Nightcap Hour 2: Kevin Durant DEFENDS “OLD HEADS” in ALL-STAR Game + James Harden says LOYALTY is OVERRATED + Doc Rivers BELIEVES he’s HALL of FAME Material + NBA players DUCKING Mac McClung?! + College Basketball has BETTER PRODUCT than NBA

13:57Shannon Sharpe:Especially in football. Football was built on intimidation. You try to break a man's will.

14:02Joe Johnson:Will, yeah. Man, they won't let you hit nobody like that.

14:05Shannon Sharpe:Nah. No, sir. I mean, you used to go across the middle. and the guy be pointing to his head. I'm going to hit you in your damn head. Come by here. I'm going to hit you in your damn head. Come back by here. You point to your helmet now, Ocho, that's a flag, and they're going to put$50 ,000 off the check. Yeah. But that's how it was. Guys would tell you, I'm going to knock you out. Come back through here again. Yeah. Yeah. That football is different. Oh, it's a different era, and you just have to accept that now. James Harden says loyalty is overrated.

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18:21Let's take a listen to what James had to say.

18:22Chad Johnson:feel like they got to do what's best for you know to keep their job and they trade players or if a guy isn't happy and he wants to be traded to somewhere else then it's a problem um it's just so many different dynamics that go into it this is a business at the end of the day so like you know not even just nba but like people that have normal jobs have you know have those same problems it's just not magnified you know i mean so um for me it's always about like i don't lose focus of trying to compete for a championship and then financially making sure that my family is taken care of. You know what I mean?

18:57Chad Johnson:Because I'm very smart and I've sacrificed a lot. You know what I mean? Financially, which I don't get credit, I don't get credit, I don't get talked about, but I'm fulfilled and I'm happy with it. But winning a championship or at least having a chance to and then financially getting paid for me being available and playing at the highest level for so long. So to answer your question, you know, this is a business at the end of the day. So I feel like players should, you know, ultimately do what's best for them. And front office does what's best for them and their owner and their organization. So, you know, it's two sides of a story.

19:30Joe Johnson:I kind of like that. Now, one lot was told. Hey, Joe, you know how the business works, Unc? You've been in it. Joe, I've been in it, you know. And, I mean, loyalty, well, they throw that word around, especially when it's beneficial for them. We talk about ownership. And if you're not playing well or you're not playing to the standards in which they see fit, what's the first thing they do? Well, we need to just take a pay cut. Or you don't even get the decision or the choice to take a pay cut, they let you go. They love screaming loyalty when it's beneficial for them. And that's in the sports world.

20:08Joe Johnson:This same thing also goes into other aspects of life in general as well. You know, most of the time, everybody goddamn loyal when it's beneficial. Yes. Easy. When everything is going good, when things aren't going well, if you're a basketball player, you know, whether you're a football player and it's not convenient for said team or owners, yeah, man, we can't do this, man. You know, loyalty is out the window. There is no reward for being loyal. You're right.

20:40Shannon Sharpe:loyalty and friendship should be measured when you're down. Because everybody is loyal and friendly when you're up. Come on. I ain't going to get into that. I'm not going to get into that. But I will tell you this. Don Sutton had a quote. I think Don Sutton said this. Don Sutton said, I'm the most loyal man money can buy.

21:05Joe Johnson:Hey. Hold on. I need to hear that one more time. What you said at the beginning. Not what Don Sutton said, but the one you said, that was a ball.

21:13Shannon Sharpe:Loyalty and friendship should be measured when you're down because everybody loyal and friendly when you're up. Man.

21:20Joe Johnson:Hey, chat, we need to put that on the shirt. Chat, somebody tweet me that. Chat, somebody tweet me that. I don't have my pen and pad in front of me. I'm putting that on the shirt.

21:28Shannon Sharpe:That's how it is. I mean, you find out who you are, but you'll also find out who your friends are. When you're down.

21:43Shannon Sharpe:You wanna know who your friends are? Let your car don't work. When you roll it Ocho, hey man, Sharp sway through and pick your boy up. Yeah. Man, what up Sharp man? My car, all right, I'll holla. Well holla, holla. Damn. Okay, no problem. Hey, it's all right. Hey, hey. I think, hey, experience is the best teacher. It is. Fellas. And I think what James has experienced over the past some odd years, whether it was in Philly with Darryl Moore. He took a pay cut. Yep. Obviously, the loyalty thing that he was talking about, Darryl. And then going back home, going to L.A., Uncle Ocho, I don't think he necessarily wanted to leave the Clippers, but I don't think they was willing to pay him no money either.

22:35Shannon Sharpe:and what he's saying is, man, I'm still playing at this all-star caliber level and basically he probably never come out and said, but basically saying that the Clippers didn't want to pay me no money to keep me around so they just traded me. You know what I mean? And that's kind of what it is. So he's right. It's not really no loyalty in this. Whatever they tell you, you know, this is a business, man, first and foremost, and the quicker you can get that, you know, through your head, bro, the better off you'll be. So I totally understand everything he was saying. Yeah. Yeah. It is. Yo, you hit the nail on the head.

23:10Once you accept that, that you are a commodity.

23:14Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. It's just like, if you own a farm, Ocho, you can't fall in love with those animals. No. You can't. Those pigs are going to go and chat. Don't get upset. Don't tell Pete, Ocho and I. But you know what you're going to do with those pigs. You know what you're going to do with those cattle. You know what happens to those chickens. So as, and that's what a coach Belichick knew in order for him to be able to do his job effectively. He couldn't get close because I might have to cut a player. I might have to trade a player. Yeah. And the closer I am to said player, the more difficult it is. It is to do my judgment.

23:55This is why they don't let higher ups deal with subordinates.

24:01Shannon Sharpe:It will cloud your judgment. because you might have to make a decision where you have to send him or her into battle, into harm's way.

24:12Joe Johnson:That's crazy.

24:14Shannon Sharpe:It's not as complicated. It's like your job. Yeah. Your job lording you as long as you're doing it. Yeah. Hey. I guarantee you, they fire people. You name a company, and they fire people. Yeah. for whatever reason. He didn't do the job. He or she didn't do the job. They came late. Whatever the case may be. Yeah. Some people, hey, we heard some people been on job. Oh, he been on this job for 30 years. He been on this job for 40 years. Joker ain't never took a sick day.

24:54Shannon Sharpe:But sports is a different animal. And you just have to, sometimes you have to set emotions aside. you gotta sit your you have leave your feelings at home yeah check your emotions you got to and if you do that you'll be fine you'll be fine it broke my heart that i found out the broncos was trying to trade me i'm like hold on man oh joe all these shots i done took in my ankle yeah all this these all these needles i done put in my ass oh yeah my shoulders yeah hey hey they don't care

25:29Joe Johnson:nothing about that. It's inevitable, Joe. When it's time to go, boy, it's time to go.

25:37Shannon Sharpe:I think the hardest thing is because James is up in age, what is he on? 36? Probably 36, yeah. That sounds about right. 36, 37. You know, when you make it to those years in basketball, that's like, you know, that's like the cliff. They don't really think you can really play no more, you know what I mean? But you got guys like KD and LeBron who didn't exceed the odds, and now they make it look like you can play in your 40s. That ain't normal, guys. It's not normal. And I think the thing with James saw, he's like, hold on. I'm playing at a higher level than PG, and PG just got four years, two plus.

26:20Shannon Sharpe:And y 'all won't get me two years at 80? I ain't nobody. Yeah, no, no. He going to get that, Joe? We all played the sport. So we secretly, we pocket watched. Man, hey, Joe, you see what that Joker got? Man, he averaging 12 points a game. Oh, Joe, man, that Joker caught 50 balls last year. They gave that Joker 20 million. Yeah. You think, Joe, he going to get what he want? I'm not sure what he trying to get. Is he trying to get a two, three-year deal? I'm sure he probably wanted a three-year deal. He's going to get it, though. I think he wanted two years. What did the reports say? Now, I don't know.

27:08Shannon Sharpe:He didn't say, but the reports like he wanted two for 80. I think Cleveland gave him that. I don't think they would have traded for him. They wouldn't give up Darius Garland. Exactly. They just brought James over there for the rest of the year. And then get him out of there. That don't make no sense. So I think they'll definitely pay him. So I think they'll pay him. He'll get his money. But all James did was say the quiet part out loud. That's it. Yeah. I mean, you think about all the guys that spent one. I mean, think about the guys. All your greatest players. How many of them really actually stayed with one team?

27:48Joe Johnson:Doesn't happen often. You get Kobe.

27:50Shannon Sharpe:You get Magic. You get a Duncan. You get a Dirk. You get a Bird. But for the most part, for those five, you get Shaq, you get Kareem, you get LeBron, you get KD. You're going to have your step. Like I said, you're going to have outliers. But if you go back into the NFL, Joe Montana played for two teams. Peyton Manning, two teams. Tom Brady, two teams. Emmitt Smith, two teams. Bruce Smith, two teams. Jerry Rice, several teams. Time, several teams. Randy Moss, several teams. T.O., several teams. Warren Moon, several teams. You see how it's going? Every once in a while, you get outliers. You get an Aaron Donald, one team.

28:38Shannon Sharpe:You get an AOT, one team. But for the most part, you get a Marino or an Elway, but a lot of times, man, you're going to have to move it on alone if you want to continue to play. Now, if you want to leave a couple years earlier than you want to, just so you stay in one jersey, that's your choice. But if you feel that you can still feel you can play at a high level and you want to keep playing, well, it might be a possibility. It's not there. I'm sure all things being equal, you guys, Joe and Ocho, I guarantee you, Mr. Kraft would have preferred Tom Brady to retire. a Patriot but you don't think he wanted him to go to hell no why you let that happen then because he let coach Belichick talk him into it he did he trusted coach Belichick basically and coach Belichick when he wanted to do it before he made him get rid of Jimmy G well right I remember that he's not the same player he's falling off Tom said I'm going to show you That's all a player need That's all some players need is a little gas Yeah you give them a little gas Boy they gone I'm going to fall off into another Super Bowl

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33:09Shannon Sharpe:Lord have mercy. Doc Rivers believes he deserves to get into the Hall of Fame per Mark J. Spears. Joe, Doc, in the last 15 seasons, zero championships, zero finals appearance, one conference appearance. When did guys start talking about the Hall of Fame, Joe? Go ahead. It must be. It's got to be the era we're living in, Uncle Ocho. this social media era because everything, you know, is magnified to the highest at this point. You know what I mean? You see people always talking about the Hall of Fame, and we all know how prestige it is to make it. And the fact that he's won a title, he's coached some greats.

33:52Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, he probably should have won a few more, but, you know, I think he's done a, you know, an okay job. Now, he's had some teams that we all felt that should have went to the finals, like this Bucs team with Dane. obviously Dame getting hurt you know things happen but I don't know man I think he gonna get in I think he gonna get in look the basketball because they factor in so much they take in college they take in international play hell they take in high school I don't know Joe I don't know I just

34:32Shannon Sharpe:I just I mean you look at his resume outside of the Celtics. And his resume outside, let's just say for the sake of argument, if you say, well, take his – if he had one, two, three championships with the Celtics, and you say, well, look at his – okay, well, you're right. He didn't do a whole lot in Orlando. He didn't do a whole lot in Philly. He didn't do anything with the Clippers, and he's not doing a whole lot with the Bucs. But he did get two or three championships with the Celtics. but he didn't get two or three championships with the Celtics. He's blown more 3-1 series leads than any coach in NBA history.

35:09Shannon Sharpe:If I'm not mistaken, he's lost more game sevens in NBA history. I don't know, man. I don't know. Guess it just depends on what the committee feels. Yeah, yeah.

35:24I just, I mean, I just, I just, I just get uncomfortable

35:29Shannon Sharpe:when people start talking about the Hall of Fame. That's something that once you're done, you let, unfortunately there ain't nothing you can do. Once you're done, a committee, panelists, whatever they call themselves, they're gonna vote on that. But for you to talk about that now. To be advocating yourself. Yeah, man. That's cause we ain't never, you don't never, you never see that though. You never see a guy still playing and, you know, him talking about himself or, you know, her talking about herself, talking about the Hall of Fame. That's why I asked y 'all the other night. I'm like, man, I ain't never thought about that when I was playing for real.

36:11Shannon Sharpe:Like, I just wanted to go out and compete, enjoy the game, have fun with it, and, you know, put my talents on display. But it was never to where I entered a game or a season thinking, oh, I need this to go right for me to make the Hall of Fame. As a seventh rounder, what business I got even thinking about the Hall of Fame? I was always just trying to make a team. Yeah, trying to show you belong. Seventh rounders don't make the Hall of Fame? Now, way, way back when when they had 25, 30 rounds, Ocho, you know, you get a seventh rounder. But in the modern era when you only had, you know, you had 12 rounds and then they cut it down to seven now, seventh rounders don't be making no Hall of Fame like that?

36:49Shannon Sharpe:Nah. So why was I even thinking about something like that? I'm just trying to, hey, if I could just stay on the rock. if I could just stay on the roster. That's what it takes. All the fame. You got to just fight.

37:01Joe Johnson:Ojo, what round you went, Ojo? Second round. Six picks in the second round, Joe. Oh, you were like that, huh? Huh? You were getting money up there, huh? Hey, Joe, I got a little bag. Oh! I got a little bag. So you were better than me coming out. Huh? You was better than me, huh? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm still better than you right now. Yeah, Joe. This is what I do. This is what I do, you know? Hey, Joe, I was a one for one. I bounced around. I didn't really get an opportunity to blossom at a Division I school for four years. So, I mean, I got lucky. My back was against the wall and it was a do or die moment.

37:43Joe Johnson:Either you get it together now with this one year or you're going to be right back in Liberty City, you know, doing anything. I don't know what, but I maybe work for FedEx, be an Amazon driver.

37:55Shannon Sharpe:Hey, hey, hey. That's the best thing. Sometimes, you know, you may not know it because you're in the moment. But when you're back against the wall, that's when you're going to perform your best. You just don't know it.

38:05Joe Johnson:You don't have a choice, Joe. I ain't had no more eligibility left. So I had no choice but to do it. Okay, you know what? Let me try it my grandma way this one time and see what happens. I'm going to go to class. I'm not going to skip. And I'm going to put football second. And lo and behold, it got damn work. you ought to go back to school and get you a degree, Ocho. I'll be so proud of you. I am. I told you I'm going back to fam. I'm not sure how. Unk, I don't even know the steps to do it. You're going online? I want to be in school.

38:40Shannon Sharpe:Man, you put your ass online. Nobody want to see your old ass, decrepit ass with them 17, 18, 19-year-olds.

38:45Joe Johnson:Nah, I'm.

38:46Shannon Sharpe:In class. You know you got. You ain't got the patience to sit there anyway.

38:50Joe Johnson:Yeah, Unk, I got patience, Unk. I sit here and play video games for seven hours, seven, eight hours a day.

38:54Shannon Sharpe:What about all them jobs you got?

38:57Joe Johnson:You right. You right. Hey, so hold on, Unk. Should I do it online? Yeah. I don't think I'm going to do that. But if I do it online and I graduate from FAM, can I at least walk? Can I walk? Yeah. Okay.

39:14Shannon Sharpe:Graduating online doesn't mean you don't get to walk in person. You don't graduate online.

39:19Joe Johnson:Right. Hey, Unk. Hey. Hey, Unk. I'm going to do that, Unk. I'm going to do that, Joe. I'm gonna do that. Yeah, what you thinking about majoring in? Probably the best thing I'm at. I'm good at business, I mean Joe. I'm good at business and marketing. Marketing, that's me there.

39:36Shannon Sharpe:That's me. Man, that's your grandkids gonna beat them out of school.

39:42Joe Johnson:Hold on, my kids done beat me out already. Three of them done beat me out of college already. They got their diplomas, I ain't got mine, Joe.

39:49Shannon Sharpe:French fry gonna beat you out.

39:52Joe Johnson:Hey, we got the show tomorrow? No. What about Saturday? No, no. Saturday? No. Damn. And French Fry gonna be here. Okay, what about Sunday? Yeah. Okay, okay. French Fry gonna be here. My dog gonna get on here, man. I got all my girls coming to the house. We gonna celebrate.

40:15Shannon Sharpe:How many girls you got, Ocho? Yeah, I'm six. I know you got a big gun over there huh? French fry getting dropped off?

40:26Joe Johnson:yeah, you're at the dough man don't do that don't do that no joke oh no hey Joe at the dough

40:44Shannon Sharpe:Matt McClung says he chose not to enter the dunk contest because several NBA players didn't want to compete if he was in it. McClung said, I think that was just best and back and forth for us to be like, then they were like calling me being like, people don't want to do it if you're going to do it. And I thought it's best if I just sit out this year and let it be no matter what. Man, you better tell me they scared of a guy that's in the G League. Who? Yeah, they scared of a guy. Yeah, he got A. That boy, he ain't about that playing. You see the past couple years where he's done. Yeah, it ain't close.

41:20Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, he done put them boys to shame. And they know he got the crowd behind him too. Yeah. Damn, but I wonder who didn't want him in there though. Hell, I don't want the one that's in there in there. Damn. So, I don't know what they're talking about. Oh, man. Me. Just be real, man. Come on. Like I said, and I get it, like the best players like really used to compete in the dunk contest. Yeah. That's what the dunk contest was. Now, every dunk contest, they're going to have Jordan, who's your best player, Dominique, who's one of your best players, or Kobe or things like Vince Carter, T-Mac, things like that.

42:06Shannon Sharpe:But these guys here, I'm like, hold on, bro, hold on. You can't be the 13th and 14th guy on your own team in the dunk contest.

42:17Shannon Sharpe:Larry Nance and Daryl Griffith, Dr. Duncan Stein, Terrence Stanbury, Kenny Skywalker, those guys. Yeah. Oh, you're okay. Yeah. Obviously Dr. Jay and David Thompson and those guys, Jordan and Dominique. But man, these guys here, man, I'm like. Hey, look, if you can fly, you got some hops. They trying to do whatever they can to make the dunk contest worth watching. so it don't matter if you the 12 men on the team but you in warm up line windmill and 360 that's me Joe you need to know the fans need to know him

42:59Shannon Sharpe:think about what they're saying who is this guy Joe you follow the league and some of these guys like who is he

43:07Joe Johnson:that's your introduction to allowing the fans to know you if you can jump if you a high flyer you know I mean but I mean it is what it is the fans like

43:21Shannon Sharpe:for the most part we like to have who gonna win oh man Dominique gonna get Jordan this year Jordan gonna get Dominique oh Dr. J gonna win oh yeah them days over oh no Ben's gonna win nah T might gonna win yeah them days over now look Zach Levine and Aaron Gordon these guys here like I said once they started letting guys miss like 15 dunks it was over that thing was star-studded back in the day yes I'm talking about you be glued to the TV you ain't missing that man dunk with them boys and that was the thing though Joe the all-star game the dunk contest that was Saturday night lights go down everybody hyped everybody got their camcorder everybody had their camcorder Yeah, yeah.

44:16Shannon Sharpe:I got a question. Do y 'all think we oversaturate everything because everything is kind of like right in front of us right now? It's like, so like, you know, you couldn't see none of that back in the day, Uncle Ocho, unless you turned to the TV at a certain time. You know, now, every game, you might be glancing through your phone and see everything that's going on. So do y 'all think that being oversaturated is kind of like what takes away from the pizazz of like All Star or things that we were accustomed to being excited about. But now, because we see so much, it's like man, whatever. Cartoons don't have the same once they started coming on every day.

44:57Shannon Sharpe:Cause cartoon used to be fun when they only came on Saturdays. One day. Then they came out with Cartoon Network. You're like, well, it ain't no fun if I can watch it all the time.

45:05Joe Johnson:Yeah, all the time, yeah. You know, I think, Joe, it might be oversaturated, but if the product did what it was supposed to do when it's out there, we would still be excited to see it. The fact that the product is out there and they're not doing anything to keep you excited, even though it's saturated. I mean, yeah, I mean, it is it is what it is. I was going to use an analogy that is oversaturated on Twitter. You can find it anywhere and sit anywhere. But for some reason, we always want to see it. But I'm going to leave that alone.

45:34Shannon Sharpe:We still like the dunk. We still talk about people getting flushed on.

45:38Joe Johnson:Yeah. But that's when they actually playing for real. Yeah. They actually playing for real. Joe, with All-Star Game, dunk contest, I mean, don't nobody want to do the dunk contest no more. They lack creativity. The last great dunk contest, Aaron Gordon versus –

46:01Shannon Sharpe:Zach Levine.

46:02Joe Johnson:Levine. Yeah, I mean, McClung.

46:04Shannon Sharpe:Them boys were showing up. That was nice. Ain't no way one should have lost. They should have been co-MVPs. Yeah, that was tough. But when you think about the All-Star game itself, I'm going to tell y 'all what really kills it. It's like the first three quarters, it's like Ole. Yes. You get a layup. You get a dunk. You get a between the legs. So fans don't really want to see that. They want to see you compete. You know, when their fourth quarter get here, and if it's a close game, obviously guys are going to compete. But them first three quarters be so watered down, that the fans get restless.

46:36Shannon Sharpe:You know what I mean? They get tired of just watching layups and dumps. Like, man, lock that dude up. It's already 194 and a half. 100 and what? 94. I ain't watching that mess, man. I mean, and they've tried everything. They let LeBron and Steph and LeBron and KD and they let Giannis and LeBron and they've let so many different players try to pick, and they split it up. You can pick somebody from the West even though you're in the East, or you can pick somebody in the East even though you're from the West. They've tried everything.

47:17Hey, I've been here.

47:19Shannon Sharpe:I heard the narrative about the blacks against the whites. What y 'all think about that? No. Hell, why not just making skins versus the shirts? Y 'all take y 'all shirts off the other way, please. Hey, Joe, play like we used to play at the Wreck. Yeah. Hey, some of these boys got some bad bodies out there. Oh, yeah. They got them BMWs body made wrong.

47:49Shannon Sharpe:But look, I just think the thing is we just got the lower expectations. It's never going to be what it once was. And there are a lot of things that's not as good as it once was. That don't mean it can't be good. It's just not going to be that. I think we just have to lower the expectations. It is. Or we got to get a good crop of guys, man, to really come in and pick this league back up. Because our megastars are going out. Yes. You know, they on their last legs. The Steph Curry. KD's, LeBron's. The Durant's, the LeBron's. Come on, man. Like, we need to know that the game is in great hands going forward.

48:31Shannon Sharpe:with the young talent. And we got some young talent in the league, but I think this draft class here is going to help out a lot.

48:42Shannon Sharpe:It is what it is, man.

48:47Shannon Sharpe:Jay Williams says, college basketball product is better than the NBA right now. College basketball product is better than the NBA product right now. Each night, college basketball, you're having top 15 matchups, and the best players are actually playing in the games and competing every night. Joe, Ocho, you agree? Yeah, I agree. I agree. I think what college basketball has done, obviously, it's a professional sport now, Ocho. This ain't just no regular college basketball. So what they've done is, okay, now this is a professional sport. Okay, even though teams, top teams in the SEC, they're going to play against some of these top teams in the ACC.

49:27Shannon Sharpe:You know what I mean? So you got to go out there and see these teams early versus just having to see them in the tournament. Now you get to see them early in the season. I think that's what made college so fun because we got the top guys competing against each other. You got the BYU playing against Kansas. You got the, obviously, always the North Carolinas and Dukes. But you got the Arkansas traveling to Houston to play. You know what I mean? So you got these top-ranked players playing against each other. So now we as the fans can kind of gauge on, okay, yeah, Arkansas Razorbacks, they got a chance this year.

50:02Shannon Sharpe:You know what I mean? Or whatever your team may be. I just think it's been a lot more fun watching because although these guys are getting paid, they still fighting for that next level. They all still got another level they want to get to, and that's ultimately the pros. Yeah. But if I can make me a couple of million while I'm here, I might as well. Wait, might as well? I'm here. I'm here. Why not? man what you guys can y 'all imagine the money y 'all be making in college i would have made a whole lot of money i probably made like 2500 5000 nah that's it mr fadden state ain't got

50:38Joe Johnson:money like that that's an hbcu bro yeah oh man somebody somebody i put them numbers up somebody would have came and probably swooped me up yeah hey look your thought process would have been a

50:49Shannon Sharpe:lot different going into college knowing that they were paying money that's what i'm trying Yeah, my thought process was good, them grades wasn't.

50:58Shannon Sharpe:I'm saying, look, I'm saying, think about this. If you're a high school, Unc, and they say, and they telling you, okay, we're gonna recruit you to come play at whatever top school, and they gonna pay you, they willing to pay you anywhere from 1.5 to$3 million, man, please. Yeah. Hey, I'm gonna be so locked in. Woo! Yeah, I'm gonna be locked in, Unc. Yeah, but I had five-star talent. I had falling star grades. They didn't go together. But you're right, Jordan. What I'm saying is. Knowing what I know, and it's like, hey, man, you can make money at the next level. Not have to skip a level, but the next level you can make.

51:42Shannon Sharpe:Obviously, you weren't going to make that kind of money way back then when we come. But, Ocho, you know,$50 ,000,$100 ,000 was a lot of money back in 86, 87, 88. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Man, please. Yeah, I might have done a little something, a little something. I probably could have put some, you know, took a couple of books home and studied a little more.

52:06Shannon Sharpe:D-Wade called out Mavs fans for complaining about his free throws in 2006 finals. The greats get to the line. That's what they do. That's what you have to do. That's a part of your job. and so I got to the line. That was his game. It was one of the great performances that you will see in an NBA Finals. Oh, my God. And it don't even get talked about that much. Okay, Ocho. Yeah, they talk about it here and there, but I'm talking about it as far as one of the great, especially one of the great two guards. You know, D-Wade was special, man. That run he had against that Mavericks team. The last four games.

52:42Shannon Sharpe:What was that, 06? What was that, 07? 06? Yeah. Oh, man, he was unbelievable, bro. Yeah. Yeah, it was. Man. I mean, he averaged like 36 a game. He was ridiculous. They had no answer. He was crazy.

53:00Joe Johnson:Yeah. I mean, I'm happy I got the experience that. I'm happy I got the experience that.

53:06Shannon Sharpe:You went to some games, Ocho? I went to one.

53:09Joe Johnson:I went to one. Yeah. That was enough for me. That was enough for me.

53:13Shannon Sharpe:I went to a game, Ocho. I'm trying to think. They played San Antonio. Actually, it was the year they came back. Game two, I went to game two because they had lost game one, remember? When Tony Parker hit that scoop shot on LeBron. Yeah, so that had to be 2013? No, 2012. 2012. That was his first year in Miami? Yeah, 2013. 13, because they beat OKC in 12 and then they beat San Antonio in 2013. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 2013, 2013.

53:51Shannon Sharpe:I fought right up for him. Man, them tickets was, whoo!

53:56Joe Johnson:They was expensive, huh? $7 ,500 apiece. Oh, yeah. D-Wade got my ticket for me. I ain't had to pay none. I ain't had to pay none. Hey, Joe, that's one thing about it, man. Having relationships with people in different sports and just never burning no bridges, man. every blue moon, Joe, every blue moon. You know how somebody say, well, you ever want to come to a game, you know, let me know. Most of the time, you know, I don't take them up on the offer, but I waited. I waited for this. What's up, boy? You know, I'm going to take you up on that offer. Remember you said, yep, I went to one game and I never, I never take advantage of it, Joe.

54:37Joe Johnson:You know, being that I know everybody didn't have access and the resources to do, they didn't do anything, Joe. I don't ever take advantage. Every blue moon, Joe. Every blue moon.

54:47Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, when it's really worth it. That one was worth it. Yeah, yeah. Now it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q &A.

55:07Shannon Sharpe:Nick Mars. Rare to catch this live, but I start my work tomorrow, work morning, every day with you guys. Thanks for getting me through some troubled times. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Keep it up. Thank you, Nick. Appreciate you. Thank you, Nick. Deshaun Allen, what's up, guys? Question. What were your grandmother's favorite recipe that she always made for you growing up? Ooh, that's a good one. Them grandmas ain't cooked with recipes. They just cooked. Cooked. I've never, honestly, I can honestly say this. I've never seen my grandmother look at something a cookbook or recipe or something my grandma just cooked from memory

55:46Joe Johnson:same yep it's something that they learned and they've been doing it so long they've been doing it so long they don't need no recipe they put something in there

55:55Shannon Sharpe:that's the one they taste it need some more of this that's how my grandma cooked so but I used to love you know what I need to find me some stew chicken hey where did you kick Who got some good stewed chicken in Vegas? Stewed chicken wings, mother's pork chops. You eat chicken sauce? Huh?

56:18Joe Johnson:Chicken sauce. Chicken sauce? Yeah. What is that? You never had no chicken sauce? No, hell no. God damn, huh? What is it? Chicken sauce. I don't know how it's made. I just remember grandma used to make some damn chicken sauce. I know the name of it. Hey, you ain't been to Gris Cafe. I'm not Grits Cafe. You ain't been to Soul Food Cafe yet? I ain't been to Soul Food Cafe, Grits Cafe?

56:45Shannon Sharpe:That's in Vegas?

56:46Joe Johnson:Yeah, Soul Food Spot and the breakfast spot. It's jumping like that, Ojo? Yeah, it's our people. Our people spend real good, you know. Oh, okay.

56:54Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, real good food. Damn. Versace Ari, Ojo, fried as hell. What that mean? No, he say he took a nap.

57:07Joe Johnson:He say I'm fried? Yeah. Yeah. Fried me like hot, don't it? Yeah. Yeah, I don't smoke, man. He tripping.

57:20Yeah.

57:21Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I want some stewed chicken, some other fried pork chops. You eat pork chops? Ain't nothing like a good soul kid. Man, yo, yo.

57:30Joe Johnson:Boy, who you telling?

57:32Shannon Sharpe:Some good old corn, I'm talking about a good old cornbread that tastes like pound cake. jalapeno or blueberry either one I'm good I'm good either one I gotta find me a place I just told you oh man that place was out the line was out the building man yeah there's a reason why I was out the building and there's a reason why I didn't stop so we had two reasons the food good and I don't like the weight Hey fam, Joe, I see that you're very good at this doing yoga. I would love to see Uncle Ocho do yoga with you. It would be great nightcap episode. Yeah, we got to get y 'all in there, man. Just one class.

58:21Shannon Sharpe:I got, Joe, you can't deny it if you ain't tried it now. I can't sit still. Hey, Joe, I can't sit still. Before I got the hips, Joe, I could do a split front to back. We can get them hips back right. That's what you don't know. I ain't getting no more surgeries. Listen, listen, listen, listen. Them bands you got in them hips need to be stretched out. That's all they need to be. You need to stretch them bands out. No, I'm going to make sure these screws stay in there.

58:48Shannon Sharpe:I'm going to get y 'all in there one day. I'm going to get y 'all in there. I used to do all that Pilates, all that stuff on the Reformer. Yeah. I still love doing that on the Reformer. Okay, Ocho, you mix that Pilates in your game, that Reformer Pilates. Boy, hey, the hell you looking different out here for real.

59:05Joe Johnson:I can't sit down that long, Joe. If I'm not playing a video game, I can't sit down, Joe.

59:12Shannon Sharpe:Like, your mind just be racing. It won't slow down.

59:16Joe Johnson:Joe, when I was playing, Joe, I ain't even stressed, Joe. You know, we go out to practice in the stress line. I'm talking. I'm in everybody's line. Joe, I don't stretch, man. I can't. I ain't getting massages when I played. I ain't, man, I just. You was a special individual. I wouldn't consider it special. I just, it's weird. It's weird. It just, and for some reason, I think it's one of the reasons I never got hurt. You know, most of the time, people that are not that flexible, they don't get injured much. You know, and I just, I don't know, man. Maybe it's a conspiracy theory that I came up with.

59:54Joe Johnson:I don't know. I just sitting there and stretching and doing yoga and doing poses and it's quiet. and nobody talking like i can't do it i'm gonna have some footage coming soon don't worry i'm

1:00:07Shannon Sharpe:gonna have some footage for y 'all coming soon hey joe as you uh uh see it just flatter the floor

1:00:15Joe Johnson:you could do that man i could yeah joe i can't even touch my damn toe joe oh man come on joe hold on let me see if y 'all can see this

1:00:27Shannon Sharpe:we got a you gotta get them loosen up them hamstrings man get that low that low back gonna go to hurt you know I ain't boy I can see you but I wouldn't you fit to follow your ass out on your head in that chair that wild for the same what is you doing

1:00:41Joe Johnson:I'm trying to show you this is far as I can go down

1:00:45Shannon Sharpe:oh man this don't look good yeah man you gotta stretch some hamstrings out Ocho I know you guys listen guess what But if you don't stretch them out, man, by the time you turn 50, look, your back going to bend them when I –

1:01:01Joe Johnson:Hey, Joe, I cannot go past my ankle. I couldn't go past my ankle when I was playing. And now it's even worse.

1:01:09Shannon Sharpe:So I got a question, Ocho. So when you go work out, you don't stretch before you work out. You be out there running around doing – you don't do no –

1:01:15Joe Johnson:Nah, I do. I go through, you know, the regular drills. Obviously, I'm doing soccer stuff right now, Joe. I go every morning. You know, high knees. hey what you call this right here oh yeah

1:01:28Shannon Sharpe:I do that

1:01:29Joe Johnson:quad stretch then I do one lap around the field with the ball and then I go I go to work

1:01:39Joe Johnson:yeah man it's bad Joe when it comes to stretching and eating right Joe I'm talking about it's bad Joe

1:01:47Shannon Sharpe:you gotta get right man you know Cambodian man y 'all come see me Baby girl will love it, man. Trust me. Women love it, bro. They love that hot yoga and Pilates. They killing the space.

1:01:58Joe Johnson:Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hot? Yeah. I don't want it. If I'm going to do yoga, I don't want it hot. Now I do it.

1:02:06Shannon Sharpe:Well, you got to get it. It'll help you get into the pose because your muscles are warm. Yeah, you got to warm up the muscles, joints, and tendons, Ocho, so we can stretch them out and elongate them a little bit. Get that elasticity. Yeah.

1:02:20Joe Johnson:I could do a jog. I could do a light jog or something before we do it. I don't need to be hot in there. Yeah, man. It's hot yoga, Ocho. Have you ever tried it before? Joe, you know damn well I ain't done no yoga now.

1:02:35Shannon Sharpe:Oh, man, Ocho. Hey, boy, this will be some good footage, boy. We got to get you on Hogan now.

1:02:40Joe Johnson:I know, because then you're going to have everybody laughing because they can see I'm not.

1:02:42Shannon Sharpe:No, no, no, no. Ain't got nobody. I'm going to have some people in there that jog, the people who can demonstrate so you can see so you ain't lost. I'm gonna take games. I've done Bikram. For me, I'm a sweater. So I just, I mean, I couldn't keep enough fluid. I mean, I'd be locked up. And you know. Now we get you, we get you a knife. I'm a sweater. Yeah.

1:03:16Shannon Sharpe:Hey, we'll get you. Yeah. Yeah, we'll get you right. We'll get you right. Scruffy, last night, you messed up my hometown's Goldsboro. Dunn called it Goldsburg. I called it Goldsboro. That's worse than Ocho Ralea. Shake it my head. Goldsboro, North Carolina. Nasa, dude, Ocho, with Cupp getting his second Super Bowl of his career, would you rank him? Where would you rank him all-time receivers? receivers bro he only had two 1 ,000 yard seasons what we doing he had a phenomenal triple crown season that was the greatest receiving that's the greatest singular receiving season in NFL history when you look at it in its totality the 147 catches the 1900 yards the touchdowns and then and he followed it up with the postseason that he had and win the Super Bowl MVP is phenomenal.

1:04:18Shannon Sharpe:But, God, what we doing now? What we doing?

1:04:26Shannon Sharpe:Lee Mason. Man, Ochoa only put two points in 20 minutes, so teams still be taking. Yeah, we saw you in that charity game, Ochoa, now. Who? Spurs legend Pritchard dropping Wilton numbers on Ocho. I believe it.

1:04:43Joe Johnson:No he won't. Because that's one on one. I was in a game where Hesigard said listen continue to facilitate the ball to me because I got a bet on the game. He had a bet on the game with Gilly. And I didn't want him to lose. That was a whole lot of money and I didn't want him to be the reason to lose. So I wasn't doing no scoring, rebounding and I'm kicking back out. But hey Pritchard. You heard me? How tall is Pritchett, Joe?

1:05:10Shannon Sharpe:He about your height? He about 6 '2"? No, I'm 6 '3". Oh, he getting that work.

1:05:17Joe Johnson:Don't ever play with me like that, man.

1:05:19Shannon Sharpe:That man getting 30 and 40 in an NBA game against NBA players. Hey, hold on. Hey, what that got to do? That's five on five. It's just me and him. Manny Omano. No, Ocho. It's one-on-one. The great basketball players in the NBA are great one-on-one players.

1:05:33Joe Johnson:Hold on. Hey, hey, do me a favor. What's Pritchett's first name? Peyton. Hey, Peyton Pritchard, do me a favor. At some point in the offseason, please come to Miami. We gonna film it. Me and you, one-on-one. Unk and Joe on the sideline. I'm gonna wash you. You might not score a point. I'm gonna wash you.

1:05:57Shannon Sharpe:I know I'm putting my mouth out.

1:05:59Joe Johnson:Everything I got. With all due respect. Hey, Peyton Pritchard. So I'm gonna call his name P.P. I'm going to call him PP. Yeah, I'm going to give him a nickname.

1:06:08Shannon Sharpe:All I said is, hey, that man, you might not score a bucket. So who's that? So basically, none of y 'all believe in me.

1:06:16Joe Johnson:That's what you say, right? I don't. No? See, this is exactly how my teachers did me in high school when they told me I wasn't going to the mountain or nothing. This is exactly what they did to me.

1:06:25Shannon Sharpe:You and your AHA beat no current NBA player. I don't care what your teachers told you. Okay. Okay. See? Okay. See the little boat. What's up, Big Three? It's my birthday today. Turn 33. Can you give me a birthday shout? I love the show. Mexico loves Ocho. Absolutely. Happy 33rd birthday. Happy birthday, bro. Happy birthday. Thank you for staying up with us. We greatly, greatly appreciate that. It's that king one. Would y 'all agree the dunk contest with Aaron Gordon and Zach Levine is top three all time? I think so for sure. I think it's the best dunk contest. It's number one. That 2016? I definitely think it's top three for sure.

1:07:09Shannon Sharpe:Which one is the one with Dwight? It's the dunk. It's the creativity that they were doing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they were doing dunks that we hadn't seen. They were very creative, and they had so much style to it. You didn't know what was going to happen. Boomer90, what's up, guys? Love the show. Can you give me February 13th and my mom February 8th, the birthday shout-out, Boomer and Anita. She would love it. Thanks, guys. Boomer, Anita, happy. Well, your birthday is tomorrow. Hers has already passed. So happy belated birthday, Anita, which is the mom. Boomer, and happy early birthday to you. Well, if you're on the East Coast, it's already your birthday.

1:07:50Shannon Sharpe:So happy birthday, guys. Appreciate you supporting and watching Nightcap because of you, all this is possible. So happy birthday. Have fun, guys. Mike, Mike, what's up, Big Three? Solution for the Pro Bowl and All-Star Legends. game is legends versus current players. Shout out to Ocho for the idea. Yeah, I like that. I mean, look. Legends versus. I mean, flag. I don't know what it's like in the NBA, but most of the legends in football got artificial hips, got artificial knees. They not doing nothing. Bro, they played in the era. They played in the era. It was real, big boy, grown man, physical football.

1:08:26Joe Johnson:Yeah. But it's just skill positions, though, huh? Just skill positions. You know, a few tight ends. Who do you think running? Yeah, they would have to know ahead of time to prepare themselves, huh? Ain't happening.

1:08:40Shannon Sharpe:Dude, Joker, you talk about guys that ain't ran in years. I'm still running, though. Okay. I can see Ocho dead, Brian. I can see them getting out there. It'd be fun.

1:08:54Joe Johnson:It'd be fun.

1:08:55Shannon Sharpe:I ain't saying they're going to do nothing.

1:08:58Joe Johnson:Nah, nah, Joe. These young boys going to get this work, Joe. Yeah. that'd be a nice crossover

1:09:06Shannon Sharpe:Woo Pig aka Drew my 7 year old autistic son Grayson Bright and he's sweet but struggling lately with anger I've done BJJ 10 years myself signing him up this summer hoping it helps him and his sister too any experience with autism I couldn't help you I have absolutely none Yeah, me neither. I see it, and my heart goes out to people that have kids and have to deal with it. That's something that's forever. And that takes a lot of patience. It takes a lot of time. But I haven't had any dealing with it personally myself, so I would be the last one to try to offer you some advice. But hopefully it helps with the anger issues.

1:09:57Shannon Sharpe:But I'm sorry, bro. I have nothing. A1-12 was a big three. Would there be a live show in Atlanta this year? If so, would the big three be all together? If there's a live show in Atlanta, you best believe the big three will be together. What are we going? Y 'all won't leave me out of this one. Y 'all come down here. What are we going to Atlanta? If there is a show in Atlanta, obviously Joe will be there. Hold on. So we doing Houston too? We haven't decided yet. We're still wearing our options.

1:10:32Joe Johnson:Hey, you know we got a huge fan base in Raleigh too now.

1:10:36Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I know. Yeah. Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. After you watched the Los Angeles Lakers beat the Dallas Mavericks by the score of 124-104, LeBron James became the oldest player in NBA history to record a triple-double. It was his first triple-double of the season. He finished with a game-high 28 points, a game-high 10 rebounds, a game-high 12 assists as they win by 20. Thank you guys for joining us. Y 'all know who I am. I'm your favorite Unc, and that is my partner and co-host, Liberty City's own Chad Ochocinco Johnson and University of Arkansas alum, Arkansas, Little Rock, Arkansas.

1:11:19Shannon Sharpe:I wouldn't say Arkansas, Little Rock. Little Rock, Arkansas native, seven-time NBA All-Star. That is Iso Joe Johnson. please make sure you hit that subscribe button please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from we'd like to thank you for your eyes ears and your word of mouth you make all of this special you make it worthwhile thank you those looking to purchase a bottle of shade by laportier head to laportier.com if you cannot find it in a state or city near you we have the og bottle which is a 750 but we also now have the junior, which is the 375.

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1:13:03Chad Johnson:We'll see you next time.

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