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15:15Shannon Sharpe:No more than two years. Oh, in college now, I applied myself, which I could have done in high school. But man, I took one book home my whole high school career. That's because the professor said, look, he say, Shannon, I'm gonna check your locker. If that book ain't gone, I'm gonna fail you in this class. I took it home, but I damn sure ain't opened it.

15:36Chad Johnson:Right, right.

15:41Shannon Sharpe:But I just listened. I got my listen, man, damn them classes, man. I wasn't thinking about them. My grandma said, ooh, that boy must be done did his lesson at school.

15:53Nah, Granny. Your baby ain't do no lesson at school. Ain't on no way home from school or at home. That lesson ain't got done. But that's the problem now, Joe. And plus, a lot of these parents are living vicariously through the child.

16:13Shannon Sharpe:They were not able to play at the next level. They were not able to play basketball or football or whatever the case may be, Ocho and Joe. And so now I'm going to live through the kids. You, Ocho, your son say, hey, daddy, that ain't for me. Okay, cool. That was my dream. That's not yours. Joe, you want your son to do it, but you know that's your dream. That's not his. My dream is mine. God gave me this vision. He didn't share it with nobody else. He didn't tell my sister, you know, your baby brother, he's going to be X, Y, and Z. He didn't share it with my mom. He didn't share it with my grandma.

16:47He gave it to me. Yeah, yeah. I'm not living my life through my kids. You don't want to play? Okay, fine, what you want to do? Daddy, I think the school academic thing. Hold on, you gonna do something. Oh, the academic thing, okay. You got to do something.

17:06Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, hey, my son, hey, dad, I think the academic thing for me. Okay, cool.

17:14Chad Johnson:Do whatever you can to help him academically. What I did academically? Well, he went to private school all the way up to his senior year. And then I paid all the way through college. So I did everything. Hey, whatever you want, hey.

17:33What? I thought you was in the bed. Man, I don't.

17:41Chad Johnson:he say damn that

17:45Thanos up

17:48Shannon Sharpe:he say it's a little early because we came he say we normally come at 7 I mean go on to 8, 8.30 sometime 9 and I'm able to go I get put to bed

18:01hold on

18:08Chad Johnson:yeah man

18:18Chad Johnson:Oh, Joe, what time y 'all get to it tomorrow, bro? We don't play till 5 o 'clock. We play Club America team for Mexico. But in the morning, I'm going to see Bill Belichick down in North Carolina. Oh, yeah? Did you find somewhere to eat it? Oh, yeah. that's that hey joe that's what i'm drinking here uh the tropical front is called nana morrison's yeah yeah boy i like it boy buffet style you know you get to pick what you want if they put it on your plate like hey joe i got my chocolate cake from nana morrison's and all right okay all right i see i see it's good it's good boy it's real good yeah yeah what would you what would you what you would you what you did today nothing nah you know me man i uh went to the gym got that little workout Got in, got in that pool.

19:08What kind of gym? I hope it was the basketball. But the basketball, right?

19:11Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah, yeah. I worked on that too. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I keep that sharp. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. It's like a barber with a razor. You know what I mean? I keep mine. I work on mine daily, partner. Okay. I'm just making a show. I'm just making a show. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Because I don't want to hit no excuses. Oh, Joe. You really, this really ain't what you want, partner. I don't know why you keep barking up this tree. I'm just going to keep it warm. Hey, Joe, one thing about trees, they get chopped down, boy. I'm keeping it 100, bro. Hey, I'm keeping it 100. Hey, call me Paul Bunyan, huh?

19:42You talking about you a tree, I'm chopping your ass down, boy.

19:45Chad Johnson:Oh, Joe, it really ain't what you want. I'm trying to spare you, you know what I'm saying? Hey, Joe, the only spare I know about is the one in the trunk of my car, Joe. Huh? You hear me? All right. That's the only spare I know about. Any other spare, I don't know any definition outside of that. All right. Well, I guess once we kick it off, I don't want you copping out of the plea, man. I ain't going to cop no plea. The only plea I know is in court. Okay. We ain't in court. We're going to be on the court, but not in court. Okay. All right. If I kick it off, it's going to be a foot. You ain't going to be able to see it where it's going.

20:22Shannon Sharpe:Ebron revealed that Matthew Stafford was dislocating his head and Megatron fingers with his passes. Let's take a listen to what he's going to say. Copenhagen Spit Free packs American-grown tobacco into pouches. Made for when your elbow's deep in an engine block. They're masked up, torching deep cuts into stubborn pipes. Her helmet's on, riding deep into backcountry. When there's no time or space to spit, grab Copenhagen Spit Free Pouches. Find them in stores today. Not all varieties available in all geographies. Warning, this product can cause mouth cancer. I was struggling. I wasn't catching the ball.

21:04Stafford throw hard as hell. I ain't never seen no shit like this. He done dislocated four of my fingers. I'm trying to figure this nigga out. I'm telling him, I'm like, cuz, you ain't gotta throw that shit that hard, bro. I'm five yards in front of you nigga, like, chill. He letting that motherfuckin' go. He letting it fly. Right? And no, he's still good. Like, you know, that's my job to catch the fucking ball, right? But Megatron used to tape his fingers this way because he done also fucked up Megatron shit. So he's like, I'm going to teach you my ways of just dealing with shit. Damn. Yeah, I can see that.

21:41Brett Favre had that same problem too, huh? John. John was tearing the webbing. The webbing, you think? Yeah. I heard that.

21:49Chad Johnson:I'm going to put some heat on that ball in it, man.

21:52Shannon Sharpe:Man, that joke was so hard, man. It was cool in practice, but like warm up on a game now here's adrenaline's going so now he getting amped up Yeah, man. And so when I first get there down to give you one pair of gloves The reason why people like my man you wear gloves in the game Why you catch the ball in pregame without gloves cuz John was ripping them And so I get to the game and I ain't got no gloves cuz he don't rip them in warm-ups So I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna catch the ball by my bare hands. At least I have gloves in the game But our man and it Cole Jesus You got to catch that thing with your body Look at you.

22:34It's hard to catch it with your body cuz that thing hit if you don't like this here that thing Boom, it's gone. Yeah, it bounced off. Yes It's gold. Oh, Joe. Yeah It's gone Hey, it's a few quarterbacks that had that arm like that with that arm talent. I think Aaron Rodgers is another one. But Rodgers, he doesn't throw a loaded ball like Elway, Marino, like Stafford. You look at them and you can tell they throw loaded balls. Yeah. Pause. Brett Favre. Yeah, Favre. Well, who else? Off the top of your head. Elway, Marino, Favre. Stafford

23:16Chad Johnson:Oh yeah I think I think Vic threw a 9th bullet

23:22What about Vic huh Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah But you man Vic you see how tight That spiral is on his I mean it's just a flick You see I was gonna say a little flick of the wrist Probably Josh Allen Oh bingo That's a good one That's a good one That's a good one But yeah I mean boy look here the thing is now he gonna get it to you so you get an opportunity to protect yourself over the middle Joe Ocho so you can appreciate that but boy you running that shallow cross you're like god you can damn near hand it to me cuz

24:01Chad Johnson:he put some foul on that thing anyway it ain't nothing like a quarterback Joe that know how much velocity to put on the ball based on how far you are yeah Everything don't got to be a bullet.

24:17Shannon Sharpe:Over the middle, you appreciate it, because you know I spent a lot of time over the middle, Joe. So I appreciate it. I damn sure appreciate it getting there in a hurry. He say getting it to your queen. Boy, I'm trying to get that armadillo shit.

24:35Man, hey. Boy, they were hurting people back then.

24:39Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah.

24:41Shannon Sharpe:Jason Kelsey said he feels the league is drifting away from Sunday being the most important day of football. It's an institution at this point. The NFL playing games on Sunday with every day that we keep adding in there, we're getting away from that just a little bit. And I worry that I think the game got too big. One of the reasons it's gotten so popular and big was because all the games. It was an event. Sunday in the NFL was like, and everybody set their week apart and to tune into the games that were happening on Sunday, and you're watching kind of all of them. Ocho, do you agree that the NFL is kind of drifting away from Sunday because this year we're going to have a game on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, and Monday?

25:27Chad Johnson:Agreed. I don't think so because you think about all the other games that you just named that happened during the week. It's only one game, huh? It's only one game. Maybe sometimes, maybe two. Sunday is still the meat and potatoes of the NFL. Sunday is still the most important day of games slated at 1 o 'clock, at 4 o 'clock, and obviously a 7.30 game, maybe 8.25 games. So Sunday is still the meat and potatoes of the NFL, but having those other games sporadically throughout the year, during the weekdays, is about the money at the end of the day. Yeah, for sure. Understand what the bottom line is.

26:02Understand why we have more games. Understand why players are going to get a bigger piece of the pie. is because of the games that have been added. So I'm sure Mr. Kelsey understands the business side of it, but Sunday will – the main thing will always be the main thing, and that's Sunday games, 1 o 'clock, 425, and 830.

26:21Chad Johnson:Nah, NFL ain't got greedy as hell. Yeah, they want to play. Y 'all playing on Christmas. Y 'all trying to take over Christmas. They don't do it. Trying to take over Christmas.

26:31Shannon Sharpe:Done.

26:32Chad Johnson:Come on, man. Come on, man. Damn. It's over Hey Joe it's about the money You understand Follow the money Follow the money baby That's what these sports franchises do That's what it's always been about Joe It's always been about They give you a different message publicly But if you understand the game You understand the ecosystem And the way they do things And the way they've always done things It's about continuing to not only grow the game but make as much money as possible doing so. Yeah. Going forward. If you think about it, these streaming services,

27:11Shannon Sharpe:they got loads of cash. They want to be taken serious as a network. You've got to have live sporting events.

27:18Chad Johnson:Live events, yeah.

27:19Shannon Sharpe:The number one sporting event to have is what? NFL football. Now, we can't get it on Sunday. What other day can we get it on? Can we get it on a Thursday? Amazon said we'll take it on Thursday. Right. can we get it on Friday can we get it on now at some point in time these networks CBS NBC they're going to lose out because they ain't got much money as Netflix they ain't got as much money as Amazon Amazon absolutely not they're going to lose out it's that simple NFL ain't got no NFL about a dollar y 'all can go back and talk about well you know what uh They've been broadcasting on NBC and CBS for 60 years.

28:08Shannon Sharpe:Y 'all remember what Jerry told them. They wanted to give CBS a discount. Jerry said, no, we ain't got no discount. Right. They got this upstart network called Fox. Think about it. Nobody knew what Fox, the only people that knew what you knew for Fox for, this damn Simpsons in news. yeah dig it to NFL ta-da

28:39yeah

28:41Shannon Sharpe:I mean it's not complicated like you said Ocho in order to grow in order to increase revenue what must I do I've got to add games there ain't no way I mean we've tapped out I mean what I mean Everything is sponsored. We done got every beer company. We done got every pizza company. We done got every shoe company. We done got every car service. We done got Mercedes. We done got BMW. We done got Kia. We done got GMC. We done got everybody. Okay, now where we going? Okay, we done got little Papa John's. We done got Domino's. We done got Pizza Hut. We done got Little Caesars. Okay, now where we going?

29:20We got Gatorade. We got Powerade. What else we got? We got water. We done had Sprint. We had Verizon. We had AT &T. Yeah. Boosting Mint next.

29:36I'm just kidding.

29:42Shannon Sharpe:They're only so much money, Ocho. And if you're going to get it from somewhere else, you got to – Okay, how do I get more money? I just add more games. So guess what? That's it. Eventually, Roger Goodell said the other day he wants 16 international games. And guess what? It used to be teams could protect certain home games. No more. You can't protect ish, Jerry. You can't protect nothing.

30:11I like it too. You know, being that we're playing overseas a little bit, helping to continue to grow the game. Because continuing to grow the game and adding more eyes and more viewers abroad across that bridge, to help generate more revenue. Yeah. They got them. Yeah. You know, you're a squeeze, you're a squeeze all of America like a goddamn lemon.

30:34Shannon Sharpe:Look at man. Yeah. NFL say - Let me go get some of this money over there. Let me go get some of this money over there. Oh, Joe. NFL say we can make lemonade out of anything. They say, give us bullshit. We'll squeeze it hard enough, we'll make lemonade out of that.

30:50They had beets, now they got bowls. Yep.

30:57It'll be about a dollar. And I don't blame them. Me too. No, but I got a limit.

31:06Shannon Sharpe:I got a limit on what I will do for the dollar. Cause I've turned down some opportunities. I'm like, it is just on the line with, it doesn't align with who I am. Right. Hey, like Cassie, sometimes you got to tell them no. All good money. It ain't, Ocho. It ain't. But, look, it is what it is. The problem that you got, Joe, Ocho, we're not going back. Nope. You're not. I mean, it used to be Sunday, Monday. The only time you got a Thursday game was what, Ocho? Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving. You got the Cowboys and you got the Lions. Those were the two teams, and it goes back. and they got grandfathered because nobody wanted to play on Thanksgiving.

31:56Cowboys said we'll do it. Lions said we'll do it. So they got grandfathered in. Then everybody saw like, hey man, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Those two were grandfathered in. Now you might end up playing them, but you're not going to get your own game. You know what? What if we add a later game? You know, we got a one and a four. We have night games on Sunday night. We play Monday night, Ocho and Joe. Why couldn't we play a Thursday night? Hmm.

32:28Chad Johnson:Just greedy. Hey, what y 'all pay for a Thursday night game? You know, just looking around, you know, we might be able to add a Thursday night game if you like it.

32:47It is what it is, man. That's just the way it works, man. NFL's corner of the market.

32:53Shannon Sharpe:Like I said, Joe, y 'all might as well move out Christmas.

32:56Chad Johnson:Nah, nah, nah, nah. We ain't moving nowhere now.

33:00Shannon Sharpe:Joe, you do –

33:01Chad Johnson:Joe, y 'all getting$3 million. The NFL getting$25,$30 on Christmas. You do realize people sit around. It used to be y 'all, oh, man, basketball coming on. Now, ain't nobody looking for y 'all, Joe. I'm telling you. At all, at all, Joe. Nah, y 'all tripping. Y 'all tripping. Y 'all tripping. Joe, you see the number - Come on, man, on Christmas. You see the number of the football game we doing. I know, because y 'all done got greedy. What you mean, y 'all? We got to - The NFL, you an Ocho. You an Ocho, the NFL. Y 'all done got greedy. Joe, we trying to grow the game, Joe. Yeah, we are too.

33:45Hey, Joe, I don't know, Joe. Joe think about it what was

33:50Shannon Sharpe:when we were growing up what was America's pastime baseball when last time you heard somebody mention baseball Joe they play it right now even when they have the World Series guess when they have the World Series in October guess what's going on in October football if your team ain't in the World Series and watch the football.

34:19Chad Johnson:Absolutely. Absolutely.

34:26I wish I could tell you something.

34:28Chad Johnson:Hey, that's why they got us on all these damn apps, trying to watch all these damn games. Hey, Joe, you got the hat by 50 apps, man. I'm watching the phone too. Come on, man. Hey, we got, hell, NFL coming on ABC, Peacock, NBC. or Netflix, Amazon, CBS, Fox. Damn. They're coming on seven different. Me too. Yeah.

34:55Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

34:59Shannon Sharpe:Oh, he go picks up at the ball game? Who did it? Okay. Okay.

35:13Shannon Sharpe:Oh, the Dodgers. fear Kendall George suffered a significant knee injury Monday night while trying to avoid a bat dog. The athletic George ranked number nine in the Dodgers system. The Tulsa drillers are suspending their bat dog program after Dodgers prospect Kendall George was hurt trying to avoid a bat dog. So he was rounding the bases. Right.

35:55mind you i never saw him that's where i sent that

35:59Shannon Sharpe:huh no yeah yeah i'm i'm a i'm a huge dog advocate and i'm sorry uh bro you had your nice little gig but when somebody gets hurt you got to go especially a prospect at that this ain't just no anybody getting hurt yeah damn yeah

36:25so who so oh he was with the bases the base had to be loaded or something no he didn't hit it because look what he got on his hands those are sliders so he don't jam his fingers around the bases

36:42Yeah. Okay.

36:47Chad Johnson:Now, Ocho, I used to do a softball game back home in Little Rock every year. Yeah. Slapping that thing, you hear me? You knock it out of the park, Joe? You hit the baseball? Huh? You knock it out of the park? Come on, man. Stop playing with me, man. Come on. Here we go. What? Ocho, Ocho. Now you know how to do it. What? i see i see all these guys throwing out the first pitch they see i threw out the first pitch in yankee stadium man straight down the pipe strike yeah come on man i wanted the cincinnati reds to let me throw out the first pitch i guess i i don't think you better get across the plate oh joe no hey joe i was a five two in high school joe i was like show who you're tiny joe don't man hey you always talk about something in high school that was 30 years ago what that mean you ain't You ain't got it like that, what I'm saying.

37:35It's called muscle memory, Joe.

37:38Chad Johnson:Well, Ocho, when last time you threw a baseball? Huh? A Honda. I said, when last time you threw a baseball? Not recently. Probably about seven years ago. Maybe about seven years ago. Oh, no, you know what? I played in Logan Wilson. Logan Wilson softball game. I played shortstop in three different sports. Hey, listen, I'm still throwing it. That's all that matters. He asked me last time I threw a baseball. Now, the baseball is a little small. I was still throwing it. Yeah. You know, I was a hell of a shortstop back in 87, huh? You was at the bus stop. No, I said I was a shortstop. I played shortstop in first base.

38:28All right, now it's time for Play of Fade presented by PrizePix.

38:44Shannon Sharpe:Julian Champagny more or less than 10 points

38:51Chad Johnson:at home I'm going to say I'm going to say more Champagny I know he was on fire last game I think he get 10 though Go, Joe. You know what? I'm going to go with Joe. Matter of fact, you know what? I'm going to go against Joe because Joe ain't been right all goddamn playoff long. Well, hey, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. If Champini don't get 10, y 'all probably going to lose the damn game.

39:16Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, so you better hope he get 10, Joe, Ocho. All right. All right. We're going more. Lugar, Dork. More or less than five points. I'm going to say less.

39:34Chad Johnson:You know what he out there for. His physicality. Yeah. He ain't scoring that ball like that. I mean, two threes will put him over with, but nah.

39:46Shannon Sharpe:All right, we're going under. Shea, more or less than 30 and a half points.

39:52Chad Johnson:I'm saying less. In San Antonio, game six.

40:03Chad Johnson:I hope he proved me wrong but I'm saying less what you got Ocho? I'm going with less Ocho you sound like you want to go more man

40:19Shannon Sharpe:I sure wish I knew what the fish was because it's not like he's shooting at a high percentage but when you go to the line 16, 17, 20 times and you make 17 of the 18, you make 16 of the 17, Joe, you ain't got to make six field goals and you there.

40:40Chad Johnson:But he's only had two 30-point games in this series and they both been at home.

40:46Shannon Sharpe:All right. Well, Joe say less, so take less. Victor Wimbanyama will have more or less than 11.5 two-point field goal attempts.

40:57Chad Johnson:More, more. He better. You need to talk to the media either. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're going to say that's the reason if he don't have. Yeah. If they don't win. Well, this is the reason why they did. Yeah, you know, they had all. Hey, hey, Ms. Johnson already said 15 shot attempts won enough. So I can imagine they're going to do whatever they can to get them touches.

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42:11Shannon Sharpe:All right, it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A. Hey, somebody, somebody do that, man. Hey, who's the man? I couldn't imagine Dave Ochoa. shit

42:28Chad Johnson:they say what somebody I couldn't imagine dating Ocho shoot I couldn't imagine dating you either you know in the chat dude

42:37Shannon Sharpe:they be trying to throw low blows they be trying to throw low blows at you Ocho I don't know what they don't see my baby back there in the background nah but they be like man Regina Hall wouldn't date you and I'm like I got a better chance of dating Regina Hall than you gotta date me while we keep it on stack I've seen that, I've seen that. I like Regina. Me too, but you know, hey, hey, I'm taking care of. I'm taking care of Joe.

43:03Chad Johnson:I can hook you up. Oh, you spoken for already. Yeah. Oh, aren't you good? You spoken for? Hey, I'm spoken. In the world of hope, Joe, spoken word.

43:22word. Y 'all always start something, man.

43:27Chad Johnson:Now we just trying to see what's going on. Hey, Joe, I got a little get together going on next week, Joe, or next Thursday. What do you mean? In Atlanta. What kind of get together? I got a little get together, man. I'm going to send you the invite, Joe. Oh, okay, say less. Say less. Yeah, you know I'm gonna pull up. Hey, when is it again? Huh? Hey, listen, I gotta check my schedule. Hey, Ocho, stay on some wood job, y 'all. I'm just asking, let y 'all know, man. You know, let's see if I'm free. Hey, Miss Cambodia. Hey, Cambodia, how you doing in the back? I'm doing good, thank you.

44:12Shannon Sharpe:Reginald Green saying, was living like Ocho when he first put that hit on Chris Slade. Except you won Ocho long every time with Ray.

44:22Chad Johnson:Every time. Yeah, it wasn't nothing wrong with it. But see, the key is, is I kept going back. You hear me? I don't know why. I had to set the tone for my team to show them boys, man, I don't care. He put his pants on one leg at a time, just like me. Hey. I'm at your head every time. even if I do lose. Hey, Joe, if me and you fight and you whoop me, Joe, you're going to have to fight me every day I see you, Joe. You're going to have to kill me. You hear me? Yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, I already know you a fool. You hear me? Yeah, yes, sir. So if that's what you want, then you know, hey. Joe, not only am I a fool, Joe, like I ain't scared of nothing, boy, except that man upstairs.

45:01So you already know you got your hands full. You hear me? Okay.

45:05Chad Johnson:All right. You touch that court? hey hey hey hey now damn damn that court damn that court i need my three minutes first give me my three minute fade and then you know after that you know we we can do whatever joe boy one of your ads gonna be closed hey hey hey and i've seen you aberto out there shadow shadowing you know i've seen y 'all hey hey joe you see you see how sharp i am joe you see how sharp i am hey i'm polished now when it comes to the sweet signs i'm polished now i got a great foundation joe and i hey hey and i see you in south power i've been i've been in south power you just tried to switch to that stage hey hey hey hey hey hey i grew up in the south and i'm a south pole you know what that mean huh okay all right you might want to rethink it no no no it's right up my alley you hear me that man to church hey hey hey um you know hey the church just want my money i ain't going there right now Hey, don't take no money.

46:09Oh no, you know, they got the credit card machine that church has.

46:13Shannon Sharpe:They sure do, debit card, all that. Yeah. Oh, everybody got it on their phone.

46:19Chad Johnson:Matter of fact, they want you to do automatic pay. So you ain't, you laughing, Ocho laughing. They want you to do automatic pay. You gonna fill it out, that way we just get it out of their money. You don't have to worry about that. We ain't got to worry about it. Come on, man. Hey, Joe, stop lying, man. Man, I ain't lying. I'm not lying, bro. That way, even if you don't come, we still get it. Hello. Yeah.

46:48Hey, you got to be playing.

46:52Shannon Sharpe:Man, shh. Hey, that's funny. Speaking with the media after a loss isn't easy, but when you pray for rain, you got to deal with the mud, too. You do?

47:00Chad Johnson:Yep. Yep, it's part of it, bro. I done been there. Hey, all they want is that one good sound bite. They know your emotions high, and they know you gonna give them something good. They gonna be there waiting. Part of it.

47:17Shannon Sharpe:Oh, 30 day check in to your birthday. I'm down six pounds. Not where I wanna be, small progress. Where you at? I'm down. J-Dub, your boy getting there. Your boy getting there. Hey, I see it. I see a little, you know, like, okay. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You know, for a while then I was having to, you know, keep my shirt on.

47:41That's never a good sign, you know what I'm saying? I mean, hey, what you think?

47:45Chad Johnson:Hell, yeah. But, you know, I'm still a little so - Damn, man. It seemed like June got here so quick. Man, June got here quick, bro. It was quick, huh? Time be flying. And I was just thinking about like, I can get this thing a little early tonight, I might go get Chick-fil-A. Hey, matter of fact, hey, you know what? What's today? Today, Thursday, right? Okay, I'm gonna see what they got going on in Raleigh tonight, man. It's early. Hey, hey, hey, hey, baby in bed too, it's a wrap. Yeah, ain't nothing going on. So the suitcase right there, right there with clothes.

48:24Shannon Sharpe:I mean, you need to put something on, man. Man, it's about to be midnight. Y 'all ain't doing nothing. Right. No, we don't play tomorrow till 5 o 'clock. Y 'all ain't doing nothing. Ain't nothing to do. Oh, she said the strip club right down the street. What's up? The greatest trio in sports media. I'm re-watching The Last Dance. I wanted to ask y 'all tonight what y 'all thought about when Jordan abruptly retired. Shocked like everybody else?

48:54Chad Johnson:Oh, man, I was hurt. Thought it was a lie? I was hurt. I was hurt. Ooh, I was hurt. What was that? 93? After they won in 93? 93? I was hurt, bro.

49:05Shannon Sharpe:Because he – it was 93, 94 because they won the championship, 91, 92, 92, 93, 93, 94. And he retired like what? In June that year.

49:19Chad Johnson:Boy, I remember that, boy. I was about 13 years old. I was hurt.

49:25Shannon Sharpe:No, let's see. It wasn't 90. So the Pistons won in 90. Jordan won in 92, 91, 92, 93. So, yeah. I was surprised. I was shocked. I was like, damn. I was like, really? But, you know, he had a lot of things going on. The sudden, the tragic passing of his dad. I mean, he just had a lot going on. And, you know.

49:48Chad Johnson:But then the 3P and then retire. Like, yeah. at the top. You got to realize he was at the top. He was at the apex. Ain't many people going to do that, bro. Hell nah. Hell nah.

50:03Shannon Sharpe:And then come back and do it all over again.

50:07Chad Johnson:Ooh, three-peat again. Man, stop playing.

50:12Shannon Sharpe:Yo, Iso, I seen your son shooting on your story a couple of weeks back. You think you got one? But love the show, fellas.

50:24Chad Johnson:Yeah, he got a chance. Honestly, he in junior college now, so now you know after junior college, you do two years of junior college, you can still go power five for four years. So, man, all I tell him, bro, is just keep working. You know what I mean? I work the competition. You know, perfect your craft, because he ain't big now. He ain't got no height. How tall is it, Joe? Boy, barely six foot. Damn! Yeah, he barely six foot. So when you smile like that, I tell him, boy, you got to be a hellraiser. You got to. You got to be AI. Or Taylor Bronson. Not only do you have to be one of those guys, but defensively, you have to be able to make guys uncomfortable.

51:07Chad Johnson:Yeah. You know what I mean? Because that's what, you know, because you got to understand, coaches ain't recruiting these little bitty dudes no more. Unless you picking up full court, turning your guy four, five times before you get across a half court. Yeah. Well, it's going to be hard for you to play. Yeah, you're right, Joe. You're right.

51:25Shannon Sharpe:You're right. But I also thank Joe because you're not putting that pressure on him. Look, this is what it takes to get there. If you want it, you'll take these steps if that's what you want.

51:39Chad Johnson:Right.

51:40Shannon Sharpe:Now, you can tell me anything. I ain't got no choice but to believe you because you're my son. But I tell you what, I see better than I hear. Hello. I hear what you're saying, but I don't see that work. that i'm asking you that's required of you to do hey there you go there you go it's a

51:56Chad Johnson:a uncle there's only so much i could do i could tell you about it but hell if i'm telling you every day make make sure you get your hundred your 200 push-ups in make sure you get your hundred 200 squats in i'm talking about before you leave the house yeah you know do do something on your own if you're only getting better when you hang out with your friends man you're right listen bro you got to be able to lock in when ain't nobody watching

52:20Shannon Sharpe:Uh, ISO, name your top five ISO NBA players ever. Uh, Kobe T-Mac, James Harden.

52:39Uh, I guess I put Jordan in there.

52:51Chad Johnson:come on y 'all help me out who y 'all got I so god miss you uh you got mellow would you say uh you got mellow you got uh that's a great iso player would you say durant which I can would y 'all consider to rent yeah he is but I think the thing is like

53:15Shannon Sharpe:I would say mellow I would put mellow as far as just iso because you know A.

53:21Chad Johnson:Melo was a damn bull in a China shop, bro. You got AI? That's who I go, AI. I'm telling you. I'm telling you, man. I know people see highlights of AI, but AI was barely six foot. You couldn't touch him, bro. You could not touch that man. You hear me?

53:46Shannon Sharpe:Can you shout out my brother Jeremiah? and his son Saint. We love the show and still King Ocho O, who's the toughest team you ever played that shut you down? Jeremiah Saint, thank you guys. Appreciate you. Appreciate you supporting the show by watching. Hope all's well on your end. Again, keep up the great work, whatever you guys are doing. Ocho the toughest team you ever played that shut you down? there wasn't no team the coaches calling some bull jive not getting me to rock

54:25Chad Johnson:hey hey them damn spurs teams always been good bro hey hey if it weren't for them hell i probably had me a championship or two damn damn uh uh uh tim duncan tony parker genobley yeah them boys had it bro pop had them boys hey hey he had them boys like a well or was boris d on that team when you were there

54:52Chad Johnson:uh no boris wasn't on that team

55:00Chad Johnson:they had steven jackson was on that team okay uh yeah

55:06Shannon Sharpe:you know that was what you call him what's the guy sean elliot he wasn't on that team

55:10Chad Johnson:either huh he was on that yeah they had bruce bowen bruce bowen was on that team stephen jackson bruce bowen that's the kobe stopper i get i mean i guess yeah i don't really know it wasn't no damn kobe stopper but who gave him that damn name i remember that i ain't watched basketball back then uh uh somebody something like that i think i think they gave reuben patterson that name for for the Trailblazers. Trailblazers. Yeah, Rube. I used to see Rube all the time in Cincinnati. Yeah, yeah. They gave Rube there because, you know, Rube played for the Lakers. I guess him and Kobe used to go at it a lot.

55:45Shannon Sharpe:Okay. Well, you know they gave, what you call him, Dominique brother, the Jordan stopper.

55:52Chad Johnson:Oh, yeah. Yeah. Gerald Wilkins. Gerald Wilkins, yeah. Wait, stopping him in practice or in game? Because he was with the Knicks.

56:02Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, he was with the Knicks, yep. man. Joey's going to get his bucket.

56:10Chad Johnson:Shit, man, what?

56:12Shannon Sharpe:Best defender, Wimby, Chet, or Elgato?

56:19Who's Elgato? Your camera that keep going out? My camera didn't go out today. There you go, D. Oh, no, that was the internet. I did 24 hours. So when I logged on yesterday, and it cut off at the same time we logged in yesterday. Hey, man,

56:42Shannon Sharpe:dude say Ocho use a hotspot he got from a dude named Seymour.

56:51But that's what happened. I didn't want to pay for extra days.

56:56Shannon Sharpe:I just turned 21 on the 19th. I purchased some La Porte. Man, I don't even got to say much. I'm on my second bottle right now. My goals, much love to you guys. Keep me entertained every day. Thank you so much. I appreciate that. Thank you for your support. I'm glad you like it. I told you, man, it's smooth. No artificial color, no artificial flavors. Just good old, good old perfection. Joe, we got you coming. We got something coming your way, man, so be on the lookout.

57:21Chad Johnson:Okay. All right.

57:24Shannon Sharpe:Let me know now. Don't forget your boy. Hey, you don't drink. I'm going to just leave it there for decoration. And Bodie say she drink, uh. Cal Bode, you want a bottle? Yeah. Yeah. Hey, you know, she take them sparks too now. What? Yeah. All right, now. All right. You got it. Hey,

57:51it ain't just for men. Come on now. You got to chill. You got to chill. Hey, listen, until you try it, Joe. Bocho, you can't be telling that you taking the spark. Oh, that gotta be a secret. Right. Oh no, it's too late. I mean, they know from the show. But I mean, you be talking. Yeah, I mean, that we already do.

58:12Chad Johnson:Right. Hey, hey, hey. You gotta, hey, y 'all out. You slip to the bathroom, go on, put it in there. You know, you got about an hour for y 'all. I'm with you on your right now. Hey, you gotta make them say like we still him. Hey, hey. Man. I don't really too much like lying, huh? You know, if I got something out, you know? Oh, now he don't like lying. Exactly, Joe. Okay, Joe. Joe, you know my motto, man. I lie for you before I lie to you, man. Okay, all right. Yeah, man, done built a great brand, a great foundation. Who, me? Yeah, you. Yeah. Yeah, being honest and truthful, yeah.

58:55Shannon Sharpe:Great show. Feels like bros hanging out. Is it really work if you're having fun? And yeah, adding AI would have caught the hair pull by Hartenstein, too. Yeah, exactly.

59:13Shannon Sharpe:Two-part question. If Yao Ming was in his prime now, would he dominate the league? Number two, ISO, did you ever play against Yao Ming?

59:22Chad Johnson:Man, I played against Yao Ming in AAU in the Peace Jam. We came down here in Atlanta and we played in the Peace Jam when I was in high school. And he played on a team from China. We mopped them boys. And then obviously, you know, playing against them in the league. But he was a handful, bro. Yeah. Handful. Nice touch. He asked would he dominate the league today. Not if he couldn't shoot the three. Yeah, it's just, but you know what? They don't even, I mean, go ahead, Joe. I say he was slow. He was slow and methodical. Yeah, the game has changed, bro. The game, they'll run his big ass to death.

1:00:04That's why I'm saying, unless he's going to be able to shoot the three. Joe, he's Zach Eady. Yeah. He's Zach Eady. Yeah. Zach Eady would have been great back then. Yeah. But the game now is so up and down.

1:00:18Chad Johnson:them boys gonna be laboring getting up and down that court they're gonna be flying right by him

1:00:25Shannon Sharpe:all right so who would you rather have critiquing you uncle skip at the same time ocho and stephen a

1:00:37i'm going uncle skill damn i ain't gonna lie hey oh oh oh boy i didn't miss i didn't miss many of

1:00:47Chad Johnson:them undisputed is in the morning now. I ain't miss many of them, I'm telling you. Hey, I used to be tuned in, boy. Joe, what year you retired?

1:01:00Chad Johnson:The last year I played, I think it was 20, 21. I did like a 10 day with Boston, but outside of that. Yeah, we was, that was,

1:01:14Shannon Sharpe:before COVID, I think COVID changed a lot for us because after that point, we didn't really have guests come in. Yeah. That changed really a lot for us. But prior to COVID, we were in a groove. We were in a groove. And it was just basically it was me versus you. Your take versus mine.

1:01:35Chad Johnson:Hey, I know y 'all ratings was high as hell over there.

1:01:38Shannon Sharpe:Hey, we were doing it, man. because hey and people like well you know you you choose a side no it just so happens he's a cowboy fan i wasn't he was a jordan fan i was a brawn fan uh it just it just lined up it worked where what he liked i did i was opposed and what i like he opposed and it was it was great it was great yeah and when i left i was done with it all right man man man you bro yeah i try to needle him and But he tried to needle me too. So we need each other. Hey, what do you guys rank Clyde Drexler among shooting guards? Old Clyde.

1:02:20Chad Johnson:Old Clyde and he in top five. So you got Jordan, Kobe, Wade, Harden, Clyde? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Clyde in there. Clyde was a bad boy, man. you talk hey you talking about athletic oh yeah oh my god he had a funky jump shot but he got it done yeah

1:02:45Shannon Sharpe:glad glad was flushing on folks man iso the armadillo cowboy

1:02:56Shannon Sharpe:what call you the armadillo uh joe

1:03:03Chad Johnson:the armadillo cowboy yeah

1:03:12yeah oh oh joe they say oh uh they say that's one of your nicknames

1:03:22Chad Johnson:I'm the Armadillo Cowboy who gave me that nickname

1:03:24Shannon Sharpe:on basketball reference they say that's one of your nicknames

1:03:28Chad Johnson:man come on tell me what they say now come on okay Joe like the nicknames ISO Joe, Joe Cool, Big Shot Joe and Armadillo Cowboy where the hell Armadillo Cowboy come from I don't know Joe I'm just saying you need to take that out Yeah, man, y 'all give me the number to call, man, so those people get that right.

1:03:56Shannon Sharpe:RIP to my father, Rodney Murphy Chapman Sr. We love the show. Thank you, man. Appreciate that. Sorry for your loss. And my thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family, as do everyone here at Nightcap. So stay prayed up, and hopefully you find peace and comfort in this troubled time. But thanks for supporting the show. Hey, Ocho, I so love the show. I'm in barber school and realizing how hard it is staying confident and consistent while learning something new. How do you push through and keep believing in yourself?

1:04:28Chad Johnson:Staying consistent, bro.

1:04:31Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

1:04:31Chad Johnson:Gotta keep going. Who will? It's going to be up and down. It's going to be up and down, especially when you're trying to perfect the craft. Man. Especially bar, especially barber school. Boy, you know how much pressure on you, but you cannot mess up nobody. Yeah, these days, not them days, they days. Hey.

1:04:54Shannon Sharpe:It's different.

1:04:56Chad Johnson:Yeah.

1:04:57Shannon Sharpe:That's important. Back in the day, you mess up somebody here and they're just like, all right, bro, I ain't coming back to see you no more. Now they might have the day, they have to see you.

1:05:05Chad Johnson:Hey, back in the day, boy, you get to cut$5. Yeah. I remember them days. It was$2. Not no more.

1:05:18Shannon Sharpe:Shit, not no more. Oh, nah, these dudes here, I mean, they think they professional athletes wanna charge 200, 300 dollars for a haircut. Man, you kick rocks.

1:05:31Hey. Hey, Joe. What's up? Hey, what do you call a man that can't stand?

1:05:40Call him what you want, he ain't gonna come no, Joe.

1:05:44Chad Johnson:what do you call a man they can't stand yeah kickstand uh

1:06:00what'd you call it i don't know neil

1:06:16Y 'all the best for sure on the internet.

1:06:19Shannon Sharpe:Hey, ISO, I was watching some of the 2011 NBA footage. Tell these nonbelievers how good MVP D. Rose was. Hey. He was

1:06:31Chad Johnson:so unique because he was so fast, quick, and explosive. I'm talking about poke that thing on you, but he had a lot of finesse in his game too, which made him hard to guard. But when he developed that jump shot, he developed that 15-footer and was shooting that three, if he was making that, it was a wrap. It wasn't nothing you can do. That's why he still to this day is probably what, the youngest MVP, huh? Yeah. That boy was A. D. Rose wasn't that nice, man.

1:07:08Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, I so love y 'all. It's my birthday today. I turned to big 4-0. I'm nervous. Also, ISO, your career ended in Atlanta. How do you think if your career ends in ATL, how do you think it ends? Love y 'all.

1:07:23Chad Johnson:I'm not sure, man. We pretty much got better every year that I was here. But like I say, when Danny Ferry took over, I was the first guy he traded up out of here. It wasn't no if, and, or bust about it. We ain't had no conversation or nothing. What was it? What did he play with, Joe? I don't know. He got the job, Unc, and I think he just wanted to revamp the team. You know what I mean? I still had some value left in me. So he probably was thinking, yeah, we trade Joe. They traded me and got about five or six players. And none of them were any good. Nah, hell no. They are always out to leave within probably two years.

1:08:10Shannon Sharpe:Damn. He should have followed them out too. He still would have been there had he not said what he said about Luau all day.

1:08:18Chad Johnson:There you go. Hey, hey, another dookie. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out why. Hey, what he said about Luau? No, I'm talking about. Luau played for the Lakers and played for the Bulls? Yeah. Yeah, I remember. I remember. He said something. He got some African in him so you don't know

1:08:37Shannon Sharpe:if he for real or not. He might be selling you something out the back, some swap meet stuff. Oh, he said that as a joke? Nah. It didn't go over too well, huh? He called me a dog.

1:08:49Chad Johnson:Yeah, nah. Yeah.

1:08:55Chad Johnson:Yeah. Hey, you know, it's unfortunate because Atlanta, a great city, bro. And they dying and starving for some great basketball around here, as you can see throughout this postseason. And they deserving of a championship. So I hope we can deliver that pretty soon.

1:09:15Shannon Sharpe:And happy birthday, bro. I appreciate it. Big 4-0, bro. You in your 40s now. Don't fret. Hey, 40 is the new 28. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I like that. I like that.

1:09:28Chad Johnson:You got to be putting in some work. Talking about the new 28.

1:09:31Shannon Sharpe:Boy, I remember that 40.

1:09:38Shannon Sharpe:G, isn't it funny how time just slips on away. Yep.

1:09:47Chad Johnson:Goes fast. Bullshape, bullshape. You hell what you want. I was one.

1:10:07not long well you know I do a like the most people say I do what I can when I can Joe yeah yeah you know I am looking to promise do it today and promise I do more tomorrow that's all I got for you that's all I got for you what's good night camp

1:10:29Shannon Sharpe:love watching the show y 'all keep doing your thing question for ISO So before you found your calling playing ball was banging in Little Rock back in the day. Was you banging in Little Rock back in the day?

1:10:43Chad Johnson:No, I wasn't banging, but like a lot of us, I grew up with them dudes, bro. I grew up with them, went to school with them. It was just a part of it. You know what I mean? You know, when you a hooper, you some sort of an athlete, you know, you don't really – You don't really get touched like that by, you know, once you stay consistent in what it is you do. But, yeah, I mean, I rode the bus with them. They in the neighborhood. That was just a part of life, bro. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay, Joe. Hey, hey, hey. Hey, Ocho. What's up? See, back then, you had them Jordans and them starter jackets. You might well leave that stuff hanging up in the closet.

1:11:25Chad Johnson:They were killing for that. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Hey, hey, Joe. Hey, Ryan, your area, bro, what y 'all wear, red or blue? Well, I'm from Ria. Oh, blood. Okay, on gang, twin. Okay, okay. All right, now. Hey, that's on the set, homie. On there, homie. All right, all right. Hey, Joe, hey, get that thing up one time, Joe. Super Bowl. Oh, come on, man. Come on, let's keep going. Come on, what's wrong with this? Hey, Joe, get up one time for the set, Joe. Nah, come on, man. Come on, old Joe, what's wrong with you? One time. Nah, what's wrong with you, man? Come on, hey, come on, Joe. Just get up one time for the set.

1:12:00Come on, Joe. All day homies. Come on.

1:12:04Shannon Sharpe:That credit story was funny, but so real had me crying like Ocho. Who would y 'all say had the purest baseball swing ever? Love the show. Griffey. Griffey.

1:12:19Chad Johnson:I got a nice swing too now. There he go. Ocho, there he go.

1:12:25Shannon Sharpe:You been hanging around Ocho too long, man.

1:12:29Chad Johnson:Nah, I'm keeping it real, man. I'm real live natural. I'm a natural, bro, for real. I just chose basketball. Don't y 'all get it twisted, though.

1:12:39Shannon Sharpe:The Knicks made the finals before the Cowboys. Hello. All right, now.

1:12:46Chad Johnson:All right. Y 'all gotta relax. Hey, Joe cool. Hey, Joe cool now, man. I ain't know that. I ain't know Joe with Damu, man. Are you cool with me, Joe? I don't I don't want to fight you no more, homie. We ain't got no choice, man. You just disrespected me. You done played by my money. So he got to put him up, Joe? Yeah, yeah, you got to put him up. See, where I'm from, we don't play like that, Ojo. You play with somebody's money, man. You got to pay for that. OK. I mean, all right. Well, forget it. Listen, I was trying to spare you. But go ahead. We'll get it on. I don't need no damn spare. All right.

1:13:24Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. I wish the NFL would stop with these international games. I understand why they're doing it, but they'll never be big compared to soccer. They don't want to be that big. Think about it. All they try to do, hey, you think the Popeye's chicken sandwich is going to ever be bigger than Chick-fil-A chicken sandwich? We just try to take 10%, 15 % out of that.

1:13:49Chad Johnson:Right, right, right. See, you get caught up and say, I've tried to be as big as. Think about when you're not getting anything and all of a sudden you get 10, 15, 20 % of it.

1:14:10Shannon Sharpe:What's up, my big three family. I watch faithfully every day or watch other episodes when you guys not. For example, me and my wife just got back from yoga, came home and did a little some yoga too. Love y 'all, man. See y 'all tomorrow. See? See, see what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. I know you tired, so go take your ass on the bed. Who's that? Well, me and my baby, we finna paint the town red. I mean, my bad.

1:14:40Chad Johnson:That boy lying like, I'm gonna be asleep like hell. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out.

1:14:49Shannon Sharpe:Man, I call that joke, he said, man, man, you know I'm in this bed. I just be playing with you, man. I'm in the bed. Yeah, I figure. Matter of fact, I'm going to send y 'all a picture with me out. Nah. Hey, we're going to see what kind of potential they got in the club cheat over there. Oh, they got – All right. It's in Ralea, you know. It ain't like Area 29, but we're going to see what it's hitting for. Probably nothing. Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y 'all know who I am, and that is my partner and co-host. That's Liberty City's own bingo ring of fame honorary, a former pro bowler and an all pro that is chad ochocinco johnson and the third member of the big three the seven-time nba all-star from the atlanta hawks little rock arkansas native that is iso joe johnson hey i ain't even noticing that i just i should have known i just i just should have known but you know my boy was so whooping when i seen the red do rag i see you Joe?

1:15:45Huh? Man, what's wrong

1:15:46Chad Johnson:with this man? Hey, Joe. Hey, what's wrong with this man? Hey, Joe. Get up for the set one time. Please make sure you hit the subscribe button.

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1:16:31Shannon Sharpe:So thank you guys for your hard work. It does not go unnoticed. Chat, give it up for the crew. Stevie, Nikki, Bailey, Jacob, Christian, Mike, Javion. Thank you guys again. Chat, give them a round of applause. Hey, I'm Unk. He's Ocho. He's Iso. We're back tomorrow after game six. Let's see if the Spurs can go back to OKC before game seven. Peace.

1:16:57Chad Johnson:Peace out.

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