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19:51Shannon Sharpe:Yes. Like when I watch the game, that's one of the major things I'm looking at is body language, how you interact with your teammates, things of that sort, because that plays a huge dividends on wins. Yeah. and I think the thing is is that I think deep down in his side that's why he waited to the very last minute to sign this contract because he knows he's like you know what I'm going to be back in the same situation and if I'm going to be in the same situation y 'all going to give me a little bit more money because all I'm going to do is be mad and to keep me from you know acting a donkey give me a couple of seven eight more million dollars and shorten that contract from three years to two years yeah and I also think I also think they tried to trade him this summer too.

20:35Like I said, I'm not sure his value was that high.

20:39Shannon Sharpe:So the market wasn't where it needed to be. Right. I don't think the market was where it needed to be, so they felt signing him would be the best thing, just bringing him back. And then, you know, when you get to this bridge here, you know, we'll cross when we get to it. So now they're at the point. They got to make a decision. You're right. They got to make a decision. And he won't that decision like yesterday. today yeah absolutely that decision in the summer he's like i don't know where i'm going but anywhere be better than here they this man been getting dmp's i'm talking about when they've been having guys out when they needed him joe if you think about it look at what he did he played really well in the postseason yeah yeah really well and i'm like oh he's showing him what he can do Oh, he's extremely athletic.

21:30Shannon Sharpe:I mean, he'll knock down an occasional three, but his thing is based on athleticism getting to the rim. Yeah. I think him and Kurt just got a disdain somewhere. I don't know where it happened or if it's Kaminga's play. Because, you know, he ain't really like no playmaker neither. You know, like you said, he's a downhill bandit. Obviously, defensively, he can wreak havoc. He can guard probably one through five. He can rebound. I think he'll be a pretty good defensive player, but offensively, he just hadn't fit that system. Based on what they want to do. Now, he might go to another situation, Joe, where it's not as much ball movement as it is in Golden State, and it's a little bit more, you know, ISO, and he's able to get the ball in his hand and get downhill.

22:21Shannon Sharpe:He might look like a superstar. I don't know how much they're going to win. Right, kind of like Porter Jr. for the Nets, for the Brooklyn Nets. He said, man, I can average 25, 26 points a game, and he's over there doing it. They're on a bad team. Now, they getting their butt kicked every night, but he over there putting them numbers up. Yeah, which will parlay into another big contract. There you go. There you go. But they might end up getting off Porter over there. Who? The Nets. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He got so much value right now. He already won a championship. You know he can play with other great players.

23:03Yeah. I think he wanted this situation kind of for himself. I agree because he knows he was going to be the fourth option.

23:12Shannon Sharpe:There you go. Jokic, Murray, Gordon, him. Yeah, he tired of playing the background. Yeah. Darren Waller went on Johnny Manziel's Glory Days podcast and told a story about how he and Mike McDaniels was talking one-on-one during the end of their season meeting when owner Steven Ross walked in. McDaniel had literally just told Waller that he wants him back in 2026. Ross joined in the conversation for a bit. Then the conversation got quiet, and Waller got the sense that he should leave the room. He checked his phone 20 minutes later, and Mike McDaniel was fired. I was at the scene of the crime. The NFL is a wild business, Joe.

23:54Shannon Sharpe:That's how I go. It's cut though like that. I didn't look.

24:03Shannon Sharpe:Dan Reeves and when coach Reeves and John was having their issues, John, Dan was like Tom coach Landry, run the football. We're not going to put the ball in harm's way. We're going to try to play great defense. and then Roger Stallback was there, Roger would win it. Yeah. Roger the Dodger. And that's why John Elway had so many, that's why John had so many comebacks. Because we wouldn't do anything for four quarters, for three and a half quarters, and the game would still be close, and John would win it in the end. It is. It's really tough. But I've never heard a situation like this. normally, hey, the owner calls you to his office.

24:48Shannon Sharpe:Right. Like the owner walked in to the coach's office when he's doing end-of-season interviews, exit interviews. He walked in. Yes. That's really wild. Normally, they call you to their meeting and call you to their office or the general manager, you know, they had a conversation. We're going in a different direction. but I've never heard of a situation like this so they find I had a conversation I think we're talking about Steve where he called John Harbaugh on the phone he said I thought it would be a you know an anatomy move like the man had just left and said turn around and meet me back at you know at the office in an hour it was just like you know hey you're going to do what you're going to do just let me and you know it was tough I mean telling somebody he's fired is not easy I mean because he's had success he's the winning his coach the organization is only 30 years of age but he's the winning his coach in their young tenure you got look you got Lamar so it's a very appealing job you got Lamar you got a quarterback you got a two-time MVP quarterback Is this contract up?

26:11Is he ready?

26:12Shannon Sharpe:Is he feeling sound? No, no, no, no. This contract's not up, but they got to do something. He's got like a$75,$76 million cap here. And Steve Bishotti has made it abundantly clear he wants Lamar. If Lamar wants that. If not, he say, hey, we'll play it out and move on. But he wants it because he knows. Steve, look. Steve is very mad at the fact. He laid it on the table. He said, look, I want to do this thing for another 10 years. I'm 65. I said, I'm looking at it from 75. Now, if we had a couple of bad seasons when I'm at that age, I'm probably going to sell the team. If we had a couple of good seasons, I'm probably going to keep holding on.

26:48Shannon Sharpe:But anyway, he said, I'm looking to move on. He said, I'm not going to get – this thing is not going to my family. He said, it caused too much problems. Yeah. I see him turn families against each other, and that's not going to happen. I believe that abundantly clear. So, who do you think he's going to bring in?

27:07What's a good candidate?

27:08Shannon Sharpe:I mentioned the name Clint Kubiak. Clint Kubiak is the offensive coordinator for the Seattle Seahawks. I played with Clint's dad. I remember Clint when he was a kid, running and shagging balls and being the ball boy on the field for us. He couldn't have been no more than like six or seven. Yeah. Maybe eight.

27:35Shannon Sharpe:his dad was my quarterback with the backup to John and then he was my offensive coordinator so I've been knowing them and he's really good you see the the imagination that he has with Seattle's offense you saw what Jackson JSN did and Jigba they run the football that West Coast system you gotta run it then they play action pass and he has a quarterback his quarterback in Baltimore is better than the quarterback that he has in Seattle. Yeah. So I can just imagine with his imagination and that quarterback and that running back to be able to run the football like they can run it and play action off of that.

28:14Yeah. What, what, what, uh, Dick Henry got another year over there? Got two years.

28:21Shannon Sharpe:Two years? Mm-hmm. And he's 52nd. He was second last year in rushing over 19, uh, two years ago with over 1 ,900 yards. He was second in the league in rushing this year with like 50, almost 1 ,600 yards, he still got tread on the tire. He still got tread on the tire. Oh, yeah. And so I'm – they got to – but they got – hey, they got to get – the number one thing they got to get, whoever – whatever guard is available in free agency, the Baltimore got to sign it. They got to get that left – that right guard up out of there. He killing Lamar. He killing Lamar and the running game.

29:03Shannon Sharpe:And they need some defense, Joe. Yeah, they do. They can put some points over. Boy, they can't stop nothing. They can't stop nobody. They can't stop nobody. They can't close games out. It's definitely a Tyson job, though. Yeah, yeah. You know, what happened with Lamar and Henry back there, I'm surprised, you know, ain't no coaches jumped on that situation already. Well, I think maybe some of the coaches that they're interested in are still in the playoffs, so you can't get anybody right now. you had a window, the Broncos and the Seahawks, so you could interview coaches in that window via Zoom, obviously.

29:39Shannon Sharpe:But if your team was in the playoff, you can't talk until after your season's over. So now there'll be another break in between the NFC, AFC, between the championship games and the Super Bowl. So there's a dead weekend there in which you can interview via Zoom for a job. But, yeah, I'm – you got to get the right coach in this situation because

30:08Shannon Sharpe:you got too much at stake. You got too much riding on it. You got Lamar Wright smack dab in his prime window. You got Derrick Henry that has a couple more years left. You got to get this thing right. Yeah. Get this thing right. Because you look, Drake May. Yeah. You got Josh Allen. You got C.J. Stroud. You got Bo Nix. You got Trevor Lawrence. So it's not getting any easier. No, sir. It's not. But they got some talent, boy. They got some talent over there. They got some offensive talent. I don't know how much defensive talent they got. Yeah, they ain't got no – they need some help defensively. Yeah, I like Zay Flowers.

30:49Shannon Sharpe:I like Henry, obviously. I like Lamar. I like Lamar. I'm surprised that what they did with Andrews, because basically they're saying bye to likely. Oh, are they? Yeah. Yeah. Man. Yeah. I mean, you gave Andrews, what, three years,$40 million? Isn't that what he signed for? Yeah, you're not bringing him back, because somebody's going to pay him big money. Yeah. Yeah. I thought they would let Andrews go and then keep likely.

31:32Shannon Sharpe:Three years, 40, yeah. So I was surprised by that move, but they need defense. They need pass rushers. They need pass rushers. They need them bad, too. Really bad. Yeah, they gave – what they was in defensive – Near the bottom. Defensive rating, they was near the bottom this year? Mm-hmm. the two cornerbacks gave up the most yardage. Them boys were getting smoked out there, boy. But when you can't rush the pass, I mean, what are your options? You can't hold up all day, and they couldn't rush the quarterback. They couldn't get the quarterback off his mark. So the quarterback is just back there, pat the ball, pat the ball, pat the ball.

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34:19Shannon Sharpe:The Bears-Ram playoff game is expected to be one of the coldest games in NFL history. Joe, look at this video of blizzard conditions happening right now coming off Lake Michigan. 60-mile-an-hour winds, heavy snows are leading to nearly no visibility. Man, can't nobody play no football in there. If it's like that, they're going to be out there. They're going to be playing in this? Hell yeah. Man, come on, man. The wind chills are expected to relays between 0 and minus 10 degrees throughout the day on Sunday. Wind gusts up to 20 miles an hour. The Rams haven't played in a game below 50 all season.

34:59Shannon Sharpe:According to NFL stats, Matthew Stafford, in bad weather games with the Rams, cold, rain, or snow, 1-8, 54.6 completion percentage, 14 touchdowns, 11 interceptions. Oh, John, excuse me. Look at this. We're going to turn the sound. Listen to the sound, Joe. All right.

35:27I'm cold. I'm cold right here.

35:32Hey, ain't no way they finna play in that. Hey, hold on, hold on. You think the stand's going to be filled up too? Absolutely. Pat.

35:44Shannon Sharpe:Oh, no. Because fans get a kick out of it and say, I was at that game. When you played the Ice Bowl, when it was 27, 30, you go back and look at Cincinnati, San Diego. I think that was 1981. Windchill was like 59. Go back and look at the Chargers against Cincinnati. I think the windchill was like 40, 50 degrees below zero. What was the windchill? Hey, if they playing in anything close to this, what I'm looking at, I got the bear. I'm taking the Bears this weekend.

36:24Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I remember. Joe, 1981, the Chargers played Cincinnati. Wind chill, minus 59. That man said 1981. I remember the game. That's what I told the Chargers. Because the Chargers had just beat the Dolphins. Kellen Winslow had a historic game. unbelievable, end up blocking a field goal. They won. They had to carry him off the field. And for his Herculean effort, go to Cincinnati. 59 below. They got thumped. I think they lost 27-0. 59. What was the final score? Below. 27-7. Okay. Oh, so that's why you don't remember. You were just being born. I was born in 81. I don't know what's going on. Oh, you played in weather like that before?

37:15Shannon Sharpe:I remember that game. I'm saying you done played in something like that? I think one of the coldest games I played, we played in Green Bay in 96. It was about 13 degrees, minus 13. And we played the Chiefs in the divisional round in 90. It was in 98, so it was probably January of 98. What was the temperature in 96? It was December of 96. Hey, what is like getting hit in that type of temperature in that weather? What that ground feel like? Man, that thing look like on cement. Joe, I ain't going to lie, Joe. I'm glad Mike didn't see me. I had construction gloves on. I wasn't. Oh, but I caught a pass.

38:00Shannon Sharpe:I caught the one pass they threw me.

38:05Shannon Sharpe:Hey, boy, I couldn't even imagine, huh? Minus 17 Minus 17 in Green Bay, right? Yeah What was the Kansas City one? Hey, how the Bears ain't got no dome over there, man? You take away the advantage Man, man, come on, man We're going to get to see Minnesota used to play outside Before they got the dome And boy, it's cold in Minnesota, bro Yeah The Chiefs was January of It was January of 98 No, it was January of 99 January of 99. Man, under these conditions here, man, I don't know how you can get out there and play, man. Not in that type of weather we just seen. Hey, Joe, you got to go out there. We had no sleep.

38:51Shannon Sharpe:Hey, I had to show them guns. I had that vest on the outside of the face. You don't say? Hey, listen, so why dudes be coming out there with their shirts off and all that warming up before the game when it's like that? I don't know what them fools thinking. I ain't going out there until I absolutely have to. I'm not going out there. I ain't trying. Hey, I'm competing against my opponent and his weapon. So I am not going out there until I absolutely have to. It's easier to play in it than practice in it. It's when it's practice, when you don't have those heated benches and you don't have the adrenaline going.

39:29Shannon Sharpe:Right, right, right. Oh, my gosh. I can't even imagine. Boy, listen, boy. You say hi. Look at this. What's up big fella? Tell him your name. He said my name Teddy Bear.

39:46He, hey look he had the daddy on.

39:51Shannon Sharpe:Boy is he? Man soon as I came through the door man. Man Titus done done ripped my Montclair jacket. Oh man. I said boy. But yeah, them jokers here. Once I come home, they ain't got nothing to do with auntie no more.

40:13Shannon Sharpe:He said, I got my pajamas on. He said, Daddy, this play is my bedtime. But, oh, yeah, Joe, that's the whole thing. That's the thing why if you're a cold-weather team, you want to get home field. I want the Rams. You play in that dome. Yeah, yeah. You played in Carolina. It was a little cold, but you don't know cold yet. Right. Not that Chicago cold. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm talking about, I'm talking about, I want it to be cold, the sun come up with an overcoat on. That's not cold of this, Joe. That's what I'm saying, that's not cold of this. If they gonna be playing in that, that's damn sure what it's gonna be.

40:49Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, you see statues got overcoats. And hat and scullies on. No, man, no, man. That's gonna be a tough one now, especially for the Rams. Today's Eagles general manager, how i roseman was asked whether he's open to trading aj brown to which roseman responded it's hard to find great players in the nfl and aj is a great player that's what we're going out looking for when we go out in free agency and the draft is trying to find great players who love football and he's that so that would be my answer uh the question is they look they understand it's hard to replace because I know what he is. He's a proven commodity.

41:35Shannon Sharpe:He's a pro bowl, all pro Super Bowl winning player when he wants to be that. And this year, for whatever reason, look, it's just hard. I don't know. Honestly, I don't know what motivates. I don't know what happened because he's like, when he won the Super Bowl, he's like it wasn't fulfilling. Well, if you're making money you've been an all-pro, you've gone to Pro Bowl, you win the Super Bowl, what is left? If I got a$30-plus million contract, I'm a Pro Bowl player, I'm an all-pro player, and I'm a Super Bowl. And the Super Bowl isn't fulfilling, but I don't really know what else there is. If you play a sport, Joe, you're an all-NBA, all-star.

42:25you win a champ and you like and you making 40 million dollars a year and you win the championship and they come to you and say joe how you feel like i'm not it's not as fulfilling as i thought nah nah i ain't gonna say that but i think i ain't gonna say that i ain't gonna say that but i know for some guys man when they feel like they ain't balling or doing their thing out there man they they want they want their stats over championship now they may not come out and say it but that's what they want it's like man we want a championship but they ain't have but 20 yards two catches hey go look at my Super Bowl numbers

43:06Shannon Sharpe:they ain't nothing but I got three rings and I'm gonna pass down to each of my kids hey that wasn't the game plan didn't call for Shannon Sharp to go haywire right I'm okay with that because at the end of the day I was making good money I've been a Pro Bowl player. I was an All-Pro. After you become an All-Pro, after you become a Pro Bowl player, the only thing left is to win a championship is to solidify. Right. To make sure people know that all those catches and yards and everything that you was doing, well, yeah, you did that, but how many games did you win? Did your stats go to winning? Look at my numbers.

43:42Shannon Sharpe:When I called for 100 yards or called a touchdown, we won. Yeah. That's all I cared about. I want to win. All that other stuff, that's why I didn't get up. look, and I look back at it, I say, man, I could have easily gone to John and said, hey, bro, hey, I need five yards. But I ain't never asked him to throw me the ball. Right. So they know what I can do. I used to get upset, Joe. You know, they done bulljotted around all game long. Now here come the fourth quarter, we down 14. You going to ask me what I like. Yeah, now they looking for you. I like for this game to be over, so I get my ass on that bus and get home.

44:15Shannon Sharpe:You should have asked me this in the first quarter. But y 'all would have spread it around. Yeah, yeah. Let everybody touch it, okay? Yeah. Keep doing what you doing. Yeah, hey look, like I said, you know some cats want a ball. Hey look, I remember it too, you know, coming down, it's the last five to seven minutes of a game. Now all of a sudden everybody looking for you. They looking for Joe to get us up out this rut. Yeah, what we been doing the whole game. Y 'all could've been giving me the ball. Yeah, so I understand, man, I understand. Hey, we gonna run this over here, run this pit. Hey, we're going to run one-four, Joe.

44:51Shannon Sharpe:You at the top? Yeah. Hey, look, we ain't ran all damn games. Why y 'all want to run now? Yeah. Yeah. I know exactly what you said. Yeah, we should have been ran this in the first, second quarter, man. What you looking for? I think your brother on the floor is sweet. No, he ain't sweet, but he down here. Thanos. Yeah.

45:17Shannon Sharpe:No, this is not Thanos in my lap. This is Teddy Bear in my lap. The Athletic released a story today on Mike Tomlin's final team meeting with the Steelers players and the surreal scene surrounding it. Mike Tomlin told his team, I think it's best for the organization for me to step down. TJ Watt had tears welling in his eyes and kept repeating, no, no, no, as Tomlin told the team. Joy Porter Jr. was reportedly hyperventilating. Aaron Rodgers was sobbing and repeatedly saying, I'm sorry. The Steelers player gave Tomlin a standing ovation. That's what's up, man. That's when you know your guys respect you, bro.

45:58Shannon Sharpe:Yep. They respect the heck out there, man, man, and what he's done for that organization. Yes. Yeah, and as a player, it definitely hurts you because, you know, you feel like you was a part of him getting out of there. Yeah, that's why those guys so hurt. They feel like, man, if we would have played at our highest peak, we could have avoided this situation. So, yeah, I can see why guys really taking it hard. I've done that. I remember as I got older, I remember seeing Coach Reeves because the gym I used to go to, the church that he attended was right across the street. And I remember, I remember, like I was saying, it didn't close it down.

46:43Shannon Sharpe:But anyway, and I saw him, and I remember going up to him and saying, Coach, I'm sorry. He said, Shannon, he's the only one that never called me by my last name or called me 84. He'll always call me Shannon. He'll say, Shannon, what do you say? I said, Coach, I said, had I been the player that I became, maybe I could have saved the job. Right. And he just told me, he said, that's nice of you to say, but you ain't got nothing to apologize for. He said, I'm proud that we drafted you. I'm proud of the player that you became. Same thing with Wade Phillips. I was that player. I had became that player, but I did all I could.

47:21Shannon Sharpe:I had 2 ,000-yard receiving, had like 180 catches. Yeah. It just wasn't meant to be. Like 178 catches, 168 catches. It just wasn't meant to be, Joe. And then we hit Mike. But I hate – because that happened on my watch. Yeah. What could I have done differently? And I know for certain, I'm not sure, besides getting injured and having to take them at 100%, I do believe, had I became the player that I later became that ended up going into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, I do believe I could have saved Dan's career. Yeah. I believe I could have saved him in Denver. Now, maybe at a later date and time, Mr.

48:00Shannon Sharpe:B, maybe Mr. B just wanted to go in a completely different direction. Right. Maybe so, because Coach Reeves had been to three Super Bowls, lost the AFC championship game so it wasn't like he was losing but he just wanted to go in a different direction but it's tough if you care some people are like players get cut all the time I don't look at it like that hey look my first year in Brooklyn when I got traded to Brooklyn from Atlanta I played But Avery Johnson was our head coach. Great dude. Great dude. Yeah. Accountability. Like, he going to be on you. Like, he going to ride you hard. You know, tell you the do's and don'ts.

48:51But, man, he was a hell of a coach, bro. I loved him as a coach. And for us to get off to such a slow start my first year in Brooklyn, I think it was kind of why he got fired. Because it happened on the off day for us. I'm at home. I'm watching ESPN. Ain't nobody called and been like, oh, we're going to get rid of Avery Johnson today. I'm going to watch it on ESPN like everybody else. It come across breaking news. I'm like, damn. So, yeah, I understand. As a player, bro, you take heart to that because I'm like, yeah. Such a dope coach, bro.

49:25Shannon Sharpe:Devontae Adams says he told his teammates, including Pook and Nakua, that they should never leave L.A. because it ain't greener than this. referencing his experience leaving the Packers and being with the Raiders and the Jets. Yep. That's absolutely true. Yeah. And, you know, getting a chance to play with another great quarterback in Matthew Stafford, throwing that peel around the way he do. Yeah. I think the thing, look, I think the thing with Tay is that he wanted to get something done. He wanted to get something done before he got to the – before – and then when the season came and they didn't do anything.

50:04Shannon Sharpe:And then he goes out and has a monster season. Now all of a sudden, he's like, nah, y 'all done risked, made me put this on the line. Y 'all knew what I could do. Yeah. And y 'all make me go through this. And I think a part of his pride was hurt because they didn't do it. Now, he goes to the Raiders, his college teammates there. Yeah. So it's not like he doesn't know what he's getting into. Yeah. But after one year, they let his teammate go. Yeah. Now he's stuck. And then he goes to the Jets. And that dysfunctional organization, and even though he got Aaron Rodgers. Wasn't the best. Nope. Nope.

50:46And he got over there to the Rams. I'm talking about done a number.

50:50Shannon Sharpe:You got an offensive mind. You got a quarterback. You in a controlled environment. Because think about who you play. You got the Cardinals. They play inside. Yeah. So that's nine of your games right there that you're going to be in 72 degrees.

51:07Shannon Sharpe:Now you must rather get somebody in the AFC and get a couple more games. That's, hey, that's 10. Well, some years you have nine games because some years you have, you know, nine home games, eight road games. Yeah. I mean, yeah. So he's right. He's right. But everybody's always thinking that, you know, the grass is greener and if you got a historic quarterback, you better stay your ass with it. Now, you might go bet some money now, but them numbers. They ain't going to be the same. Yeah, them numbers start slipping. Everybody's going to say, see, you are a product of that system. Yeah.

51:47You got somebody throwing you that pill, boy. Don't take it for granted. Absolutely not.

51:52Shannon Sharpe:Josh Allen was playing long snapper at the team's practice the day before their playoff game. Check this video out, Joe. Long snapper.

52:15Come on, what do you got going on?

52:16Shannon Sharpe:I guess he's the emergency long snapper.

52:26Nope.

52:27Shannon Sharpe:I ain't want to do nothing. They're like, hey, we got this reverse. Let Foots run it. You ain't want no problem. I don't want no. Throw me the ball. Don't hand it to me. I'm done with that. I got up my running back days when I was in high school. Once I was a junior, going into my senior year, I left the running back position. I got tired of people talking about my bad sharp. Man, who made me? Man sharp, that's me. That's me. Nah, bro. You ain't talking about like missing. Yeah, they missed the block. Man, my bad sharp. My bad. Man, I got my helmet twisted, Joe. You talking about my bad. I'm good.

53:03Shannon Sharpe:Nah, don't hand me no ball. Throw it to me down the field. Oh, shit. And see the thing is, you can't hit the long. You used to punish the long snapper. You can't hit him now, so. Yeah, they got a little soft. They got a little soft. He like, come on, man. What we got going? I don't know. Man. Joe, another sad story. Delonte West was arrested for allegedly robbing someone of$23 per TMZ. What we're being told is that he's taken into custody without further incident and posted a$1 ,000 bond. When they say the total amount taken from the victim was around$23. Damn. Joe, do you know him? Have you ever had any contact with him?

53:54No, I just played against him. But obviously, I'm paying attention and I see what's going on. You know, it hurts to see him in those situations, man. You know what I mean?

54:06Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Because I know people have reached out and tried to help him. Yes. Obviously, he probably just – he don't want it, you know, due to whatever issues he's dealing with. Yeah. You know, sometimes, man, you can do whatever you can to try and help somebody, but you got to want it. I had Mark Cuban on my podcast, and he said, Shannon, we did everything we could, and we thought we had him there. We thought we thought, and he just left. And he's like, you know, and I reached out personally and did things. He's like, I don't really know what else to do. Right. Unless that individual really wants to help.

54:46Shannon Sharpe:And they say you let him hit rock bottom. I mean, I don't think you can go any lower than what he's already gone. Nah. I understand addiction is one day. I mean, because an addiction, okay, you sobriety. I hear people say, I've been sober. Chris Carter tells the story all the time. He knows the exact days, how many days he's been sober. Yeah. But every day, every day, you got to go by a bar or a package store when you go into the store, and you got to say no. Yeah. And that's hard. If you got a gambling addiction, you got to go. if you go to the casino and you gotta say depart you just gotta say no whatever the case may be you just gotta every single day for the rest of your life and that's hard bro it is when you're recovering whatever you're recovering from like it's hard like you know my pops passed away in July he was a you know recovering drug and alcoholic so I know I know what it looked like you know what I mean and you can't I don't care what you do for that person bro like it's they have to want it they have to want to get better more than you want it yeah they gotta want it more for themselves than you want it for them yeah is what i told my kids i said i can't want something for you more than you want it for yourself absolutely and that's and that's you know hey my dad my dad had an alcohol had an alcohol problem and it ended up costing him you know he had uh both of his cheekbones removed and he just he was in back he was embarrassed uh about coming around and then He's like, I don't want my kids to see me like this.

56:21Shannon Sharpe:And at that point in time, I just wanted to see him because I'd only seen him once in my life to know who I was actually looking at. Like, this man is my father. My grandmother came and got me from Chicago and brought me and my brother back on the train. I was three months old. My dad showed back up and took me back to Chicago when I was seven months old. And then we got sent, me, my brother, my sister, we came back down I was two my sister was 10 my brother was five and so we had been at that point in time we had been so since 1970 I had lived with my grandmother and my grandfather and I remember I was coming we came home from church and he was uh he was in the drive he was in the driveway and I remember uh granny asking me do I know who it is and I'm like the man looked like me so he gotta be my dad.

57:18Shannon Sharpe:But I had never seen him before. Just a couple pictures of him. I remember getting out of the car and I got over there and hugged and he asked Papa, he said, Mr. Barney, can I take the boys? Overnight. He's like, you know they got school tomorrow. He's like, yes sir, I know. I'll make sure they get to school. So we went home. We got him. He got us, got some clothes. Changed clothes that we He was going to sleep bed closed to sleep in and school closed. And slept in the bed with him, and he got us up and told us. I'll never forget, he took me to school, dropped me off first, told me he loved me, said he'll see me again soon.

58:00This had to be 73, 74?

58:08Shannon Sharpe:I think I was in kindergarten. I was in kindergarten, the first grade. So it was 73, 74. and I love you and I'll see y 'all again soon next time I saw him 1981 he laid on the casket so

58:30Shannon Sharpe:but that was you know he had alcohol problems and just couldn't shake it and you know I mean I think he was more embarrassed that you know that he wasn't able to be what he thought he should be. Because, you know, my granny and papa had been married at that point in time. They got married in, what, 23? Papa died in 77. Grandma Charlie and granddaddy Williams had been married, already been married, like, you know, all those years. So his mom and dad married. My grandma, you know, mama, mom and dad married. and you can't measure your success by somebody else's success. And that was his first mistake.

59:21Shannon Sharpe:But he didn't know. He didn't know. And I don't hold that against my father. I do wish, like when I saw fathers come to the game and see their sons, I wish my dad could see me. My mom came. I made sure my son got an opportunity to see what I did. But, yeah, I wish that. Yeah, I understand. That wasn't in the cards. that wasn't in the cards for us. But I understand the situation, Joe. I understand when somebody has an addiction. Oh, yeah. Nothing you can do, bro. Nothing. And, you know, you think you can fix it. You think you can help. But you can't, man. I mean, my pops, he spent a lot of time in the penitentiary, and he got out, and I moved him here to Atlanta with me.

1:00:11I was 26 years old at the time, so I was six years into the NBA. That probably was the worst move. I'm going to be honest with you. Bringing him here to Atlanta?

1:00:23Shannon Sharpe:But, Joe, you thought you being a son, you in a position to help, you thought you were helping. Yeah. Yeah. You did what most sons would do in a situation that can help help. Yeah. Yeah. He had these people by his fingertip. He go to the game. He sit courtside, kick his shoes off. He's sitting over there with no shoes on. I talked to him after the game. I said, hey, man, you can't be sitting over there, bro, with no shoes on. He said, man, these shoes ain't made to be worn all day, man. You got to take these things out. My feet hurt. Yeah. Country as he want to be. Country as he want to be. He said, my son, my son, the star of the team.

1:01:04I ain't wearing no shoes. I'm home. That man sitting over there with no shoes on, man. It's time for our final segment of the evening.

1:01:12Shannon Sharpe:It's time for Q &A. Man.

1:01:25Shannon Sharpe:Pat Dubs. I watched the Elway Doc and thought I was tripping when I saw Rich Carlos kick a field goal barefooted in the cold in Cleveland. What's the story with him kicking barefooted? Rich was gone when I got there. There used to be a lot of Tony Franklin. was another barefooted kicker. He kicked – he's from the University of Texas, and he kicked for the Philadelphia Eagles barefooted. I know Ash is going to check that and see if I'm – Rich Carter, but they used to be barefooted kickers. I don't think they've ever been a barefooted punter, but, yeah, they were barefooted kickers. Why is that?

1:01:57Shannon Sharpe:They just felt better kicking the ball with a barefoot as opposed with a shoe on. Oh, no. Damn. Mike who? Lansford. For the Rams?

1:02:16Shannon Sharpe:I'm sorry. Man, why, Joe, why are you talking about it? You do? That's one of the perks of being old. I remember all these guys. I mean, like I said, some guys just feel more comfortable kicking barefoot. Not me. I don't remember no barefooted punters, but there are barefooted three. Dr. Frank L. Bellamy, tell me who won in bowling, and I don't want to hear, see what happened was. We keep it on the low. I'm so proud. We keep it on the low. We keep it on the low. We keep it on the hush, dog. We keep it on the hush. Y 'all see when it come out. But I'm telling you, we had us a ball. There was a time to be had.

1:02:59Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, it was nice. It was nice. It was nice. All I know is I ain't finished it last.

1:03:09Shannon Sharpe:Mikey Jones, how come the NFL doesn't have tight ends as versatile as Hernandez was on the Patriots? Tight ends that can play XYZ running back. Jonu Smith, they lined him up. He scored a touchdown, handed the ball off to him. They are. Yeah.

1:03:33Shannon Sharpe:He's a quarterback, wide receiver, tight end. What's the number seven? Taysom Hill. They are.

1:03:47Shannon Sharpe:Elpray98, it's my birthday. It'll be a pleasure spending it with you two. When is your birthday? Today? All right, man, appreciate that. Appreciate you tuning in to watch Joe and I handle the whole thing down with Ochoa on the plane. Yeah, happy birthday, bro. I'm slobbing on them people pillow. Oh, man. Almighty James, I remember when nightcap first started and Unk was calling Ocho T.O. Now he calling Joe Ocho.

1:04:21Shannon Sharpe:Kevin Boatnight, Shannon, you're the greatest tight end ever. Help us out. Kittle is out. Third downs go to go. Come on. Man, please. Man, if y 'all know how I feel from bowling, My knee's killing me. My glute. I was about to pull my glute, Joe. Was it? Yeah, man, that's why I couldn't. I said, man, look here. And you notice, you see how I started throwing the ball? Yeah, how you started hooping it down there. Yeah, man, hey, Joe, I was like, man, the last thing I needed to pull my glute, because I know ain't no way in hell Ash gonna edit that out. I'm gonna be on the floor. I said, oh, no. Hey, look, it's all them antics you were doing.

1:05:00Yeah, yeah, all them antics. Oh, you ain't seen that yet. You wait.

1:05:07Shannon Sharpe:You got three. No, I ain't got no downs. I ain't got nothing, bro. I can't help you. Deshaun Turner, when did the big three come into Charlotte? Look, we're going to put together probably about five cities that we're going to hit this summer, Ocho, Joe, and I. So Charlotte might be on that list, bro. Here's Jordan Scott. I'm going to check out The Rip. I'm gonna let y 'all know if it's good or not. That live stream was hilarious. What if Ocho would actually be a liability in that scenario? Absolutely. No question. 1 ,000%. No question. Listen, you already know it. Hey, look, I'm glad we kind of, just in case we get into a sticky situation like that, I know who not to call.

1:05:52Oh, what? Yeah, yeah.

1:05:55Shannon Sharpe:Look, if you tell Ocho, you might as well just call the evening news. Hey, let me tell y 'all what I did. Because you getting popped. That man got$20 million. He want to take it all. Just turning it. Oh, it's okay. We turning some in. We can get, hey, we going to be good some in. We can be, hey, get a picture. We cost a year. They probably give us a little piece of that. Yeah. Even if they don't, we don't want no piece. They say, nah, donate my to charity. I already got, I got some, but don't worry about that. Nah, hell nah. Hey, but it's a hell of a movie though, man. It is. It is. Hey, you're not going to see the ending.

1:06:42Shannon Sharpe:You don't see that coming. Ooh. Drew Wilder, best pod ever. Rogan, the side piece now. Iso, Ocho, and Unk got me hooked. Dallas to Pine Bluff, BJ, Virginia, Jujitsu, and football life. Woo, pig. Appreciate that, man. Thanks for the support. Appreciate that, bro. Thank you, man. We pride ourselves in being able to talk a lot of different sports. We know the big, the major sports is football, basketball, baseball, but we can talk anything. We talk baseball, football, track and field, golf, tour de France. Y 'all want to talk about the tour? We talk about the tour. Yeah. The Winter Olympics. Yeah.

1:07:24Shannon Sharpe:Hey, I used to watch the Winter Olympics. The Dutch used to be They call him Johan Oliplof I think he's from the Dutch Yeah he's Dutch I just like When they tuck that hand And then when they come out of that turn Hey you ever Ski to snowboard any of that? Hell no I lived in Utah for two years Me and my kids we used to go snowboarding Oh did you? man come on now i tried to roll the skate joe you what you can't you can you you you can't you can't skate i wasn't able to go enough that one to two times a year wasn't gonna cut it man i hit man i hit my ass and my elbow so hard no i don't got too old to fall now you should have caught me when i was 20.

1:08:22Shannon Sharpe:hey hey because Because out here in Atlanta, you're going to be free. Falling now with these hips, I am not going back under surgery to prepare no hips. I'm telling you. Mike, Mike, what's up, Uncle Iso? Since we keep calling you Ocho, is Rich trying to take over the Lakers? Man, that ain't going to happen. It didn't have no, sir. No. They ain't going to let that happen. That ain't going to happen. That concludes this episode of Nightcap. We want to thank our very special guest, Woody Marks, who put on an outstanding performance in the wild card round with 19 carries, 112 yards, and a touchdown.

1:08:56Shannon Sharpe:We want to thank him for joining us, the running back for the Houston Texans. Thank you, guys. Y 'all know who I am. I'm your favorite up. And filling in for my partner, Ochocinco, is the University of Arkansas alum, Little Rock native. Yes, sir. Atlanta Hawk, great, seven-time NBA All-Star. That's ISO Joe Johnson. Joe, thanks for filling in on such short notice. I appreciate it. No problem, no problem. please make sure you hit that subscribe button please make sure you hit the like button and do us a favor go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcasts from we would like to thank each and every one of you for your support and your continued support thanks to your eyes ears and your word of mouth Nightcap has become the sensation that it's become and because of you we shall continue to rise thank you again for your support and your continued support those looking to purchase a bottle of Shea by LaPortier and it's not in a state or city near you, head to laportiercognac.com.

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1:10:30Shannon Sharpe:That link is pinned in the chat. The show will be Thursday night, February the 5th at the Earps Theater in San Francisco. So Bay Area, come out and support Uncle Nocho and Nightcap. John Harbaugh is close. We believe that it's a done deal. Five years,$100 million, average of$20 million per year. Again, thank Woody Marks for coming on. The running back from the Houston, Texas had an outstanding game Monday night against the Pittsburgh Steelers. 19 carries, 112 yards, and a touchdown. Thank you, guys. I am Unk. He's ISO. We'll see you Saturday after the game. Grobar grows. Peace out.

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