Nightcap Hour 2: Hawks PUT Trae Young on TRADING BLOCK + James Dolan says KNICKS are a CHAMPIONSHIP team + LeBron continues to BEAT FATHER TIME + Bleacher Reports MOST OVERRATED NBA players + Tua wants FRESH START

6 Jan 2026 · 1 h 16 min · 28 chapters

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In short

NBA trade and title talk plus LeBron’s longevity, Bleacher Report’s overrated list, and NFL/college football updates.

Guests

No named guests appear in the provided transcript. The hosts are Joe and Ocho (referred to as “Uncle Ocho” and “Joe”).

Key claims

  • Hawks are discussing a Trae Young trade because they won’t pay his max-dollar number; they’d rather “turn the page” with Jalen Johnson and other emerging pieces.
  • A “winning” fit for Trae is hard for small guards because defense and team construction matter.
  • Knicks owner James Dolan says the current Knicks roster can reach and win the NBA Finals if they stay healthy.
  • LeBron (41) claims he has “no holes in my game,” attributing effectiveness to evolution/IQ rather than athleticism; his shooting/FT numbers are down but he still impacts games.
  • Bleacher Report’s “most overrated” rankings are debated; LaMelo is defended, Michael Porter Jr. is defended, and others are questioned.

Notable examples

  • Hawks: Jalen Johnson’s 24/10.2/8.5 production; acquisition of Killa Alexander-Walker (20 ppg).
  • Knicks: depth and defenders like OG Anunoby, Mikal Bridges, Josh Hart, and Mitchell Robinson.
  • LeBron: moved into 2nd on the all-time assists list vs. Chris Paul; referenced 121-114 win over the Grizzlies.
  • NFL: Russell Wilson reportedly disclosed a grade 2 hamstring tear after a practice; Tua Tagovailoa wants a “fresh start” after being benched late in the season.

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Trae Young's Trade Situation

3:17 to 7:08

Discussion on Trae Young's potential trade from the Hawks and its implications.

“According to Shams, four-time NBA All-Star Trey Young and his agent are working with the team on a trade.”

Challenges for Small Guards in the NBA

7:09 to 14:01

Exploration of the difficulties small guards face in achieving success in the NBA.

“But out of anything, I know you want to get paid.”

The Evolution of NBA Offenses

14:01 to 16:49

Explore how modern NBA teams differ from past teams in offensive structure.

“All defenders, and he was the only offense.”

Trae Young's Future in the League

16:50 to 19:11

Discuss potential outcomes for Trae Young if he changes teams.

“That place he can go and get those numbers.”

James Dolan's Confidence in the Knicks

19:12 to 22:35

Analyze James Dolan's statements about the Knicks' chances this season.

“RGN declares it's electrifying action cinema and popcorn entertainment to the max.”

Assessing Team Depth and Performance

22:36 to 28:00

Evaluate the current performance and depth of the Knicks and other NBA teams.

“Joe, the New York Knicks owner James Dolan in a rare radio interview says the Knicks can win the NBA Finals as constructed.”

Discussion on Player Performance and Roles

28:00 to 28:32

Insights on various players' contributions and roles in their teams.

The Impact of Personal Life on Performance

28:32 to 29:24

How personal relationships can influence a player's game and mindset.

“She held me down, and he said the same thing.”

LeBron James's Evolving Game

29:24 to 30:22

Analysis of LeBron's adaptation and skill development over the years.

“He said Dirk can't shoot the three better than him.”

LeBron's Current Performance and Longevity

30:22 to 32:18

Discussion on LeBron's current stats and the challenges of aging in sports.

“That has allowed him to help the Lakers be successful this season.”
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The Mental Game vs. Physical Ability

32:18 to 34:26

Exploring the transition from physical reliance to mental strategy in sports.

“He lets the game kind of come to him now.”

NBA Medical Benefits and Player Welfare

34:26 to 35:38

Insights into the medical benefits players receive and how it compares across sports.

“You play four years in the league, your family get it.”

LeBron's Legacy and Expectations

35:38 to 36:34

Discussing the high expectations for LeBron compared to other players.

“You get to take it any five years you want to.”

Debating the Most Overrated NBA Players

42:36 to 45:23

The hosts discuss Bleacher Report's rankings of the NBA's most overrated players.

“Number three was Jerry McClain, the 76ers.”

Russell Wilson's Injury and Commitment

45:24 to 46:45

The conversation shifts to Russell Wilson's commitment to playing through injuries.

“Yo, we done gave you your basketball talk.”

Tua's Future and Contract Implications

46:46 to 54:26

The hosts analyze Tua's potential need for a fresh start and the complexities of his contract.

“Hey, that little hamstring, you're going to have to take this thing up, but you think I'm going to squander this opportunity and sit over here because I got a hurt hamstring?”

NIL Contracts and College Football Evolution

54:27 to 56:00

The discussion covers the impact of NIL contracts on college football players' earnings.

“Ocho, Texas Tech new quarterback one Brandon Soresby will be reportedly earned more in one season of NIL than the value of Shadur's contract, Shadur Sanders' entire four-year rookie contract.”

The Changing Landscape of College Sports

56:00 to 1:01:10

Discussing the impact of the transfer portal and financial incentives on college athletes.

“Trinidad Chambliss is replying for a hardship.”

World Cup Memories and Favorites

1:01:10 to 1:03:00

Sharing personal experiences and favorite World Cup moments, highlighting memorable players.

“it's time for Q and A huh I miss her Elpray 98 the Holy Ghost Whispers done told me everything's gonna be alright.”

Advice for Aspiring Podcasters

1:03:00 to 1:06:52

Offering insights and advice for those looking to start a sports podcast.

“You see, we about to hit, you know, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday.”

Relationships and Life Lessons

1:06:52 to 1:10:00

Reflecting on personal experiences in relationships and the lessons learned from them.

“And always, let me see how I say this the right way without being respectful.”

Reflecting on the Past

1:10:00 to 1:11:40

The hosts share personal stories and experiences from their pasts.

“That's why I say boy, it scarred you a little bit, but that's okay.”

Discussion on NFL Quarterbacks

1:11:40 to 1:13:40

The hosts analyze the evolution of quarterback play and its impact on the game.

“Nah, you good, you good, you good, you good.”

Debating Team Performance and Coaching

1:13:40 to 1:15:30

The hosts discuss coaching decisions and performance issues of NFL teams, particularly the Lions.

“They could drop their body weight on Lamar.”

Analyzing Player Impact and Trades

1:15:30 to 1:17:50

The hosts speculate on player trades and their impacts on various NBA teams.

“You got, but a lot of those guys, the secondary was injured.”

MVP Candidates and Their Seasons

1:17:50 to 1:22:10

The hosts debate who should be the MVP of the NFL based on current performance.

“Unk, Ocho, who's the best head coach for Jackson Dart in New York?”

Coaching Influence and Player Development

1:22:10 to 1:24:00

The discussion revolves around the importance of coaching in player careers.

“Man, Shaq 7-1 can shoot the ball like Steph and be dominant like he was.”

Discussion on NFL Coaching Changes

1:24:54 to 1:26:10

The hosts discuss recent coaching changes across several NFL teams.

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3:16Shannon Sharpe:All right, Joe. According to Shams, four-time NBA All-Star Trey Young and his agent are working with the team on a trade. Young's rep and the Hawks general manager, Ansi Salah, have reportedly begun positive and collaborative talks over the past week on finding a resolution. The Hawks and Young agents have maintained dialogue over the future of his future over the past several months. Since the franchise elected not to offer the contract extension to a 27-year-old guard, Young has this season and next at$95 million total on the deal with a player option in the offseason. Young has been the face of the franchise since he was drafted in 2018 and since as the team's all-time leader in three-pointers and assists.

4:03Shannon Sharpe:He has led Atlanta to the postseason three times in his eight years, including a run in the Eastern Conference Finals in 2021. But the Hawks appear poised to turn the page to a new era with the emergence of Jalen Johnson, who's averaging 24 points a game, 10.2 rebounds, an 8.5 assist, and free agent acquisition to kill Alexander Walker, who's averaging a career-high 20 points. Joe, what is the best trade scenario for the Hawks and Trey at this point? I've been hearing a lot.

4:40Chad Johnson:I'm honestly I don't know what's the best trade scenario but due to you know Nakia Alexander you know he stepped up he's been playing I mean he's having a career season you get guys like Vic come off the bench the Daniels kid who's been playing Dyson Daniels but I think we run into kind of a similar situation that Dallas ran into they didn't want to pay Luka no 300 million and I think this is kind of similar. I don't think that the Hawks don't want Trey. I just don't think they want him at that max dollar number. You know what I mean? So instead of probably letting him just walk, they're going to have to trade him.

5:23Chad Johnson:They're going to have to trade him and get some value for him. I'm with the players, bro. I want guys to get their money, and at the end of the day, I know Trey want to get paid, so I'm sure they're going to figure out a situation to put him in to where he can still thrive, do his thing, and get paid at the end of the day.

5:42Shannon Sharpe:The problem that they're going to run into, Joe and Ocho, is that teams are going to be unwilling to give up young pieces for you to get back because he wants to go to a situation where he can win. It'll be like, if you're not careful, you're like Carmelo. Carmelo left the Nuggets to go to the Knicks, but the Knicks had to give up all the pieces to get him. We got there, there was nothing. This is not a situation where, you know, like a KD. KD walked into the Golden State. They still had Klay. They still had Steph. They still had Draymond. They still had Livingston. They still had pieces around.

6:22Shannon Sharpe:When you trade All-Star, I mean, normally you have to – you got to strip it down. And who wants to be stripped down and go into that situation?

6:32Chad Johnson:Man, I've been – I mean, I can only go off the things I've been seeing and hearing. But I've seen him going to the Wizards for C.J. McCollum just because the contracts work out and C.J. will be on the expiring contract, so the Hawks will probably take him. But you never know. I'm telling you, it's going to be some big moves made around here, man, come February in the NBA. It's going to be some big names that's going to be moved. And at the end of the day, bro, But just Trey got it. He got to stay strong in faith, bro. Keep his head right. But I know you want to get paid. But out of anything, I know you want to get paid.

7:13Shannon Sharpe:Because he's looking at it like, man, I done been to four All-Star games. I've been an All-NBA selection. I've led the league in assists. I've been a 2010 guy. Numerous a time. Yeah, I've had a career high. I think I've averaged 27, 28 points a game while averaging double-digit assists. and I see guys getting$250,$300 million. I want my slice of it. And I can't say that I blame him. Yeah, I don't either. But who is going to – where can he get that? Because I don't – I mean, for you to win with a small guard as your lead guy, it ain't happen very often. It doesn't happen very often. I mean, if you go back and you look at Steph, you look at Isaiah Thomas, Iverson.

8:07Shannon Sharpe:I mean, when you look at it, I mean, Iverson lost to Shaq. It ain't no shame in losing to Shaq and Kobe when you're a one-man show. But for the most part, small guards, you're not winning with them, Joe. You're not six foot – I mean, if Trey lucky to be six. Six-foot guards in today's game? Yeah

8:28Chad Johnson:Yeah, today's game is a little different You playing positionless basketball These dudes It's not necessarily A handful of teams who really have a center On their team The rest of them playing with like-sized guys Who are very interchangeable And can play multiple positions You know what I mean? And the Hawks kind of have that And they've been pretty successful You know, in playing those big lineups So, I mean it's unfortunate bro but they i'm sure they probably gonna end up trading i just hope he goes to a situation that's suitable for him but for a winning situation okay ocho i don't know i don't either go ahead he can go ahead i was gonna ask no i know i'm getting my basketball knowledge on so i've been watching a little bit seeing what's going on with the nba understanding the landscape and when i look at it even though he's short and what he does i know he's a liability on defense but what about what he brings for you offensively his offensive production is much much higher than than most at his position even though he is short wouldn't that be advantageous for a team to be able to be able to trade for him but based on what he can do offensively even though he's a liability on defense i think offensively ocho i don't have no problem with him offensively because he makes guys around him better you know what i mean he's a guy who can go out there and get you 30 he can go get you 15 17 assists with it you know what i mean so he gonna have he can make guys around him better i think it's more so the defensive end that uh the team's gonna have to kind of make up you know what i mean but i think he's a hell of a player bro and i've been watching for quite some time and like i said these guys have made quantum leaps and bounds meaning the atlanta hawks but i just feel like with trey out there bro i thought that he would bring an element to him that they all will still thrive.

10:20Chad Johnson:I've been watching the games when he's been playing and they just hadn't been resulting in the wins. They've been putting up monster numbers, bro. I got a question. I got a question, too. You got Jabberon, right? Yeah. You got Trae Young. My young bull, New York Knicks. Boy, God. Brunson. Now, if I'm not mistaken, is Brunson like this elite elite defender but he's a score in John Morant an elite defender

10:55Shannon Sharpe:but he's a score elite defenders around him you look at what Josh Hart you look at OG you look at Mitchell Robinson Mikael Bridges you see what they surrounded him with elite defenders you look at what they had in Memphis They had Dylan Brooks. They had Jackson III. You had a Steven Adams, and now you got an Edie. So, yeah, but see, the thing is, it's hard to win when you got three or four defenders on there, unless you got guys like OKC. But those guys can score and defend. And the thing is, if they understand, this is Shea's team. J-Dub is number two. Chet's number three. everybody understands the pecking order.

11:46Shannon Sharpe:And it's like when we come in, if we want to get shots, we got to defend at an elite level.

11:52Chad Johnson:Yeah. They defense create offensive opportunities. Yeah.

12:00Shannon Sharpe:Shea's taking the most shots. Shea's mostly – if they play 82 games, the games that Shea play, he's going to take the most shots damn near every night. Right. No matter what. So you understand that. But it's just hard. You look at Luka, another one. And see, the problem is, if it's a nip-tuck ball game, I'm putting Trey in the pick-and-roll every night. The whole night in clutch time, the last five minutes of the ball game, the game within five points, Trey Young asses in pick-and-roll. Luka Doncic asses in pick-and-roll. Austin Reed's asses in pick-and-roll. Yeah. it's almost damn unfair that you these players that are that give you such high volume and such high offensive output it's almost like they villainized for being able to do it because something has to give you can't be both on you can't be great on both ends of the floor yes you can i mean hey joe it's only so many i know i know it's only so many but ocho

13:03Chad Johnson:I think that the effort, the energy and effort has to be there. Like Joe said, it's effort. You got to want to play defense. Man, you got to play defense, bro. Like, you got to want to do that. You know what I mean? Like, that's got to be kind of in you. And it's hard to find, bro. It's hard to find guys who really want to defend. Everybody so caught up in scoring the basketball, making a sweet pass. But you ain't going to never find a lot of dudes who want to pick up full court and get down and dirty and play defense, bro. That's hard to find.

13:31Shannon Sharpe:Because those guys don't get max contracts to do that. The Shades get max contracts. The Lucas, the Jokic's, the Giannis's, those guys get the max contract. The Jason Tatum's, those are the guys that get the max contract. So, Ocho, it's just like wide receivers. Who gets the max contract? Guys that catch the football, not blockers. They catch the football, not the blockers, yeah. Yeah, I got you.

13:57Chad Johnson:Hey, look, you look at them teams that Iverson played on, that Philly team, it was all - All defenders, and he was the only offense. And he was the only one out there going haywire. He could shoot every shot he wanted to. You know what I mean? You need somebody to take the ball out for him.

14:11Shannon Sharpe:Somebody got to take the ball out, Ocho. Dikembe wasn't trying to get no shots. You can't play like that nowadays. Tyrone Hill wasn't trying to get no shots. Eric Snow wasn't trying to get no shots. McKee wasn't trying to get - Hey, nah, your job is to get the ball off the glass and pitch it back out to me if I miss. Hey, you laughing.

14:33Chad Johnson:Hey, Ocho, you laughing, but he had all blue-collar workers, bro. I'm talking about dudes doing all the dirty work. All the dirty work.

14:41Shannon Sharpe:Man, that's crazy.

14:42Chad Johnson:You can't play like that nowadays.

14:44Shannon Sharpe:It's over with. Nah, that money done got... Look, I think guys want to win, but I think guys want to get paid more. I want to win, Ocho and Joe, but I want to win trying to get me 25 and 7. Can I do that? I ain't really trying to win to get 10. And see, the thing is, it's going to be hard, Ocho, because it's just like anything. How you ask a receiver to go from catching 100 balls, 90, 100, 110 balls, all of a sudden, we need you to catch 50. But you're going to win. Man, damn, damn.

15:16Chad Johnson:Right.

15:19Shannon Sharpe:Now, if you get him coming in, and that's what he's used to, he cool with it.

15:24Chad Johnson:Right.

15:25Shannon Sharpe:But you didn't let him, Trey Young get the average 27 points and 10, 11 assists. You don't let him get to the All-Star game, being all NBA selection, averaging 25, 27. And now all of a sudden you say, now we need you to average 18, but we need to play a little – oh, no. Yeah.

15:42Chad Johnson:But I think wherever he do go, I think he's going to thrive, though. He's going to get back to that 25, 27 points a game, 11 assists, wherever he go because he's probably gonna have to go play with a bunch of young guys if i'm just keeping it 100. yeah he he gonna pull up from anywhere i just think it's gonna be hard

16:03Shannon Sharpe:for him to be in a winning situation and play the style that he used to playing

16:10Shannon Sharpe:yeah yeah we'll see it's hard man it's hard uh a six one now kd change teams okay you know what KD is. KD is extremely efficient. KD don't need somewhere between 12 and 17 shots to get you 30. Giannis is efficient because Giannis is Euro-stepping and he dunking. Every once in a while, he'll get hot and hit turnarounds. But you know what you're getting with those guys. It's hard, man. It's just hard. And I feel bad because you look at it the way the landscape is around the league. I'm trying to look where he can go and be in a winning situation and still be himself. That place he can go and get those numbers.

16:53Shannon Sharpe:But I don't know if you're going to be able to challenge for a championship.

16:59Chad Johnson:I mean, he can go to a winning situation. It may not be 25-10. He may go. About 20, 20-8. But I just feel like because even though he's so great at handling the basketball and making plays for himself and others, I feel like he can play off the ball as well. Like I've seen him play. I've seen multiple games this year to where he's had, you know, big scoring nights, you know, playing off Jalen Johnson versus Jalen Johnson playing off him as well. So it's kind of, it's like, it's just the games that they've played. They haven't been winning.

17:33Shannon Sharpe:You know what I mean? The worst thing to happen is that he got injured and they got a long, extensive look at Jalen Johnson. They got a long, extensive look at those other guys. Ocho, that's why starting quarterbacks don't like to get no backups, no reps. Peyton ain't letting nobody get no reps. Tom wasn't letting nobody get no reps. Drew wasn't letting anybody get the damn reps. I know how I got my black ass on the field. Oh, excuse me, my white ass on the field. Because somebody let me get a look. I ain't trying to do that. So him being out hurt him, but it was a blessing for the Hawks because they're like, hold on.

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18:12Shannon Sharpe:I don't know if Jalen Johnson would have been able to do this if Trey's healthy because Trey's going to dominate the ball, Joe, and he's going to have the ball in his hands, and I don't know if Jalen Johnson is going to have the ball in his hands. I don't know if these other guys are walkers. I don't know if they're going to be able to do what they do.

18:31Chad Johnson:I think Walker's been the biggest surprise. Uncle Ocho, he averaged eight points last year a game in Minnesota. That man averaging 20 points a game. I'm talking about efficient. And he came up with pitch. is he still coming up to pitch? He's starting now, Joe. Nah, he's starting. He's starting now. He's starting now. He's balling. He's doing his thing, man. They got a multitude of dudes that's really getting to it over here, playing great, probably having career years as well. So I guess they're going to kind of ride it out, see whatever they're going to try to add.

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22:36Shannon Sharpe:Joe, the New York Knicks owner James Dolan in a rare radio interview says the Knicks can win the NBA Finals as constructed. I'd say we want to get to the Finals and we should win the Finals. This is sports. Anything can happen. Getting to the Finals, we absolutely have to do. Winning the Finals, we should do. Look how far we got with our group last year. And look at who we're playing and who wasn't. We're going into the second half of the season. Josh Hart is still out. Landry Shammott is coming back. We got depth. We stay healthy. We'll get into the playoffs in a much better condition than last year.

23:09Joe, do you believe the Knicks that's currently constructed

23:14Shannon Sharpe:can get to and win the NBA championship?

23:18Chad Johnson:I think they can get to the finals, Uncle Ocho. You know, like the key word is that he said was staying healthy. You know, you got to stay healthy, man. The playoffs is a different atmosphere. It's a different pace and game. Guys playing extra hard. So, you know, you got to stay healthy. But at the same time, man, you got to look at the Pistons, the Celtics, who we didn't even think was going to even be in the running.

23:41Shannon Sharpe:Jalen Brunson.

23:42Chad Johnson:I mean, Jalen Brown.

23:44Shannon Sharpe:Ooh, JB.

23:44Chad Johnson:Jalen Brown, yeah. Got a 50-peat last night. Average of damn near 30. Yeah, ever since he stopped putting that airbrush in there. Yeah, yeah, he let it go. Yeah, he been getting to it. So, yeah, I think the Knicks got a chance, man. They definitely got a chance. They got mollywhopped in Detroit tonight, but I think they definitely got a chance, man. They got a chance.

24:06Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I agree. I like the Sixers, but I just don't know if Geraldine B. will ever be what Geraldine B. once was. Because Tyrese Maxx and Edgecombe, they balling. They balling, man. Whoo, Tyrese Maxey.

24:20Chad Johnson:I like that. Should be an all-star. Yeah, should. He is. He going to be an all-NBA. They may have him 30 a game. He getting at it. Yeah. Maxey. Yeah. It don't matter if Embiid play or not, though. He getting to it. I don't know if they can get to the championship without Embiid. I don't know if they can contend because they need Embiid. Yeah, they need him. They need him. They need him. If he can somehow, you know, stay healthy throughout the playoffs and just be there to where, like, because even when he's been playing Uncle Ocho, he's still been giving them anywhere from 20 to 25 a night now.

24:54Chad Johnson:Yeah. And B has. Easy.

24:56Shannon Sharpe:Right now, the Pistons, 27 and 9. The Celtics are 23 and 12. They're in second place. The Knicks are 23 and 13. The Raptors, 22 and 15. The Sixers are 19 and 15. Orlando Magic was 20-16 The Heat 20-16 The Cavaliers are 20-17 I don't know what happened to the Cavaliers this year What happened Joe?

25:24Chad Johnson:You know because I look at Mobley I think Mobley He gotta go up another level or two For me, Uncle Ocho To help Donovan I know Darryl Garland been hurt and I think he stubbed that big toe the other night. So I think the injury is going to always linger with him. But Donovan need help, man. He needs something. He's going to need another guy who can come along and help tote this wagon. Yeah. I don't know. Cleveland, it might be over with that. It might be over with for that, man. And Donovan still – they didn't sign Donovan to a long-term deal, have they? I think he's still on the –

26:07Shannon Sharpe:I think he's feeling that Utah deal.

26:11Chad Johnson:Is he?

26:12Shannon Sharpe:I think so.

26:13Chad Johnson:I think Donovan probably want to go somewhere else anyway. Do you want to go to the Knicks? Yeah, that's where he want to go. You said Miami? Nah. Hold on. How are you going to go to the Knicks and Brunson there? What are you going to run to?

26:27Shannon Sharpe:He need the ball in his hand. They don't fit. Well, he can't go to the Knicks. He's trying to get you last summer. What did he get? inside a three-year 150.

26:45Shannon Sharpe:Oh, yeah. That was last year?

26:51Shannon Sharpe:No, he ain't Brunson because he needs the ball. Yeah. Brunson needs the ball.

26:59Chad Johnson:The Knicks got a chance.

27:00Shannon Sharpe:They do. They do.

27:01Chad Johnson:They got a chance.

27:02Shannon Sharpe:They got depth. I know they riding. You got guys that can defend. You got Mikel Bridges. You got OG. You got Josh Hart, who can defend. You get guys, Miles McBride, off the bench. You got Jordan Clarkson off the bench that can score points in a bunch. You got Mitchell Robinson that can defend the paint. And Cat. Cat. Cat, you know. Cat on a given night can go get your 40. I just wish sometimes he stopped shooting threes and get his big butt down on the block at seven foot tall. But, hey.

27:33Chad Johnson:And you know They still hung over from the end season Tournament that they won too So I know they feeling good about that Hold on Y 'all mentioned about the players that The actual starters That can get you points and what they can do What about the bench?

27:49Shannon Sharpe:They got Miles McBride, Jordan Clark Mitchell Robinson They got guys that can come up the bench Defend the paint You know McKell Bridges gonna play down there 45 minutes well hopefully Mike Brown don't play him like Tim's there because he's playing them guys 42 minutes in the regular season yeah nah he got it Mike Brown got it down he ain't having that over there I forgot Jordan Clarkson was over there in New York so he's a guy that can come off and give you instant offense off the bench Miles McBride is instant offense off the bench Mitchell Robinson now he's a defender but he'll get you double digit rebounds he might have 6 points 15 rebounds but that's what you need you need somebody to protect the paint that's what that's all you need cat cat is gonna be cat now he's in a much better headspace now look he got engaged recently so normally that normally a guys normally go to a new level when they get when they get doing they get that someone solid in their life now they've been together for a minute uh and remember talking to him i mean he was like you know this is my best friend when i went through my worst time you know the passing of his mother, she was there.

28:56Shannon Sharpe:She held me down, and he said the same thing. And I think her father had passed in the family, and he was there for her. So I'm happy for Cat. I like Cat. I just wish she stopped shooting so many threes. Other than that, I got no issue with Cat.

29:13Chad Johnson:He ain't going to do that. He said he's the best shooting big man that ever lived. Why is Dirk at it this? Dirk. Dirk Nowitzki. What do you mean where he is? He and he and Dallas. I know what I'm saying. Did he not exist? He said Dirk can't shoot the three better than him. I'm just telling you what the man said now.

29:40Shannon Sharpe:I don't know. It's hard for me to take somebody over Dirk when I saw Dirk in his prime. I played against him in his prime. I ain't talking about the last three years of Dirk. I'm talking about Dirk a year. I mean, yeah. Yeah, I'm talking about when you're getting to that money.

29:54Chad Johnson:I'm talking about the only thing you can do is hold your hand up and hope he missed. Yeah, that was it.

30:02Shannon Sharpe:And we ain't even mentioned Yoke yet, but we're going to let that slide. Despite recently celebrating his 31st birthday and his 23rd NBA season, LeBron James thinks his game is still as strong as it's ever been. Speaking to reporters after Sunday's 121-14 win over the Grizzlies, LeBron said, I don't have any holes in my game. That has allowed him to help the Lakers be successful this season. That statement came after LeBron moved into second place in the NBA all-time assist list when you combine the regular season and playoff games surpassing Venanamo partner Chris Paul. But you have to look when LeBron didn't have an outside game when he got to the league.

30:45Shannon Sharpe:In order for you to play a long time When the game has evolved, you have to evolve and adapt with it. He's been able to do that. Yeah. He was mainly a downhill guy. He went to Kim. He went to Houston. He got that turnaround. He got better at the three. Now, his three is a little off this year. He's shooting 30 % when he was a career, I think, 35 % shooter. I think last year he was like 37%. So this year his free throws are down. His free throws are under 70 % when I think he shot 78 % last year. But you got to realize you're asking him to do something that he really hadn't done his whole career, and that's play off the ball.

31:26Shannon Sharpe:LeBron normally has the ball in his hands. The majority of the time, Luka or AR will have the ball in their hands. So he's having to reinvent himself in year 23 at the right age of 41. Does he have the athleticism that he had in his 20s? No. Does he have the athleticism he had in his early to mid-30s? No.

31:50Chad Johnson:But he still got some, though.

31:51Shannon Sharpe:He still can get downhill when he wants to. He just can't get down as consistently as he once could. He still hit that turnaround jumper, and if that turnaround jumper is falling, you're at his mercy.

32:02Chad Johnson:But the thing is, Ocho, he playing from the shoulders up. Yes. While the rest of these dudes playing from the shoulders down. See, his IQ for the game is so high. he's so intelligent as a player that he's always going to be effective. He knows how to affect the game. He lets the game kind of come to him now. Sometimes he's a little bit more aggressive, but for the most part, he kind of feels the game out, and he kind of brings what he feels is needed in order for them to get over the hump. It's still impressive to watch him play, man. He still looks like he's in great shape. And for me, that's probably the biggest key, Arkin Ocho, because once you get up in age, it's hard to keep that weight off you.

32:42Chad Johnson:It is. Hey, who are you telling? Look. I think it is, Joe.

32:50Shannon Sharpe:It's also hard.

32:56As you get older, the biggest thing that I noticed when I got older,

33:00Shannon Sharpe:I just couldn't do it with the same frequency as I once could. I could have a big game. But I wasn't going to put them things. I wasn't going to be stringing them together. but LeBron used to go 30, 30, 30, 30, 40, 30, 25, 28. Now it's 17, it's 8, 26, 28, 15. It's just as you get older, you just can't – your body just – and you still got the same mind. Yeah.

33:29Chad Johnson:But you know what it is? He don't be pressing out there. No. You know, he looks for those other guys to get those other guys involved to where the game can become easier for him. You know what I mean? So I think it's just as impressive to watch him nowadays than it was when he was younger because when he was younger, he was all athleticism. He was using that to the T. Now he's just outsmarting these guys now, man.

33:55Shannon Sharpe:And that's what happens. You have to evolve. You have to play the game with your mind because you lose athleticism. And when you're so reliant on that, when that goes, what can you do? That's why it's so hard. for speed guys to play. I mean, that's why I tell you, work on your technique. Because you're not going to be as fast. You're not going to be as strong. You're not going to be able to jump as high. But that technique, being able to get in and out of them breaks, Ocho. Oh, yeah. Got to keep you in the league another year. Oh, yeah. Man, Joe, I didn't know this. Joe, let me know if this is true.

34:35Shannon Sharpe:What was that? what medical? You play four years in the league, your family get it. You play five years in the league, everybody get it for life.

34:46Chad Johnson:It's something like that. It's something like that. I don't know about the three, four years, but I know.

34:50Shannon Sharpe:Because I saw Yaviselli. He had the Knicks. He was saying that's why he gonna play in the NBA.

34:57Chad Johnson:Oh, for the medical? Yes. Well, hey, look, the medical benefits have been good. If that's what y 'all want to know, they been good. I ain't going to lie to you, boy. Damn. They don't hook y 'all up in football like that?

35:17Shannon Sharpe:You get five years, Joe. The first five years. Three years you get your pension. Four years is medical. And five years, the family get medical. Forever. I'm talking about, oh, you're saying if you play. Yes, yes, in the NBA. Y 'all got, no, we don't get that. No matter how long you play, you get it for five years. That's it? You get it while you play it and five years after you play. You get to take it any five years you want to.

35:50Shannon Sharpe:Hey, there's a cold game, boy. Hey. But look, it's been impressive to watch. A lot of people are going to have to come up with some new podcasts because there ain't going to be no more hating on LeBron because what they going to say then?

36:09Chad Johnson:Yeah. Hey, let me tell you something. They going to miss that man when he gone, bro. Like, I know people talk a lot of trash. He got a lot of people who love him and love him, but he also got people who hate him as well. But, boy, I'm telling you, they going to miss that boy when he gone. They going to miss him.

36:30Shannon Sharpe:Uh-oh. But, look, that's where we are right now. Now, look, I mean, he's 41. He ain't getting no younger. He wants to stay in the game. You have to evolve your game. You have to evolve. And I can't believe people expecting a man 41 years old to be like, he don't play no defense. What 41 years? Let me ask you a question. When Ben Wallace was 35, was he playing defense like he was when he was 25, 26? Dikembe Mutombo, was he playing defense like he was? What about Rodman? so you mean to tell me you expect somebody in their 40s to play defense like they did in their 20s and their early 30s come on chat you know they hold LeBron to a different standard y 'all got those kind of expectations let you know just how great he was yeah cause let's be real y 'all didn't have the same level of expectation Kobe you're 16 you're 17 you're 18 you're 19 you're 20

37:27Shannon Sharpe:Jordan y 'all what y 'all tell you man that was just ceremony Oh, but I said, well, if he'd won a championship, would it have been a ceremonial ring? No. But LeBron, you just got a different level of expectation. That's when you know you're great. When people still see you like you were when you was 20. When you were in your 20s and early 30s, Ocho, and they still hold you to that standard,

37:51Chad Johnson:that's when you know you're great. Yep. When they feel like it ain't never supposed to be no dip in nothing.

37:59Shannon Sharpe:and we've no seen it. Tom Brady, Manny, they had the same expectation. When Tom was in year 23, 21, 22, 23, Tom should go to, you do realize the man 43, 44. And you still expect him to be out here?

38:23Shannon Sharpe:Man, the man, they gave Peyton Manning a 10 % chance to ever be able to have the full feeling in his right arm. Well, he paid Manny. Damn. I ain't give no grace? Nope. When you great, they expect you to be great forever. You think they give, they don't give Ronaldo or Cristiano Ronaldo any great leeway due to Ocho. They expect you to be great. Lionel Messi.

38:53Chad Johnson:No leeway. They expect him to, yeah, the expectations are high for them. With the amount of money them boys making over there? Hey, they different. Ooh, Joe.

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42:35Shannon Sharpe:Bleacher Report released their rankings of the most overrated players in the NBA. Number five was Michael Porter Jr. Number four was Jonathan Kaminga. Number three was Jerry McClain, the 76ers. Number two, Paulo Banqueiro. That's a bulljive. Number one, LaMelo Ball. Ocho? Joe, let me go to you first. Hold on. What did they get right, Ocho or Joe? What did they get wrong?

42:59Chad Johnson:They say Michael Porter Jr. overrated? That man averaged almost 26th game, man. Man, that man over there balling. He told y 'all what he was going to do. He said he was going to have about 25. He asked about 26 a game. He just gave the Nuggets the business last night. I don't think they right on that one. They got that one never wrong. What about Kaminga? Saying he's overrated? I don't think Kaminga overrated. I think he need to be in a situation where, you know, he can play, actually. I mean, Kurt just ain't messing with it. I don't know. Why you sign him?

43:36Shannon Sharpe:Why just not let him go? Why you bring him back? Y 'all do all this hullabaloo and bring him back to just park his ass on the bench.

43:44Chad Johnson:Because it's like that ex-girl when y 'all broke up. You don't want nobody else to have him. You don't want him, but you don't want nobody else to have him. Y 'all done broke up, so you ain't seen it in a little while. So when you see it again, you're like, oh, okay, we might can make this work. You kidding me?

44:03Chad Johnson:They just ain't playing them. What you doing? They call you.

44:05Shannon Sharpe:You ain't heard from somebody in three months. What you doing? Not talking to you. Not you. You know you miss me big head. Right.

44:15Chad Johnson:Yo, you know what I'm saying? Yo, they throw their big head in there. Well, you know, kind of.

44:27Shannon Sharpe:Then they got Paulo Banquero, and then was number two, and LaMelo Ball was number one. but I don't know about Paulo, man. Paulo balling.

44:37Chad Johnson:He be balling. I don't think his numbers ain't been what they were. What they were last year when he was an all-star, huh? Yeah, they ain't been there. And I think because LaMelo ain't never won being in Charlotte, everybody got him overrated. And LaMelo, hey, Joe, LaMelo a baller, man. Yeah. He a hoop. Listen, when you talk about hoopers, He's that. Every essence of it. You know, maybe a little flashy for some coaches. But, hey, listen, he's a joy to watch. He's a player that'll put butts in the seats because if you're going to watch the goddamn Hornets play, you're going to watch motherfucker LaMelo.

45:17Chad Johnson:Yeah. He's going to give you some highlights. But shit been stuck in Charlotte.

45:22Shannon Sharpe:Ooh, all right. Yo, we done gave you your basketball talk. Now we're going back to football. Oh, pro football talk recorded. Russell Wilson has a parting gift for the Giants in the form of an inevitable NFL investigation regarding an undisclosed grade 2 hamstring tear he says he suffered on the last play of practice week 2 game against Dallas. Russ responded to the report saying, not the Giants' fault. They did not know because I didn't want to tell anyone because of the circumstances. I had to play through and try to go out there and ball that day. But we were going to win that wild, crazy game.

46:05Shannon Sharpe:Wow. Ocho, what you making of this, Ocho? I mean, listen, it happens all the time, huh? Most of the time players get hurt. Especially with concussions. That too. Hey, Joe, they want to play. Joe, I mean, you know, too. You don't want to let not just yourself down. You don't want to let your teammates down. You don't. And you don't want to allow someone else to take your spot. And you drafted a quarterback in the first round, though, Joe? And that's exactly why he got his ass out there on that goddamn field regarding what injury he suffered in practice. I'm not letting my spot up. If I'm going to lose it, I'm not going to lose it on the bench.

46:45Chad Johnson:Right. All right. Uh-uh. That ain't happening. Ain't happening. Hey, I'm with you on that. Hey, that little hamstring, you're going to have to take this thing up, but you think I'm going to squander this opportunity and sit over here because I got a hurt hamstring? No. And listen, and Malice is already short. Malice is already short anyway because you drafted him. So I know at some point I got to go anyway, but I'm going to go on my terms. Hold on.

47:09Shannon Sharpe:Who he do this against? I think it was the last player practice before the Dallas game. the man threw for almost 500 he threw for 450 didn't he they lost in overtime if i'm not mistaken he got bent he got benched that he got benched the next week after that game he had a hell of a game joe yeah i was watching i couldn't believe it he was out there cooking boy that's the one malik neighbors went crazy towards the end huh what'd he end up with man threw a career high I guess, uh, that ain't saying much though, Joe. Everybody through a career high against y 'all. I'm gonna say, come on, man. You got to start a job for the rest of the year against y 'all.

47:52Shannon Sharpe:You ain't lying. You ain't lying.

47:54Chad Johnson:You ain't lying. I wish you were you right. I only think they won another game after that, Ocho. I'm with you with you right. Nope.

48:03Shannon Sharpe:And my blood pressure watching the Cowboys, man. He got, nah, he got benched after the Chiefs game. Yeah, he threw 450 that game against the Cowboys.

48:19Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. I think the thing is, look, the last two years, you know who had the biggest cap number on the Broncos, don't you?

48:31He going, ain't he? Oh, yeah.

48:35Shannon Sharpe:Russ carried the biggest cap number for the Broncos the last two years. he was the highest paid player and wasn't on the team man he wouldn't give y 'all nothing in devil man what happened i don't wait boy your guess is good as mine damn you probably should be a little leery if a team want to get off a quarterback because they so hard to come by ocho they are so hard to come by joe and for a team to be willing to trade you

49:10Shannon Sharpe:you couldn't offer you couldn't offer I mean and not to say Russ was a top five quarterback but Russ was in the MVP running for a couple of years and then he would you know falter down the stretch but Russ you can make a case that Russ was a top 10 quarterback in Seattle those last couple years don't you absolutely that would be a great argument that would be a great debate because he actually was so and then he wanted a contract and it's like nah we see slippage and you know he wanted out they found Denver

49:49damn and then Sean Payton got there and all hell broke loose

49:53Shannon Sharpe:Sean old school I don't know if you ever been around Sean but Sean yeah I know Mr. Payton well he don't play none of that He don't play none of that. He's Parcells. You know Parcells don't play none of that. So those guys come up like that. That's how they coach. He's like that. He's like, nah, we're not having this. But you got to be strong to play for Sean. You got to be strong. Yeah, because he talk crazy. He talk reckless. Yeah. You remember when Bo Nix snapped back on him last year? You remember how he was yelling? The offensive lineman jumped. You remember Detroit Ocho? We talked about it.

50:34Shannon Sharpe:The offensive lineman jumped. Russ could have shot to the sideline, and he undressed Russ. I'm like, that mofo jumped. Man, if you don't get out my face. How you mad at me because he jumped?

50:55Chad Johnson:Ain't nothing like them old school coaches, boy.

50:57Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, but these new guys ain't used to that. They ain't not used to coaching like that, JoJo. No, they can't take that. They can't take that. It's very fragile now. Yeah. You got to be everybody's friend. You got to tell everybody how great they are. They shut down quick, boy. Ocho. They gone. Tua is open to a fresh start after he was benching the team's final three games of the season. When he spoke about after McDaniel's decision on December 17th, to a decline to comment on whether he had played his final game for the guppies well his tone shifted during the team's locker room clean out today would ask if he'd like a fresh start uh at the events this season that would be dope he said i would be good with it yeah i mean listen listen he's probably fed up at this point uh he's given us that organization that franchise everything they can uh he's gotten hurt multiple times he's had concussions and i think for him a change of scenery would be fascinating.

51:58I think he'd welcome that. I think he'd enjoy it. He deserves that. Now, I'm not sure where he can go. We can still have a fair shot. I'm not sure we can go to still have a fair shot to be a starting quarterback, but a change of scenery would be good for him.

52:14Shannon Sharpe:I mean, bro. I would love for him to start somewhere, Unc, but where would he go to start? In your sports car in Wyoming? What you gonna do with it? You need a pickup truck. where are you going to go? That was a good one. That was a good one. Your sports car. I got to write that down. Hold on. I'm going to put that in my notes.

52:40Shannon Sharpe:I'm trying. I just, I don't know. I mean, when you look around, I mean, are teams going to be willing to give compensation? He got two years still guaranteed on that contract, Ocho.

52:54Chad Johnson:Yeah.

52:56Shannon Sharpe:When they on.

53:00Shannon Sharpe:what probably about 80 million 90 so he get that regardless to where he go though right

53:10Chad Johnson:but the other team whoever he go to they gotta pay yes but you have

53:16Shannon Sharpe:dead cap money on your cap

53:20mm-hmm

53:21Shannon Sharpe:oh tour

53:27I want to think on with

53:33he got a

53:34Shannon Sharpe:$56 million cap hit if they cut him before June 1st it's basically a$100 million dead cap

53:43whoo damn

53:49Shannon Sharpe:no I don't see it I don't see a team taking on a salary. I don't.

53:55Chad Johnson:You're going to be right there with the guffies.

53:56Shannon Sharpe:So what you think? Where are you going to be at? They'll probably release him, let him go pick on somebody else. Somebody else will let him look. Ocho, if I know your house about to go in floor closure, I'm just going to let – hey, unless you drop the price, I ain't going to get it. I'll get it out of foreclosure. I know you're going to – I know you want him gone. I know he wants to be gone. Right. Why am I going to give you draft capital for – okay you take a fourth round of four no let me take it you take a fifth or six round before they're like nobody's gonna take on that salary don't they don't want that yeah yeah so hold on let me understand this let's see if they do release it right he he still you still get his money yes the same thing with russ remember the broncos released him and they still ate he owed him 38 million dollars right okay okay okay yeah yeah i think a change in scenery would be good for him.

54:47I agree. Where?

54:49Shannon Sharpe:I'm not sure. Ocho, Texas Tech new quarterback one Brandon Soresby will be reportedly earned more in one season of NIL than the value of Shadur's contract, Shadur Sanders' entire four-year rookie contract. Shadur's four-year rookie contract is$4.6 million. Brandon Soresby will get an estimated$5 million from Texas Tech in one year. In 1987, SMU got the death penalty. They're the only team to receive the death penalty, which means they did away with the football program for paying players$61 ,000. In 2026, the Texas Tech team will pay the quarterback$5 million. I mean, listen, that's where the game is going, huh?

55:38That's where it's going. You know, for premium passers, this is what they get. But you got to be premium. You got to be preemptive. Carson Beck making what? Four and a half, four million this year? You know, so it's understandable and I think that number might continue to climb, especially for that position if you're really good at it.

55:57Shannon Sharpe:We saw Levitt leave Arizona State. I think he went to Kentucky. Trinidad Chambliss is replying for a hardship. He's trying to get another year. Like Brian, he's trying to leave this right here. Them boys

56:11Chad Johnson:getting paid.

56:12Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. OTCU quarterback left for Indiana, Joe. And Ocho. Because you know Mendoza's going. He's graded as the top quarterback in the draft. He about to get$45. I thought you were fully guaranteed.

56:24Chad Johnson:His brother ain't that nice. Ain't his brother in one of his brothers back up?

56:28Shannon Sharpe:He's like, I can beat you out.

56:35Shannon Sharpe:I mean, you can't have a Parmarillion or Chihuahua trying to get out the chicken coop. Fox is going to come. Fox is going to come eat the eggs. Fox is going to come eat the chicken, the hens. You better have a Borgon or a Connie Corso. You better have something. Something.

57:00Chad Johnson:Dang, man. College is changing. You know, players, they need to stop hitting this portal. They got 3 ,000 players.

57:07Shannon Sharpe:Before you go, I think it's reported like 3 ,000 players in the portal, Joe. yep 3 ,500 and some change to be exact and if you're hitting the portal you know for money reasons I get it but I hope you're not running from competition I hope most of these players Joe and Unk they're not running from school to school because they don't want to deal with competition because when you get to that next level it ain't nowhere to run you got to compete you a free agent Cincinnati got 20 million for you and the Denver Broncos got 45. What you doing? Exactly. I hope you ain't running from competition, Ocho.

57:52Shannon Sharpe:They got that man $5 million. You're 20 years old. Oh yeah. I know. That's what I just said. Those who aren't. I'm running to the money. That's why I clarified. Can you imagine, Ocho, you're 20 years old and they got Oregon State saying, Ocho, we got$500 ,000. but you dumb say Ocho we got two million where you going Ocho hey I'm gonna see you I'm gonna be watching I'm gonna be a husband hey you gonna be at the square catching the fish with that paper hey the funny thing about it at the market yeah hey Joe and Unc this is a life lesson too because you know you see how them boys following their money huh you know this is saying we're working real life you get a promotion hey come on now you know the bigger the bag the bigger the attraction you're right hey I couldn't

58:55Chad Johnson:I couldn't imagine this when I was in school I could imagine it just the numbers wasn't that big but hold up Ocho out of 3 ,000 kids in the portal all them dudes ain't trying to get no payday some of them are running from the running from that from that smoke oh yes yeah yeah and and you know joe you think about the quarterback getting five million three thousand players in the portal ain't getting that kind of money i still think there's a that's running from competition listen if you that if you that boy you that boy no matter where you at you gonna be that boy no matter where you at if you like that like you may think you are.

59:36I ain't going no goddamn well. Nah.

59:40Chad Johnson:I think this was expected, though. Yeah. It's for guys who playing lower D1s who may have had a great season. Now they're going to one of these top power fives now.

59:53Shannon Sharpe:You see Chambliss, he left Ferris State, Ocho. He was a D2 quarterback. Yeah, D2 quarterback. I saw his story when they played. That was dope.

1:00:04he trying to get that six year back huh

1:00:06Shannon Sharpe:cause they pay good at Ole Miss he got him in the playoff this year can you imagine with that bag he gonna get about three men three four men next year oh yeah easy yeah that'll set me up cause I don't know how big he is Ocho he don't look very tall but he look good I mean he throw the ball and he throw the hell out the ball on the move yeah you do and you know who I thought was small until I watched him play I thought Bryce Underwood was small. No, he's big kid. He's like 6 '3", 6 '4". Man, your move was big as hell, man. Yeah.

1:00:42I didn't even know that.

1:00:44Shannon Sharpe:He's like Terrell Pryor. You remember Terrell Pryor? Yeah, when he was in the Raiders. He was Cleveland, too. He transitioned. He moved to wide receiver. He left quarterback with the wide receiver at Cleveland. Got a thousand yards.

1:00:58Chad Johnson:mm-hmm hey that boy Underwood he getting a big bang on that Michigan oh yeah he nice now

1:01:07Shannon Sharpe:alright we're gonna get you out of here on this one it's time for our final segment of the evening it's time for Q and A

1:01:15huh I miss her

1:01:26Shannon Sharpe:Elpray 98 the Holy Ghost Whispers done told me everything's gonna be alright. Go Broncos. Ocho, the 1999 France World Cup was a great run of my favorite 2006 squad with Zinedine Zidane. Was Magic, what was your favorite World Cup? Oh, my favorite World Cup? Oh, that's a great question. That's a loaded question too.

1:01:541986, the handball. Diego Maradona Maradona? No honestly Unc even though there have been some great World Cups my favorite World Cup that I was actually able to be in presence for we had to be in Qatar France and Argentina what was that oh that was good oh yeah yeah yeah

1:02:13Shannon Sharpe:with Messi and what you call him and Mbappe I thought Mbappe had him I thought he had him yeah yeah he almost did and there have been many many World Cups that are better than that but the fact that I was there sitting right there in the front and able to witness it not watching it on TV is why I would make that one of my favorites yeah I mean I'm probably 99 for me the women the first year the women you and Brandon Chastain hit that and took that I mean the old guard yeah Mia Hamm, Brandon Chastain Breonna Scurry I remember watching it like what a moment oh yeah Aaron Owens 513 I'm about to start a sports podcast got any advice from me on Ken Ocho yeah you got to be really devoted you got to spend a lot of time bro it ain't no I don't feel like doing it today even when you don't feel like you got to do it, bro.

1:03:25You got to must up the energy.

1:03:28Shannon Sharpe:Every day. You see, we about to hit, you know, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday.

1:03:39Shannon Sharpe:Thursday, Friday, Saturday. You got to put the time in, bro. Everybody says they want to be successful, but I want to know what you're willing to sacrifice to achieve that success. right it's mad at 22-15 and ISO how did Joel Embiid had Ocho X when he was rolling up those wires what when Ocho called his girls in the back

1:04:10Shannon Sharpe:you and J. Crohn are my favorite ISO players of all time yeah appreciate that hey that was funny boy dang Ocho I feel bad was eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight that that was a class that was a classic night one that was classic i know because i heard i kept hearing people say man he man he had a girl in the haitian hucklebook i say so down with the haitian hucklebook let's see hey hey um it wasn't no really no really no reason to feel bad for me because it was only two weeks my homeboys are warming man this ain't that man you pulled that much out of your girl in two weeks yeah yeah yeah I mean listen, hey listen down here we call him, she was a goer.

1:04:54Oh okay. She was a goer.

1:04:56Chad Johnson:You just didn't know it. You just didn't know it. No they told me. That's why he got us so quick. Yeah I was young. But she was a baby Joe. You said she was a senior or something right? Yeah and I was a freshman Joe. So I thought I was doing something. Oh yeah, yeah. You know? Yeah. I was playing way above my pay grade. Yeah, yeah. And that's how it be. Joe said she was good

1:05:21Shannon Sharpe:so she was nice and flexible oh man come on come on man I'm good now though listen I see any signs of anything okay bet hey Joe let me tell you what that turned me into I already know I don't even play I see any signs of anything oh so you want to be funny alright bitch it's going to be a comedy show now Come on, we can both play. Yeah.

1:05:54Chad Johnson:Hey, listen. Hey, listen. Hey, listen. Come on, man.

1:06:06Chad Johnson:Hey,

1:06:12Chad Johnson:listen.

1:06:15Shannon Sharpe:I said, oh my God.

1:06:24Oh,

1:06:28Chad Johnson:Joe, I know it turned you to a savage, bro. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Hey, Joe. Absolutely. As a matter of fact, Joe, you know what? Obviously, not to tell you the truth, not even a savage. because everybody deserves the benefit of the doubt and you should be able to trust everybody. All it takes is one thing. It just heightened your awareness.

1:06:50Shannon Sharpe:That's all it did, don't you? That's it. It takes one thing, Joe. And always, let me see how I say this the right way without being respectful. Because I played number two for such a long time, when I put myself in the number

1:07:06Chad Johnson:one position, all the bullshit don't work. You get what I'm saying? none of it works none of the game none of the last none of the oh my none of the differences

1:07:16Shannon Sharpe:ocho between a guy and a lady see a guy is fine being number two he don't really care about being number one a number one lady she's trying to be number two ladies trying to be number one yeah i'll be back i'll be there i don't need to be lead singer i don't never want to need to get on the microphone. I just beat you. You know what? Absolutely not. Joe, hey Joe, number two was such a beautiful spot. I ain't got to deal with the headache. I ain't got to deal with the fussing. I ain't paying no bills. You're coming to me to vent, and I'm a shoulder to cry on.

1:07:51Chad Johnson:Yep. And also, and right there, man. Yeah, yeah. You know where I'm going? Yeah. Dan and Bubba going.

1:07:57Shannon Sharpe:Hey, I'm perfectly fine being Jerome. Where that mirror at? O-D, O-D, O. Hey, I don't need to be more than that. I'm the wrong, I'm older than Dero.

1:08:08Chad Johnson:Hey. Hey, I'm doing the burn. Ha ha! Have you heard? Don't tell y 'all nothing about the burn. Hey, you crazy. I grew up on that. Hey, that was the day, Joe. Now, now I got me a nice little night. Oh, yeah, he got Cambodian. Yeah, I'm good now, Joe. Yeah, he locked in. He locked in. Hey, Joe ain't got no problem, Joe.

1:08:31Shannon Sharpe:But you know, hey, at first, he was like Gattaca. Y 'all remember that movie Gattaca? With Halle Berry, everybody was dressed like... Because Ocho, you know, when they say he's got a tight... Yeah, he got a tight...

1:08:50Chad Johnson:What? Me? Do he? You think I got a tight bone? Yeah. Hey, let me tell you something. hey joe hey joe what's up when i get a bag of skittles yeah i eat every color i don't pick and choose okay i don't pick and choose

1:09:23Shannon Sharpe:hey that man had a party

1:09:36Chad Johnson:Hey

1:10:02Hey Joe, this way back in 1992.

1:10:08Chad Johnson:Hey, but you know that feeling though. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And seeing that. Oh, hey, we done all been there. Oh yeah, yeah. We done all been there. That's why I say boy, it scarred you a little bit, but that's okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Matter of fact, it scarred me to the point where I approach things with a better understanding. Yeah. Like, even if we, that doesn't belong to me. That's not my property. Come on, Unk, what you, Unk, what is that, Unk? What are you guys? Unk got birthday stuff. You showing out tonight, Ochoa? Hey, Unk, Unk off that liquor tonight, boy.

1:11:16Hey, I bet some of the people in the chat lost. They might not know what the hell we talking about.

1:11:25they would have had to be here for that show

1:11:31Shannon Sharpe:you got some more stories

1:11:36hey i got i got about i got about two more but i ain't gonna tell you tonight oh my goodness man

1:11:44Shannon Sharpe:Oh, Joe. Oh, Joe. Joe, that bad.

1:11:53Shannon Sharpe:Oh, man. Yo, Ocho, I'm sorry, man. Nah, you good, you good, you good, you good. You know, it's good to let y 'all, you laughing at my pain, it's all good. Nah, man, I wouldn't do that, Ocho. Nah, you know, you gotta think, this back in 92, so it don't really meet, it don't make me nothing no more. Yeah, yeah. Me and my homeboy just having us a good night.

1:12:29Chad Johnson:Ocho, what's wrong with it, Ocho? Oh, hey, he on that liquor tonight, boy.

1:12:34Shannon Sharpe:He on that little portcane. Ocho, I ain't have no much water tonight. I ain't have no liquor tonight. I ain't drinkin' it tonight. I'm saving that. I'm saving that for Saturday and Sunday. Are you sober? Okay.

1:12:52Shannon Sharpe:Chad, I'm sorry. Chad, we got to get through this. We got to get through this. Come on, Chad. We got some more Q &A. The Ugg Ocho already told you that Judy is the number one. What more do you need to see?

1:13:08Wait, I didn't hear that. What did you say?

1:13:10Shannon Sharpe:And Mike Jones said, Ocho already told you that Judy is a number one. What more do you need to see? Just a little consistency, that's all. Oh, Lord. You still crying? Man. Edgy Carr, do y 'all think kicker positions important? Stressed in the league. How well would you, the 2000 Ravens, fare with Lamar Jackson at the helm? Bro, you got to understand, it was a different game back then. They could drop their body weight on Lamar. They could do all kinds of things. It's not like it is now. The quarterback is the most protected. The quarterback is like witness protection. Did you see how Elway got hit?

1:13:56Shannon Sharpe:Did y 'all watch the video and see his documentary? Y 'all better go look at that and see how them guys hit. It was a different game back then. Lamar is sensational. And that's not to say he couldn't play. But, boy, all that running around, they were going to be hunting, boy. Mm-mm. Man. Trey Newsome, up at the free man in 26. Please listen to Ocho's advice. He's only looking out for your best interest. Ocho, that 98 France kit, clean, man. Appreciate that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're 26. We good. We good, cuz. We, uh. Hey, we in 26.

1:14:42I know what happened.

1:14:46Shannon Sharpe:I put that beat. I put that beat. That's Cully. It's over. Yeah. JJ Carver, 80. If the Raiders need any defense, look no further than Elgato. They be giving Ocho hell.

1:15:03Shannon Sharpe:Family wealth builder. Should Brad Holmes be fired due to the Lions falling? Detroit fans are lighting torches and grabbing pitchforks. What do you think, Unk and Ocho? No. No, you had a down year. You had a down year. But, bro, look at your draft. Look at what you got. You drafted Amon Ross St. Brown. You drafted Jamison Williams. You got Jameer Gibbs. You make the trade for Jerry Goff. You look at your defensive guys. You got Jack Campbell. You got Aiden Hutchinson. You got, but a lot of those guys, the secondary was injured. No, you, Penesaw. No. No. Man, you guys right there.

1:15:46Shannon Sharpe:GT knew. Shannon, why you got to keep calling my Dolphins guppies, man? We've had a bad enough with the tuna turn them all over at quarterback and not winning a playoff game in 26 years. Give Ocho, give us an Ocho a break. Hey, what do you call him? Tuna what? Turn the ball over.

1:16:08Shannon Sharpe:Turn the ball over. Turn the ball over. Tuna.

1:16:15Shannon Sharpe:Lanny Ray, hey, guys. Ocho, I got a dad joke for you. What do horse eat the day of a race?

1:16:31I don't know what to eat.

1:16:32Shannon Sharpe:Nothing. They fast.

1:16:42Shannon Sharpe:Good one, lady. Marlon Wilson, why aren't people questioning Matt Nagy the way they question EB, Eric B. Enemy, for head coaching jobs?

1:16:56Shannon Sharpe:Well, we'll see. You hear reports that there's a possibility that EB might be going back to KC. We'll see. But I don't know why McNaggett getting here for a job. Andy Reid called the plays. When he got the job in Chicago, Andy Reid called the plays. They say they want somebody that's called plays before.

1:17:21Shannon Sharpe:Andrew Carr says, Ocho, out here looking like Uncommon. With the hat on. Run for me. Hey, Unk, what's the holdup with Mike Imps' interview? Also, it'll be dope if y 'all have Prime on once a week. Put Memphis on your tour.

1:17:42Shannon Sharpe:Tennessee. Bro, be patient. Be patient.

1:17:49Shannon Sharpe:Brian, 6198. Unk, Ocho, who's the best head coach for Jackson Dart in New York? Y 'all better not agree.

1:18:00Shannon Sharpe:it needs to be you got a quarterback it needs to be an offensive line Ocho I'm trying to think who would be a great hey I can know Clint Kubiak Seattle's OC

1:18:17Mr. Gannon Arizona Cardinals Jonathan Gannon

1:18:21Shannon Sharpe:he's a D yeah he a defensive line Ain't he a defensive mind? Because I think Shane Steichen was the offensive coordinator, and he went to – he's in Indy. Wasn't Jonathan Gallon the D.C.? Yeah. In Philly.

1:18:41Stefanski, an offensive guy. Yes.

1:18:48Shannon Sharpe:But I do believe Brian Flores is going to get a job this hiring cycle. Q Mar says, I'm a Hawks fan and sad to see Trey go. I hope he goes to the Spurs or the Bucs so we can see Trey to Wimby or Trey to Giannis, best passer in the league, in my opinion. I don't see him going because they got Darren Fox, they got Stephon Castle, and they got Dylan Harper. They don't need Trey in San Antonio. Now, I can see a scenario, Milwaukee, but...

1:19:20but I do believe he topped two, three best passes in the league,

1:19:28Chad Johnson:by the way. He can pass that ball. Oh, he can. Well, yeah, I don't see him going to San Antonio neither. I don't even see San Antonio messing with nothing they got going on over there.

1:19:41Shannon Sharpe:Other to go, Ocho. Will, I am Shakespeare. We need to end nightcap like that every night. Very insightful. Thoughts.

1:19:53Shannon Sharpe:With the spoken word. The Sean underscore show. What's up, fellas? If the MVP goes to the most valuable player, then Drake may should win the award. The Rams are a good team without Stafford. No, they're not. And with two great receivers. Go Pats. Your thoughts.

1:20:14Shannon Sharpe:I just look, I don't know. I thought it was a foregone conclusion that Lamar was going to win it last year after 41-5, and his team had tremendous success, and then Josh Allen got it. And that's not to say Josh Allen didn't earn the right to be the MVP. But 46-8, led the league in passing, led the league in passing touchdowns. I don't know. For me, it's Matthew Stafford. I don't know what you think, Ochoa and Joe. but I think Matthew Stafford is the MVP to me. Yeah, I mean, I was going with Staff anyway. If anything, obviously after that week he had, where he played bad last week, he redeemed himself this past weekend.

1:20:59Some people say Drake May. Drake May deserves it based on what he was able to do after going 4-13 the previous year. So that's tough. That's tough. I mean. You're going to have two different sides of the spectrum on people that think it should be Drake May and people that think it should be Matt Stafford.

1:21:23Shannon Sharpe:Man, if 46 and 8 don't get it, I don't know what you're going to do to get it. Kyle Marquise, dang, you wore a blue and orange in college and in the NFL, you really bleed it. Yep. And my high school colors were green and gold. So my brother got green and gold when he got with Green Bay, and I got blue and orange. Damn. Ronnie M, what's up, Nightcap? Who do you think should dominate the sports more in their prime? Shaq, Curry shooting, or Prime Brady with Vicks? Woo! Man, if Shaq can shoot the ball like Steph Curry, that man averaged 100 points a night.

1:22:06Chad Johnson:That's too much. I can't get nobody there.

1:22:11Shannon Sharpe:God ain't giving you all that now. Hell no. Absolutely not. Man, Shaq 7-1 can shoot the ball like Steph and be dominant like he was. Oh, man, please.

1:22:25Chad Johnson:Man, please.

1:22:27Shannon Sharpe:He get 100 tonight. He average 100 tonight. He put a record out where nobody ever break it.

1:22:32Chad Johnson:Hey, but I'm going to tell you something. When we can stay healthy, he going to be close to it. Man, he got to put some... I'm saying from a defensive standpoint... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, he'll be a better defender. He can average four to five blocks a game, if not more. Double-figure rebounds. Obviously, you know you're going to be at least 20 points a game. Yeah, he can...

1:22:58Shannon Sharpe:Health will not. Shout out Keith Burns. He was my special teams coach at TSU. And also, my all-time favorite coach. Love you, coach. I'm his favorite kid. He coached. That's my dog. I appreciate that. I just talked to him the other day. I talked to him Saturday. He ain't doing ish. He at Howard now.

1:23:22Shannon Sharpe:Oh, thank you guys for joining us. We really, really appreciate your support tonight. We had a nice, lively chat. Even though we didn't really have a sporting event to come on after, That just goes to show you the level of support that you give a nightcap. And we can't thank you enough. Y 'all know who I am. I'm your favorite uncle. That is my partner and co-host, Liberty City's own Bengals Ring of Fame honoree, pro bowler, and all pro. That is Chad Ochocinco Johnson. And the third member of the Big Three that joins nightcap normally on Wednesday, but since we're off this Wednesday, he decided to join us early on a Monday.

1:23:52Shannon Sharpe:And we can't thank him enough. University of Arkansas alum, Little Rock, Arkansas native, seven-time NBA All-Star of the Atlanta Hawks. That is ISO Joe Johnson. Joe, thanks for coming on with us, man.

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1:25:18Shannon Sharpe:We know Raheem Moore was relieved of his duties last night. Minnesota. The Giants made this move earlier in the year and so did the Tennessee Titans. So I think that's what seven positions that are open still might be a possibility of some more. We'll see but Cleveland is going in a different direction so are some of the other teams. The Arizona Cardinals the New York Giants the Tennessee Titans and the Cleveland Browns and the Atlanta Falcons. Atlanta Falcons got a pretty good roster. If they solidify that quarterback, I expect them to be a complete team next year because they've got some defensive guys and they've got some offensive weapons.

1:26:00Shannon Sharpe:I love Drake London, B. John Robinson, Kyle Pitts. If you get him re-signed, Ocho, they've got some pieces down there in Atlanta. So again, thank you guys for joining us. I'm Unk. He's Ocho. That is Iso Joe. We're off tomorrow and Wednesday. We'll see you back on Thursday. Thank you guys for joining us.

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