In short
Sports talk and predictions on the Thunder vs Spurs NBA series, plus discussion of what the Timberwolves need to do after being knocked out by OKC and San Antonio; later, a track-and-field rules story about Mallard Creek Track & Field disqualification and broader track/celebration debate.
Guests/backgrounds
No named guests appear. The hosts are Joe Johnson and Shannon Sharpe, with “Ocho” as a recurring co-host/voice in the conversation.
Key claims
- Jalen Williams should return for OKC Game 1 vs the Spurs; OKC needs him back in the lineup and off the bench.
- Spurs vs Thunder will hinge on turnover creation and ball security; both teams “thrive” on forcing turnovers.
- Naz Reid’s viral answers: Minnesota must be less “moody,” more selfless, and play with stability/team chemistry like OKC/San Antonio.
- Timberwolves need roster changes because Rudy at the five limits offense/fit; Julius Randle is criticized for inconsistent shooting (about 34% in the series) and may be moved.
Notable examples
- Mallard Creek disqualified from a 4x4 after taunting/unsportsmanlike conduct; the same athlete had a 300m hurdles state record earlier.
- Wembanyama matchup concerns (foul trouble/defensive dominance) and comparisons to Jokic-era success.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOJalen Williams Returns to Thunder
2:52 to 4:12
Insights on Jalen Williams' return and the upcoming Thunder game against the Spurs.
“Jalen Williams will return to the Thunder lineup for Game 1 versus the Spurs.”
Analyzing Thunder vs. Spurs Matchup
4:12 to 5:58
Discussion on the strategies and players that will impact the Thunder vs. Spurs series.
“I'm curious to see how dominant he'll be against Hardenstein and Chick.”
Naz Reid's Insights on Timberwolves
5:58 to 9:30
Naz Reid shares thoughts on what the Timberwolves need to improve to compete.
“You gave up four guys that are 16 or better.”
Discussion on Player Mentality
13:42 to 14:00
Evaluate comments made regarding player mentality and the Timberwolves' performance.
Discussing Player Moodiness
14:00 to 15:10
The hosts explore the impact of player moods on performance and team dynamics.
“Now, let's not jump to conclusions because my knee bad so I don't want to jump it into the game.”
Evaluating the Timberwolves' Needs
15:10 to 19:10
A deep dive into what changes the Timberwolves must make to improve.
“On the court, obviously, you're playing the game.”
Assessing Individual Player Contributions
19:10 to 23:00
The hosts analyze the contributions of specific players like Rudy Gobert and Julius Randle.
“I just, and if I'm looking at Julius in this series, it makes it real easy, Joe.”
Strategizing for Future Success
23:00 to 28:00
The hosts discuss strategies and potential trades for the Timberwolves' future.
“The old guys that I like, I got to have, the must have.”
Timberwolves' Next Moves
28:00 to 29:10
The discussion centers on potential trades for the Timberwolves, focusing on Julius Randle and Anthony Davis.
“as bad as he played this series, whatever move the Wolves make next, their next move got to be their best move.”
Accountability in Player Health
29:10 to 30:25
A conversation about the importance of player health and accountability regarding diet and fitness.
“Hey, Joe, I don't know what kind of GM he is because he only going to give us 20, 30 games a season.”
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Preparation Beyond the Game
30:25 to 31:40
Exploring the significance of preparation and lifestyle choices for young athletes aiming for success.
“Well, Joe, you realize a lot of young people think the game, that's the only thing, the game.”
Diet Changes and Performance
31:40 to 34:20
Hosts share personal experiences regarding dietary changes and their impact on athletic performance.
“It takes a special type of person when you've had success doing it one way and say, you know what?”
The Shift in Nutritional Awareness
34:20 to 36:40
Discussing the evolution of nutritional awareness among athletes and its effects on their careers.
“and I know I joke around about my diet and my nutrition.”
Future Aspirations and Goals
36:40 to 38:50
The co-hosts discuss aspirations regarding fitness, health, and potentially featuring on the cover of Men's Health.
“I start feathering my low back, get that Christmas tree.”
Traveling and Podcasting Challenges
42:00 to 43:00
Discussing the difficulties of maintaining a workout routine while traveling and podcasting.
“Man, it'd be hard for me to get a workout here, man.”
Diet and Discipline for Fitness
43:00 to 44:40
Exploring the importance of diet and discipline in achieving fitness goals.
“So I don't think it's gonna be no sweets though.”
Disqualification Controversy in Track
47:26 to 49:50
Analyzing a disqualification incident in track and field and discussing sportsmanship.
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Celebrations and Rules in Sports
49:50 to 54:02
Debating the rules around celebrations in track and field versus other sports.
“My daughter, my daughter got in trouble like that.”
Upcoming Talents in Track and Field
54:02 to 56:00
Discussing the impressive performances of young athletes and their potential.
“He going, I think he's going to Mississippi State.”
Track Records and Rising Stars
56:00 to 58:00
Discussion about women's track records and standout athletes.
“I want this 400 world record that they say, well, nobody's going to touch it, and nobody's come close until she did.”
Experiencing Track Meets
58:00 to 1:01:20
Insights on the excitement and atmosphere of track meets.
“Hey, because we just saw the guy from Kenya that just broke the wind go 150, go sub two hours in the marathon.”
Transcript
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2:52Shannon Sharpe:Jalen Williams will return to the Thunder lineup for Game 1 versus the Spurs. Williams has been out since Game 2 of the first round sweep of the Suns. Joe, starting Jalen Williams, or are you staying with a Jay Mitchell? Yeah, no, I'm starting Jalen Williams. Hey, we ain't got time to be playing no more games here. Hey, Jay Mitchell, hey, we appreciate that. And guess what? We're going to need that coming off the bench too. Appreciate your contribution. You know what I mean? Oh, yes, sir. But we need that all-star. We need Jalen back in the lineup, bro, playing against these Spurs. Hey, man, they're going to have their hands full, man.
3:26Shannon Sharpe:They're going to have their hands full against the Spurs team. Spurs got to make sure they just – The thing is with them, though, man, they just hit you with this wave, man. You can be up by four, and the next thing you know, the Thunder, bro, you down 10. Just that quick. They turn you over. And they turn those turnovers into points quick. They both play like that, though, Anken Ocho. They got similar styles. You know, it's going to be interesting to see who really takes care of the ball, meaning limiting turnovers and able to get great shots every time because they both thrive off making you turn the ball over and turning them turnovers into points.
4:12Shannon Sharpe:Yep. So, and will Wimby back there, bro? I'm curious to see how dominant he'll be against Hardenstein and Chick. I know him and Chick has had their back and forth over the years. Yeah. And I think it's going to be a hell of a battle. It's going to be a hell of a... He's going to have to stay out of fire trouble, Joe. He can't get in fire trouble like he did against, like, what you call him, because those bigs, see, he didn't have to worry about that big. He didn't have to worry about Rudy. Because Rudy can't hurt him scoring. Chick can hurt you scoring. and and harden sign got a nice little flow game to where he got a nice little touch shot you know he ain't got always dunk the ball i think he a hell of a decision maker he a lot better decision maker he's a better decision maker than rudy is with the ball in his hands going in the dribble handoffs getting into the teeth of the defense spread out for three the the the chemistry that harden sign and check has meaning on that back line to where they throwing lobs and getting each that's going to come into play this whole entire series.
5:11Shannon Sharpe:And both of those guys are more active than Rudy. So that's the problem that you run into when you go out. Now you got seven footers that are active. Rudy, unfortunately, Rudy basically a fire hydrant.
5:27Shannon Sharpe:Because offensively he couldn't give you nothing. Now, Cornette played really well. I like Cornette. I like Cornette. I like his game. Joe, look, he going to hustle. He gonna give you some rebounds. He gonna give you some second chance points. Hey, he'll give you a put back. He'll give you a lot, you know, he'll lob threat. Boston missed him too. Yeah, that's the law they do. Boston missed him this year. Okay, I think they kind of took him for granted in the role that he played over the past few years. Cause he was great for them. But you gave up him and you gave up Big Al. Okay, you like Quater.
6:01Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, and Porzingis, shit. You gave up four guys that are 16 or better. yeah but hey look porzingis always hurt ocho but when he came back in them finals yeah he won them at least two games in that finals yeah hey i i can't remember who y 'all said i just want to make sure i take i take a good mental note of it though this spur the spurs thunder series who y 'all got now let me make sure y 'all on point I got OKC, man. I got OKC. OK. Who you got? Who you got, Ocho? Huh? Who you got? Oh, I ain't got nobody in this series. You got to have somebody. You got to pick somebody, Ocho. We can't play like that.
6:43Shannon Sharpe:Go ahead and take with me. You know what? Huh? You're on my ass. His jank ass. He probably... Hey, y 'all... I see y 'all kind of mad. I done been right all these months, huh? Well, listen. We on Nightcap, man. you have to pick a side homeboy you can't just i did i've been picking a side since well pick one now me and all got okay see who you got well you know what i don't want to be like y 'all so i'm going but i'm going with the spurs i already knew you're gonna go against the grain i'm gonna go with the spurs hey let me tell you something y 'all been wrong y 'all been wrong the whole the whole time so i mean but i know one thing i know i know the nick i know the nick coming out the east i I know that.
7:25I know that for sure. Now, this game, I mean, this series between the Spurs and the Thunder, that's tough. That's tough.
7:34Shannon Sharpe:It is. I ain't going to lie. It is. It's going to be a tough one. You can't pick his game. Well, I'm going to take who y 'all didn't take. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no. I'm taking – hey, listen. There's one common denominator, hear? That separates himself from everybody else. There's only one liking, and that's the only reason I'm picking the Spurs, because of the alien. All right. Well, he got some guys who are going to be guarding who can slide them puppies. Now, if he shoot over the top of them, they shake his hand, pat him on the back, hey, good game. Yes, sir. But one page they need to take from the Timberwolves is you're going to have to be physical as hell with them.
8:12Hey, you do know something, right? Every team I done picked so far, from March Madness all the way through the NBA playoffs, everybody has won. You know that, right?
8:19Shannon Sharpe:No, you did not have Michigan winning. No, you did not. Yes, I did. No, you didn't, bro. You had more teams to go further than Joe and I, but you did not have the winner. Well, listen, the fact that I had more teams go further than both of y 'all, what did that tell you? You got lucky, bro. Okay, so what about the NBA playoffs? I guess this is luck, too, huh? Yeah, you did picking. I mean, you did picking with your iron clothes. No, no, no, no, no. But we see now, guess what? They're going to 78 teams. So guess what? College going to seven days. So I'm gonna take it serious next year and beat the brakes off dog.
9:00Okay. All right. Listen, hey, y 'all been taking the NBA playoff series. You see, I'm still with y 'all.
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13:49Shannon Sharpe:What does it mean? What do you think? I can't hear nothing he said. self and less selfless. So he want us to be selfless and he wants to be less moody. Now, let's not jump to conclusions because my knee bad so I don't want to jump it into the game. But who could he possibly be talking about? Because the only reason that's going viral is y 'all know who y 'all know.
14:20Shannon Sharpe:Talk to me. Yeah, talk to me. i'm talking about rudy he's talking about one or two players who is moody am i ant-man or juro ant-man named moody oh ju randall yeah i can kind of see that yeah ant-man ain't moody i've no yeah i mean so if i i can see that somebody say if the cia interrogate me and they don't waterborne me like 10 times. Julius! Julius! Julius! He's talking about Julius.
14:56Hey, but see, you know, the thing is, especially when he says things like that, those are the things that we can't see. We can't see when he's moody. You know, he talk about stuff that's internal that we can't even see. Obviously, when the game of basketball is going on, the camera's pan to you when you're on the court. On the court, obviously, you're playing the game. So you don't get to see exactly what he's talking about. He telling us what's going on internally.
15:19Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Yet again, letting the cat out the bag. The man, as you say, with the Wolves getting knocked out, OKC and San Antonio the last two seasons, what can you do to keep up with those guys? He said, those guys play selfless. Those guys play like they're having fun playing for one another. So if I say, man, Shannon, those other podcasts are doing really, really well with the combo, what do you think What do you think you guys need to do in order to catch up? Well, I think we could, you know, have fun when we're on air. I think, you know, be a little less selfish. Selfish. What do you think people are gonna do from that?
16:05Yeah, Joe. What? Is it damn? Damn.
16:26Hey, Joe, you ain't want to pay my five. Yeah, you definitely a problem though. Wow.
16:36Shannon Sharpe:See that we're talking about pointing the finger. That's what we talking about right there. Hey, Joe, I never point the finger because if I point at you, it's three more point back at me, Joe. Yeah, but you did just point the finger at me though. Yeah, you came with three of us and you said, yeah, you know. Hey, listen, we just, y 'all, this is just a hypothetical. This ain't real. This ain't real. See, we don't have any problems like we have. You said hypothetically it would be Joe though. We speaking hypothetically, but hypothetically it would be Joe.
17:05Shannon Sharpe:Hey, hey, but what y 'all playing though? What kind of dude with Ocho man? Hey, listen. Hey, they know he a little throw though. Hey, listen, while y 'all playing though, Minnesota got some, they got to make some changes. They got to make some changes. You know - I'm glad you said that. Now, when we talk about changes, Joe and Uph, what kind of change are we talking? I think, man, listen, you gonna have to listen to a little bit of everything. Obviously, you know, they got some great pieces over there that I think some teams will want, you know, in exchange for, you know, some pretty good, some a pretty good player or two but they they it's something they missing obviously having rudy at the five you know it kind of it kind of hurts you playing against hell the upper echelon teams meaning the spurs and okc oh you can't compete with them no so so so so so joe you let rudy go just because the two teams you can't compete well how am i supposed to advance if i can't if my guy can't outplay those guys and i'm not talking about every game but he gotta win a game.
18:09But this is the funny thing about it, right? You don't like Rudy because you want to change your personnel based on two teams that you can't compete with because Rudy is basically a liability on the offense end. And defensively, he can't do nothing but goddamn Wimby. Who the hell else can? Go get Giannis. I bet you he can make a difference. Giannis in Minnesota?
18:29Shannon Sharpe:And I think the thing is, look, we know Ant-Man's personality. I don't know. Ant is the only guy, I think, in the NBA that come to work. He ain't never mad. He would, every time he show up, he key, key, key. Yeah. Hey, look, whether he leading them in scoring or whether he not. Yeah, and you can appreciate that, bro. You absolutely can. You can appreciate that. I think for me personally, I think Nasri, I think McDaniels, I think Ant-Man, and then everybody else, if you want, hey, I'm open for business. I would like to keep the chairman but if somebody make me an offer Joe and I have to package him to get a player that I really think can help us get over the hump I gotta do it I agree I don't think they gonna be able to keep Ayo I think he a free agent too yeah he gonna be gone yeah I think you do a sign and trade some way somehow to where you can you can get that missing piece that can help y 'all get over the top Yeah.
19:33Shannon Sharpe:I just, and if I'm looking at Julius in this series, it makes it real easy, Joe. It makes it real easy to move on. Even prior to this. And like I said, now we're speculating, chat. We're speculating. Rudy is not enough enough. He can't never be upset. But with that being said, with the way he played, that man gave us three points. Yeah. That man gave us three points. He probably averaged like 10 points in this series. Nah. Hell nah. I don't even know if he averaged 10. I think the disheartening thing with Rudy is he was so great in the Denver series playing against Jokic. And hell, you just meet a different animal in Wemby because he ain't bound to the floor.
20:23Shannon Sharpe:Hell, he too agile. He too mobile. You know, at his height, there's nothing you can do with him, bro. You got to have good feet. just to keep it in front of him. Yeah, it's just tough. It's just tough because some games you see Randall, he'll give you 26 and 12, and then some games, it's like, bro, damn. Yeah.
20:53Shannon Sharpe:What you looking, how many years? Rudy got left? No, Julius. Julius got one year and a player option. How much is the player option? Oh, he picking that up. 35.8. He ain't getting that. Nah, not unless somebody, not unless the team tell him they're going to give him a new deal if he opt out. Nah, hey, you be like James Harden, opt out and they don't do nothing. Oh, man. Oh, no. But I just think me personally, guys, I got to do something, Ocho, to try to catch up. I got to. I got no choice. Those guys are young. Those guys are young. Look at Wimby. Look at Castle. Look at Harper. Those guys are young.
21:40Shannon Sharpe:Champagny. Bassel. Those guys are not old. They're going to be a four-one. Wait. And you look at – hold on. The old guy in OKC is Caruso. So all them guys 27 are younger. Yeah. So what I'm supposed to do is just wait till they get old. We gonna get old before they do. Hell no, I gotta change this up. Joe, I got you. I ain't got no choice. Fact, fact. You have to make some new additions to your squad, bro. And hopefully it makes you a better team because you can't continue to come back. Now I know, I think, how many years Rudy got left on his deal? I think he got a big, I think he on a big deal.
22:24Shannon Sharpe:Rudy, he can't have no more than like one in the player option. I don't know if you gonna be able to move none of them dudes, for real. Hey, Joe, that's the one thing you can't do though. You heard what you said? What's that? You hope. Whatever choice you decide to make from this point on, knowing that you have to find a way to hang with the goddamn Thunder and hang with the Spurs, You can't hope. Your next decision has to be your best decision if it's talking about improving and keeping up with them boys. I agree. I think you got – but look, you got great pieces in Ant-Man, McDaniels. Who else you got?
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23:04Shannon Sharpe:Ant-Man, McDaniels. You got – that's basically it. The old guys that I like, I got to have, the must have. I like Terrence Shannon. I really do. Yeah, I do too. I like it. some more, but you're probably not, because he's probably played himself into a bigger contract. Yes. Hey, I got a question. Do you think they bring Mike Conley back? He ain't, I mean, look, he ain't gonna cost you no money. I mean, I can bring him back on a vet minimum. Yeah. He's great for the locker room. Great leader. Keep everybody. He can knock down some big shots. It ain't gonna cost no money. And Mike going, he gonna be going into what?
23:43Shannon Sharpe:Year 19? because I think Mike came in in 2007, 2008. He came in with KD. So KD came in in what, 2007? So he came in with KD because he was in the draft with KD and Greg Oden. Greg Oden, yeah. They both played Ohio State. But what I, hey look, but you ain't gonna have Devin Chinzo the whole year. He out the whole year. He ain't, you know, I think some, Man, I ain't gonna lie, I hope they keep Ayo to some move. I hope they keep him, I like him. I hope they can. I think, you know, cause somebody gonna pay him some big money for it. He played his best at the right time, in the post season. Yeah, and the opportunity came, he flourished in it too.
24:30Shannon Sharpe:And so that's the thing, I mean, they look, baby. What did Julius Ramle average in this series? Cause I know he shot less than 40%. He had to have. If we shot 40%, it was 40.7. Yeah, I got them some way, somehow putting the knives, reading that starting lineup come next season. Somebody going to be gone. Well, I think you got to try something. Because we tried this formula the last two years, and the product that we were trying to make, it didn't sell. Now, it doesn't do us any good that we're in the same conference. with teams that are younger than us, and they've knocked us out every year.
25:21Shannon Sharpe:He shot 34 % from the floor, Joe, in the series. Damn. What are the average points?
25:32Shannon Sharpe:Come on now. 34 %? You shooting 34 % as a power forward.
25:40Shannon Sharpe:and they played a lot through him early in this series too
25:49Shannon Sharpe:he averaged 13 points joe damn yeah they gonna take they gonna make some changes fella i think they gonna start with him You probably right. Damn. All things being equal, hell, you know who might be okay for them? He could block y 'all to knock down threes. Who that? And he ain't gonna be in Milwaukee, Miles Turner. Nah, nah, nah. Hey, but Ant-Man don't do nothing cause he gonna put your business in the street. Nah, we don't need - Oh man, come on. now we don't need no he didn't mean to say that he didn't mean to say what about y 'all that's not coming to me don't come over there and be in Lake
26:43yeah he did yeah leave my house right there
26:45Shannon Sharpe:but my thing is I'm trying to figure out how did they think they would be better off with you than Kat that's what I need somebody to help me understand Joe because I think Cat had fell in love so much with that jump shot like Ocho there. He wasn't giving them the productivity that they would like from him at that five spot. He was playing a four next to Rudy. He fell in love with that jumper. He said, shit, we got Rudy down there. I ain't going in the frame. Imagine Miles Turner and Rudy on the defensive end. with Jane Daniels, you win.
27:29Shannon Sharpe:I can see something. I can see a little something. I can see a little something. I keep Nas on my bench because I know he's going to give me somewhere between 16 and 18 off the bench. I need that. I need that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You don't have to figure out something. Honestly, Joe, I would consider it. But I think they're going to move on from Ju. I do. I think they're going to move on from Ju Randall. if they can't. Hey, your next move, listen, as bad as he played this series, whatever move the Wolves make next, their next move got to be their best move. It got to be their best move, and whoever you go to replace Julius Randle has to be that much better.
28:16Shannon Sharpe:He has to be that much better. What if you give up Randle,
28:22Shannon Sharpe:Goldbear, and Shannon. For who? Goddamn, Joe. For Giannis. Oh. Oh. I bet they're gonna want draft compensation too. I bet they're gonna want draft compensation, Joe. Now, I tell you who they, A, what if they put AD next to Rudy and Ant-Man? Man, you keep hollering with AD. I'm just saying. I'm saying. I know you like AD. The man can give you 20 and 10. He can play. He can give you two, three blocks a game. He can stretch the floor. Got a nice mid. He can post. He can shoot the three. He is 75 to 80 % free throw shooter. I'm just trying to play general manager. That's all, Joe. Hey, Joe, I don't know what kind of GM he is because he only going to give us 20, 30 games a season.
29:19That's not going to help us in the postseason. and the best ability is availability. Hey, hey, hey. Somebody who ain't never available.
29:26Shannon Sharpe:If we get AD, if the Timberwolves get AD, then they got to go visit him at least two, three times a month. We got to go visit him two, three times a month, make sure he's doing what he's supposed to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We got to make sure. Y 'all might have to put that pack right on the hook. We got to keep your body fat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, hey. Weight, body fat, we got to check that every Friday. Make it good. Hey, look, man. I don't think that's a – I think more teams should operate like that. Because it'll hold guys accountable, bro. You won't just be out here pigging out, eating whatever.
29:58Shannon Sharpe:You know what I mean? I think what a lot of cats don't realize, especially the young ones coming into the NBA, like how important it is to really take care of your body, what you eat, what you putting inside your body, bro. Like the things that you do outside of being on the court, that's going to determine how effective you are when you're on the court. And I think a lot of young cats think that they can continue to eat these Zuzus and Wham Whams every damn day and come to the game and think you're going to be him. It ain't going to work like that. Well, Joe, you realize a lot of young people think the game, that's the only thing, the game.
30:36Shannon Sharpe:But it's so much more to play in the game. The game ain't won at the game. It's the lead up. It's Monday, Tuesday when you're not playing. The preparation. We got to be ready on Sunday. You'll win the game on Monday through Friday. Yeah. And that's what people don't understand. Man, no, no, no, no. I need to know your preparation. I need to know your study habits. I need to know your training. What did you do? Did you get in there? You get your lift in? You get your cold tub? You get your massage? You get your body right? You just don't show up. Right. Don't, bro. The mailman just don't, the mailman what he gotta do?
31:15Shannon Sharpe:Before he get on that route, what he do? He sort the mail. He just don't go on the route, he don't just dump all the mail in the box, he don't tell you just like, hang on.
31:26Shannon Sharpe:No, he sort it all out, know the route that he gonna take, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And that's how you, that's how you, but when you young, Joe, when you young, and you've had success doing it that way, It takes a special type of person when you've had success doing it one way and say, you know what? I still believe I can be better. Let me try this. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, a lot goes into obviously the team you go to and the damn veteran guys that you have on that team, bro. Guys who can really show you the ropes when they see you doing wrong or they see you. I'm going to tell you, guy called me out at the grocery store when I first got here to Atlanta.
32:14Shannon Sharpe:He seen the basket I had. He seen all the food I had. He was like, man, how the hell do you think you're going to go out and play and compete eating all this bull jive? You know what I mean? And so you don't really take all that into consideration, bro, until somebody really break it down for you. Hey, man, you got this high-performance sports car and you putting this damn regular gas in it, it's going to break down on you, partner. You're right, Joe. I was the same way. Man, I had all that Minute Maid fruit juice. Man, I had zebra cake, oatmeal pie, and the nutty butter. Hey, man, hey, I'm doing, I ain't have no pots and pans.
32:53Shannon Sharpe:Hey, my girl cook for me, share the rest of her soul. She's like, boo, you ain't got no pots, no pans? I say, nope. Nothing. Not one. You ain't got nothing but microwave but hot pockets and pieces and shit that you warming up in. Man, please, that shit ain't gonna get it, bro. And when I first moved to Denver, I could walk out my apartment and walk to a 7-Eleven. And I'm going to get them. Hey, Joe, you remember we growing up in the South? You getting them sandwiches that you pop in the microwave? I go get them. Warm me up one of them sandwiches, get me some chips and a soda, and I'm right back to the apartment.
33:31Shannon Sharpe:I'm good for the night. I wanna chime in so bad, but I can't. You can't relate. I can't man. You been eating them Mickey D's. Hey Joe, I'm talking about, man, I was, man. I don't know what, if it wasn't broke, don't fix it. I mean, even the Bengals had a nutritionist come in and she left a letter in Malaka, you know, come let's meet at a certain time and see what we can do to help you out. And help me out? Help me do what? So you good. Man, Joe, I'm eating McDonald's in the morning going out there. I'm going four for 160, Joe. Two TDs. Out there celebrating. A salsa in the end zone. Yeah, yeah.
34:15Of cheeseburgers. What you finna help me with? And I think the lucky thing for me, Joe, and I know I joke around about my diet and my nutrition. The lucky thing for me is the fact that I was able to eat the way I ate, but I never got hurt, Joe. If I got hurt, I guarantee you. I guarantee you I would have changed what I was eating because I was the reason I got hurt.
34:34Shannon Sharpe:You were lucky one, Ocho. Yeah, I was blessed. Well, you know, hey, Joe, me, I was like, you know what, I was like, man, my cousin, he used to be a bodybuilder, and he's like, man, he's a cuz. Because I told him what I was eating, he's a cuz. Yeah. You ever thought what you look like if you were to eat, like, don't eat all that stuff all the time? Yeah. I'm like, nah. He's like, see ya, cuz. so he lived in San Antonio I said you know what cuz I'm gonna come out there I'm gonna come out there I'm gonna work out which I went out there for a week he used to be a power lifter so he was I mean he could deadlift actually he had the world record for like 10 minutes he deadlifted at 220 pounds 804 pounds because squadron 700 bench over 500 at 220 so I went out there watched how he ate his wife cooking.
35:31Shannon Sharpe:I said, okay, I'm going to see that. Man, I got back home. I started eating chicken breast. I started eating rice. I started eating veggies. I started eating like oatmeal and healthy.
35:48Hey, you don't know how bad you feel
35:52Shannon Sharpe:until you start feeling better, bro. Until you start really honing in on that diet, eating right, start shredding that fat, and you start to see the ripple. Yeah, man. That's what keep you going. When you start, hey, hey, hey, once you look in the mirror and you say, hold on, last week I ain't really look like this, boy, this, hey, hold on. That's me, that's me. Every week you start to get a little chiseled up. That's me. Hey, hey, Joe, wait till y 'all see me. Hey, all that chiseled was like, well, damn. You know, all your day, whatever, well, damn. Yeah, yeah. Go back over there. Let me see.
36:31Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. No, no. What? I'm shocked.
36:39Shannon Sharpe:Hey, hey, it make it go a little more. Yeah. Oh, man, you start. Hey, I'm talking about, man, me. I mean, I eat right. When I was young, I get some cardio in. I start feathering my low back, get that Christmas tree. I start feathering. and start feathering, oh yeah, yeah. I used to get down to five. Yeah. Hey. Now it's hard, Lord have mercy, Lord have mercy. I ain't got, hey Joe, I ain't got to that point yet boy. You hear me? You know, I'm waiting on the summer. You know, when I pop out this summer, Joe, it's gonna be crazy boy. Yeah. Oh yeah boy. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. All right, hey man, we have to, We have to get on men's health or something.
37:24Shannon Sharpe:Get the cover of men's - Hey, oh that's a good one. Yeah, you know what Joe? Now you give me something to shoot for Joe. Do you give me, hey, now you know I'm very gold driven. Need something to make you lock in. Something to make you lock in. Hey, hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me see who, hey, who's the owner of men's health? She don't start me lying. Come on man, tell them give us the cover brother. You know what I mean? Show them how to do it. Okay, hey, Men's Health Magazine is owned by the global media company called Hearst. Hey, Hearst, this is Nightcap, obviously. My co-host, Joe Johnson and Shannon Sharp.
38:08We would like to be, you know, simple.
38:12Shannon Sharpe:We wanna bless the cover. Yeah, we wanna bless the cover, you know. There we go. We are three hardworking, you know, older men. Oh yeah, I'm about to. I do that thing right. You know, carb up. Yes sir, yes sir, yes sir. Hey, all I need is two weeks, boy, because I'm already in. I need more than two weeks now. I mean, two weeks ain't gonna get me like, get my 10 pounds off it, but I'm talking about, to cut it up, I probably need by eight to 10 weeks to cut it up. Okay. Yeah, hey, hey, tell them, set us up, man. We want the July to August issue. Okay. You must be talking about - Hey, matter of fact - First of all, they already got the issue shot all the way to February of next year.
38:54Shannon Sharpe:So you gotta hope for the swimmer next year. Hey, hold on, hold on. You don't think we can cut the line next year? Joe, I promise you, that's how magazines work. Cause I shot - I'm trying to think.
39:14Shannon Sharpe:Bro, that'll be hard, boy. Hey, don't underestimate the power of the big three now. Don't do that. Don't do that. It don't matter who they got. But one thing about, we grace the cover? What? Are you talking about moving the needle? Come on, man. Come on, man. You know, I'm shy. You know, hey, I don't want the type of problems no more, man. I don't want the type of problems. You don't want the type of problems. Hey, you can play the shy guy, man. man, Ocho got you. You can play the shot guy. I already know mama go play. Hey, don't play with me. Hey, who was shot guy in the five heartbeats? Was it Doug?
39:52Shannon Sharpe:Nah, uh-uh. I forgot his name. He's a little high-pitched singing. Quiet boy. Quiet boy, yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to be quiet, boy. You go ahead, I'm gonna be on. No, no, no, no, no. I'm telling you, Ocho, I don't walk around my house naked. I got you, but we gonna be on this cover. I mean, I'm, you know, I'm good at that a little bit. Now, you know, I get the, you know. Hey, hey, hey, Joe, I'm gonna be baby oiled up, Joe. You hear me? You only do all that, Ocho.
40:23Shannon Sharpe:You only do all that, Ocho. You only do all that. Hey, I want you to be able to see every cut, every definition. What? Hey, hey, I'm like, hey, I'm like you. Boy, you give me something like that to shoot for? Oh, for sure. Oh, yeah. I can lock in. Right now, hey, I lock in for two or three days. I'm like, damn. I sure. You know what? Them canes, that canes four-piece. Let me go get that. Hey, let me get the extra fries and no coleslaw.
40:57Shannon Sharpe:I like it. I had to say we'll do a special night camp magazine. Oh, OK. You know what? OK. Come out with all you want. That's what I'm talking about. Okay, that'll work. See, man, I just, I thought every time I tried to get out, I just wanna live my life. I just wanna live. What you mean? Well, hold on, Unc. If you wanna live your life, I done told you what you need to start doing. What? That man ruined the conversation. Yeah, you know what? I ain't even say no, I'm just saying. You talk about you wanna live your life. How does that help Joe and I reach our goals by doing what you suggest? I mean, not doing it, how it's going to help you reach your goal?
41:38Easy.
41:42Shannon Sharpe:Hey, they give you some extra testosterone or something, old Joe? Yes, Joe. Yes, Joe. You go long-winded damn bad, I say, at this point. Yeah, Joe. I just heard testosterone, yeah. So whatever you're talking about, yeah.
42:02Shannon Sharpe:Nah, man. You know what?
42:06Shannon Sharpe:See, I be traveling so much. Man, it'd be hard for me to get a workout here, man. I be on that road. We be getting in late, Joy, and have to get up early. I got a podcast. I got a podcast every day. What's the date? Tomorrow? Yeah, I got two. I'm shooting two pods every day till Friday. Hey, man, just give us a date, bro. Me and Ocho gonna come to Vegas. We'll come to Vegas and do it. we gotta get we gotta get past these what you call them what the nba playoffs so we don't have to do all these days do it six seven days straight yeah yeah well it's kind of it's kind of winding down now we down to 14 but guess what you know the games are monday tuesday wednesday thursday friday saturday sunday monday yep all the way to the finals yep absolutely right so So unless somebody sweet.
43:03Shannon Sharpe:Damn. So I don't think it's gonna be no sweets though. But I think, I think, you know, we gonna get it. We got, hey, I tell you what, you know, y 'all talking about doing something, y 'all talking about really doing it, well I do it.
43:17Shannon Sharpe:And listen, don't threaten me with no good time. Y 'all let me know what's happening. Hey, I'm telling you this thing be looking like onions, onion skin. I can get it. Hey, y 'all done, y 'all done, y 'all done know how I can get it. I can get it, get it. Get it, get it. Get it, get it. Yeah, yeah. So, if y 'all serious, then let me know. Y 'all serious, we gonna do it. Yeah, we serious, man, we serious. Ocho, you serious? You know good and well, I'm in the gym every morning, huh? Every morning. Oh, Joe, but you do realize in order to get the look that you're going for, you can't get it at McDonald's.
44:00Shannon Sharpe:Oh, no. Listen, I ain't got no problem, you know, having a nice little strict diet just to reach a certain goal. Okay. Okay. Ain't nothing wrong with that, man. Hey, three, four meals a day, maybe five small ones. Damn. You know, rice, pasta, you know, to keep that weight on me, Joe. Yeah. Yeah, I'm good. You know, I got one thing I do have. I got discipline. Well, depending on what we're doing. Yeah, I had to throw that out there. Yeah, all right. Well, I guess I have to go up there and after the show, I have to work on like, okay, Shelly, just what you need to do. Amazon Health AI presents Painful Thoughts.
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47:39Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Mallory Creek Boys track and field was disqualified for an unsportsmanlike conduct after winning the four-by-four relay in the final event that would have given them the North Carolina State Championship. Had the results stayed, the Mavericks would have won a team state title. That's all he did. Instead, they remained in second place. Watch this, Joe, and tell me what you think.
48:10All he did was put his hand up, man.
48:14Shannon Sharpe:And they disqualified him? But it should do her. Yeah. Why? Hold on. According to the North Carolina Runners.com, earlier in that day, Nyan Brown set the 300-meter hurdle state record. He flexed to the photographers beyond the finish line in a celebration that received a warning for taunting from the officials. With his hand going up prior to the finish line and the 4x4, It was the second violation of taunting and led to the disqualification. So after the guy won the 300 meters and he was celebrating, they say, now, if anybody else do this, we're going to disqualify you. So they had given them a warning.
48:54Shannon Sharpe:It was Ocho. Joe, Ocho, it was the same guy. Oh, Ocho. I ain't never ran track of none. but damn I can't you I seen Hussein boat when he run he he got his you know I mean the man put up this this come on bro hey hey it's been like that for a long time too Joe taking the celebrations out it's oh yeah you're not going to be able to do that because I mean I almost got us disqualified doing that because I put the baton in somebody's face yeah you you can't you can't do that Joe I can see if the man looked to the man to the man he racing against and did a bye-bye or something to him but i did that come on i did i did i did what you said ocho and the guy had the lead i went and got me at like a 15 yard lead on me i went and got him and he got him up put the baton in his face i told you i'm the baddest shark it took off again and come back coach comes and sucker you get us just qualified don't ever do that again damn hey joe you can't show you can't show no personality you can't express yourself the way you want to like you're doing basketball like you do, you know, you're doing football.
50:06None of that. None of that. It's frowned upon in track. Why is that though? Hey, I don't know. That's a good, that's a good. My daughter, my daughter got in trouble like that.
50:16Shannon Sharpe:JJ, you want to sport the ship me faster. Keep me from catching you.
50:21Shannon Sharpe:Listen, I can see unsportsmanlike conduct. Like I just said, if you look at your opponent, you wave at him, but bro, I run, I do like this. I put a hand in front of you, Joe. Hey, all he did, he did the should do it. That's all he did. It wasn't like he was beside him and did that. I'm in front of you. He don't even know what I do. Hey, that's crazy. But the rules are the rules. Oh, look at all Joe. No, they got you. The rules are the rules. Damn that. The bad that broke the rules all the time. Come on, man. Well, Joe, I ain't follow the rules. See, it's different. It's different. Now, when I think about the NFL, them rules, them was garbage.
51:04I ain't like them rules, so I wasn't following them. Now, track, that's a different ballgame.
51:09Shannon Sharpe:That's a different ballgame. He was following the rules. Hold on. They kind of took a little bit of the celebration away in football, didn't they? No, they let them celebrate with your teammate because when Ocho was in, you had to celebrate by yourself. If somebody came in, it was called a team celebration. They threw a flag. Now, they'll let the team celebrate. You just can't have props or it can't be excessively long. So you can't use props. Pac-Man Jones was really the first one that I saw do the fireman where he read to the goalpost and slid down. And then AB did it. A couple of guys did it.
51:46Shannon Sharpe:Randy Moss peed on the goalpost. Somebody peed on the pylon. They're going to find you for that. But as long as you do the throat gesture, or you do something like, you know, you can't do the fixed shooter anymore, stuff like that. Anything that's sexual in nature can't be doing no gyrations. Not even one. Man, don't these people know that the celebrations are what people really want to see in the games, whether it's football, track, basketball, whatever the case may be. It's just like the John Moran situation. Obviously because he, you know, got caught with the guns, he couldn't, he can't do the, you know what I mean?
52:25Shannon Sharpe:It's like, damn. Come on bro. No individualism. No personality. That's crazy. Hey, boy, you seen some of them time for the 100 and the 200 in Texas? Boy, look here. Them boy getting down. Man, dude, dude, 16 years old. Dude read all conditions. He was running 9.92 in 19.8, 19.9 and 100. That's crazy. Man, dude, dude, 16 years old. I'm running 46s, 45s in the fold. Man, back in the high, when I was in school, you ran a 48, 47, you, hey. You moving. I ain't hear nobody. The only person I ever heard of running a 46 was Antonio McKay. He went up, I mean, he was on the Olympic team. Yeah. He ran 46 flat.
53:15But this was back in like 82?
53:21Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. But he goes on to be on the Olympic team. So, obviously, he could run. Roger Kingdom is from Georgia. He won a two-time Olympic gold medal, 84-88. But these kids running 44s. The kid up in Baltimore. Quincy. Oh, yeah. Red 44-10. That's crazy. Did you see the girls? The women in high school? Girl 14 running 22-7. 14. You ain't see the 16-year-old just ran a nine-and-a-half. I think it was 995. His first name, Dylan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In high school, yeah. Dylan something. I'm like, what? Did you see the white kid sliding? White kid ran 10 on 2. He going, I think he's going to Mississippi State.
54:11Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, he was sliding. Yeah. He was moving. Getting up through that.
54:18Shannon Sharpe:Texas got them boys. Look here. It's hot. You go look at where the climate is like really good. but like 80 % of the time, Texas, Florida, California, Georgia, you got slowers. Them kids running 39 in the 4x1. Kids running 309, 310 in the 4x4. That's crazy. Kicking does.
54:52Damn.
54:53Shannon Sharpe:Hey. But we got to get on it because I don't know if y 'all saw, but hey, that world, the Botswans, that 4x4, they got the third. Because for the longest time up until Paris, what was that, Paris? I think they were Paris. The Americans had the fastest time. If you take all the Americans out prior to Paris, the time that the Americans ran in 68 would still be the world record if the Americans didn't run. So if you take out all the American time prior to what the Bucswandans did, that time that they ran back then would still be the world record. But these Bucswandans, they got second, and then they came back, and they got their revenge at the world championship, and what they just ran, 254-47, they got some sliders.
55:48Shannon Sharpe:They got them, man. and Tobogo he might be their third best 400 guy and he can go sub 44 yeah we gotta be on our best behavior we gotta be on our best behavior because they coming they coming Joe now the women I ain't really concerned about the women because we got that hey she got a little say hey it's an off year let's go ahead and get this out of the way because for the next two years, I'm all business. I'm all business. I want this world record. I want this 400 world record that they say, well, nobody's going to touch it, and nobody's come close until she did. I mean, nobody's been close. As a matter of fact, no woman had ever even gone from that time.
56:38Shannon Sharpe:Tracilova, the Czechoslovakian, she went$47.99, and then Coke went$47.60. Nobody had ever been under 48 again. and then we go to the world championship and we get two. We get Sid go 47-78. We get Paulino go up and then we got Nasser. Nasser ran like 48-20. She gonna get that world record. She gonna get it. And I wish they would have accommodated the schedule because we've seen people do the 2-4. Michael did the 2-4. Actually, Valerie Briscoe Hooks was the first to do the 2-4. She did it in the 84. and then you got Marie Jose Perret she did it in 96 to 42 and she's the only woman to go back to back in the four so she did a 96 in 2000 but Sid to do a a 4-4 yeah that's crazy that's crazy that might be that might be one of the greatest feet that you'll ever see I mean a Cuban did in 76 he won the 4-8 and he did I think he did the world record in the 8 but man Sid take your time give birth to that little sprinter but we got some sliders like girl MJ I want to see what MJ when she open up see what MJ got cooking but I can just watch track all day hey you saw you saw Marac Masai Russell right at 1225 she got a right conditions right people in the track it's gotta be something with the track it's gotta be Ocho ain't no way these people running these god dang old times I'm talking about these guys these people opening the seasons moving yeah I mean it's gotta be hey look I understand this mondo and this technology and all this and all.
58:44Shannon Sharpe:Hey, because we just saw the guy from Kenya that just broke the wind go 150, go sub two hours in the marathon. Man, they gotta be, look, and I understand the shoes because they got these carbon fiber shoes. They got these, hey, but this track, man, they booking. They are booking. But I'm here for it. I think oh that thing they got a track meet out in LA on the 13th I might have to slide who I mean I saw some of the names I think Rob Benjamin running Vernon Norwood I think Bailey I gotta see who out there that might be worth going to see I love track where's it gonna be at LA I don't know if anybody's ever seen a track my professional track, Mick, I saw the Olympic trials when they were in Atlanta back in 96.
59:45Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.
59:51Shannon Sharpe:Man, listen. Tip jokers. I ain't been to no professional one, but when I was in college, you know, playing at the University of Arkansas. Oh, yeah, I got a track team. I track team. I'm talking about men and women. They always be. But y 'all used to have them runners. Oh, y 'all used to have distance runners. Y 'all be killing people in the 1500, the 3000, the 10 ,000, y 'all used to kill people. Now y 'all got some rollers. Jordan Anthony just left, he went back to back. And then you got Watkins just went back to back. And y 'all got a, hold on, was she from Arkansas? The girl that just went 4896, the second fastest time?
1:00:28Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, yeah. I can't remember her name. I know exactly. Yeah, but hey look man, I never experienced nothing like that, bro. It's different. and you talking about some athletes. They run, man. They be running. But if you see the way they run, man, look here. To try to do one of their workouts at the speed at which they do it, you might get one or two. You not be able to run when they run. Not them time. Y 'all going up there. I'm gonna be back here. I'll be back here in the back, chilling. Damn. You never know or understand how fast people are moving because watching from the media is one thing.
1:01:07Seeing the times is one thing. Joe, it doesn't give you or do you any justice unless you watch the elite athletes at the top of their game run in person.
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Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to Jalen Williams returning for Thunder vs Spurs, Naz Reid on what the Timberwolves need and Mallard Creek Track & Field gets disqualified
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0:00 - Jalen Williams returning to Thunder’s lineup for game 1 vs Spurs
7:20 - Naz Reid asked what they need to do to catch the Spurs and OKC
38:16 - Mallard Creek boys track and field was disqualified for unsportsmanlike conduct
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