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13:48Joe Johnson:Oh, okay. That Canelo fight. I've seen it. Not knowing which way it would go. You understand how good Crawford is. You understand how good Canelo's been.

13:56Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, yeah.

13:56Joe Johnson:So it was kind of hard to predict because you don't know what's going to happen. That way, I mean, you fighting the line. Going up that high?

14:03Shannon Sharpe:Yes, you fighting the line in his den. Boy, he had an answer for everything. Everything Canelo threw, he had an answer for. Everything. But you know, you heard him say he studied him, though. Yeah. He did his homework. Hold on.

14:16Joe Johnson:You know everything they meant? You've been studying them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For a minute. Man, it was like, I was like, man, I was on the edge of my seat.

14:23Shannon Sharpe:I said, bud, you got this thing. The last two rounds, just, hey, don't get dropped. That's it. I don't know what the judges saw. That round they gave him? Yeah. I don't know what they were looking at. Yeah, bud, real student of the game, man. Real student of love and passion. That's why he's saying it for so long here. You got him talking about something that he really enjoyed. He couldn't stop, bro. That's how it goes. And the thing is, man, Bud was a wrestle. Wrestled in school. Oh, yeah.

14:49Joe Johnson:Oh, Joe, you have a chance here. I wrestled too, Joe. I wrestled too. Matter of fact, his son just won state not long ago. Yeah.

14:55Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. But Bud is different. Bud is like, Bud got a side of him that flipped.

15:07Shannon Sharpe:But he'll cool. I mean, yes, he loved talking about boxing. But just to get him away and to talk about other things, He loves sports in general. He loves sports. He loves talking about sports. He loves, man, he was, man, it was great to have him on talking. We're going to have Zab Super Judah coming to the stage shortly. And then we're going to finish up with Max Kellerman. You better hurry up. I still have my work. I ain't done. I got to go tape Club She-She today at 5. Oh, you ain't do it yet? I ain't do it yet. At 5 today. So I got to go home, change, change shirts. I ain't changing pants.

15:44Shannon Sharpe:We'll get back down here You wanna gamble tonight Joe? Yeah man I'm with y 'all Let me in my line

15:49Joe Johnson:I'ma go Just tell me how much to take out A lot Let me know before the bank close now Five Five thousand? Yep Baby I need to take out five thousand To gamble with them I don't know what the fuck I'm gonna be doing Gambody we gambling tonight Us They gonna show me how Yeah Hey what boy that he left?

16:12Shannon Sharpe:Man steady looking for Bud. Yeah, I think Bud. Oh, he might be over there. No, he might be over there. All the smoke over there. All the smoke, yeah. I think he over there. What's that?

16:28Joe Johnson:How much that is? That's not real? That's yours? Let me see it. Let me hold it real quick.

16:36Shannon Sharpe:You want that, Ash? Do it what? A chat? Guess what? She'll give it back. She don't know how to stop. She can't stop. She won't stop until they give it all back.

16:49Joe Johnson:Hey, Chad, you see how much I won last night? Huh?

16:59Joe Johnson:Hey, money bag, yo. Y 'all don't want to see me. Keep it locked. Don't worry about it.

17:05Shannon Sharpe:They'll have it back. You won't stop. Don't have to do no money spread like me, bro. That's how they know. Once you hit them, you got to come back, especially. Because you think you'll lick them again. There you go. You're going to lose all that answer. 2 ,000, 3 ,000, 3 ,000, 4 ,000, 5 ,000, 9 ,000, 11 ,000, 12 ,000.

17:30Joe Johnson:That's how you roll, huh? Hey, we might need to go back to Area 29 with this. Huh? Yeah, a little bit, buddy. That's all it takes. That's going to go in 10 minutes. Hey, listen, this somebody renting that. Yeah.

17:44Shannon Sharpe:I don't know who. Who? For$1 ,000. I don't know what you're living in for$1 ,000. They ain't paying no rent. Man, hello. Hello. They ain't paying no rent today. And I'm excited to see this fight tomorrow, see what's really going on. Can't wait, boy. Everybody done talked to a great game. Now it's time to put up and shut up. Ain't no more talking. Talking over with. You hear me? Hey, hey. Hey, I'm sweating. Everybody may wait. Ryan was 145 and a half. Ryan said he's knocking him out, ain't he? That's what he said. Wait, baby.

18:16Joe Johnson:All right. Shit, you let him something? I'm just trying to see how you know how to count fast. I used to be in a little competition back in high school. Who can count? Watch this. Watch how fast.

18:28Shannon Sharpe:A lot happened to him in high school. Amen.

18:34Joe Johnson:1 ,300? Joe, you know how to count fast?

18:38Shannon Sharpe:Nah. No. Yeah, you know A. I want you to talk to me slow so I know don't talk to me fast. Don't count fast. Yeah, slow it down.

18:53Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. You got to peel them off though, Cho.

18:56Joe Johnson:Huh? Oh, yeah, I know. I just didn't want to lick my finger. I don't know where the money been.

19:01Shannon Sharpe:Well, it's going to be back in that thing if you ain't careful. Who we got?

19:07Joe Johnson:He know it.

19:11Joe Johnson:Nah, he working right now. I don't want to be rude.

19:16Shannon Sharpe:I'm excited for the fight. I'm excited to see some of the fights that they talking about. The undercard. Some of the guys that came on here?

19:22Joe Johnson:I want to see the Nigerian dude. I didn't even realize I used to train with him. I didn't even know that with him.

19:28Shannon Sharpe:That's crazy. I want to see, what you call him? What? I want to see, no, I want to see some of these fights that everybody talked about happening. Like my man here talking about T-Shaw. Yeah, hands.

19:38Joe Johnson:That's a good one.

19:39Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, that's what I want to see.

19:41Joe Johnson:You know the Nigerian dude, the tall one? Yeah. You know who his trainer is? Pedro, Miguel Cotto trainer. Really? Fort Floyd, yeah.

19:48Shannon Sharpe:I didn't know that. I was training with Pedro too. Hold on, but who he fighting on? The Nigerian dude, the big... He fighting somebody that got some power. Some heavyweight. Yeah. He definitely looked the part, don't he? Yeah, he did. That's a big boy, man. I want to see something. Yeah, he, I mean, he what, 6 '5", 6 '6"? Yeah. Big boy. He's a big dude. We got, who here?

20:18Shannon Sharpe:I need to hurry up and come. So, did Bud go over there? He did? Yeah.

20:28Shannon Sharpe:I'm trying to think of the fights that we can get. I mean, most of the fights, Ochoa, is that 40 and 47? Yeah. Tank, Lamar Roach.

20:41Joe Johnson:Tank, was that 140 or 147?

20:43Shannon Sharpe:40.

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23:47Shannon Sharpe:Nikola Jokic has had enough of fans approaching him in public and wants to be left alone. I'm getting more and more bothered by popularity. This is going to sound corny, but I'm getting ruder to people who approach me. Honestly, it's tiring. Some people around me know I don't take pictures because it's my time. I sound rude again, but I can do it. But what can I do? If people can't understand me, I understand everything. But it's been 11, 12 years, and enough is enough. Amen. Some guys don't want to have to deal with all that, Uncle Ocho. He's not America. And that's what it is? Hey. That's what it is.

24:20Joe Johnson:If I see him in Denver, he going to give me a picture. I don't care. I'm going to bother you. I never have an opportunity to meet you. I never have a chance to see you again. But give me a picture. All that being rude. It comes with the territory. It's a part of your job. And I'm going to be nice, too. How you doing, Mr. Yoke?

24:36Shannon Sharpe:You come out better getting into the locker room. Oh. You probably going to see him on the street.

24:41Joe Johnson:Nah. Not him. And I like horses, too. So there's certain things we could bond on with you being rude,

24:46Shannon Sharpe:and I know about horses, too. But, you know, that's the thing. That's the difference between, you know, a lot of sometimes European or foreigners and American athletes. Americans, we think you're obligated. You heard what Ochoa said? It's a part of your job. They feel an obligation that you take time out of your schedule and be your busy day. Right. When you don't want to be bothered, you don't want to be bothered. Absolutely. Somebody else don't want to be bothered. Oh, he rude. Yoke said, I'm being rude and rude, and I don't care. That's how you got to go, bro. sometimes you got to be a little selfish with your time.

25:18Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. You know, you get, hey, hey. Because Jokic, he's more like a megastar, Uncle Ocho. He can't go nowhere, bro. Think about it. So anywhere he go and somebody see him, it don't matter, bro. They going to want to pitch us. They going to want to take, first of all, he stand out. Bro, he's seven foot tall. He's seven foot? Yeah. Yeah, he's seven foot tall. So it ain't like he can go somewhere and hide and people not know who he is. People going to like, man, he got to play basketball. Yeah. even if you don't follow the sport, you got like somebody seven foot tall, you automatically assume. Even if he doesn't play basketball, you automatically assume that he does.

25:51Shannon Sharpe:And so, you know, he's probably with his family. You know, I think he got two little girls now. You got a wife. And bro, when he out in public, he's like, this is my time with the family. I don't get a whole lot of time with my family because I'm playing games. I'm training. I'm trying to be the best player I could possibly be. And when he's out with his family, he just wants to be left alone. And I get it. I totally get it. And that's seven foot. It don't matter if they know you play ball or not. They going to want a picture, bro. Trust me. You know, that's just the way it is. And then people are like, well, who is that?

26:21Shannon Sharpe:I don't know who it is, but I took a picture with him. And it only take one person. That's it. And everybody else, ten other people, they ain't got to know who you are. Yeah, yeah. Who are you? Let me take a picture. Can I get one, too? Thank you. What'd they say? It ain't nobody but me. As soon as I take a picture, everybody else. Right, right, right. You feed one bird. Yeah. Oh, they all come. He got some. Yeah. Yeah. It flocked right down to you. Exactly how it go, bro. But I definitely can understand what Jokic is talking about. Because sometimes, you know, sometimes you're not always in the best mood.

26:52Shannon Sharpe:You're not. You're not always in the best mood, man. Sometimes I feel like I ain't a good guy. Just like, you know what, let me go ahead and stay my black asshole. And when people talk about being celebrities, that's the overrated thing. Because it's hard to be normal when you get to a certain point. Bro, you can't go to the grocery store. You can't go to these different retail places You know what I mean? Yes Without being bothered They're just gonna come with it Well y 'all better get ready Huh?

27:17Joe Johnson:Cause that gonna be us You think y 'all You think y 'all too famous now? Give me another What? Give me another six months Six months? What? What? We gonna need security We wouldn't even be able to walk through this hotel, boy

27:31Shannon Sharpe:I mean Well we walked out I walked out the back way I didn't go through the main

27:34Joe Johnson:Okay, my bad

27:34Shannon Sharpe:I didn't go through the main entrance anyway

27:36Joe Johnson:Yeah, Joe It's gonna be crazy in a minute, boy

27:39Shannon Sharpe:We got Zab coming to the

27:46Yep

27:50Joe Johnson:We're going to ask Zab I'm going to ask Zab What do you think about this fight man

27:53Shannon Sharpe:Yeah

27:53Joe Johnson:Go ahead You can start it off then Yeah I'm going to start that thing off

27:56Shannon Sharpe:I'll introduce him And then you start it off

28:03Shannon Sharpe:What it's going to be Da da da da da da da da da I hope we get a good fight The last thing The last thing I want to see have happen is that this build up and everybody talking about this fight and they come out there, it'd be a dud. Yeah. Yeah, that's the worst.

28:15Joe Johnson:I know one thing.

28:16Shannon Sharpe:What?

28:17Joe Johnson:If Conor come out there and is aggressive off jump because Ryan can't fight in the pocket. Once he smother him and making him uncomfortable and do all that turning, boy, it's going to be a long night. Come on, come on. You good? You good? Got Zab Super Judah joining us.

28:32Shannon Sharpe:What's up, bro? You good?

28:34Joe Johnson:What's good? What's good? What's good? What's up, bro? What's up, bro? Yeah.

28:37Shannon Sharpe:Go ahead, Ocho.

28:39Joe Johnson:Listen, you've always been a student of the game, man. Very sharp. Very good at what you do. The sweet sides in general. Garcia Ben. How you see it playing out? Based on, you know, skills. I mean, styles always makes fights. Based on the styles of these two fighters, I want to hear your honest opinion on who you got. I think matchup-wise, it's good. You know, at first, when Conor put those pitches out of the weight ran, I was like, ooh. I was kind of worried. You know what I'm saying? But then seeing him yesterday, he looked very energetic, very full, very healthy. So I said, you know, maybe those are AI pitches or something like that.

29:13You know, that was like a psychological mental game right there. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, if he did that for a psychological mental game, that was very smart on him. Right. You know what I'm saying? But I think that when I come into the fight, I got a chance to see Conor in L.A. training. You know, he's faster than what I thought he was. Right. You know what I'm saying? He's a very big guy, a very big young kid. I just think that if he can put together some good punches and keep coming forward, he might be successful. And then on the other hand, I think Conor Benn, he's not a guy that I think that's coming to the fight to get knocked out.

29:53He's coming to bring it. I believe that for him to be successful, he got to make it dirty. You know what I'm saying? You got to be in the chest. You got to make it uncomfortable for Garcia You can't just give him a regular clean fight And allow him to move around And just throw the hook and move and jab Nope, you got to be in his chest Push him around, throw him around You know what I'm saying?

30:16Shannon Sharpe:Make it an ugly fight Wow What you call me said that Ocho was just talking about that That Ryan doesn't like to fight in the pocket He needs distance He won't separation Like you said, get that hook off And a lot of times when you look at Roley Roley neutralized the hook and then landed his shot. Is Conor patient enough? Because the thing that if you go back and look at with Roley, when Roley dropped him, Roley was patient. And I think that's what hurt Roley in the last fight against Teofimo. He was too patient. He got aggressive one round, round five, won that round decisively, and then he went back to being patient, and then Teofimo picked him off.

30:53Shannon Sharpe:So is he going to be patient in this situation? Because Ryan is looking to let his hands go. We know that. But Ryan is also looking to counter. So is Conor going to be patient enough to combat Ryan's style? I think being patient in this fight is the wrong fight. You got to be aggressive. You got to be aggressive. You got to take it to him. You got to make Ryan do things that he does not want to do. Make him throw punches that he does not want to do. Make him use them back of them quads. Make him go backwards. You know what I'm saying? Like, we all know, my athletes, that's no joke. You know what I mean?

31:30That ties the legs down quick. You know what I mean? So you can't allow him to come forward, throw that hook, get his one-two-threes off. You know what I'm saying? Move running ring. You can't. You can't. That'll make a bad night for Conor Ben.

31:42Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. What's up? With all you've accomplished in the sport of boxing, what's next for you, bro? What you doing now? You still training, working out? What's up? Oh, I mean, listen, working out is a lifestyle. It's lifestyle for me from the age of six years old to the age of 41. That was my duration of amateur and professional career. I never done nothing else. I never played no other sports. I never had a job, anything. You know what I mean? So I think now when we be 49 years old, it's embedded into me. You know what I'm saying? I have to work out for therapy. You know what I'm saying? It's therapy.

32:17That's what I say, bro. It's for mental. You know what I mean? And I got to keep going. Am I going to compete again? No. Right. No. But just being in that type of shape, mentally preparing yourself, yeah, I get it. I enjoy this side of the game way, way, way, way better. I've seen your son. Your son boxed? Yeah, yeah, yeah. How old is he? I'm 17. 17? Okay. And then I got two twin boys. They are cornerbacks. Cornerbacks, yeah. They're going to play football. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 11. Oh, they can get this work? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, in their box. In their box. Yeah. Just laugh. And you raise the soldiers over there, aren't you?

32:52I got soldiers over there. You know what? I got a pop on a football team in California. SFV Chargers. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I'm out there with Deshaun Golsan and Reggie Bush as my coaches. Yeah. So we out there having a good time. Actually, they play tomorrow, but I'm going to be here.

33:07Shannon Sharpe:I know they're going to be successful. Yeah. You recently spoke about the fight. You re-watched the fight with Floyd Mayweather. And you said Roger coming up on the apron. You said that should have been a DQ. Automatic. Tomorrow night, if Conor Ben died, gets up on the ring, during the fight of the action, they're going to automatically disqualify him for getting up there. And this fight, why it was overlooked or not frowned upon, you know, it beats me. You know what I mean? Have you thought, so was that your first time? So have you thought about, like, how different that would have been? Because I don't think anybody wanted Floyd.

33:46Shannon Sharpe:I don't think you really wanted Floyd to get DQ. you're just saying that's the rules of the, that's just the rules of boxing. If your corner steps up on the ring during the action, that's a DQ. But then, what about the knockdown? They overlooked that too. Right. They overlooked the guy coming in the ring. It was a lot of things that was overlooked that night that could have made a difference in the decision of the fight. Right. So my whole thing was, and then right after the fight, they accused me of inciting a riot. I was suspended for one year. That's why we never seen a rematch. Right. They got me out the way.

34:18ASAP, you know what I'm saying? And then Floyd went ahead and did his career, and then by the time I came back after the year, they already told me he had a full schedule and plans of doing other things. So I was never, you know what I'm saying, giving my rematch, you know what I mean? So that's probably why, you know, and we spoke about this, probably why, you know, I was a little bitter, a little salty when I seen Floyd in different places. I would look at him like, you know what I'm saying? Like one night we was in the club, and he sent me some champagne over to the table. I said, I send it back.

34:49I said, don't send me champagne. Send me a contract with your name on it. And he looked at me like, what the hell's wrong with you? You know what I mean? But, you know, that was the competitiveness in myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know.

35:03Shannon Sharpe:You really wanted that rematch, huh? As a warrior, 100%. You know what I'm saying? I was faster than him. You was faster than Floyd? Yeah. You got to go back and watch it, huh? You got to go back and watch it. Now, it was a hell of a fight. The bird and ride you was getting to use a hell of a fight. Yeah, yeah. I mean, listen, I have a lot of respect for him. He's a hell of a fighter. He has, you know, he earned his name. You know what I'm saying? As TBE, you know what I'm saying? He has radar defense mechanisms in his head because I ain't slow. And I was trying to get him out of there. I mean, he was a fraction of an inch.

35:38He was, you know what I mean?

35:39Shannon Sharpe:So I was like, yeah, yeah. What makes him so skilled? because we saw, I know you remember Sweet Pete Whitaker. Sweet Pete Whitaker had, I mean, that head moving like that, but not like Floyd. And Floyd had power also. But Floyd could pick something up and bam, right back at you. Ah. Yeah. Right. Ah. Right. How was, I mean, we've never seen anybody's, I don't know if we've seen anybody's before or since. Sweet Pete might have been the closest thing that we've seen, but Floyd took it to a whole new level. Well, he was taught that style from day one. He's never learned any other style Coming from Raja and his father That's the style that they had And they gave it to him Pernell Whitaker was a different type of animal Pernell was my coach Actually when I won my last world title He was my professional debut I was the co-man event on his card So Sweet Peep was my guy He had defense like no other I was boxing with him since 16 years old So Pernell was a totally different animal You know what I'm saying?

36:42I mean, not taking anything away from Floyd, but he wasn't moving like how Pernell was. I mean, like I said, they both was great. It was just two different times. Yeah, Sweet Pea was moving his whole body. Yeah, yeah, Pernell. Yeah, yeah, Pernell. Yeah, yeah. And Floyd worked on more offense than, you know what I'm saying, with the defense. Pernell was just, he wanted to show you out. He wanted to make you look dumb and stupid. Yeah, yeah.

37:05Shannon Sharpe:I watched the highlight the other day of him fighting De La Hoya. Yeah. And De La Hoya was swigging, and he was like, oh, my God. Yeah, yeah. Oh, shit. He made it with about 16 punches, right? Y 'all heard? Yeah, that was crazy.

37:19Joe Johnson:That was unbelievable. Did you ever get an opportunity to see Emmanuel Gustavs fight in person? Ever? So I used to spar with Emmanuel Gustavs in Florida. Yeah, yo, I'll tell you a funny story. That's my favorite fighter. Based on the entertainment aspect he brings to the ring. Man, listen to me. We hired him. He came to camp. I don't know, we was fighting some particular fighter, and we hired him. He came to the camp. We got into a real fight the first day, real fight. I know it's hard for boxing to get into a real fight in the ring, right? It just sounds crazy. But what happened was when I would jab, he would grab it like this and pull me to him, and it hit me.

37:59So I've never seen this before. I never felt this. I've never seen this. And I was like, you can't do that. You know what I'm saying? Wait, first of all, what are you doing? Because, you know, you don't really understand it. You're just getting hit. And I'm like, what the hell is he doing? I just felt my arm getting jerked, and then he cracking me. Anyway, I told him to calm down. He couldn't do it. He kept doing it, and then we got into a rut. You know, I was wild back then. I kind of scooped him up and slammed him and got him touched on the ground. But Emmanuel Gussi, I have a lot of respect for him.

38:32He was a hell of a firefighter with his own style. Now, I don't think that, and that's crazy you say that was your favorite fighter. I don't think he was giving enough credit for who he was. You know what I'm saying? I mean, he was the first guy to go in there with Floyd and draw blood from Floyd. Nobody's ever seen Floyd bleed in fights. A man who would bust him up. You know what I'm saying? So, you know what I mean? Got to give him a lot of credit.

38:58Shannon Sharpe:Zab, why don't we see the fights that we, you remember back in the 80s, you saw Duran and Hagler. You saw Duran and Sugar Ray. You saw Sugar Ray and Hagler. You saw Sugar Ray and Hearns. You saw these fights. In the 70s, the heavyweights fought everybody. You wasn't ducking nobody. Heavyweights, Ali had to fight Foreman and Frazier. Frazier had to fight Holmes and had to fight this guy, had to fight that guy. Why can't we get the fights that we want to see now? So, you know, somebody asked me, and I told them, I said, I think it's because of the money. It's because of the money. In today's world, your undefeated record is like an 800 credit score.

39:38Wow. Which allows you to cash in on the big money. So the longer you keep the 800 credit score, you can go to any bank, show them your credit score, and you're going to get that money. Yeah, you're going to get that loan. You know what I'm saying? So guys are afraid to tangle with certain fighters because they go, I don't know, I might get the L and then it's game over. The 800, now it's the 700. Right, right. And I can't get that same credit loan no more. Right. You know what I'm saying? I mean, we didn't have guys back in the days making$40 million,$25 million. No. $150 million,$200 million like Canelo and Budden.

40:09You know what I'm saying? I mean, they didn't have guys doing that. Tyson, in my era, was the biggest guy. He's making$30 million,$30 million a fight. That was astronomical back then. You know what I'm saying? We looked at like$30 million. What the hell?

40:23Shannon Sharpe:We think about it. When was the last time Canelo fought for$30 million? He don't fought for nothing but$40,$50,$100. If you mention 30 million to Canelo, he going to let you know what? Call me back. In fact, don't call me back. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. 100%. That just goes to show you. Yeah, because I'll be like, man, and everybody be talking, I want to fight this guy, I want to fight this guy, and then when it comes down to it, the fight falls through. Or now they put all these terms where we got to have a rehydration clause or I want to go up, you know, you got to come down to me. Bro, somebody 154, they're not coming down to 140.

40:56Shannon Sharpe:They're not coming down, yeah, yeah. I think that was the deciding factor with the Haney and Shakur fight. Yeah. You know, they wanted to come down to 44 when Devin was 47. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, it was just, you know, Devin's like, okay, well, why should I go to 44 and sacrifice myself of losing weight and going out and fighting you? And then Shakur, like, well, you did it before with another guy, so why not do it with me? You know what I'm saying? So I understand both sides, but I think that that's the greatest fight in my book that never happens. You don't think it's going to happen?

41:28That's the greatest fight in my book that never happens. Hold on. Why? Because of negotiations. Oh, okay.

41:35Joe Johnson:Who's A-side? There you go. There you go. And that's what's going to come down. That's what's going to come down because you got Bill Haney on one side as the manager, and you got Jay Prince on the other side of the other manager. You got two moguls that are like B-side. Both of those guys know nothing about B. Nothing. You know what I mean? so they like take the B side no no no we're never gonna do that it's gotta be A-A all the way and we know in boxing it can't be two A side because

42:04Shannon Sharpe:somebody go wait I ain't walking out first right but man we would pay to see that though yeah we would that'd be a mega fight yeah people would pay to see that we might see the first fight where both fighters walk out the same time exactly that's the only way and then one guy gonna wanna make two dollars more than the next fight Because you're not making the same money as I'm making. Nope, nope, yeah. But that's the greatest fight that never happens to me. You think it'll happen, though? No. At some point? Never? No, I don't know. Maybe later when they get older. Right. Then they're going to be the same.

42:40Yeah, they're going to be the same. You know what it's going to be like?

42:42Shannon Sharpe:It's going to be like Pacquiao and Mayweather. Pacquiao and Mayweather. Yeah, it happened, but we know we wanted that fight five years, six years sooner. Earlier, yeah. Yes. And I hate that. you're in your prime both of these guys are in their prime right now this is when they should be this is when they should be locking horns right right yeah what's another fight you'd like to see um I'd like to see um Hitchison and Keyshawn he's talking about that that's what he did yeah Hitchison and Keyshawn I think that'd be a good fight because Hitchison is a hell of a fine boxer clean fundamentals are sharp and Keyshawn is an excellent counter puncher yeah You know what I'm saying?

43:23But you got to remember, is Hitchison going to be there for him to counterpunch? Right. And then Hitchison is not going to oppose a big enough threat to stand in long enough for Keyshawn to, you know what I'm saying, get on his shit. You know what I mean? So that's, you know what I mean? That's an excellent fight right there.

43:38Joe Johnson:As soon as he mentioned that, I said, boy, that's going to be one hell of a chess match.

43:40Shannon Sharpe:Hell of a chess match. Oh, man. Man. We had Bud on here for a little while. You think Bud comes back? Is there a fighter out there that can get Bud Crawford to come out of retirement? You know what? I was just asking him that. And from the way he explained it, I don't think it is. But I like the way he keeps all these boys on edge. Like mention my name and I'm coming back. You know what I'm saying? He got everybody on edge. Say it again. It's the difference between trying to talk to your friends over the music at a bar and having dinner where you can actually hear each other. Between getting food delivered and cooking something you know she's going to love.

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46:43It starts on the road. Before heading to the game in Eugene, take a moment to enjoy the journey and explore Tualatin Valley, located just west of Portland and north of Eugene. Sip world-class Pinot Noir, soak in picturesque views, and craft a game day trip you'll talk about all season. Take the scenic route to Tualatin Valley and make every mile part of the game. Learn more at etvor.com slash fans. Back, you know what I mean? I don't know, man. Listen, in boxing, your pockets tell you when you come back to boxing. Right now, his pockets are good. You know what I'm saying? His pockets are good.

47:25Shannon Sharpe:They overflowing with that Candelo, bud.

47:28Joe Johnson:Think about this. Bud is in a position. He's retired. He's retired on top, right? Every boxer has been able to retire on top. And every last one of them, money has been able to get them to come out of retirement. Right, right. Every time. And I'm sure at some point, I don't know when, I think Bud is coming back. I mean, listen, man, they put a three with a bunch of O's behind it. I can't see him saying no to that. That's what I'm saying. I can't see him saying no to that. I said 150.

47:57Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, that's the best if you want three, yeah.

47:59Joe Johnson:Yeah.

47:59Shannon Sharpe:But let me ask you a quick, but what does, because seemingly the only fight that's appealing to him is probably the boots fight. So does boots come up to 68? Bud ain't coming down to 54. If you're 300, I'm going to 54.

48:19Shannon Sharpe:I'm going down. Man, Bud down to 54 gonna look like a smoker.

48:26Shannon Sharpe:I'm going down, man. I mean, do I think 60? I think we flick the difference. Yeah, 60. Because Boots fight at 54 Go to 60 Boots just fought at 68 But then there's a disadvantage for Boots Because he's never been comfortable At 160 pounds See, I remember that Even when you're going to Most fighters that fight at 160 They're coming down from 180 They're coming down Just to make that weight And then they're going back up When you're just coming up to the 160 marker And that's what you're carrying Fighting a bigger guy I mean, that's risky as well. Is Bud that much bigger than Boots? Bud probably walking around like 170, 175.

49:14But he's staying in good shape, though. He does. And he's solid. He's compact. Yes. He's solid and compact. Yeah, yeah. I've been knowing him for a long time. I've never seen him out of shape.

49:24Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Never seen him out of shape. That's what I was telling him. I saw him. I interviewed him about a year ago before he fought. Probably about five months before he fought. Canelo. and he hadn't even started camp, but you could tell he was like, yeah. He stayed within striking distance. It don't really take him to full training camp to get to where he needs to be because he's really close. He watches what he eats. He trains. He does the stuff that he needs to do in order to stay within striking distance. Because, you know, like you said, guys that come to 168, a guy that's 168, he walking around at 190.

50:00Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Easy. Easy. Canelo walking around. Easy. Canelo got that Mexican blood in, so you know, their diet. Canelo walk around 190, 195, easy. Yes, easy, easy. And he comes down to that weight class. I used to watch Fernando Vargas in training camp the same way. He used to walk around big, and he'd come down to 147. I used to be like, how the hell did you just do that? Yeah, he used to drop 30, 40 pounds. That was amazing to me. Arturo Gatti, another one, same way. He used to come down. To 40? No, 130. Oh, 130? Yeah, Gotti, yeah. Gotti used to come out at 130. When he fight Florida, he fought Florida at 40, right?

50:38Shannon Sharpe:He fought Florida at 40, yeah. Yeah, he fought Florida at 40. I remember that fight in Atlantic City, man. Florida was just... But you know what? We got to say, Gotti wasn't Gotti that we knew. No, yeah. Too many wars with Mickey Ward. Too many wars. Yeah. Too many wars. Too many wars. Yeah. You can't... That style ain't conducive for a long... Yeah, that style ain't. For a long career. You fight like that? I fought Mickey Ward in 98, and that body shot, sometimes I wake up and I still remember it. I still feel it. Mick Ward's a tough guy, man. Tough guy. Zab, appreciate you, man.

51:12Joe Johnson:All the best, man. Stay up, bro. Appreciate you. Zab, appreciate you, baby. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

51:17Shannon Sharpe:Yes, sir. Yeah, appreciate you, bro.

51:25Joe Johnson:Max, let's fucking talk boxing, baby.

51:30Shannon Sharpe:Zab, Super Judo. We want to thank Zab, Super Judo, for joining us, man. Man, that was awesome, unbelievable. We got Max. Max Kellerman joining us here.

51:39Joe Johnson:Got to tell Max, get me on the broadcast with him, man. Let me call the fight.

51:47Shannon Sharpe:So we can join. He's over there talking to Zab right now.

52:00Joe Johnson:You called Kennedy? What she want?

52:03Shannon Sharpe:You want what?

52:05Joe Johnson:What Kennedy want?

52:13Joe Johnson:School been in two weeks. Now my daughter want a new backpack.

52:19Joe Johnson:I'm trying to figure out why my phone ring in. You want a new backpack? School just started. We got you one.

52:27Shannon Sharpe:That ain't the same.

52:34Shannon Sharpe:Max cut into our time. We ain't going to have much time. Joe, you want some of it? Huh? He got something to do. Nah, I'm good. Thank you, though. Wyatt, you want some of it? Come on, man. What's wrong with him? I appreciate the gesture.

52:55Shannon Sharpe:Don't make the... Max, what's up, baby? You good? Max. What's up, bro? How you doing? All right.

53:03Shannon Sharpe:Let's go ahead. Let's start with this fight. Yeah, what's up? Ryan, Conor. Yep. What you thinking? I mean, you know, I'm so conditioned.

53:13Max Kellerman:In the old days on HBO, they didn't want you to ever pick the fight. Right, yeah. Especially if you're calling the fight. Right. Conor is the underdog for a reason. Okay. Ryan was a—you know, like, it's funny. As you get older, you realize if you want to know who the best fighters in the world are, look at their amateur records. It almost always works this way. Right. If you were dominant internationally, dominant internationally, gold medals and stuff, you're Andre Ward, you're Floyd Mayweather, who got a bronze but should have had a gold, you're Pernell Whitaker, you're Roy Jones, you're the top of the top.

53:45Max Kellerman:Yes. One level below that is you dominated nationals and you competed internationally. Right. You might win a belt. You might, you know, be even a real champion in a division. Okay. One level below that is you dominated local golden gloves in a real place like New York or L.A. in terms of the competition. Right. but you, you know, only, you, maybe you're a contender, maybe you could grab a belt for a second, right? Ryan Garcia was beating all the guys in the juniors, but turned pro before he really tested himself against the top amateurs, but he was like that. He beats, he has a lot of names on his resume that are dominant fighters now when they were kids, right?

54:24Max Kellerman:That's not Conor Ben. Right. Conor Ben's done it through, like, when he's had the opportunity, willpower and toughness. Right. So that's still, so Ryan's like a two and a half to one favorite for that reason. Right.

54:36Shannon Sharpe:Because he mentioned that he didn't start boxing until he was 16, 17 kind of being. Right. Until he found out who his dad was, he'd be like, it's in me to fight.

54:44Max Kellerman:And it is in him. He's a

54:45Shannon Sharpe:tough guy. Yes.

54:46Max Kellerman:But you know, like, Ryan's got special kind of talent. And you know, like, great players know twitchies. Yes. If you saw this dude run right away, you know, okay, he's a different kind of twitchy athlete, right? Yes. Ryan's got those kind of twitchies.

55:01Joe Johnson:But then think about this, Max. You always know styles make fights. So you understand, I mean, Ryan has that special twitch. He has his quickness. He has that left hook. He has that jab. What happens when someone nullifies that jab? What happens if Conor Benn comes in and he's aggressive and makes Ryan comfortable? Ryan is not comfortable fighting inside the pocket. He's not comfortable fighting on his back foot. What happens then? Do you have an answer for that?

55:25Max Kellerman:I would say that if Conor, I don't even think it's the jab. Yes, the jab, technically there are different things. But the real danger is, and Ryan knocked Barrios down with the right hand. Yes. But the real danger is Ryan's left hook. That's the decapitator, right? Yes, yeah. So, like, you know, boxing is rock, paper, scissors. Muhammad Ali is the boxer. Yes. He's bad for George Foreman. Foreman, one at a time. Big shots, right? Yeah. Ali makes a miss, boom, boom. But Frazier is bad for Ali, high volume. Yeah. So Ali makes a miss, miss, miss. Frazier's like, that's nothing. Come on, let's go. I got five, ten more coming your way, right?

55:58Max Kellerman:Yeah, yeah. But Foreman is bad for Frazier because to get inside, you've got to get through the danger zone of that power. Right? Yeah. So the question is, is this Frazier-Foreman where Conor's got to get inside the danger zone of the power, and on his way in, Ryan catches him and hurts him? Or is it a situation where if you take away some of Ryan's offensive weapons and he gets inside, is Conor more like the pressure fighter against the boxer? Right. And now he starts to overwhelm him on the inside. Yeah. Right? I mean, two and a half to one, then on his way in, he gets caught. But it ain't five to one or ten to one, and the odds are shrinking because people recognize that Conor's got that dog in him.

56:39Max Kellerman:And he's even been calling Ryan out. Like, you know, we don't know that about you. He's saying we know it about you, and it's not there. But I think it's fair to say we don't know it about him yet.

56:52Shannon Sharpe:Right, right. What's preventing boxing from consistently making these big fights?

57:00Max Kellerman:here's the galaxy brain answer, okay? All right. If I were to say, hey, you know what they should do in football? There's a million football leagues. I'm talking about Roger Goodell. Hey, you know what they should do in basketball? There are a billion basketball leagues. I'm talking about Adam Silver. Hey, you know what they should do in boxing? Who are we talking about? There's no they there. There's no they, right? So there's no one looking out for the long-term interest. So let me give you an example. once upon a time, baseball didn't have a commissioner. And now, Kennesaw Mountain Land is racist and kept it segregated and all that, but I'm making a different point about it.

57:39Max Kellerman:After what they called the Black Sox scandal, because if it's black, it has to be bad. You understand how it works. Of course. So they fixed the World Series. They were like, okay, we need a commissioner. Now, I'm quite sure there were alcohol sponsors, right? Like companies who came to different owners like, yeah, we want to give you 20 grand to put that on the outfield wall. Right. Now, Commissioner Landis could sit there and go, yeah, that's good for you in the short term. Right. But we want mothers wanting their kids to come to the ballpark. That's bad for us. There is no they there in boxing.

58:10Max Kellerman:Okay. So everyone's reaching for all the money they can get as fast as they can get it. Right, right, right. And that's the kind of big answer of why the fights don't get made. Right, right. Why don't— Everyone's got to get paid.

58:23Shannon Sharpe:Max, being the boxing aficionado you are, you remember in the 70s, every heavyweight fought every other heavyweight. In the 80s, Sugar Ray, Hagler, Hearns, Barkley, Duran, nobody ducked nobody.

58:36Max Kellerman:Well, so first of all, when Don King and Bob Arum were running things, you ran into some of the same problems you get now. which is there is, so why am I going to risk my guy against your guy unless there's really enough money in it? Right. Okay. But the name recognition was so high, right? We understand the world through storytelling, right? Why do people, besides the fact that you guys are good on TV, right? Right. Why do people care about you before you were ever on TV? Because they understood your character from the TV show you were on called the NFL. Right. Right? And so they were interested in you.

59:12Max Kellerman:there was there was like you had name recognition so in boxing when they knew the characters look boxing beats everything i tell people all the time i do this famous thought experiment i'll say like what's your favorite what's your favorite sport football no it's not it's boxing and i'll prove it to you in 30 seconds yeah you come to a street corner flag football game stick ball hoops a fist fight what are you watching the fist fight everybody gonna turn to watch

59:41Shannon Sharpe:Right.

59:42Max Kellerman:So boxing is just better.

59:43Shannon Sharpe:Right.

59:43Max Kellerman:Because everything's a metaphor for something else. If you can't tackle Chad, it's because he's metaphorically imposed his will on you by juking you and then get it right. OK. Boxing. It's like tennis. Take away the ball. Lennox Lewis hits Mike with a right hand. Mike Tyson goes down. His brain tells his legs, get up. Can't do it. He separated him from his own will. Right. He's more compelling. So now let's redo the thought experiment. Why isn't boxing more popular? redo it MJ and LeBron are playing one-on-one over here over here Barry Bonds is hitting off of Roger Clemens over here you know like you get it right and then over here it's just two nobody's having a fist fight now boxing is so bad that people are still sometimes watching the fight but now it's different if you don't know the characters so in the 70s Muhammad Ali is the most famous man in the world yeah not just athlete he's the most famous man in the world yeah right That's worth money.

1:00:37Max Kellerman:So you can make the fights because everyone who's who's who's who. There's fan interest. There's money involved. Terrence Crawford finally got shine when he fought Canelo Alvarez. Right. But if you stop your average American on the street, probably even now, they might not know who Bud is. Right. There's no they there looking out for the long-term interest of the sport. No plans made. No TV deals the way the other major sports have. Therefore, you don't know the characters, so you don't care as much. I mean, that's the big, I said, like, galaxy brain answer to the question. What's the fight you want to see?

1:01:08Max Kellerman:If somebody said Matt Killingman. Come on, man, you know what it is. I'll tell you. Everyone's going to say the same thing. Just say it. Don't even fuck around. Just say it.

1:01:15Joe Johnson:Tell me.

1:01:15Max Kellerman:No, I'm not going to tell you. You tell me. The fight that you want to see right now. Yeah, no, no, no. Just say it. Boots and Bud? Come on, man. Why are we even playing? Boots and Bud, you act like you're surprised.

1:01:26Shannon Sharpe:I thought you were going to say David and Shakur.

1:01:28Max Kellerman:Okay. Boots and Bud is about to start. ding ding round one on this network the super bowl is about to kick off on that network what are you watching live what are you recording i'm boots and bud you're watching boots and bud live boxing beats everything when it's at its best boxing beats everything right yeah boots and bud but you don't give it to us you don't give us your best that's why i'm at zufa i'm at zufa because in the history of boxing zufa boxing you know in the history of boxing of combat sports. There's only one man who ever built an institution that will outlive him. For example, Don King.

1:02:08Max Kellerman:Don King was the biggest promoter in the world. He was. Yeah. Now he's been in decline for a while, so he has a little suite of offices, half a dozen people working for him. He goes out of business, that's it. Bob Marum, same thing. A dozen people working for him, main events. Just name the operation. You ever been over to UFC headquarters? I have. It's like going to ESPN. It's like an airline hangar. It's a campus. There are hundreds and hundreds. It's an institution, right? So when Dana called me and said, hey, I'm thinking about doing this thing. Would you be in? I'm thinking, this is the phone call I've been waiting my whole life.

1:02:45Max Kellerman:I've been waiting for they to be there. Now, people will have criticism of Dana in terms of what is this guy getting paid or how are you organizing this? Those are things that you can negotiate later when something actually exists. But he's the only dude who built something that's a real business, that's an institution. So I'm excited by the possibility. There's no guarantees. But maybe Zufa boxing can become the NFL, the NBA, Major League Baseball, and there can be a they there, and everyone gets to see. You know, it's the Rams and the Seahawks, NFC title game. No, you know what? We'll see that in a couple years.

1:03:25Max Kellerman:We're not ready to play yet. You know, we don't want to play them. We'll play Tennessee, right? And you could buy it on pay-per-view, or you just don't get to watch any football. That can come to an end, and you can get the Super Bowl every year, right?

1:03:44Shannon Sharpe:If I said, Max, I'm going to let you call one fight, any fight, it could be a future fight or somebody in the past, what fight would you call it? That's already happened? It's already happened or it might happen.

1:03:57Max Kellerman:Ooh, that's a great question. Or it might happen. I mean, well, it's an unfair, like, you know, Joe Lewis and Max Schmeling rematch. When, you know, the Nazis had their high command ringside at Yankee Stadium. And Joe Lewis, and Max Schmeling's a great guy. He was president of Coca-Cola into his 90s and he wasn't aligned with that, but he was used as a symbol of that. And Joe Lewis, you know, the inferiority of this race versus the master race and all that. And Joe Lewis knocked him out in one round, but was hitting him in the body like you would want to hit your worst enemy. Schmeling was like screaming in pain and he knocked him out in one round.

1:04:36Max Kellerman:That would have been a fun fight to call. I like it. You got anything on Joe?

1:04:40Joe Johnson:That was it. I'm good. I'm glad we agree on that Bud Booth fight coming up. But you know what?

1:04:47Shannon Sharpe:it's going to take triple digits to get him out. He inside. Bud's going to fight again.

1:04:53Max Kellerman:I'm going to say he's too competitive. Bud is too competitive. And the boots, the reason, listen, if this was two or three years ago, who do you like? Bud. I don't have to think about it that hard. Right. But even so, I'm never picking against Bud until I see it. Right. But if you've been off a couple years, and you're 40, and you're in with an explosive athletic puncher. Switch hitter. Switch who knows what he's doing too. Boots is a special talent, offensive talent. Yes. You know, how much defense is going to get mixed in, what's going to happen when he runs across another super fighter who he's never had to fight so far, we'll see.

1:05:32Max Kellerman:But that's a dangerous fight for a 40-year-old who's been off for a couple years, and that makes it, in my view, much closer to a 50-50 kind of fight than it would have been a couple years ago.

1:05:41Shannon Sharpe:Well, it needs to happen soon because Bud say he's about to be 39, so it needs to happen this year. Boots is getting ready to fight soon, isn't he?

1:05:50Max Kellerman:Yeah. He's fighting to, like, see, I try to explain to people the way belts really work in boxing.

1:05:55Joe Johnson:Yeah.

1:05:55Max Kellerman:Think about college football before there was a playoff system. Right. So you might win a prestigious bowl game, and that's something. That's, you know, one of these sanctioning body belts. That doesn't mean you won the natty. Right. Right? Right. So when you hear like Manny Pacquiao won titles in eight divisions, yeah, he won bowl games in eight divisions. He won the Natty in four. That's the record. There are only three guys, Bud, Manny, and you could argue Floyd. But I would argue Floyd's only got three because he made Canelo come down below the weight limit. But you could argue that either way.

1:06:31Max Kellerman:In the history of boxing, that's it who really won four Natty. You know what I mean? Okay, I got it.

1:06:37Shannon Sharpe:Max, appreciate you, bro. All the best. Good call tomorrow night, man. We'll be in attendance. We'll see if Ryan can back up all that talk because he's been talking a big one. It's going to be a good action fight. Okay. I like that. We like action. Appreciate it. Max Kellerman. Yes, sir. That concludes this episode of Nightcap. I want to thank you guys for joining us. Make sure you tune in to catch this fight tomorrow night. Paramount Plus, excuse me. We're off tonight. We'll see you back tomorrow night.

1:07:04Joe Johnson:Hey, and don't forget, me and Bud coming soon. to a street near you.

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