In short
Nightcap Hour discussion mixing boxing, NBA debate, and sports business. Shakur Stevenson and “Unc” argue about Shakur’s boxing style being “boring” vs entertaining, plus predictions and dream matchups. They also debate Charles Barkley’s claim that LeBron should finish his career with the Cleveland Cavaliers, and discuss Jalen Brunson’s game-worn Finals jersey selling for $1M.
Guests/backgrounds
Shakur Stevenson (elite pro boxer; won belts in four weight classes; signed with Zuffa Boxing). “Unc” (older boxing fan/participant in the debate). “Ocho” and “Joe” are co-hosts/commentators.
Key claims
Shakur says his style is entertaining and points to his performances (including Tiafemo Lopez) and that critics haven’t “done homework.” Unc challenges him with betting talk and fight bravado. Barkley/hosts argue LeBron’s “ring chasing” label applies anywhere; finishing in Cleveland would be a fitting narrative. Brunson jersey value reflects game-worn memorabilia demand.
Notable examples
Shakur vs Tiafemo Lopez; mention of Shakur vs Zepeda; Charlo camp sparring stories; LeBron team scenarios; Brunson game 1 jersey auction at $1M.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VODebating Boxing Styles
0:00 to 4:30
Explore the heated debate between fighters over boxing styles and entertainment value.
“I see I see you throw something at bud like a little play drawing.”
Personal Situations and Money Talk
4:30 to 9:00
The conversation shifts to personal situations, money, and living legacies.
“That style that you, like, I think the thing is, is that you're more concerned about being undefeated.”
Opinions and Ignorance in Sports
9:00 to 14:01
A contentious exchange about opinions in boxing and the knowledge behind them.
“I say, are there any other fighters that's retired that said your style isn't entertaining?”
Debate on Boxing Styles
14:01 to 20:44
Explore the passionate debate around boxing styles and opinions.
“see it, that means you didn't do your homework.”
Shakur Stevenson's Career Aspirations
20:45 to 22:24
Shakur Stevenson discusses his plans for the future in boxing.
“I'm going to see you and take a picture with you, man.”
Shakur Stevenson's Career Aspirations
23:01 to 23:24
Shakur Stevenson discusses his plans for the future in boxing.
“everybody's rewarding and post-worthy with Amex Gold's four-times membership rewards points at restaurants worldwide.”
Future Fights and Boxing Dynamics
23:31 to 28:00
Discussion on potential boxing matchups and the current state of the sport.
“He's like, he says Dream Fight, Devin Haney, Tank Davis.”
The Value of Belts in Boxing
28:00 to 29:46
Discussing the importance of championship belts in modern boxing and fighters' motivations.
“I mean, I would like for it to be a belt on the line.”
Training with Champions
29:46 to 31:06
Sharing experiences of training with elite boxers and the challenges faced.
“In 2021 at the Hard Rock where I fought my homie, good friend of mine, man, Brian Maxwell.”
Competitive Spirit in Sports
31:06 to 33:40
Exploring the mindset of athletes during competition and training.
“oh my god oh joe joe what we just talked about last night seeing a pro in his craft up close and Hey, Joe, we talking about champions now.”
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LeBron James and Career Decisions
33:40 to 35:36
Discussing Charles Barkley's opinion on LeBron finishing his career with the Cavaliers.
“It's saying, hey, hey, hey, hell, you and Unk and Shakur done crashed out tonight on nightcap.”
The Debate on LeBron's Legacy
35:36 to 37:56
Analyzing the discourse around LeBron's legacy and comparisons to Michael Jordan.
“And the one thing or the asterisk they can put behind him in his career is he's ring chasing.”
Last Meals and Nostalgia
37:56 to 40:48
Discussing the psychology behind last meals for condemned individuals and their meaning.
“the really the only person that they compare LeBron to is Jordan.”
LeBron's Future and Fan Expectations
40:48 to 42:00
Speculating on LeBron's future teams and the expectations from fans regarding his performance.
“Hey, you remember like how they were in life?”
LeBron's Impact on Championship Contenders
42:00 to 44:18
Discussion on how LeBron James affects championship aspirations of various teams.
“him go out with a baby I think we are Joe I think wherever he goes we're going to be tuned in yeah I can see yeah you know where the best show is that too?”
LeBron's Longevity and Expectations
44:18 to 45:06
Exploration of the expectations placed on LeBron James despite his age and career duration.
“I mean, people might say, well, he did confront Stephen A.”
Jalen Brunson's Historic Jersey Sale
45:06 to 46:09
Insights into Jalen Brunson's jersey auction and player jersey protocols.
“Jalen Brunson game-worn jersey from game one of the NBA Finals sold for$1 million at auction.”
Tom Brady's Memorabilia and Legends
46:09 to 46:38
Discussion on Tom Brady's Super Bowl jerseys and his sports memorabilia hall of fame.
“I know them thing where the grip, too, aren't they?”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00I see I see you throw something at bud like a little play drawing. Like you ain't ready. Hey. I tell you what.
0:08Shannon Sharpe:Hey. Don't look at cake blows. If you can't knock out Tio Fimo, you damn sure can't knock me out. And Tio Fimo won't burn. Tio beat your ass. I said you. You couldn't knock him out, but you talking about Tio was bigger than me. I came up to his weight class. Mickey Mouse bigger than you. I came up to his weight class. He wasn't 130. I was 135. He was 140. What? Hey, hey. I eat 140 pounds worth of food. T.O. will beat your ass. What you talking about? You. You will beat your ass. I ain't talking about T.O. You said T.O. You said I could not come out. So, da-da-da-da. No, you couldn't. T.O. will beat your ass.
0:50Shannon Sharpe:That ain't got nothing to do. I ain't talking about T.O. I ain't betting T.O. I'm betting you. You ain't doing nothing for me. I'm betting Tank. I'm betting Tank against. No, you're not. You bluffing Hey Shakur I'm ready You said one of those four fighters Tell Tank to fight me Why haven't he fought me He got some issues right now Give him a minute he gotta get that settled Once he get that settled I'm all for that I mean if he got his situation I don't wish no bad upon no man I don't wish no bad no jail Or none of that stuff You know I hope he get everything Right with his personal life but but but but but you you ain't gonna bet that money for real you bluffing what you bluff i'm going on that shit i'm going back it might not hey the bet might not be oh he's going to bet something right now he's going to bet something nice but he ain't betting no
1:49Joe Johnson:hundred thousand what's he gonna bet dude what's the number we gonna bet i say that's that's what gonna bet oh oh oh oh i'm watching up right now what he gonna bet what that got to do with you right now what you gonna bet don't save him i'm saying a number don't save him i get my cut oh you said hello what you mean save me yeah hey shakur yo i know you had you had a lot to
2:18Shannon Sharpe:say about that situation that i went through last year don't let that situation situation
2:25Shannon Sharpe:i i i i still i still about to check the bank can't the bank about what situation i know you've been i know you've been fighting for a minute i'm confused what situation you're talking about don't worry about it we'll talk about screen oh yeah i got i know you've been fighting for a minute your pocket's not that deep okay so betty that's all i i've never said
2:56I know you've been fight for a minute your pocket's not messy I'm not trying to have a competition all sincer Todd about Nixon off of Whopak is deeper you know How old are you?
3:14Shannon Sharpe:How old are you? Okay. How old are you? Hey, don't worry about that. How old are you? The money goes good. Hold on. I'm going to go there too. How old are you? I don't know how old I am. Now you don't know your age. I bet you're not getting your age. I have more money than you. They take... Bro, all I'm going to say is this. All I'm going to say is this. they still take money from the 1800s so money don't get old I'm down but you went to a place where I'm ready to go once I get your age you kept saying I ain't gonna bet no you kept saying once I get your age I bet I ain't got no money look here I got enough when I leave here I'm gonna leave my kids in a better situation I agree that's why I said we ain't even we ain't even gotta go to you said something about the situation I ain't say nothing about your situation.
4:08Shannon Sharpe:No, you did. You did. You was talking because you heard what I said. I heard what you said. Somebody sent it to me that he got in the situation. I heard what you said and you know you said it. I probably did. I probably did. I've been mad enough to sit in your face. What you talking about? You got more money than me right now. I'm telling you. By the time I get your age, I bet I got more money than you. No, what I said. Hold on. Hope you live to get my age. I will. I'm going to be here. I've been your age. You've never been you right I agree I said I heard you say you know So what happened is that you didn't like what I said about your style you said something slick about the situation I went into That's what you see speaking on the style that you don't know nothing about That's nothing personal.
4:54That's how you hold up. That's what I mean. Let me let me get this straight, right? You see it telling me. Oh, you boring and do this you you like talking to me huh i do okay i do but it's an opinion let me ask you a question
5:13Shannon Sharpe:who your favorite who's the best basketball player in the nba kawhi leonard see that's your opinion ain't nobody else but see you got upset you see joe didn't get upset ocho didn't get upset i didn't get upset that's your opinion you got upset at me because and i told Ocho I said Ocho he's an amazing fighter I said that but you left but see you didn't want to hear that part you just like the part like that style is not entertaining to me that's what I said that was my exact word I said Ocho he's amazing and the number that he did on Tia Fimo tonight was a masterpiece when you can't explain it then I don't respect it like you can say that style is not amazing what style is not amazing no I didn't say I said no I said that style is not entertaining.
6:00Shannon Sharpe:What style is not entertaining? The style that you fight at. What is the style? That style that you, like, I think the thing is, is that you're more concerned about being undefeated. I like more of a sugar ray. I'm asking about the style, not what I'm concerned with. You said the style is not entertaining. So what style? The style that you fight at, that's what you did? What style? Not the style. You can't explain it. Everybody knows what I'm talking about. You know what I'm talking about. I want entertainment. I want you to explain it. I want sugar race style. I want you to fight like sugar So basically I want you to fight like Tommy Hearns.
6:35Shannon Sharpe:I want you to fight like Roy Jones I want you to fight like Floyd What you doing so you know Disrespect them legends right because you're trying to set me up to disrespect them When you say style, you know, they took a lot of punishment. I just gave you the style I Asked you to explain my style that you don't like and you have not yet to do it just I want to see I don't see enough action from you now the most most action I saw when you fought to your female That was that was the fight you say that was boring That's what you say after that fight is when you say that it was boring I said you I said you was boring before that
7:21Shannon Sharpe:again right after that fight no that's where all the stuff started at you don't remember this so if you said it after the teofimo fight and you just said that was my best fight i said this was the best fight he fought i said as far as entertainment that's how i know you don't know what you're talking about because when i fought zapater that was a more entertaining i'm not allowed to have i'm not allowed to have an opinion about your fighting style saying you're allowed i'm i'm no i'm not i'm trying to sit here and debate about the paint the opinion of what you're saying i'm not saying you're not allowed you can say whatever you want you're a fan i'm saying but yes you can i want to debate about it i want to actually get into what is what and what you're talking about you have not yet to really explain i just explained to you i wanted to see did you watch my fight with zapater i haven't seen did you watch my fight with zapater I did not watch that fight Okay then, my point You're not in tune, you don't do your homework Enough to even see her And debate boxing with me Let me ask you a question, so you think I'm the only Person that haven't seen every last One of your fights I'm not saying every last one of my fights But my most recent fight is Have you seen every last one of Kawhi's games?
8:37Shannon Sharpe:Have you seen every last one of Kawhi's games? Man, listen here, that's a different thing You can't talk about somebody playing 100 times a fucking year and somebody that fights 2 times a year you can't compare the two all I'm saying I haven't seen every one of Sugar Ray's fights I'm just saying I fought a very entertaining fight with Zepeda and you did not watch and you sit here trying to tell me that my style is boring and I disagree with you I'm saying the fights that I've seen and if you're not paying attention you're not doing your homework and it brings me back to square one that you don't do enough homework on the sport of boxing to talk on the sport of boxing?
9:15Shannon Sharpe:I ask you a simple question. I say, are there any other fighters that's retired that said your style isn't entertaining? You hopped all around that question. I said there's a hundred fighters that said my style is entertaining. Why do you think a guy like Floyd Mayweather called me Little TBE? I can show you him telling me this personally or Terrence Carver, the Andre's World, all these great fighters surrounding me talk to me about my style and you saying I'm supposed to take your opinion serious you don't have to it's my opinion you bad at homework it brings me back to square one you get every time you do your homework let me ask you a question I just want to ask you one question there's no fighter that's good that's won a world championship that's retired that says your fights isn't entertaining I don't know I can't tell you I'm not I don't I don't know there is but but you can but you can i don't pay attention to it all the good things that people are saying you can tell me what bud said you can tell me what floyd said you can tell me andre ward said but you can't tell me any negative so it tells me that you surround and that's how we are yeah consume the news i'm surrounded finish finish your sentence you about to catch you you about to say a cap uh sentence i'm surrounded by what no i'm not saying i'm saying you consume the positive news and so if somebody say something that you don't want to hear you assume well i don't value your opinion because you're not a boxing i assume that you're don't know shit about boxing that's all i'm trying to tell you you don't know issue about basketball but you got an opinion i don't try to debate if i'm sitting here with kawaii lennon i wouldn't try to debate with kawaii lennon about basketball because i'm not that ignorant.
11:03I can't have an opinion about what I'm trying to tell you is you're being ignorant. That's it.
11:08Shannon Sharpe:I get all that. That's fine. You're being ignorant. Shakur, ignorant is something that should never come out of your mouth because you don't have a degree. I run circles around you in the classroom. Brother, I don't give a fuck about a classroom. There is a million people on the planet that have not finished high school or finished school that is smarter than the poor smart motherfucker. They didn't call me ignorant. You did. Be respectful. You're being ignorant when it comes to the sport of boxing. No, no, no. That's what you're being ignorant about. I'm not calling you ignorant as a person. I'm calling you ignorant when it comes to the sport of boxing.
11:45And does he have to take it to the left field and talk about ignorance?
11:47Shannon Sharpe:You are. In boxing. You are in boxing. You're ignorant about all sports. I don't care. I'm not trying to be the smartest nigga about all sports. You're trying to be smart about boxing. You shouldn't be. the smartest box i'm not the smartest box i'm a way smarter boxer than your favorite fighter you don't know who my favorite fighter is i don't have to know you don't know i tell you what don't be bad because you can't this is what i do you gotta add that's it you gotta add and what in boxing i got in boxing yes you got it i have an opinion about my style and what i like to see And you can have your opinion.
12:28Shannon Sharpe:I didn't try to say, would you this, you that. You can have your opinion. I don't have no problems with your opinion. No, I don't. You just called me ignorant. I said you're ignorant in the sport of boxing. I done told you this a hundred times, whether you want to hear it or not. Which means it's my opinion. In boxing, you are ignorant. It's my opinion. And I stand by that. It's my opinion. It's my opinion. You got upset because I don't fall and praise you. No, no, no, no, no. Your style is boring to me. You're not really hearing me. You're still boring. You're being ignorant because you're thinking that I'm calling you ignorant as a person.
13:03And I'm not talking about you as a person of being ignorant. I'm speaking as far as your boxing knowledge and what you're talking about in the sport of boxing. You're ignorant.
13:12Shannon Sharpe:Listen, I'm not a soccer aficionado. I know I like Messi's style. That's cool. But if you speak on Messi and you start talking to Messi and tell Messi, oh, this is that. Messi will call you ignorant in his sport too. No. Ocho. Ocho and I get into the debate all the time about Ronaldo and Messi. Ocho say it's hard to say Messi ain't the GOAT but I like Ronaldo's style. His style is more conducive to what I like to see. That's fine. That's what Ocho said. I didn't say Ocho. No when you say the style is boring you're giving an opinion on something that to me I feel is very ignorant. Especially if you say Tiafema was my most entertaining fight after I just fought Williams of Pater right before Tia Fimo fight.
14:00And if you didn't see it, that means you didn't do your homework. So you bring me back to square one at all times. You get an F when we're talking about the sport of boxing. Okay, I'll take the F, but I'm not allowed to have an opinion. No, you can have an opinion. Everybody can do their homework, but if they get an F, they get an F. So why are you so upset about my opinion? I'm not upset about your opinion. I'd have told you this. You are. I'm debating with you. don't get mad that i'm debating with you i'm kicking that guy we can have a debate but then
14:28Shannon Sharpe:you say my boxing if i but i'm not trying to say i'm not trying to say you're the greatest lightweight or you don't have to you don't have to i just said your style yes and you get a f when you tell me that that my fight with tiafema was the most entertaining fight compared to my fight with williams zapater but you didn't watch hey can i can i say something go ahead hold on hold on
14:50Joe Johnson:real quick real quick can i say something both of you are going back and forth right yeah both of you going back and forth about boxing going about words some of the things you're saying to each other but both of you have opinions everything y 'all talk about is based on opinion that's all i'm saying oh hey hey um what you're saying to him is based is an opinion based on how you feel he fights and the way he thinks about your description on his fighting style being boring hit the ignorant part is also an opinion on how he thinks about how you fight how he fights so we going back we going
15:19Shannon Sharpe:That's all I'm saying. That'd be like saying, that'd be like saying, Joe, who your favorite rapper? Man, Joe, you ignorant on rap because Joe's opinion. Oh, he like he might like Tupac. He might like Hov. He might like Drake. He might like Kenya because I disagree with his opinion. I'm saying if you talk to fucking Jay-Z at the time and you're sitting there talking. I'm talking to exactly. You're talking to the best fighter in the sport of boxing right now. You got to hear yourself. That's who you talking to. Put some respect on my name when you're talking. That's all I ask. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
15:55Shannon Sharpe:I've given you respect. Shakur, all I've said, I have every, every, go back and look. I say he's in a, I said he can fight. He's great. I say you don't win belts in four different weight classes and not be tremendous. But I say that, that, that style is an appealing to me. I'm just saying you don't have an educated opinion. That's it. You don't have an educated opinion. Okay.
16:18Joe Johnson:I like that. I like that. That's a better one. That's a better one. Hey, honestly, I think y 'all should fight in real life. Honestly. That's how y 'all should settle. I got grandkids. I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you.
16:33Shannon Sharpe:I got you. But if he fight, but if he fight. No, no, no. Hey, hold on. Hold on. Matter of fact. Hey, you keep saying that. I swear to God, when the fight happens, I better see you. I better see you. I want to see you front row. I want you to see front row and watch it. That's all I ask. when the fight happens i want you to sit from row
17:02Joe Johnson:oh no we just we just sparring hey tell bud come with you so i can get him
17:06Shannon Sharpe:nah nah leave bud alone nah i'm gonna beat his ass too bud don't know how to turn the switch off
17:11Joe Johnson:man ocho i i don't care about no switch i got a switch too hey shakur you tell but matter of fact tell andre ward i want all oh yeah you you sound crazy huh huh hey hey shakur you know they call me nah i i've seen you box before i ain't seen yeah yeah i ain't seen more than two hands brother
17:33Shannon Sharpe:you can see first of all leave bud alone leave andre ward alone leave hey don't you get a fight once you get a fighter that's retired like three or four years.
17:43Joe Johnson:Unk, Unk, Unk, Unk, Unk, listen to me. Listen to me real quick. I'm from Dade County, right? Oh, Lord. You see all three of them fighters' names you just named, right? I'll fuck them niggas up, man. And I don't even curse like that. I don't even curse. I don't even curse. You make me say the end word. That's how I say it. You got to chill, man.
17:59Shannon Sharpe:You're being delusional right now. Hey. Nah, don't, hey. Hey, don't, hey. Don't hit him in his face. He got to come on nightcap. Just hit him to the body. Hit him on the arm or something. Hey, Unc.
18:10Joe Johnson:I can survive. Yo, my cameraman will whoop your ass. Damn. My cameraman. Why would you put him out there like that? He over here in Shadowbox and I see he getting ready for you right now. Hey, tell your cameraman coming to camera right now. He's three-some right now. Fat. Good boy, Zach. Hey, Zach. Hey, Zach. I'm going to fuck you up. Just because.
18:41Shannon Sharpe:I'm trying to figure out. Hey, I need - What's the world? What's the world? I'm going to make you cut your hair, my throat. I got my man in my corner. I got my man in my corner. I got my man in my corner. I'm going to show him the - Yo, you good?
18:53Joe Johnson:My bad. My bad. My bad.
18:58Shannon Sharpe:Hey. Hey, look. If this fight happened, I'm going to bet you personally. you say you want to bet i want you front row that's all i want and i want your money hey no
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19:10Joe Johnson:let him do the ring hey hey uh hey joe hey uh thank you i mean damn fuck she could let him do the ring walk with you i can't do the ring walking oh hell no i want him to sit front row i want i want him to watch his money moves like i want him to sit there and cry that's what i want
19:26Shannon Sharpe:i ain't gonna cry about it because i'm i'm only gonna bet what i can lose and not and sleep nah hell no i want you to bet some real man i want you to really be mad at yourself man i'm only gonna bet no no no no no no no no no no no i i i i i i i want you to be mad at yourself i still got kids i want your kids to be mad at you that's what i want i want your kids to be mad at you about what you're bad my kids can't be bad about money they didn't make you right i like that They can't be bad about this money.
20:00Joe Johnson:You heard me? What you saying with Joe? I can tell y 'all something. What? This has been very entertaining tonight. Hey, listen. I mean, listen. Y 'all going at it. Obviously, we're going to be at the fight tomorrow, Saturday. Hey, this was really good tonight. Yeah. This was really good. It's all love. I just was talking shit with you. It's all love, man.
20:21Shannon Sharpe:Babe, it's all good. Hey, what I see? Hey, I'll see you at the fight on Saturday. Hey, Joe, I'm going to call my guy tomorrow. and I hit you. Make sure you wear a knee brace. Ain't going to be no perfect. Put a knee brace on. Man, you know I got a bad knee, Shakur. I do my homework, man. That's all I tell y 'all. I need a knee replacement. I do my homework, man. Man.
20:50Joe Johnson:Hey. Hey, Unc, I got your back, Unc. That's some security with you, man. I got you. I got you. I'm going to see you and take a picture with you, man. It's all good.
21:00Shannon Sharpe:Man, I appreciate that, man. Congratulations. Man, look here. Make these fights happen, Shakur. Make your money. Hey, how old are you? 26, 27? 29 now. Okay, hey. Going to get you about five more years, get you about 200 mil?
21:15Joe Johnson:No, I got you. That's the plan right there. I need 10 persists. That's the plan right there for sure.
21:22Shannon Sharpe:Because the thing is, those old guys, they had to fight. I remember guys were fighting three, four, five times a year. You ain't got to do that now. You're going to get your two big paydays a year and peace with you. Yeah, go live free with my family, man. That's the game plan right there. That's it. Hey, you in Houston. Get your nice piece of land. I don't know what type of land. Get your nice piece of land. I got you. Yes, yes. And now, get you a job talking about boxing. Shit, I'm going to make money out of the sport of boxing for the rest of my life. Oh, you want to be a promoter? be whatever it takes to get the most money i'm gonna make it money keep that income coming i got a lot of knowledge so i'm gonna use it to my advantage ain't no wrong ain't nothing wrong with that if you hey whatever the case may be whether you want to promote whether you want to train whatever the case may be bro hey knowledge knowledge is very valuable but it's all but it's only good if you share it with somebody for sure with the right people yes yeah yes man i appreciate that.
22:23Shannon Sharpe:Hey, that's Shakur Stevenson. He won a belt in his fourth weight class. Pound for pound, one of the two or three best boxers, and he says he's not two or three. He's the best pound for pound boxer in boxing currently going today. That is Shakur Stevenson. He signed with Zuffer Boxing on a multi-fight deal. That is a company run between Dana White, Turkey Ali, and Nick Khan. So, he said if you're going to fight at some point in time, this year, we ain't got, let's see, we got August to October, November, December. We got about five months left. Yeah, I appreciate y 'all, though. Thank y 'all for the opportunity.
22:56Shannon Sharpe:No, we appreciate you, bro.
22:59Joe Johnson:Hey, stay healthy.
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23:35Shannon Sharpe:He's like, he says Dream Fight, Devin Haney, Tank Davis. We didn't mention Ryan Garcia, Ocho.
23:42Joe Johnson:Yeah, no, Lamont Roach and Gary Russell.
23:46Shannon Sharpe:Gary Russell. of all those fights that he mentioned who would you like to see him fight first uh we go to you first ocho and then we're gonna go to you joe all right i mean for me i like the chess match with
23:56Joe Johnson:him and lamont roach and you see how much how many problems the problems that lamont roach gave um haney tank davis when they did fight huh that he gave debate devon haney right
24:08Shannon Sharpe:no no no he gave tank yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah he gave tank fit he beat being
24:15Joe Johnson:being honest yeah hey because of his style of fighting and obviously that that fighting style between between um lamont roach and shakur stevenson to me would be the best chess match for those that actually enjoy you know the the the sport of boxing in general in the sweet scientists so that would be your number one that would be your number one fight shakur versus
24:34Shannon Sharpe:lamont roach yeah for me for me yeah joe who you like to see in five people for me i want to see him fight Haney bro. I want to see him fight Haney. Okay Ocho. I think both of those guys fight with class. I think it'll be a hell of a hell of a bout and that's who I want to see him fight. Hell I might even have to pull up on that one. Man look a part of me agree with Ocho is that Roach his style and they're very similar but Tank with that power and I think the thing is with and see sometimes like I don't know how but tank and Roach knew each other. So they kind of sparred against each other. So they knew each other style.
25:15Shannon Sharpe:Oh, Joe.
25:15Joe Johnson:Yeah. Hey, listen, they all have, though. That's the thing. All of them, Shakur and Devin Haney, they got sparring for way back in the day. You saw that? You know, they going at it. So all of them, they're familiar with each other, but all of them are exponentially better from those times when they spar way back in the day. They're much better.
25:34Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. I think with Roach and Tank, by them being from the D.C. area. Yeah. I think that does play a major part when you fight somebody and you've been boxing against them for quite some time and you know everything about them. It plays a major role, bro. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
25:58So.
26:00Joe Johnson:I mean, some people, you know, some people say they're like Ryan Garcia. You know, Ryan. I mean, Ryan. I mean, Ryan. He makes too many mistakes. Yeah, yeah.
26:09Shannon Sharpe:He needs himself wide open. He's looking to land that big left, Ocho.
26:12Joe Johnson:Yeah, yeah, yeah. He makes too many mistakes.
26:16Shannon Sharpe:Nah, it's hard. If you make mistakes like that, like what he makes. He's going to pay for him. That's why Tate did what he did. Yeah. And then, hold on. Who just beat Garcia?
26:28Joe Johnson:That was Roley. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and Roley fighting T.O. next. Oh, is he? yeah Roley and T.O. fight
26:38Shannon Sharpe:I thought Roley was supposed to fight Devin remember we had him on they said they was lining that up oh yeah yeah yeah
26:48Joe Johnson:that's what I just talked about with Shakur they always talk about they gonna do something and it never happens but Roley and T.O. Cuomo Lopez I hope I think September Chad is it September I think it's September if I'm not mistaken
27:05Shannon Sharpe:we still look i still got a
27:11Shannon Sharpe:i just hope i hope this is different because we get this all the time joe oh they're gonna fight and they're gonna do this and we're gonna do that and don't show we still don't get what we want nah hey they're gonna blame it on the money ain't right somebody the weight ain't right it's a something somebody gonna be like well i want to be the a side and everybody want to be the a and nobody want to be the b and i want to be the last one to come out and i want my name first on the on the marquee oh you already know how it's gonna be
27:42Joe Johnson:yeah absolutely there's always something there's always something they don't want no rehydration clauses right all type of stuff yeah the fight is august 22nd huh but and plus see i like to see
27:51Shannon Sharpe:look and there's nothing wrong with catch weights but i i agree with you of course says look i don't want to take him down to 140 and drain him because then he'll have an excuse and then you know what going up. We do a catch, we do 144. Okay, fine. I mean, I would like for it to be a belt on the line. You know what I'm saying? I like when championships you come in the ring, like when Canelo came in the ring with all those belts and then Buzz left out the ring with all the belts. I'd be like, I want to see belts change hands. Yeah. What you thinking, Joe? Yeah, I'm with you on that. They don't really fight for belts now, huh?
28:25Shannon Sharpe:These dudes just fighting for the purse, the biggest purse now. Hey, what the bag gonna look like? Yeah, that's what I think. Because I think the thing is, is that you gotta pay like a sanctioning fee to get the belt. So I'm paying$300 ,000. Man, I don't care nothing about them belts. Man, damn them belts.
28:39Joe Johnson:Hey, the boy's saying, forget them belts, Joe. They trying to get that bag.
28:41Shannon Sharpe:Because it used to be the belts were the thing. And I still see pictures where I just saw a thing where Floyd had all the belts that he had won. He had like 20 or something belts laid out on the table. And you see De La Hoya's home and you see Sugar Ray home. And they got all the belts on the wall and stuff. i was like okay that's pretty cool but these guys now like you said joe and ocho they're like man damn them bills give me the money hey hey hey didn't bud return them bells though he did he did he returned them and then and um uh they sent him some new belts yeah bud say damn that man come on get my own damn hey bud bud say what i checked i bet he returned that check though but hey man but hey you see bud in uh timmy bradley for smart uh yeah i did i did yeah that was funny that was funny man but man look here when bud get in the ring he he different man yeah yeah i mean he did me and him joking and laughing having a good time on joe but the minute we got in the ring i'm like hold on now hey hey complete what and every last one of them why like
29:44Joe Johnson:that i don't know why whoa whoa hold on bud hey hey hey joe when i had it when i had to do my uh my little fight, right? In 2021 at the Hard Rock where I fought my homie, good friend of mine, man, Brian Maxwell. You know, he fight bare knuckle. You know, he fight for a living. And I had to go in the Charlo twins camp in Houston. So all I had was two weeks to get ready. So I did two days. In the mornings, I went with Big Charlo. And in the evenings, I went with Little Charlo. Joe, it was the only way I could get to work. Even though they were preparing for their fights, I had no choice but to get in there with them and do four rounds.
30:22Joe Johnson:Joe, I always started off. They went through about maybe three or four sparring partners, right? Joe, I was first every time, Joe. You need to be last, Joe. Hey, it wouldn't matter. No, it wouldn't. It wouldn't matter. Hey, the same. Joe, listen. I know I play around all the time. Joe, you get in the ring with them fools, and they training for a real fight. And it's like I'm not surviving, but I'm doing what I can. to make sure they get the work that they deserve because they're preparing for a real fight joe all bush had with him they were me up boy yeah oh joe that would be joe i'm i'm going for real joe i'm not all wild joe i look like i know what i'm doing joe they were me up boy
31:10Shannon Sharpe:oh my god oh joe joe what we just talked about last night seeing a pro in his craft up close and
31:18Joe Johnson:Hey, Joe, we talking about champions now. I ain't in there with just regular people. I'm in there with the best of the best. Joe, man.
31:27Shannon Sharpe:Think about you in your prime, Ocho, and somebody going out there, they don't play DB. They might have played DB before. Hey, trying to cover. Trying to cover. Joe, you got somebody, they played high school ball or maybe college, but they don't play no more. And they're like, oh, I'm going to D you up, Joe. Big deal. Joe, like, no. No, you're not because I'm not gonna let you go back because even if even if you stop me one time You won't go back to work. So man, I did a number Joe Knocked the ball down a mojo. Hey, I Told y 'all that's why I'm that's why I'm some of months I go so hard cuz if a team beat us it don't matter we playing pick up big three I'm back home playing in a dumb body.
32:09Shannon Sharpe:Hey, we will Joe man man damn yeah you already know what it is yeah yeah so i can hey hey you ought to say whoever whoever you win against ocho and if they ever got an interception to you in juco or they got an interception to oregon state oh yeah you know they're telling me my name yeah hold on oh you're talking about the pro ball from the bingles yeah he's got a pick on him yeah man hey i'm picking and you know what i and most of the fighters realize what i'm doing
32:39Joe Johnson:obviously they take it serious they don't go all out they go about 60 because right because they still have to get their work i was in boots camp um i think three years ago i was in boots camp i did a whole camp with boots and i again joe i go first could barely touch him charlo a caleb plant you know caleb yeah he told me to tell you what's up i saw him again on joe in the airport he told
32:59Shannon Sharpe:me to tell you what's up yep he live out here hey joe are we here i got i got i got it i kind of
33:05Joe Johnson:let's come see caleb hey joe everybody everybody get four rounds and i do three minutes and it is so hard to touch these dudes joe though it's so hard i'm talking about just to get a clean hit like man but hey that's fun though and the point that i always get in there just so i can have something to brag about if i would one of them and i ain't i ain't succeeded yet in 10 years
33:26Shannon Sharpe:well hey imagine imagine what you can't do to them boy i'm really gonna whoop your little ass you you talking about them the way you gonna be praising me I not whoop your little ass so now you know you can't let it win now her joke
33:43Joe Johnson:this is why it's gonna be so different when it comes to fighting or just playing around with someone that is not them because any regular people is gonna be moving in slow motion based on what I mean to assume
33:57Shannon Sharpe:this shit ain't regular over here that's what I'm trying to tell you It ain't regular. So what was you with? You a robot? You done got Joe hyped up. Oh, Joe. It's saying, hey, hey, hey, hell, you and Unk and Shakur done crashed out tonight on nightcap. Yeah. I'm on your ass, boy.
34:15Joe Johnson:Okay. And you feeling good, huh, Joe? Okay.
34:19Shannon Sharpe:Hey, hey, hey.
34:19Joe Johnson:Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. You know I do all this talking, Joe. You know I really got hands for real and real life, Joe.
34:25Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, you do a lot of talking. You can talk better than any damn thing.
34:28Joe Johnson:No, no, no, no, no, no, no. My hands do the talking along with the talk that I talked to.
34:32Shannon Sharpe:I ain't trying to howl that.
34:35Joe Johnson:I tell you what, I'm going to cut your nose off because I don't like the way you smell.
34:42Shannon Sharpe:All right, back to basketball. Charles Barkley says LeBron James should finish his career with the Cavaliers, not the Warriors or the 76ers. My biggest criticism of LeBron has always been that he packs his team. He's chasing the imaginary Michael Jordan goes. If he goes to Philly, people are going to say he's ring chasing. If he goes to Golden State, they're going to say he's ring chasing. He has no affiliation with Philly or Golden State. If he does his hometown team, the Cavaliers will probably be going – being the favorite to win the East. They've got a good team. They're just lacking leadership.
35:11Shannon Sharpe:LeBron's a great leader. To me, it would be a fitting way for him to finish his career. Stop getting greedy too. So let me ask you a question. If he goes to the Cavaliers, what are they going to say, Joe? He ring chasing. Anywhere he goes. Anywhere he goes. Yeah. It doesn't matter where he goes. They're going to say that.
35:29Joe Johnson:Charles. I mean, and only because it started. He's done it multiple times. So that's going to always be the discourse. It's always going to be the dialogue. And the one thing or the asterisk they can put behind him in his career is he's ring chasing.
35:41Shannon Sharpe:But here's the thing. They could say that about Charles. He went to Houston. What was he trying to do in Houston, Joe? Win a ring. He linked up with Scottie Pippen and Hakeem Olajuwon. What are you trying to do? Yeah. He's trying to win a ring. When it rained? In all seriousness, yeah, he was. Now, he can say we was over the hill, but you didn't think that. Right. There's not a place. If LeBron goes to Miami, what are they going to say? He's ring chasing. If he goes to Golden State, he's ring chasing. He goes to Philly, he's ring chasing. If he were to go to the Nuggets, he's ring chasing. He goes to the Cavaliers.
36:21Shannon Sharpe:The team that he's going to because he wants to win. your last if this is his last year you ain't trying to win no damn 20-30 games your last year can I tell you something you know why
36:35Joe Johnson:most of the time for those that debate the whole Jordan and LeBron or who the GOAT is do you understand the kind of cachet and power you have to have and being undeniably good for wherever you go it's the winner ring because they wouldn't say it by anybody else bouncing from team to team so obviously wherever he's going he is that valuable and is that much of an asset that him going to whatever team it is it gives that chance it gives that team a chance to win a ring
37:05Shannon Sharpe:that's how good he is I agree Ojo I think anywhere he goes they always gonna have something to say bro it's just part of being great you know
37:13Joe Johnson:he don't care at this point Joe
37:16Shannon Sharpe:I don't know if he cares but I don't agree that he's chasing Michael Jordan. I don't think I mean, does he want to win another ring? I think so. But to sit here and say that he's thinking about, oh, let me catch the black cat and Jordan. You can't catch him. He's 6-0. He has an unblemished record when it comes to finals. You know what I mean? You can just continue to make your legacy legendary by continuing to add to it. All I can do is add layers to my cape. I can't take no layers away from Jordan's. I can't take no layers away from Kobe's. I can't take no layers away from anybody. All I can do is layer up my cake.
37:54Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. And if you think about it, the really the only person that they compare LeBron to is Jordan. He's the only one. Now we've tried to put it. You can try to put other guys and I'm cool with it. If you say Kareem, big guys normally don't get the credit. Mr. Russell, Will Chamberlain, Kareem, they never going to get the credit because they say, well, you had to have a guard to get you the ball. but if you really go back and think about it the only guy that's ever been mentioned consistently consistently with Mike is LeBron and you know why it's a debate but it's a matter of opinion I don't get mad, it's your opinion I'm like hey, Joe who's your favorite rapper man Joe say man you know what all fans being equal I like J.
38:39Shannon Sharpe:Cole and man you know I might say over him, over Pac over Rock him, over Big Daddy Kane Yeah, but that Joe's opinion. Oh, Joe, who's your favorite soccer player? Oh, Joe said it. You know, man, it's hard to go against Messi. After all the balls he's on one, he don't want a World Cup. He done done this and that. He said, but it's just something about Ronaldo's style that I can relate to more than the Messi style. That's his opinion on why he's choosing Ronaldo. I can't get mad at him. That's his opinion. And don't you, what's your favorite food, man? man, just give me some of this or some of that.
39:19Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, all the things you can eat. That's what you want. Okay, that's his opinion. But I done got Joe. Joe told me that porterhouse. I said, Joe, that thing. What they be ordering, Joe, their last meal, what they be getting? Ribby. They get the ribby. That thing's flavorful. I don't even know if I'll be able to eat. I'm going to have to try that out. I don't know if I'll be able to eat here. You tell me my last meal before you inject me. I don't know if I'll be able to eat. I'm going to keep it real. Hey, some people, hey, one guy, the only thing he wanted, one olive. All he wanted was an olive.
39:53Shannon Sharpe:Ooh. And he took the seed out. What did that mean? He took the seed out, put it in his pocket. Mm, so. Some people get, some people get, I mean, sometimes it's like, we're not getting you all that. Because some people are going lobster tails. They're people on ribs. They're people on mac and cheese, mashed potatoes, French fries, milkshakes you know because they say a lot of times it's so nostalgic for them because of what they you know what they remember is the last thing that they remember about being outside because most of the time you on death row you ain't been out in 20 30 years it's the last thing that they remember maybe it was something that they were eating when they grew up a sunday meal or they went somewhere with a family with a family and that's what they had so it's nostalgic for them knowing this is the last time i'm gonna ever eat Man, man.
40:46Shannon Sharpe:Damn. You said Joe say I don't even know if I'm hungry. Hey, go on, go on, cut my lights out. Hey, damn. Go on, cut my lights out. Let me go. Hey, let me on about it. Damn. Hey, get it over with him, Joe. Hey, you remember like how they were in life? Yeah. Hey, it's a bad, I don't even want no jello. I don't see that. I don't even want it. After what y 'all gonna do to me, I don't even want it.
41:13Shannon Sharpe:But if they stop being But I think the thing is Shouldn't we be greedy The last time I mean I don't know if it's last season Let's just say hypothetically it's his last season So what am I supposed to do You want me to go to the Kings Where you want me to go Where you want me to go And make It seems like everybody wants LeBron to do What they want to do to make them happy at the end of the day he has to make himself happy because he's going to have to be there for the next what from September all the way hopefully to late May April May hopefully into June yeah hey I want to see a show I want to see him go somewhere where they can put on a damn show we can be tuned in every night yeah that's what I want to see I want to see him go out with a baby I think we are Joe I think wherever he goes we're going to be tuned in yeah
42:05Joe Johnson:I can see yeah you know where the best show is that too?
42:09Shannon Sharpe:Well, in Vegas? In Vegas? Vegas got the best show?
42:14Joe Johnson:Nah, Vegas ain't got no team.
42:15Shannon Sharpe:Okay, I see where you're going.
42:18Joe Johnson:Yes, sir.
42:20Shannon Sharpe:So,
42:25Shannon Sharpe:I don't know. I think it's going to be the same thing no matter where he goes. Everybody's going to say he's ring chasing because all the teams have really good teams. I mean, they really do. I mean, you look at Bam. I mean, they've added Giannis to Miami, and they pair him with Bam, and they signed Tim Hardaway Jr. to have Davion Mitchell. They're looking, and they got Andrew Wiggins, so they're looking to probably fill out the roster with a few more pieces. We know what Philly got. They traded for Jalen Brown. They got Edgecombe. They got Maxie. They got Joel Embiid. Cleveland, we know. Harden, they signed Harden back.
42:56Shannon Sharpe:They just gave Donovan Mitchell a big deal. Excuse me. The two twin towers with Jared Allen and Evan Mobley. Okay. Golden State, we know Steph. I read today say the Nuggets be out of the running. So, I mean, but all these teams, aren't all these teams, don't these teams, even if they don't have LeBron, don't you think these teams, Joe and Ocho, think they got a chance to win the championship? Yeah, yeah. All the teams we talking about, they think they have. And I think it gets heightened if LeBron comes. Absolutely.
43:30Joe Johnson:Yeah, it puts them over the top, definitely. Absolutely. Even at 42.
43:37Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Absolutely. But that just goes to show you just how great he is, that the expectations you have on a guy that's 42. He's not 22. He's not 32. He stayed in his prime longer than anybody in basketball history, but there's still a level of expectation that comes along with him because he is LeBron James. And that's part of it. As long as he's playing, these are going to be his expectations. I'm going to hold you. Yeah, for sure. He could be 45. They're going to still expect the same thing. But I will say this, and people say he got thin skin. Nah. For him to have – had to endure this for 23 years and really never lash out at anybody.
44:18Shannon Sharpe:He's never really taken those shots. I mean, people might say, well, he did confront Stephen A. at the game. I don't even remember who they was playing. He confronted Stephen A. at the game. But most guys, they take the Twitter. or X and say what they say or they'll jump on somebody's platform but for the most part he hasn't. He hasn't. And I think that's a feat in and of itself. Yeah, yeah. After the Heat lost to the Mavericks that first time he may have said some little things in the media. Yeah, he said, yeah, you're right, you're right. But outside of that, you know, he's been he's been great.
45:05Shannon Sharpe:So, we'll see how it goes. Jalen Brunson game-worn jersey from game one of the NBA Finals sold for$1 million at auction. Can you imagine what his game-for jersey? So, Joe, you don't get to keep those jerseys? Nah, they'll have you take them off at halftime, switch jerseys, you know. Because they want multiple jerseys they can be able to sell. Uncle Ocho. Wow. I didn't know that. Yeah, like All-Star Games. Yeah, like All-Star Games, okay, boom. At halftime, you give us this jersey, we give you a whole nother jersey. And then those are the jerseys that y 'all see auctioned off and doing things like that.
45:44Shannon Sharpe:So, yeah. Wow. Okay. I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. Amen. Because I'm assuming Tom Brady got all seven of his Super Bowl jerseys, Ocho. Wouldn't you assume that? Yeah.
45:56Joe Johnson:Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I would assume that, but I doubt it.
45:59Shannon Sharpe:He probably got a half of one here. You know what? It might be a situation where fanatics have him now. Because, you know, he's... Yeah, probably. Yeah, they probably do. Yeah. I know them thing where the grip, too, aren't they? Oh, for sure. And he's got that sports memorabilia hall of fame. He has that at the... Wherever the Celtics play. The fountain blue. Is that the fountain blue? Because I was at the grand opening. I went to the grand opening of it. Oh, I did in Vegas. Yes, yes.
46:31Joe Johnson:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay.
46:33Shannon Sharpe:Tom Brady hitting them across the head, ain't it? Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
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