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9:26Chad Johnson:Yeah I don't see it with me I think he gonna get a lot stronger on Ocho He might get him a little girth on there But man

9:38Shannon Sharpe:Just so Just so Just so people can't move him You know try to play through his body and move him off his spot. Yeah. But he... People talk about women develop the sky hook. Man, don't let that man develop no sky hook. How the hell you... Hell, you couldn't block Kareem. Did he sell him too? What the hell you gonna do with a man 7-4, 7-5, throw the sky hook from 9 feet high?

10:08Shannon Sharpe:Nah, but look, I get it. Because you look at Yoke and the stuff that he's doing. We've never seen a big man this skilled offensively that can score the basketball, can assist the basketball. There have been very few bigs that they ran the offense through. We've seen point forwards, but they run the offense through him.

10:25Chad Johnson:Yeah.

10:26Shannon Sharpe:He's going to average another triple-double this year.

10:28Chad Johnson:Yeah. I think it's the grace that he plays with Uncle Ocho, how he makes the game look so easy, so simple. Like, you know, it don't even seem like he really out there trying that hard if I'm being 100 with you. You know, when I watch him play, it's like because if you give him one-on-one coverage, he going to pick whoever that is, guard, he going to pick him apart so quick. And it's like then if you double him, he always looking for the open man. He's a pass first big who can score. You know what I mean? So it's fun to watch him. It's fun to watch him work. And he going to be hard to stop too, man.

11:04Chad Johnson:That's why I say the West so tough because by the time whoever comes out of the West, they going to be so beat up. because from the first round all the way into the finals, boy, you're going to have headhunters on you.

11:17Shannon Sharpe:You got your hands full. And the thing is, he's on pace, Joe, to lead the league in assists again. You know, Wilt did it many, many years ago, but this guy's leading the league in assists with double digits, which is crazy.

11:35Chad Johnson:It don't make no sense, man.

11:38Shannon Sharpe:It's crazy. It don't make no sense. Like I said, his touch around the basket is second to none. I've seen a lot of big. I mean, so we go back to the mid-70s and come forward, I've never seen a big with that kind of touch.

11:49Chad Johnson:No, I ain't either. I ain't either. I ain't either, Ocho. So I think for them, it's all about how healthy they can get or how healthy Gordon could get because he's the one guy who can definitely help Murray and Jokic. Yeah, and get Watson back. Yeah, and get Watson back. They got to get them dudes back healthy. So, they get them back.

12:11Shannon Sharpe:They get those guys back. It's going to be very interesting because, you know, look, come playoff time, Murray and Yoke, they're going to be Murray and Yoke. It's Gordon. When Gordon gave you that third option. Yeah. Yeah. He gave you that third option. He's going to be tough. He's going to be tough. He's going to be tough. They're going to be tough to beat. Yeah. Because, Yoke, you know, you don't know. What do you do? You let him get 50, or do you let him get 25, 30 with 20 rebounds and 15 assists? Oh, my God. Because you're at his mercy. Yeah. Like you said, they don't have one guy that can stop him.

12:50Shannon Sharpe:You got to bring the double. You got to bring help. And it just comes now, any time a guy gets double, Joe, and you know this, it's up to the guy. If they're knocking down shots, you're just like, well, F it. We'll do the next game. Yeah. Yeah. Because if you don't come, he's going to punish him. If you do come, he's going to kick it, and the guy's knocking down shots.

13:11Chad Johnson:Yeah, you got to pick your poison.

13:12Joe Johnson:That's the Lu Lu situation, huh?

13:14Chad Johnson:Yeah. Hey, that's why a lot of teams starting to be physical with a lot of these guys, too. You know, have them crying and whining to the referee. Trying to wear them down. Like, man, we know we ain't going to stop you, but if we can frustrate you and had you teed off out here to where you get a couple ignorant fouls and you had to go sit down and we've done just as good a job you know what I mean yeah

13:43Shannon Sharpe:we'll see the one thing we do know he has at least five more years let's see what his numbers are let's see what he's done has he won more championships has he won more MVPs and then we're going to have to have a serious serious discussion because the numbers are going to warrant and the wars are going to warrant it just a matter of how many championships does he have yeah it's gonna warrant some consideration

14:08Chad Johnson:it's gonna put him at the top yeah absolutely

14:11Shannon Sharpe:because there ain't a whole lot of guys that got I mean you gotta go only let's see Kareem with four with six MVPs you got Jordan and Russell with five MVPs and you got LeBron and Wilt with four MVPs.

14:33Chad Johnson:You talking about what you...

14:34Shannon Sharpe:Moses Malone has three. So Magic has three. Bird has three. So now we're talking about he already has three. Now you mess around and get him and let him get a fourth and a fifth. And he gets a couple of championships. Now what we supposed to do with that? Just ignore it? Oh, let me guess. He played a little soft era.

14:54Joe Johnson:There's always going to be something.

15:03Shannon Sharpe:So, we gon' see. Before we move on, Joe, the social media team had this post yesterday. Look at Joe.

15:10Chad Johnson:What happened, bro? Joe, what y 'all got going on? Joe, what you doing, Joe? Do you know anything about wrestling, Joe? Yeah, I know something about wrestling.

15:21Shannon Sharpe:Well, CM Punk did that when he won the belts. So he was making fun of Seth Rollins and Becky. So they got the championship. So he's like, I got the belts now. So that's what he was doing. So we were spoofing that. And people were like, man, why y 'all do Joe like that? Clearly y 'all not wrestling fans. Because if you were wrestling fans, you the new CM Punk did that. And we took that from CM Punk. Oh, okay, okay.

15:49Chad Johnson:Yeah. They thought y 'all was.

15:51Shannon Sharpe:Can we pull up the clip from CM Punk?

15:53Chad Johnson:Oh, they thought y 'all was. Okay, there you go. You see, Joe? Yeah, yeah, they thought you were trying, they thought y 'all were trying to put shame on the king.

16:00Claressa Shields:Hold on, hold on, hold on.

16:01Chad Johnson:Put shame on the who?

16:03Shannon Sharpe:Ain't nobody thought that. See, you added that, Joe. Ain't nobody said nothing about no king. Put shame on the who?

16:06Chad Johnson:Nah, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm telling you what social media - I don't even know what social media - See, a punk ain't had no hat on. I'm telling you what social media was thinking. They were thinking like, oh man, they trying to put shame on the king. That's what they were thinking, Ocho.

16:18Joe Johnson:Joe, you can't self-proclaim yourself as a king. You can't do that, Joe.

16:24Chad Johnson:Ocho. Yo, do we have to go through this every time, man?

16:26Joe Johnson:I'm just saying, you can't call yourself the king.

16:29Claressa Shields:You have to be appointed.

16:31Chad Johnson:I was anointed. Anointed. By who? Ocho, you know when I was in high school, this back in 1999, back in Little Rock, Arkansas, at D, Little Rock Central. You know, I won a homecoming king, Ocho. I was anointed back in the day in high school. Real? Yeah, man, I won a homecoming king. How you a homecoming king and you don't even play football? I won the basketball homecoming king. Doing the game. Y 'all had a basketball homecoming king? What kind of bull job is that? Y 'all had a football team? Y 'all had, hold on, hold on, hold on.

17:03Claressa Shields:Don't act like y 'all ain't got basketball homecoming now. Nah. No, we don't. I ain't never heard that. Who don't? Nobody but you? Hey, homecoming king and queen is on football night.

17:12Chad Johnson:It's a football. Man, you think of homecoming king for basketball? I don't know where y 'all from, bro. What in the sticks? I know y 'all from down there. Chad, you don't have a basketball home here.

17:21Joe Johnson:Hey, Joe, I promise you, I've never heard of basketball home. homecoming king queen now football man y 'all what is what chat is different down there i need y 'all to chat chat don't know they don't know what's your way what's your school population was about 200

17:37Chad Johnson:chill chill my class we had no oh joe we had close to about 500 people in my high school class now

17:45Shannon Sharpe:damn and just one class no not your high school your graduating class yes my high school graduating

17:50Claressa Shields:class. Nah, you mean the whole school, 500 kids.

17:56Shannon Sharpe:Joe, I have never heard, now I done been to a lot of places, as a matter of fact, I'm getting ready to go to the county fair, but being from the south, and being on a farm, I was in 4-H, I went to county fairs, I went to two goat shows and a cow show. I ain't never heard no ish like that. When you got a basketball home coming quick. I ain't never heard it, Ocho. And the champ said I ain't never heard it either.

18:18Claressa Shields:Hey, matter of fact, it's homecoming.

18:22Chad Johnson:Homecoming king, man, what is wrong with y 'all? These people saying this in the chat.

18:25Claressa Shields:No, homecoming, homecoming for football games.

18:28Shannon Sharpe:You mean, hold on, you mean the prom, you was prom king? Now, I get it. If you say I was prom king, because you got homecoming, you got prom. So if you say I was the prom king, OK, Joe, congratulations. You got basketball hoop? I ain't never heard of that. What kind of boy time is that?

18:43Chad Johnson:Man, y 'all must grow up in some real rural areas to where Then y 'all probably have stoplights and all that. Ninja, you from Little Rock, Arkansas. I know.

18:56Joe Johnson:He's coming like he from LA or New York. Hey, hey, show me a picture, Joe. Show me a picture you want homecoming king. Show you a picture? I need to see a picture. OK, man.

19:08Chad Johnson:I'm going to show you why I ain't got one on me. Yeah, yeah.

19:10Joe Johnson:He's trying to use AI. You think you slick. Hey, he going to use AI and try to create one.

19:16Chad Johnson:Ocho, you think I sit here and lie to you, bruh? That's the last thing I'm gonna do. I ain't gonna lie to you, bruh. Like I said,

19:24Shannon Sharpe:prom, if you say, hey, Ocho, you know your boy, you know your boy was prom king. I've been at this king thing for a minute now. This ain't the first time I've been anointed the king. They crowned me the king for the prom. Okay, you know your boy playin' a little football. I was a quarterback, I was a wide receiver. I was homecoming king. Gotcha.

19:43Claressa Shields:So y 'all trying to - Basketball? Nah, something ain't right. Something ain't adding up.

19:49Chad Johnson:Dang, boy, hey. Boy, these people gonna talk about y 'all over here, man. Not really.

19:54Shannon Sharpe:Maybe y 'all had a nice little pep rally. Y 'all used to do it. Y 'all had a pep rally, right?

19:57Chad Johnson:Yeah, man, we used to have a pep rally. Come on, man. Y 'all don't try to play us like that. I'm just saying.

20:02Claressa Shields:If you had a basketball homecoming,

20:05Chad Johnson:ain't no telling what else y 'all had. Hold on. So, listen. Y 'all tell me when these colleges, they have football homecoming, y 'all do know they have a basketball homecoming too, right? Not by school. Not mine either. Y 'all, man, will y 'all stop playing crazy? I promise you. So y 'all got a baseball homecoming too? Track homecoming?

20:22Claressa Shields:Nope.

20:23Chad Johnson:So what we stopping at?

20:25Joe Johnson:You got to stop somewhere.

20:28Chad Johnson:Hey, y 'all got to chill, bro.

20:30Shannon Sharpe:Hey, they had a wrestling homecoming, football homecoming, basketball homecoming, soccer, baseball.

20:39Chad Johnson:Wow. That's crazy.

20:41Joe Johnson:Maybe it's small areas that do that, Joe. Maybe a small area. Maybe so. Not down here in Miami. Not that I know of.

20:47Chad Johnson:Look, the chat telling y 'all both.

20:49Claressa Shields:They telling y 'all both.

20:50Joe Johnson:I mean, the people in the chat that are saying both are probably from small, rural areas like Arkansas.

20:55Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. I mean, they probably have a black and a white homecoming queen. Okay, I get it. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Hey, Joe, I don't believe you want. Black and white proms. I mean, y 'all have a great prom. Hey, listen.

21:08Chad Johnson:Hey, listen. Hey, listen. Y 'all want to put a stain on my crown so bad. put no stain on there we just saying there's no way you want it listen i i don't figure y 'all out i don't figure y 'all out why y 'all want to put a stain on your boy so bad y 'all good

21:24Claressa Shields:joe i ain't even went homecoming king so i know you ain't when when you was playing

21:28Chad Johnson:what in high school no oh joe oh joe hold on i'm gonna have to get my i hold on i'm gonna to get my stuff together. Get it, Joe.

21:38Joe Johnson:Get it, Joe. I ain't went homecoming, King. I won Class Clown. I won that. They got that one right. All the way through the NFL. What you see is what you get.

21:55Chad Johnson:Damn.

21:58Shannon Sharpe:No, I didn't went homecoming. I was Mr. Senior. What did that mean?

22:10Shannon Sharpe:Most likely to succeed. That's what that means? Mr. Senior? No, I wasn't Mr. Senior. You had a Mr. In your graduating class, you had a Mr. and Mr. Senior. Yeah, I never heard of it. You had a most likely to succeed. You had most talented. You had all the, yes. Oh, yeah. Yes, you got most likely to succeed.

22:30Chad Johnson:Okay, okay, yeah. Hold on, so tell me something. Did y 'all have a senior banquet and all that? Yeah. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. We had a senior banquet. Hold on, did you have a senior trip?

22:41Claressa Shields:Y 'all had a senior trip? Yes, I didn't. Where was that? Oh, Joe, where was I going to go? Where I was going to get money to go on a senior trip? Joe, y 'all had a senior trip, Joe?

22:49Shannon Sharpe:They took out money.

22:50Claressa Shields:They went on a cruise.

22:51Chad Johnson:I ain't going to.

22:52Claressa Shields:Where they went? I always went to Disney World or Disneyland, whichever one is out here. Yeah, it was somewhere like that. We went on a cruise.

23:00Shannon Sharpe:So what was I going to use for luggage? Piggly Wiggly bags? And a suitcase? The hell I look like going to the cruise with grocery bags. Come on now.

23:13Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. I got my book. I can brag it to you. Most Likens to Succeed. Most Athletic.

23:21Chad Johnson:That's what I'm going to do. I have to get my yearbook. I got the most superlatives in Glenville history.

23:25Shannon Sharpe:It can never be broken because it's not a high school anymore. I'm the only athlete to win most MVP in basketball football, track, and senior athlete. I'm the only one that did it. Sweet steaks

23:38Chad Johnson:That's impressive. I ain't gonna lie to you Sweet steaks That's impressive But I still ain't heard of no home basketball Never that Man, y 'all ain't ever This is This is crazy

23:54Joe Johnson:Self-proclaimed king

23:55Claressa Shields:Child, please

23:59Chad Johnson:You don't see the chat vouching for everything I'm saying? Nah, the chat didn't. Ain't nobody vouching for that. They said both. They said it's a football homecoming and a basketball homecoming. We're going to close the chat. Let's go close the chat. We got the poll up.

24:17Shannon Sharpe:Hey, hey, hey.

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27:55Shannon Sharpe:Elcho, I detected a vote fraud. So we've got to close the chat.

28:00Chad Johnson:Damn. What's up? What's up, fellas? Y 'all straight? Yeah, we good, Joe. Okay. Yeah, we good. Everything good, Joe.

28:10See?

28:12Shannon Sharpe:Elcho, last night, Elcho and I discussed Clarissa's chance to win against Roley Romero, where both Clarissa and Shakur have responded. Okay, I got Clarissa over Shannon Sharp in a boxing match. Facts. These guys are so misinformed about boxing. Like Marjorie Mayweather says, some people don't know ish about boxing. Since day one, I've been sparring with men. It's a reason I'm running through these women. Yes, you're running through women, Clarissa. Clarissa, you're not beating a male-trained fighter. You're not. If that was the case, you would have fought men. You're not. They're not going to sanction it.

28:52Shannon Sharpe:We're not saying that you're a bad woman's fighter. You're great. You're the quote. You're the greatest woman's boxer of all time.

29:01Claressa Shields:Yeah.

29:03Shannon Sharpe:We're conceding that. Shakur is just upset that I said, I'm not paying no money to see him fight. This fight's not interesting. So he mad about that. I don't even want to discuss him. But Clarissa, it's not a shot at you. he's still talking about I don't box I'm an almost 58 year old granddad or two but I tell you what Shakur and I'm going to leave it like this when your career is over we'll compare careers that's all I want to do now back to our normally scheduled programming Carissa it's not a shot at you you're a phenomenal woman fighter but Clarissa you're not beating a trained male fighter You're not.

29:45Shannon Sharpe:He knows that. And if you want to take up, like I said, Serena laid it out. Serena is the greatest female woman's tennis player ever. She says, I'm not beating a male tennis player. They're not. There's a reason. If they could do a physical sport with men and women, they would do it. But they have a woman's league and they have a men's league. There's a reason why.

30:14Joe Johnson:there's a reason when we talked about this last night too Joe the one thing I went to with great understanding obviously my knowledge of boxing is very good the way Joe you and Uncle talk about basketball I can talk about boxing so I understand in a sense that with common sense and logic there's no way a woman even the greatest woman of all time that she can be a male trained boxer it's impossible even the worst of male boxers that really aren't that good but are pros at what they do, they would beat Ms. Shields. But understanding, then I just shifted to the mentality that she had. The fact that she even thinks she can, and that belief that if I had the opportunity to do so or fight one, is one of the reasons why she is as great as she is.

31:01Joe Johnson:That's it. And I got a little pushback about that, but I don't think people are understanding what I was trying to say. She's not going to win. She's not going to beat. But the fact that she had that kind of mentality is which is why she is the greatest of all time at what she does. But logically thinking and being realistic, you might not you might not like Roley. He's not as polished as other boxers. He's not a pure fighter. You know, when you watch him fight, he's not that. So I think from that standpoint, she looks at Roley the way he fights him, not being a polished boxer, you know, or whatever it may be.

31:36You know, I think I could beat him, but it just it wouldn't happen.

31:40Joe Johnson:realistically speaking

31:43Shannon Sharpe:Jojo that's a man taking a punch versus a woman taking a punch there's a reason men body and most athletes male produce more testosterone than the average women don't do that she would get hurt yes I'm talking about a trained male fighter people in the chat are ignorant and dumb. I said last night, we're talking about Roley Roley. Ocho, can you explain to the people that Roley is a professional fighter?

32:17Joe Johnson:They know that.

32:18Shannon Sharpe:We were talking about professional fighters. Now they try to take it somewhere else.

32:22Joe Johnson:They're going to move the goalposts. They're moving the goalposts and creating other scenarios outside of the one that is the main topic. Clarissa Shields is as great as she is. She knows. Shakur knows. Their knowledge of boxing and doing it all their life, they understand.

32:38Shannon Sharpe:So I guess Amanda Nunes can beat a trained MMA fighter.

32:43Joe Johnson:Come on.

32:44Shannon Sharpe:That's even worse. That's four-ounce gloves. That's even worse. Why not? You got to have that mentality. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying that she's not great. She's great. She's the greatest woman fighter ever. But to fight a man, Serena, who's the greatest woman's basketball player? She's not beating a man in basketball. I think tennis she's not a woman the greatest woman soccer player she's not beating a man and it's okay there's a reason why Ocho we have leagues that are for women and for men and that's why everybody get up in arms when men say well I'm taking these hormones and try to compete against

33:27Joe Johnson:the women's because it's unfair hey what is it what is what is it that you don't see

33:35Shannon Sharpe:Y 'all just want to have something And like I said I thank the world of her Her story if you've heard her story And to see where she came from From the streets of Detroit To what she's turned herself into A two time Olympic champion Once as a teenager And what she's turned herself into Kudos Get nothing but respect from me But y 'all know Ain't no trained woman fighter beating a trained male fighter. It's not happening. Y 'all know that. The power is just not there. The dude that clipped her sparring, Roley knocked out with headgear.

34:27I think, hey, look, I think because of that too,

34:31Chad Johnson:because of her sparring sessions, maybe she's sparring with guys it's probably she's probably built up the confidence to where she really does think she can be the man yeah you spar you think they're going hard on her like they would

34:44Shannon Sharpe:if they were going against another guy getting ready for a fight absolutely not and they don't

34:48Joe Johnson:turn up no they won't turn up because they understand especially at that level it's about work it's not beating it's not about beating the person in the ring it's about giving them the work that they need to prepare for whatever they're getting ready for because if they want to on a trained fighter. Those that I've been at with, Kayla Plant,

35:05Claressa Shields:the Charlo brothers. As a matter of fact, Ocho, before you go any further, I saw Kayla Plant in the grocery store. He told me to tell you what's up.

35:12Joe Johnson:I just saw him in the grocery store. Hey, Joe, they can kill you if they want to, Joe. They can kill you if you want. If they want to. If they want to turn up, even as a trained fighter, it's levels to everything. And I think the way Clarissa Shields looks at Roley, he's not as polished. He's not a pure boxer. His fighting style is unorthodox and it's awkward if you watch him fight. It looks weird. I mean, it just does. I'm just being honest. You know, if you look at Roley and you look at Shakur, two completely different levels. So when she sees that as a polished boxer, as the best woman of all time, she thinks, well, hell, I can beat that.

35:53Joe Johnson:I can beat that. That's her mentality. But can't she really do it? Yes, I understand. The champion, yes, I know. But can she really do it? No, absolutely not.

36:10Chad Johnson:We'll probably see a match, a woman fighting a man. They won't sanction it.

36:16Joe Johnson:They can't sanction that, Joe. 10-ounce gloves, 8-ounce gloves, no headgear, man versus woman. No, Joe.

36:22Chad Johnson:Man, if they know you're going to tune in, they're going to make it happen. She'll get hurt, Joe.

36:26Shannon Sharpe:they won't they won't say what you have to go overseas where there's no sanctioning bodies because there's not a sanctioning body in the u.s that'll sanction it i like i love the confidence i love the confidence and that confidence she has

36:40Joe Johnson:you know and like some people say it's delusion is why she's the greatest of all time and what she

36:45Shannon Sharpe:does i can make a ocho i can make a case that sydney mclaughlin is the greatest friend of 400 most high schoolers beat her in the open four so you think Sidney McLaughlin can beat a trained 400 meter hurdler no that's running why you think in a fight a trained fighter male versus a woman that the woman can beat him why would you think that

37:26Shannon Sharpe:and why would you want to see that

37:32Shannon Sharpe:I wouldn't want to see that I mean I promise you I don't know how you guys watch Ocho Joe when I watch sports I never thought that man I wonder if Serena could beat Federer I wonder if she could beat Joe time. No.

37:51Joe Johnson:There's no excitement in that, Unk. There's no excitement in that.

37:57Shannon Sharpe:That's my only question. Joe, why is it enough to be the best that you're giving field? Why is it enough to be the greatest woman boxer ever? Because she doesn't, it's almost like

38:14Chad Johnson:you don't want any measurements on it. It's like you didn't reach the pinnacle. She at the top. Can't no girl touch her. She know that. She wants to continue to keep going. Therefore, now this narrative came out that she feel like she can be the man.

38:35Chad Johnson:That's what's next.

38:38Joe Johnson:You know what? Uncle Joe, what if they do make that an exhibition? What if that's the next thing that she does?

38:47Shannon Sharpe:it's gonna be the same thing you saw what happened when jake paul fought a real fighter and anthony joshua how did that look ocho how did that look ocho there's levels to stuff

39:05that's why men fight men women fight women women play women's basketball wmba they got the nba

39:12Shannon Sharpe:They got the women's soccer league. They got the men's soccer league. When it comes to things that involve physical strength, men don't compete against women. There's a reason why. And we know the reason. This is not a knock on her. She's phenomenal. I know Roger Mayweather said, hey, are you right? I don't know. I just know, Ms. Shields, you're not beating a trained male fighter, especially a three time champion you're not and you and Shakur can be upset with me all you guys want to I still love you, I still admire you I think you're phenomenal because your story, coming from Michigan and doing what you did getting yourself out of an impoverished situation getting your family out of that condition absolutely but you're not beating a trained male fighter you're not you're just not and that's not a knock on you.

40:17I don't know.

40:18Shannon Sharpe:You're talking about rolling. You're talking about, you know, rolling ain't that skill. That man's a three-division champ. Yeah, I've seen, I'm going to stay away from that,

40:32Joe Johnson:but from a skill standpoint,

40:39Shannon Sharpe:you think so you think clarissa is more skilled and rolling like skillful skillful wise like

40:44Joe Johnson:boxing pure boxing yes absolutely absolutely yeah absolutely okay absolutely but but so so

40:51Claressa Shields:oh no no why not she's more skilled because the comparison the comparison is skill okay it's not

41:00Joe Johnson:about male and women i'm talking about just men from from a men's perspective let me no no no no No, no. You said she's more skilled than Roley. So therefore, she's more skilled. She's a more polished boxer. She's a polished, pure boxer. Roley's not a polished boxer. So she should be able to beat him.

41:17Claressa Shields:She should be able to beat him. You don't have the power to even affect him. If she's more skilled, she shouldn't be hit. Skill is not about him. Skill is not about him. She's more skillful at what she does. He doesn't have that kind of skill. So why should she? She shouldn't get hit.

41:34Joe Johnson:No, come on. You know what I mean, man.

41:37Shannon Sharpe:No, no, I don't. Let me ask you a question. You said Floyd. Skill.

41:41Claressa Shields:What was Floyd so skillful at? What could he do? You can't hit him. And his defense is his offense.

41:48Joe Johnson:Okay. Now, stay with me real quick. When you watch a true fight, the most skillful right now in boxing, when he fights, what can people not do? They can't what? Hit him. Hit him. Same thing. Very skillful. when you watch Roley fight, he's trying to knock everybody out.

42:07Claressa Shields:Every punch is with bad intention. But he's not going to be her, though, because she's so skillful. He won't be able to get her. No, he will kill.

42:14Joe Johnson:Stop. Come on. Stop playing there.

42:17Shannon Sharpe:Joe, am I the only one to chat? Am I the only one to chat? Yes, you're the only one confused.

42:20Joe Johnson:If you watch boxing, you know boxing. You know this. She's a better boxer. She's more skillful, whether it be defensively or offensively.

42:30Claressa Shields:But he will still beat her. So how does she lose? It's a man. What do you mean? He can crack. Joe, do you hear what he said? Are you not listening? There's a difference between him being a man and her being a better boxer.

42:48Joe Johnson:She's a better boxer, a better pure boxer. Whether it's on the outside, whether it's on the inside. She's a better boxer, unk. She's better skillfully. It doesn't mean she can beat him.

43:04Joe Johnson:he has an awkward fighting style he just does but it works for him that motherfucker can crack if he has clevers and shield she's going to sleep what you mean if i mean what went come on man oh

43:18Shannon Sharpe:you said if ocho if she got touched ocho did you see the fight that lady yes okay okay

43:26Claressa Shields:your question if roley if roley touch her like the lady she's like no it's nice it's nice out

43:33Joe Johnson:it it lights out we we know that and we've we've already said i i said when we first started the conversation jokes what i say there's no way in any scenario she's beating roley i said that but you now we went to skill now when it comes to skill she's a better skillful boxer she's a pure she's a purifier if you watch boxing you can see it rolly has an awkward style it's unorthodox you don't know what the hell's coming but if he catch you you're going to sleep but see that's what makes

44:03Shannon Sharpe:him so dangerous because what ray roy roy was skillful but what rate made roy jones his own orthodox style because you didn't know where he was going to go and you ain't gonna see the damn

44:13Joe Johnson:punch that's another problem hey hold on what was roy's flaw too because he was so skillful because his footwork was so good because he was so goddamn quick he never had to rely on defense and what let him down when he got knocked out.

44:26Shannon Sharpe:As he got older those reflexes weren't the same. So a punch that he could dodge or see coming when he was younger the one that Tarver hit him with he never saw it. He never saw it. But hopefully hopefully we've been going to this almost three years ago Joe. Hopefully you and I never have another discussion when it comes to men and women competing against each other. I really hope we don't. Because I think me, we can admire the beauty of each sport. And I think you can be the great in this. And, you know, I'm fine with that. Serena is perfectly fine with being the greatest woman's tennis player ever.

45:11Shannon Sharpe:I think Asia Wilson is going to be the greatest. I mean, you know, I know she said that she could beat Josh Hart when she can't. When she can't. greatest of all time. That's what I believe. But when you're talking about a professional versus a professional in a physical

45:27Joe Johnson:sport. It's different, man. It's different. Hey, Joe, when we talk about skill and art is when you watch people fight, think about the Shakur and the T.O. fight, right? And we always see T.O. play with his opponents and do all kind of tricks and hands down and doing all this. And he fights Shakur is levels to everything. That's the skill. That's the skill. There's a huge skill gap between Clarissa and Roley. That's all I'm saying. But she won't win if they actually fought. I'm just saying from a standpoint of how polished she is as a boxer, yes, because there's levels to everything. But a man against a woman?

46:10Joe Johnson:Oh, man. It ain't happening.

46:13Shannon Sharpe:I think the thing is, Ocho, we got to be careful because a lot of times we look at Roley's skills and we're looking at him through the lens of Shakur or we're looking through the lens of Floyd or some of these other skillful fighters and we say well he's not no he's not as skill as those guys but he's skillful just not because you're talking about now you start getting Floyd and you get Shakur and you get Roy or you got rest your soul Sweet Pea Whitaker when you start getting those guys now you start getting Sugar 8

46:41Joe Johnson:now you get into a you know is other fighters in that weight division look at look at Keishon Davis Keishon Davis yeah skill nice grace like skill that takes extreme skill to be able to do that yes uh Richard Richard Hitchison Richard Hitchens I'm not sure if I'm saying it right skill is different

47:09Claressa Shields:you know I mean just but what is Davis one point no Yo, Keyshawn.

47:16Joe Johnson:What 135, 140? I think he 40. Is he 40 or 47? I think he fighting 147 too, huh? I'm not sure.

47:24Shannon Sharpe:He might, I think so. I think he right. I think he right. I think Tank is 140.

47:28Claressa Shields:Hey, skills. Tank won't fight, Tank won't fight Keyshawn. Hey, I don't know. Lamar Roach, huh? We need, Tank, Tank, Tank need to get his issues.

47:37Shannon Sharpe:Once we get, once Tank get these issues resolved, Joe, we can start thinking about fighting again. Man. But there are some fights out there to be made. It is.

47:49Joe Johnson:I think Shakur and Tank, I think that's a bigger fight. That's a mega fight. But you don't want that right now because if you get it right now, then there's nothing to look forward to.

47:58Shannon Sharpe:I've been looking forward to a fight. I mean, I look forward to a – I've been looking forward to a – we were looking forward to Canelo and Bud. We've been looking forward to a fight like that for years.

48:09Joe Johnson:I'm curious, which is still going to happen, Joe, where I'm glad Bud retired because it's going to take the right amount of money to bring him out of retirement. The other part the other end of that, who's going to be the fighter that's going to bring him out of retirement that everybody wants to see?

48:24Chad Johnson:Man, nobody wants to. Bring him out. Them boys don't want to see Bud.

48:31Claressa Shields:Nah, nah. Somebody going to bring him out though. I don't think so. You think so? I don't care. Joy to the Father.

48:40Shannon Sharpe:Happy International Women's Day. Ta-da. To all the beautiful women out there that, hey, thank you. Thank you for everything that you do, from taking care of the kids, to supporting your family, supporting your husband, loved ones, whatever the case may be. You guys make it worthwhile. You guys make it happen. So we, Ocho, Joe, and I want to thank you sincerely. Thank you. Love y 'all. So all the women out there, this is your day. Hopefully you enjoyed it. Hopefully you did something fun. And your significant other took you to do something to let you know just how special you are. And him, without you, ain't happening.

49:25Chad Johnson:Every time you look up, it's a holiday. Yeah, we just got out of Valentine's Day.

49:32Shannon Sharpe:Ain't it? About to go into St. Patrick's. Ain't nobody getting that day. You know, it's a holiday. And, right, their mother's day right around the corner. Boy, they found a way to get that money, man. I mean, Christmas wasn't supposed to be what it is. I mean, they bought presents for the man that was born. Right, right, right. And somehow, they ain't bring no bikes. Who brought a bike and a car on your microwave? away.

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53:13Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Ocho, according to ESPN's Jeremy Fowler, the Patriots reportedly won in Max Crosby this offseason, but Tom Brady, eh-eh. Fowler spoke to someone involved in the Crosby trade and was quoted, no way Tom was sending Max to Brable. Brady and Brable were teammates in New England from 2001 to 2008. However, it seems Tom doesn't have any plan on helping his own team. yeah Ocho should the Raiders be worried that Tom ties to the Patriots could affect business no not

53:42Joe Johnson:really because I think Tom knows what he's doing he knows what he's doing from a business side especially trying to do what you can I think what the Patriots might have been offering for Matt Crosby they weren't getting in return I think what the Ravens got what the Ravens were willing to give up for Matt Crosby Tom Brady understands what I can continue to build over there in Las Vegas and he under he understood that this is about business now whether I want to help you improve or not are you going to compensate me the value that we need to continue to prove our roster if we're giving away our identity to you the patriots probably weren't willing to do that but the

54:16Shannon Sharpe:goddamn ravens were so if the patriots have two first and the ravens have two first you think

54:22Joe Johnson:tom brady doing business with his old team that's a great question that's a good question huh i don't

54:27Shannon Sharpe:think so he ain't helping them now i think it's a situation honestly this is me and like i said i I haven't talked to anybody, but I can see a situation like what happened with Peyton and the Colts. If you didn't know better, you would swear Peyton Manning only played for the Broncos. Because where do you see him at the games on Sunday, Ocho? At the Broncos. Where do you see him doing stuff with the Broncos? He has a statue out in front of Lucas Oil. Tom probably will never say this, and he won a championship. I'm the greatest quarterback ever, and you let me know. you told me I wasn't good enough.

55:03Shannon Sharpe:It was bad enough when I first got into the league, I had to watch guy after guy after guy after guy. And you mean to tell me after six Super Bowls, after three MVPs, after four Super Bowl MVPs, I'm not good enough?

55:19Joe Johnson:Funny how that business work, huh?

55:22Shannon Sharpe:And I understand Coach Belichick, but he said, Mr. Kraft, you signed off. You fired him, so you mean to tell me you couldn't override it? you let it get to this that's just me that's just me looking at knowing how I think that's a good one

55:39Joe Johnson:that's a good one

55:40Shannon Sharpe:that man you see how he held against every team that passed his ass up put foot set up for 23 years

55:48Joe Johnson:gave him hell everybody

55:51Shannon Sharpe:he did like I said I could be totally wrong but I think there's still some resentment there He will never say it, and I get it. I get it. You always put, oh, no, we're great, and, you know, the Patriots, and yada, yada, yada. He's been very, very positive about Coach Belichick. He's been very, very positive about Mr. Kraft. They gave up on him on that. So let that sink in. So, Chad, so next time y 'all talk about these players and this and that, he's on the very short list. Whether you think a quarterback can be the GOAT of a league, that's neither here nor there. We'll debate that a lot of time.

56:31Shannon Sharpe:Here's a guy that had an exemplary career for 20 years in New England with six Super Bowls, four MVPs, three regular season MVPs. And you know when it comes to clutch, we ain't talking about the one that's in your car with a manual transmission. We're talking about the gym. And when you need something to happen, he can make it pop off. And they said, nah, bro, you ain't got it no more. We ain't better without you.

56:56Chad Johnson:Hey, so I got a question. Y 'all think that the championship that he won in Tampa Bay is more significant than anyone he's won in New England? I wouldn't be surprised if it meant more.

57:08Joe Johnson:Especially going from one team to another and being able to win it the first year. And when stuff like that happens, Joe, like if you were playing a video game, and let's say you just trade one player to another team, now you expect to win. But to be able to do it in real life, to go to a new organization after being somewhere for 20 years, and people say, oh, well, we don't know what's going to happen. Did you win in New England because of Bill or was it because of you? And then you go to the next place and win the following season? When people play their whole career and never go to a Super Bowl?

57:47Chad Johnson:Yeah, but Tampa Bay wasn't just slow, though. All the pizza was already there.

57:51Joe Johnson:They were missing one thing. Yeah.

57:53Shannon Sharpe:All they needed was a guy that didn't turn the ball over. Right. Right. And I think because they didn't believe in him, he's like, hold on. After everything I've done, y 'all still doubt me now? Okay. It was so, boy, I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall. When he was with his friends, his closest friends, his mom, his dad, his agent, his boys.

58:19Chad Johnson:Yeah.

58:24Shannon Sharpe:because you got to realize now once he left that thing unraveled fairly quickly very quickly

58:29Joe Johnson:yeah um you know if you don't have a quarterback i mean look hold on mac jones look good his first year but you understand why he look good and what he had to deal with his second year somebody that shouldn't be been appointed that had nothing to do with officer play calling didn't know what they was doing so it went downhill very fast damn some guys you just look you see that

58:56Shannon Sharpe:you it happens because i i don't care how well you played eventually go what they do with joe emmett smith the cowboys what they do oh joe oh yeah joe joe you know that's your team you know

59:10Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

59:12Shannon Sharpe:So Joe Montana, Emmitt Smith, Tom Brady, Jerry Rice. I can make a case. They're four of the top eight, nine, ten players in the field. At their position, yeah. Had to finish their careers elsewhere because the team, after everything they had done, said, no, I'm good. Yeah. But when a player says, hey, I want out, are you selfish? You know how I go. Ocho, Joe, the Rams and Trent McDuffie agreed to a record four-year deal. $124 million extension. $100 million, guaranteed. Making him the highest-paid cornerback in history. The highest-paid cornerback per year. He makes$31 million. Sauce Gardner, 30.1.

1:00:04Shannon Sharpe:Stingley Jr., 30. J.C. Horn, 25. Jalen Ramsey 24.1 and Pat Sertan second 24

1:00:17Chad Johnson:McDuffie McDuffie strapping like that

1:00:19Joe Johnson:he nice now he nice hold on hey um listen he very nice he can play inside Joe he can play on the outside too at times if need be he can travel I'm not sure what they're gonna how they're gonna use him over there he's probably not going to travel I'm sure he has a Pacific side that he likes to play based on what he did in Kansas City but he can He can strap. Hey, he can strap, boy. He can strap. I remember I had my wide receiver workshop, and I talked about some of the DBs that were difficult to play against. I asked Uno. I asked Jamar Chase. I asked some other receivers. And obviously, Patrick Sertain was at the top.

1:00:53Joe Johnson:But goddamn, Trent McDuffie's name kept coming up. He had to deal with, along with Denzel Ward. And it's the same name that always – When we talk about the DBs, it's Denzel Ward, Trent McDuffie, Pat Sertain you know the J.C. Horns they stingly yeah Stingley is always in that conversation too so

1:01:14Shannon Sharpe:Gonzalez is not that now you guys you'll have a they're gonna have to do something Gonzalez you'll have to do oh yeah yeah I forgot

1:01:20Joe Johnson:Gonzalez is up too and he nice huh he nice I wish I wish he'd talk a little bit more so that the the the personality matches up with that man to talk

1:01:30Shannon Sharpe:out his game won't you see you try to get that man to talk down no I'm just saying because it

1:01:34Joe Johnson:it it that ain't his game that's okay he's decide we need that kind of personality to be a little bit more brash a little bit more boastful about how good they are that ain't ocho that's your game

1:01:46Shannon Sharpe:you try to get him to do something like you did everybody can't talk and play okay some people just like to play and let them play talk to you and i we like to play and play and i'm gonna tell what i'm gonna do my play go talk for the top of it yeah yeah because sometimes i get too tired to talk but i'm a player with this touchdown on you yeah hey be nice though but that's that's a really

1:02:10Joe Johnson:that's a really listen that defense improves which is already good which is already good at at the the the back the back end was already good especially last year but to add that to what they already have especially with that that front line the rams got and you get a solid piece at corner they're going to be nice they're going to be i would love to be i would love to be a fly on the wall at a practice in them one-on-ones with trint mcduffy and puka nicole oh we i would love i would

1:02:37Shannon Sharpe:love to see that puka ain't no slouch man oh they must be got some money uh i i know mr cronkey got a boat low but it's gonna take some more because uh uh because what what he just what he just paid uh what he just paid um yeah mcduffy he's gonna have to add about 40 50 more million to that for Puka?

1:02:56Claressa Shields:Is Puka this year or is it next year? Puka up.

1:03:01Chad Johnson:Yeah.

1:03:03Shannon Sharpe:It's Puka's fourth. Hold on, it's Puka's third or fourth year. Puka was a fifth round pick. Oh, my goodness.

1:03:08Chad Johnson:Yeah, he up.

1:03:09Shannon Sharpe:He only got a three-year deal. Yeah, he up.

1:03:12Chad Johnson:They going to have to back up that bridge. He going to reset the market, Joe.

1:03:19Joe Johnson:He going to reset the market. Now, I'm curious if over there in Seattle, they waiting on on puga to sign or they're gonna or json gonna sign first or they're gonna make json play one more year so he's played three years or four years okay he signed a four-year deal damn they signed

1:03:36Shannon Sharpe:that many that signed that long a deal and when uh as a fifth rounder

1:03:44Yeah. Yeah.

1:03:46Shannon Sharpe:He about to break it up.

1:03:50Joe Johnson:Joe, he might get 42 for what? He got to give up. 42 a year? Mm-hmm. 32 a year.

1:03:58Chad Johnson:Who the highest paid receiver right now? Chase.

1:04:02Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

1:04:06Shannon Sharpe:We're going to reset the market.

1:04:12that's crazy hey joe it's gonna keep going up too joe it's gonna keep going up yeah

1:04:19Shannon Sharpe:hey i don't know if you saw but you saw the nfl tried to redo them tv deals you see that they are get out of here yeah what they want mo Hey, Netflix say we want in. Oh, yeah. CBS Paramount say, hey, y 'all know we got a good relationship. We bought up everything. We put it on any network you want to. You want CBS? You want, hey, you want CNN, whatever network you want?

1:04:46Chad Johnson:Hey, hey.

1:04:47Shannon Sharpe:Netflix, hey, you know in order to be considered for real, you got to get live events. You got to get a live sporting event. And nothing better than the NFL football. And teams going to pay big dollars for it. And they know that. Damn. All right, now it's time to play a fade presented by PrizePix.

1:05:21Shannon Sharpe:Quentin Grimes, 4.5 assists.

1:05:25Chad Johnson:Quentin Grimes. They play tomorrow. They play Cleveland.

1:05:29Shannon Sharpe:He might be over that because of what you call Tyrese Maxson hurt his hand.

1:05:33Chad Johnson:Oh, yeah. It looked like it was serious too.

1:05:35Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, Tyrese Maxson, I might go over that because he's going to have to start. I might go more than four and a half because if Maxson can't play, that means he's going to get more time.

1:05:46Chad Johnson:I agree with you on this one, boy.

1:05:50Shannon Sharpe:More, more, more. Christian Braun, when you combine rebounds and assists, 7.5. So he'll have at least, when you combine rebounds and assists, at least eight.

1:06:02Chad Johnson:They playing OKC? Yep.

1:06:05Shannon Sharpe:And Denver. Damn.

1:06:10Chad Johnson:Rebounds and assists.

1:06:13Shannon Sharpe:Ah.

1:06:18Chad Johnson:I might give him more.

1:06:21Shannon Sharpe:I'm going to. I'm going more to. Uh-oh. Nikola Jokic, more than 27. More.

1:06:27Chad Johnson:More.

1:06:31Chad Johnson:Hey, he's trying to prove a point. I got him in more. I got him more this game because I think Murray might be out.

1:06:39Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, might.

1:06:43Shannon Sharpe:Jalen Brunson, they play the Clippers tomorrow. Rebounds and assists, more than 10.5. Nah.

1:06:56Joe Johnson:Rebounds and assists.

1:06:58Chad Johnson:I'm going low. He'll get a couple of rebounds, but not enough to where... I got him less. I got less.

1:07:05Shannon Sharpe:What is Jay LeBron?

1:07:10Chad Johnson:He averaged what?

1:07:15Chad Johnson:Damn, they playing the Clippers. You going more, Unk? I'm going more.

1:07:22Shannon Sharpe:All right, I got to write this down. I think he gonna get like three, he gonna get three or so, he gonna get four assists to call after the time and then pick and roll.

1:07:33Chad Johnson:That's hit or miss.

1:07:37Chad Johnson:If I'm a bad man, I ain't just like, you know.

1:07:46Shannon Sharpe:Dang, Joe, I can't believe you. You're going against a Brunson.

1:07:51Chad Johnson:I'm with you, I'm with you. I mean, he said he's been at 14 over the last four games.

1:07:59Chad Johnson:So, yeah, I'm going with more.

1:08:02Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, you want more?

1:08:03Joe Johnson:Yeah, I'm going with more. I'm going with Joe, huh?

1:08:08Shannon Sharpe:I like it. Right here. It is right here.

1:08:14Shannon Sharpe:It is.

1:08:18Shannon Sharpe:today he has six rebounds and seven assists

1:08:25Chad Johnson:against the Lakers yep okay this is back to back tomorrow back to back

1:08:34Chad Johnson:so y 'all expect for him to do this again

1:08:42Shannon Sharpe:what is he averaging what is he averaging for the year he's got to be averaging at least at least six rebounds I mean six assists for season five

1:08:53Chad Johnson:yeah he probably about six

1:08:57Shannon Sharpe:that's ten so he averaging he averaging ten he averaging ten rebounds he averaging ten assists rebounds of the season six and a half assists three and a half rebounds yeah I get one more I'm saying more More Alright Download the app today Use code SHANNON to get$50 in lineups After you play your first$5 lineup Prize picks It's good to be like

1:09:29Joe Johnson:Hey Unc and Joe What's that Hey Ash can hear me too Unc Yep Hey chat What you call a dog with no legs

1:09:44Shannon Sharpe:You call it where they going to you won't come.

1:09:46Joe Johnson:Okay, that's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one.

1:09:53Shannon Sharpe:You can't keep getting

1:09:54Claressa Shields:you back. You got two. Joe, just stick with me, Joe. Stick with me, Joe. That was a good one. That was a good one.

1:10:06Chad Johnson:With no legs.

1:10:09Shannon Sharpe:Now it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A.

1:10:22Shannon Sharpe:You cannot say, you know, you can't say, you got to say mobility challenged. Why? Yeah.

1:10:32Chad Johnson:I don't play about them animals, boy.

1:10:34Shannon Sharpe:Well, you can't, I mean, you can't say dis-saving things. You got to just say, you know, mobility restricted or mobility. Oh, so if I say what's the hardest part? No, don't say it. Yeah, but if you do say yes, yeah, we're going to say mobility. Or restricted. Before we get to our super chat, we got a video voicemail from our discord. So make sure you join the discord and submit a video voicemails for the show. All right. This one comes from Panther Pride. Let's take a listen to what he had to say, guys.

1:11:04Claressa Shields:What's up? Nightcap fam. um Ocho and King Iso down here in South Florida just moved here I always watch out you're on right now I always watch out hey Ocho where you get your cigars from I go down to Miami Cuban Crapsers sit down there and smoke I have me a Cuban coffee where do you get your cigars Ocho

1:11:36Joe Johnson:yeah i know i know about cuban crafters if you down this way if you're in miami i go to aficionado cigar bar right here in pembroke pines sometimes i go to top notch right across the street uh in miami garden from the dolphin stadium uh and i don't go to smoke on the water which is out a little further out there in weston those are my three main spots but for the majority of the time really every day i go right down to aficionado get me a little coffee get me little cigars you know if you if you're in town but you know during the day you catch me there sitting down there with my cheetah pants on with my feet kicked up hey hey hey you gotta you gotta know how to

1:12:11Chad Johnson:smoke them cigars now you don't just oh yeah get on them cigars and go oh no no no no it's an

1:12:17Joe Johnson:acquired taste it's an acquired taste it's just it's just not about smoking them you're smoking for a reason joe you're smoking for a reason you gotta know what you're doing what's the reason

1:12:26Chad Johnson:okay i went to the uh i went to the bahamas me and some of the homies went to the bahamas when when the season was over with one year. And man, we had a couple of them Cuban cigars. I'm talking about big strong joints, you hear me? And we weren't really no cigar smokers like that. Man, I smoked that cigar, old child, I woke up at six of the morning, I had been passed out at about 10 in that night trying to smoke a cigar. I couldn't do nothing that night.

1:12:54Shannon Sharpe:See?

1:12:54Chad Johnson:You gotta know what you're doing.

1:12:56Shannon Sharpe:Mm-hmm. You know, I've smoked my cigars, They close to Cuba, Tampa Nuggets. You know them Tampa Nuggets, Ocho? Yeah. Swisher Sweets.

1:13:11Shannon Sharpe:Do they count? J-D-O from Akron. Iso, until you're dethroned, you got to bang the drums and hit that Ali champ. The champ is here. Doom, doom, doom.

1:13:21Chad Johnson:All that ain't necessary. Yeah.

1:13:24Shannon Sharpe:All that ain't necessary. No, no, no. Horace Tidwell said, Ocho, check your messages on the gram, sent you a photo when you hopped that CJ2K Celebrate Celebrity Game in 2018. You dropped 12 points on T-Mac. Yeah. Hey, you

1:13:41Joe Johnson:next, Joe. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow down, T-Mac. Slow down, T-Mac. Slow down. See, everybody keep looking at the big three and not understanding that I was handicapped and not being able to do what I want to do, but when I played against T-Mac. Me and T-Mac went at each other the whole game. It was just me and him. And I was able to score 12. T-Mac, like you, he tall. But once he wingspan, I was like, okay, it's going to be difficult to get around him. But Joe, I'm so quick off the dribble. That's the only way. And once I lower that shoulder and put that chicken wing on you, to create a little space like Melo do on that little

1:14:17Chad Johnson:nitty, I'm able to get to

1:14:18Joe Johnson:my spot, Joe. I can't talk the game of basketball, but I know how to maneuver on the court to be able to create space, Joe. That's why I talk the way I do, even though it's what you do. I'm not going to beat you, Joe. I just need to score two or three points just to let you know I'm on the same type of time you're on,

1:14:37Chad Johnson:even though I didn't play your sport. That's what I'm saying. That's not going to be possible. We all know that you ain't going to beat me. And my point exactly is that I can't let you score no bucket, bro. I'm sorry. I'm not going to let you score no bucket.

1:14:51Joe Johnson:Joe, you're not going to be able to stop me, Joe. and that's with all due respect, I'm going to score a.2 or maybe three, Joe, because I'm so good off the dribble, Joe. I know you one of the best. I know you up for the Hall of Fame. I done seen your ISO game. I done seen you face a dude up and cook him and drop him like he tripped over his shoelace. I done seen it, Joe. I done seen you back somebody down, Joe, in the paint, huh? Lean back on him and come back out and hit the jumper, Joe. I done seen it. I done seen you pull up, pop and shoot from three, Joe. I know what you can do, Joe. I studied your game.

1:15:32Joe Johnson:I studied you, Joe. I know your movements. I know what you're going to do before you even do it, Joe. I done did my homework. That's why I'm talking to you the way I'm doing. I'm talking to you crazy because I done studied you, Joe, and I'm ready. I'm ready for the test. You hear my basketball talk, you hear my basketball knowledge. I can't talk about the game, but I got to talk about what I can do to you. That's the difference.

1:15:55Chad Johnson:Okay. Okay. I love the passion that you come with, Ocho. You know, it's real cute and whatnot. But you ain't got a chance, brother. I'm going to do this one here for the people, okay? Hey, I'm going to do this one here strictly for the people, man. Strictly for the people, yeah. So, you know, just let you know. Just let you know, bro. But I like the confidence, though. The confidence is top tier.

1:16:22Shannon Sharpe:I just said, if y 'all wasn't with us after the Big Three retired, don't hop on the bad wagon now. It's been a long 12 years since we went honking. We deserve this. Hold on. Who is this? I guess they're talking about – oh, you're talking about the Spurs? Or they're talking about the Heat? I'm talking about Tim and Tony. And Tim and Tony. Oh.

1:16:44Chad Johnson:Oh. All right, no.

1:16:47Shannon Sharpe:It's been longer than 12 years.

1:16:49Chad Johnson:It's been a minute. They went to the championship game.

1:16:53Shannon Sharpe:They went to the... Yeah, but they went to the... They was in the Western Conference Finals. It was at 20 KD's first year. Oh, my bad. Is it fair to say Wimby is the best player in the league already? No, it's not fair to say. Yeah.

1:17:16Shannon Sharpe:I mean, you could say it, but I don't know. So me, honestly, healthy, I'm not taking him over Giannis right now, and I'm not taking him over Yoke right now. And I'm not taking him over Shea right now.

1:17:29Chad Johnson:He need another couple years. Give him another couple years.

1:17:32Shannon Sharpe:But it won't be long. Nah. It won't be long. Thank God I'm black. Can we say happy birthday to my boo Kim? She's been a Bengals fan since I've known her, so go easy on her. Kim, happy birthday, but I don't know what you're thinking. Right. If you're from Cincinnati or your dad or your brother played for the Bengals, you ain't got no business to root for. Trippin'. They ain't giving you nothing to root for.

1:18:00Chad Johnson:Yeah, Kim, trippin'. Happy birthday, Kim.

1:18:02Shannon Sharpe:But happy birthday, Kim. Nonetheless, you deserve this your day, so we're going to let you slide. We're going to let it slide, Kim. Happy birthday. Hopefully you did something fun, you know.

1:18:14Shannon Sharpe:Bro, I hope you did something fun for Kim. and get a new team. Right. That's what you should have got for a birthday. Keontae Ely, what's up, Nightcap Crew? Can I get a birthday shout-out? Up from the 9-1-2 from Claxton, Georgia, born and raised. That's what I'm talking about, 9-1-2. Claxton, the fruitcake capital of the world. Claxton Portrait Plant. That's what I'm talking about. 9-1-2. We're in the house. Since the kid, what's up, Nightcap Legends? Pick four sports rivalry, professional and collegiate, to be on Mount Rushmore. For me, Duke, North Carolina, gotta be. Gotta be, Ocho.

1:19:03Ohio State, Michigan, Auburn, Alabama.

1:19:13Shannon Sharpe:and either Packers, Bears, or Ravens, Steelers.

1:19:23What you got, Ocho?

1:19:34Claressa Shields:I'm trying to think.

1:19:37Chad Johnson:Hold on, we talking NBA too? Yeah, you talking professional collegiate.

1:19:42Joe Johnson:Give me that question one more time.

1:19:45Shannon Sharpe:Where's your nightcap pick four sport rivalries, professional and college, to be on Mount Rushmore?

1:19:50Joe Johnson:Mount Rushmore, rivalries, that's a good one. Duke and it's NC, right? Obviously.

1:19:57Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, Tar Heel.

1:19:59Joe Johnson:NFL, I'm going to go. Damn, what's the biggest rivalry? Especially right now.

1:20:06Shannon Sharpe:Pittsburgh Ravens Green Bay Green Bay Chicago

1:20:11Joe Johnson:Green Bay Chicago

1:20:13Chad Johnson:Cowboy Giants

1:20:15Joe Johnson:Is it really a rivalry right now Damn it Dominic My bad Alright yeah Duke Carolina Chicago Green Bay Basketball what Knicks and who Bulls no not no more would there even be a rivalry today?

1:20:39Shannon Sharpe:Y 'all talking current rivals? You can pick any I mean a lot of people you know I see the chat they're talking about Lakers and the Celtics but that hadn't popped off since Kobe

1:20:53Chad Johnson:but it take you back to what you were doing Hey Uncle Joe baseball

1:20:58Joe Johnson:I'm gonna go Yankees Red Sox yeah

1:21:09Joe Johnson:Ooh, hold on. I'm going to add one more. I'm going to take it to soccer. Y 'all might not know about it, but I got like a half and half. Celtic versus Rangers or Boca Juniors versus River. Now, some people in the chat will understand what I'm talking about when it comes to rivalries. Others might not.

1:21:35Shannon Sharpe:What you got, Joe?

1:21:37Chad Johnson:I'm going Bulls, Knicks. That was a rivalry in the 90s, fellas.

1:21:49Chad Johnson:I'm going my Cowboys and Giants.

1:21:59Chad Johnson:What other sports I got? Baseball?

1:22:04Chad Johnson:baseball and what

1:22:06Shannon Sharpe:you can pick any sport I mean you know you got Federer Nadal Federer Djokovic Nadal you got Alcaraz Center you got Chris Everett and Martina

1:22:25Joe Johnson:I know it ain't supposed to be funny somebody in the chat said about US versus Iran

1:22:32I'm just kidding.

1:22:37Shannon Sharpe:Tyron Reed said D Fox really holding it together. He's the fastest guy to lead with the ball in his hands. That Joe Quick, man.

1:22:45Chad Johnson:Yeah, and when he plays well when he plays well, Uncle Hocho they almost impossible to beat. It's just a nice he don't play well with it. Yeah. Cat Quick. Go ahead, Joe.

1:22:56Shannon Sharpe:What do you want to say?

1:22:57Chad Johnson:No, I say he cat Quick. He too much. T.S.

1:23:02Shannon Sharpe:Car Watch Detail Service. How could not the MVP discussion? Explain that. You seen their record?

1:23:10Chad Johnson:How come who not MVP discussion?

1:23:12Shannon Sharpe:Kawhi. Have you seen, hey, hey, hey, hey, you see their record?

1:23:18Chad Johnson:He got some, hey, his numbers look good, but the team's success, they didn't get him far enough.

1:23:28Shannon Sharpe:Almighty James, Ocho, do you value films or numbers more? Do you value film or numbers?

1:23:35Joe Johnson:Numbers only tell half the story. I prefer film. Even though so many people obviously rely on stats to use as preference or context when talking about specific players, numbers don't tell the whole story. Film gives you everything you need to see. Everything you need to see.

1:23:55Chad Johnson:That film don't lie for it.

1:23:58Shannon Sharpe:Eric Jordan Scott, so let me get this straight. Ravens lose two, lose twice to the Steelers this year, miss the playoffs, have multiple roster deficiencies, and they're trading away first-round picks. Ravens are a delusional organization. They feel that they still have quality offense. Look, so that doesn't mean they can't have a draft. That doesn't mean, I mean, basically, yeah, you get a first-round pick, but your team is made. Look at all the picks that they've made. Okay, Lamar's a first-round pick. Who's the other first-round pick? Flowers, offensively. Derrick Henry was a second-round pick.

1:24:37Shannon Sharpe:You don't think you can find value in the second round?

1:24:42Shannon Sharpe:The free agency, that don't mean they can't get anybody else in free agency. I still think they got some money. I still think they're going to restructure some contracts. It all depends on what's available. We'll start to know more. When does the league year start? Wednesday?

1:25:21Shannon Sharpe:Okay. Yeah. Friends to start tomorrow. So we'll know. We'll see what's. Yeah.

1:25:28Shannon Sharpe:Daniel Wells I wish people quit saying the Vikes should bring back Cousins we've been down that road before and we know what his playoff ceiling is and it's very low it's more than just about getting J.J. his yard you're right but if you bring him back why are you worried about him starting if J.J. is your guy I mean McCarthy that is if McCarthy is what you say Cousins shouldn't be able to beat him out So you should be clear. You just got a solid backup on your roster. There you go. Unless you don't believe McCarthy is in.

1:26:06Shannon Sharpe:Say it. J underscore cool cat. What's up, gang? Hope y 'all doing well. Right now, who y 'all taking? Jokic, Wimby, and why? Jokic.

1:26:16Joe Johnson:Even with the way Wimby's playing though? Yep.

1:26:19Chad Johnson:Like right now, yeah. Yeah. Right now, I'm taking Jokic.

1:26:23Shannon Sharpe:Come back in a couple of years, I might have a different opinion. But right now?

1:26:32Chad Johnson:Yeah, old Joe.

1:26:32Joe Johnson:I like it, I like it, I like it. Hey, hey, Unc. Hey, Joe.

1:26:37Chad Johnson:What's that?

1:26:38Joe Johnson:What you call a blind chicken?

1:26:44Shannon Sharpe:Oh, what do you call a blind chicken?

1:27:05Shannon Sharpe:I don't know what you call it.

1:27:07Joe Johnson:You call it a blind chicken, a hicken because it can't see.

1:27:12Shannon Sharpe:A hicken?

1:27:15Joe Johnson:A hicken because it can't see. The sea is gone. So it's a hicken because it can't see. or Blanche?

1:27:26Shannon Sharpe:JB Concerts, SS. Who's winning a race between ISO and Ocho? A race?

1:27:31Chad Johnson:What kind of race?

1:27:34Shannon Sharpe:I guess they're talking about a race.

1:27:37Chad Johnson:He probably give me right now because my wheel bad, but my wheel right? Ocho! Ocho! Yeah, I give him. Yeah. What?

1:27:48Claressa Shields:What? What? So now you can beat me running? Yeah.

1:27:55Joe Johnson:See, I was very respectful in saying, I can't beat you in basketball. I can score a point. But here you go being delusional. Talk about you can beat me running. Come on, Joe.

1:28:07Chad Johnson:I seen that one dude hawk you down in that arena thing. What's the little mascot man that be chasing people around the thing? Oh, freeze. Yeah, I seen freeze.

1:28:17Joe Johnson:Yo, you saw the video, you watched the video, right? Do you not see me jogging? I'm in second gear the whole time. I ain't even open up. He ain't wanna pull nothing. Freeze came and got him though, Joe. I was relaxing, I was relaxing. You know what I look like when I'm running for real. I'm just glad and I'm openly stride. I was chilling.

1:28:38Shannon Sharpe:But that's the thing, you ain't wanna pull nothing. The last thing you wanna do is have that thing grab.

1:28:42Joe Johnson:Yeah.

1:28:44Shannon Sharpe:It's a wrap.

1:28:45Claressa Shields:And I ain't, Joe Cho, we can't be pulling nothing, man. I'm good. Hey, Joe, whenever you're ready, Joe, whenever you're ready, Joe, I'll give you 50 beats. Wait, wait, wait, wait, we ain't got to compete in the knowledge.

1:28:55Joe Johnson:Oh, yeah, that's what I thought. That's what I thought.

1:28:58Shannon Sharpe:Paula Smalls, Winthrop University, has a homecoming king and a homecoming queen because there's not a football team.

1:29:08Joe Johnson:Maybe, hey, maybe Joe, them football team was bad. They had to switch it to basketball.

1:29:11Chad Johnson:No, no, no. We had a good football team, too. Chill, chill, chill. just checking

1:29:17Shannon Sharpe:Laney Ray says uh damn Laney where you been we ain't heard from you in a minute hey guys at my high school in Minnesota anyone could be homecoming queen or king we voted for the court and the winners no one had to be in sports to win okay so I mean that's like that's like nah hell nah you had to be I'm trying to think I think no you had to be you had to be a player yeah

1:29:43Chad Johnson:nah nah not at Not at, uh...

1:29:45Claressa Shields:Oh, yeah, that's old boy, John.

1:29:47Chad Johnson:Not at my school, man. You did not have to be... I'm telling y 'all, man.

1:29:50Joe Johnson:I just realized, you know what your school was like? Like the school Napoleon Dynamite and Pedro went to.

1:29:57Chad Johnson:Hey, listen, listen. Hold on, let me tell y 'all something. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, listen. It's a HBO special in my school with D Little Rock Central. Y 'all need to go look it up. HBO special? Go look it up. It's a special. D Little Rock Central, the Little Rock Nine. You need to go look it up. you need to watch it tonight.

1:30:14Joe Johnson:Hey, so that mean your school was like Eastside High and lean on me, huh? Bay Eastside.

1:30:20Chad Johnson:High. Yeah.

1:30:22Shannon Sharpe:Oh, your school got integrated. Your school with the 90 got integrated, Joe?

1:30:25Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, see, my school was a school that made it possible, bro, for y 'all, for us to go to school with the whites.

1:30:36Joe Johnson:OK, OK.

1:30:37Chad Johnson:That's dope.

1:30:38Joe Johnson:That's dope.

1:30:39Chad Johnson:Ocho, Ocho, Real Talk, Lil Rock 9, man. Go look it up.

1:30:42Joe Johnson:I'm going to check it out. Hold on, you're right. Let me put that in my notes real quick.

1:30:47Chad Johnson:Well, you're going to learn something today.

1:30:50Shannon Sharpe:But y 'all still ain't had no football team. You had to win. You had to be something. You couldn't be the homecoming king. How you going to be the homecoming king and you ain't play no sport? Hell no.

1:30:57Chad Johnson:Sit your ass down. We had a football homecoming. So, you know, they got to have a king and queen. Then we have a basketball homecoming. Y 'all don't see these colleges have homecomings, man.

1:31:11Shannon Sharpe:I don't know where y 'all be at. Vanessa Smith was the first black homecoming queen at my school. Are they talking about Vanessa Williams? Oh, I was the first black homecoming queen. Okay, my bad, Vanessa.

1:31:26Chad Johnson:I was like, she was the first black homecoming queen.

1:31:31Shannon Sharpe:Gee, I don't remember that. Well, we used to have a black and a white homecoming queen, but they cut that out. and we ain't have no more black homecoming queens.

1:31:43Chad Johnson:Wow. Wow.

1:31:52Shannon Sharpe:Jeremy Alexander, King Joe, when are you going to give Michael Beasley that work? I mean, it can happen

1:31:59Joe Johnson:sooner than later. Hey, wait a minute. Let's not do that. Don't get too ahead of yourself. You already got one animal you got to deal with right here. Don't worry about Beasley. worry about 8-5 that's what you need to worry about because I already gave BZ that work let's stay focused let's stay aligned and in one accord one band one sound ISO Joe and Ocho I don't want to hear nothing about else nobody else's name

1:32:30Chad Johnson:boy you making it real hard on yourself you got the right one Joe

1:32:34Joe Johnson:you got the right one

1:32:35Shannon Sharpe:8-28 style What's up, Ojo and Iso? Yo, Iso, them Arkansas State Patrol be having homecoming kings to at the pit a car at 150 miles an hour, don't they?

1:32:50Chad Johnson:He talking about the Arkansas Highway? Yeah. Man, listen, Georgia Highway, Arkansas Highway, boy, you better stay off them highways thinking you slick now. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:33:05Shannon Sharpe:Mauricio Zapata, your top five tight ends all time. Kelsey, Gronk.

1:33:14Shannon Sharpe:Oh, he said I am or I'm going to let him know. Oh, I was going to say I was going to name him for you, Mauricio. I'm in there. I mean, if I'm not, I guess I did what I did. I ain't too shabby. I ain't trading my career for nobody. Right. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, I made a look here. Look, I get it. I get it. I get Shakur wanting to show support for Clarissa. I get Clarissa, you know,

1:33:45Shannon Sharpe:saying, you know, hey, Roger said we don't know anything about boxing. I don't know. I might not know a jab from an uppercut to a lead to a pull counter. I might not know any of that. I just know a woman's not beating a trained male fighter. That's what I do know. Hatch 135. 35, is it possible to be too cocky when it relates to Clarissa Shields? Because this is not the first statement like this. She's entitled to her opinion. I just happen to disagree with it. I don't know why people get so upset. When you put something out, Ocho, it's kind of like when you put something on social media and then when people comment on it, you get upset when you put it for public consumption.

1:34:22Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, but everybody's not going to agree with you also.

1:34:24Joe Johnson:You're going to have some people that agree with you and you're going to have some people that don't. You know, those that are on your side, you know, they wouldn't say it publicly. They might agree with you. but behind closed doors, like, come on now. Yeah. Come on, twin. Come on now.

1:34:43Claressa Shields:28 style, A8, Carissa beat you. Me? Yeah, yeah.

1:34:48Joe Johnson:Yeah, she'll whoop me, boy. She'll put her hands on me, boy. You see where? I don't want no smoke. Matter of fact, Carissa beat every male in this chat that is not a trained fighter. Any casual walk on the street.

1:34:59Chad Johnson:Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. yeah hey joe she'll whoop you too joe well i mean hey joe in that boxing ring with head

1:35:06Joe Johnson:gear on three minute rounds she will put everybody that is not a train going i ain't going i ain't going okay hey joe hey let me tell you something joe hey joe listen when she gets your ass in them deep waters when she gets in them deep waters and you can't hold your hands up and your shoulders burning because you're not used to having your hands up to protect yourself yeah okay all right I know you think about, oh, it's a woman. Oh, I get in there. Nah, boy. It's a different ballgame in that ring, I'm telling you.

1:35:34Chad Johnson:Man, I ain't going. I mean, you and Unc may think she can whoop him, but nah, I ain't going. I done got it.

1:35:40Shannon Sharpe:I'm a granddad.

1:35:41Chad Johnson:I ain't going.

1:35:45Shannon Sharpe:Beating a granddad ain't saying too much. Now, I would say this. She called me in my

1:35:53Claressa Shields:20s and 30s. We have a different conversation.

1:35:56Joe Johnson:Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, it's different than that ring boy with them three minutes on. Boy, you put that hair girl on in that bell ring?

1:36:05Chad Johnson:I already know. Hey, look, I commend boxers, bro, but if you trying to tell me she can whoop my ass. Yeah, yeah.

1:36:14Claressa Shields:Nah, I ain't going. I tell you, when you get tired, it's a wrap. Ain't, listen, Joe, ain't no towel. Ain't no time out.

1:36:20Chad Johnson:Well, I plan on finishing her. Hey, look, I ain't never hit no girl in my life, but I plan on finishing her before I get too tired. That one time I tell you. Joe. Yeah.

1:36:32Joe Johnson:Hey, it sounds easy. Man, you won't understand too getting that way.

1:36:40Shannon Sharpe:Man, y 'all go six foot eight Aquarius. Who's the greatest quarterback to ever play for one team? Elway or Mahomes? And I'm going with seven. Man, what you call Mahomes ain't giving me no rings?

1:36:55Shannon Sharpe:Steven Garcia hey Unk ISO if Ocho was the main event card with Jon Jones who's winning man come on man ain't no man who the main event card is with Jon Jones he winning I wouldn't even sign up for that

1:37:13Joe Johnson:listen hey Joe as delusional as I am thinking I can do everything I am not no no

1:37:21Claressa Shields:that's too much he's a different kind of animal man That's too much.

1:37:32Shannon Sharpe:We did? Okay. 10 ,000 away. Oh, 10 ,000? 10 ,000. 10 ,000 away from 2 million subs.

1:37:40Chad Johnson:Oh, man.

1:37:47Shannon Sharpe:Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. We greatly, greatly appreciate that. Y 'all know who I am. I am your favorite unk. That is my partner and co-host, bingo great pro bowler, all pro. That is Chad Ochocinco Johnson. And the third member of the big three joining us. Y 'all know him. University of Arkansas alum, seven-time NBA all-star from the Atlanta Hawks and was recently nominated for the Basketball Hall of Fame. That is, oh, oh, not Ochocinco. You ain't nominated for no Basketball Hall of Fame. Your ass can't play no basketball. I sold Joe Johnson. What's that, dude?

1:38:20Shannon Sharpe:Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. Do us a favor, go subscribe to the Nightcap Podcast feed wherever you get your podcasts from. Thank you guys for your support. We greatly, greatly appreciate it. Those looking to purchase a bottle of Shea by LaPortier and it's currently not available in a state or city near you, head to LaPortierCognac.com to order you a bottle, the best tasting cognac on the market. Please drink responsibly and be safe. As you watch the Spurs blow out the Rockets by the score of 145-120, The Spurs plays four guys with at least 20 points and had 56 points in the paint.

1:38:56Shannon Sharpe:And the Lakers beat the Knicks by 13. Luka Doncic has 35 points. And Austin Reeves has 25 as they win going away without LeBron James in the lineup tonight, who is nursing an injured elbow and arthritic left foot. That concludes this episode of Night Count. I'm Unk. He's Ocho. He's Aiso. We'll see you tomorrow night. Happy International Women's Day. all the women out there. Thank you so much for your support.

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