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15:13Shannon Sharpe:And a lot of it, you know what I like, is that they observe it, and they know after a certain time, you want something? Yeah, don't worry about it, I got it. They already know what you want.

15:25Chad Johnson:Yeah. And they know what. Yeah.

15:30Shannon Sharpe:I told the guys, Joe and Ocho, everybody was talking about, man, Sharp, you ain't gonna ever get married. I said, I'll tell you what. I said ,当 I'm going to call my girl and I'm gonna say, go get me something to eat. Now, we ain't gonna tell her, I'm gonna tell you what she gonna go, and what she gonna get. I bet you a hundred thousand. You call you, I bet five guys. I said, I bet each of you 100 ,000. All you do is call your wife and say, bring me something to eat. Now I'm gonna call my girl, and tell her to bring me something. And I bet you a doorknob to a bucket of cow manure. She gonna bring me exactly what I say.

16:10Shannon Sharpe:I say, who wanna pick? Oh, man, yo, you got a trade. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You married. Your girl, your wife supposed to know you. You been married 10 years. You been married 12 years. You been married 15. What we talking about? Yeah. I ain't have no more problem talking about Sharp ain't gonna get married. Sharp ain't got nobody. Okay.

16:34Chad Johnson:It's different, bro.

16:36Shannon Sharpe:All y 'all think of it, I tell you what, ask my teammates. 2002, when I went back to Denver, ask them. See, you know what it is, Joe? In a world or a room full of lies, truth is hard to believe. People lie so much that even when you tell them the truth, they don't believe it. Yeah.

16:58Chad Johnson:Yeah.

16:59Shannon Sharpe:I ain't got to lie about nothing. Everything I've ever seen. When have you ever heard somebody get in the chat that went to Savannah State, that went play with me in Denver, play with me in Baltimore? I've been on this thing with Ocho since September of 2023. Name the time somebody got over here and said he lied.

17:20You ain't told a lie yet. Shoot, me neither.

17:22Shannon Sharpe:I want you to know. I tell you what, y 'all so big and bad, I bet y 'all. I bet y 'all. I'll tell you what I do. Y 'all put up$10 ,000. I'll put up$100 ,000. yeah yeah chat yeah put up that chicken all you gotta do see y 'all told see oh you lie lie about what i did what i did i went where i went it is what it is

17:52Shannon Sharpe:it is what it is chat i get it people lie so bad i mean it's hard it's hard for me to watch because I'm looking at this and I'm thinking to myself, is this AI? Is RCD watching anything now Ocho? Because damn everything damn near AI.

18:05Chad Johnson:Yeah. Right, right.

18:07Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I mean, is this real? I say verify this.

18:18Shannon Sharpe:But if you date a professional athlete, you don't pin the needle because he is or she is. I guarantee you, if you date Serena is married now, ask the guy she dated what she was like when she was playing tennis. Ask Venus what Venus was like. Ask him. Yeah. Coco Groff, Sabalenka, Naomi Osaka, ask him. Basketball. And everybody can't handle it. Ask. It's different. Ask him. Everybody can't handle it. The guy that they're dating, what's it like? Now, unless they're professional tennis players, because there's a reason why actors marry other actors, because they know what it's like to live that life.

19:05Shannon Sharpe:They know what it's like to jump in and out of character. They know what it's like to be gone for six months at a time. When you're not used to that or you don't understand that, you have a hard time comprehending that. But if you go through that, you have some idea of what it's like. it. That life isn't for everybody. Yeah, it's nice. I'm sure you like flying on the private jet. I know you like booking a flight, and you don't even worry about the cost. You book a hotel room, you ain't worried about the cost. It's nice when money is not an issue. But boy, there's a lot of things that comes along with dealing with someone in that.

19:43Yeah.

19:45Chad Johnson:Everybody ain't built to handle that neither, boy.

19:50Shannon Sharpe:No, no, hell no, Joe. Everybody say they can't until you're actually in it. They think they can.

19:56Chad Johnson:Yeah. Because they're looking at the glist and glamour. That's the only part they're looking at. Yeah, because you're thinking, okay, after the game, yeah, I got a couple of my friends in town. Boom, we all going to go out to eat. Well, damn, I want to be left to hell alone. Yeah, I don't even want to talk to nobody. I'm going home. Yeah. I ain't damn on that. Especially if you lose, huh, Joe? Oh, man. We ain't going nowhere to lose.

20:21Shannon Sharpe:Hey, we ain't going, we not going nowhere. Hold up, you thought we'd go somewhere? We lost?

20:29Chad Johnson:Man, what? That ain't happening. But, um, um, um, everybody can't handle it, bro. I mean, you know, and I'm just speaking from experience. You know, when you in it as a professional athlete, you living the American dream, Bro, it's rough. It's rough. It is rough.

20:49Shannon Sharpe:I had no idea what it was like, you know, and so I go to my brother's, you know, man, he's like, man, boy, hey, I'm geek, yeah, boy.

21:05Shannon Sharpe:Man, what we gonna do? Man, Susan will take you somewhere, I'm going home.

21:14I came to see you.

21:16Chad Johnson:Yeah.

21:19Shannon Sharpe:Hey, man, I want to go. Hey, I called a restaurant. I get your reservation to the restaurant. You can go.

21:25Chad Johnson:Right, right.

21:26Shannon Sharpe:How many do you need? Six? Eight? I got you. I won't be there.

21:33Shannon Sharpe:I already done called ahead, took care of everything. All you girls, they eat and drink as much as you want. That life ain't for everybody, man. I know it sounds like cameras. Hey, the gold places and everybody, hey, Mr. This and Mr. That, you move right to the front of the line. There's not a restaurant crowded enough that you can't get in. But, man, we the worst. I ain't finna hold you. Yeah. The Giannis DeBas' smoke is reportedly real and can involve Jalen Brown being sent to the third team instead of Milwaukee. Sean Devaney.

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25:03Shannon Sharpe:America's Social Casino. Download the Moto Casino app today. The smoke continues to build around the possibility of Giannis landing in Boston. It's not certain Jalen Brown would land in Milwaukee or if he would be sent to a third team for younger assets. Joe?

25:22Chad Johnson:Man, if you Boston, I'm just keeping it 100. I know how great Giannis is, right? But I'm sorry, man. JB and JT, it's going to be hard for me to break them two up. I don't give a damn because, you know, it's a little turmoil. That's part of it. But you got a 1A and 1B. You know what I mean? Both of them can get money. Both of them can get to it. Nobody else has that. All you need is for Tatum to be healthy. Obviously, you know, you got some adjustments you probably want to make with your roster as far as, you know, big. But I like the young big that they got in the middle. I can't remember. What's his name?

25:58Chad Johnson:Quater. I like Quater. You know, good energy guy. We don't have to run no plays for him. Get a lot of garbage points. You know what I mean? Live, you know, little pocket passes, things of that nature. But, man, I don't know why you would want to break them two up, bro.

26:14Shannon Sharpe:I don't know either, Joe. But it seems like this for the longest time, they've been trying to pit these two guys against each other. Whose team is it? This or that. And JT and JB and yada, yada, yada. Man, you won a championship. You went once, you lost to Steph. Steph was sensational. You went back again, and you won.

26:36Chad Johnson:I think the thing is, when JB came out and said that this was his best season, he enjoyed being in, obviously, hell, Tatum won there, you know, until, you know, last 20-some games of the season and in the postseason. And, you know, he was in MVP conversations. But, hell, they've had it. They've won a title. Hell, he's been a Finals MVP.

26:59Shannon Sharpe:And he's been a Live Bird Eastern Conference MVP. So has JT, so has Tatum. And that's not to take. They're two totally different players. Both can get to the money, but they're different players. Yeah, completely. Yeah, they are. Hey, Joe and Uncle, you got to understand why he said it, though. Even though it's really not the right time to say it after coming off a loss, but understanding how the pundits and the analysts talked about with JT not being there, not really giving the Celtics a chance this season. And hell, JB, hey, I got the ship. I'm going to steal the ship. They were goddamn second in the goddamn ease.

27:35They were. He did more than his part. I can understand him saying it. It was the wrong time to say it.

27:45Shannon Sharpe:You had a lot of things that you could have said. Joe, you and I, we all. There's a lot of things we could have said. But you already know the way you meant it and the way it was going to be perceived Steve completely different it doesn't matter how you mean it right yeah if people if the people don't receive it if the media don't receive it how you meant it it doesn't matter and that's all it boom and just like you said Ocho you'll understood what he said it's like man look here nobody gave us credit nobody in fact was gonna do anything look at we traded Cabrink uh uh Prazingis Horford goes to another team.

28:20Shannon Sharpe:We got Holiday left. So forth and so on. And he's like, hold on. Y 'all thought we was gonna go ahead and tank and go for a high draft pick. And JB's like, hey, man, I had the most fun this year. Because I had the most fun because I got a chance to prove a lot of you bums wrong. Because a lot of you guys didn't think I was as good as I said I was. I played within the system. Given the opportunity to be the lead dog, I just gave y 'all 25, five, six, and five. Took a team that you didn't think was going to be in the playoffs. If it was, it was going to be in the play end, and I got him to the number two seed.

28:57Shannon Sharpe:So I understood what he was saying, but I also understood how people were going to take it. Yeah, me too.

29:05Chad Johnson:Hell of a talent. I can't just... But then you don't... But this is damn, because they just sold the team what, last year?

29:15Shannon Sharpe:Six and a half, $7 billion?

29:20Chad Johnson:So you never know, bro. When you bring in these new ownership guys, you know, the favoritism that they may show or that he may feel like they've shown or not shown him, you know, despite him having this hell of a season. Hey, man, you never know how JB really feel. Maybe he do want to get out of that. Maybe he do want to change the scenery. Hell, send him down here to Atlanta. Let him play with Jalen Johnson, both of them together.

29:43Shannon Sharpe:Maybe they want to cut payroll. We don't know. I mean, we see Portland.

29:46Chad Johnson:You know what, they could be it too.

29:48Shannon Sharpe:You saw Portland guy, he said the coaches and the players, but the staff had to go wait in the ballroom. He said, yeah, I'd do it again.

29:59Chad Johnson:That's crazy.

30:02Shannon Sharpe:Damn. Let's check out what's available.

30:09Shannon Sharpe:I think we're gonna see a lot of move in this off season, Joe.

30:13Chad Johnson:Oh yeah, I'm talking about big moves. Absolutely.

30:16Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, absolutely. Something's going to surprise us now. Because if you're in the Western Conference, as is, it's not going to cut it. Because OKC and San Antonio are too young. They're too young and they're too hungry. So your status, status quo ain't going to cut it. And if you want to contend with those teams, you're going to have to do something.

30:40Chad Johnson:Got to, bro. You're going to make a big splash. I'm saying, I'm looking at a team like Minnesota, If you Minnesota, bro, you need to go get you a dog to put next to Ant. I'm talking about at the guard spot because you probably ain't going to be able to keep Ayo. He probably going to be gone. Obviously, Diven Chinzo, he going to be out. You going to have to go get somebody who can get money, boy.

31:05Shannon Sharpe:Hey, Joe, it's really that simple. It ain't that complicated. We can make it complicated. but in order to compete with that team and you see how them young guys hungry them guys 22 and 23 years old 24 years old and you think you can compete

31:23Chad Johnson:hey and the way the Spurs playing it when we gonna play at this trajectory right here the NBA gonna be in some damn trouble

31:34Shannon Sharpe:he gonna play at that level because he hungry I love the fact that he said when they gave Shea that trophy in front of you He said, yeah, for sure. Did that, for sure. Don't look. Hey, he won the award. I'm focusing on my game. I'm not playing. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I was motivated.

31:49Chad Johnson:Yeah.

31:51Shannon Sharpe:You're damn right.

31:53Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

31:56Shannon Sharpe:And so guess what? I'm going to leave something. I'm going to put something on the voters' mind for next year.

32:02Chad Johnson:Hello.

32:03Shannon Sharpe:I'm going to leave this. Hey, I'm just going to leave this right here for you. Y 'all see this.

32:07Chad Johnson:Ooh. That boy look like a baby Will Chamberlain out there more like the other night. Hey, hey, hey, I never seen Will play, but damn it. Hey, I got something. It probably was worse than that

32:18Shannon Sharpe:because at least he was really the only seven footer. So you could imagine. Joe, I mean if a man gets 40 points and 40 rebounds, a man getting 50 and 34. That's crazy. fast score 78 73 100

32:40Chad Johnson:oh and it wasn't even hell and will one even shoot no damn three he probably wasn't even shooting no damn jump shots no look at wimby bro that man shooting 35 footers 40 footers middies dunking he barely getting off the ground man that boy gonna be hell over the next 10 15 year.

33:00Shannon Sharpe:And I love the fact that he hungry. You listen at him talking. You see the way he approached the game. He don't loaf. He don't really complain. I ain't seen him complain. Maybe I missed it. But hey, you think he should have got a foul? Somebody make a mistake trying to get him the ball? He's like, don't worry about it. We'll get it back.

33:20Chad Johnson:I'm telling you, man. Listen, he grew up in that Minnesota series. He did a lot of complaining in that Minnesota series, Ocho, early in that series. Once he got kicked out, you ain't no gripe or groans. It's been like, okay, boom, let's go, next play. Yeah.

33:35Shannon Sharpe:Ever since they kicked him out, Joe, he been kicking ass.

33:41He took that personal, boy.

33:43Shannon Sharpe:He did.

33:44Chad Johnson:He did. He did. He did. And that's what you want to see.

33:48Shannon Sharpe:He's like, we was about to end this thing. We was about to end this in five. Y 'all made it go six. I'm going to make sure it don't go seven. Mm. We here. We here.

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38:00Shannon Sharpe:Third team is Shea Gilgis-Alexander, Oscar Robinson, Kevin Durant, Giannis Antetokounmpo, and the one we just talked about, Wilt the Stilt Chamberlain.

38:10Chad Johnson:Damn.

38:11Shannon Sharpe:Ain't no Shaq. it's that's crazy okay so that's what it's based on hold on what is based on oh oh all-time nba teams based on best single seasons by positions so they took the best hold on single seasons by positions okay and that's how they based it so it's not the all-time like okay this is our first team they based it on single seasons so when you look at the best single season for a guard it's been Michael Jordan, the two guard. A point guard, it's been Steph Curry. A forward, it's been LeBron James and Larry Bird. And center, it's been Kareem. So damn, what was 50-25?

38:57Chad Johnson:And he down at 13.

38:59Shannon Sharpe:What about that 44-27 joke? Man had a season, he had 27 rebounds a game. Damn! The man The man never had a season where he averaged less than 18 rebounds a game. The man averaged 23 rebounds for a career over 14 seasons. The man averaged 23 rebounds a game for 14 seasons. That's crazy. Nobody. People say, what's the most unbreakable record? That one. Yeah. Somebody could play 30 years and not breaking that record.

39:36Chad Johnson:Zero. Yeah, and it's been guys, all they do is rebound like Dennis Rodman. You can't get close to that.

39:44Shannon Sharpe:Yes. No. Second team is Kobe Bryant. Remember that season he had with that 7-8? Because when did Kobe win the MVP? Kobe win the MVP. What's it? 2007.

40:06Shannon Sharpe:Magic Johnson was 86-87. Kevin Garnett was 03-04. Duncan was 02-03. Olajuwon was 93-94. Okay, that's the year he won the MVP, okay. But that wasn't the season that he averaged 35, though, was it? I think 0-5, 0-4-5 was. Yeah, okay. And then Shea was 25-26. Oscar Robinson was 63-64. Kevin Durant was 13-14. Giannis was 19-20, and Chamberlain was 61-62. So Chamberlain's season, when she averaged 50-25, that could only get him 13, Joe.

40:41Hey,

40:43Chad Johnson:we got to see some footage, man. Hey, Joe, they got footage of everything else. Hey, Joe, they got footage of Babe Ruth. You hear me? Man, because they make him look like a giant monster out there. Hey, man, how do you average 23 rebounds a game? I need to see the footer.

41:00Shannon Sharpe:For a career, Joe. You talking about for a game? I'm talking about for a career. Over 14 years. Come on, I need to see the footer. You gotta realize, Will started out with the Globetrotters. He got some of his years.

41:14Chad Johnson:Hey, but I did hear he was a hell of a specimen, though, to be, what, seven foot? Yeah, I heard he could run like that.

41:19Shannon Sharpe:Oh, he ran track, he could run a sub 5 ,400 meters, could throw the shot 50 feet. Yeah, he could high jump seven foot, yes. I need to see the footer, Joe. Yes. I'm just saying. They got footage of everything else, boy.

41:37Shannon Sharpe:But you got to realize back then, baseball was the pastime. You best believe because baseball records, you know. If somebody say 56, you automatically know that's Joe DiMaggio 56 game hitting streak. If somebody say 300, you know what that means. A pitcher got 300 wins. Some things you know. If I tell you 18 ,270, that's Emmitt Smith's rush yards. You see, baseball records are sacred. If I tell you 500, you know what 500 means. That's 500 home runs. 3 ,000, what is that? 3 ,000 strikeouts for a pitcher. Some things you just know. Baseball, because they've been playing it for such a long time, it's the sport that they've been playing the longest.

42:22Shannon Sharpe:and remember what they call it Ocho America's pastime. Now it's the move to the back of the bus. Yeah. But those records are sacred. That's why no other sport when someone tests positive for performance enhancing drugs. Yes. They don't reach the, they don't get the backlash that they get in baseball because those records are so sacred. Football player get popped. I feel like, oh, well, I can expect that. That's a hard-ass game. I can see why he's doing it. Basketball, they don't say nothing.

43:03Shannon Sharpe:But when the records are so sacred, they don't want you tampering with it. They don't. They don't. And they, hey, you look at, like I said, watching Barry Barnes and I've seen some great players go back he's the greatest player I ever saw with my own eyes Barry Barnes the man would get one pitch a night they was walking the man intentionally with the bases loaded loaded and he going yard every time he get one pitch a night one and he hitting it hard somewhere you hope he didn't hit it in McCovey Cove but he gonna hit the cover off the ball I mean you had to see it to believe it yeah and the guy could hit for average hit for power and that's the thing people are like oh it's all steroids go look at Barry before he even got to San Francisco he was a hall of famer he had won three league MVPs hey steroids ain't helping that god damn hand eyeball coordination bro He won three MVPs.

44:18Shannon Sharpe:He finished second to Terry Pellett in one year. Probably should have won it that year. Yeah. Go back and look at Barry. All the Golden Gloves he won. All the Silver Slug Awards he won. Hey, Unc. You got to go ahead, JoJo. That eye. That eye he had for the ball. There is nothing you can take. No. That's going to enhance that goddamn eye. and being able to hit that guy. Being able to hit that guy, huh? A gallon of carriage used to date. They said, carry, help your eyesight. I knew that. But see, you know, Barry came up as a leadoff hitter. Yeah. You know, as a leadoff hitter, you got to have an incredible eye because your job is to get on base, whether you walk, get hit by a pitch, or put the ball in play and get on.

45:09Shannon Sharpe:So he had an incredible eye. So now you slide him back in the lineup. with that eye.

45:19It didn't matter where they pissed it. He was going to get it. Low, low, inside, outside, high.

45:27Shannon Sharpe:Man, stop playing. Greg Maddox, I mean, you look at the pitchers and how they talk about him. Greg Maddox said he's the easiest guy to pitch to. Because if it didn't matter, if it mattered, he put his ass on first. it's really that simple

45:52Shannon Sharpe:boy they see this team Kobe so Magic, Garnett Duncan, Elijah won and then you got Shea, Oscar Durant, Giannis and Chamberlain

46:05Chad Johnson:I know some people got something to say about these teams

46:10Shannon Sharpe:But the thing is, the question is, Joe, which season are you taking? He got a 44-27. He got a 38-22.

46:23Chad Johnson:That don't even sound real.

46:27Shannon Sharpe:So just what season are you taking of his? Look, I mean, Jordan Average led the league in scoring. So I guess we're taking only the MVP seasons. So I'm assuming, if my assumption is correct, we're taking these guys at their MVP season. Because obviously Jordan won the MVP in 1991. Because Magic won it 90. Yeah. Jordan won it in 91. Okay, so we're taking that. Obviously Steph was a unanimous MVP. That was the year they won.

47:04Chad Johnson:He's been the only unanimous MVP, ain't he?

47:07Shannon Sharpe:Two guys, Shaq finished one vote short. LeBron finished one vote short. Bird wanted an 83-84 because Bird wanted an 84-85-86. Kareem, obviously 70-71. But like I say, Kareem don't get the credit. Y 'all got to go look up Kareem numbers. Y 'all got to go look at Kareem. Kareem, averaging 33-16.

47:27Chad Johnson:Man, the man had the scoring title before LeBron passed. He had to be a bad boy now.

47:33Shannon Sharpe:Six?

47:33Chad Johnson:But, hey, hey.

47:35Shannon Sharpe:The one thing I'm looking at.

47:38Chad Johnson:Six MVP. It's just hard not to see Shaq on this list somewhere, bro. He was just – I mean, we call him the most dominant. He was probably the most dominant player that ever played the game, but not to have him on here.

47:50Shannon Sharpe:Man, Shaq, it wasn't even fair for Shaq.

47:56Chad Johnson:It wasn't, bro. But, hey, hey, hey. But you can't take Hakeem off because Hakeem was a real deal. He gave Shaq a bit.

48:02Shannon Sharpe:On both ends of the court, he's the best center to ever live. on both ends of the court? Ain't even close.

48:09Chad Johnson:And man, he ain't that tall. He ain't that tall neither.

48:11Shannon Sharpe:I would say he's like six, nine and a half joker.

48:15Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

48:16Shannon Sharpe:Put that joker footwork.

48:17Chad Johnson:But he got some long arms. Hey, he got some footwork out this world, huh?

48:23Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, because he grew up with a soccer background. Oh.

48:27Chad Johnson:Oh, did he?

48:27Shannon Sharpe:I didn't know that. Yes, yes.

48:31Shannon Sharpe:Hold on, who's that? He's a bad boy. I think they were telling the story because when they signed him, they didn't see it. They didn't see it. They didn't know what he was. And so he'd show up at the airport.

48:49He'd say, hey, coach.

48:52Shannon Sharpe:He'd say, yeah, bring him in. Because if you think about it, I think he averaged like maybe like – I don't think he averaged that many points because you got to realize He was playing with Clyde. Yeah. You know, they had a squad. They had Clyde Drexler. They had Larry Mishaw. They had Akeem. They had, I think, Benny Anders. I think that was a small guard they had. Five slamma jamma. That's what they called. They dunking on everybody. Man. You talking about when he was in college? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, Clyde Drexler dunked on on. what's the dude from Memphis State, the little guard? Andre Turner.

49:34Shannon Sharpe:Man had his knees on the man's head, Joe.

49:37Chad Johnson:Yeah, they don't get Clyde a lot of credit either.

49:39Shannon Sharpe:Clyde.

49:41Chad Johnson:Clyde was a bad boy here. I'm saying outside of MJ, when it came to two guards, he probably was the second best two guard. He was. In that era. Yes. Yes.

49:52Shannon Sharpe:Yes. But, you know, sometimes, Joe, you happen to play the same position as the best guy in the league at the time. You're not going to get no credit. Look at all the guys that played the quarterback position when Peyton and Brady were in their prime. Okay, and?

50:15Chad Johnson:Hey, but think about this, though. If you was Portland, obviously, if you could redo that draft, maybe you take MJ and keep Clyde, too. put both of them on the same damn team instead of taking a buoy.

50:30Shannon Sharpe:But you know, back then, Joe, they played with the big. You had to get a big. If you think about it, Joe, it wasn't those little guys going in the first round, going number one overall. They were all bigs.

50:43Chad Johnson:It wasn't, man. But when you look at MJ, and I know we talk about the combine nowadays for basketball. He killed the combine. but he probably still got the highest 40. Who joined? Yeah. The highest what?

51:00Shannon Sharpe:Burt.

51:01Chad Johnson:Burt. What did he do? I think he had, what did he have, like a 44 or something? He said 44, yeah. Something like that?

51:07Shannon Sharpe:Damn. But you think about it, Joe. Back then, everybody played inside out. Ain't nobody played outside in. So you took, you got the Kareems, and you got the Bensons, and you got the Joe Barry Carrolls and you got the Sam Boos and you got the Elijah Wands and you got all those guys. And it's like, I mean, think about it. For a long time, you took the big until it was still AI.

51:34Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah.

51:35Shannon Sharpe:I mean, we ain't never seen no guy that small go number one overall, Joe.

51:39Chad Johnson:Nah, we haven't. But he was so dynamic, though, man. Like the way AI took over college basketball, because I remember watching him in Georgetown, He was so electric. And then you hear his story, you know, obviously, you know, having to go to, he did some jail time and then coming out and going to college and being able to do, man, please. You gravitate toward that, bro. You gravitate toward it and you want to see him win. And then he had John Thompson too, who everybody loved. You know what I mean? And obviously, you know, he did a hell of a job with AI, bro. Hell of a job.

52:15Shannon Sharpe:You think they had a run. They went in 83, Ralph Sampson, 84, Hakeem, 85, it was Patrick Ewing, because I know 87 was David Robinson. I'm trying to think, who the hell went number one in 88? I mean, in 86. Because that was the draft that Len Bias OD'd in.

52:40Chad Johnson:Yeah.

52:40Shannon Sharpe:Who went number one in 86? because I think Chris Washburn went two. I can't remember who went one that year. So you're letting bias with that boy, Joe. What? In comparison, in today's game, who would he be on? In college, he was better than Jordan. Brad Doherty. Brad Doherty. Okay. Yes. Ocho, you had to see it to believe it. He had a jump shot out of this world. He had a midi out of this world. And you talking about could elevate? Yeah. No, when I say he could elevate, elevate? Yeah.

53:26Hey, that was back.

53:28Chad Johnson:You know, that back in the 80s, Ocho. You know what was going on. I already know. Them boys. I didn't hear that.

53:35Shannon Sharpe:Man. They were getting out of the midi. Boy, he was. Yeah. Because, you know, that's all. you know, being in the South, that's all you saw. We saw the ACC, we saw Duke, we saw, but you know, Maryland, he went to the University of Maryland. So we saw all of those games. We played against a guy, called him Snake. He went to Southeast Bullock, and he went to Clemson. And I said, man, I said, man, how good? He's like, Shaw, this dude is unreal. He don't seem real. He said he got it all. He said he'll finish. He'll dunk on your head. He got a midi. He can handle the ball. He's like, he ain't got no weakness, man.

54:21Shannon Sharpe:I said, man, he that good? He said, Sean, he better than that good. Yeah. And they took him to pair him with Bird, Parrish, and McHale. So that was going to be the transition. as birds start to fade away, it's his team. They get bad luck. He ODs on the night of the draft. Basically, the night of the draft, the night after the draft. Damn. Then they get Reggie Lewis. You remember Reggie Lewis had that heart condition.

54:52Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they had a stretch of bad luck that doomed them

54:58Shannon Sharpe:because all the guys got old at once.

55:02Chad Johnson:hey what's the guy name uh who played for boston he from massachusetts he went to fresno state the little white kid uh uh you know he used to he said he was he said he was doing oh yeah i saw his

55:14Shannon Sharpe:story i saw his story i can't remember i know exactly who you're talking about joe i saw his can't remember his name espn had his story on yeah but you know my rookie year when i got drafted to

55:24Chad Johnson:the boston celtics he was there was he yeah he was there he was there working out oh my goodness Chad, what's his name? Chad, I can't remember his name. Chris Heron. Chris Heron. Yeah, Chris Heron. Chris Heron. He was my rookie year. I'll never forget because it was 9-11. But when we got to Boston, we were training and working out. He was training and working out with us. But he'd always be sitting over to the side by himself. And I never understood why. You know, I'm a rookie, hell. I'm just trying to show that I belong. You know what I mean? But like Unk say, Unk, I seen this story on ESPN. And I was like, damn.

56:00Chad Johnson:Like, you never know what somebody going through, bro. And I seen this man every day, bro, in the practice facility, Ocho. Every day.

56:06Shannon Sharpe:You know what, Joe? And that's why I had to stop lying. I mean, I had to stop judging people.

56:13Chad Johnson:Yeah.

56:14Shannon Sharpe:Because I'm looking at it because you don't know a guy's story. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? You don't. Because I'm like, hold on. I grew up like this. This is how I grew up. I grew up with no end of plumbing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then I had to think, what if they didn't have a married porter in their life? They had all of those things, but they didn't have a Mary Porter. Right.

56:33Chad Johnson:Yeah.

56:33Shannon Sharpe:Okay, I'm judging them. Like, Brad, how can you mess? Bro, you don't know what a person is going through.

56:40Chad Johnson:Yeah. You don't, bro. And so I had to step back, man.

56:43Shannon Sharpe:It was for the longest time I had to take my robe off because I was judging like a mug. Yeah. I ain't finna lie to you guys. I was judging like a mug. I was like, bro, you do all this. I was like, bro, you don't know. And like, if I didn't tell you my story, if I wasn't, because my brother never really talked about it. People didn't know how we grew up until I talked about it. My brother never said a word. My sister never said a word. So nobody would have knew how my brother and I grew up had I not shared that. At the Super Bowl, they went and took a picture of the house. I told them the house didn't have indoor plumbing.

57:22Shannon Sharpe:I told them they didn't have indoor water. I told them we had well water. I told him that we ran out of propane. We had to pull the space heater. We had to pull the heater from the wall and then go cut wood. My brother and I would cut a tree down, chop it up and bring back firewood. I told that story. That's when people like, bro, you actually live like that? Yeah. And you got, what option did I have? Everybody doesn't get to fly to California. Some of us get to drive. Some of us have to catch the bus. Way back when, some people hitchhiked. That's a very dangerous situation. It was dangerous then, dangerous now.

58:08Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, yeah. But everybody wants to get to a location, but everybody don't get an opportunity to get there the same way. And so I had, Joe, I ain't going to lie to you, bro, I had to stop. Because I was judging like a bug. It's just natural, bro. I'm like, bro, how you...

58:28Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I did, I told it all. My sister was mad too.

58:33Chad Johnson:What?

58:36Shannon Sharpe:You ain't gotta tell everything. I said, it's out now.

58:42Shannon Sharpe:It's out now, so I don't know what you want me to tell you. But it happened. Never told that story. Never told it in high school. Never told it in college. It wasn't until the Super Bowl. that they did a story on me, and they went down there, and they took a picture, and I remember, I never even told Burns. Burns, my best friend, never told him. Never told Bucket. Man, say, man, why didn't you tell me that? Ross Smith Foots. Say, bro, you lived like this in the 80s? Bro, that's how people lived in the 40s and 50s. I'm like, yeah. And to this day, people are like, man, come on, man. You think I'm proud of that?

59:25Shannon Sharpe:Happy you think that's something I want it. What up? What was I supposed to do? You got to make the best of a situation I couldn't use that as an excuse well You know man, oh, Joe got running water Joe got running water water. They got indoor plumbing. That's why I make it Motivated me even more, but you think I want to be in my 30s 40s and 50s living like that. Oh, no and Bill character boy

59:53Chad Johnson:that built some good character. I already know it.

59:56Shannon Sharpe:That's why I got to get butt balled when I go to the bathroom.

59:59Chad Johnson:Man, what? If I had to go use the bathroom in the woods and go? Oh, man.

1:00:06Shannon Sharpe:Well, they had an outhouse. They had an outhouse until probably 69, 70. Because, you know, an outhouse, what they do, they would put lime in it. and then you'd have to clean it out every so often because you got seven or eight people going have a lockdown on Poffidoccio but you put lime in there that's how you know if you want to do something shady sinister I'm not recommending it but you put lime lime destroys anything

1:00:45Chad Johnson:damn man anything

1:00:54Shannon Sharpe:Damn, Joe, the Grizzlies can't catch a break. NBA players voted the one team they do not want to get traded to. And by a 3-1 margin, Memphis at almost 36 % was number one. Damn. The Wizards at almost 12%. Number two. The Kings at almost 11%. Number three, New Orleans, the Pelicans, at almost 7%, is number four. And then you got Brooklyn and Utah, tied at 5%. You got Charlotte and Portland, tied at 4.2%. New York, damn, they don't want to play for what you call them, the Knicks, 3.3%. You got Detroit and Indy at 2.5%. And then you got Milwaukee and the Lakers at 1.7%.

1:01:44Chad Johnson:Damn. Damn. I can say, hey, look, there's been a lot of disdain playing in Memphis for whatever reason. Don't nobody want to go to Memphis for whatever reason. I don't know what it is. I knew that Memphis and I knew the Pelicans, I knew they were going to be top four for sure. Yeah, for sure.

1:02:04Shannon Sharpe:But they got, hey, you like to eat, that's a good place for you. Cause you know they got the barbecue. You know Memphis got that barbecue. New Orleans got everything. They got everything, they got that etouffee, they got gumbo Joe, they got jambalaya,

1:02:18Chad Johnson:they got boudin, they got the bignets,

1:02:21Shannon Sharpe:they got the frog legs, they got that gator tail.

1:02:24Chad Johnson:Hey, you gotta have some damn discipline about how you eat if you're in New Orleans. Hey Joe, what you know about cafe?

1:02:31Shannon Sharpe:Other kind of tail, but go ahead Joe, what you saying?

1:02:33Chad Johnson:Joe, what you know about Cafe Du Monde? I don't know anybody, what's that, New Orleans? That's where the bignets are. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah, nah, I can't eat like that. Hey, Joe, you know what I'm getting? I'm getting ready for a marathon. Boy, come train with me. I'll get you right. Oh, Lord have mercy. How you getting ready? What marathon you gonna do? In October, the New York Marathon. Are you really? What you running now? What you doing? You running a couple miles a day now? Yeah, I'm gonna start slow. I gotta start probably four miles and work my way up. I got till October, so I should be fine by then.

1:03:09man.

1:03:09Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. I don't like no gator. Gator is good, but you got, it's gotta be hot. Cause it'll be, it's really gamey. I mean, you gotta really know what you doing. What, you talking about cleaning gator or eating it? Eating it. Eating it. It tastes like chicken, huh? No shit.

1:03:26Chad Johnson:You never, man, I had some gator, huh, Joe? Yeah, that's how you get a gator bite. Yeah, I had some gator bites. Yeah, I'm saying, I had them in New Orleans, actually. They were fine. Yeah, they nice, now. Hey, Joe, put a little lemon juice on there.

1:03:38Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I had a great uncle say, hell, if he know the tail was that good, he'd eat the whole damn gator.

1:03:46Shannon Sharpe:But you know, I didn't know you could eat garfish. People eat gar. Huh? You ever seen a garfish? I ain't had no garfish. I don't know what that is, huh?

1:03:54Chad Johnson:Alligator gar?

1:03:55Shannon Sharpe:People eat that?

1:03:56Chad Johnson:Yeah, I ain't.

1:03:56Shannon Sharpe:I ain't know people eat that. We kill it. We kill it and kill it and throw it on the hill. Yeah. What it's called, huh? Yeah.

1:04:02Chad Johnson:Alligator gar. Alligator gar. Alligator.

1:04:05Shannon Sharpe:Alligator gar. Now I know about the snapping turtle, we tear him up, old Joe. Y 'all eat snapping turtles? What? Soft shell? Absolutely. Only what we did, he used them ponds and streaky legs. But the soft shell of the alligator, be big as a 10-tall bottom, tear him up, ate his eggs too. Ate his eggs too. It look like a goddamn barracuda. Yeah. Man, people tear that car up. It got scales. Hey, man, they tear them up, Ocho. I didn't know you could eat a garb.

1:04:38Chad Johnson:Hold on, hold on, Uncle. I ain't never had no turtle.

1:04:41Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I had turtle. Saw shell and alligator turtle.

1:04:46Chad Johnson:That was real country.

1:04:48Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, they eat it right now. My homeboy, Toot, I get you my homeboy, Toot, probably like once every other month, gonna have a turtle on the grill.

1:04:58Chad Johnson:Oh, man.

1:04:58Shannon Sharpe:Hey, these little alligator garb, they get big, boy. Yeah, they get big.

1:05:04Chad Johnson:Golly.

1:05:05Shannon Sharpe:Alligator snapping turtle get big, too. They get up to probably 100 pounds, 120, 450 pounds, Joe. Ocho.

1:05:10Chad Johnson:Hey, Ocho. Ocho.

1:05:12Shannon Sharpe:We call them, y 'all call them 10-tub. We used to call them number two wash tub, 10-tub, same thing. Yeah.

1:05:18Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah, hey, where we from, you fish, you fish enough, you gonna catch you a couple guards or two, alligator guards. You know what I'm saying, Joe?

1:05:26Shannon Sharpe:They're talking about what you fish for, whatever biting. All I do is bait the hook, whatever bite, if crapping, if bluegill, red breast, white perch, or catfish, it did, bass, it did not matter. If you bit that hook and I put you, you coming home, I'm gonna strain your ass up, throw you out there in the water so you stay fresh, and when it's time to go, we gonna blow that little line up, and we going home, we gonna scare you, we gonna scare you, bust you down the middle, and my grandma gonna throw your ass in some hot grease. that's what we fish for whatever bite facts I don't see how y 'all do that how y 'all do what go fishing man I ain't got the patience okay what were you gonna eat okay okay if you're doing it for survival that's different but I'm just saying I can't boy so you really thought I look forward to having a mess of quail I mean I like quail but you thought I like having squirrel and rabbit and raccoon and pop.

1:06:27Shannon Sharpe:You thought I liked your turtle, huh? You thought I liked that, huh? Nah. I would have rather had Wagyu, to be honest with you. Who? Wagyu. Wagyu. Listen, I tried that wagon now. I know about it now. Hey, catfish, hey, them people used to come by, Mary, I got a mess of fish out here for you, won't it?

1:06:47Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah.

1:06:48Shannon Sharpe:Man, I be wanting to push that man. Why you stopping at this house? If you want to give Mary a mess of fish, How about you clean them before you bring them over here, damn it.

1:06:57Chad Johnson:Right, right.

1:06:59Shannon Sharpe:Boys, go out there and get the fish for your granny.

1:07:04Shannon Sharpe:Now we gotta go get newspaper, Joe. If they fish, we gotta get the scaler, or we gotta get these cat scalers.

1:07:12Chad Johnson:Oh, my God. That's some word, boy.

1:07:18Shannon Sharpe:Maybe we got some peas, you know. You can pick them on the share. Yeah, we'll be there tomorrow. Me and these boys. What you mean you and these boys? How you volunteering our service, Grady? Cutting over, wash, pulling peanuts, potatoes, butter beans, snap beans.

1:07:43Like I said.

1:07:44Shannon Sharpe:I don't really know. If I don't work another manual labor job in my life, O'Shea good. O'Shea Good. Yeah. O'Shea Good. Man, it's been a many times, I would, we going home on the bus, and I look to my left, and I see my grandma in the pee patch. Knowing I gotta come up out of my school clothes, and I gotta walk down there and help her. Spanky gotta walk down there, we gotta help her.

1:08:22Shannon Sharpe:You don't know how many times I got on the bus, my aunts, my sister chasing hogs because they done got out. You not going to school. You gonna get them hogs back in. My granddad ain't care nothing about no damn school. When it came time to work, oh, you gonna miss school. If you gotta put drop budworm pearls in and you gotta do something in them fields,

1:08:45Chad Johnson:oh, you better leave it.

1:08:46Shannon Sharpe:Them hogs got out from somewhere, Ocho.

1:08:48Chad Johnson:Guess what?

1:08:49Shannon Sharpe:You gotta walk until you find out where they got out at. Then you gotta fix it up.

1:09:01Shannon Sharpe:Barney Porter got butter from a duck.

1:09:05Shannon Sharpe:She got what from a duck? Barney Porter got butter from a duck. Yeah, you ain't even know, you ain't even know, you get butter from a duck. Barney Porter get it up at you. That joke ain't believe in nothing but hard work. Hard hard hard work and you were not too young to work Hmm and so that's that's how I grew up

1:09:38Shannon Sharpe:Work don't up ain't never bothered me Joe.

1:09:42Chad Johnson:Yeah

1:09:44Shannon Sharpe:That's why I could work. That's why I could be added in football. I tell people all the time I said, football is the easiest job I ever had. Same. I'm telling you. Because I'm only out there, at the longest we gonna be out there, Ocho, is three hours. That's it. Imagine going to the field from kate to kate. You can't see when you get in the field, you can't see when you leave.

1:10:12Chad Johnson:Yeah.

1:10:13Shannon Sharpe:Work 12 hours a day and make$5. $2.50, work till noon on Saturday. Bring home$27.50. I owe the corner store$11. Now I bring home$16.50.

1:10:28Chad Johnson:Yeah.

1:10:29Shannon Sharpe:For 66 hours of work.

1:10:32Chad Johnson:Ooh. And y 'all talk, man, please.

1:10:37Shannon Sharpe:And then by the time I give my grandma, when I got up there big enough, I could crop the backer, because the croppers, they got$16 a day. I walked behind to the back of Picker.

1:10:47Chad Johnson:Yeah.

1:10:48Shannon Sharpe:I got fired all of them. Then they bumped me up to eight. Joe, my cousin Landy, ask him. I know somebody in class that know my cousin Landy. He done talked me up. Man, hey, hey, hey, cuz. Man, they working up cuz we need a raise. I said, huh? I ain't know what no raise was. I said, what that bus a raise? Man, he give us more money. I said, I don't know, I don't think Mr. Joe gonna give us no more money. I said, man, you need to ask him. He two years older than me, why I gotta ask? Why you can't ask? You the one that recommended me. I let him talk me and go ahead and ask. I said, Mr. Joe, he said, my name was Pee Wee because I was real small.

1:11:32Shannon Sharpe:My cousin named Lanny, he was named was Sundown because it got late one day. He said, Mr. Joe, it's time for us to knock off. The sun done gone down. So he got the name Sundown, I got Pee Wee. I said, Mr. Joe, he said, what is it, Pee Wee? I said, Mr. Joe, we need a raise. I said, man, we be working hard. He said, who is we? I said, me and Lanny. I said, man, I said, Mr. Joe, we be working hard. He said, how much raise you need, Pee Wee? I said, a dollar. Why didn't I say$2? If I knew he was gonna say yeah like that, I would've said$2. I said, I said, a dollar. He said, okay, P, we all do. You and O Sundown, y 'all be working hard.

1:12:15Shannon Sharpe:Got that dollar raise. So now we go from five to six.

1:12:19Chad Johnson:Yeah.

1:12:19Shannon Sharpe:Man, as soon as that man gave me that take, we got a dollar raise, Joe, me and Cub, we're the player. We ain't doing what we supposed to. We running through the field, knocking the leaves off.

1:12:33Shannon Sharpe:Libby get home. Granted, all them boys do, all Landon and Shannon do is play. running through the field, knocking the leaves off. My grandma, this is where I get it from. My grandma said,

1:12:47Shannon Sharpe:That's all she said, Ocho, that's all she said, Joe. Yeah. Next morning, I thought Granny done gone to work. Granny sitting right there on the porch. Joe, she said, yeah, Mary, how you doing? She said, I'm doing good. She said, Libby told me you gave them boys a raise. And say all they did was play. Man, every day, you know, they're just little boy. She say, take it back. Oh. I wanted to fight granny. Mm.

1:13:23Chad Johnson:He took it back. From that time on, I remember we walking off the port.

1:13:32Shannon Sharpe:She ain't say nothing. We got back home that afternoon. She said boy, a man pays you an honest day's salary, you give him an honest day's work. Don't play on that man's job. If you wanna play, stay your ass home. From that point on, I couldn't have been no more than seven or eight. From that point on, you'll never find another boss that said I messed around the bulljive on his job. That learned me right there. You know what they taught me? Somebody take your money if you ain't doing what you're supposed to. And that's exactly what they did. Won't they do it in pro sports, Ocho? Won't they cut your pay if you ask them to play it on the job?

1:14:13Shannon Sharpe:They do it like that in real life too now.

1:14:19Yeah.

1:14:20Shannon Sharpe:Learn my lesson. You ain't gotta tell me no more.

1:14:25But hey, Mary Porter, I was like, damn,

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