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14:29Shannon Sharpe:You turn the ball over. You can't do that. But the mere fact, it's hard for me to look. Do I believe there's some teams that would take LeBron just to sell tickets? Yes, but he knows that's the only reason. You don't want to, at this point, at this point, LeBron James has been playing for championships probably since about year five. Yeah. So now, here I am going to – so for the last 19 years, for the last 18 years, I've been playing for a championship. Now you want this to be my last year or one of my last year, and you say, you know what, don't worry about a championship. Make it make sense.

15:04Shannon Sharpe:You think Tom Brady was going to go somewhere that didn't give him a chance to the championship? The same thing with Peyton Manning. There are a lot of teams that didn't want Peyton. Because, hold on, bro, you coming off this serious injury, you missed the last year. Peyton couldn't throw them all 10 yards. We didn't want him to throw them all 10 yards. Ask him, he'll tell you. But guess what he went to Denver? Guess what Denver had, Ocho? An outstanding defense and some young one receivers. Crazy defense. Demarius Thomas, rest your soul. Julius Thomas, tight end. They had Eric Decker, wide receiver.

15:38Shannon Sharpe:They had Brandon Stokely, slot machine. They had no Sean Marino, running back. They get Vasquez. They had an offensive. to have Ryan Clay did off his attack. One of the best tackles coming up in it. One of the best tackles in the game. And then you have a young Von Miller and then John just started putting pieces. Now he goes out and get a key. They drafted Bradley Roby. They get TJ. You know what a Dallas say, man, we don't need you no more. DeMarcus, uh, uh, bronze Johnson. We need you. Come on over here. Now you got DeMarcus on one side. You got Vaughn on the other side. You drive Malik Jackson.

16:16Shannon Sharpe:You drive D. Wolfe. You got Trevathan and Marshall. Okay. Oh, boy. Whoa, Nelly. We got a quarterback. We don't need much.

16:27Chad Johnson:Yeah.

16:28Shannon Sharpe:We don't need much.

16:36Shannon Sharpe:Look, there is no guarantee. Look, you see guys late in their career. You look at, I mean, Peyton came one year. He led the league in touchdown pass. the next year lead the league in touchdown passes was an MVP.

16:52Tom goes, first year there, win the Super Bowl out the box. Throws for 5 ,000, one of the three or four best passing games, fourth or fifth most passing yards in NFL history.

17:08Shannon Sharpe:Ain't no guarantee. Everybody wants to go out on top. Man, ain't no guarantee. Ain't no guarantee. Everybody want a Michael Strahan. Everybody wants a John Elway. Everybody wants a Peyton Manning. Everybody wants a Jerome Bettors. Jerome Bettors, last game, was in Detroit. Where is Jerome Bettors from? Detroit. They parked the bus. They parked the bus in the garage. Okay, you're home now, son. Get off. It don't work like that. But every story that you got a Strahan or Elway or a Peyton or Jerome Bettors, a lot of times. Look, that's Hollywood. See, Hollywood, you can control it because you can write a script that has a happy ever after.

17:51Shannon Sharpe:It'll be in. Not in pro sports. Not in pro sports.

17:58Chad Johnson:But I do think I think Bron, he'll definitely get to go out on his own terms. Even though he's playing up in his 40s, he won't be a guy who'll be sitting around trying to see if he's going to be able to play his last some odd years. He probably going to play two more years. I'd give him two more years. You give him 24-25? Yeah, I'd give him to 25.

18:25Shannon Sharpe:Well, he ain't got no choice but to play for minimum. I mean, I just can't. I know he's valuable, but I can't play a 42-year-old. I just can't, Joe. I can't pay a 42-year-old, 40 million, 50 million.

18:36Chad Johnson:And that's what's going to drive him to greatness again you know what i mean because he knows and understands he's against all odds he know everybody has counted him out you know what i'm saying yeah like this he's still i think that's probably uh one of the most interesting things about him because that he stays motivated throughout this whole entire career bro he's over he's over exceeded expectations and he's still it man got all the points in the damn world and he's still out here you know just adding to it Like for me, for a guy to continue to go that long, bro, you have to love and enjoy what you do.

19:13Chad Johnson:You have to love the game.

19:15Shannon Sharpe:And you love – Look at Tom. He's still – he never forgot. I'm a sixth-round draft pick. All these quarterbacks, the Spurgeon wins and all these guys that they took before me. Bro, how could y 'all do that? So I'm going to make y 'all pay. He still felt, even after the Super Bowls, he still felt that he didn't get the credit and the respect that he deserved so guess what I'm going to keep playing I'm going to keep playing and I'm going to beat you

19:52Shannon Sharpe:LeBron came in hyped I think it's hard for what LeBron did but I'm telling you I'm not saying win I'm just saying the career because when you come in as a 6 round draft pick Ocho there ain't no expectations You are you best basically you a camp body. You there for the starting quarterback the first and second three quarterback Ocho don't throw out their arms. That's why they got you there. That's what your job is Joe Joe Joe. So the two starters the guy that you're going into the season with. Yeah, they don't blow out their arms. So we need that's why they bring five six quarterbacks in there.

20:25Shannon Sharpe:So your quarterback don't throw out their arms when you the number one overall draft pick and you're on the cover of Sports Illustrated as a 17 year old and they got. chosen one. It's like Gretzky when they called him the great one. Do you know how much pressure when they call you the great one?

20:49Chad Johnson:Hey, hey, and the one. They say this man, Air. Now he was a third robber, but they don't start giving the man nicknames. They just like Air Jordan.

20:58Shannon Sharpe:Now all of a sudden you got one name. Kobe, Mike, Shaq, Braun, Steph. KD got initials. Manning, Brady.

21:16Bro. Ocho. Did you get to that level? Ocho, yeah. That what it is, Ocho? Not Ocho single, just Ocho? Yeah, the five, he had a five gone.

21:31what hey what your your ladies call you chad don't they you know you know what's funny huh yeah she said chad on every everywhere i go everybody say ocho they don't even say the five i ain't heard chad from nobody else in a very long time i know just your lady call you you just call it chad chad yeah hey call me ocho i said even my kids my kids they say ocho think your kids call you ocho yeah they either say dad or say hell no my kids hey they say dad when they finna ask for money oh yeah daddy daddy daddy regular conversation they say ocho No. My two younger kids called me dad. My oldest called me daddy.

22:19Chad Johnson:Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, yeah, yeah. They better not call me by my damn name. Yeah, that would disrespect when I was coming up. Oh no, well you could, but I had some cousins that called their parents by their first name. Oh no, sir. Man, my grandfather, but you, my grand, boy, I couldn't imagine calling my mama Mary. Oh no, no. I couldn't imagine calling my man please. Nah, my kid called me daddy. Absolutely not, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That is very, no, no sir. That's a whole different, you couldn't be disrespectful to your parents in front of all the other elderly people. They would check you if your parents didn't.

23:03Yeah.

23:06Shannon Sharpe:But as y 'all heard my brother talk, that was, Barty Porter wasn't going for that. Yeah, hey, hey. Man, that dude woulda hurt somebody, for real. Hey, Ojo. Yo.

23:18Chad Johnson:I'm daddy, my kid, they always want something. Hey, my little foyo, he coming in here. Hey, daddy, can you give me some more Roblox? I need some. Oh my goodness, yours on the Roblox too? Ojo, he made me play with him too, bro. Hey man, listen, little french fry. Little french fry in the Roblox. Y 'all, man. man boy listen hey she ain't make me play with her because she got so many sisters that can play what a roblox i don't ain't no telling how much i've been on roblox man okay ocho my grown ass i'll be playing roblox i had my microphone on one day you know it ain't nothing but a little bitty kid five six seven years old yeah and they can hear me talking they was like oh a grown man is in here i'm like oh my god i mean i forgot

24:07Chad Johnson:Hey, hey, hey. Yeah, my little one boy, he gonna make me, he say, Dad, where's your iPad? Come on, join me, join me, join me.

24:16Shannon Sharpe:God, hey. If you wanna make a lot of money, find something that kids like. Because guess what? If the kids like it, guess what the parents gotta do? Take them or buy it for them. And normally, like an animation, that's why animation does so well. So not long the kids go, what? The parents gotta go with them.

24:36Chad Johnson:yeah cause they got the damn the new minions just came out man it came out July 1st oh man Toy Story what the rock movie the rock movie is out oh man some good days I wouldn't change it for the Moana the rock movie Yeah. That's how. They got a new one?

25:07Shannon Sharpe:Yes.

25:08Chad Johnson:Yeah, we want to see that.

25:09Shannon Sharpe:Hey, man, I love some animation. I used to be in animation by myself. Yeah.

25:13Chad Johnson:Hey, hey, me too. That's where I don't mind going, hell. I can't wait. Listen. Hey, I go sitting there by myself. I be in there by myself. I go like at two o 'clock on a Wednesday. Yeah. All right, I'll tell you what. You gotta be careful. You in a big grown ass man sitting in the room with a bunch of kids. People think you a purr. Yeah. So I go with that little badass in school. Cause they gonna be talking the whole time. Yeah. Yeah. You gotta watch the movie. You gotta watch the movie. Man, them kids tell their damn movie. They when they free, they ain't thinking about that damn movie. Whenever Shrek come out, Joe, I'm the joke.

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30:57Shannon Sharpe:According to Stefan Bondi, the Heat are an option to sign Russell Westbrook, but only if LeBron doesn't come to Miami. Ocho, how do you feel about Russ being your second option if you don't sign Bron Bron? I mean, listen, Russell Westbrook as a spark, probably I'm assuming coming off the bench will be great. His energy obviously is infectious. It would be good for the heat culture. He exemplifies just what that culture is all about. Working hard, playing hard, putting your hard hat, putting your construction hat on and going at it every day and giving it everything you have. he has that that is someone that he that that he's always been and he was fit well in that culture

31:40Chad Johnson:i i love westbrook's work ethic uncle ocho i just don't know honestly because if bron don't go there then you're gonna get a whole heavy dose of yannis handling the basketball with bam yep and i just don't see i mean obviously i think Westbrook could fit because he plays hard. He takes the game series. He's a Hall of Famer. I mean, he's a hell of a player. But playing off ball is the biggest thing that concerns me, man. I'll be honest with you. You know what I mean? I know he's going to play the right way. He's going to be a high-assist guy. He's going to take care of the ball. But I don't think I think, you know how it is, like some guys playing with Bron is tough for them to play with Bron.

32:26Chad Johnson:I think that's the same way with Giannis. I think it's going to be, I think it's some challenges that... Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think it's some challenges that's going to come with playing with Giannis, too. And it ain't going to be as easy and smooth transition if you ain't no good catch-and-shoot guy. You know what I'm saying? I know Westbrook can make a damn shot, but they ain't his forte. His forte is having that ball, getting down here, running, pick, and roll, making plays. And I don't know what that's going to look like.

32:54Shannon Sharpe:I agree, Joe. That's why Kyle Corbin has success. Mike Miller has success. Ray Allen had success. You look at Ray Allen as Ray Allen. Ray Allen is a Hall of Famer, whether he played with LeBron or not. But at that point of his career, he was more of a shooter. Ray used to handle the ball when he was in Milwaukee, when he was in Seattle. Y 'all better go back and check Ray's stats. Y 'all look at him and talk about, oh, just what he did. Ray played both ends of the court. Ray Allen was like that.

33:20Chad Johnson:Hey, hey, hey. Ray was in that classic 96 draft class with A.I., Stephon, Marbury, and Cove and all those guys. Yeah. He he is one of those guys I enjoy watching coming up as a youngster, bro, and then competing against him. Okay, Ocho. I'm talking about I competed against him when he was in Milwaukee, when he was cold-blooded. But when he got to Seattle and when I was in Phoenix and we were the number one team that year, they were the number two team in the West. Yeah, Ray was averaging 26, 27 a night. I'm talking about getting good money every night, Ocho. You knew what you were going to get from him.

33:56Chad Johnson:Right, right. Oh, yeah, yeah. now. Ray was that boy now.

33:59Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. I think that sometimes, Joe, sometimes a lot of people see the tail end of somebody's career. I think it's the same thing with Barkley. I think a lot of people look at Barkley like, man, he's 14 points in leverage. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Y 'all better go back and look at Barkley. Barkley's career when he was in Philly, when he was in Phoenix. In Phoenix, yeah. Go back and look at his career now. Barkley's like 22 and 11. At 6 '4. There will never be another 6 '4 guy leading the league in rebounding. Ever. Ever. And I don't like saying ever because that – but there will never be another 6 '4.

34:39Think about it. He the height of Ant-Man, and he led the league in rebounding. When they had Hakeem, they had big, bigs. You know what? Kareem, Shaq – not Kareem. I mean, Kareem, Patrick Ewan, Hakeem Olajuwon. They had big, you know back then in the 80s Joe, everybody had bigs. Big, big bigs. McHale, Parrish, everybody had those guys.

35:07Chad Johnson:Hey, but the difference is, it's not only the talent, but it was the way Barkley approached the game, Uncle Ocho, like he didn't give a damn, bro. Like, that man was trying to, you know what I mean? Like, he ain't have no love for you, you know, when you got out there, bro. Like, he wanted to, he was going to compete at the highest level, and he wanted to win. He wanted to dominate, and he wanted to do it in dramatic fashion, bro. You ain't going to see that no more. The game has changed. You don't see no damn 6 '4", 6 '5", dude dominating up under the goal like that. Hell, Zion would probably be the closest thing to that.

35:46Shannon Sharpe:Absolutely. How tall is Zion? Like Barkley. They got Barkley listed at 6 '6". Barclay no damn 6 '6". Yeah, Zion probably about,

35:58Chad Johnson:Zion about 6 '6", though. Yeah. He's 6 '6", I'm talking about a dog.

36:09Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, but he was, Barclay was, Barclay was an animal. And you gotta think about, look at what he's competing against.

36:16Chad Johnson:He playing against real big, boy.

36:19Shannon Sharpe:Yes! Bigs.

36:22Chad Johnson:Yeah.

36:22Shannon Sharpe:I'm talking about big bigs. I mean, he going up against C-Webb. He going up against, I mean, real power forward. Kevin McHale. Carl Malone. 6 '8", 6 '10". Big boys. Yeah, everybody played four and five back then, Ocho. Everybody played a four and five. It wasn't no stretch this and small. Wasn't no lineup of depth. Everybody had a big. and when you take one big out, you brought another one big in. You took his ass out, you brought another big in. You just keep coming big, big, you replace big with a bigger.

37:03Barkley was an animal. And I think, like I said, people that got used to,

37:06Shannon Sharpe:they see him talk because more people saw him talk inside the NBA on TNT, now on ESPN, and they're like, he do all this talking. He was, okay, he wasn't that good. Hello.

37:17Chad Johnson:Oh, yes he was. They tripping. Nah, he was a monster. He was a dog. He was talking about a dog. He was a top 50 player. He was a top 75 player. He gonna be a top 100 player. He gonna be a top 125 player, 150. He always be a top player. I don't give a damn who comes along. You talking about AA. Y 'all talking about that football, the intimidator factor, the intimidation factor that you bring. You trying to intimidate, you trying to move a man. Yeah. That's how Barkley played, bro. That is. then that intimidation factor yeah that's how he played yeah remember when him and shaq got at it went at it yeah and he hit shack in the head with the ball yeah yeah that was funny oh dealing with charles oakley oh yeah and you know hey you know that those xavier mcdaniel boy they had they had some head on us back then yeah hey Dempon ninjas fight at the drop of a hat.

38:14What? You fouled me too hard then. They just looking for a reason. Bro, that was a regular foul. Ah, no, you fouled me too hard.

38:27Chad Johnson:You had to put your sets up back then, boy.

38:29Shannon Sharpe:Oh yeah, they knocked hell out of you.

38:31Chad Johnson:Oh yeah.

38:31Shannon Sharpe:They didn't do a whole, it wasn't a whole lot of talking. It wasn't no talking back then, man. David Thurston, I gotta get a grip on this. Yeah. And it was even worse in the 70s. Damn. They had Maurice Lucas and Kermit Washington. They had real, real enforcers back then. And then it just picked up in the 80s where they had X-Man. They had Oak. Barkley was his own enforcer called Malone. Yeah. Oh, yeah, man. They had Kevin McHale. Hey, don't sleep on Danny Ains. Danny Ains will be fouling the hell out of people.

39:03Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah. Man, you remember he threw the ball and he hit in the face with that basketball. Mario Allen. Joe, you remember he threw the ball and hit Mario Allen point blank? Who was this? Danny Ainge. When they played against him in the playoffs? Yes. He took the ball out and threw – I'm talking about – he from me, he was from me to this monitor. Yeah. And hit him in the face with the ball as hard as he could. I'm talking about he ran back like – Chats, y 'all remember that? Dennis Rodman. I mean, they had – boy, look at the bad boy, with Rodman and Sal and Lambeer and Rick Mahorn. Man, you know, I played with Dan Marley, like his last two years in the NBA.

39:44Chad Johnson:Oh, did you? Yeah, in Phoenix, in Phoenix. Boy, they love him out there in Phoenix. Yeah. Man, y 'all better go look at that and talk about he didn't mean to do that. Boy, I'd still be whipping on Danny A.J.

40:00Chad, y 'all pull that up. Go look at that. Joe, pull that up right quick. That man did that on purpose.

40:05Chad Johnson:I know. It was different back then, bro. Nah, it sure would have been different.

40:13Shannon Sharpe:Bad look here. Tim Hardaway Sr. says he has an issue with players podcasting during the NBA season. During the season like Draymond, I don't agree with. It's all right to them, but I feel like you're disrespecting these other teams. You're talking about these teams, you know, and Adam Silver just let it go. David Stern would have said, hell no, we're not doing that. If you talked about a team in the media, like I say, their trade or something like that, you would have gotten fined by David Stern. He would have fined you. You don't talk about anybody else's team. You talk about your team, your organization.

40:48Shannon Sharpe:That's it. Josh Hart told him to tell him, I agree.

40:56Joe, do you agree with Tim Hardaway Sr. that they should not be, you know, having podcasts during the season?

41:08Chad Johnson:Man, I can't sit here and say whether you should or shouldn't, Uncle Ocho, if you're a competitor, if you're competing, if you're playing a professional sport. I guess it's all about how you handle it. You know what I mean? you know I mean you got some guys see here's the thing it's like if you podding and you playing well everything all fine and dandy correct but hell if you podding and y 'all getting y 'all brakes blew out of every damn game man please them folks gonna be looking at you crazy and that's how it go and then when you win your podcast is weekly all of a sudden you go on a losing streak and they don't see your ass for a month straight.

41:53Then what happened? Because people want consistency. Their favorite show came on what? Once a week. That's why you knew the Severin's Son, the Jefferson's Good Time. You knew that whatever your favorite show is, whether it's Friends or Everybody Loves Raymond or Two and a Half Men, whatever the case may be. I'm just giving you an example. Your favorite sitcom, you knew it was coming on. That's what people like. But when things are going good, you averaging this and y 'all winning, you up there, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, whoop, whoop. And then all of a sudden, y 'all go cold spatch, and all of a sudden, the podcast.

42:25Where the podcast?

42:28Chad Johnson:Yeah. Hey, consistency is the key.

42:33Shannon Sharpe:Me, I don't think I wouldn't, because I already know how I am. I done been able to say something that I probably shouldn't say. So, I'm just going to catch you. I'm going to catch you at the game.

42:45Chad Johnson:Because you know them wins and losses, Uncle Ocho. They had you so damn emotional, bro. Yes. You know, I'm saying from a win, you can be emotional. And from a loss, you know, it can head you to where hell you don't even want no damn body to be around you. I don't know about y 'all, but I should be like that sometime, man.

43:02Shannon Sharpe:You already know how I am, Joe. Yeah. There ain't no secret. I ain't the easy mofo to get along with when we winning. Right. I'm insufferable. I'm intolerable when we lose. Yeah.

43:14Chad Johnson:Oh, man. All that work out and put in, and we losing? and you know, Ocho, I don't know how it was with you, Joe, how it is in basketball. You know when you losing, Ocho, everything is a problem. Man, get off your helmet. I was sitting under my helmet when we won some games in a row. That wasn't the reason we was winning when I was sitting on my helmet. Now that's the reason we losing. Man, clean up this damn locker room. The locker room was dirty when we was winning. Everything, everything. Put your mouthpiece in. I don't even play with a mouthpiece. You talking about putting a mouthpiece in. Oh, yeah, yeah.

43:46Chad Johnson:Hey, hey, hey. Everything is the reason why you lose it, Joe. Everything is magnified when you lose it. Hey, tuck your damn shirt in when you're going in the game. Damn, they were hanging out last game. Yeah, I get it, bro. You know how it is. And that's why you kind of got to walk that straight and narrow, bro. Even when you win or lose. And that's why, I'm going to be honest with y 'all, that's why I always kept an even keel because I never wanted to show my emotions. Even when I was pissed off, I should have to restrain myself and control my emotions i always was that kind of guy and even when i was at my peak where i was playing well we winning bro i just i always kept an even keel because i understood if it was going great how bad it could be yeah you know i went from i came from phoenix we had won 62 63 games a year coming to atlanta bro we won 29 games on the ocho we started off three in like 28 like bro you are Look, if you start the season off like that, you were already out the damn playoff picture.

44:46Chad Johnson:Damn, what the hell are we playing for? But we still getting our damn check on the first and 15 here. Hey, Joe, ain't like you about to go 29-3. Come on, man. Keep it 100. Damn, we ain't going to be in the postseason here. We know that before Thanksgiving got here. Damn. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing. Look, I'm a cleanly person. I hate to see a locker room. Ocho, how the dude, you right here. You write me for me to this monitor chat. And you throw your jock, you throw your clothes. Man, put the thing in the bag, man. Damn. Why y 'all, bro? And the dude be right there. He right there, his locker right next to the laundry helper.

45:25And he throw his shit on the floor.

45:27Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah. Come on, man. Come on. I know y 'all. And then y 'all, hey, Sharp, you want to come over to? No. Your house dirty. I already know. If your locker dirty, your house dirty. I said, boy, I wouldn't eat at your house if I was. a hostage. Start me out. Hell no. But I used to be baby. So I was like, hold on, bro.

45:51Shannon Sharpe:How is the reason why we losing? None of the things that we doing was the reason why we winning. These are the reason why. It was because we're executing. That's why you said, hey, look at this play right here. Look at the hustle play. All of a sudden we losing. We don't have the same hustle. We don't have the same attention to detail. We're turning the ball over at a higher clip than what we were when we winning. It ain't that complicated. You're really not. Yeah, I'm insufferable. You know, hey, now when guys, we started losing, guys ain't taking it serious. They're dropping past. They're not paying attention to detail.

46:25Shannon Sharpe:Bro, that ain't what you're supposed to be doing.

46:27Chad Johnson:Right.

46:27Shannon Sharpe:What'd that card say? Now, see, when I come up here on Tuesday, and you, hey, man, I see you around. You dapping me up because they're getting your ass up out of here, and you were talking about they did you wrong. But you ain't doing what the cards say. The cards say you're supposed to be in the flat. The cards say you're supposed to be in the hook. The cards say you're supposed to carry up the seam. But you're doing your own thing. Okay. Now, when I come up here to work out on Tuesday, and you got your bag, you got your bag, that hefty bag on your throat across your shoulder, don't be mad. Don't be mad.

47:02Shannon Sharpe:Understand it. Hey, man, Sha 'i Sha 'af, I see you around. No, you won't. No, you won't.

47:15because what I tried to tell you you didn't want to listen to me I just tried to tell you

47:22Shannon Sharpe:as long as you can stay on the team the better chances are you're going to get an opportunity to play Ocho you can't play for a team if you're not on one now you can go back and tell your homeboys and everybody that they screwed over you but you're not going to really tell them hey I got to look couple of clips, practice clips. Take a look at this.

47:46Chad Johnson:That tape don't lie. Hey, that tape don't lie. No. I'm telling that Bill Davis. Bill Davis say, look, hey, I'm going to have to cut a lot of y 'all.

47:56Shannon Sharpe:He said, I know what you're going to do. You're going to go home and tell your parents, Coach F Doberman. And when they come in here, I'm going to pop the tape in. I'm going to say, see, he Fing over me.

48:08that ain't what he's supposed to be doing but you know how Ocho you got the homeboy you go back and they ask hey Ocho tell him what your boy good Ocho what your boy what your boy like that Ocho Joe tell him your boy hey tell him your boy could have went to college like you sure he could have went to college like me he could have been in the league just like me hey ain't no sense Ocho ain't no sense to me yeah you right hey man he was he was good now he was good some of them yeah they were good some of bro stop bro you quit school in the third grade how the hell you gonna i don't know what you could have been hey everybody got a story hey we come out on the bus and you shooting marbles in the yard how the hell you gonna go to high school you shooting marbles in the yard in the fourth grade yeah yeah i'm on the bus but you know what now we 30 30 35 years of age, let them have their moment.

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53:41Get your friends and grab tickets now at creditunion1amp.com. Hardaway also came at Tyler Hero for not being all the way heat. You wasn't heat all the way heat. You were outside of the heat culture. For Bam to be your guy and you say that about him, that's not cool. Bam handled it the right way he thought was best for him. I was disappointed in Tyler too. I didn't like what he said about Bam and how he said it.

54:08Shannon Sharpe:Joe, they had a thing to ask, who do you think on the Heat team would have your back? Tyler Hero said Bam.

54:21Chad Johnson:So why he say that about him now? Hey, listen. Don't start me lying, Joe. Two things can be true, huh? If asked that question, the one person you want to have your back, obviously anybody playing for the heat you would say bam but then also you can also feel that way about bam when he said what he said in the dm yes but you a ain't no way if somebody you think

54:46Shannon Sharpe:somebody gonna have your back or you're gonna talk about them like that now right because guess what you said that before you now had you said had you said a x y and z you probably wouldn't have but here's the thing he probably didn't think that nothing was going to come over I don't know why Ocho I don't know why certain teams favor certain players that's just the way it is Tyler Hero make it seem like he don't know how sports work Joe some teams favor some players over others it's okay some parents favor some kids over others It's okay. They're talking about, I love all my kids. No, you don't.

55:28Shannon Sharpe:You don't love them all the same. You stop. You love them all the same, but you damn sure don't treat them all the same.

55:34Chad Johnson:Right. And kids know.

55:39It's really that simple.

55:41Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah. I don't know anything about Tyler Hero.

55:47Shannon Sharpe:Senior is down there. He probably knows. He probably has more intimate knowledge than what we have. So I got to take it. I don't know. I don't know anything about he I know what the obviously what the heat culture is you play hard you do what you're supposed to do we play with the ball game you play the right way so I get that I just thought Pat Riley was just fed up because every year he hurt at some point in time during

56:11Chad Johnson:the season Joe he hurt yeah he hurt but I think he still had a little value to our guy oh Joe that's why they traded me yeah that's why you that's why you're able to get rid of him you know They, Hey, look, you, you talk about guys being traded, but you have to have somebody, somebody else who, who wants you for you to be traded. You know what I mean? So I think he had a little value to him. Uh, but I just, I I'm, I'm, I'm with, I'm with you, man. I'm with, I'm with Tim Hardaway senior, bro. I don't like, I don't like when guys go to different teams, bro. Then they start talking about the team, the last guys on the other team, man, leave that long, but new chapter homie move on, bro.

56:50Chad Johnson:Let it go. Let it go. Because look, you see what happened. You start sending these shots. Hey, you ain't hard to find, partner. Hey, you see what happened? Hey, Ocho, you see what happened when you throw a shot out there?

57:06Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. You vulnerable for what? A shot coming back. Yes, sir. Literally. He threw a shot figuratively. Bam threw one literally.

57:17Shannon Sharpe:Look, over the last five or six years, when they talk about trading players, the one name that's untouchable has been who? Bam. Bam, yeah. Bro, they had a chance to get James Harden, but they wouldn't give up Tyler Hero. Hell, I would have gave up Guitar Hero, Tyler Hero, O-Hero, any other hero to get James Harden.

57:43Chad Johnson:they still might have a chance to get him though

57:45Shannon Sharpe:they still might but you have to understand bro hey 6 '9 guys that can play both ends of the court they don't grow on trees what? that's unselfish, that plays the right way they don't grow on trees

58:01Chad Johnson:can defend, play both ends of the court yeah absolutely right mind his own business Pat Riley, Mick Harrison

58:10Shannon Sharpe:I think his son's name, Nick Ocho you would know better than me they worried about BAM being in the blotter they worried about BAM being out the club They know my BAM doing none of that not alone

58:21Chad Johnson:Hello

58:23Shannon Sharpe:So that's and I'm not saying so I don't want chat because y 'all y 'all to try to twist it I'm not saying Tyler hero was doing anything of that sort I'm just saying that when they put that when BAM was in order to captain He's to carry this because you got to have somebody to carry I think the problem was that they had a New England on show the key culture. Even though Mayo was there, who could carry that? They said, you know what? Let's bring a guy in that was a part of that. That was really, really entrenched. You see when they got back to Mike Vrabel? You see how they play? You see how they do things?

58:59Shannon Sharpe:Even when Stephon Diggs had that situation on the boat? Let me holler at you right quick, young buck. I'll holler at you boy right quick. Hey, step into my office. He said, Coach, I thought your office was upstairs. He said, no, I moved it over here. Probably Brooklyn.

59:16Shannon Sharpe:That is what we do here.

59:18Chad Johnson:Yeah.

59:19Shannon Sharpe:We play football here. Now, that's not what you want to do. We can make that happen too. But when you're here, it's football all the time. That's your life. So what are you? You a model? You a fashion influencer? Or you a football player? Now, if we take football away, which one you think you're going to be?

59:52Shannon Sharpe:A lot of times, guys, people forget the main thing is the main thing.

59:55Chad Johnson:Hello. Hello. You can never forget that.

1:00:00Shannon Sharpe:Oh, I do podcast. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. How many people, if you weren't in the NBA, if you weren't in the NFL, how many people you think will be watching? You got to keep the main thing the main thing. Don't lose sight of that, guys. I understand you want to have a life. Some teams will allow you to have a life. New England ain't one of those places. Ocho, you know firsthand. Hey, absolutely.

1:00:25Chad Johnson:Hey, hey, hey. Hey, your ass here to play ball. We ain't trying to help that. Yeah. That's how I was with Mike Shanahan. You know why you was there. and, hey, leave your ego at home.

1:00:37Shannon Sharpe:They said, but check your ego at the door. Nah, because guess what? When I turn and leave, you might go back and get the ego if it's at the door. Nah, leave that thing at home.

1:00:45Chad Johnson:Hey, but that's kind of what the game coming down to, Ocho. You know, all these players, especially top guys, you know, the main guys, the star players, the megastars, man, they all got a platform, bro. Yeah. It's not a little different, hell. It's a lot different, hell, just from 10 years ago.

1:01:05Shannon Sharpe:Joe, you making$60,$70 million, and they say, you know what? Hey, I want you to just focus on this right here. I don't think it's that hard. That's me. That's just me personally. And maybe because you took the game a lot like I took the game. Ocho, Ocho going to be Ocho. You can't pay Ocho enough not to be Ocho. So you already know. He going to act a fool. Hey, he getting the end zone, you say, Ocho don't celebrate. Okay. I ain't going to celebrate. as soon as he get closer to his own. They get him down at the one yard like he think he scored, he celebrated. So you already know certain people certain people like Ocho it ain't about money to Ocho.

1:01:48Ocho, you gotta let him be him. If you don't let him be him, you're not gonna get the best of him. So you let him be him, Ocho

1:01:56Shannon Sharpe:as long as you're not hurting the team take off. he can be Ocho he couldn't be Ocho in New England because they suppressed who he was yeah see the thing with Ocho is Ocho is an entertainer first he's a football player second he's already thinking about man I get the incest on to me I got something booed up for y 'all I got something queued up y 'all don't even know what I'm about to do now but when you take that away from him and you say just focus on football why can't I do I've been focusing on football. Just because I'm having a good time doesn't mean I'm not focusing on football. He was one of the few that if you let him be him outside of just the X's and O's, you're going to get the best version of him.

1:02:42Yeah, yeah.

1:02:44Shannon Sharpe:But everybody can't thrive in that system. You've got to buy in 1 ,000%. It's hard. It's hard when you've been a place and they've allowed you to be you for a decade. And then all of a sudden you go there and overnight I can't be me.

1:03:05Chad Johnson:It is, bro. I know. It's like going, I've been eating meat my whole life. Now all of a sudden you're talking about being vegan. What?

1:03:19Yeah, I'll be peas, but they better have some fat back in them. They better have some bacon in them. Yo, I would eat a salad, but they better have some bacon. They better have some meat. They better have something on top of some meat. Some type of meat. Chicken, fish. I need something. Beef, pork. I need something on top of these greens. Yeah.

1:03:41Shannon Sharpe:But you got to know, hey, Mike never, hey, 84 talk all you want to, except the Super Bowl, the first Super Bowl. long as you don't cause this a penalty I said Mike I can get a 15 yard penalty go ahead and get it 84 that's what I start by talking they go grab my face mask they gonna shove me see

1:04:15see I start talking on Joe Joe yeah Yeah.

1:04:22Personal foul, unsportsmanlike conduct, defense. See? See, dum-dum? You just caught your seat dummy. I knew you weren't that smart. I knew you weren't that smart. You done your job, huh? Hey, you know what? If you had brains, you'd walk backwards. I knew it. I knew it. You know what I'm saying? I got to really get him. Boy, if dynamite was brains, you couldn't even blow your nose. Man, F you, Sharp. F you. Bro, I'm just saying. Why would you do that?

1:04:58Shannon Sharpe:But don't worry about it. I sure appreciate you 15 yards. Now y 'all not finna get the ball back. Dumb, dumb. Hey. Oh, yeah. Ta-da. Now I go on off the field. I jog off the field. Don't worry about it. I see you. You can see me right now. Right here in front of you. I hope you can see me. I don't know no blind NFL players. You might be the first one. I know you might be the dumbest one. Because you know what I noticed, Ocho? It's not so much. You know what guys really get mad about? What's that? When you question their ability. Oh, you know you're really not that good, right? You know what our game plan was?

1:05:38Shannon Sharpe:To go at you. Because we knew you sucked. Hey, that'll piss him off, y 'all. That'll piss him off. We knew you sucked. Why you think we just run to your side? Oh, yeah. You not that bright, you gonna get frustrated, and you gonna give us 15 yards.

1:05:59Chad Johnson:Oh, yeah, that's gonna piss a guy off. Yeah. Big time.

1:06:03Shannon Sharpe:I said, bro, I don't know what's gonna happen, but I don't really see a scenario where you on this team next year.

1:06:11I don't see how it's gonna work out for you. As a matter of fact, you keep playing like this, you might not make it the next week.

1:06:24Chad Johnson:Ocho, that type of talk you were telling them, boy? I see. My talk was entertaining. Like, more of a fun way. Unk be going at people's head. I would never like that. Never. I'm holding a regular conversation, Joe. Leave me alone. I ain't minding nobody, Joe. I ain't bothering nobody. Maybe a few people I'm bothering, but hey. But then when you try to, you take it, make it personal, how are we going to make it now? Yeah. You know, I know a few things. Oh, shit. I be laying in the cut.

1:07:02Shannon Sharpe:You know, hey, God blessed me with the ability to play football. He blessed me with the gifted gal. Oh, yeah. He gave me those two things. Hey, he didn't give me the most intellect. I had to catch up, but I had to catch up with that.

1:07:16Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah.

1:07:18Shannon Sharpe:Told my brother, I called him, said, man, look here, you can't come back home no more. You giving out information. Ain't nobody ask you all that stuff about me. Dry snitching ass. As a matter of fact, I'ma tell Libby, you told some stories.

1:07:32Chad Johnson:From the sounds of it, Libby ready to tan you, what? Oh, yeah, yeah, oh man. I said, man, Shannon, you ain't got to tell everything. I said, Libby, I ain't told nothing. I put it off on Spanky. Spanky put it off on me.

1:07:55Shannon Sharpe:But like you said, I was always the littlest one, so that, you know, Grady, he just a little fella. It's okay, Libby, take him with you. My sister ate, think about it. My sister, 20 years old. Why she want to take a 12 year old boy with her for? My brother dating, my grandma said, when you can't, hey, you don't want to take that boy, you ain't going. Guess who, when the truck crank up, guess who's sitting in the passenger seat? You? You make me sick.

1:08:26Man, you always want to go somewhere. You ain't even got nothing to do. Hey bro, hey look here, granny said you got to take me with that. Take it up with granny. You want me to do it all this? Man, drive the car.

1:08:40Man Joe, that was so sick of me. But you know I had the powers. I had the powers of Barney and Mary Porter. Yeah. You heard what he say, make him cry if you want to. Oh yeah, yeah. The hell to pay. Yeah, yeah. And you know, hey, I can cry on command.

1:08:59Hey, what's wrong with that boy? Hey, nothing daddy, nothing papa. You're something wrong with him, he cried. And he probably had that deep voice too, did he, man? Like a baritone, huh? Yes, yes, deep voice. That's how he talk, hey.

1:09:23Come in the house, we be in the house, we be watching TV, hey, turn the TV to the news.

1:09:29Shannon Sharpe:I go turn the TV, because it wasn't no remote control then. I go turn the TV to the news. when all my aunts, they go in the other room. My sister go in the other room because we watching something. He come to my turn to the news. So we get up and everybody get up and leave. All right, all right, bring your ass back. Turn it back.

1:09:49Man, you ain't finna come in here and do all that.

1:09:51Chad Johnson:Hey, hey, hey, what y 'all had back then? Y 'all had like the box. You remember the box, the cable, the actual cable. No, we had no, in the country, you couldn't get cable. Damn. Like I said, you got PBS, which was Channel 9. You got Channel 3. You got Channel 11. And you got Channel 22. ABC, but you could barely get ABC.

1:10:12Shannon Sharpe:But you got NBC, CBS, and there was no Fox back then. And you got Channel 9, so we could see Sesame Street and stuff like that.

1:10:22Chad Johnson:You had to work them antennas up there then. Oh, yeah, yeah.

1:10:24Shannon Sharpe:But we had the pole outside that you go turn. There it is, right there. Hold, hold, hold, hold. Right there, right there, right there, right there. You let the pole go, the TV go fuzzy again. Hold it right there. That's it, right there. Y 'all must be like, I'm fooling for this pole right here. Hell no. Excuse me. No, that ain't fair to happen.

1:10:42Chad Johnson:Yeah. Free agent Stefan Diggs says he's the best wide receiver number two in the NFL, and no one is better than him. Name your number two receiver right now, and is he better than me? if they're a number two receiver better than they're a couple it's a couple Dallas got what whoever you say is one the other two is better than Stephon Cincinnati whoever you say is one is better than him Minnesota the Rams

1:11:15hold on what he said has two to it now I'm just saying

1:11:20Shannon Sharpe:their number two is better than him right right as you go and get as you go a bit further and you get a little deeper into some of these other teams, like he would be a bona fide. Their number two is not better than him. Yeah, for sure. And he's right. Even coming off an ACL injury and having 1 ,000 yards and I'm not sure how many touchdowns he has. Now, if they're going to use him, you take their number two and you put him in that place, you're still going to get the same production based on what he's able to do. Hell, I think he'd be good in Baltimore. Hell, I'm not so sure what you call him is better than him.

1:11:54What did I say he would go? BMO. Give it a chance. Either Baltimore or the Commanders. I'm still standing on that too now. Hell, he'd be good in Cleveland.

1:12:08Hey, you know what? That's a good one. Might be even better. That's a good one.

1:12:16That's a good one. Yeah, I'm curious to hear what the chat has to say, especially outside of Dallas. you know Dallas Cincinnati Minnesota Rams Rams

1:12:32well we have in Philly I mean limited he's not proven yet but he will be the number two I'm trying to think who else

1:12:41Shannon Sharpe:I mean there's truth to that yeah but the thing is Joe Ocho and we talked about this yes once you start bouncing around it's hard for you that's how people look at you now. They look at him as a journeyman receiver, Ojo. Yeah. Joe, you know how it is. Once a player, all of a sudden, you start getting traded. You involved in a trade, and then you involved in a trade, and you involved in a trade. You're a journeyman.

1:13:09Chad Johnson:Hey, but it's crazy, though, because he was a 1 ,000-yard receiver last year, and I thought he played great for the Patriots, bro.

1:13:14Shannon Sharpe:Yes.

1:13:14Chad Johnson:Like, he was reliable and all that. How the hell? Hey,

1:13:18Shannon Sharpe:great team leader, too, Joe. Yes, I agree. I agree with both of you guys. But the thing is, is just how they view you now, Ocho. You know, hey, think about it. He started in Minnesota. He went to Buffalo. He goes to Houston. He goes to New England. And now this will be his 15. Mm-hmm. How old is Steph now? What you say, 32? How old is Steph, Ash?

1:13:51I think he's probably 32, 33. It got to be. Yeah. You know, it doesn't make it any better with all the off-field stuff.

1:14:00Shannon Sharpe:Man, y 'all talking about Detroit Lions. So you try to say he... So whoever you say is one, so Amon Ra is one, he better than J-Mo? No, no, no, no, no, no. Don't do that. Don't do that. Who said that? And that's my bad for leaving Detroit off that list. Don't do that. No. No. Let me add them to the pot, too. Yeah, for sure. Come on, now. Chicago good Green Bay good Hey them young bulls over there Yeah

1:14:29Chad Johnson:I guess when you think about it He 32 Ocho Is he gonna get picked up? I think he's gonna get picked up Absolutely I bet it's one of those two teams I just said Joe watch

1:14:43Shannon Sharpe:But what he made 20 million last year Those days probably over Yeah

1:14:52Yeah. I mean, he won't make bet minimum as long as they give him some respectable. Give him some respectable based on what he's able to come in and do.

1:15:04Shannon Sharpe:Terrell Owens doesn't believe there will be any drop-off with A.J. Brown leaving the Eagles. I mean, they've got Devontae Smith. He's always been a number one guy, even when A.J. was here. He could have easily been receiver number one at any game. So again, he's going to show leadership He's going to bring those guys along. So I don't see any drop off. Those guys are going to be fine. Ocho, how are you taking this? T.O.'s right. T.O. understands the systems. He understands the difference in the offensive schemes that Philly runs, the offensive scheme that the Patriots run. Hell, the Patriots throw the ball, what, 100 times more.

1:15:38I mean, obviously I'm exaggerating the numbers saying 100 times more, but they're throwing offense. You know, if you look at Philly having a running back like Saquon, You've got to understand why even in the passing era that the NFL is now, they would be a run-first team. They're one of the few teams that have a back that is elite in a Tier 1 running back where the offense flows through the run. The run opens up the pass. Over there in New England, they throwing that thing. Yeah, they throwing it for sure. They letting it fly. And he's going to have a much better season, maybe even a better season than all those combined.

1:16:15Yeah. I can see that.

1:16:18Chad Johnson:I can see that.

1:16:19Shannon Sharpe:I just think the thing, look, I think some of the things that he did in New England, I mean, in Philly, he ain't tried that with Brable. Now, Brable knows him. He knows Brable from their time in Tennessee. So, he knows how Brable is. Brable knows how he is. But I can assure you, they're not going to have some of the issues that he had in Philly. They're not going to have that in New England.

1:16:43Chad Johnson:Hello. Right.

1:16:46Shannon Sharpe:um you know to was very strong in the statement me and you and i was talking and people like well uh uh aj was the best receiver no aj won a ring congratulations but even in philly he wasn't better than tto no no what hey i wasn't and that's not a knock on him it ain't ain't nobody in philly ever played by philly hell ain't nobody in the nfl history is better than to unless you go into the conversation and want to bring up randy moss and jerry rice and jerry rice is in a class of his own That's what I said. I've seen the three best receivers, and I've seen a lot of them. For me, if Jerry's number one, a lot of people believe that two and three are the entertainment.

1:17:28Shannon Sharpe:Some people got Randy. Some people got T.O., but for me, those are the top three. One is unmistakable. Right. 22 ,000 yards, 1 ,500 catches, 193 receiving touchdowns, another eight, on runs, what are we talking? We're not even having that discussion. Hey, Joe, you know how we talked about it? I forgot what we were talking about. You watch hockey up close. You watch tennis up close and how different it is at the highest level. Joe, I had the opportunity, man, not only to play with T.O., but to watch him up close when we had to play against him, he was with Dallas.

1:18:17Chad Johnson:Yeah. Well, young boy, he was something special, man. He was like that? Man, man, Joe, man, listen, man. He was something special, man. I found myself on the sideline as a fan watching a friend of mine and got a better understanding on why he was as great as he was. He was a monster. Saw Randy in person up close, Joe? So did I. Jesus Christ. Joe, I ain't never seen nothing like that. Yeah. I ain't never seen nothing like that. The DB playing seven yards off. The DB in his backpedal. Randy take three steps and throw his hand up. You ain't even broke the cushion yet.

1:19:03Can you step on the toes first? Man, Randy come off the ball, man. He hit by three steps. you know, Randy three steps, he damn near eight, eight, nine yards.

1:19:13Chad Johnson:Absolutely, absolutely. And he throw the hand up. And if the DB is still in his backpedal, by the time he get going, like that fourth or fifth step, and the DB is backpedal trying to be pretty, man, strike at the band. Better be in a full-out sprint already running backwards before he close that cushion. If you not, man, it's over. And T.O., you throw T.O.

1:19:37Shannon Sharpe:a hitch route, you not getting him down. You better have the cavalry coming. Yeah. You're not getting him down. He ran angry every play. And he's shifty with it, too. You notice how big T.O. was? He was a little shifty in the open game. Yeah. T.O. was a grown man right here. And look, he rubbed people the wrong way, but I love this game. I never questioned T.O. T.O. gonna block. T.O. gonna do what he's supposed to do. Yeah, I got to get all the antics, and they try to make a team. you know, make it seem like when they won, he didn't play a role, but when they lost, it was because of his antics.

1:20:14Shannon Sharpe:I ain't buy none of that boy, Giant. I ain't buy none of it. For me, until somebody else come along, the three greatest receivers that I've ever seen, and I've seen a bunch of them, Jerry, I mean, look, so we just start, forget one, let's just start, go two home.

1:20:31Chad Johnson:Yeah. We can forget, we can forget number one.

1:20:35Shannon Sharpe:1 ,500 catches. the man had a thousand yard receiving Joe at 40 you know who got the second most receiving yards as a 40 year old Tom Brady what? Tom Brady got the second most receiving yards for a 40 year old it's hard to play that long Joe hey the organization they got to love you boy

1:21:02Chad Johnson:damn Jerry had a hundred yard Jerry had a 100-yard game at 42.

1:21:11Y 'all better go look at Jerry's numbers.

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