Nightcap Hour 2: Colton Hood JOINS Nightcap + Wemby WEIGHS IN on 65-Game RULE + How OFTEN do NBA STARS play on TV? + Anonymous NBA Player MVP Poll + Doc Rivers OUT as Head Coach

20:27Shannon Sharpe:when you look at it Lucas played 2 ,289 minutes he's not eligible Cade Cunningham has played 2 ,150 minutes he's not eligible Ant-Man has played 2 ,137 minutes he's not eligible Wimby has played 1 ,866 minutes he's eligible

20:49Shannon Sharpe:Charles Barkley goes off on players complaining about the 65 game rule. I don't think 65 games is a lot to ask. Shut the hell up. Y 'all vote for it in collective bargaining, and now you want to complain. If y 'all wasn't sitting on your ass half the time sipping margaritas and stuff, they wouldn't put the 65 games in. Shut the hell up.

21:08Chad Johnson:Hey, look, Charles got a valuable point, fellas, because the collective bargaining agreement, the players had to vote in on that. This is what we as the players ask for. So they got to hold it up, bro. Because, look, they're not going back to where it's not a game limit. It's always going to be a game limit now. Yep. Because it's going to save some of these teams some money. Right. You know what I mean? And it's just unfortunate that a lot of our stars is hurting them. You know what I mean? And some of these guys, man, you know they will be playing if they could. I think that's the most disheartening thing, and that's why it's so much drawback.

21:54Chad Johnson:But, I mean, rules are the rules, fellas. Yeah, it's messed up. And, hey, Joe, when you say the players voted on it, I'm sure they have one person that's appointed that represents all the players in general. Yes. Were all the players aware exactly what would happen if they voted on this? Yep. I'm sure they all were. And, unfortunately, most of the superstars who are now inezerable, who are not able to get awards, who are not able to be eligible for Supermax contracts, who now it's affecting. Do you think at any point the NBA in good service will go back, being that they have the power to do so, and change the rule?

22:35Shannon Sharpe:I don't. Ocho. You know they can't do that if they wanted to. You got to think about it, Ocho. Think about it. I remember, I'm old enough to remember when the Ashley drinking age was 18. you could actually drink at 18, Ocho. Yes, sir. You could buy alcohol at 18. Given what they know now, you think they ever going back to that, Ocho? Yeah, no.

23:01Even what they see some of the star players suffering right now. No. The game has changed when Barkley played. The game has changed when Shaq played. The game has changed. Players are bigger, faster, stronger. They're getting up and down the court at a much higher rate, a much higher volume, and they're having injuries, they're sustaining injuries for a reason.

23:21Shannon Sharpe:Voting or not voting has consequences. Don't get to complain about something that you voted for and it turns around and bites you in the butt. See, you cannot purchase a lion and they get mad if it attacks you. Right. You know there's 82 games in the regular season. The threshold that you must meet in order to be eligible for postseason awards is 65. Yes, sir. Now, a rule that you voted on, comebacks to bite you. It's unfair. Oh, it wasn't unfair if you didn't think it was going to impact you or when it wasn't impacting you. You see? Yeah. Sometimes things don't start to bother us until they're on our porch.

24:10Shannon Sharpe:You don't realize how bad something smells until the aroma of the stench is in your home. And you're like, damn, I'll get in a mug up here. Yeah. I've been dealing with it. You know, another thing, Joe.

24:23Chad Johnson:What's that? First, you would know better than I would. I'm sure Uncle would probably know too. What percentage of NBA players, when the season's over, they're still active? Still actively just playing pick a ball like they do at that gym. What's the famous gym everybody go to in New York? The Summit in New York? Yeah, the Summit. How many of them continuously stay active no matter what? I think a lot of the top guys, like the main guys who play a bulk of the minutes, they take a little time off. What I mean a little time, it may be a couple weeks. But I'm going to be honest. Man, when I was playing Uncle Ocho, I'm talking about even in the years early in my career when I was playing 30, 35 minutes, I probably didn't take no more in a week off.

25:07Chad Johnson:Because I enjoy playing a game. Like, you know, in the summer months is when I go back home. We had a summer league back home in Little Rock that I used to love playing in. So I was always active, bro. And I think nowadays we have so many. We're distracted by so much that the guys don't really play as much no more. Yeah, they'll go to the gym and work out with a trainer, get up a few shots. But I'm talking about that bump and grind. You're talking about like five on five. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, you're talking about runs. When I was coming up, that's all we did was run. Nobody had no trainers, bro.

25:43Chad Johnson:Everybody, you hoop. You know what I mean? You may have had a guy who worked you out in the weight room or something, but we hoop. That's how we got better. Nowadays, guys don't really hoop. They just train, train, train, and then they hoop when the season gets hit. Hey, that's a good thing, too. I like that Joe just said that, right? Now, basketball and football is completely different. Now, we trained during the offseason, but then, I mean, you play. How do I say this to say it the right way? So basketball, everyone, you have a one, two, three, four, and five. At what point do you work on your specific craft and improve your game specifically if all you do is play five on five?

26:19You get what I'm saying?

26:21Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah. I think that's up to the player and how much they want to, you know, how good they want to be. Right. You know, when you really love something, man, you know, you'll put your all into it, and you'll find ways to get better when you're not around everybody else. Like, I always, you know, I tell my son all the time, bro, like, you're not going to get better than everybody by just getting better at practice. It's going to be the things that you do by yourself, alone, when nobody's watching. Are you out there? Are you doing your push-ups? Are you getting extra shots up? You know, it's things like that.

26:53Chad Johnson:And I'm not sure a lot of guys do that, bro. They just, they wait to practice to try and get better, and that shit's just not enough.

27:00Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. No, I think, and Ocho, what we tried to do is that we took what we had trained in the offseason and tried to implement it in practice. Yeah. Okay, I worked on this. Yeah. Okay, the steps that I took. And so now I got to be able to implement that because instead of running this, doing this stuff on air, I got a guy in front of me. Yeah. I got a guy putting hands on me. I got an internal clock like, damn, this is taking too long. So I got to speed it up. So Joe is saying, like, look, okay, it's fine to have a trainer, but you need to go work what you train, what you worked on. Go implement that on a five-on-five.

27:36Chad Johnson:Yeah.

27:37Shannon Sharpe:The spots that you shot at, okay, can you get to that spot in a five-on-five and hit those shots? One here, two, three, four, five, six. That's what you need to work on. But it seems like, Joe, if I'm correct, like all you guys do is just like work on that and then wait until the whole season. They ain't really doing runs. I don't know. I still think they have runs because I think UCLA, that's where the guys used to have a lot in California. That place would be jam-packed. And every once in a while you see somebody will post something where they got a lot of NBA guys and they're getting runs in and there's some big names up in there.

28:12Shannon Sharpe:But for the most part, like I said, all that stuff, you got to be able to implement it. Yeah. You practice it and then you can't. What good is practicing something, don't you, if you can't implement it in the game? What the hell are you practicing it for? Right. I'm thinking about players, obviously, Joe, that are really skillful or want to continue to add tools to their bag.

28:32Chad Johnson:Yeah. Add tools to their bag, not just out there doing stuff that's not going to work in the game. Yeah. When I train, Joe, I train to do things at game speed and game tempo that I'm going to have to do when the bullets are flying for real. Right. Absolutely. You're doing no bull drive just to be doing no bull drive. Right, right. And you got to look at it. you know the more you play you get that live action to read and react yeah yes versus you being out by out there by yourself here running running these goals and slants and all that hell ain't nobody out there to touch you the same thing with basketball it's like man i could do all these dripping drills and shooting drills but if i ain't got nobody with a hand up or pushing me coming off the pick to reaching for the ball yeah you got you got to have all that man you got to implement all that's why I say you can train, but you definitely got to play because you need the competition.

29:25Chad Johnson:You know what I mean? You need the bump and grind. You got to have that, bro. That's how you get better. Because when you get in between them lines, similar to like a quarterback, when he say height, he has to read and react. Same thing with basketball. If I'm coming up to court, I got to be able to read and react. You know what I mean? When a guy make a mistake. And if you hadn't been playing a lot of basketball, a lot of competitive hoops, then it's hard to kind of have those instincts right away. You know what I mean?

29:50Shannon Sharpe:Because in practice, when we run routes, Joe Ocho, you know this. There's got to be a fear. You run a sled, that's like safety. Woo, okay, okay, okay. Just so you know, I'm there. So you got, hey, hey, you running the route, you run a, let's just say you run a sail across his zone, and you catch the ball and turn up, and here come that back linebacker. Ooh, boy, that would have hurt right there. That really would have hurt. So you have to know and so you get a sense of like, okay, boom, boom, okay. This coverage, this is what the coverage I thought it was. All that going through your head. Man, hey, that safety coming down.

30:28If it's lurk, already we call it lurk.

30:32Shannon Sharpe:They call it a robber now, Ocho. We call it lurk because he was lurking around to blow somebody's ass up. They call it robbing now. I was like, okay, I ran this shell across. Probably the first guy that's going to hit me because he sees me going to cross around. is probably going to be that damn safety because he's buzzing down. He's coming.

30:48Chad Johnson:Yeah.

30:49Shannon Sharpe:The only thing that's going to save me, if he happens to get caught up with the crosser, he's going to see crossing first. And maybe he intercepts that, takes that guy, and now I'm here. But, yeah, I'm a firm believer. I like doing stuff on air, but air, man, you feel all fast. Like, ooh, ooh, set it down. Oh, Joe, you know, ooh.

31:14Shannon Sharpe:man you ain't doing none of that stuff in the game funny thing about it hey joe what's up i did do my training by myself especially you know my little cone drills and my little stuff like that yeah a hundred miles an hour joe yeah miles an hour i did it so much to a point where i don't care how many times i mess up i'm going to move all by myself doing these cone drills as if i'm really running around yeah got myself and and got my body implemented to a point, Joe, I could run full speed and stop on a dime, Joe. And I was able to do it so much and had done it so much in cone drills in tight situations that weren't even realistic to being in the game.

31:54Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. When I got in the game and had to run 15 or 20 yards, I'm still able to be going full speed and get up out that thing in two steps. Here's the problem that they're running against Ocho and Joe against the 65 games. Tom Habistro did a study and found that nationally televised games, only 33 % of the time the viewers are seeing the star players. There it is on your screen. How often do they see, how often do all NBA stars on a nationally televised game actually play? Damn. 32.7 % of the time. So less than 33 % of the time. This is why the rule was implemented.

32:30Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah.

32:31Shannon Sharpe:Think about the money that Amazon and Peacock and ESPN and all these networks just spent. And look what you got, Ojo. 33 % of the time, the stars. So I go to a game, a nationally televised game. There's a great chance I'm not going to see the stars. Yep. Right. Yep. This is why. So you mean to tell me I just gave$7 billion. I'm paying collectively Peacock and Amazon and ESPN. you mean you tell me for 7B this is what I'm getting when you see it broken down like that it's understandable now

33:10Chad Johnson:yeah

33:12Shannon Sharpe:it ain't never going back it ain't never going back to Mr. B Ocho if you think about it this is why they protect the quarterback this is why they put all those rules this is why the defense was receiver because they want the stars on the damn field.

33:34Chad Johnson:Yeah.

33:35Shannon Sharpe:They love football, but they love football better when Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, all the big-name guys are playing. Man, come on, man. Man, ain't nobody coming to see you, Otis.

33:48Chad Johnson:Yeah, they not going back, bro. They going to keep this in.

33:53Shannon Sharpe:Y 'all going to say what y 'all want to, put a skirt on them, put flags on them. It ain't never going back. you're never going to be able to punish the quarterback like you once could you're not going to be able to land on him you're not going to be able to put your helmet in his chest you're not going to be able to hit him below his knee you got this area in which you can hit the quarterback from his thigh pads to the top of his letters but you better hit him with your shoulder pad and land on the side of him because if you put your helmet right there they'll say yeah we're going to need 15 so that's where they are now Ocho go ahead Now I'm going to say add the fan to that too now Oh yeah for sure Oh yeah Man you hit a quarterback And the bigger the name the quarterback Boy you You must rather hurt My whole boy One of the top quarterbacks Yeah

34:48So

34:50Shannon Sharpe:They're paying so I mean think about what the tickets cost You like oh man I'm going to see this man I can't wait to see Such and such play

35:02Shannon Sharpe:the haircut somebody the haircut they come out the locker room like damn he ain't even in uniform so I know he not playing tonight hey man don't the NBA have the injury report like the NFL does and let you know who's playing and who's not

35:15Chad Johnson:damn you get that you get that like a couple hours before the game you don't buy the ticket hey that's nasty

35:23Shannon Sharpe:and they ain't giving no refund

35:26Chad Johnson:Hey, listen, that happened to me earlier in this season. Like the first two weeks of the season, I went to like two Hawks games. And Jalen Johnson didn't play. It was some key guys didn't play. I'm like, damn, I could have stayed at home for this here. Like straight up, you know what I mean?

35:43Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

35:44Chad Johnson:I know exactly what you're talking about, huh?

35:47Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Chuck also reacted to Wimby doing the math in his head on the 65 game rule. What we need to do is send all these bad-ass American kids over to France to go to school. That's the first thing we need to do. All these dummy kids over here, we need to send their ass to France. Who said this? Chuck, Charles Barkley. Hey, Chuck's funny, man.

36:15Chad Johnson:Hey, France's putting them in the league, boy.

36:18Shannon Sharpe:An anonymous NBA player poll voted, 159 players voted, MVP, Shea. Jokic was second. Jalen Brown was third. Cade Cunningham fourth. Luka was fifth. Wemby and Kawhi Giannis. Joe, did this surprise you?

36:37Chad Johnson:No, it don't surprise me. It don't surprise me not one bit. Shea at the top. Jokic right under. than JB, Cade. I think Cade's percentage would have been a lot higher had he not missed the significant time that he missed, considering the fact that at the time that he was playing, I think they were the number one team in the league at that time. I think they had the best record, if I ain't mistaken. And OKC just kind of overtook them once they started sliding a little bit. But I don't have no problem with this. I picked Shea. I picked Shea to win the MVP. and just because the players voted this this anonymous player poll hell this still may not this still may not be the MVP you know what I mean he could potentially Jokic could potentially still win

37:30Shannon Sharpe:Jalen Brown for him to have the Celtics in the position that they had them in given what they had lost and given what was out

37:38Chad Johnson:yeah I don't know. He was special the entire season. I give him that.

37:45Shannon Sharpe:Damn, the fans don't really think a whole lot of Wimby. And you've seen lately, Wimby has been moving up the charts, allegedly. I mean, the way they rank it and the charts about the MVP. Hell, Wimby's in the top five. Top three, top four.

38:02Chad Johnson:Over the next eight to ten years, he's going to probably be in the top three area. yeah yeah outside of this year he after this he gonna be in the top three i would say for the

38:15Shannon Sharpe:next eight to ten years what do you think about uh what is it about wimby that people don't that players don't seem to get their to get their arms around joe i think he's still learning he still

38:28Chad Johnson:he's super young still he has great talent around him okay ocho so he's not asked to do a whole lot He just has games to where he does do a whole lot. Right. I mean, as far as scoring the ball, rebounding, shot blocking, shot altering, you know, I mean, he can have it on the defensive end by himself.

38:50Shannon Sharpe:Yes.

38:51Chad Johnson:You know what I mean? So I think as years continue to go on, people start to show him a lot more respect because I think he's going to have gaudy numbers. Yeah.

39:09Shannon Sharpe:I'm looking at it guys. I'm trying to figure out who's going to be that fourth all NBA player. Cause SGA made a cutoff. Jokic made the cutoff. Jalen Brown made the cutoff. Wemby made the cutoff. So we got four. Who's going to be that? Who's going to be guy that was going to be a second team, all NBA guy. And now all of a sudden he's the first team, all NBA guy.

39:34Chad Johnson:That's a good question. Is it during? I think he going to make an all NBA team. I'm not sure it's going to be the first team though.

39:43Shannon Sharpe:But we got to have one more.

39:46Chad Johnson:They probably going to go like. He might even throw KD in there.

39:54Shannon Sharpe:That's a possibility. Possibility.

39:59Chad Johnson:Because I think he probably was going to make a team already. He probably. Oh, yeah.

40:02Shannon Sharpe:He's going to be. He's probably going to be second team.

40:04Chad Johnson:Yeah, so you probably put him in first team.

40:10Damn. Yeah.

40:15Shannon Sharpe:And then somebody going to get bumped up.

40:19Chad Johnson:Who going to get bumped up?

40:20Shannon Sharpe:From third to second. And somebody that wasn't going to even make a team. He's going to be on the team.

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42:33Shannon Sharpe:That ain't nothing but a blessing. That's all it is. Doc Rivers is departing as head coach of the Bucs after two and a half seasons for Shams. Bucs will now search for their third head coach in three years. Rivers went 97-103 during his three seasons in Milwaukee with two first-round exits after missing the postseason and play-in tournament this season. Rivers took over for Bucks head coach late January 24, replacing Adrian Griffin, who had a 30 and 13 record before being fired. Team sources says there was a season long disconnect between Rivers and the players, including instance instances that annoyed the locker room.

43:13Shannon Sharpe:Joe, what's going on?

43:15Chad Johnson:I don't know. It just seems like they weren't feeling Doc Rivers. Because from my understanding, they had a meeting, and they said Doc kind of gloated about his accolades and the things that he's done.

43:24Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, he's like, Google me. Y 'all don't know who I am.

43:28Chad Johnson:My name is Glenn, but they call me Doc. Hey, and this is what you have in professional sports, fellas, because guys make way too much money for you to be coming in here and talking about me. They ain't trying to hit none of that. They ain't trying to hit it. Well, nobody, Doc, I'm sorry, Doc.

43:43Shannon Sharpe:I remember Doc. I remember Doc hitting barquette. I remember when Doc was with the Hulk, with them tight little 25 shows up. Yeah. Hey, these players ain't standing there, Ocho. Yeah. Shorts were so short, Ocho. The bottom of the jock be hanging out the short. Come on, man. Yeah. Hey, Joe, they really can't blame Doc though, huh? Why? Hell, they were 30 and 13 and you fired a coach when you was having a winning season. I wonder what and who precipitated that. But that ain't none of my business. I mind my black business on here.

44:18Chad Johnson:Number 34? Well, listen, I think with Doc getting up out of it, I think if others let me know that Giannis will be on the move. Oh, he on the move regardless.

44:31Shannon Sharpe:Because they already said, Joe, either he signs this extension or we train his ass. Because he ain't getting out of here walking to the end of this contract. Oh, no. Yeah, hey, hey. He's gone.

44:42Chad Johnson:Hey, Doc thought he was walking into a sweet situation. Oh, they 30 and 13. I got Dame. I got Giannis. I can lead these, boy. Give me another title to my belt.

44:53Shannon Sharpe:Man, they fell apart. Because I don't think Dame Hart was never in Milwaukee. Dame really didn't want to leave Portland. But he just knew he wasn't going to win no championship in Portland.

45:04Chad Johnson:Yeah.

45:04Shannon Sharpe:He really wanted to go to Miami. But Miami always tried a penny pinch. Ain't nobody helping you. Ain't nobody giving you their best players, Pat Riley, for spare parts. they're not but if you look at it now he said the reports are he would be willing to part with Tyler Hero when you had a chance to get James Harden you wouldn't do it you had a chance to possibly get KD reports are you wouldn't do it now all of a sudden bro ain't nobody giving you and Kale, you're gonna have to get up off him Joe

45:39Chad Johnson:I know man because he got so much talent he got some promise And he tried to hold on to it.

45:45Shannon Sharpe:No.

45:47Chad Johnson:Look, if you're Pat Riley, man, you got to do something here. You're going to be a playing team for the next however many years. So you got to make a big splash of someone. You got to make some changes. I ain't going to say nothing. I already told you what's happening. But Yon is looking for a house at Coral Gables now.

46:04Shannon Sharpe:That's okay. You're going to have to give up Tyler Hero, and you're going to have to give up where? That's at the minimum. him. That's at the men. You heard that say uh-uh? Huh? Giannis looking for a house in Coral Gables as we speak. He can look for a house in Weston. All I know is you're going to give up Tyler Hero, you're going to give up Ware, and you're going to give up Unprotected Pick.

46:31Chad Johnson:That's Giannis.

46:33Shannon Sharpe:30 and 11.

46:35Chad Johnson:Hey, and if you're Milwaukee, you better go on take and stop playing.

46:41Shannon Sharpe:Yes. yeah yes so man Doc said y 'all better google me I've won championships I've made some team made I've got teams to the championships

46:57Chad Johnson:that don't work in the professional sports man yeah one thing y 'all know you gotta be relatable to these players and they gotta respect you I ain't saying they don't respect Doc I think they respect him but I think they kind of felt a way obviously behind the meeting that they had and him throwing his accolades around I'm like man damn then hey what did Janet Jackson say

47:22Shannon Sharpe:what have you done for me lately

47:28Shannon Sharpe:oh yeah hey hold on that was 2009 when was that well hold on I'm trying to say that was 2008 2008, 2009. Because Kobe won it 19. And then Dallas won it in 11. LeBron's first year there. So LeBron's year that So it had to be, what year was that?

47:57Chad Johnson:They won 2007.

47:59Shannon Sharpe:Was that 2007? What you call it?

48:02Chad Johnson:2008. It won 2008.

48:04Shannon Sharpe:2008, that's when Boston won. Yeah. Bro, that was 18 years ago. Them kids, most of these kids was two. Three tops. They were babies. They were a little taller. Yeah.

48:17Chad Johnson:Damn.

48:18Shannon Sharpe:We remember Doc. I remember Doc as a player. I do. In Atlanta. Damn.

48:28Shannon Sharpe:Man, look.

48:33Man, it's a different time now.

48:37Shannon Sharpe:you can't talk to these kids like you once could. You just got to, hey, it's almost, you got to be relatable. Hey, you got to know something. You got to know something about Cod. You got to know something about, you know, man. You got to know something about Duquesne. Man, you got to know stuff like that, man. You got to be on that level. They're talking about young boy. You talking about Osley Brothers and Frank and Beverly. Talking about Summer Breeze. Hey, the kids don't know nothing about that.

49:03Chad Johnson:It's all about being relatable. Hey, same thing, because if you're in college and you can't relate, hell, he hitting the portal, he gone. He ain't trying to hit as you talking about. No. Yeah.

49:16Shannon Sharpe:Bro, every time we put something on, every time we put something on there with a night camp feed, man, what you doing about this? God damn it.

49:28Shannon Sharpe:I say, well, damn. But that's it, guys. Look, just accept it. the times that Joe, when you grew up in, and Ocho, you and I grew up in, that's over. It ain't coming back. You can't coach the kids like that. You can't talk to them like you once could. Just accept that and say, man, I remember. I do too.

49:50Chad Johnson:How do you discipline the kids? Somebody nowadays. Discipline who? I'm saying, if I'm coaching, how am I supposed to discipline my guys or my kids in college? What am I supposed to do?

50:02Shannon Sharpe:You're going to make him do suicides right in somebody else's practice. You're going to have him running laps in somebody else's gym. That's where it ends, not Joe. Hey, for one, Joe, the players that you do have, whoever the coach is, you got to have players that respect you. Yes. You got to have players that respect you, and then you got to know your players personally. You got to know what players you can coach hard. Then you got to know what players you got to coach and pat them on the back. You got to pull them along with you.

50:29Chad Johnson:Damn, boy, it's hard to be a coach nowadays, ain't it? Absolutely. It's difficult. It's a different ball game. You got to jug all these different personalities. No, you can't make everybody happy. It's going to be two, three guys pissed off at you. Yeah, that's just how it goes.

50:44Shannon Sharpe:It's just like your kids, Joe. You got two, three kids. Somebody going to buck. The law of averages says if you got more than one kid, the fact that all the kids are going to fall in line. Nah, somebody going to buck. It's just the way it is. just the way it is. And now when you be with A,

51:10deep breath, yeah. Hey, aunt, you had one of your kids buck at you before?

51:15Shannon Sharpe:I just, A, I just go back to what my grandma say. Don't make me hurt you. Don't make me lose my job. Oh. Yeah. Look, I had a daughter. Right. I had a daughter that was in high school. Yes, sir. And she wanted, you know, hey, she's, you know, she got hormones going on. Yeah. Her and I talk about it all the time. She said, Daddy, thank you. She says, I look back on it now. You're the type of dad that I needed. Because if I didn't have you, I would have probably run over my other dad and it would have been long term problems down the road now. She said, I appreciate it. She said, I didn't see it at the time.

52:00Shannon Sharpe:I said, baby, you never do. I said, I'm only going to do what's in the best interest of you. I'm not trying to harm you. I'm not trying to hurt you. I understand. I've been your age. You've never been mine.

52:14Chad Johnson:That's what they don't understand.

52:16Shannon Sharpe:I understand what you're going through. But I also, I said, let me talk to you. Let me talk to you as a guy that was 17, 18, 19, 20. And what I was looking to do and what I was trying to do to a young lady that was 17, 18, 19, 20.

52:30Chad Johnson:Hello. Hello.

52:33Shannon Sharpe:I ain't telling what somebody told me. I'm telling what I know. I lived it. Experience is the best teacher. Yeah. So. I was I was always her parent. I'm always and I told I was always be a parent. But I'm going to try to understand what you're what you're dealing with, what you're going through. But understand when I say no, it's no. to say no. We got rules. We got chores. We got to do what I got to do because I said you had to do it. No other reason why, but I said it.

53:11Chad Johnson:Right.

53:12Shannon Sharpe:Hey, she'll tell you. I ran a tight ship, Ocho. I did. I said, well, hey, Kayla, can you wash the dishes? Kayla, wash the dishes. Kayla, take the trash out. Kayla, take the trash down to the road. I ain't reasoning with no damn child and I'm paying all the bills. I got a reason with you?

53:29Chad Johnson:Right.

53:30Shannon Sharpe:No. Because when you say, Daddy, can I go here? Daddy, can I have some money? Can I do that? But then when I say do X, Y, and Z, it was tough because, like I said, she would call her mom. You're like, what you want me to do? He run his house. I don't. Joe, you ain't had no problems on your end yet, huh?

53:57Chad Johnson:No, but it's lessons that have to be learned the hard way, Uncle Ocho. And I'm sure y 'all understand it. Like, I got a 19-year-old, so, you know, hell, he, you know, he, hey. For instance, check this out. So for spring break, he just had spring break, right? So he called me. He wanted to get an Airbnb. He wanted$1 ,000 to get an Airbnb. So me, I'm like, look, man, you got other stuff you could be doing that you need to be attending to. Like, I don't think, you know, spring break is that damn important. If y 'all just want me to be 100, for you to be trying to spend$1 ,000 on the Airbnb to have some temporary fun.

54:35Chad Johnson:You know what I mean?

54:36Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

54:37Chad Johnson:You blow a whole thousand versus you could have that thousand in your pocket and go do some good with it. But he didn't see it that way. He felt he had to have$1 ,000. So I sent him$1 ,000. He blew it, had a whole great weekend. Now, look, guess what he hit me with the next week? He needs money. Shit. Hey, look, I don't know what to do for you, bro. You're going to have to figure it out. You know what I mean? Like, you got to figure it out. Because I was trying to tell you this from the start. Like, that temporary fund you were trying to have, it ain't worth it, my nigga. It ain't worth it. With the homies.

55:09Chad Johnson:Yeah, it ain't worth it. It ain't worth it. Okay, Ocho, it just ain't worth it, bro. Like, you know. Joe, that's 19, Ocho. You got to think about when you was 19, Joe. Yeah, Ocho-ish. Ocho, when I was 19, I'll tell you what. but in college, I wasn't out here trying to party in spring break. Hey, look, I had gold. You hear my man say he had a vision board? I ain't had no vision board, but I had a damn vision. You hear me? Yeah, exactly. I knew where I was trying to go, and I wasn't doing that. I'm sorry. I wasn't doing that. I got you.

55:40Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, that's how it works.

55:42Chad Johnson:Yeah.

55:42Shannon Sharpe:And I don't get these kids. They're like, hey, they think, man, you get that. No, it's the principle. It's the point of the matter. Yeah. Because I just want you to understand, when you become an adult, ain't nobody giving out no free money. Man, what? I just gave you X amount of dollars. You chose to go blow that money with all your friends, which they probably ain't chipping nothing. That's all. As Barney Portis used to tell my brother now, he said, son, when you got too many drivers and not enough fixers, he said, y 'all riding around all these dudes in the car. So when it go down, when it break down, who's going to help you?

56:18Shannon Sharpe:Who's going to pay for this flat? who go for a carburetor or spark plugs or whatever the case may be. He said, when you got too many drivers and not enough fixers, okay. Yeah. So you got to understand. But like I said, she was very difficult. My son was pretty much like, look, there have been some times we had some little heads. We butt heads. But I think boys are way more fearful of their father than a girl.

56:47Chad Johnson:Yeah. way more way way way

56:53Shannon Sharpe:yeah because he can't really do what he was cause you know my son mom was like look I ain't finna go back and forth with you I'm just get on the phone hey what's up he need to talk to you okay so I already know now I'm already on one what you need to talk to me for simple if I asked you to do that would you have told me what you told your mom?

57:22Chad Johnson:right

57:27Shannon Sharpe:man don't make me don't make me leave Denver Ojo you ain't had no problem with none of yours? nah Joe nah Joe and the only reason I haven't had any problem with Uncle Joe is because they mamas don't play that Joe they mamas but they were raised here I brought you in this where I take you out type of hell. No, but see, they need to live with you. No, no, no, no. They need to be with you. See, I had Kayla. Oh, you said I like permanently? Yeah, they need to be every day when you say no, you can't go. No, you can't go. No, I ain't giving you this. No, why you buying that? Why you order that? Every day packages come I'm like, hold on, what the hell?

58:13Shannon Sharpe:I'm like, am I a storage or something? I mean, how you get a package Every day? Them Amazon.

58:20Chad Johnson:I'm like, what the hell? Yeah. I knew exactly what he told me. I'm like, whoa. Whoa, whoa. And you know, I'm a little lenient too. I know you are. I can tell. You're lenient. Hey, but you have to really push me. You have to really do something. You ain't really got no business, you know, for me to actually get out of character.

58:46Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. because you have to understand because of who we are now. And they know that. You on TV, you ain't going to do nothing. You in the NFL, you ain't going to do nothing. You don't want this kind of pressure.

58:59Chad Johnson:Yeah, okay. My thing is when your kids tell you their goals and dreams, and that shit just ain't adding up to the actions that they got going. No. You feel me? That's my biggest thing, Coach. I'm like, hold on. So you want to be X, Y, Z, but make it make sense to me, bro. You know what I mean? That's my biggest thing. It's like if you're not working toward whatever it is that you envision yourself being in the next 5, 10, 15 years, then what the hell are you doing?

59:31Shannon Sharpe:Right. Just look. Hey, I don't care what you want to be. I'm only going to push you in the direction that you choose to go. I'm the wind behind your back. You the sail. You open up, I'm pushing you forward. Because I can't want something for you more than you want it for yourself. That's what I'm going to do. I don't want you to do nothing. Because the thing why I was so worried about Joe and Ocho is that my kids, like, I did this for you. This ain't what I wanted to do. I want you to do whatever you want to do.

1:00:07Chad Johnson:Hello.

1:00:08Shannon Sharpe:So, therefore, that is your decision. I'm going to support you. I'm going to do everything I possibly can to help you reach the destination in which you're trying to get. So whatever you want to do, hey, whatever major you want to major in, whatever school you want to go to, gotcha. Yeah, that's how it was with my oldest son, Joe.

1:00:29Chad Johnson:Yeah. Playing football, playing football since he was young. Playing football. Arizona State, playing football. Hey, you know what, pops? This ain't really what I want to do. And he didn't want to tell me. He didn't want to tell me because he didn't want to upset me. He didn't want to feel like he would let me down. I said, man, you ain't letting me down. What? Man, playing football was my dream.

1:00:52Shannon Sharpe:Thank you. So if you chose to play it, then so be it. I'm supporting you all the goddamn way. And when he say, you know what? I ain't know how to come and tell you. I say, man, you good. What? Now, what is it you do want to do so I can get behind you and propel whatever it is you want to do? Right. I got you 1 ,000%. If that's not your dream, that's fine. You ain't got it. You told him perfect, Ocho. Playing in the NFL was my dream. Right. I don't need you to try to, and that's what I tell my kids. I've already done what I wanted to do. Right. I'm not going to live vicariously through you because I achieved it.

1:01:28Shannon Sharpe:I want you to achieve what you want to achieve, and that's where I am. I'm the biggest supporter. Right. You want to be a doctor. You want to be a lawyer. You want a regular. Whatever the case may be, I just want what's best for you. Not what's best for Shannon. Because you got to understand, what motivated me? You didn't have that same stimuli. You had designer. You went to private schools. You came over. It was a three-car garage. You had Ferrari. Hey, there was whatever you wanted. There was never a time that you said, I want this for Christmas. and your mom told me, even when times are like, no, that boy don't need...

1:02:11Get in the thing.

1:02:14Shannon Sharpe:Get her the... Shannon, she don't need that. Well, that's what she want.

1:02:23Chad Johnson:Hey, I'm with you. I'm with you. But, hey, I tell you what you can't do, though. You can't just lay in this house up under me and be no bum. You can't just lay up under daddy and be no bum. I ain't going for that one. none of them I ain't doing no one I got 85 of them you see me every day you didn't see me at the height you didn't see me lose it all and you didn't see me get it all back and I be damn if anybody finna be sitting there doing nothing you finna do something I don't care what it is

1:03:00Shannon Sharpe:this house got room for one lazy mofo

1:03:02Chad Johnson:and that's me me it.

1:03:04Shannon Sharpe:And I ain't lazy. And I ain't lazy. Thank you. Thank you. Ain't nobody finna sit up here and swing they feet on me. No. Get it? And you can get it. And you know, the thing is, Daddy, you still, Daddy, you almost 60, and you still motivated? When you gonna stop? I say, stop and do what? Right. What am I gonna stop and do? Tell me, I say, just give me a plan. I want each of you to write down, if your daddy stop working tomorrow, what am I gonna do? Daddy you don't do nothing. So, well, you want me to stop and do less, more nothing? That's what I said. I told them all. I said, I want you to write down, if your daddy stopped working tomorrow, what am I going to do?

1:03:45Shannon Sharpe:Daddy, you don't do nothing. You don't go on no vacation. You don't like to go out to eat. All you want to do is just stay up in the house and work.

1:03:54Chad Johnson:Yeah.

1:03:56Shannon Sharpe:Okay, so I said, I ain't even, I said, you're right. I'm almost 60. but I like to think I got a couple of more summers to go. So what I do in the meantime, what I'm going to do in the meantime, Ocho and Joe, if, if, if I'm not going to, if I do absolutely nothing, so I'm not going to do nightcap. I'm not going to do club. She, she, I'm not going to try. I'm not going to try to create and develop other shows and help other people achieve their dreams. As far as in the podcast space, what am I going to do?

1:04:27Shannon Sharpe:That's it.

1:04:30Shannon Sharpe:hard work is all I know. I've never ran away from a tough assignment or a hard work. So I just don't, I said, guys, I don't know what to tell you. It's like, hey. Hey, I just, there's no way you can be one of mine and see me work, Joe, I'm talking about Joe, I'm getting to the bag, Joe.

1:04:56Chad Johnson:Yeah. I'm not talking about it in those streets. I got about 50 them jobs. Like Jody, you seeing it. So you got to be motivated. You got to be inspired. You got to want to do something.

1:05:13Shannon Sharpe:Yes. And that's what I'm saying. I've taped my fourth episode of Club Shay Shay in the last three days. Damn. So I've done nightcap on Wednesday, nightcap on Thursday, nightcap on Saturday. Now, and guess what? I got another episode of Club Shay Shay to take. I got nightcap. Guess what? On Tuesday, I'm gonna wake up. I got another episode of Club Shay Shay. And guess what? We got nightcap. I'm gonna fly home. And then I got another episode of Club Shay Shay. And we got nightcap. And we got nightcap. And we got nightcap. And guess what? Yeah. I got Club Shay Shay and nightcap on Saturday.

1:05:55Chad Johnson:I'm with you. Putting that work in, man. man.

1:05:57Shannon Sharpe:That's it. So there's no, oh man, you did. I don't know anything that was the hard work. And that's what we grew up on. That's how I think we got out of the situation. It's not an accident, but it wasn't by design either. That two boys from Glenville, Georgia, population 3 ,500, went and achieved what we achieved. It wasn't an accident, but it wasn't by design. Because guess what? The same stimuli. Mm-hmm. Hard work. Because Barney, hey, I'm going to have my brother come on here one night and tell him, my grandfather used to get up and say, get up. Hey, that's sleeping in. Barney Porter said, get up and watch the sunrise.

1:06:43Shannon Sharpe:Get up and watch the sunrise. On a Saturday, ain't nobody sleeping in. Ain't no sleep. Oh, we're going to sleep till 9. No. Barney Porter would. ain't no leaves on the ground what you mean rake the yard something to do yeah so me i'm the same way i'll come home sometimes i was like and i just start straightening up i just start cleaning i start vacuum i start wiping everything down i'm like man i mean i it was to the point every night before i went to bed joe i had to wipe down the countertop i had to clean the glass table. I had to sweep. I had to vacuum. I had to make sure everything was neat.

1:07:27Shannon Sharpe:I go through the cupboards. Every label flacing out. All the napkins. I was like, man, damn, I need to break this habit.

1:07:37Shannon Sharpe:I just have that obsessive personality. I just got it.

1:07:46Shannon Sharpe:No, I'm not coming. I'm not coming upstairs because you're going to put me to work. How do you know?

1:07:54Shannon Sharpe:I don't know because every time Shelly comes I go through and rearrange all the drawers again

1:08:04Chad Johnson:I can't help it I can't

1:08:08Shannon Sharpe:I hate stuff out of place I get off the show and I go through the house and I pick up all the dogs toys because they got toys you know they got toys all over the place I pick up every toy put it back and it's like damn Matt take the mats put them back in the drawer slide the chairs in but I gotta turn them a certain way look in the refrigerator do I need to put water in there do I need to add another can of ginger ale I just you got over there OCD heavy boy I am I am I am okay I am I know it too I know it I know it but that's the way we grew up and we had to do certain things like I said my grandma said boy it ain't much he's right it wasn't much it was a thousand square foot cinder block home with ten roof but she said son let's try to keep it clean yeah the phone books hey there's a hold up the end tables they were stacked up under there nice and neat

1:09:12Chad Johnson:yes sir

1:09:14Shannon Sharpe:y 'all don't know about them phone books and the series of Robux and JCP pretty catalogs. I do. The big yellow ones. Yeah. Yeah, come on now.

1:09:24Chad Johnson:Yeah.

1:09:26Shannon Sharpe:Joe, check this out. Yarny says the Bucks haven't offered him an extension. Before we even talk about an extension, somebody got to offer me that. I don't wear the pants in my relationship. I got to ask my wife. If my wife says yes, yes. If she says no, no. It's up to her. So you got to ask her. Find her on social media. Follow her podcast. I don't know if she has one. Ask her. Whatever she says, I do. Joe, why he do that? He's throwing up trouble, huh? That's all he does. See, the thing is, and Joe, you know this. He don't want that blowback that's going to come because he's asking for a trade.

1:10:03Shannon Sharpe:Everybody's going to get it. They haven't offered him a contract. Now, I don't know if it's true, but they said if he doesn't sign the offer, it's hard for me to believe. Somebody that's averaging 30 and 11 over the last two to three years, and they haven't offered him a contract extension.

1:10:20Chad Johnson:Yeah, that's hard for me to believe. I'm talking about a guy who done brought you a title. Like, this ain't just no regular degler here. This dude, he putting it down, man. But for Giannis to say that, like, put everything on his wife, bro. Come on, man.

1:10:38Shannon Sharpe:Remember, this is not the first time. Who did he put it on before, Joe and Ocho? His agent.

1:10:43Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah. Come on, man.

1:10:47Shannon Sharpe:You see how he tried to put responsibility on everybody else. So, will y 'all blame my wife because she wanted to leave? Blame my agent because he did this deal. I ain't got nothing to do with me.

1:10:58Chad Johnson:Come on, man. What we doing? Hey, look. Everybody ain't going to like you, bro. Thank you. I think you have to understand that. Giannis has to understand that. I mean, you ain't going to be able to please everybody, bro. No. As long as you happy, your family happy, that's the only thing that matters. That's it. Everything else is going to have to kick rocks, partner, for real. Real talk. And I'm not sure what he's thinking, you know, throughout these times. I'm pretty sure they're difficult. But, man, hey, the next chapter of your life, bro, you got to continue to move on. You got to continue to evolve.

1:11:36Like, I mean, if you're going to move on, just move on, man.

1:11:40Chad Johnson:Yeah, that's it.

1:11:41Shannon Sharpe:You're going to get criticism. but he saw the blowback that LeBron got and LeBron didn't even ask for a trade LeBron played his contracts out Kevin Durant he's been traded but Kevin Durant he got KD he left KD was a free agent but when KD left the Nets and when KD left Brooklyn Nets and Phoenix he got some pushback okay Giannis it's okay you know what your time is probably run its course probably run its course and it's okay that you want to leave you're still a phenomenal player but that comes with the territory but don't put this on your wife don't put this on your agent you gotta you gotta embrace that villain role um hey man hey you gotta embrace being that villain Hold on.

1:12:38Chad Johnson:That man, the most glaring thing, that man said his wife wore the pants in their relationship. He said he don't wear the pants. That's how you put all the responsibility on her, on whatever happens.

1:12:49Shannon Sharpe:Exactly. Damn. It sounds good, but don't nobody believe that. Because guess what? She's going to go where you go. Hello. It's really that simple. She's going where you go. and this notion that the agent don't work at the behest of you. So somehow the agent is doing things behind your back that you don't know anything about. Your agent is talking to the Milwaukee Bucks. Yeah, he is. At the behest of you. He's telling upper management that Giannis isn't happy. He doesn't believe you guys can field a contender and he would like to move on. here's a list of the teams that he would preferably like to go to yeah Miami's number one if I if I'm if I'm Milwaukee I said you know what we thank him for his services we'll do everything that we possibly can do to accommodate him but at the end of the day we're going to take the best deal for the Milwaukee Bucks yes sir that's how it's always going to go that's how it's always been

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