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21:44yeah we a when your name and number call just be ready just be ready consistency is the key consistency it's part of being a professional when your time come bro you got to be ready to step up that's the hardest part though what a lot of cats don't know and understand because Because, okay, Ocho, in the NBA, you can go 10, 12 games. Don't touch the flow. Somebody go down, now your ass in rotation. Hey, next man up, Joe. Got to be ready.

22:25Shannon Sharpe:Do you like him in Cleveland, Joe? Yeah, I like him in Cleveland. Hell, they need some defense. See, the thing with – Man, that man don't want to – Joe, you know what that man want to do. Oh, you got to look at the circumstances. If you Kaminga, damn, I'm going to Cleveland. I'm playing with James Harden. I'm playing with Donovan Mitchell. I know they're going to get their fair share of shots. I got to be a disruptor on defense. I got to score at least six to ten points off defense alone. Now, I'm going to get some good looks because them guys going to demand double teams, and I'm going to get some wide-open looks.

22:59But, man, listen, you can't predicate your game on offense, bro, when you go into some of these teams. Somebody got to do the dirty work.

23:10Shannon Sharpe:Well, I brought a suit. So that means I ain't trying to get dirty. I ain't bringing no club balls. Hey, we need you. I ain't bringing no blue jeans, and I ain't got no skill to open. Well, you know what we got going on over here. We just brought you to Cleveland. Hey, you need to have your boots on. You need to be ready to go. But here's the thing. You're right, Joe. That should be his mentality. but what did what was the problem in Golden State he wanted to be Steph Curry okay he goes to Atlanta say this is my chance but they got Jalen Johnson they got Alexander Alexander Walker and they got Tyson Daniels no the other one CJ McCullough yeah McCullough so now he guess where he's at he's fourth again we got enough scores and you gotta learn we need a custodian we got four cashiers already filling the spot if one of them call out sick instead of having you tidy up the place we'll let you fill in but right now that's not what we need I thought it was a perfect match bro him and Atlanta because listen he comes off the bench playing against second unit guys.

24:30Hell, if you think you're a damn starter, you're supposed to be killing these dudes in the damn way.

24:37Shannon Sharpe:He does. But see, the problem, Joe, he has that burst. He has a game or two, and then he's –

24:47That's the sign of young players, bro, the ups and downs. You got to learn to be consistent. You have to, you know, have a routine and be disciplined to it, bro. The one thing in the league, because the games come in the regularity to where you're playing them every other night, you've got to put a game behind you and be able to move forward and be consistent and do that same act again. You feel what I'm saying? And that's part of being a professional. That's what the great ones do. They know how to be consistent. Every game.

25:22Shannon Sharpe:Draymond Green is declining his$27.7 million player option to become a free agent, according to Shams. This move gives the Warrior flexibility to pursue LeBron James and free agency and Anthony Davis vial to trade to form a Big Four. NBA Insider reported in April that the Warriors' preference was green to decline the option. Sign a... Copenhagen's Spit Free packs American-grown tobacco into pouches made from when your elbow's deep in an engine block. They're masked up, torching deep cuts into stubborn pipes. her helmet's on riding deep into back country when there's no time or space to spit grab copenhagen spit-free pouches find them in stores today not all varieties available in all geographies warning this product can cause mouth cancer do you know the symptoms of moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea or osa in adults with obesity they may be happening to you without you knowing.

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28:19Shannon Sharpe:Longer-term deal at a lower annual salary. If Green does that, it could create some cap flexibility as Golden State starts to plan for the future. Joe, do you see Draymond leaving, or was this all a part of the master plan? Oh, this is definitely all part of the master plan. Draymond ain't leaving Steph Curry's side, Arkin Ocho. You know, he is the bruiser, the muscle, the big bro. And if anything ever get out of hand, you know I'm going to handle it. You know what I mean? He ain't going to never let nothing happen to Steph, and they know that. And to keep him around as that emotional leader, yes, we got to do that.

28:56I also think they do got a little something up their sleeve in what they're trying to do, whether it's bring Bronner, 80, whatever the case may be, this will get them some flexibility to be able to go out and try to venture out and get other guys to come join. but I guess, man, if you the Wizards, why the hell would you do this? Why would you take Jimmy Butler in return? That just don't make no sense to me. So I'm curious to see what they're going to do.

29:26Shannon Sharpe:Coach O, what you thinking? No, just conversation. Just conversation. It's not happening. It makes no sense. It makes no sense at all. Listen, I love LeBron. I know LeBron would love to play with Steph, but at this point in their careers, it makes no sense at all. Makes no sense at all. Again, I'm going to throw this out there again for both of y 'all, for everybody in the chat. When I tell you Mickey Arison and Pat Riley have something on their sleeve, please listen to me when I say that. The honest stuff, I was saying it six months out. You see what happened. One more thing is brewing. It's on the horizon.

30:03But I love the conversation. This is just a deflect on what's really going to happen is these conversations with Draymond declining his option and LeBron going to the Bay to play with Steph because, you know, they're friends and they always wanted to. That's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. It sounds good, but no.

30:25Shannon Sharpe:Well, I mean, but you think about it. They re-side Prozingas, two years, 40 million. That's a fallback plan. And, yeah, they would like to – they could still trade Przingis. But the problem – but here's the thing, though, Joe. We've got to have something. Because if this plan, master plan doesn't come together and we let Przingis go and we don't get AD and we don't get – so I don't really think they had a choice in this matter. Hey, listen. Think about this, though. Do you think Rich Paul got a little trick up his sleeve where he just trying to put some pressure on some teams. Like, man, we got a spot we can go now.

31:07It ain't like we sitting here waiting on y 'all. We got somewhere we can go. But you know what the funny thing about it too, Uncle Joe, is even if he has a trick up his sleeve, even if he's trying to play hardball or play chess, whatever you want to call it, you know, these owners in these GMs, you know, they talk. They have conversations as well. like LeBron is not in the driver's seat anymore he's not in a position where he can control where he has the leverage so whatever trick Rich might have Rich, excuse me, might have this ain't the time to be pulling it because it's not going to work

31:42Shannon Sharpe:it doesn't matter if you play long enough, guess what you won't have the cards Peyton Manning didn't have the cards in Indy Tom Brady didn't have the cards Jordan Jordan didn't have the cards in Chicago, and he didn't have the cards in D.C. If you play long enough, Joe, all them great hands that you had, eventually they'll go back to the house. That's just the way it is. Play long enough, and you'll see. But I still think Bron has great value to wherever he goes. Oh, he does. Absolutely. But he has to what's important to him, Joe. because here's the thing that LeBron has to do. And all great players, this is what I recommend.

32:33Shannon Sharpe:He's still one of the few players, even at his age, the expectation doesn't change. It's championship for him. Now, can he – and he's done a great job of blocking out noise. He did – he's always done what he wanted to do, regardless of what critics are saying. I want to go to Miami. F y 'all. I want to go back to Cleveland. F y 'all. I want to go to LA. F y 'all. He's always been able to do that. Now, at this juncture, what is really, really important to you? If you lose a game, are you going to be happy? The bus rides, the plane rides, the locker room, the meals, all that stuff have to weigh into it.

33:19Shannon Sharpe:So that's what a guy like LeBron has to look at at his age. he still has no expectations. Let that sink in. Because he's LeBron James, he's about to be 42. And what's the expectation? That he's supposed to be just like Joker, just like you, Luca, just like Shea, championship. At 42, nobody in the history of the game. Yeah. But that's what, Uncle Joe, that's what Conor was still playing. When you're still playing. Yeah, there you go. But that too. Shaq didn't have that pressure. Shaq played 19 years. Kobe didn't have that. Kobe played 20 years. Did Kobe have that expectation in 2012, 13, 14, 15, 16?

34:05Shannon Sharpe:Did Carl Malone have that? When Jordan went to Washington, was the expectation was a championship? So what you mean? What you mean, Ocho? I mean, rephrase that. Come on back. Because he's still playing. Because I know guys that still play late in their career and didn't have those expectations. So you want to rewind that? No. Who played all the way to 41-42? There are a lot of guys that played late in their career. I'm saying. No. 41-42. When Jordan went to Washington, was a championship the expectation? Why not? He was still playing. He was 41-42. Well, we talk about the king. We talk about your goat, right?

34:45Shannon Sharpe:No, no, no. You said because he's still playing. I said because LeBron James, he's the only one that has these expectations at that age. I said other guys were playing at that age. I said Kobe didn't have expectations in 2013, 14, 15, or 16. And he was in his 30s. Greatness. That's why. No, he's still playing. So therefore, if you're still playing, we're expecting you to deliver. But why did you expect that to Jordan? Why did you expect that of Kobe? We talked about the GOAT. No, no, no, no, no, no. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You said LeBron is the GOAT, right? I said that. No, listen to me. The expectations are different for said GOAT, right?

35:30Shannon Sharpe:Whoa, Joe, Jordan. How much pushback we done got? LeBron can never beat Kobe. He can never beat Jordan. But they never had the expectations that this man got. And I'm just asking Ocho why. Wait a minute. What do you mean? Why? I just told you why. It's because of his greatness, old Joe. Yeah, obviously we know that. We all understand how great he is, but he's still... So Jordan wasn't great when he went to Washington? Yeah. I mean, he's considered a GOAT depending on who you ask. Okay. Okay. So why was the expectation that you got on LeBron? Why was it on him? Oh, wait. Hey, you can't ask me. I'm going to give you the answer on why people feel the way they feel if LeBron was still playing.

36:14As a matter of fact,

36:15Shannon Sharpe:Kobe, you do realize Colby retired at what 38 Joe so at 34 35 so 35 36 37 38 so the last four years why wouldn't he have those expectations hey hey hey um if you're still going what are they by your by your by your old self right by your but I'm saying I'm not saying it's fair or unfair I'm saying why no other greats late in their career had the same level of expectations that's all I'm saying I'm not saying it's fair or unfair I'm just asking why didn't we put those expectations on those guys because none of them was playing at the level that LeBron is playing at at 41 that is a good one who's the all-time leading NBA scorer?

37:02LeBron expectations are different because he's still playing yeah so this is this is what we're expecting from said go but i'm just trying to say why you didn't

37:12Shannon Sharpe:expect this from a 35 year old or 36 year old or a 37 year old or don't you find that odd joke no that you expect something from a 40 41 42 that you didn't expect from a 35 36 37 38 now something is wrong either my math is is not mouthing or something is not right they weren't the king They weren't the chosen one. They're the mamba. And they air. They still went by one name. And they beloved Kobe, bro. And he didn't. They were not great. He deserved to be loved. Yeah, and he wasn't. They did not have great teams in his latter years for the Lakers. And he just wasn't contributing the way LeBron is.

37:55I mean, those are facts too. Shh, Joe.

37:59Shannon Sharpe:All right, they're going to hate you. Right now they love you. They just be getting on me and Ocho. You better say that. We got to keep you 100, huh? I mean, we've never seen what this young man LeBron James is doing, bro. We never seen that. At his age, we've never seen anybody play this long and be at this level. We've never seen it. So, yes, anytime you insert him on any damn roster, on any franchise, yes, expectations are going to be high. Championship. Yeah. It is. But the question is, even if that's not an option, but like you said, Joe, he goes to Golden State. We know they're trying to bring – you bring Anthony Davis in, even with Steph Curry and Draymond Green and LeBron James, the expectation is to continue.

38:46Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. If he stays in L.A., it's to continue. If he goes to Cleveland, it's to continue. If he goes to Miami, it's to continue. Well, anywhere he goes, you know what happens when he goes there. Huh? Because there was a time when he was young, regardless of what team he went to, for some reason, they always ended up in the finals. True. So that's the expectation when LeBron goes somewhere, even at 42 years old. You're right. You can't get away from that on what you got people used to based on who you are. And you're still choosing to play. And I know you're not playing for fun. You got to be playing for actually, you know what?

39:22I want to make one more run at a ring. You're not still playing all the way in the 40 in 42 years of age to say, you know what? I want to go play with Steph and have some goddamn fun, especially goddamn East. They have to deal with the goddamn Spurs and. Thunder. Oh, yeah. I almost said Oklahoma.

39:41Shannon Sharpe:I think. But here's the thing, though. Oh, Joe, you still got to love it because the process doesn't change. Oh, yeah, absolutely. So you still got to be able to say, I want to get to the arena five hours before and do all the stuff. and I still want to get to the gym early, even on shoot-around days, and do what I need to do, get the workout in. And I want – so it's got to be – Ocho, it can't – and we talk about greatness, how monotonous and boring that it is. But for somehow, he's been able to keep it fun. Yeah. He's been able to keep it exciting to him. While it might not be exciting to us, it's exciting to him.

40:17Shannon Sharpe:I mean, think about it. Bro, man, you know sometimes you don't feel like getting up early in the morning. and to be doing that for 25 years yeah but that's all he know too um think about it that's that's all he knows outside of business adventures outside of some of the hobbies that he enjoys obviously golf he's keeping the main thing the main thing that's who he is and that's who he is he's giving him everything that is his identity but I do think he's gonna be very strategic when it comes to picking a team that he goes to you know I think he would love to do this Golden State thing, but I could still, I could also still see him going to Miami too though, Uncle Ocho.

40:58I ain't gonna lie. Hey, Joe. Options. See,

41:05Shannon Sharpe:here's the problem. And we use relationships a lot on this show, Joe. But if she doesn't think you have options or you don't think she have options, what do they do? Give you they butt and kiss. You'll give her your butt and kiss she'll give you her butt to kiss. As long as either party don't think you have options. The moment, that's what happens when somebody starts to show interest in either one of the parties, people start to act differently, don't they? Chet, y 'all know what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah. You ain't gonna get nobody like me. You ain't gonna never find another B. Okay. Chet, little do they know, it's a thousand U's.

41:49Hey, you said I found you? Yeah.

41:53Shannon Sharpe:I was like, oh, wow, what do you mean? Hey. Hey, but no, but here's the thing though, Ocho. Talk to me. The guys, we like kind of the similar type of woman. Yeah, yeah. Eh, hi. Yeah, Coke bottle. Hey, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Coke, the old Coke bottle, not the two liter. Yeah. The little glass joint. Yeah, yeah.

42:23Shannon Sharpe:So, options. As long as the job, and look, the old saying, the bank is the perfect place to borrow money as long as they don't know you need it. See, if you need money, I go get a loan right now from the bank. Let the average person try to go get one from the bank. Because you know what? The bank know I don't need it. They give it to me. They like, oh, you need it. I can't mess with you.

42:49Shannon Sharpe:That's how the opposite, hey, the job. Oh, you got two, oh, hold on. You got two or three job offers? Yeah, I do. Now all of a sudden they act different as opposed to, they looking at your, okay. Say you hadn't worked here in what? Six months?

43:14Shannon Sharpe:Oh, it says right now you're in between jobs. So you have a job, okay, you just, okay. Okay. They talk differently, you know? Oh yeah, oh yeah. Different conversation. Same thing. A lady know that you got options, and guess what? If you got money, you got options. Yeah. Hey, wait. I think, no, I ain't fair to say it no more. I ain't gonna say it no more. Okay. I mean, if you got, yeah. Because it's really simple.

43:51Shannon Sharpe:A guy that has money, even as he age, what will he have, Joe and Ocho? Money. The question is, you're 25, you look good. You're 30, you look good. What about 35? What about 40? What about 45? What about 50? Cut to eight. And now you gotta put some time into that body. it now. Yeah. Hey. So, the Lakers are not going to do anything as long as they think they're the only team. They don't think you have no options.

44:29Man, I don't know.

44:31Shannon Sharpe:You just talked about it earlier, Joe. Detroit said we ain't doing nothing. Go see what you got. See, now, if they find out he got an option, yeah they gonna come and knock it on that door yeah we gonna swoop right up on them the Lakers can't do that with Bron though Lakers can't do that with Bron if he signed with another team he gone yes but that's what I'm saying it's being reported today they reached out to Bron because remember before before everybody the reports were they hadn't had a conversation with Bron The reports are today they reached out to Rich. I don't know what's true. I'm just saying what's being reported.

45:19Shannon Sharpe:So what's being reported is that they finally reached out about having a conversation. They want to know what he wants to do. I guess, what do you want to do? What are you thinking? How long do you want to play? You want to play one plus one? This is going to be it, X, Y, and Z. What do you want to do? but it's always nice to have options. Ain't it, man? It's always nice to have options.

45:46Shannon Sharpe:Go look in your pantry, you see seven different types of chips, five different types of cereal. Compared to when you was growing up, none of them dirty-ass cornflakes and king vitamins. That you had to sprinkle a little sugar on them. Oh, for y 'all. And the sugar go down to the bottom. It wasn't no Frosted Flakes. It wasn't no Apple Jacks. It wasn't no Dig 'em Smacks. It wasn't none of that. Bland cornflakes are king vitamins.

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49:03Shannon Sharpe:A statement from Ms. Health, he said, I plan on getting as strong as I can physically getting my ass on the court. And then the team realizing that my abilities will be needed. I don't have a plan on where. Maybe I'll go back to Philly. Miami where it would be nice. And not because it's Miami. I like Eric Spolstra. I like the heat. I like their organization. I like the culture. It's never been about do I love playing basketball. That's never been a question. Actually, it has. That's in my DNA. But I think sometimes you get over all the bull jive that comes with it. Simmons was out of the NBA last season.

49:41Shannon Sharpe:The last time he played was with the Clippers in 24-25. Joe Simmons is only 29 years of age. Should Philly spin the block? Nah, nah, nah. Philly don't need to spin that block. He need to go somewhere else. Okay, Ocho. Leave that alone. Hey, hey, listen. You and her didn't work out. It's time to move on. Ain't no need you trying to rekindle that old flame, man. Let that go, man. Move around. You know what I mean? No, sir. Don't go back to Philly. Don't nobody else need to deal with it either. But don't know, bro, bro, stop that. To say nobody to question whether or not you, that's never, yes, it is.

50:19Shannon Sharpe:They question whether you love the game of basketball because they didn't see the improvement. If you love the game of basketball, I can tell guys they love. And I'm not talking about obviously the greats. Because you see the improvement. Even Jordan, even average damn near 29 as a rookie, you still saw him getting better and better. You see the greats. Austin Rees, I love to use Austin Rees. example because here's an undrafted free agent they got better and better and better and better i'll give you another one nikola yokich a second round draft pick a three-time nvp how many times first team all nba finals nvp yeah you see guys that love the game how they get better you can talk about you love the game but when I watch you play and I see you haven't gotten any better from your rookie year to your fifth year yeah hey Joe action speak louder than words you know writing all that stuff you talking about and you know being away from the game for a year anybody that loved the game of basketball you're not disappearing you're not leaving said game not the game that was your childhood dream, you know, to make it to the NBA and you take a year off and when you did play, like Unc said, you didn't improve at all, then you scared to shoot?

51:43I mean, no, man, it made no sense. And the one thing you need, you didn't get it while you was off for a year. You need confidence. You're not confident in yourself. That's the one thing it takes to do anything in life. You got to be confident about what you're doing. And I think with Ben Simmons being a number one pick, Ocho, you know, that pressure, that pressure way a little different, bro. You know, we just keeping it 100. And in today's game, you know, he came in as a point guard, bro, a 6 '9", 6 '10", point guard. And it's just in today's game, he's a prototypical guy who you would want on your team.

52:25You just want to know if he really thoroughly enjoys playing the game because his attributes, Ocho, on certain teams, bro, will help. Nah, he's not no scorer here. But you're talking about a 6 '9", 6 '10", playmaker, rebounder, defender. You know, take the number one pick thing away. Don't look at him trying to get you 16 or 20 points a night. I think he can be a great Swiss Army knife, bro, on a team that's competitive. I think he can. I think he deserves another chance. He's only 29 years old. He looks like he's in phenomenal shape. He continues to work, you know, obviously get his mind right, get his head right.

53:07I think somebody take a chance, bro, and bring him in and give him a shot. I know. I know. I know how it ended. You know, I know how it ended because, you know, the teams that he's played with and he just didn't look enthused about being there or playing at all. Joe, he don't love the game of basketball, Joe. Yeah, I know. He don't love it. He's not infatuated with it, you know? But sometimes being away from the game, though, you know, Uncle Ojo, it could bring that love back. Maybe he's been away from it for a little while or long enough to where he's like, damn, I really missed the game, bro.

53:46Like, I'm going to really. He missed them checks. Let's be all the way real, Joe. He missed them checks. Those are big checks, boy.

53:55Shannon Sharpe:That's it, huh? That's it, huh? That's not what he missed. Hey. Everybody was questioning your love for the... Hold on, Joe. You just told Ocho and I 45 minutes ago. Body language don't lie. Ain't that what he told us, Ocho? Hey, that's a good one right there, Ocho. So what was his body language in Brooklyn? His body language... It stinks. It stinks. It stinks. It stinks. It stinks. Hey, Ocho, while you was going, I told Joe, man, ain't no point in coming back if you're coming back with no confidence. If you ain't got no confidence, you're going to look like the same player you were in 24-25. You know what?

54:33He don't have no confidence, but it's so funny, bro. When you watch this man work out, I've had the privilege to train with him, play two-on-two, three-on-three with him, Uncle Ocho, and his jump shot ain't bad, bro. I just don't know why he has no confidence in shooting it. I really don't. Hey, Joe, it's easy when you're training three-on-three, one-on-one. It's easy when you're in the goddamn gym and ain't nobody there watching. Ocho, You ain't got nobody heckling you. It ain't no pressure. Yeah, it's easy. Can you do it under the lights? Can you do it at home? Can you do it away when they booing you?

55:10You got to start somewhere, bro. You got to practice on it. You know what I mean? Like, you really got to hone in on your craft, dog. It's in him. He just got to be willing to do it. Joe, that man, 29 years old.

55:22Shannon Sharpe:Hey, tell him, come on out here to Miami with me, man. Joe, that man, 29. Okay, how long? Let me ask you a question, Joe. how long you think Ben Simmons been playing the game of basketball? He probably been playing since he was about 10, 11. So let's just say for the sake of argument, for the better part of somewhere between 17 and 20 years, so basically almost two decades, you're asking him to do something he didn't do in the first two decades, but to do it now. He said the reason why, did you read part of the article? He said, well, I wasn't confident in my shot, so I passed it off to somebody with a better free throw.

55:58Shannon Sharpe:You read that, Joe? I know you did. Yeah. That's what he said. Man, what your man's doing, bro?

56:08Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, this time I had you, Joe, in the low post. We already seen you at work, bro. You can't fool us no more. We already seen you. Hey, Joe, you got film on him. He can't fool me no more, huh? Hey, hey, but that foot is old as hell. Hey, Joe, this the new me, Joe.

56:32Shannon Sharpe:Joe, I would love to see him come back and salvage some part of it, but it's just hard. Joe, you can't shoot at all. You're afraid to shoot. It's not like you said, Joe, you watched it work out. I've seen videos of him. He can shoot. He's afraid to shoot. I can't teach you how to swim if you're afraid of the water. Hello. I just can't. I don't really know what else to say. How do you play? But you know what it was, Joe? Because he was so talented, everybody kicked the ball down the road. His high school coach said, you know what? They'll fix whatever is broken once he get to college. And college said, well, hell, he ain't going to be here in about a year.

57:15Shannon Sharpe:Let him fix that in the NBA. And he gets to the NBA. It's the same thing with Tim Tebow. The throwing motion and the mechanics that he had, everybody kicked the can down the road because he was so much more talented. Now, all of a sudden, you're not the most talented, let alone you're not the most talented on your own team, and you're damn sure not the most talented in the league. Now what do we do, Ocho, Joe? Hey, man. I think the guy deserves no chance on that Ocho. Oh, yeah, I got no problem with that, Joe. I got no problem. Yes, he does. Now, now. Matter of fact, hold on. When he gets another chance, we have to erase the expectations, though.

57:51So, that's the thing, Joe. Erase the expectations. Well, it depends on what your expectations are. I mean, he's good at it.

57:58Shannon Sharpe:He's never going to be able to live it out that he was the number one overall draft. That's what I'm saying. And he can play defense and facilitate. Because, look, you got to understand, for a guy who don't shoot, bro, he probably ain't going to get you but about maybe eight points, maybe ten points. And, you know, he'll probably have about six boards, six assists. You know what I mean? That's why I would say use him as a Swiss Army knife. Hopefully, you know, he has that passion, that rejoicefulness for the game to where he comes back and want to prove himself, bro. I mean, outside of that, I don't know what to tell you.

58:34Hey, Uncle Joe, hey, Joe, if he want to prove himself after being the number one pick, ain't nothing else. Ain't nothing else going to happen. I mean, listen, he did. He still won Rookie of the Year. His game just never evolved over the years. It's like, man, you just can't be no damn 6 '9", 6 '10", point guard, and you can't get us no bucket. But that's what he's being.

58:57Shannon Sharpe:Nah. And it ain't changing that 29. Hey, Joe, you know where the pilot light is, right? You ever had one of those? He had the pilot light is burning. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When the pilot light go out, what you got to do? When the pilot light go out? Pilot light out. Pilot light out, Joe. Are you saying he can't restart it? He can't? but I'm with Ocho on this one. What is your expectations? You know what happens. Joe, you never outlive your draft status. So wherever you were selected, that's how people look at you. He was the number one over. Was Jason Tatum in that draft or Markel's folks? Which one of those guys was in that draft?

59:42Shannon Sharpe:I know, I think Donovan Mitchell. Yeah, Donovan Mitchell was. Donovan Mitchell came after him because they thought Donovan Mitchell thought he should have won because he said this man already been in the league. Yeah, Donovan Mitchell was in that draft. I mean, Donovan average like – No, no, no. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he was still considered a rookie. Yes, yes, yes. But did he come in with B.I. or did he come in with Jason Tatum? Damn, I don't think he came in with Jason Tatum.

1:00:14Shannon Sharpe:Ash, who's in that draft? Huh? Okay, hold on. Ben Simmons was one. Brandon Inger was two. Jalen Brown was three. Dragan Bender was four. Chris Dunn was five. Buddy Hill, six. Jamar Murray, seven. Marquise Chris, eight. Yaka Pearl was nine.

1:00:39I mean,

1:00:44Shannon Sharpe:all things being said, you can make a case that Jalen Brown has been the best player in that draft. Jamal Murray. I mean, look, Jamal Murray, Brandon Ingram, and Jalen Brown. Jalen Brown and Murray both have won titles. JB's been a Finals MVP and an Eastern Conference MVP.

1:01:14Shannon Sharpe:But, yeah, because if I'm not mistaken, and what you call him came out?

1:01:20Shannon Sharpe:Okay. Siakam was 27, and what you call him? DeMontis Sabonis. So that meant Ingram came out the next, I mean JT came out the next. He came out with Donovan Mitchell, him and Donovan Mitchell in the same draft? Yeah. Yeah. Well, no. So that would have been the draft that Markel's folks, Lonzo Ball. Nah, that ain't that draft. You sure? Oh yeah? That was that draft, right? Woo! Hey, that's a good draft right there, boy. Hmm. But yeah, now Donovan average, he averaged about 20 that year. And I think Ben Simmons only averaged like 16 or 17 or something like that. Yeah. And he still won Rookie of the Year.

1:02:14Yeah.

1:02:16Shannon Sharpe:so I wish you the best Joe like you I just hopefully he's healthy you know he had issue with back and we've all had I don't know Ocho you say you ain't really had no back problem Joe I know you've had a little back problem I've had some back problems that ain't nothing to be it ain't nothing to be played with but I noticed I know cats who had that low back problem and really had no low back problem so you can't dictate you know if you a doctor or something looking at somebody low back you don't know if he really hurting or not you know what I mean I'm telling you because I know guys who I'm talking about.

1:02:47They got fat injuries. Man, listen. Hey, look. Hey, man. Wasn't nothing wrong with him, man. I don't know, Joe. I don't know. He pulling the wool over his ass. Hey, Joe. Uncle Joe, man. He don't want to shoot. He don't want to shoot the ball. He under the goal. He passing it back out to somebody. He wide open. He don't want to go through the free throw line.

1:03:07Shannon Sharpe:We trust the process. And the process was some. Because think about it. They had Markel's fault, number one overall. Ben Simmons, number one overall. I think they had Jordan B like number three. That was the process. Man. Hey, can you imagine if he had Kobe mentality? I'm not saying he was Kobe. Nah, man, you can't have everything, Ocho. Hey, Joe, that's why this is... You can't make the man 6 '10 with that mentality, Ocho. I mean, just the mentality. The mentality like Jordan. Just imagine if Kobe was 6 '9. Ugh, that's nasty. What the hell? I don't know. Just like, just have. Okay, what if Steph Curry with 6 '7"?

1:03:46Yeah. Okay, how about this? Okay, not the Kobe mentality, but just have some dog in him. How about some work in him? He ain't got no dog in him. But that comes from training, though, Ocho. Look, I don't know about y 'all. Nah, nah, nah, nah. You can't train to be no dog. You see Castle over there with the Spurs? That ain't training. That's already in you. Either you got it or you don't. You can't train for that. The work that you put in should result in you gaining a lot of confidence, bro. Joe, he's been playing basketball since he was, what, four years old, four, five, six, seven years old? You might not be putting the work in.

1:04:23You got to really love it, Ocho.

1:04:27Shannon Sharpe:So you said he might be mistaken habit for hard work? Because he go to the gym every day and get up 100, 200 shots? He working hard? Oh, that habit of hard work, Joe. Hey, he don't love the game. Hey, if you ain't got that love and passion for it, bro, you might as well keep it moving. Straight up. Look, hey, for your sake, Joe, I want to see him get back in the league and see if he can salvage something. Like you said, he's 29 years of age. 29 years of age, and I think he'll probably get a shot, Joe. I think he'll get a shot at 6 '10". He going to make it worse, huh? He going to make it worse.

1:05:08How? so people gonna be um if you if you think they was on your head before you done took a year off and you come back and still playing the same way and you shot don't want to shoot man they're gonna kill you you already ain't had no confidence and you come and you come back and doing the same damn thing again you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna have to get out the mud for real because get what you're going to do if i'm your agent yeah i can get you in training camp they may have a spot open but hell they ain't gonna just give it to you you're gonna have to earn it

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