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10:58Shannon Sharpe:Absolutely. Yeah. Because this is what we know. What did Kobe want more than anything? He wanted two things. He wanted to get one up on Shaq. Yep. And he wanted to tie number 23 that played in Chicago.

11:12Chad Johnson:Yes, sir. Yeah. Yeah.

11:17Shannon Sharpe:We can question whatever else we wanted. We know he wanted two things. He wanted one more ring to shot, and he wanted it at least at the bare minimum. Tie 23.

11:30Chad Johnson:Yeah. All right, look. I heard him talk about the series that the Lakers lost to the Celtics. Yeah, that they lost to Boston that first one, and then they came back and won that second one. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He wanted to win both of them. Yes. Yeah.

11:48Shannon Sharpe:I still don't know how they lost that big-ass lead in game four.

11:56Shannon Sharpe:But I look. At this point in time, you are where you are.

12:05Shannon Sharpe:You either Jordan. You know what it is? It's kind of like politics right now. You either like the guy that's in office or you don't. It ain't no in-between. Right. you either you either a jordan or you're lebron you either kobe or lebron the day it used to be like you know hey man i like i root for both of them yeah no you can't that's over that's over they won't allow you now man you know i like hey such and such got some good policies policies i like where he is on this i like where she is on that I like the individual. Policy be damn. The economy be damn. Foreign policy be damn. Education don't matter.

12:56Shannon Sharpe:If I like the candidate, I like everything he or she represents. That's what we are now in society. And it wasn't always like this. Look, I had I had Magic Johnson, the weapons. I had the purple and gold. I had Larry Bird. Larry Bird was my favorite player. I didn't root against Magic. I did when he played against the Celtics. Because I wanted Bird to win. But when Magic was going against, he going against Isaiah. I'm sorry, Zeke. I rooted for Magic.

13:33Chad Johnson:Yeah.

13:35Shannon Sharpe:He played, I was like, man, once Dr. J got that championship, I was like, because I wanted Dr. J because he was getting there every year, lost to, they was up 2-0 on Portland. Yeah. The year Bill Walton won, you know, they come back and Bill Walton didn't win four straight.

13:51Chad Johnson:Uh-huh.

13:54Shannon Sharpe:But that's where we are now, Joe. It's really that simple. Yeah. It ain't no, you can't, man, I like Ocho. Man, I like Ocho. No, no. You either like Ocho or you like Laugh-Fish Joe. You can't like them both.

14:08Chad Johnson:Mm. damn it is what it is that that's what that's what social media yeah has done yeah yep i agree it's a never it's a never-ending debate especially if you know your stuff individually about about said player you'll always have enough information to back what your opinion is on who you like the most and it that's a debate like that just like politics on it's never ending Yes. It's never ending.

14:41Shannon Sharpe:But see, Jordan, see, when Jordan would score 50, nobody would say Wilt would have scored 70.

14:48Chad Johnson:Mm-hmm.

14:48Shannon Sharpe:LeBron scored 50. What did everybody say, Joe? Kobe would have got 60. Jordan might have got 70.

14:54Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah. That's because, you know, they go at LeBron because they, you know, quote, say he don't have the killer instinct that Michael Jordan and Kobe had. You know, he's just a hell of a talented basketball player, bro. He didn't need to have that mentality. You know, he still put up – I mean, damn, look at the numbers he even put up. I mean, he's – hell, if he quit now, he's always arguably going to be the best – one of the best players, if not the best player to ever play the game.

15:24Shannon Sharpe:How can – oh, he ain't got no bag. Okay, that man ain't got no bag and got more points than anybody in the history of the game. So what would – so what would you want him to have? He had a bag. What, are you going to get 60 ,000 points?

15:36Chad Johnson:Man, I think the way that he's kept his game has stood the test of times, meaning, you know, he's adapted. Every year, bro, every year, every decade, he's adapting his game. I mean, when LeBron first came to the league, Ocho, dudes wasn't doing sidesteps in all this. No. You know what I mean? Like, he's added all the – as the game has evolved, his game has evolved as well. So, I think that's probably more impressive than almost anything else. that's how you're able to keep up with the Joneses.

16:08Shannon Sharpe:And guess what? He was a drive, drive, drive, turnaround. Now he put the three ball in his bag. Yeah. Now he's a top five guy in three-point shots. Now he's a – think about this. The all-time leading scorer is also a top three, top four assist guy. That is crazy. Go back and look at the guys that have at least 30 ,000 points and see how many assists they have.

16:36Chad Johnson:Well, I think when LeBron came into the league, that was one of his best attributes, the way he seen the floor, the way he could pass the basketball. You always heard the Magic Johnson comparisons. You know what I mean? It's just his athletic ability, his body type, you know, being able to score, being able to score in many different ways is what made him different from everybody else.

17:00Shannon Sharpe:but he's always been he's always been magic I never looked at LeBron and thought for one second he reminded me of a Jordan Kobe reminded me of Jordan because you know why he imitated everything he is a facsimile, he's a copy he ain't Jordan but he's as close as we've seen from the mannerism look how Kobe walked he walked like Jordan he put that damn wristband on his damn elbow He rolled Denise Lee down over his calf. He did everything Jordan did. He chewed gum. He had his tongue out of his mouth. Everything Jordan did, he did it.

17:41Chad Johnson:Hey, look, he even went so far to ask him about that fadeaway. He wanted to know how did he do the fadeaway. Like, what is it that you look for? And he said, MJ told him, man, you got to fill him with your legs. You know what I mean? Because he thought he filled him with his body.

17:54Shannon Sharpe:He said, no.

17:55Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah. You fill him with your legs. and then once he learned that, shit, that's what made him deadly. In that mid-range, three-point, like he had everything.

18:05Shannon Sharpe:He got to a point one time, that man shaved all his damn hair off his head. You hear me? He like Jordan, hair would grow. Yeah. He had a mini fro. He said, you know what, this ain't enough. Jordan ain't having had no fro.

18:18Shannon Sharpe:Jordan was thinning when he got to the league. Yeah. So Jordan's just like, you know what? You know you bad. Hey, you thinning. Ain't nobody in their 20s like, man. Because I don't remember anybody. Because when I was growing up, Joe, if you was balling, you was in your mid-30s, late-30s, 40s, 50s.

18:35Chad Johnson:Yeah.

18:35Shannon Sharpe:We ain't seen nobody in no damn 20s. Joe said, F this hair. I don't need no hair. Yeah, and cut it all off.

18:42Chad Johnson:Hey, he turned him into a monster.

18:45Shannon Sharpe:And y 'all don't remember, they used to let you wear gold chains. Yes, sir.

18:50Chad Johnson:Yes, sir.

18:51Shannon Sharpe:Joe had a dookie rope.

18:53Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

18:54Shannon Sharpe:Yes. Girl, go back and look at the ball tape. The guys had those gold chains out there, Ocho.

18:59Chad Johnson:Yeah, had one of them little choker joints on. Yeah, that was back in the day. That's why you see guys still wear them nowadays. You just can't wear them in the games. Right. Yeah, no, no, no. You could actually wear them in the game. Yeah, but you could wear them in the game back then. But nowadays, you see guys in the summer when they play pickup and all that, they got their earrings in, their chains on, two, three chains. Oh, man, it's a whole fashion show out here. Like now, Joe Ocho.

19:26Shannon Sharpe:Man, look at all the guys wearing all that jewelry.

19:28Chad Johnson:Them guys got 100 ,000, 200 ,000 with the chains out there, Ocho. Oh yeah.

19:32Shannon Sharpe:Oh, oh, oh, oh. The whole nine yards.

19:34Chad Johnson:Before the game start now, when they guys out there warming up, I'm talking about when you go out there and do your individual, boy, boy, they be dripped out out there now. Yeah. Yeah, they don't be playing. Hey, but I look in the NFL, hell, you can wear all that in the NFL. Yeah. You can wear all that. Hey, long, long, long.

19:51Shannon Sharpe:Guys be wearing watches, guys got a whole bunch of chains on. Yeah. Hey, long as long you know. If it gets snatched, it gets snatched. That's on you. Your hair hanging out, because they make, because before, at first, if you pull somebody's hair, it was a penalty. But they say the hair is a part of the uniform line. Guys tackle your ass by your hair, get a handful of your stuff. Yeah.

20:10Chad Johnson:Yeah, I remember I seen Tlaib pull a butter chain off his neck. Grab tree. Grab tree.

20:15Shannon Sharpe:He demoted. Yeah. Hey, boy, you got a savage to do that, bro. Man, Tlaib, hey, he like that. to Akeem like that for real though. Yeah.

20:26Chad Johnson:You gotta be a savage. Akeem, wow, man.

20:29Shannon Sharpe:But look, I get it. I don't think, you know, when you got a hero, I don't want nobody to surpass my hero. That's my guy. Yeah. And I don't want nobody to surpass him. And there's nothing anybody else can do no matter what they accomplish to surpass him. It's set in stone. somebody can win seven MVPs, somebody can win eight championships, they're not going to be Jordan. They're not. Because Jordan don't have the most rings. Havlicek never lost. There are guys that never lost a finals. Those Celtics, Russell 11-1. Havlicek won like eight, nine, and oh. Hey, hey, Joe. Man, Jordan's cultural impact is so different, man.

21:23It don't matter who come behind that.

21:24Chad Johnson:Nothing will unseat that. Nope. He made the game sexy, bro. He made it sexy. I ain't going to lie to you. He made the game sexy. Yep. And that's you, Joe. Oh. Man, boy, I wish you would try to wear some sneakers with a suit.

21:42Shannon Sharpe:Oh, Grant, I'm going to church with some sneakers on. Boy, Grant did have beat you there and took you to church to get buried. Oh, yeah. Now what do you see? People wear sneakers all the time with suits. They have events where they have tuxedas and sneakers.

21:58Chad Johnson:Yeah.

21:59Shannon Sharpe:He did that. He did that. His relevance. Nobody has had a greater impact on sports than him.

22:14Chad Johnson:I think when you think about it, man, it was everything. For me, Uncle Ocho, because I idolized him as a kid, bro, and being part of the Jordan brand, I felt honored. But it was the way he dressed, bro. The band wore a suit, damn near everyone. He did his interview. You had to wait to interview him after he got dressed. You feel me, man? He didn't have that earring in, yo.

22:37Shannon Sharpe:He didn't have that suit on. Yes, sir.

22:40Chad Johnson:Yes, sir. And y 'all absolutely right. He's a culture icon. And like I say, bro, I just thought he changed everything for the game of hoops, bro, how people looked at it. Yeah.

22:52Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. It was Magic that put it on television. Jordan took it global.

22:59Chad Johnson:There you go. Man.

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27:17Shannon Sharpe:All that other stuff. Bird and Magic did that. It became must see. And then here come this guy out of Wilmington, North Carolina.

27:31Chad Johnson:Went off.

27:34Shannon Sharpe:I didn't see it. I watched this man from his room. I watched when he hit the shot against Georgetown.

27:40Chad Johnson:Right.

27:41Shannon Sharpe:And I watched it. I didn't think that. Nobody thought. Nobody saw this coming. Nobody.

27:48Chad Johnson:Hey, man. That's just pure will and hard work and wanting to be the best. Like, he wanted to be the best. Every year, Joe. Hey, look, if you ever hear any of his old coaches talk about him, they all rave about him like his work ethic. His work ethic. Not only was he the most talented, but, hell, he outworked every damn body. So if you got that combination, hell, you going to get a megastar. You know what I mean? Like, I got more talent than anybody in the room, and I work harder than you. There's no way you can beat no dude like that, bro. That's what they say about Brady. Yeah.

28:24Shannon Sharpe:But Brady, see, the thing was, Brady was a hard worker. Brady wasn't at the level of talent that Jordan is. Jordan was supremely talented. Yes, sir. And outworked everybody. Kobe was supremely talented. Man, I mean, like I said, I've never seen anything like him. I've met a lot of famous people in my time. Being on television, being an ex-professional athlete and being in some places, I ain't never seen anything like Jordan, though. And everybody will talk about it. It's like his aura. It's like he levitating. Mofo ain't real.

29:00Chad Johnson:Hey, you right. I started to pinch him.

29:02Shannon Sharpe:I started to pinch him, Mocho. Like, you real? You better say, ah, if you don't say that, I was like, man, it ain't real. It was a spirit.

29:09Chad Johnson:Hey, bro, listen. I was with the brand for probably a decade or so, probably a little over a decade. And we used to do many gatherings, get togethers, and all that in the summertime, Uncle Ocho, then he would be there leading the charge. And every time, bro, I was at all. every time. Every time.

29:29Shannon Sharpe:People think I'm crazy. Like I said, I haven't been around him as much as you have, Joe, but the times that I've been around him, I'm still like, this man levitate. This man ain't walking. I've never seen anybody like him.

29:43Chad Johnson:I'm talking about the biggest shit talker you could ever imagine, boy. What? That's me. He backed it up. He backed it up, though. let me try this again that's me

29:58Shannon Sharpe:but see Ocho you talking like that on the field he talk like that everywhere anywhere he competing on anything bro how you doing put something on man I don't want to bet I just come to say hi that's all that's all I want to do I just want to say hello bro how you doing Hope Toby was in town. I just wanted to come over here and say hello, how y 'all doing?

30:24Chad Johnson:Facts, ay. But it didn't even matter how much money you had, neither, it's just like he wanted your money. He wanted your money. Yes! Yeah. Oh, hold on, so he like to bet like that, huh?

30:37Shannon Sharpe:No, he don't like to, he will. Yeah, okay, okay, okay. But you tell Jordan I said, make it light on him. What's up? What are you trying to bet?

30:48Chad Johnson:Hey, Jordan out there in NASCAR, man, he ain't studying y 'all.

30:53Shannon Sharpe:Oh, he doing his thing. Jordan be out there trying to bet with the professional golfers. Hey, give me this many holes.

31:01Chad Johnson:I can see that too, boy.

31:02Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

31:03Chad Johnson:Yeah. He different, man. He was, hey, he a different dude, bro.

31:08Shannon Sharpe:He is. He funny, but hey, he love the better. Man, I'm not finna lose my house, bro. The house, huh?

31:17Chad Johnson:The house? Yeah.

31:19Shannon Sharpe:you gotta go I mean that'd be bad you gotta come over there with like 150 200 ,000 Ocho that's light yeah it's light if you making 10-15 million it ain't light now

31:34Shannon Sharpe:I'm saying but here's the thing you lose you can't borrow no money you got to leave

31:38Chad Johnson:you got to go

31:41Shannon Sharpe:ain't no sitting around like hey man let me get a call

31:45Chad Johnson:yeah nah And it's hard to break somebody who's endless. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah. The casinos. There you go.

31:59Shannon Sharpe:The question is, they can weather your storm. Can you weather theirs? Hey. I like that. You might mess up a quarterly report. You might hit them 10, 15, 20 mil. But guess what? They know you'll come back. they'll send that big old private jet they'll get your Rolls Royce they'll put you up in that$25 ,000 a night room and guess what and they'll bring the baccarat they'll bring the poker they'll bring the craps table they'll bring it right to your room

32:31Chad Johnson:and that's how them dudes be in debt with these casinos I'm telling you bro I seen it I seen it first hand I ain't gonna even say his name who I was sitting there gambling with but man The man was losing so much money, bro. Mind you, I already told y 'all, once I lose by 1500, I'm pissed off, I'm gone. I'm gone. This man, he was six figures in the hole, bro. Yeah, you take out a marker. Yeah.

33:00Shannon Sharpe:I'm like, nah, I'm good. Hey, like I said, I already got, hey, I'm gonna gamble with what I came with. Right. Once you get that, I don't want no marker. I need a cab back to the airport because I'm going to get up out of here. I did. I laid. Man, I got there one night. I got there probably about. I was at the Golden Nugget. I was up. Lost all that back. I was going to stay about two or three days. Man, I lost that money. Called my girl and said, put me on the next flight. Put me on the flight. I was on the flight first thing in the morning.

33:37Chad Johnson:Hey, it ain't going to take me that, hey. I was at the Wynn Hotel. I hit him for like 30 grand, Uncle Ocho. I got my ass outta there. I'm gone. Oh, you got to. Yeah, I'm gone.

33:49Shannon Sharpe:I'm gone.

33:51Chad Johnson:Outta there.

33:53Shannon Sharpe:The most average one was like 80. Yeah. But I got him a hot streak at the Bellagio Joe.

33:58Chad Johnson:What you playing?

33:59Shannon Sharpe:I had like 15, I had like$2 ,500. What you playing? I was playing blackjack.

34:05Chad Johnson:Okay, yeah.

34:07Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

34:08Chad Johnson:Yeah.

34:09Shannon Sharpe:But it was a bunch of us. I mean, the table, we end up probably winning 300 ,000, 400 ,000. Damn. Between me, Crockett, it was me, Crockett, TD, John, and I think two other guys. So we end up winning about, I won 80. Damn. Then I went to the crap table, won me another, you know, won me another 10, 15.

34:38Chad Johnson:You been heavy, weren't you? I was.

34:41Shannon Sharpe:I'm saying after you really started winning. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how it was for me. I mean, I was up, I probably was up by 125. Yeah. Probably should have quit, but you know, hey, Joe, I tried A.

34:56Chad Johnson:Oh, oh, I'm the same way. Cause I started for like a thousand dollars and I had gotten to like 33 grand. I'm like, damn, 33 grand. But I had been on the dice for like 40 minutes. I'm day off. I know I'm no craps here in a minute. Let me get some of this damn money out here because those on all the numbers I probably had like a thousand dollars on six

35:15Shannon Sharpe:eight. Oh, you bet everything. You bet. So you bet. So you bet six. You bet four. You bet. Five. You think the hard way.

35:23Chad Johnson:That's eight to one. Sixty one. Every time I roll the dice, he was he was handing me money. I said, oh, yeah, I like this. The table was packed. Everybody going crazy. Everybody going crazy. Yes. I know I'm gonna fall off I started taking my money off and had probably about three, four rolls after that. I hit that seven. I said, man, get my money. I'm gone. I'm gone. Ain't D come back. Hey, you got to know when to stop. Man. You got to know when to throw the towel in.

35:49Shannon Sharpe:Hey. My guy Dana be game. He told me, man, we need to go out one night. I said, no, Dana, I don't need to go out with you.

35:54Chad Johnson:He in a high roller room, ain't he, man?

35:56Shannon Sharpe:Man, Dana be playing$100 ,000,$200 ,000 a hand.

36:00Chad Johnson:Hell no. Man, please. I guess if you got it like that, you know. Even, hey look.

36:08Shannon Sharpe:Hey, hey, hey, right now, I'm about 100. I can stand, I can lose 2 ,500.

36:15Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

36:17Shannon Sharpe:After that?

36:18Chad Johnson:That's it?

36:19Shannon Sharpe:Oh, I'm out of there, hell yeah. Hey, hey.

36:22Chad Johnson:I ain't give a... You crazy, nigga. Hey, it didn't matter if I had it tonight. I wasn't going over that 2 ,000. Nah. I'm like, oh, but that 2 ,500 limit? Yeah. I wasn't going over there.

36:33Shannon Sharpe:I don't even, the only time I go down to the strip, I gotta be going to something. It's an event, it's a function that I'm invited to and I gotta get there. But other than that, just to go, I go down there and see my mom, stay in her room, meet her friends, hang out, take some pictures, I'm out. Baby, you ain't gonna get, hell no.

36:55Shannon Sharpe:It used to excite me, it don't excite me anymore. Right. If it don't.

37:01Chad Johnson:I agree.

37:03Shannon Sharpe:But I mean, I could use a boy's trip, you know, so, you know, Joe.

37:07Chad Johnson:Hey, how that's your boy? Where we going? Y 'all let me know what y 'all trying to do now.

37:12Shannon Sharpe:How dare you go? Joe, this supposed to be secret.

37:15Chad Johnson:Oh, okay. All right, my bad. My bad. I'ma hit your line. I can use him. Yeah, Ocho, yeah, yeah. We need to do something, Ocho. I mean, y 'all don't want to take me. I can go on my own now. ain't no pressure I'm used to traveling by myself

37:32Shannon Sharpe:why y 'all want to come to Vegas where we going first in Vegas no we need to go to an island somewhere oh okay okay

37:42Chad Johnson:this just a fellas trip this just a fellas trip right this just a fellas trip yeah yeah yeah that's it hey hold on hold on no cameras man no cameras no camera Yeah, no camera, no camera. Yeah, no camera.

38:03No camera.

38:04Shannon Sharpe:Well, we need to go far, far away. I'm sure when they ain't got no sales service. That's how far we need to go. We need to go to Bali, to Bali. We got to go somewhere. We can't be going to Jamaica or Mexico. Oh, depending on you want to be on a flight that got that long. that's on you. It don't make me no matter. Well, if that's the case, we're going that far, Ocho, man. We got to take, you know, I'm sorry.

38:33Chad Johnson:You got to take a hostage with you?

38:34Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, man. Come on, Ocho, man. I mean, I feel you. I feel you. I feel you. Listen, understandable. Understandable based on the circumstances. Yeah. That's a long way to travel, man. I mean, that was your choice to go that far. I didn't want to go that far. Okay, where do you recommend? I mean, I was recommending somewhere within a three hour, you know, a three hour time span when it comes to flying. You know, three hour time span is good. That can get you to some good island. Are you staying in the States or you going to like Mexico? I mean, tell me, give me an idea of kind of what you're looking for.

39:09You know, just island, water, clear, sand, you know, white, culture, food, festivities, that's pretty much it, you know?

39:21Shannon Sharpe:Hell, I'll lie to you, I'm going on vacation. The last thing on my mind is eating.

39:27Shannon Sharpe:I promise you.

39:33Shannon Sharpe:Hey, I'll be right. When y 'all get back, tell me how it was.

39:40Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. So what, I'll be to Bahamas. I've never been to Bahamas. I've never been to Jamaica. You ain't never been to the Bahamas? I've never been. Damn. I told you I've only, Joe, I told you I've only been out the country one time. I had to make that trip, I had to go, you know. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember. And make that long flight. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I've been to Canada one time too, you know. I had to take a trip to Canada. Canada, nice. Hey, if you going, if Bahamas, you never been to the Bahamas, I can make sure the people take care of you real well out there, man, you hear me?

40:12Hotels accommodate you, roll out the red carpet. I'ma take you over to Fish Fry. Take you over to Fish Fry, you enjoy Fish Fry, you enjoy Junkanoe. Man, that Bahamian culture is awesome. I could introduce you to the PM and make sure.

40:26Chad Johnson:Hey, can you take a, from Miami, you could take a boat. You can take a boat, Baham. Boy, that's a 90 minute on a jet ski, Joe. Nah, I'm talking about we on that big yacht joint. The big yacht joint. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's about an hour and 30 minute ride, Joe. Aw man, ain't nothing. You can fish along the way. Yeah, that ain't bad, that ain't bad.

40:47Shannon Sharpe:I'm looking for some boo. I'm looking for some groupers. I mean, grouper. Grouper. I said grouper. I said grouper. Grouper. E-R, not I-E. Hey, we can go deep sea fishing while we out there too, man. I play it on it. Yeah.

41:03Chad Johnson:Real deep. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to have him a hell of a time, boy. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I just need to know, you know, hey, let me plan, let me get, you know, let them old people say,

41:22Shannon Sharpe:let me get my penis right.

41:23Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah.

41:29Shannon Sharpe:That means you, Ocho, because you know you like the, what you call it, everything you do, you like the photo. Who that? Ocho Cinco. Paparazzi. Hey, when you look good like this, you wanna make sure you capture the moments. See what I'm talking about, Joe? See what I'm talking about, Joe? There you go. Huh? Hey, Joe. Hey, I'm so close to being American Next Top Model, so anytime I go somewhere, those moments matter. You hear me?

41:55Chad Johnson:I thought he said no cameras. What'd he say, Joe? Yeah, he said no cameras. Oh, yeah, I told you I wouldn't bring it up because I know how to look like that. Hey, hey, a lot of people call me cocky. I'm not cocky. You know, I'm not conceited. I'm convinced. There's a difference. They call you cock eye. Huh? The eye. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Nah, it's good, it's good, it's good. They confuse it with your confidence, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They confuse it. It's the wrong letter C. I'm not cocky. I'm confident.

42:23Shannon Sharpe:We need to start planning. Because before you know it, it's going to be here. Who? First of all, one more thing. How long are we going? We need five days. At least. Oh, Lord have mercy. Five days? That's too long? Five days is too long? Yeah, the first day of the trip, that's the day to relax and simmer down.

42:43Chad Johnson:Man, we get up in the morning, hit the weights, go to the weight room, hit the weights, get some cardio in. Hey. You know, hit the pool. I'll be doing some push-ups.

42:52Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or some planks.

43:01Shannon Sharpe:Some bridges. Yeah.

43:06Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, man. So we're going to be living out. We're going to have the little bungalows. We're going to have our bungalows and stuff.

43:14Chad Johnson:Yeah, they got them in a...

43:19Chad Johnson:Hey, listen. We're going to have the big Airbnb mansion. We got the chef. Obviously, it's the same thing I do with the kids. I'm going to take the kids on vacation out there. Okay, okay. I'm not sure if you want. I get 10, 11, 12 bedroom. Not that we need that many rooms, but... Yeah. You get a nice place with a pool. Yeah. You get the chef. You have your own butlers and all that good stuff. Okay, okay.

43:43Shannon Sharpe:I'm interested. You got my curiosity. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, I got the live band that can come there, you know, to wake you up in the morning if you don't have it. They got an infinity pool like I can look over at the ocean? No, they don't have no infinity pool, but you can see the ocean from the backyard. I can see the ocean? Yeah, you can see the ocean, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, we got a personal driver everywhere down in the Bahamas. His name is Miko. He's going to make sure we good. We're going to bed. Hey, Joe, if we go to the Bahamas, I know the prime minister, we good. No matter what island we decide to go to right there, we good.

44:19Yeah, man, yeah. Okay, all right.

44:23Chad Johnson:Yeah. Probably be able to get a little bit of anything we want on the island, right? Yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, sir.

44:30Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, you know, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, you know what Joe looking for?

44:33Chad Johnson:Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm just asking questions. I'm just trying to see what's going on. Joe, what you looking for, Joe? Huh? What you looking for? That's scudging. You know, I might be looking for a little something, something Ocho. I'm just saying, we gonna be out, you know, we - Okay. Oh, now listen, they got yoga and Pilates classes out there too, that's what you talking about. Oh, okay, they got that? Okay, cool, cool.

44:55Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

44:57Chad Johnson:You know, Bahamians don't play with a company.

44:59Shannon Sharpe:Y 'all ain't gonna do nothing, man. I ain't finna get my hopes up.

45:03Chad Johnson:Nah, we gonna do something. We gotta let this boy here get over it, whatever it is he got. he gotta get over that then uh oh no i'm good joe i probably need one more day joe i need one more day i'm gonna be good one more day okay all right you know what i did too in my bedroom right it's not me too as my daughter you know my daughter staying with me now uh full time she got sick no she put the ac put the ac up put it on 60 wait till i go to sleep and put the damn ac on 60. Madame, vent point right at me on the, whatchamacallit? Oh, yeah, yeah. So, man, I went up there yesterday. I'm like, how the hell I get sick?

45:39Vent point right at me, so I just closed the whole vent. Again, she did it again at night. I went up there and turned it back down to 72. Boy, 60.

45:49Shannon Sharpe:So you let it run 60 during the day, then when you go to bed at night, you put it at 72. No, she do it at night. She wait till I'm good and sleep and put it on 60 degrees. Man, 60. what sense does this make? She put the AC on 60 degrees and then in the room got the damn window open. What sense does that make?

46:12Shannon Sharpe:I'm trying to figure out. So during the course of the day, what is your air condition at? Probably 72. Okay. And then at night you turn it down to 60. Yes, she'd be slick. What do you, but if she wasn't there, what do you turn it down to? I don't touch it. It stay on 72. Oh, okay. Okay.

46:35Chad Johnson:Uncle over there is living in 67, 68.

46:38Shannon Sharpe:Yes.

46:40Chad Johnson:I'm about 71.

46:43Shannon Sharpe:It's set. It won't go below 67, but it won't go above 70.

46:48Chad Johnson:It's cold in the mug in your house, boy.

46:50Shannon Sharpe:And I got three fans also and a humidifier.

46:58Shannon Sharpe:Man, I run hot, man. I run hot. Ain't nothing like, man, waking up, your sheets wet. I sweat through my sheets.

47:07Chad Johnson:Yeah, I'm like that too. I can't even sleep comfortable if it's hot now.

47:12Shannon Sharpe:Yo, no, no.

47:13Chad Johnson:Yeah, I'm not a sweater.

47:15Shannon Sharpe:You don't understand what it's like growing up in the South in summer and you ain't had no central heat, and it's hot and you stick your legs out and the mosquitoes tearing your ass up so you put them back in there. Man. Yeah, I don't really, I ain't no sweater. No, I'm a sweater. Yeah. Damn. Yeah. Man, you look at them, look at them, Joe, man. Hey, Ocho, hey, I'm telling y 'all chat, y 'all be thinking it's me and Ocho, it's Ocho and Hale. Yeah, Joe, no, no, listen.

47:46Chad Johnson:I understand what Unk's saying. I'm the same way, bro. I can't be hot. Like, I won't even sleep through the night if I'm hot. I got bedroom cold. I'm out like a polar bear.

47:58Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, that's me. I got three fans. Well, I got four. I got one here. I got three in the bedroom. I got two on Titus.

48:07Chad Johnson:Yeah, man. Hey, look. Y 'all stop trying to put that freaky jacket on me. They know who the freak is. From one, two, three, they know what orders we in. I'm three. Oh, hell no. You two.

48:18Shannon Sharpe:After Ocho. Ocho one, you two on three. No, no, no. Not even close, Joe. Not even close. Not even close, Joe. I already know you are. Man, I can't even - If them quiet, Ocho, if them quiet was in it. The more you always gotta watch out for. You hear me? Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. The more you always gotta watch out for. They pretend to be innocent. Boy, you get in behind closed doors, they turn you every which way but loose. Yeah.

48:48Shannon Sharpe:That's him. Chad. Yeah, yeah.

48:52Chad Johnson:Chad don't even believe that. Chad, what y 'all think of Chad? Man, that boy Ocho is a full-blown freak. They know that. Nah, nah, nah. I mean, listen, there's really no difference. Man, how y 'all talking about I unk one? Man, unk ain't one. Joe one. Nah. Nah. Hey, man. Joe got y 'all fooled. Nah, nah. Just remember, when you point one finger at me, you point four right back at yourself. You hear me? I'm pointing all of them at you.

49:20Shannon Sharpe:I got that cat. I'm shooting a three like cat.

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54:19Chad Johnson:I don't know about that. I think Draymond is a hell of a defender but considering the fact that Scottie Pippen 6 '7", 6 '8", Dennis Rodman 6 '9", those guys were crazy athletic and they were lengthy, you know, had long arms and they could defend their ass off. Draymond can defend his ass off too, but to say that he's just head and shoulders better than them guys, I know Steve Kerr played with Dennis Rodman and Scottie Pippen, but that's hard for me to believe, bro. I seen, I done seen Pip sit in that chair, especially in, what was that, 91 when they was playing against the Lakers. Yeah. He guarded Magic full court.

54:59Like, I mean, bruh.

55:03Chad Johnson:Like, I know Steve Kerr played with those guys, so for him to say that. Mean a lot. Yeah, but I can't just say Draymond is just head and shoulders better than Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman, Ocho. I can't go there. Hey, listen, that's out of my pay grade to really have an opinion on something like that. I mean, you would know better than I do. When you think of Pippen, you always think of him being, I don't want to say second fiddle, but the crutch, you know, the crutch to Jordan during that time, they was together. You know, obviously you know what he's done defensively. But the game is so much different now, though.

55:42It is. It's very different. Would Pippen and Rodman still be able to hang with these much more athletic and much more elusive and elusive guys today in today's game yeah i think so that man they were

55:53Chad Johnson:if you go look at them boys team especially in the 90s ocho look look how ripped and cut up them dudes was bro like them dudes were they lived in the weight room like i'm talking about from jordan having a breakfast club to what guys worked out before practice like everybody was cut up yeah you don't really see that nowadays bro you you see guys playing but they don't really had that muscle mass, them cuts, like them dudes had in the 90s. Yeah. Them dudes was in, they were in thoroughbred shape. You know what I mean? And I'm talking about Scottie Pippen can guard, he could guard the point guard, the twos, the threes, the fours.

56:31Chad Johnson:It's just back then guys, you know, smaller guys really wasn't guarding fives because the fives back then were really, really fives. Yeah, yeah, yeah. David Robinsons to Patrick Ewens to the Rick Smiths. Like you had real, real bigs back then. We really got like two, maybe three bigs in this era. There ain't really no bigs.

56:57So why is it when Steve Kerr says that,

57:01Shannon Sharpe:but if a modern player was to say that it's tougher now than it was back then, everybody's talking about they're crazy.

57:11Shannon Sharpe:How many times the guys have said now it's so hard, the pace of the game, to play 82 games like those guys did back then? Ain't nobody walking the ball up. Ain't no 73, 75 ball games.

57:22Chad Johnson:No. No. And it's just too many weapons on the floor nowadays. Your fours and fives can shoot the shit out the ball now. They can shoot the three. You know, the floor is a lot of space, which is why it's so hard to really guard a lot of these perimeter guys because your help is primarily not in the paint anymore. They're all spaced out. You know, the game is a lot more wide open, you know, than it's ever been.

57:55Shannon Sharpe:It's just, I don't know why, but every era holds their era so close.

58:03Chad Johnson:Yeah.

58:04Shannon Sharpe:We don't want to give it up, Ocho. We don't want to give it up, Joe. Right, right. I'm they're great guys but there are more of these guys that can shoot the ball there were guys that can shoot there's just more of them now there are guys that can handle the ball back then there's just more of them now yeah and that's okay and then when people ask me say Shannon what's the biggest difference between when you play tight end now and when the guys playing tight end today I said there's just more of them they're really only a handful of guys that could do what I do back then. Now you got Kelsey and you had Gronk and you had McBride and you got Laporta and you got Hawkinson and you got where there was two or three, you got ten.

58:50Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah. You got ten where you had maybe one or two guys,

58:56Shannon Sharpe:two guards that could shoot the ball like Reggie Miller.

58:59Chad Johnson:Yeah.

58:59Shannon Sharpe:How many guys can let it fly now?

59:02Chad Johnson:A flip over.

59:05Shannon Sharpe:How many? There wasn't no fours that could shoot the ball like Kevin Durant.

59:09Chad Johnson:No, sir.

59:10Shannon Sharpe:What are we doing? What are we talking? Come on now. There wasn't no fives that could shoot the ball like Chet Hongren that could shoot the ball like Jokic. What are we doing? Come on. That's not to take anything away from those guys. David Robinson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing, Rick Smith. Those guys were great. Yeah. That's not to diminish them. They're not shooting the ball like Jokic. No, no. They're not shooting the ball like Chet. They're not. They're not shooting the ball like Joel Embiid. It's okay to say it. That doesn't diminish them. It's called evolution.

59:44Chad Johnson:Yep, it's evolved.

59:46Shannon Sharpe:Yes. Why you think the guys? Look at the guys' shooting percentage. Go back and look at the guys in the 40s. Look at their percentages in the 50s. Look at them in the 60s. Look at them in the 70s. And look at it. It gets better and better and better and better.

1:00:01Chad Johnson:You're right.

1:00:02Shannon Sharpe:The guys got better. It's okay.

1:00:10Shannon Sharpe:It used to be an anomaly. Somebody threw 100 miles an hour in baseball, you're like, oh, my God. They got 25 guys to 100. Yeah. Now they ain't even looking at you if you don't throw a damn 100.

1:00:24Shannon Sharpe:You had maybe two guys. Not everybody throwing gas. Everybody throwing 100, 103. cut fastball, two seams, slide or split. I think the training is a lot different nowadays, too. For sure.

1:00:43Chad Johnson:You know, when you think about it, even when I came into the NBA, you didn't have a trainer. We just hooped. That's it. We meet up. Okay, we hooping at 2 o 'clock. That was it. That's how you got better. Yeah, you may have got some spots shooting up afterwards, but we wasn't doing no cone drills. We wasn't doing none of that. Nowadays, see, they get these guys when they're younger, and you may be 6 '8", 6 '9", 6 '10 in high school, but we're doing guard work. You're working on your jump shot. So that's how the game is able to evolve. And then by the time you get to college, you're a totally different player.

1:01:19Chad Johnson:Guys don't play until they back to the basket no more. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's only a couple dudes who have it in their repertoire. You know what I mean? But a lot of these bigs, they can't play like that. I mean, hell, you look at Aiden. And Uncle Ocho, he ain't really got no back-to-the-basket moves. He a face-up big.

1:01:36Shannon Sharpe:He a face-up big, yes. Yeah, he a face-up big. And he ain't drop-stepping. He ain't got no, hey, them guys used to turn their face.

1:01:45Chad Johnson:Yeah.

1:01:45Shannon Sharpe:He ain't got none of that.

1:01:47Chad Johnson:Nah, nah.

1:01:50Shannon Sharpe:But you look at Jokic. Ain't no big passer like Jokic out of the double team. No, sir. Nah. Ain't nobody passer like Joel Embiid can pass the ball. Yeah. Ain't nobody got the range. Ain't no big had the range of Joel Embiid. what guy was seven foot can handle the ball like Kevin Durant? What guy was that tall can handle the ball like Wimby?

1:02:10Chad Johnson:It ain't one. It ain't one.

1:02:12Shannon Sharpe:The only guy that was – there were only like a handful of guys that was six – like Penny Hardaway and Magic. They're a bunch of guys now.

1:02:19Chad Johnson:And they were pass first point guards. Yes. Like Penny was a pass first point, but he could score. You know what I mean? Like now – Yes. Now you got to be able to damn score that ball. and, you know, and pass at the same time. But your point guard is pretty much, you know.

1:02:38Shannon Sharpe:It ain't no point guard no more. Because if we look at point guards now, they're just two guards masquerading the other point. There you go.

1:02:43Chad Johnson:There you go.

1:02:44Shannon Sharpe:There you go. It ain't no more Gary Payton. It ain't no more Jason Kidds, Isaiah Thomas, Magic Johnson, John Stockton. It ain't no more of them guys. These guys are masquerading.

1:02:55Chad Johnson:Yeah.

1:02:55Shannon Sharpe:They're really twos. Yeah, you right. Allen Iverson was a two masquerading at the point. James Harden is a two masquerading as a point. Steph Curry, all these guys are twos masquerading as points.

1:03:06Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah. I think AI was more of a two guard than any of them. Because, I mean, I ain't saying he couldn't pass. He could pass, but he was just so prolific at scoring, bro. It's like it was unreal.

1:03:21Shannon Sharpe:It was unreal. I don't know how that little joker did what he did. At his height, at his body. Man, Chuck might have weighed 160.

1:03:30Chad Johnson:And think about it. Look how great he was in football. I mean, damn. You know, it's – But that's the mentality that he had on the basketball court. There you go.

1:03:43Shannon Sharpe:There you go. That's the mentality that he had. Yeah. So, yeah, look, I think the thing is is that obviously everybody going to praise their own player. Everybody says they get a player that says he's the best player that I've ever seen. I've never seen anybody do that. And I get it. And I think Draymond's a phenomenal player. Do I think he's the defender of Akeem? I don't.

1:04:10Chad Johnson:Akeem was a bad boy, boy.

1:04:12Shannon Sharpe:And you're right. Scottie Pippen, you know, could really – I mean, Scottie could sit in the chair. I mean, he wasn't guarding no fives because back then the fives were true fives. That's what I was saying. He wasn't guarding no Elijah Wan. I mean, he might take it for a possession. He messing around and getting on the pick or something. Yeah. Get switched off on him. But dealing with David Robinson or Patrick Ewing or Keane. Yeah. Nah. Them was true back-to-the-basket bigs. They were true bigs.

1:04:38Chad Johnson:Yeah.

1:04:40Shannon Sharpe:Hey, they were not finna bail you out by taking a 20-footer.

1:04:45Chad Johnson:Yeah, I know.

1:04:45Shannon Sharpe:They were gonna walk your ass down to the basket, drop step, and you're gonna foul them or they're gonna dunk on your ass.

1:04:51Chad Johnson:Put your elbows up in your neck and your chest.

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