace came, but he comes off the bench. But to have a couple of those guys, bro, that's... Like, I think we're just talking about it now, but if they end up winning the finals, you're going to have to figure that out. You got to keep him.

1:21:29Shannon Sharpe:They're not. Too much money.

1:21:33Chad Johnson:He a free agent after the year? After this year? I think so.

1:21:38Shannon Sharpe:What is Lou Doherty? He's a red, isn't he?

1:21:46Shannon Sharpe:They're going to try to pack in some things because they got three first-round picks, but they only got one spot left.

1:21:53Chad Johnson:Yeah, they're going to have to figure that out.

1:21:58Shannon Sharpe:Is he a player option? Club option. What's his club? How much is it? Oh, no, he gone. They ain't paying 18.2. Absolutely not. This one on Wimby. He wanted to float around the perimeter and not get in the paint to score. Have the same energy for Wimby like they did for Chet. That's been my only thing, Joe. I've said this for Wimby. He spends far too much time. He's easy to guard out there. Now, granted, he's making shots like he was in game one. He's making shots like he was in game four. But I'm saying, bro, he's got to get down to get closer and get easier buckets. He's got to.

1:22:38Chad Johnson:Yeah, for... See, the only thing is, is when he plays well and he's playing on the perimeter like this, nobody really says nothing. It's just like, okay, cool. If he ain't really made shots like that, you feel like he got to get down there in the paint. But his game is a face-up game. He ain't no back-to-the-basket player. You know what I mean? I think just because he's 7 '5", he's able to obviously do it. but he want to catch it face up, dribble, catch a little rhythm, and then go into his shot because, hell, in any game, he's going to have an advantage. Yeah, but Joe, instead of catching it at 28 feet,

1:23:16Shannon Sharpe:can he catch it at 18? Right. He still can do that. He can still, hey, catch the ball, 18, turn around and face up, and let's go to work. Can he do that? Does it always have to be at or beyond the three-point line before he gets the ball?

1:23:31Chad Johnson:Well, when he catching at 18 and turning the face, I still got to get them damn hands off me. But if I'm out here at 25 feet and I'm catching, ain't nobody touching me, that's what he don't want. I don't think he really wants that physicality is what I'm saying.

1:23:52Shannon Sharpe:This is an old lady who kind of remembered that old OGs, Muhammad, Sam Cooke, Robinson, Clay. without about the culture. Okay. One about who's going to have a voice with Unk. Recent comments wanted to go. I streamed. We F up. Don't think Unk was that guy, but he is. I don't even know what this is. I don't know either, so. But, Nihar, thank you for commenting. What up, Big Three? Unk, I saw your episode with Daniel Cormier, Podcast Champion Mindset. It was a great episode. So similar to what you had, DC, on Club Shay Shay. Yeah, I had a great time with DC. He's an easy talk. I mean, he loved the sport.

1:24:37Shannon Sharpe:He loves other sports. And, you know, when you compete and you perform at that level, obviously you've got to have a championship mindset. So I had a great time, and thank you, guys. Appreciate it. Can you shout out my son, True, for his ninth birthday out of Detroit? What up, though? True, Dad, love you, my boy. We sending him to Orlando with the grandparent. Spirit done messed up the game what

1:25:06wow

1:25:07Shannon Sharpe:but I don't know what it true happy night birthday man hey bro thank you for tuning in I appreciate that happy night birthday he said he's going down to going down to his grandparents in Orlando I'm sure the grandparents probably going to have him at Disney Disney, Epcot, Busch Gardens, boy, everything down there. Yeah, yeah, Joe. Ocho, that Busch Garden, you know Joe Dick. Busch Gardens.

1:25:42Chad Johnson:Busch Gardens. Yeah, Joe, you know. What's that? Ocho, tell it, Ocho, come on. He know what it is. You know, it's only one place where the bush is at. Man, I don't know. They went over my head, man. I tell you, y 'all look too advanced for me. I had to catch on. You got to talk slow so I know. You know what I mean? Hey, you got to slow it down a little bit. You know what I mean?

1:26:08Shannon Sharpe:Yo, I – yo, I so – okay, what's up? What y 'all think about Giannis to the Spurs? Any chance it could happen this summer? Absolutely. They don't need him. No. Hell no. You want women to grow? Women don't need to take a backseat to Giannis?

1:26:27Chad Johnson:you got a great thing going you got a better chance of lebron and yon is teaming up yeah

1:26:36Shannon Sharpe:oh joe go watch joe's bag work video and watch how he saws paul pierce stand down my boy stand

1:26:43Chad Johnson:down man i just started study joe man hey i can tell you what move joe is gonna do based on where he is on the court if you got the ball in his left hand most of the time he'll twing twing left left and come back right if he got the ball in his right hand he's on the right side of the court he's gonna twink twink twice twice to the right and come back to the left i didn't i know joe man

1:27:02Shannon Sharpe:and ray i know him like a book that's dang joe i just i just studied this move in the in the low block or the low post if you catch it if he's on the left side if he's on the left side of of the rim and he's playing with his back to the post he's gonna he's gonna fake right and come back and shoot and shoot I already know I done studied them

1:27:25Chad Johnson:everything you're going to do I'm ready hey chat I got to update my damn resume I see that Joe I promise you I've been talking trash like this because I've studied only seven years worth of film based on the moves you like to do based on where you are where your body placement is on the court and it's the same regardless of who you plan So I mean, I got it. I got it. I'm ready. I'm ready. But that's how I know. And it's not like you change. So when we play, I'm going to know exactly where you're going.

1:27:57Shannon Sharpe:You ready for that? You swiping it every time? No. I'm going to play. I'm going to favor the side that he wants to go to. That you know he's coming back to. Yeah. Yeah.

1:28:07Chad Johnson:Hey, Joe. Yeah. The problem you're going to have is that you're so small, I ain't going to even see you when I raise up. You know what I'm saying? Hey, Joe. I raise up into that tall man jump shot. I ain't gonna even see you, bro. Yo, the funny thing about it is you gotta bring the ball up. I'm swiping down on the ball when you bringing it up, Joe. That's what I'm saying. My pickup placements, you ain't gonna know cause they so high. My pickup placements are high. I don't have to dip. You know, I can't - You see, and that's the problem. I'm gonna be in your shirt, Joe. I'm gonna be in the chest.

1:28:40I'm gonna be on you like this, Joe. Get that close up with you, Joe. Hey, I'm gonna be, hey, and when I slide these puppies, boy, it's a wrap, boy. Yeah, I study, Joe.

1:28:56Chad Johnson:I study. Hey, I'm gonna make sure Chad has something good, boy, they can talk about for a long time. I promise you that. And you gonna be mad as hell. But how the hell he know everywhere I'm at? How you in my hip pocket? Like, what the hell?

1:29:10Shannon Sharpe:Sup, fellas. TJ here, Unk, Ocho, Iso. What does women need to do in the off season and to improve his game, get stronger. Yeah. Stronger base.

1:29:20Chad Johnson:You got to keep just working on them legs, bro. You got to have a stronger base because that's what guys going to always try to use the advantage. That's to get low and push you out and be physical. Because, hell, outside of that. Yeah, outside of that, there's nothing you can do.

1:29:35Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Because, Larry, the taller you are, the less you have of it.

1:29:39Chad Johnson:Yeah. Go ahead, Ocho. I was going to say, remember when Giannis came in the league, he was he was wiry like that yeah i mean obviously yeah he was why are you just like that yana got that yana's got that muscle on him that man yeah man i'm going when we can put on yeah when we got

1:29:59Shannon Sharpe:that kd frame yeah yeah he gave five pounds actually katie gave five ounces since he's been in the nba

1:30:06Chad Johnson:yeah yeah but i think i think he get that base strong because he already got a nice touch around down the goal. Absolutely does. Even I'm saying, even if he ain't dunking it, even if he five or seven feet from the goal, he still got a super nice touch. So by getting that base stronger where you can withstand that pressure, you'll be all right.

1:30:29Shannon Sharpe:No one wants to talk about Wimby being under 10 boards in back to back game. Yeah, I mean, they've done a great job of like when the ball goes up, of putting a body on him and don't let him run free. Yeah. You know, he had the 24. They, you know, maybe didn't realize he was going to be that active.

1:30:48Chad Johnson:Nah.

1:30:49Shannon Sharpe:But since the first two games, they've done a great job. In the last three games, they've done a great job of keeping him off the glass.

1:30:55Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah. And they do a great job. I'm saying OKC guards, they be attacking him. Like, they're not trying to go around him a whole lot, trying to finish. They going right at his body, trying to get a foul. or hopefully, you know, that way it kind of knocks him out to play to where he can't get the rebound and they're getting putbacks and things like that.

1:31:16Shannon Sharpe:Exactly. Go right at him because he's going to challenge and then here come their big right behind him to get the rebound and get the putback.

1:31:21Chad Johnson:Yep.

1:31:21Shannon Sharpe:Tony Brothers and the other two blind mice did a number tonight to help us run the house. And with that being said, you can't carefully turn the ball over. Hey, when you said, and the other two blind mice, that was a good one. Hey, whoever said that, that was a good one. That was a good one. I like that. Ocho not going to make any shots. He's going to smoke ISO. Have him looking like Harden, a cone.

1:31:48Chad Johnson:They saying you ain't going to make no shots? No, I'm going to have you looking like Harden, a cone. Man, please. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Where I'm from, partner, if you couldn't play defense, you couldn't play. Hey, Joe, you just seen me playing defense on some of the top college players in college football right now, right? You seen they couldn't go nowhere, right? You see me knocking everybody down, right, Joe? Yeah. It's going to be the same thing for you because you ain't know it as fast as them right now. Okay. Well, I want to see you come do that over here with your tough ass. All right.

1:32:18Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Yeah. Man, y 'all had all that food for a kickoff with no grill, just chips, alcohol, and music. Those takes were funny. Who are you guys' top five teammates ever? Oh, top five? Yeah. up. Parson TJ Houshmins Adam Sean Smith funny as hell. Justin Smith I'm not sure if y 'all remember Justin Smith he was a number just he went up going to the 49ers yeah Justin Smith and probably probably to the round at my five uh mine's probably sean marion you know sean uh sean used to come to uh he used to come to arkansas in the summertime he got family in arkansas okay uh

1:33:14Chad Johnson:josh smith him and his pops used to come to arkansas and hang out they used to come down little rock and hang out uh i'm gonna throw jeff teague in there we had some good times uh oh q rich quentin richardson we played together only one year uh with the sons but we hung out probably more than anybody you know they're on the team his hey we used to have 2k tournaments at the crib uncle ocho he bring his partner over we he come over my crib i have my My boys, we play 2K all day, bro. I have tournaments all day. You know how to play 2K, Joe? Man, I'm mean in 2K, old Joe. I know you can't play that, but don't act like you can play that.

1:34:01Chad Johnson:I think where I'm at, Faux, that's Faux?

1:34:03Shannon Sharpe:Yep.

1:34:07Chad Johnson:Let's see, who else?

1:34:14Chad Johnson:I probably...

1:34:18Chad Johnson:Oh, uh, Gennaro Pargo. Uh, we played college ball together and, uh, we had a chance to play here in Atlanta together for, I think two years. That's my dog.

1:34:33Shannon Sharpe:Top five.

1:34:41Shannon Sharpe:I'm assuming y 'all didn't know nobody picked no college. So I'm assuming we doing all NFL. I'm going to say Keith Burns is one.

1:35:03Shannon Sharpe:Seven.

1:35:14Shannon Sharpe:Butts.

1:35:18Shannon Sharpe:Probably Ray and Woody.

1:35:25Shannon Sharpe:Because contrary to what has transpired over the years since then, we did those two years in Baltimore, we did everything. There was never a situation where if you saw one of us, you saw the other two of us. If you saw them, you saw me. And if you saw me, you saw them. Especially when we was in Baltimore. Season over, we go to Vegas, we go to L.A., we hang. so we had some great time we had some really really great times sorry Ocho the man behind you got the layup dog yeah you didn't miss Ocho Ocho Madrid isn't very good so that's not saying much

1:36:05Shannon Sharpe:Ocho Frico Ocho needs to chill Ocho can't hoop O.K.C. in six oh it's okay you see my wife fritzy uh happy birthday she just turned 21. oh you got married already 21 okay okay okay okay Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear. Who? Fritzie. Fritzie. Happy birthday to you. Hey, I got a good voice on me, huh, Joe? She old.

1:36:52Chad Johnson:You ain't bad. You ain't bad. You fat for a squat. Yeah, me too bad. What? Nah. I hear what you saying. You hear me? Nah, I hear you. I just repeat it. I say you fair for a square. Okay, okay. Hey, let me tell you, but you ain't doing nothing but making it worse for yourself, boy. Huh? Okay.

1:37:15Shannon Sharpe:Happy birthday, Fritzney. You need to host the instigating class. Man, that be Joe and Ocho. I ain't doing nothing.

1:37:23Chad Johnson:Nah, you do your job. You play your partner. You play your partner. Come on Joe, man. You play your part, it's okay.

1:37:29Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, yeah. Hey, Ocho, this gentleman said he's 100 % disabled from the military and I'm cooking Ocho 1v1 and I'm 5 '7". Let me know when you can come back to Cincinnati. Man, so he 100%. 100 % disabled? Mobility challenged. Let me hear the wheelchair, huh? I'm saying he mobility challenged. I mean, well, you know, people out there talking about talking about people that's, so we try to lose the term. We don't say homeless. We say unhoused. We don't say disabled. We say mobility challenged. Okay. Well, I'm going to push him out of the wheelchair.

1:38:15You got a chill.

1:38:16Chad Johnson:You got a chill. He came at me. I mean, what you mean?

1:38:20Shannon Sharpe:It's fair game. What if Ron went to the Clippers and teams up with the clock?

1:38:27Chad Johnson:Who they bigs though? They just gave up Zubat.

1:38:30Shannon Sharpe:They ain't got no bigs. They ain't got no bigs. He gonna be right back. He gonna be right back in the same.

1:38:34Chad Johnson:Man, if Bradley, the Lakers, he getting his ass out the West.

1:38:43Shannon Sharpe:Why is it so hard for the media to tell LeBron to hang it up? It's over, man. Go enjoy your life because the media doesn't have that responsibility.

1:38:50Chad Johnson:Right, and the man still playing at a high level.

1:38:53Shannon Sharpe:Let me ask you a question. The media didn't tell Jordan to go. They didn't tell Kobe. They didn't tell. The media never told any other great player when to hang it up. So why is it the media's responsibility to tell him? And again, most of the time, guys leave. They just don't have anything in the tank. Now, if you want to say LeBron James is not going to win another title, okay I'm not going to find you too tough on that considering I don't know where he's going to be next year but if you say the man I mean like he can't play that's a lie right that's a lie that's just not true we've never seen somebody at the age of 38 39 40 bleed this consistent late in their career now whether or not that equates to another championship that's another story to debate but I'm talking about when did the media reserve the right to be able to tell players okay it's time for you to go that's not their responsibility their job is to report give you a story you know storylines and report what's going on their job is not to tell somebody when to go that's a personal and a family decision not a media decision

1:40:14Chad Johnson:unless they ain't calling your ass

1:40:17Shannon Sharpe:no more yeah lady ray says hey guys i got a joke for y 'all why did the man fall into the well because he couldn't see that well

1:40:34Shannon Sharpe:lady ray been hanging out with you ocho nightcap big three uh versus john jones mike tyson Brock Lesnar in a bar fight. Who fight and what are the outcomes?

1:40:48Chad Johnson:If we get into a fight with who?

1:40:52Shannon Sharpe:Jon Jones, Mike Tyson, and Brock Lesnar.

1:40:56Chad Johnson:Who y 'all got, who y 'all gonna take? I'm gonna take Jon Jones.

1:40:59Shannon Sharpe:I'm going upside the head with this bottle. I'm gonna take Jon Jones.

1:41:07Chad Johnson:You taking Jon Jones? Yeah, I know his weakness. I know how to beat him.

1:41:12Shannon Sharpe:He gonna put you in submission, it gonna be over with. Yeah. Well, since you... Well, if they don't know it's a fight, if we know it's a fight, it's over for them. As long as nobody tells them we coming, we good.

1:41:31Golden State will be his next team.

1:41:34Shannon Sharpe:Bet whatever you have to lose. damn i don't see that bro you don't see that i mean they tried to make a move they tried to

1:41:44Chad Johnson:make a move this year joe they got the money to go get him i guess they'd have to move out jimmy butler damn oh that'll hurt i just think that whistle So we saw that they look like an Olympic joke. Yeah. But here, think about OKC in the Spurs. That's eight. That's eight times. You just you four and four. You want. I don't know.

1:42:23Shannon Sharpe:As everyday passes, Bron to Minnesota make more and more sense. They need a vet to complete in the new age West. Bron and Ant.

1:42:31Chad Johnson:Hold on, hold on. Like that, Joe? Not really. I like Kyrie. I want to see Kyrie over there with Ant-Man.

1:42:39Shannon Sharpe:Kyrie and Ant-Man?

1:42:41Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah. He need another ball handler over there. Like, I ain't saying Brian ain't no ball handler. But I just think Kyrie, he'll be perfect over there with them long athletic dudes. Because Kyrie, he ain't a super liability on defense. He going to at least try. You know what I mean? but if you got Jay McDaniels and Ant-Man, you know them two, they can guard.

1:43:04Shannon Sharpe:Yes.

1:43:05Chad Johnson:He takes some pressure off Ant over there.

1:43:07Shannon Sharpe:Please tell me why Jacoby Jones rest his soul, didn't win the Super Bowl MVP of Super Bowl 2012 when the Ravens beat the 49ers. Your guess is as good as mine but normally the quarterback because Joe Flacco had played so well throughout the entirety of the playoffs. Yeah, he was balling. Jacoby had one hell of a game. called a touchdown, 109 yard return, kick return, some big passes, big time. Yeah, he played really well. And if Michael Jordan didn't exist, what player do you think would run the 90s era? Bird, Magic? No, they were done.

1:43:48Shannon Sharpe:Dominique, maybe? No, look. Elijah won two championships. Yeah. the Pistons won one, the Spurs won one. That was it. The rest of them went to what you call them. So with that being said, ooh, a big man running the league. But you got to look at it, Joe. Olajuwon, Karl Malone, they were the two best players. Yeah. In Barkley. They're two best players in the league. You got to realize, Magic went to the NBA Finals in 91, and he ended up having to retire. He won the MVP, league MVP in 90.

1:44:37Chad Johnson:Yeah.

1:44:37Shannon Sharpe:But then he had to retire. Bird back was gone. He was not the same player.

1:44:43Chad Johnson:So they're saying if Jordan wasn't playing.

1:44:45Shannon Sharpe:Yes.

1:44:46Chad Johnson:Yeah, Malone and Barkley, both probably would have got a ring here.

1:44:50Shannon Sharpe:Yes. And Elijah won. Yeah. that completes this episode of nightcap the okc thunder moved one win closer to advancing to back-to-back nba finals thanks to a 127 114 victory over the san antonio spurs game six back in san antonio on thursday we'll be there can they get it to a game seven or will the thunder repeat as western conference champs tune in we'll have all the actions after of the game. Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y 'all know who I am. I'm your favorite uncle. That is my partner and co-host. That is the soccer player and legend himself out of Liberty City.

1:45:38Shannon Sharpe:Bet you didn't know soccer players came out of Liberty City, but they do. There he is, Chad Ochocinco Johnson. And one of the greats from Little Rock, Arkansas. He's a seven time NBA all star. Smooth shooting two guard. And they call him the Fist of Fury. That's him. Iso Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And go subscribe to the Nightcap Podcast feed wherever you get your podcasts from. Thank you guys for your support and your continued support. Those looking to purchase a bottle of shade by LaPortier, head over to LaPortierCognac.com if you cannot find it in the city or state near you.

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1:47:03Shannon Sharpe:We'll see if Wimby can summons up what he gave them in games one and in game four, because they're going to need all of that if they're going to get this thing to a game seven back in OKC on Saturday. Thank you guys for joining us. We'll see you tomorrow night. Peace.

1:47:21Chad Johnson:See that.

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