In short
Nightcap Hour 2 discusses the ESPN top-20 players list for the 2026 NBA Finals, previews a Knicks vs. Spurs matchup (bench contributions, defense, and role players), and covers sports news/viral clips plus off-court NBA drama.
Guests/backgrounds
No named guests appear in the transcript; it’s hosted by “Unc,” “Ocho,” and “Joe” (and references “Rachel Nichols” as a source for an update).
Key claims
Knicks’ defense limits Spurs to 95 points; Knicks have 3 of the top 5 players (Brunson, “Cat,” OG) and 4 of the top 10. Spurs need better home bench output (especially Harrison Barnes and Keldon Johnson). Rachel Nichols says Charles Oakley remains banned from Madison Square Garden amid ongoing litigation with James Dolan; Michael Jordan tried to broker peace but failed.
Notable examples
Harrison Barnes scoring (0,5,0,5,0,6 pattern mentioned); viral man vs woman lining-up/defense clip; Oakley’s 2017 removal from the Garden (carried out by security).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOESPN's Top 20 Players for 2026 Finals
0:59 to 11:08
Discussing ESPN's list of top players leading into the 2026 NBA Finals.
“Wimby at one Jalen Brunson at two Cat at three uh Stephon Castle at four OG at five Fox at six Mikael Bridges at seven uh Vassal Harper Champagny is eight nine ten and then you have Josh Hart Mitchell Robinson at 11-12.”
Predictions and Player Performances
11:08 to 14:00
Analyzing player performances and making predictions for the upcoming games.
“I'm expecting him to be more efficient with less turnovers.”
Soccer Culture Discussion
14:16 to 14:49
Exploration of soccer's cultural significance in the U.S.
“We go beyond the game to the people and the stories that make it great.”
Rebel Spirit Season 2 Overview
14:49 to 16:55
Discussion about the historical context and politics around race.
“Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is.”
Charles Oakley and James Dolan Beef
16:55 to 23:31
Update on the ongoing conflict between Charles Oakley and James Dolan.
“Rachel Nichols gave us an update on the Charles Oakley, James Dolan beef.”
Forgiveness vs Reconciliation in Personal Relationships
28:00 to 30:06
Explore the nuances between forgiving someone and reconciling the relationship.
“So, like I said, I've never asked Oak about it.”
Dual Personalities: The Balance Between Calm and Provocation
30:06 to 30:52
Discuss the concept of having dual sides to one's personality and how it affects interactions.
“honestly I'm glad we having this conversation I hope Joe don't have no bad feelings when you what?”
Viral Clip Reaction: Man vs Woman Sports Showdown
30:52 to 33:10
Reacting to a viral clip of a man and woman competing in a sports-like challenge.
“I'm just letting you know, because you keep barking up this tree, and I'm trying to be cool with you like I've always been.”
Analyzing Technique in Sports: A Breakdown
33:10 to 40:02
In-depth analysis of the techniques displayed in the viral sports video.
“The buzzing from the stadium, the chanting from the fans, the announcers calling the place.”
Transcript
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0:58Shannon Sharpe:heading into game one here are the ESPN's list of top 20 players in the 2026 NBA finals they had Wimby at one Jalen Brunson at two Cat at three uh Stephon Castle at four OG at five Fox at six Mikael Bridges at seven uh Vassal Harper Champagny is eight nine ten and then you have Josh Hart Mitchell Robinson at 11-12. And then you had Keldon Johnson at 13. And then you had Landry Schammett, Miles McBride at 14-15. Then you had Luke Cornett and Carter Bryant at 16-17. And then 18-19, you had Jose Alvarado and Jordan Clarkson at 20. You could have put anybody else in there and it would have been okay with me.
1:48Shannon Sharpe:Bismarck, Biambo, Kelly Olenek. I don't know how this guy made it.
1:54Chad Johnson:Harrison Barnes? There you go, Joe. You got to lay out Harrison Barnes. You got to lay out Harrison Barnes. At some point here, he's going to get him some good minutes in this damn series, man. Good minutes and do what? Ask Joe that. Even if he come in and give you five to seven points, Joe, he got to do something, bro. They're going to need something.
2:18Shannon Sharpe:Can you put up on my screen how many points did Hanson Barnes have scored in the last – they went seven games. He might not have seven points in seven games. And you told me that man might have to give you five points in a game. He might not have gave you five points in seven games.
2:34Chad Johnson:Oh, if you look at they bench, Kelton Johnson gave you three points tonight, one for four. And you had Harper, Dylan Harper with 16. Yeah. Outside of that, man, they get completely nothing. I mean, they don't get nothing from their bench, bro. Somebody got to come off that bench and help out.
2:53Shannon Sharpe:Well, Keldon Johnson – but you remember, Joe, game seven against Thunder, Keldon Johnson was big. He played really well.
3:01Chad Johnson:And you know what? He did, but he went against Check. Check couldn't guard him. Yeah. He opposed his will against Check. Check was – he was checked out, you know, in that game seven. New York is a different breed, bro. They got some guys who can guard, too. They got some big guys who can wall up, play big. You know, this ain't going to be no easy feat for the Spurs. They got lunch pail, hard hat guys. Yes, sir.
3:31Shannon Sharpe:That's what they got. But if you look at them, Joe, they kind of mirror each other. They do. Because all these guys, I mean, for the most part, your guys, your guards, with the exception of Brunson, will defend. You look at Josh Hart, he'll defend. Mikael Bridges will defend. So will Basil. So will Castle. So will Champagny. They'll defend. Miles McBride, he's known as a shooter. He gets up, he tries to defend. Landry Shammott used to be known as just an offensive player. But you look at this year, Landry Shammott said, you know what, I'm tired of bouncing around.
4:04Chad Johnson:Yeah.
4:05Shannon Sharpe:Let me get out here, and I got to be able to do something other than shoot because just shooting ain't giving me the minutes that I need. Right.
4:12Chad Johnson:Oh.
4:13Shannon Sharpe:Hey, he's fighting hard over picks now. Yeah, yeah, he's still – he's always been able to stroke it. When he was with the Clippers, I think he – wasn't he with Toronto at one time? I know he was with the Clippers. But he can shoot the ball. He's always been able to shoot the ball. Yeah. But he's found other ways to contribute. Again, we talked about it, other than scoring.
4:31Chad Johnson:Yeah, he's competing. He's competing. He played in Philly. He played in Philly. And you're right. It's not just about making shots at him. It's what we all love about sports. It's the competition, bro. It's competing at the highest level. Yeah, you may have a little advantage of me, but damn it, I'm going to fight as hard as I damn can. And I think that's what Shaman has been doing with the opportunity and minutes that he's been given. He showed up and he's showing out, bro. At the end of the day, he's out there to make shots. And when he's doing that, he's relieving pressure from guys like Brunson and Cat because he's making his guy play honest.
5:08Chad Johnson:The last thing you want to do if you guard him is to leave his ass open and give him wide open shots. You cannot help off him. And that's why you want him out there because he's going to create lanes and space for guys like Brunson to operate in.
5:26Shannon Sharpe:If you think about it, Joe, all those guys, for the most part, that come off the bench will make you pay. You can't help off him. You can't help off Shamit because you go down to help somebody or you come to try to double Brunson, they're going to make you pay.
5:45Chad Johnson:Yeah, look at Alvarado.
5:46Shannon Sharpe:You might get away with it once, but there's a good chance you won't get away with it the second or third time.
5:51Chad Johnson:Yeah, hey, look at Alvarado on seven points, four rebounds. He's the smallest guy on the damn floor just in 11 minutes. Like, you know, it's small increments like that, bro, contributions from different guys that add up to a whole bunch. And then at the end of the game, you look, the Knicks got 105, and they compete so hard, Uncle Ocho, that you hold the Spurs is 95 points. We got to get a Knicks credit, bro. When it comes defensively, they lock it down. They guard in their yard. One shot and we out. We ain't giving up a whole bunch of damn offensive rebounds. We out.
6:27Shannon Sharpe:Joe, Harrison Martin is averaging two points a game against the Thunder. He has 16 total points in seven games. And this man, Joe, talking about he might give you five to seven in one game. I ain't going to hold my breath, though, Joe.
6:41Chad Johnson:Hey, uh. He got faith. You're going to need some contributions from some different guys from unexpected places, bro. You know, to win a title. What's up?
6:55Shannon Sharpe:Joe is that type of guy. He's talking about the trickle-down effect. Now, we're going to put these people in the office and we're going to get them these huge tax cuts. And then they're going to hire some people. And the last time they did that, what they did, they got these huge tax breaks and they laid off 3 ,500 people. And they laid off 10 ,000 people. I ain't put no faith in that. Barnes gets OKC. In game one, he had zero points. In game five, in game two, he had five points. In game three, he had zero points. Game four, five, game six,
7:28Shannon Sharpe:whatever. So he had zero, five, zero, five, zero, six. So in seven games, he had four games in which he scored zero points.
7:42Chad Johnson:Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey. and if I'm playing you 12 minutes, I'll get Ocho. I need something from you. You got to give me something, bro. You got something from me. No, not no damn cardio. I ain't talking about that. You know what you wanted? No, no. We need something that's going to count on this damn scoreboard, man. Yeah.
8:02Shannon Sharpe:I just think, look, if you notice, Joe, in the top five, the Knicks got three of the top five players.
8:10Chad Johnson:They do.
8:11Shannon Sharpe:They got Brunson, got Cat, and OG. Yeah. They got three of the top five. It kind of evens out because you got Brunson, Cat, OG, and Bridges. So they got four of the top 10. Spurs got six of the top 10. So.
8:31Chad Johnson:But the Knicks still on the dog. Yep. Okay. Yep.
8:40Shannon Sharpe:I just think the thing is that you're right, Joe. Keldon Johnson got to give me a little something. I need a few more points. I just need a few more. I mean, look, obviously, sixth man of the year, there ain't going to be a likelihood. You might not get 16 because you're probably not going to get the minutes that you normally got in the regular season, Joe.
9:00Chad Johnson:Yeah.
9:02Shannon Sharpe:Because of the gravity of these games. so the thing is you're going to have to make do with the minutes that you got you can't complain about the minutes that you're getting you just got to maximize the minutes that you get and the only way to maximize those joe and on is when you do get in there i mean shot selection shot shot selection got to be on point if you don't got it you got to
9:23Chad Johnson:create and with these with the spurs being at home these first two games i just would expect they bench to be a lot better i would expect to be able to get some type of contribution from Harrison Barnes at home. I would. I would expect to get a few points from him. I mean, they needed it. They needed it tonight, bro. They needed another spark off that bench. And to win, you're going to need some unsung heroes. Y 'all know this, man. Y 'all know how the game go? Yeah, for sure. You need somebody who's going to kind of I ain't saying have an out-of-body experience, but he's going to have to contribute in more ways than one.
9:59Shannon Sharpe:You're right. But I got the Spurs winning game too. I still think it's going to go seven.
10:10Chad Johnson:Oh man. I tell you. Joe, you feel the same way too, Ron? I do feel the same way, but I can't lie to you and Unc and tell y 'all that I'm not a little nervous and if the Knicks win, we're going to have to put a muzzle on that damn boy. who i ain't gonna listen you don't you're not gonna have to put a muzzle on me for the simple fact i knew it was gonna happen like i knew about all the other playoff series i'm gonna i'm i'm gonna let y 'all talk you know and and and and give y 'all reasons on why things are happening you know why who's not playing well enough and why they're winning i mean it's just i listen man At some point, like my grandma used to say, I mean, hardhead make a soft ass.
10:58At this point, y 'all hardheaded.
11:00Shannon Sharpe:Well, I'm expecting the Spurs to play better on Friday night. I'm expecting Wimby to play better. I'm expecting him to be more efficient with less turnovers. I think those guys are going to be really, really aggressive coming out, but not overly aggressive, but you got to play smart. Sometimes you can play hard and not play smart, Joe. They go hand in hand.
11:22Chad Johnson:Yeah, it's just they dealing with a different animal, man, than that OKC team. See, that OKC team was shade-driven, you know, plus they had a lot of their key guys out. This damn Knicks team healthy, they physical, and that's a big team outside of Brunson. But, hell, he play a lot bigger than his damn size.
11:43Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he ain't got no small body.
11:47Chad Johnson:No, no, no.
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11:49Shannon Sharpe:He ain't got no AI body. He ain't got no Isaiah body. He ain't got no Steph Curry body. He ain't got no body like that. He got a body like a 6 '4 guy.
11:57Chad Johnson:Yeah, and to where he can still create space. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and get his opportunities. You know what I mean? I think that's the biggest difference, bro. You know, he ain't no one guy you can key on and try and double and trap because they got too many damn weapons. Number one hits, millions of records sold, awards, sold out tours. You think the Jonas Brothers are satisfied? Nope. It's podcast time. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Hey Jonas is available now and their first guest is a big one, Paul Rudd. You know, Steve Carell is a great singer.
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17:02Shannon Sharpe:Rachel Nichols gave us an update on the Charles Oakley, James Dolan beef. Adam Silva both say he and Michael Jordan tried their best to broker peace between Oakley and Dolan, but neither was successful. Oakley has been at the Knicks road game during these playoffs, but remains banned from the garden.
17:22Chad Johnson:Damn. I think there's ongoing litigation between Oak and Dolan.
17:30Shannon Sharpe:Excuse me. Yeah. Oak and Dolan. Yeah. And so I don't know if it's still ongoing. I think sometimes I read that he had filed something against them. So we'll see how it goes. But, man, I don't know what. Michael Jordan didn't play for the Knicks? you think James Dolan you might have came out better with Patrick Ewing and you know I think there was some tension between Oake and Ewing so with that being said Ocho you think somebody outside of the Browns gonna be able to talk to Mike Brown and say you know a player that didn't play for the Browns gonna be able to come to him and say well you know what hey man you know blah blah blah no that's all depending on who the player is now we talk about a figure like Michael Jordan who is well-respected from, you know, with players, former and current, coaches, GMs, owners, former and current, if there's a voice of reason who could probably get Dolan to listen, who's a very good friend of Oakley, which is why I can understand him trying to do his crap.
18:33Yes, I understand why too. To mend that relationship. Listen, y 'all talk about Dolan and Oakley, and I don't even know what the hell, I don't even know what happened.
18:41Shannon Sharpe:Let me ask you a question. As many times as Michael Jordan kicked the Knicks' ass out of the playoffs and kept them from going to the NBA Finals, You really think Dolan going to listen to him, huh?
18:52Chad Johnson:I think, listen, I just kind of piggyback what Ocho was saying. The fact that MJ and Oak are so close, probably figuring the fact that, man, maybe we can make amends if MJ, you know, probably helped out, you know, to some degree. But, hell, don't seem like Dolan nor Oakley, you know, they probably ain't looking for that. you don't become a billionaire
19:18Shannon Sharpe:by moving very easily off a square
19:25Shannon Sharpe:it's a different type of mindset and there are very many I'm trying to figure out there aren't very many billionaires that didn't have to step on or step over someone to get to that spot hold on you gotta step on a lot of people to get down you gotta step on a lot of people I don't think people understand what it takes in order to become a billionaire. You got to step on a whole, you got to step on a lot of people to get to attain that much value. And I commend the commission trying to broker a deal. I commend Jordan to try to intervene. Because Mike, look, if you notice, you see a lot of other former players at game.
20:09Shannon Sharpe:How many times have you seen Mike at a game? You see him at college at North Carolina. You see him golfing. You see him at NASCAR. I've seen Michael Jordan at NASCAR more times this year than I've seen him since he retired at an NBA game.
20:26Chad Johnson:Yeah. It's hard.
20:28Shannon Sharpe:The last time I saw Mike at something, the NBA function, what was it, Joe? The 75th anniversary team.
20:34Chad Johnson:Yeah.
20:35Shannon Sharpe:That's the last time I – now, I could be wrong because maybe he go to games, but it's hard for me to believe that Michael Jordan's going to show up at an NBA event and they don't put his ass on the screen and they don't show it. But Mike is like he don't really come around.
20:51Chad Johnson:Yeah, it's because he don't get no peace hell. He come to a game. Where the hell are you going to get peace at it wherever he go? At home. I'm going to be at home. Be at home with my wife and kids. I'm going to watch this shit at the house.
21:04Shannon Sharpe:Because you're right, Joe. You're right. And that's why I said I would never want that level of fame.
21:10Chad Johnson:Man. To where you can't go nowhere?
21:12Shannon Sharpe:You can't go nowhere. Where can he go? Like you said, Joe, he can't take the twins to an amusement park. He got to lock the whole park down. Or he got to buy the whole movie theater.
21:23Chad Johnson:Man. Because if not, you got to deal with a lot of their weird stuff. People already got their phones out filming you and you can feel it. You know what I mean? Hell, I know y 'all know what I'm talking about. And you got to travel.
21:33Shannon Sharpe:He got to travel. He could probably travel with at least what? Five, six security, Joe? yeah yeah hey you talk about y 'all don't like that kind of fame but i tell you one thing it's coming you hear me hey soon as soon as let me let me finish doing what i do you know i'm i'm the head of marketing and branding for nightcap y 'all do y 'all do y 'all part and i do i do my part on my end to make sure the world knows globally just yeah you just you sit tight you're gonna turn me into a bigger recluse.
22:04Shannon Sharpe:Man, I don't want that. To not be able to go anywhere. You can't go anywhere and then you always say, you got to come in through the back. You got to be in a side room. You ain't going to no mall. You not going to no event. I mean, you try to go to something for your kids and then it's hard for them to go to something for their kids because they're going to upstage the kids. Yeah, yeah. He ain't trying to do nothing. He just trying to sit there. Hey, listen. We deserve to know what that feels like. We deserve.
22:41I'm for real. Listen, we're going to be like the Beatles.
22:44Chad Johnson:You think you want that type of attention? Hey, Joe is like that right now. I can't go where I want to. Oh, Joe. Hey, Joe. They be throwing panties and bras at me. Screaming your name. Chill. What's your name? Huh? Yeah, Ocho. Hey, they be Ocho warning me. I'm like, chill, little mama. I'm with my girl. We're gonna pay the Ocho head. Hey. Yeah, they be throwing them at me at the airport, unk.
23:11Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, the mere fact that you're at the airport lets you know you're not at that level of fame. That man can't go to the damn airport. Hey, hey, hey, unk, listen. Listen, we gonna get this. Ocho. Joe and I want the fortune. We'll let you have the fame. Let me tell you something. I love when people say that. I love when people say that. But it's impossible to get the fortune without the fame. In order to get the fortune, you got to be famous. And the ones who had the... Let me finish. The ones who had the fortune, Uncle Joe, that great fortune, they didn't get it the right way. So you definitely don't want to go that route.
23:53And they got the complexion for the protection to be able to get the fortune.
23:57Shannon Sharpe:I guarantee you. That's a whole other conversation. I bring Rob Walton right up to you right now and shake your hand. You wouldn't know who that was. You're like, oh, who that white man is? Oh, yeah, I know Rob. You know, me and Rob go where you are. That man was$130,$140 billion. I want to be like that. I want to have that kind of money. I don't want to be like Bezos because everybody know Jeff Bezos. I know Jeff Bezos. And Zuckerberg and all these guys, Ellison and all those guys like that. I want to be somebody that's worth like five billion and don't nobody know. Like, damn. Yeah, that ain't like it.
24:30And you got to think about the percentage of people that have that kind of wealth and nobody knows. It's a lot of them though.
24:37Shannon Sharpe:It's more than you think. Because you look at, you look at, see we looking at like owners, baseball, basketball, football owners, or these popular guys, these tech guys that everybody know. You know, what's his name? Bill Gates. Who've been, you know, we kind of grew up with Bill Gates. Bill Gates was the first guy I ever knew that had a billion dollars. I'm like, a bitch, somebody got that kind of money? Right. But I'm talking about there are a lot of these guys, and some of these MBS, some of these guys like that, that you're like, they're overseas. You're like, man, that man worth 50 billion.
25:17Huh?
25:19Chad Johnson:or or or you or you born into that type of wealth yes yes that that that too that too so but you know it's it's it's a nasty business it's a nasty world if you really understood what what what people have to do to get to to amass that kind of wealth and and things you have to do to get to that it ain't it ain't pretty like i said i don't like i
25:41Shannon Sharpe:said i don't know the inner workings i know there was a situation that arose that um oak felt that he was unfairly removed from the garden and security had to become involved and and for whatever reason he and he and he and and dolan hadn't seen eye to eye for a very very long time and so uh i don't know if this thing's gonna be resolved anytime soon it seems like both both owner and player former player have dug their heels in and nobody seems to be willing to move out there square. It doesn't seem, I don't know. How long has it been? If we can get these two people in the room together and have an intelligent conversation where calmer heads and voices prevail.
26:19Shannon Sharpe:I don't know. But it's a shame that Oak's not able to go to the game because he loves the Knicks.
26:26Chad Johnson:Yeah.
26:27Shannon Sharpe:How long has it been, huh?
26:28Chad Johnson:It's been a couple years.
26:30Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, this thing happened. Oh, a couple years? But Ocho, you got it. No, it probably been about, I think this happened when I was at the, I was at Undisputed. so it's probably been about five, six years, Joe?
26:42Chad Johnson:Probably so. But the way...
26:44Shannon Sharpe:Ash, when did this incident happen?
26:46Chad Johnson:Ocho, the way that they remove Oak out the garden is probably why he can never forget him, bro. Like, what's it... Wait, what you mean the way they moved him out?
26:56Shannon Sharpe:They carried him out, man. Yeah, yeah. It was February of 2017, Joe. Damn. Yeah, it's always been a decade. They halted him.
27:05Chad Johnson:You say halted him, Joe? Man, they had about four, five security guys, yeah. They came over there and handled him real rough. Yeah. But that's disrespectful, Joe, especially for somebody that played in the garden and they know exactly who he is. Iconic as Oak is, bro, to not only New York. Just to New York. New York fans love Oak.
27:22Shannon Sharpe:Man, what? Because they know he's a lunch player, a hard hat guy. He ain't take no mess. He's going to take up for his players. He's going to play hard. He's going to do exactly what he's supposed to do. Yep. Blue collar. He's going to play defense. He's going to rebound the basketball. And you bring your ass down the line, he's going to hard foul the hell at you.
27:37Chad Johnson:He was the muscle. Yes. Hey, listen. In that case, in that situation, shouldn't Mr. Dolan come to his defense or was Mr. Dolan there when he played? Yeah. He's on the team forever. Okay, but he should have been the first one to come to Oak defense.
27:52Shannon Sharpe:No, I think because Oak believes that it was him that had it removed.
27:58Chad Johnson:Yeah. Okay, there's the disconnect.
28:01Shannon Sharpe:Okay, I get it. I get it. I get it. So, like I said, I've never asked Oak about it.
28:10Shannon Sharpe:I think like for me when Oak and I we see each other there's other things for us to talk about other than that situation mainly we going somewhere to grab a bite to eat when he's in Atlanta we going to Houston so we're going to talk and we talk basketball, talk football stuff like that but hopefully this thing gets amended and look I think the thing is Joe for me the way I look at it I can damn near forgive anybody I can I can not allow you to have my emotions held hostage.
28:42Chad Johnson:Yeah.
28:43Shannon Sharpe:But just because I can forgive you, that doesn't mean there's an error for reconciliation. Right. That doesn't mean I have to allow you back into this circle. That doesn't mean I have to allow you back at the table. I forgive you, bro. Okay, no problem, bro. Wish you all the best. Moving forward. None of that. But that don't ever, that doesn't mean, because sometimes people refuse. Man, but you don't. No, no, no, no. I forgave him. I forgave her.
29:08Chad Johnson:Yeah.
29:09Shannon Sharpe:But that doesn't mean that we have to go back to where we were.
29:12Chad Johnson:Hell no. We ain't going to never be kumbaya now. We ain't going to never be that no more. I'm with you. I'm with you. Man, you wrong me. I'm the same way, bro. I forgive you, but we ain't never kumbaya again. It's over with.
29:27Shannon Sharpe:You've already showed me what you think about me. How you feel about me. keep it moving bro no hard feelings because the way I look at it how when you met when you met TJ you met TJ at Spain right at Oregon State yeah 2000 2000 so you went 21, 22 years I tell people all the time how long you known him I went 30 years and didn't know who he was I'd go another 30 without him
30:01Chad Johnson:right
30:05that's a good one
30:10honestly I'm glad we having this conversation I hope Joe don't have no bad feelings
30:16Chad Johnson:when you what? when I show the people and give them this mean demonstration
30:22Shannon Sharpe:I hope he doesn't put a mean demonstration down on you I just hope we can still be friends we can still be colleagues and co-workers because I don't want to have to be Dolan and you Oakland.
30:32Chad Johnson:Hey, Ocho, you know what I noticed about you, bro? I noticed you like to bring that other side of me out. You know what I mean? I like to keep him tucked away. Hold on. You got two sides? Yeah. Yeah. And you like to bring that other side out, and I'm telling you, it ain't going to be good for you, partner. I'm just letting you know. Okay. I'm just letting you know, because you keep barking up this tree, and I'm trying to be cool with you like I've always been. But you're provoking me.
30:59Shannon Sharpe:So in other words, I might have, so in other words, I might, it might go back down to one, two, two, it might just be Unc and Ocho again, or it might be Unc and Iso.
31:08Chad Johnson:It gonna be damn sure Unc and Iso now. His ass gonna probably be gone when I get down with him. I'll tell you that now. Hey, hey, listen. Hey, let me tell you something. Hey, um, he's steadily, he's steadily calling himself a tree, not knowing I'm Paul Bunyan. You a chop? I'm chopping down, I'm chopping down everything. Hey, um. You hear me? Hey, um. Huh? Hey, now I don't need, I don't need the blue ox this time either. All I need is three minutes with his little ass on. Three? Three minutes, I promise you. Hey, Chad, I'm going to keep him around. I really don't need three, but I'm going to keep him around for y 'all.
31:39Chad Johnson:But I promise you, you're going to keep my name out your damn mouth, boy. Hey, you see the way you put up three? You see the way you put up three like that? Yeah. Huh? That's the sign. Hey, I see you, Damu. I see you. Most of the time, when you put up three, you do it like this. Since you put up like this, that let me know. Hey, that's what I said, homie. I see you. Hey, you gotta chill. Yeah. Hey, get up again one time, Joe. You gotta chill. Hey, what set you claiming, by the way? Yeah. Who, me? Oh, I ain't really no set. I ain't no set, Joe. I just, you know, I peep game. I peep game how you threw.
32:17You know, hey, when you throw up three, you know, most of the time people say three. But Joe, yeah, Joe did it like this. So it let me know, you know. Man, I threw up three like that in elementary hell.
32:27Chad Johnson:We don't throw them down three up like that. We usually like that. Hey, Joe, I see you. Yeah, like that, man. Three. Hey, Joe, Sue Wu, okay. Number one hits, millions of records sold, awards, sold out tours. You think the Jonas Brothers are satisfied? Nope. It's podcast time. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Hey, Jonas is available now, and their first guest is a big one, Paul Rudd. You know, Steve Carell is a great singer. Can you tell you not to audition for The Office or something? I told him. Whoa. We were filming Anchorman. Clearly, I was the idiot.
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37:24Okay.
37:25Shannon Sharpe:A video has gone viral of a man and a woman lining up. Let's take a look at this, guys. Lining up. Down. Oh, let's go. Booga boom. Oh, no. Come on, man. Oh, my goodness. You killed, you killed. On her hands, huh? On her hands. That's crazy. Hold on. I give her credit, man. I give her credit, Joe Ocho. Hey, I was going to say, I don't know who the young lady is, right? I like the spin move off the line, right? But she right there in your pocket. He just made a great putter. Great throw, great catch. She looked like she looking back for the ball and everything. The funny thing about it, Joe, is that's good defense.
38:10And you know the only thing that can be good defense is a great throw. Better throw. Great defense. That was a job.
38:16Chad Johnson:Hey, hey, hey, hey. You see she's trying to keep her contact and all that. Yeah. She got a technique right in it. Hey, I don't know who she is. She know something, though. She know something. She know something. That was a nice little rep.
38:30Shannon Sharpe:I mean, she got it right. As a matter of fact, huh? Look at what she did. She got the right hand so she can jump up like this. Yeah. Because you can reach farther like this, then you can like that. You said somebody. Hey, she's playing it correctly.
38:41Chad Johnson:You said somebody taught her something, huh? Somebody taught her something. Hey, somebody did something, Joe. The funny thing about it is she looking back for the ball and then he didn't panic. No. Most of the time, obviously I know it's not a real situation, but most of the time when you see these, they panic and they run into the player or the pass in the field. Grab and do something. She right there. She got one arm out. You don't see her with the arm out feeling where it is. Right.
39:05Shannon Sharpe:Like I said, this one hand that she's going to try to knock the ball down with because she can extend it. That's what a lot of people don't realize, Joe, is that if you played it like this, look out, this is as far as I can go, as opposed to this. That's the thing, and I give her kudos. Like I say, hey, she did something. She played something in high school. She played some kind of sports. Hold on. To move like that against somebody like that? That was in Atlanta, too. That's where the Braves play. What's the middle section right where the stadium is, Joe? I know what you're talking about.
39:39Chad Johnson:And Suntrust? That was it. Yeah. Yeah, that was it. Yeah, I think that was it. The little grassy part where all the kids are playing. Oh, she, like I said, yeah, she got a little game, okay? Hey, that's a hell of a - Hey, oh, you ain't been to the Braves in the stadium? I haven't. Man, that's a hell of a stadium, bro.
39:57Shannon Sharpe:I need to check it out. Oh, Joe, I heard the food. I heard the food is bang, bang.
40:00Chad Johnson:Oh, man, I heard it. Hey, hey, hey, hey. I only heard it one time. I think that's SunTrust or I'm not sure. Hey, I heard it. What'd you say, old Joe? I said it looked like it. I could be wrong. Nah, I think that's Atlanta. But hey, I heard the fool was good. I heard it's high as hell too, though. That's okay. I mean, I'm with you. What would you?
40:22Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I'm with you.
40:26Shannon Sharpe:Anytime I'm in Atlanta, it's on you. Anytime you're in Vegas, it's on me.
40:29Chad Johnson:All right, man, man. I'm going to Vegas soon. Hey, hold on. Hold on. Hey, when we going? Huh? I say when we go to Vegas. I got to hit on some, we really got a real sit down. We got a, you know what I mean? Yeah. Okay, so hold on. I thought it was real.
40:50Shannon Sharpe:We got some paperwork to sign. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, sometimes the way you react will be too an impossible.
40:55Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah. You know, I can't say the fool. What's up? Yeah, hey, I tell you what, y 'all meet up and don't invite me, but it's going to be two asses this morning. You hear me?
41:09Shannon Sharpe:I don't know about you Joe but sometimes some ass whipping you just gotta be willing to take
41:13Chad Johnson:now damn man we gonna whoop his ass damn man hey you know that'd be some funny joke hey what if we make TMZ cause y 'all gonna whoop your ass
41:24Shannon Sharpe:yeah we jumping yeah
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