In short
Postgame/rumor sports talk focused on De’Aaron Fox criticism (and Knicks’ OG Anunoby plays), plus Celtics–Giannis trade speculation, and LeBron James’ “grey beard”/grooming and golf lock-in.
Guests/backgrounds
The episode is hosted by Tav Ramos (Inside American Soccer) and features Mitch Johnson (NBA coach/analyst voice in the Fox segment) alongside recurring co-hosts/speakers “Ocho” and “Joe” who discuss basketball strategy and personal coaching experiences.
Key claims
- Fox is getting unfair heat but must improve late-game decisions; the team will “show up and play tomorrow.”
- Celtics could pursue Giannis; rumor says Boston would trade Jalen Brown (Jason Tatum reportedly untouchable) and keep Tatum.
- Giannis’ injury history and contract/deal timing are the biggest risks.
- LeBron is leaning into salt-and-pepper grooming and using golf time to sharpen his game.
Notable examples
Fox/OG late-game sequence (block and tip-in), Celtics–Mavericks Finals context, and a reported three-team Giannis trade framework involving Brown and Atlanta.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
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0:00 to 14:03
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Reminiscing Tough Practices
14:03 to 17:34
The hosts share stories from their challenging practice experiences and coaching styles.
“Because, you know, they want a touchdown.”
Old School Coaching Methods
17:35 to 20:02
Discussion about the rigorous training methods of old school coaches and their impact.
“So he coached my mom, all my uncles, and he coached me and my brother.”
Old School Coaching Methods
21:31 to 21:59
Discussion about the rigorous training methods of old school coaches and their impact.
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Old School Coaching Methods
22:17 to 22:31
Discussion about the rigorous training methods of old school coaches and their impact.
“Same day delivery for most internet eligible customers.”
Resilience and Determination
23:04 to 25:39
Exploring the mindset of perseverance in sports and life.
“Hey, you can go to another school in two weeks, a week.”
Coaching and Communication
25:40 to 28:00
Discussing the dynamics of coaching styles and player-coach relationships.
“If you add something, you got to put the, okay, this, add the one.”
Coaching Styles and Relationships in Sports
28:00 to 36:50
Explore the dynamics of coaching styles and the impact on player relationships.
“Hey, I went to the cafeteria, ate my dinner.”
Giannis Trade Rumors Heat Up
42:26 to 45:12
Discussion about the potential trade of Giannis Antetokounmpo to Boston and its implications.
“Kevin O 'Connor reignited the Giannis trade discourse with an eye-opening update on the Celtics' interest in the Milwaukee Bucks superstar.”
Jalen Brown's Value and Trade Speculations
45:12 to 47:28
Exploration of Jalen Brown's trade value and recent performance amidst trade rumors.
“You've never heard Jason Tatum name mentioned in any trade, have you?”
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Nostalgia in NBA History
47:28 to 49:44
A nostalgic look back at memorable NBA moments and teams through the years.
“Because they understood his value, they said, you know what?”
Three-Team Trade Discussion
49:44 to 54:30
Analysis of a potential three-team trade involving Giannis, Jalen Brown, and others.
“Then the Supersonic, I think the Supersonic, no, the Bullets won in 78, and then the Supersonic, I think, went in 79.”
Three-Team Trade Discussion
54:33 to 55:28
Analysis of a potential three-team trade involving Giannis, Jalen Brown, and others.
“Everyone has free phones, but when I switched to T-Mobile, I got more value and so much more.”
Transcript
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2:56Shannon Sharpe:there's been a lot of heat on De 'Aaron Fox in the last 48 hours let's take a listen to Mitch Johnson and Fox had to say about all this criticism Mitch looking back too was there anything that could have been done differently on OG's tip in after looking at the film and also De 'Aaron's getting a lot of heat for decisions that he made in the game is that difficult to hear knowing that all he did to get you guys to help get you guys in this position yeah you know I can't speak for everybody else. You know, I don't get into social media. I think I've probably been fired 212 times, and we traded Fox 72 times.
3:33Shannon Sharpe:And, you know, unfortunately, we still got to show up and play tomorrow, and I got to coach. So the people that matter, we bond together. We stick together through the highs and lows. And, you know, we were, I think, chosen to be in the play-in. And so there's a lot of things that happened. Fox and I were fortunate enough to experience All-Star Weekend together. We got a lot of positive after that. And we lost a tough game in the finals that we had a lot to do with in terms of we had control to walk that thing down. And that's what comes with the job. That's not more or less. And, you know, people have their opinions here.
4:14Shannon Sharpe:They say, I don't care. I care what the people that matter in our building and our organization in that locker room, that they know how I feel. and I hear them and how they feel. And De 'Aaron Fox will have the best ball in his hands at the end of the game. And I have nothing but the utmost confidence that he's going to deliver like he's done countless times for us. It's not like people have my phone number and call me. Like, I mean, I don't watch those shows. I don't, it doesn't matter. It is what it is. Can't change it now. And I was just coming up yelling at you in your face about it. So it is what it is.
4:46We're trying to move on from that. Obviously, continue to learn from the mistakes that we made and how we lost a leader, how we finished the game poorly. But we think about the next game.
5:00Chad Johnson:Man, that's hard to believe, fellas. In this day and time, you hear every damn thing that's said about you. Of course. Always. Always. But obviously, your coaches are going to always back you. Your coaches are going to say things in front of camera. He's going to be politically correct. Darian Fox and his answer, you hear everything. people don't need to be in your face because social media they make sure it get to you one way or another if it don't get to you from us it get to us from the closest person to you they gonna mention it you got homeboys you got homeboys they gonna mention it that's just the way it is
5:31Shannon Sharpe:in general hey bro you alright yeah
5:40that's my homeboy hey hold on they making fun of me hey boy you sorry as hell Yo, what?
5:45Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Need a game, they on you.
5:49Shannon Sharpe:Oh yeah. Yeah, hey. Hey, as a matter of fact, I told a story one time, hey, Burr told me, said, man, dude called, said, man, he said, man, tell a shot to lighten up on me, man. That was been 30 years ago. He said, he ain't moved past that yet. No! I ain't gonna get over it. And I know we can't get that game back, but still. I still feel some type of way about it. It's the... Mistakes happen. is to repeat.
6:20Shannon Sharpe:It's to repeat. Even the last play, think about it. They were so out of position, everybody was scrambling. Because they tried, first of all, it seemed like they were trying, I don't know if that was the plan, because if you go back and look at the top, always the guy, the most dangerous guy on the play is the guy that's taking the ball out of bounds. Go back and look at the North Carolina shot that that guy hit. Who hit this three-point shot, Joe. He was the guy that took the ball out of bounds. He was the last one to come up the court, and what did the guy do? He kicked it to him, and he stepped in two or three.
6:52Shannon Sharpe:The guy that tipped the ball in, you know OG has a nobody who threw the ball in. So I don't know if this was a plan, but it looked like Fox was about to leave OG, and kind of got half a haul in between to try to go double Brunson.
7:06Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah, he was.
7:07Shannon Sharpe:But in the process of that, I mean, now everybody's out of kilter. Yeah. So now OG have a clear path. He's tracking the ball. They're like, well, hey, do I go block me out? Let me go.
7:20Chad Johnson:Hey man, listen. OG had two of the biggest plays in finals history. The block and the damn tip in. Hey, that man has been unbelievable. But for Fox, there's no way around it, fellas. He gotta be better, man. He gotta be better down the stretch. Simple as that. It just ain't no if, ands or bust about it, man. Take that accountability and come out because, obviously, it's still a fight to be fought. You got to come out and try to do whatever you can to win this game five at home. And I don't have a problem with Mitch Johnson.
7:54Shannon Sharpe:He bears some culpability too because I'm going to call a timeout and I'm going to get in there you know what. Hey, stop shooting them damn threes. We don't need threes with 18 seconds on the clock. Get the clock on. Listen, I don't want anybody, unless you got a dunk or a layup, if you shoot that ball before 10 seconds, I'm going to snatch your ass out of the game.
8:13Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you got to look, man. Look at the clutch free throws that Wimby missed. He missed two free throws down the stretch. Yes! Joe, you didn't hear that?
8:25Shannon Sharpe:If you'd have turned the sound up, you'd heard that. That's his knees knocking. All you had to do was turn the ball you up. You heard his knees knocking.
8:35Chad Johnson:Hey.
8:36Shannon Sharpe:Man, man, hey, I done seen Bridges wobble less in an earthquake than what Wimby Knees was wobbling at that fair free throw line. Y 'all better stop. Hey, hey. I don't feel bull jive. You know it. I've been in big time games, and I know.
8:54Chad Johnson:Yeah, hey, hey, hey, hey. Them pressure free throws. Yeah.
9:00Shannon Sharpe:Hey, that ball's been like, Lord, have mercy. Whoo. Lord, please don't let me drop him. Hey, I'm saying prayer, walking to the line. Lord, if you throw me the ball, please let me catch it. I said, Lord, you let me catch this ball, I promise you I'll be your most trusted servant.
9:18Hey.
9:19Shannon Sharpe:Hey. It happens. You understand the moment. And if you've never been in those situations, you don't know how you'll respond until you're in a situation. Everybody say, oh, this is what I would have done, or this is what I would have done. Well, until you're in that situation, you don't know what you would have done.
9:41Chad Johnson:Absolutely. Absolutely. You don't.
9:45Shannon Sharpe:You have to be in a situation where Ocho got to catch the game-winning touchdown, or he needs that catch to keep that drive alive. So I don't know if he'll catch it or not. I'm like, you know what, Ocho going to catch it. But until we put Ocho in the fourth quarter with under two minutes to go, and it's fourth down, and they throw it in his direction, right okay now he knows in that moment i've been here i've done that before i do this in my sleep yeah yeah you see what you know why jordan was so clutch because as a freshman dean smith put the ball in his hand when he had big time big game james worthy on the floor who was a junior who was an All-American.
10:27Yeah.
10:29Shannon Sharpe:They had Sam Perkins. They had Brad Doherty. They had Jimmy Black. They had all those guys on the floor. But he trusted an 18-year-old. Swing, swing, swish.
10:41Chad Johnson:Cash.
10:41Shannon Sharpe:He did that as a 17-year-old. So as a 23-year-old, as a 25-year-old, as a 27-year-old, tell me what you think and he thinking. I'm going to make this damn shot. Yeah. Cut to it. Yeah. There are very few players. There are very, very, very few players who are big in moments where it matters most where they're comfortable being uncomfortable.
11:07Chad Johnson:Right. They're comfortable being uncomfortable.
11:11Shannon Sharpe:You hear me say it all the time, Joe. My grandfather used to tell my brother now, he said, boys, if I take y 'all somewhere, I expect you all to be able to get back. Yeah. You take a big shot. You make a big shot. Tell me what the expectations are. You don't think Steph Curry in those moments think he's not going to make that shot? Yeah. And all the shots, because he's done it. Yeah, yeah. John put me in that situation. I'm going to make the play. Yeah. Because I've made it before.
11:36Chad Johnson:Yep.
11:36Shannon Sharpe:And I believe I can get back again.
11:38Chad Johnson:Yep. And another thing, hell, you go over these late game situations and practice so much, bro.
11:45Shannon Sharpe:Yes.
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11:45Chad Johnson:Like, you know, I got my fair share of game winners, but all my game winners, bro, I'm about they were plays that were ran and that were positioned for me to get the ball in certain moments and to attack a certain way so you you go over those you go over them so much bro it's just it's second nature once the game comes you know it seems like everything starts to slow down toward the end of the game plus when your coaches and your teammates believe in you and they believe you really gonna make the shot it puts you know i don't think it don't it never put any pressure on me, it just put the belief in me that I could really do it.
12:21Chad Johnson:You know what I mean? And I went out every chance I got. I ain't make every damn last game winning shot. But for the majority, I went out and I felt confident about every shot that I took.
12:33Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, you know what it's like. Hey, throw Sharpie the ball. Man, throw Ocho the ball. Hey, what we got for Ocho? To hear your offensive lineman say throw Ocho the ball. Throw Sharpie the ball. Yeah. They don't even know nothing about no damn play. All they're looking for is the protection. They're looking for red. Are we lizard? Are we ripping? Yeah. Are we redirected? Yeah. Are we mollying? What are we doing? That's all they care about. All that other stuff, flank a drive and 24 double this and all that, don't give a damn about that.
13:05Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah. All they know, man, throw the ball to Sharpie. Hey, we need a play. Hey. Hey. They know we need a play. They know who to get that ball to. Well, it's as simple as that. Hey, you come in that huddle, it's tie game, or y 'all down one, and it ain't but like seven, eight seconds left, hey, they all looking at you like, hey, come on, baby, we need you. It's your time, it's your time. Hey, look, here you go, it's your time. Now, now it's my damn time. Now you want to throw that pressure on me. All right, come on, come on, yeah.
13:35Shannon Sharpe:That's what they ask you, hey, Sharpie, is that for you? Nah, that ain't for you. Hey, Ocho, they're like, what the hell? Who's it for, this, Sharpie?
13:48Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Yeah. Bro, I ain't huddled. I've been huddled just like you is. Right. But that's what gives you confidence. In practice, we got two minutes, or we going no huddle. Hey, let's throw it. Hey, Sharpie, let's end practice quick. Because, you know, they want a touchdown. I was like, bro, even if I scored a touchdown, you know Mike gonna make us go spot it down 10, 15 yards. He's gonna reset the ball. Yeah. And I'm gonna be pissed because I'm gonna be tired because I ran all the way to the end zone. Oh, first down. First down? That's a touchdown, man. Damn. I remember them days. Hey, Mocho, then I get an unsportsmanlike card.
14:37Shannon Sharpe:Man, come on, man. Y 'all some booze. Hey, Coach, at the end of practice, Joe, that two minute, Coach's gonna get every scenario possible. He's gonna create a scenario.
14:51Chad Johnson:Trust me, I know, old Joe. Boy.
14:53Shannon Sharpe:I hate that, man. I know. Oh, Joe, I don't know how y 'all did. I don't know how y 'all did. But we, two minute and no huddle was always at the end of practice. Yeah, that's what I said. Yeah, always, always. When you the most tired. Yeah. You're like, hey, you fresh? He's like, we not gonna open the game with too many. I need you late in the fourth quarter. I need you right before the half.
15:16Chad Johnson:Yeah.
15:17Shannon Sharpe:Oh man, we done.
15:20Chad Johnson:Oh yeah, oh yeah. You already know what time it is.
15:24Shannon Sharpe:Oh boy, it was a day, man. Getting back with the guys this weekend, I was just like, Lord, have mercy.
15:30Chad Johnson:And you think about all the work y 'all put in, the hard work, them tough days, boy.
15:36Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I think about the time that Mike started that damn practice over. They's like, man, you remember that? Man, I wanted to fight, Mike. Yeah, me too. How the hell you gonna start a practice up? We 10 minutes, 15 minutes from ending practice. This man start practice all the way back over, Joe, from stretching. Damn. We go all the way back to the top, stretching. Y 'all must be fucking up bad, bro.
15:59Chad Johnson:Hey, man, I done been in some practices with Uncle Ocho. My rookie year, I'll never forget, bro. We was on the West Coast, and we had lost bad. but it was three rookies on the team myself joe forte and kedrick brown man i'm trying to know the next day he let twan and paul and all the vets sleep in and he made just us three go to practice bro so we did i swear to god we did an hour and a half practice just us three three man weave you know getting getting up shots in a certain amount of time i'm talking about man just ran us in the ground bro i was like damn well i ain't never hey hey hey i'm talking about because Look, you know, in the NBA, back then, if you ain't played 20 minutes, you had to get extra cardio in.
16:40Chad Johnson:Hell, we all getting extra cardio in. I ain't playing but about 17 minutes, 15 minutes. Them dudes ain't even playing. Bro, that man got us out the bed. I'm talking about what's out. Do you hear me?
16:51Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. They don't practice like that anymore, Joe and Ocho. Yeah. Because I remember when we were in college, man, we went up there and stunk up the game. Coach Davis said, God damn home. He said, I don't want you to wash your goddamn thing because they ain't hit a damn soul. He said, I want everybody at that field with the same issue you had on the day because it ain't dirty. I'll see you at 1.
17:18Shannon Sharpe:Guess what? 1 o 'clock, we dressed in the same stuff that we played the game in that Saturday at the field practicing.
17:28Chad Johnson:Damn. Damn. Hey, that's one coach. Hey, he's sick of it. He's sick of it.
17:34Shannon Sharpe:What?
17:34Chad Johnson:Oh, yeah. Yeah.
17:36Shannon Sharpe:Well, look here. Coach Hall wasn't like that. Coach Hall was my mom's coach. So he coached my mom, all my uncles, and he coached me and my brother. Damn. My mom graduated in 60. I graduated in 86. So he coached my mom and he coached me. Not very many coaches. Now you ain't going to find very many coaches. Coach, mom, dad, and son. Hell nah.
18:01Chad Johnson:No, sir.
18:02Shannon Sharpe:So he wasn't like that. But boy, Bill Davis, boy, Bill Davis get butter from a duck. Coach Reeves, get it, get it.
18:13Chad Johnson:Yeah. Get it.
18:15Shannon Sharpe:He going to get it.
18:16Chad Johnson:Yeah.
18:17Shannon Sharpe:He said, Holmes, he said, I'm going to take you to the limit, and I'm going to bring you back real slow.
18:21Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah.
18:23Shannon Sharpe:Boy, three hours in that Savannah heat. if anybody from know about savannah and i'm saying that after talking about this 98 it's 98 100 with that humidity beaming down and you out there three hours and you we putting people on the ground i know that's better than working in the damn fields i don't know i don't i don't know but i don't know about anybody if anybody ever had a manual
18:49Chad Johnson:job where they work field labor your boy hey hey hey listen them old school coaches don't play man i'm talking about i'm telling you man nolan richardson bro that's the hardest i ever worked in my life okay oh when i was in college at arkansas oh you ever heard of 40 minutes of here oh yeah he got it out of you joe what oh joe i'm telling you man the first hour practice you You don't even touch no basketball, bro. It's just straight conditioning. The first hour? Man, the first hour. He won when you dead dog tired is when you get out there and you get to touch the ball, bro.
19:27Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. No water. Yo, I remember the tired coach. That man, we were so bad. Coach, that's a hell, nah. I promise you a water break. I lied. Get your ass out there. You can't do that now. Right. You can't, bro. You can't do that now. Boy, look here. Why don't we go hours?
19:45Chad Johnson:Yeah.
19:45Shannon Sharpe:I don't know the hell you need water for. You ain't did a damn thing all morning. Lord, start it over, coach. Hey,
19:55Chad Johnson:that's what them old school coaches want.
19:58Shannon Sharpe:You can't coach like that. Coach, get fired now. Kids are quit. Yeah. Copenhagen's spit-free pouches are packed full of American-grown tobacco. Made for welders. Stuck behind masks. More mechanics. Stuck on a fused spark plug. The long haul trucker stuck in gridlock. Performing, working late at the field office. Or anytime there's no time or space to spit, there's Copenhagen spit-free pouches. Find them in stores today. Not all varieties available in all geographies. Warning, this product can cause mouth cancer.
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23:03Chad Johnson:You know, quit wasn't even my vocabulary.
23:06Shannon Sharpe:It didn't even cross my mind to quit.
23:07Chad Johnson:Yeah, it's easy to quit now though. Hey, you can go to another school in two weeks, a week. Yeah, you're back on another roster.
23:14Shannon Sharpe:Quit and do what? Because at least I said, you know what? What's the worst can do? I'm gonna be out here for three hours at 100 plus degree temperature with the humidity at 90. Or I could take my ass back home and be out there in them fields for 12 hours. What please? For at 100 degree with 90 % humidity. Hmm. let me see which one I want to do.
23:40Chad Johnson:Right. Hey, I'm going to take this ass chewing all day long. All day. Because get what? This ain't nothing but a pit stop for me. I don't plan on being here too long now. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got a plan now. I got a plan. I probably ain't told you, but I got a plan.
23:55Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I got a plan now. But the thing was, Coach Davis said, look here. He said, son, if you coming here four years and getting an education can't improve your life, y 'all might as well just go on back home. Man. Because I just want to know what's at home that can improve your life while you there better than getting an education here.
24:17Chad Johnson:Hello. Hello. Now, Coach, I just want you to know,
24:22Shannon Sharpe:I ain't say this, I ain't really here for no education.
24:29Shannon Sharpe:My job is getting to the interfere. Mayor Porter sent me down here for two reasons. Yeah. She said, hey, the first reason for me I'm going to the next level. Now, I looked at it, Joe. I'm here. I said, how is it going to look? I'm here for four years. And I'm further from getting my degree when I leave than I was when I brought my ass here. So that wasn't even an option. That was my mindset. And like I said, I told Coach Davis early on, I said, Coach, the way I grew up, I can handle a lot. I said, but don't yell at me. I said I'm gonna do everything I possibly can because that's how I am now. Because I hated to get yelled at.
25:12Shannon Sharpe:My grandfather was a yeller. And it just broke my heart. And so that put me in a mind frame that I gotta get it right the first time. If I get it right the first time, he won't yell. Sometimes even when I got it right, he would still yell because I didn't do it like, even though it was right, I didn't do it like he told me to do it. So you had to do it like he told you to do it. You couldn't get it right. You're like, okay. Nah, no, no, no. Like if you add, let's just say for the sake of argument, give me an example, Joe and Ocho. If you add something, you got to put the, okay, this, add the one.
25:47Shannon Sharpe:If you don't add the one, what did I do? Didn't you see me put the one at the top? I got the same answer. And so coach never yelled at me, never. And when we had different offensive coordinators, he would tell him. He'd say, that one, you don't really address him, I'll handle him.
26:09Chad Johnson:Yeah.
26:11Shannon Sharpe:My junior year, we got a new offensive coordinator. He's like, okay, we're running routes. I'm always one. I was two. Squirrel, the other receiver on the other side, the X receiver, he was number three. I always started off squirrels behind me. I started off, we stopped, run to stop. Turn and go. Run out. Five yard, turn and go. two, slant, three, speed out, four, deep open. So,
26:43he said, run the three open, run the three.
26:47Shannon Sharpe:So you know what I'm saying, Ocho, the first time I speed out there, 10, roll to 12.
26:51Chad Johnson:Right, right.
26:53Shannon Sharpe:Run it again. I'm like, all right, I'm gung ho, you know. So this time, Ocho, I run it and break. I don't speed, cut it up and get up out of there. Yeah, run it again. So now I'm like, hold on. I speed this one, did that one. I'm gonna do it again. Hey, he knew he don't know me. I ran it again. I speed cut it again, Ocho. Yeah. Run it again. I say, I mean, what am I? I said, what, you know, I'm like, what am I doing wrong? He said, I said, run the mofo route again. What? Whoa, whoa, whoa, he say, run the ball full ride again. No, he didn't. No, he didn't. Whomp, whomp, I'm gone. Oh, he took it off?
27:43Shannon Sharpe:I took the shoulder pants and helmet off right there and there and walked out the field. Coach Davis said, hey, coach Davis said, home, where the hell you going? I pointed to the door. You know what he said? He said, I told you don't F with him. I talked to him. I was sitting up in my room. I done went down there, got me. Hey, I went to the cafeteria, ate my dinner. I'm sitting up in my room. I hear a knock. Hey, Joe, don't you all sit up in my room. Yeah. I hear a knock on the door. It's open. It's Coach Davis.
28:26Shannon Sharpe:I'm like, God damn home, you the leader. I said, Coach, I don't do that, Coach. I said, all he had, I asked him what I was doing wrong. He made me run the route three times without telling me what I was doing wrong. And then he gonna curse. He say, Oh, do me a favor. I said, what that coach? Yeah, he dead ass wrong. And I'm gonna chew his ass out when I get to the office. Well, can you apologize in front of the team?
28:56I said, okay coach. Hey, hold on, hold on. Hold on. How was y 'all relationship? You and the coach that did the cussing. How was y 'all relationship after that?
29:06Shannon Sharpe:I mean, we were cool, but it wasn't what it could have been. Right, right, right, right, right. Look, it's hard to explain, and the man ain't here to defend himself, so I'm going to leave it at that. But there's some stuff that happened that shouldn't have happened, but you know how it is. Hey, you got to realize, Ocho, now I got a brother in the league. Bro, I got one of the two most expensive cars, damn near Savannah. Yeah. I got, I get everything I want. When we go to the mall, like we start the Morrison's to go get something to eat, I'm the only one walking in the mall. I got$500 ,000 in my pocket.
29:47Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. I'm coming back with Macy's shopping bag, riches. Yeah. Come on, come on, now. Yeah. I go get anything I want.
29:56Chad Johnson:Yeah.
29:57Shannon Sharpe:So there was a lot of envy because – but I still worked my ass off. My brother told me, hey, bro, you score a touchdown, I'm going to see you$50. You get a 100-yard game, bro, I get four touchdowns in 200 yards. Yeah. My brother kept me with money because that's how I am now. I'm in a better situation. I take care of him. When he was in a better situation out of college, he took care of me. But I didn't do that, bro. All you had to do is just tell him and say, look, this is how I want you to run the route. But you're going to talk about I say run the mofo route again. Boy, I snapped that stuff off, so kick, whop, whop, gone.
30:35Chad Johnson:Hey. Hey, Uncle Ocho, I had to take it with a grain of salt. My thing is, see, I never said nothing back, and I think that helped me. You know, it's like because when a coach get on you, if you go to talking back, he really – he'll stay on your ass. Yeah. But if you don't say nothing, you act like he talking to a stop sign or something because that's how i used to do i like i hear you but i don't really acknowledge
31:00Shannon Sharpe:you you know what i mean because that was the only time joe huh but see you can like i said i don't do i didn't do that cursing because look my granny didn't curse me she didn't call me no sobs and no mofos and all that stuff okay okay now play who are and get screwed i'm not you i'm not I'm like, I'm not the one. I'll light your ass up. And when I got to the league, my position coach, I, hey, he started, I was like, you know, I get that like, and turn the head just slightly. Like, you know how a dog, we usually chuck it to a dog, and he turn his head slightly. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you talking to me?
31:39Chad Johnson:Yeah.
31:40Shannon Sharpe:Okay. Okay. Hey, Joe, you know, I was a complete opposite. You know, the way we was coached down there in the city, you know based on where I'm from coaching is a part of the way they coach it was yeah in general you know it's always cursing I have such a hard time being in a whole conversation and talk without cursing because it just it's you know the clip I showed y 'all man the year the bull with a person that the player yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so it's like that high school level you know when you're little peewee oh yeah for sure four or five years old Joe that's the way they talk to you get your ass over there and do it again so it was normal for me and on your end it's completely different but you ain't dealing with that look when I was growing up man they cuss you pick you up kick you in your butt hit you upside your damn head hit you upside your head I tolerate it But as I got older, Ocho, and I became a better player, I just felt you could – if he had told me, say, well, I don't want you to speed cut it.
32:52Shannon Sharpe:Or if I was speed cutting, he said, I want you to plant and break it down. If he had just told me what I was doing wrong, because I'm a visual learner. Yeah. So, like, when they draw stuff from the peninsula, well, Shannon, we want you to do it right this area. And I just tell my position coach, I said, I need you to write it down. I need you to draw it so I can see it.
33:11Chad Johnson:Yeah.
33:12Shannon Sharpe:That's how I mean, don't tell me. I need to see it. Yeah. But I had to ran the route so many times. Now, you got to realize, as a true sophomore, I'm a black college All-American. I'm conference player of the year. I'm offensive player of the year. And I'm first team all conference. Let that be. As a true sophomore, I'm conference player of the year as a wide receiver, Ocho. Not offensive player. I'm conference player of the year. Yeah. So he comes in. I got double-digit touchdown. No wide receiver had ever caught for 1 ,000 yards. In Savannah State history, I was the first. And I get it. I get now, looking back on it, I know what he's trying to do.
33:55Shannon Sharpe:If I get him, I'll have the rest of the team. Right. But you got to let me in on that. You need to tell me what you're trying to do. I'm not the one.
34:06Chad Johnson:Hey. Hey, it's so funny, Uncle Joe. and I mean, I can tell it now, is I was so used to a certain coaching style similar to what your coach, you know, who you got upset at. I was used to such a coaching style, Uncle Joe. Once I got to college, I had Eric Yarber. Yeah. Oregon State, who was a receiver coach with the Los Angeles Rams. And Yarbs, he was hard. He was hard. First, I say, man, listen, it's okay. I can take that. Now, if you want to use me as an example to be able to coach me hard, I'm all for it because I'm used to it because that's all I knew. when I got to the Bengals Hugh Jackson hey Joe Hugh cursing every other word Hugh my for curse words and then we had some other receiver coaches we had Alex Wood we had Mike Shepard and they were a little more soft spoken and I was like nah nah if I mess up man you need to get on this style so I would have to ask him man it's okay I prefer that I prefer that Even if it's not you, it's okay to do it.
35:09Because I respond better than that as opposed to being a soft spoke.
35:13Chad Johnson:Oh yeah.
35:14Shannon Sharpe:I've had coaches like Coach Turner. Coach Turner was old, old school. Coach Turner slapped five of you. Coach Turner, no, no, no. Coach, I've seen Coach Turner slap guys. I was like, ooh, damn. I said, man, let me just make sure I'm doing what I'm supposed to. See, that's why like, I really have to learn what I'm trying to, I really need to know everything. I need to know what X got to do, Y got to do, Z got to do. I need to know everybody's position because I know what it's like to have to go on the field and not really knowing what I got to do. And being in a situation in camp, Joe, I asked the guy what I had to do.
35:54Shannon Sharpe:He told me the wrong route. On purpose. I didn't think anything about it. We competing for the job. One of us going to make it. Eliminate the competition.
36:04Chad Johnson:Yeah.
36:04Shannon Sharpe:And you got this. Man, I read that thing. Aha! Wow! Sharp, what the hell are you doing? Take a run of the route. It's the wrong route. I say to myself, you dirty mofo. I said if I'm ever in that position, I'd never do that to anybody.
36:27Chad Johnson:Right.
36:29Shannon Sharpe:You got to try to tell me the wrong route. It is my fault because I should have knew what the hell I had to do. I shouldn't have had to ask him what the hell I got. That's on me. And my grandma used to say, boy, never no more.
36:42Chad Johnson:Hello.
36:43Shannon Sharpe:Never again.
36:45Chad Johnson:Yeah.
36:46Shannon Sharpe:But guess what? They got him up out of there.
36:49Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah.
36:51Shannon Sharpe:Got him up out of there.
36:54Chad Johnson:Damn.
36:55Shannon Sharpe:Oh, boy, it's a cutthroat business out there, man. Yeah, absolutely. Me, I wouldn't do that. That's not me. But you know what? I told you my therapist told me one time she said Shannon your biggest mistake is to think everybody thinks like you yep this person was telling me I told this person I think it was probably about a year or two ago she said her therapist told her that just because you wouldn't do something you're not like that that don't mean there aren't people out there are and that doesn't mean that you won't come across them.
37:37Chad Johnson:Oh, man.
37:38Shannon Sharpe:It's funny how basically they're saying the same thing. Just because you won't do something, that don't mean somebody won't do that to you.
37:46Chad Johnson:Hello.
37:49Shannon Sharpe:It took me a while to understand that, Joe. And Ocho. Because I'm like, hey, bro, hey, what you need? Hey. Hey, man. Because guys coming to the hotel, I know. You ain't expecting to play. Somebody goes down. You are. Man, man. Hey, Sean, what I got? Hey, sexualize this. If they come this way, hey, you hot also now. Be careful. They bring two off your side, you got to look hot. Give John a throw. Okay, okay, okay. Hey, if it's covered two, you got to clear. Get that safety out there because I'm screaming down. I'm getting down the middle. Yeah. I'm going to tell him what he got. Because what good – how does that help us if he don't know what he got?
38:26Chad Johnson:Yeah.
38:27Shannon Sharpe:Him is the offense. Right. See, that's the way I look at it. I look at the whole big picture. I ain't just looking at you because you are cog in the system. In order for the system to flow smoothly, you need to know what the F to do. Yeah. But people don't think like that, don't you, Joe? They don't think like that.
38:47Chad Johnson:Yeah, I know.
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42:26Shannon Sharpe:Well, Giannis to Boston rumors. Ocho Joe, they're heating back up. Kevin O 'Connor reignited the Giannis trade discourse with an eye-opening update on the Celtics' interest in the Milwaukee Bucks superstar. O 'Connor said the Seas are willing to part ways with all but one of their players. I've heard Boston is shopping people around a lot now that Boston is making calls. Boston is open to trading anybody besides Jason Tatum. And that doesn't necessarily mean they'll land Giannis at the end of the day. But I do believe, based on everything and all the conversations I had, is that the Celtics are in on Giannis and that they are making a push on him.
43:09Shannon Sharpe:This feels very, very real to me. Joe, many have thought about this. Many have said, look, Let's just say for the sake of argument, it's right here. JT, JB.
43:23Chad Johnson:Yeah.
43:24Shannon Sharpe:All things being equal, I've always felt they would trade JB before they ever got rid of JT. Right, right. I've always felt that. Let me know what your thoughts are and what your thoughts are on this potential trade.
43:34Chad Johnson:Well, yeah, I think it has to be some truth to this rumor, Uncle Ocho, because it's been circling. And, man, if Boston can get Giannis, obviously you got to trade JB.
43:52Chad Johnson:I don't know, man. I mean, that's a hell of a pickup. I'm not going to lie to you. I think him and Jalen Brown are two totally different players. It's just hard to break up JB and JT because I think they both want A, and if both guys are healthy, you know they're going to be right there in the conference finals or in the finals every year. No if, ands, or buts about it. I think the question is because the injuries have been kind of mounting up on Giannis the past few years. You know, he's been hurt a lot. And JB, he plays, bro.
44:29Shannon Sharpe:He's nothing but – he's durable if nothing else. But he's turned himself into an all-NBA player. We know he won a Finals MVP. We know he won a Larry Bird Eastern Conference MVP. But he showed last year that he can carry a team. Yeah.
44:42Chad Johnson:Yeah. And I think that's what took his trade value up, too, if y 'all want me to be honest. I think that took his trade value up. I've been hearing reports that, you know, it may be like a three-team trade. I've been hearing Atlanta's trying to get him down here. I've been hearing somebody.
45:00Shannon Sharpe:Who, JB or Giannis? JB. Okay.
45:03Chad Johnson:Yeah, but I've been hearing a bunch of rumors, man. But for sure, Milwaukee is going to trade Giannis, and he's going to shake up the Eastern Conference for sure. Yeah.
45:12Shannon Sharpe:because here's the thing. You hear all these trades. You've never heard Jason Tatum name mentioned in any trade, have you? No. It's always who?
45:21Chad Johnson:JB. And I wonder since he's been streaming lately, you know, JB been streaming. I wonder does that play a role into them wanting to trade him too? Man, they wanted to move that, man. They've always felt that Jason Tatum was the better of the two players.
45:42Shannon Sharpe:Boston felt that.
45:43Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But without JB, Ocho, you don't beat the Mavericks in the finals. In the finals.
45:56Shannon Sharpe:Because JB did a number on you, Luka.
45:58Chad Johnson:Yeah. You're not going to get that. As great as Giannis is, you're not going to get that full court press like that. man-to-man in your face and can come down and get a bucket, a two-way. Yeah, he's a two-way guy. He's going to give you some block shots. Hell, he's going to give you about 15, 16 damn rebounds a night. Playing with the Celtics, I'm going to say anywhere from 25-plus points, he's going to be terrific. You just got to hope you can keep him healthy. He can stay on the down.
46:26Shannon Sharpe:That's my concern, Joe.
46:28Chad Johnson:Yeah.
46:29Shannon Sharpe:The last couple of years, the injuries are starting to come with greater regularity, and they're starting to keep him out for longer periods of time. Absolutely.
46:37Chad Johnson:Absolutely. That worries me too.
46:40Shannon Sharpe:And normally old people don't get healthier as they age.
46:46Shannon Sharpe:I'm just... Look, I understand Boston's going to... And plus the thing is that Giannis is going to want a new deal. And the deal is going to have to be done before you trade for him because you'd be a damn fool to trade for Giannis with one year left on that contract and not got a long-term deal. You'll be a damn fool. Yeah. He'll be a fattae. Yeah, exactly. So that deal, a deal is going to have to already be in place or the parameters of a deal is going to have to already be. But I wouldn't take that because you remember Boozer, he pulled a fast one on Cleveland.
47:19Chad Johnson:On Cleveland, yeah, and signed with Utah, yeah, when they let him out. Or did he say he took a fast one on Utah and signed with Cleveland?
47:27Shannon Sharpe:No, he signed and pulled a fast one on Cleveland. And you know who his agent was. Who?
47:37Shannon Sharpe:Who is his agent, Ash? I'll give you one guess. He might be working for the Lakers. Rob. Palenka. Palenka. I don't hear you.
47:52Shannon Sharpe:Because they understood his value, they said, you know what? We want to get – they said, if you let us opt out, if you're a manager, we'll sign back with you. Yeah, yeah. They let him get out, and guess what he did? Right to Utah.
48:09Chad Johnson:Yeah. They had a deal in place already. Hey, when to go get that bag, man. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
48:21Shannon Sharpe:So, man, I mean, to see the way JB has grown over the last year, the way he's improved his game, he was always super athletic, Joe. Yeah, yeah. But now he's got the three ball. He could always finish.
48:36Chad Johnson:Yeah.
48:37Shannon Sharpe:Tremendous bounce.
48:38Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah. Can go AAA can score on anybody. He can do a little bit of everything, bro. A hell of, just a hell of a player for real. Damn, I can't believe Boston gonna let him get up out of that at all.
48:59Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I guess y 'all didn't know that, huh? Y 'all didn't know that about? I shouldn't even brought it up. I don't even know why I brought that up, Joe, Ocho. Ain't none of my business.
49:13Shannon Sharpe:I followed Lee real closely, Joe.
49:15Chad Johnson:I've been following Lee for a while. I see. I see. Ocho said you've been watching basketball since 1912.
49:27Shannon Sharpe:I do remember. I do remember the first thing I can kind of remember is like the Portland beating the 76ers in the NBA finals. Yeah. Even though it was tape delayed, yeah. And the Sixers had the lead, had a 2-0 lead, and then Portland come back and win four straight. Damn. Yep.
49:47Chad Johnson:Let's go Spurs.
49:50Shannon Sharpe:Then the Supersonic, I think the Supersonic, no, the Bullets won in 78, and then the Supersonic, I think, went in 79.
49:59Chad Johnson:Yeah, damn New York has been partying since game two. Hell, hell, hell. Wait till you see the party tomorrow. Yeah, ain't going to be one tomorrow.
50:09Shannon Sharpe:All right. Here it is. Here's the three-team reported trade, Joe. Since Giannis to Boston, Jalen Brown to Atlanta, Boston gets Giannis and the Hawks' 20-29 first-round pick, and the Hawks get a 20-27 second-round pick. Milwaukee gets White, Kaminga, two Hawks to 2026 first, two future Celtics first. Atlanta gets Brown and Dane. I guess Richard, how did they say his name? Richard? Richard's here?
50:47Chad Johnson:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You say Atlanta giving him up?
50:51Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Yeah. Milwaukee with White, with Derrick White, Richesher, Kaminga, two Hawks 20s, 26 first, 20, 26 first, and two future Celtics first.
51:06Chad Johnson:Hey, them foes don't want to see JB and JJ together down here. They don't want to eat, we're going to act a fool. They're going to act, hey, we're going to act a fool, boy, the Hawks going to be back for real while y 'all playing. Yeah.
51:23Shannon Sharpe:Joe, Ocho, the internet has a lot of thoughts about LeBron rocking the gray beard. He got that skunk going like his uncle. You see that?
51:33Chad Johnson:Oh yeah, he ain't had time to put that just for men in there.
51:37Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, he got that Beijing, that 57 Oriental. 57 what? That 57 Oriental, that Beijing.
51:45Chad Johnson:Yeah, hey bro, keep rocking that salt and pepper, my boy. Yes sir. Hey, bro, the damn big red me.
51:53Shannon Sharpe:Damn, he hell, hell, y 'all what and what? Hey, and I'm old enough to be LeBron, I think me and Glo the same age. I'm literally old enough to be his dad. And he got me.
52:08Chad Johnson:Hey, bro, been locked in on that golf, ain't it, man?
52:11Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, man, hey, he said, I'm gonna have some time to play.
52:14Chad Johnson:Yeah.
52:14Shannon Sharpe:And that's what you gotta do in order to get good at you, you gotta play a lot of that, yo.
52:18Chad Johnson:Boy, I'm talking about a lot.
52:19Shannon Sharpe:All the time.
52:21Chad Johnson:Yeah. I was talking about, it ain't nothing for, look, it ain't nothing for the homies that go to the golf course, they out there eight hours. Come on. Yeah. Yeah.
52:30Shannon Sharpe:That's how my brother is. He out there all day. And a tournament that he won, hey. Man, where you at? I'm going to such and such tournament. I'm going to this tournament. He driving. Man, that joke was driving. He's staying up at, what's that? Up on 85, Chateau Lawn?
52:48Chad Johnson:Oh, yeah?
52:49Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, man, that joke will stay up there. What's that? What's that? What's that? Golf course up there, Brazos.
52:55Chad Johnson:Oh, your brother live out here?
52:56Shannon Sharpe:Your brother live in Georgia? He live in South Carolina, man.
52:59Chad Johnson:Oh, oh. OK.
53:04Shannon Sharpe:South Carolina. Yeah. LeBron said, I'm trying to get that thing in. I'm trying to lock in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Copenhagen spit-free pouches are packed full of American-grown tobacco. Made for welders. Stuck behind masks. More mechanics stuck on a fused spark plug. The long-haul trucker stuck in gridlock. For foreman working late at the field office. Or anytime there's no time or space to spit, there's Copenhagen spit-free pouches. Find them in stores today. Not all varieties available in all geographies. Warning, this product can cause mouth cancer. I'm U.S. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy. We all get distracted when we drive.
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