Nightcap Hour 2: Thunder GO UP 3-0 on Suns + Browns Draft ANOTHER QB + Todd Monken DODGES Shedeur QUESTION

13:06Shannon Sharpe:He on that Bron when he played Boston, that series that he dragged as, he dragged the Cavaliers, that game seven, that game six, when he played Indiana, when he played Toronto. I mean, hey, he got it going like that. What you gonna do, man? We threw everything at you.

13:28Joe Johnson:I'm talking about everything.

13:29Shannon Sharpe:Sometimes, hey, we shoot all our bullets. We got 30 shots. We shoot them all. At some point in time, I throw the gun at him. Then at that point in time, Joe and Ocho, I just take off running.

13:38Joe Johnson:Yeah, I mean, even when you look at it, hell, between him and Mitchell, they seem like they took all the shots. They did. Check was in foul trouble a lot of the time. But I'm like, damn, I thought Phoenix had a hell of a chance to win. I mean, Green and Brooks played well.

13:56Shannon Sharpe:I'm like. Joe, they had a lead 24-15. and the next thing you know, it's 33-24.

14:05Shannon Sharpe:And it was never the same.

14:07Joe Johnson:True champion, man. Hey, them dudes done been through a lot. They done been through some real wars, man. And, hey, I enjoy watching OKC play, man. I ain't going to lie to y 'all. You know, the way guys step in. Even when, let's say, you got guys, bro, who go three, four games, don't even touch the floor.

14:26Shannon Sharpe:Yep.

14:27Joe Johnson:But soon coach throw their ass in there. He's like, all right, now. You know what I mean? That's impressive, bro. That's called being a real professional. Not a lot of guys can do that. But, hey, Joe, Booker hasn't been playing well now.

14:45Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, he hasn't. Ain't no way around it. Ain't no way around it. Because we give him credit, and a lot of guys have come, and a lot of guys have gone. He's been the remaining constant. We got to hold him to a standard. If he's your best player, he's a star. Because I don't think, you know, we use that word superstar a little bit too loosely. Too much? Yeah. A little bit too loosely. They're like six or seven of those guys. Yeah. He's a star. But, bro, what am I doing now?

15:16Joe Johnson:Hey, hey, hey, hey. I'm giving.

15:18Shannon Sharpe:He had 33 tonight, though, huh?

15:21Joe Johnson:Nah.

15:21Shannon Sharpe:He had no 33 what? He passed 39 minutes. He had 16 points. And it took him 16 shots.

15:26Joe Johnson:I'm looking at Dylan Crazy. But you know Waddle, okay, she got that dog on him over there. Luke Dort. Dort, yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, hey, hey.

15:40Shannon Sharpe:Joe, we can't use that. How many times did Jordan, Kobe, Bron, KD, Steph get the whole team best player?

15:48Joe Johnson:Hold on, you just said it ain't but a couple of them. You just said it ain't but a couple of them, bro.

15:53Shannon Sharpe:But they make it seem like, hold on, you make it seem like they put Alvin Robinson to Kobe Bryant, Maka Jordan. Lou Dort is a damn good defender, but damn.

16:02Joe Johnson:Hey, how tall is Lou Dort, huh?

16:05Shannon Sharpe:He about 6 '3 in the Joneses, 6 '2", 6 '3".

16:07Joe Johnson:He about 4 '6", 5'. Is he? Yeah, that boy built like a middle line back out there. I know he built now. He giving young bull hell out there trying to get Ronnie. Look, he went to Arizona State, so he probably feel like he at home. You know, I just feel like four yeah i i feel like uh he a hell of a defender bro he bust through them screens he make it tough on you he ain't gonna hey listen let me tell you as a good defender the the the best way to defend the cat is to not let him catch the ball why y 'all think brooks and and green got off tonight because hell we hey we don't give a damn about them getting out we gonna hold you we know you you you capable of scoring 40 50 points we can't give you that we can't get it to this little 16 points you got tonight boy you gonna have to work hard as hell to get that

16:56Shannon Sharpe:But even those, but think about it, Joe. Even when you don't have Dort, you come with Caruso. And then you come with Wallace. So it ain't like he getting no break. Right. So, hey, they like, oh, yeah, Lou, check it out. Here come Caruso. Here come Cason Wallace. So, but like you said, those 33 from Brooks and that 26 from Jalen Green can't beat that team.

17:21Joe Johnson:Nah. Nah. Nah. And they would have their second best player, OKCF, and they still come up in your house and do that. Hey, how long do you think he out, Joe? Oh, he out for a minute. Hell yeah, that's hamstring. That's hamstring.

17:36Shannon Sharpe:They're going to err on the side of caution. Because all things being equal, I'd rather have him for the NBA finals. Excuse me, the Western Conference finals if we meet the Spurs. As opposed to now. Or at least the NBA finals. Right. I can't run a risk of having him out. Because, look, I think all things being equal, I think Boston will probably come out of the East. Anything can happen. The Knicks can bounce back. But I just don't see a team right now, especially if Wimby doesn't come back. I don't see nobody beating OKC. I just don't. Man, when you think about it, it's going to be the healthiest team, bro.

18:14Joe Johnson:Who's going to be the healthiest team when it comes down to who makes it to the Eastern Conference Finals, Western Conference Finals? and then who ultimately makes it to the finals. Man, if you hobbling in the finals, bro, it's going to be tough, man. It's going to be tough, bro. It's going to be tough. Damn.

18:32Shannon Sharpe:But, no, he looked good. I mean, he was on one.

18:36Joe Johnson:Nah, he was on two or three. Shit, he wasn't playing tonight.

18:39Shannon Sharpe:I was like, damn, y 'all going to do nothing? And the man scored. He looking up and like, they got this dude on me like, he can stop me, man. Y 'all was playing in my face.

18:48Joe Johnson:Hey, hey, hey, and you know what it's like when, you know, a guy kind of knows your game because they play on the same national team together. You know, so you kind of comfortable because you got a familiarity to his game. Man, that shit don't mean nothing to Shay. He out there like, look, Dylan, I like you. I like how you – but, look, yeah, he looking over there at his teammates like, come on, are y 'all serious right now? Him?

19:12Shannon Sharpe:He probably said, you know what, if you wasn't my country, man, I would have dropped 50. I mean the 42 is one thing but a 50 piece in the playoffs that takes you to a whole new level so you better be glad I didn't hit you with the 50 but if you keep talking crazy I'll give you one of them I'll give you one of them in game 4 yeah

19:35Joe Johnson:what's up there's one thing about it when it comes to the great players regardless of the sport you play you can watch as much film as you want to you can study it You can know their game. You can play on the same team with them. Like you say, Dylan Brooks and goddamn SGA play together, and you can know his game. But when it come time to play for real, some people you just don't have an answer for no matter what. No. Hey, I tell you what. Phoenix better come out with a better game plan. If I'm Phoenix, I might even throw that double at SGA. Yeah, you do. He going to get up out of that anyway. Well, well, damn, Ocho.

20:14Joe Johnson:I'm going to do that versus just let him size me up the whole game and damn do what he want, you know, have me at his mercy. You know what I mean? It's like he too good for you to sit there and play him with one defender. You know what I mean? I mean, yeah, I know these other dudes around him can make shots, but our rotation's got to be on point, bro. You're going to have to show me. You feel me? Right. Yeah, we got to have these rotations on point, but we just can't let this dude out here just go 40, 50 points.

20:45Shannon Sharpe:Man, please. Do you believe there's another guy on their roster currently right now that could go get 40 points?

20:51Joe Johnson:For OKC?

20:52Shannon Sharpe:Yes.

20:53Joe Johnson:Nah. Wait, hold on. OKC.

20:55Shannon Sharpe:So I would take the ball out of his hand and make somebody else go get it.

20:59Joe Johnson:40 points at that efficient?

21:02Shannon Sharpe:I don't give a damn. It ain't got to be that efficient. I mean, it ain't about a handful of guys in the NBA currently can get that kind of number on that kind of efficiency. So, no, I'm just saying period.

21:13Joe Johnson:But, hey, they bench good, though. I mean, you know, you only had one guy in double figures off the bench, and that was Caruso, but them other guys pitching in six, seven, eight points, like those big points. You feel me? Like they got a lot of guys.

21:25Shannon Sharpe:They got 36 bench points.

21:27Joe Johnson:Yeah. Hey.

21:28Shannon Sharpe:Other team got 12.

21:29Joe Johnson:Yeah, when these dudes come in, boy, hey, they ain't gunshot now.

21:34Shannon Sharpe:No, no, no, no, no. They ain't finna let it rip, Joe. But the coach gives them the confidence. that they can shoot a shot and I'm not going to take you out, even if it's a bad shot.

21:44Joe Johnson:Because you know what? As long as your ass defending, I ain't tripping by the offense end. That's going to take care of itself. This defense end down here, that's when we got to sit in this chair, communicate, and make sure our defense fuels our offense so we can get out and get easy baskets. I think they've been the best team at that all year. Yeah. Support for the show comes from Public, the investing platform for those who take it seriously. On Public, you can build a multi-asset portfolio of stocks, bonds, options, crypto, and now generated assets, which allow you to turn any idea into an investable index with AI.

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25:36I agree.

25:39Shannon Sharpe:Now to football. The Cleveland Browns selected Arkansas quarterback Taylon Green in the sixth round, number 182. They became the first team in 15 years to take three signal callers in a two-draft span. Green joins the quarterback room currently holding Shadour Sanders, Deshaun Watson, and Dylan Gabriel. The 6 '5", 227-pound Green had a record-breaking performance at the Combine. He ran 436, the fastest for our quarterback since 2003. He also posted the best marks in the vertical jump, 43.5. The standing long jump, 11 '2". Green accounted for 7 ,247 yards in two seasons at Arkansas, the second most in SEC since 2024.

26:25Shannon Sharpe:I got a question. I got a question real quick. So if you, Deshaun Watson, Dylan Gabriel, Sanders,

26:33Joe Johnson:how do you feel about this pick?

26:41Shannon Sharpe:Look, they brought that guy. He a six-round pick. I guess they like the measurables because if you thought that much of him, you would have selected him earlier. Me, I'm there to compete. Every year, they bringing somebody in to take somebody's position. Yeah. Now, maybe it wasn't, maybe it wasn't, I wasn't on the chopping block. My position wasn't on the chopping block last year, Ocho. But I know at some point in time, guess what? They're going to bring somebody in to replace my ass, yo. Yeah, yeah.

27:08Joe Johnson:Yeah. Yeah.

27:12Shannon Sharpe:Hey. I'm saying teams don't carry no damn four quarterbacks, do they? No. The last time I can remember, we mentioned the Patriots did. That was the, yep. Tom Brady. That was the last time I can recall four active quarterbacks. You can't – nobody's caring for active quarterbacks now because you want that guy to be a swing offensive lineman, a wide receiver. Normally that guy is going to have to be able to play – he's going to have to be able to play special teams. It's just not enough position. I mean, the quarterback don't give you any value other than playing quarterback. He's not going to play special teams.

27:44Shannon Sharpe:He's not going to play defense. Right. So more times than not, the extra guys is going to have to do more than one thing. Hey, you're going to have to play outside, play the slot. you have to play special teams wide receiver can you play outside can you play the slot as a DB can you play outside can you play the slot offensive lineman can you play center and guard can you play guard tackle it's just too valuable I don't care I'm going to compete all I know is that

28:13Joe Johnson:I'm going to make this team yeah that's it I mean honestly I mean the test and the numbers they look good obviously they wow those that are scouts those that are GMs but obviously it has to be able to translate to the goddamn football field as well if they thought of him the way most would probably view it, there's nothing to worry about, you know, Deshaun is going to be the starting quarterback, we already know that and probably probably Shador is going to be the backup now bringing someone on like that and allowing him to develop and see how fast he can catch on. And maybe then, maybe then, I'm not saying he will be the starter, but just continue to groom yourself and get better and develop as a quarterback.

29:00Joe Johnson:And you can use those intangibles that you tested with in the preseason. And we'll see what he looked like.

29:06Shannon Sharpe:I think he's probably more of a project than anything, Ocho. I think he's raw. Bring him in and treat him like they did Cordell Stewart. They threw Cordell the ball. They hit him the ball. He got that kind of speed. Yeah, yeah.

29:21Joe Johnson:So what happens if he plays in the preseason? I'm talking about he look immaculate out there. Hey, Joe, that's preseason, boy. Ain't nobody out there. And shit, you still trying out for 30-something other teams? I know. I'm just saying, Joe, in the preseason, none of them boys, them boys, they not out there. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Oh, Joe, but when you came into the NFL, you can attest to this too. Hell, I can attest to it. Right. I didn't give a damn. My rookie year? Yeah. Preseason or not? Boy, I was out there trying to show what I could do. Absolutely. I'm about to give him 10 plays.

29:55Shannon Sharpe:I'm going to bust somebody's ass and nine of them for sure.

29:57Joe Johnson:Right, but I'm just saying, Joe, watching a rookie go in in the preseason and thinking you're going to be able to judge him on what he's going to be able to do in the regular season when he's not playing against the ones or the ones that's actually going to be out there on Sundays at 1 o 'clock, I take that with a grain of salt, Joe. I take it with a grain of salt. I think the thing is what you...

30:17Shannon Sharpe:Go ahead, Ocho, go ahead.

30:18Joe Johnson:I was going to say, then also defensively, Joe, everything the teams run in the preseason is so vanilla.

30:25Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

30:25Joe Johnson:Cover one, cover three, cover four, nothing exotic. You know, no blitzes. I mean, no, everything is very bland. So I would take anything I see in the preseason, especially from a quarterback is, eh.

30:41Shannon Sharpe:I think the thing is, is that I want to see him. And I understand he's young, he's raw, but I like the measurable 6 '5", 227. He has excellent speed. He has excellent size. Let's see if we get him. Now, he's only going to have four weeks to prepare. But do we see enough that if we keep him under our umbrella for a year and let him get acclimated to our system, do we see down the road him being viable for us?

31:11Joe Johnson:Right.

31:11Shannon Sharpe:Because I just can't look right now. I got to project. Sometimes I got to project them. Sometimes that's how they do. It's like, okay, maybe he's a year away. Maybe he's two years away. But he has measurables. He has things that we can't teach. I can't teach you how to be 6 '5". I can't teach you how to run sub 4 '4". I can't teach you to have this God-given athletic ability. You're born with that. But what I can teach you is how to change your mechanics and throw the football. How to get your body under control so you can throw the football more accurately. So I think that's what they're going to look at.

31:41Shannon Sharpe:I know that's what they look at in the preseason. That's what got me because they looked at me and said, like damn look how big he is he's a willing he's a willing tacker he's a willing blocker we can find something for him to do in the meantime until he figures it out absolutely

31:56Joe Johnson:it's it's so funny too is you look at scouts and they use all these numbers we do they use the combine and really it really means nothing joe what does the film look like when you turn the goddamn film on what does the player look like you can measure you can jump out the gym you can you can run a 4-2, 4-1 all that doesn't matter it doesn't matter, what do you look like when I turn the film on, how can you make an impact on my team, how can you make my franchise better at said position that you play that's all it comes down to I mean it's really cool I mean running good jumping high, doing the cone drills and all that, sometimes if it's very good you'll climb up the draft board you'll climb up the draft board You know, and you become what they call a steal.

32:44Joe Johnson:Yeah. But the film don't lie, Joe. Right. The film never lies.

32:48Shannon Sharpe:I think the thing is, what he has is ish that teams don't care about in a quarterback. They don't care that you run sub 4-4. They don't care you got a 43-inch vertical. Because when are you going to use it? You going to be Walter Payton and jump over the top? So, now, if he's a wide receiver and had those measurables, he's a DB or a linebacker or a tight end and had those measurables. Oh, they're going to be in the top three rounds with those measurables? Yeah. You're not getting past the third round. If you're a wide receiver and you're 6 '5", and you run sub 4 '4", with a 43.5-inch vertical and a 11.2 broad jump, you're not getting out of the first three rounds.

33:30Shannon Sharpe:Absolutely not. No.

33:31Joe Johnson:I think if he can figure it out, and his processing skills are great, though, Arkin Ocho. Yes. I think having a dual quarterback. Hell, dual quarterbacks are in now. Yes. You know what I mean? Yes. So if his processing skills are great, I think he'll have a chance. Like I was saying earlier, yeah, hell, he might not be with the Browns, but hell, if I get into preseason, I show some promise. Yeah. I know some team will take a chance on me and bring me in as a third quarterback, you know what I'm saying, or something. Yeah.

33:59Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Or put me on the practice squad. All I'm trying to do, the longer I can stay and play and get under someone's system that I can learn Ocho and Joe, the better I'll be. The problem is it's easier to get in the league and stay than get out and try to get back in. So my thing is that, okay, maybe I'm not on the Browns, but at some point in time, I want somebody like, you know what? Let's bring this kid in. Yeah. And let's see. It might be a situation. What was the dude from Arkansas? Y 'all had another dude. He was a quarterback. Ocho, you remember? And he switched positions. The tall white kid, Matt Jones.

34:35Shannon Sharpe:Matt Jones. Played with Jacksonville. Yes. Played with Jacksonville. He was a quarterback just like this. Six foot six. He ran 4-4. He went the first round as a wide receiver.

34:45Joe Johnson:Yeah. He played on the basketball team too. Oh, did he?

34:48Shannon Sharpe:I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So my thing is that I'm doing everything I possibly can because at least give me an opportunity to play the quarterback position. Yeah. But if you don't think I can play quarterback and it doesn't work out, I'll move my ass to wide receiver.

35:04Joe Johnson:Yeah, yeah. To stay around? Yeah.

35:06Shannon Sharpe:Hell yeah. Yeah. Taysom Hill Taysom Hill was a quarterback at BYU he got about 8 years in the NFL doing what Ocho? hand the ball off he threw a few passes he caught a few passes he got on special teams

35:22Joe Johnson:he's on the right team in the right system that knows how to use him sometimes guys get to the feelings

35:29Shannon Sharpe:this is it I'm only going to do that

35:33Joe Johnson:yeah that's him Joe

35:35Shannon Sharpe:give me an opportunity to play the position. If I don't play it well enough, you think I can't make the team and I need to switch at six foot five, Ocho, you realize this Megatron, he ran faster than Megatron.

35:52Joe Johnson:Yeah, but we got to slow down now.

35:54Shannon Sharpe:But I'm saying the measurables. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Ocho, at that point in time, I'm looking at measurables now. Right.

36:01Joe Johnson:Yeah.

36:02Shannon Sharpe:Tell me how I teach somebody to be six five. You can't. How do I teach somebody to run 4-3-6?

36:08Joe Johnson:That you can't do either.

36:09Shannon Sharpe:What about that vertical jump?

36:12Joe Johnson:Mm-mm.

36:13Shannon Sharpe:I teach that, son, keep you out on the ball. Hey, look here. Try to pick the ball up at the quarterback's hand as quick as you possibly can. Hey, you know there's so much more going through than that. Hey, go down there and work with Ocho. Ocho's going to try to tell you. 10 roll to 12. Be able to drop you. No, no, keep your head straight. Hey, pretend that there's a line that has your face mask and it's pulling you forward. So I don't want you to do this and tip your route because the DB gonna jump it. Yeah. So you got something pulling your face mask, you got a string that's pulling your face mask.

36:44Shannon Sharpe:You keep that hand pointed downfield as long as you possibly can. And then you, and come up out of there. Oh yeah.

36:52Joe Johnson:Yeah.

36:56Joe Johnson:He got his foot in the door. That's it. Hey listen, sometime in Joe, that's all you need Joe. That's it. Sometimes that's all you need. But you know what else I do like? I know a lot of players, especially coming out of college, they're going to be upset about where they got drafted. A lot of players felt, oh, I should have went first round. I should have went second round. I should have went third. Oh, I went undrafted. It doesn't matter where you got – I mean, to some, it matters where you get drafted. Only for money. Yeah, for that reason, obviously the money. But, Joe, it's going to be so eye-opening, right, that them thinking they're better than they actually are until they see how good and how far you got to go once the ones get there.

37:38Joe Johnson:I already know. Hey, Joe, it's eye-opening. It's different because you think I'm this good until the ones that are the starters show up and you see what you're supposed to really look like. Then you get a better understanding okay, I'm not where I really think I am or where I need to be. Hey, you talking about them guys who show up who got kids? Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. Who got families to feed? They know.

38:05Shannon Sharpe:And then they bought a Bentley, got a Rolls Royce, got a$34 million home. They done bought mom of half a million dollar home. And then they got their sister card. Yeah, yeah, them. It's different. Yo, it's different. Terrell Pryor, Ocho. Yeah. Terrell Pryor was a quarterback. He moved wide receiver at Cleveland and had a thousand yards receiving.

38:24Joe Johnson:Yard season, yep, sure did.

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41:39Shannon Sharpe:The Browns head coach Todd Munkin seemed a little milked at the media after getting asked about Shadour Sanders and Deshaun Watson right after the NFL draft. Let's take a listen to what Mr. Munkin had to say. This is a mini camp, just the first one, obviously. So, I mean, can you kind of share how did Deshaun and Shadour and Dylan look? We just couldn't get past the draft and get right on to back to the quarterback. everybody got some miles questions too while we're at it i mean hell um oh we're just you know here at night um first off i'll address the question first of all it was awesome three days the weather was unbelievable to get out on the grass and pump the music and get fired up being together and the neighbors complained and we didn't care and we pumped up the music louder they don't like if they can move.

42:36Shannon Sharpe:What he thought was going to happen. But normally, guys, I mean, it's the draft. The draft just ended today. So normally, okay, talk about your first round draft. Talk about your draft picks. What do you like? XYZ. Now, you probably talked about the first rounders. That's the first two or three yesterday. And now today, how did you fill out your roster? Do you like what you got? Is there any other additions that you're probably going to make? Is there anybody that you're going to bring in? Are you going to bring this? Are you going to bring that? You should ask him about the minicamp when you had him at minicamp.

43:11Shannon Sharpe:But see, they try to be sneaky. They try to sneak some secret questions and then catch him with his pants down and catch him off guard and ask him a question. And then he's sticking his foot in his mouth.

43:20Joe Johnson:Yeah, and you know what? It's always going to be a story too, Uncle Joe, especially now with Sean Watson coming back. You got Shadour? You should. Yeah, you understand the storm and the questions that come with Shadour. still being there. Obviously, Deshaun. It's going to be a back and forth. It's going to create a dialogue. It's going to be a conversation throughout the entirety of the season. It is what it is. They got to be ready for it. They got to be ready for it. The quarterbacks themselves also have to be ready for it. They're going to try to do their best to pin them boys against each other.

43:52Joe Johnson:You know how it is. Asking certain questions you shouldn't be asking. Trying to trip them up to get them to say something they shouldn't say and bait them into saying something so they can use his is a quote. You know, they'll flip your words around real fast if you're not careful. Well, I just think, you know, from a fan perspective, bro, everybody wants to know the quarterback situation. We understand they address some needs. They got...

44:17Shannon Sharpe:Well, damn, can't we get the training camp? Can't we get everybody in, Joe?

44:21Joe Johnson:I'm just saying, I'm saying from a fan standpoint, we want to know what the hell he thinking. Joe, it's April. I know. He don't play a game until September. I know, but hell, it's going to be out of Deshaun and Shadouan. No, Joe, you know who it's going to be already, Joe. You're saying Deshaun's going to start off. The starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns is going to be the one making 40 million goddamn dollars. He's not going to be on the bench. Wait a minute. You're making 40 million and you're healthy. You think you know that we already know. If you know game, if you know football, the man with the most money is going to be starting.

44:57Joe Johnson:Now, if he starts playing bad, you know, you're going into game five, game six, and you're losing, then the change is made. Right.

45:07Shannon Sharpe:And the mere fact that you're having to ask this question lets you know you don't have a solid starter. What team? They ain't asking the Rams about who their quarterback is. They ain't asking the Patriots. They're not asking the Broncos. They're not asking any other team. They're asking this because they don't have a – they're not solidified at that position. We understand that. But it's only minicamp. Think about it. We ain't got the main. They ain't even brought the rookies. They ain't even brought everybody together, you know. They ain't even had the main minicamp, Ocho, that's in June, which is the last time that they get a chance to see you before you report back to training camp.

45:46Shannon Sharpe:That's in July. We ain't in April.

45:49Joe Johnson:you ain't talk about

45:50Shannon Sharpe:you ain't talk about training camp you ain't talk about the mandatory mini camp hey listen

45:56Joe Johnson:if that pisses him off every time he get his ass up there to answer some questions I guarantee you that's going to be topic of discussion absolutely you know what else is going to piss him off too is as we get closer to the season the question from the reporters who's going to be your starting quarterback week one that's going to make it even worse but you know how you nullify that? By saying who your starter is in goddamn training camp. Unless they do the same thing they always do on, oh, it's going to be a quarterback battle. May the best man win. That's another game that the owners play. I mean, the head coaches play.

46:33Joe Johnson:You know who you want to start. Like, come on.

46:36Shannon Sharpe:I ain't got to name nothing right now. Ocho, I gave you a plus one. Who you bringing? You hadn't decided yet. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I know I'm just saying. Right. It could be X, it could be Y. Now, I'm just saying, Cambodia, I'm just saying facetiously, I'm just saying, I give Ocho a plus one. Ocho, who you coming with? Man, you know you boy Ocho ain't show yet, but you know, I'm going to show up with something. Right. So they said, look, somebody going to be out there. We're not certain who that somebody is. But guess what? we got to try to let mofos out there when they kick it off.

47:16Joe Johnson:Yeah.

47:19Shannon Sharpe:You'll see when they come out. You'll see when they try it out there. You know, look, somebody going to leak it. You know it's going to be what we get. Shadour didn't take any snaps today. Dylan took a lot of snaps with Joe Flacco. Shadour's working. Shadour's just throwing off to the side by himself. You know how this thing go.

47:39Joe Johnson:And funny, they play right into the circus. the GM and the owner and the head coach play right into the circus because if you answer the question right away From the beginning then you don't have to deal with the question. No goddamn more.

47:51Shannon Sharpe:No, guess what? Oh, Joe, if I answer that what led you to this decision when you haven't seen any of them practice against each other with Nobody out there going against live competition. You see you see all you did was see what you did Oh, you invited another question just by doing what you did That's how they walk you to a trap but I'd rather that

48:13Joe Johnson:than having to hear the same question over and over and over and over until you answer who's going to be a week one starter you know what they're going to do when it comes to the preseason Deshaun will start one game, then Shaduah is going to start then they're going to have a whole rollout like a goddamn album release party and have everybody guessing who's going to start week one knowing good and well Deshaun is going to be the starter based on the amount of money he's making going into the season.

48:45Shannon Sharpe:Yes, I agree with you. But now, me opening that door, now every day of practice, what I'm going to get? How does Shadour look today? Has Shadour done anything to overtake Deshaun? Deshaun had a bad day. Are you looking at Shadour to replace him? Deshaun had a good day. they look this is not going away for the simple fact is that you know the fans want your door to start they've got a lot of money like you said tied up in Deshaun and they're like at least let me try to get some let me try to recoup some value out of what I've already spent you're not gonna get it back unless Deshaun lead them to the Super Bowl that's the only way he can repay what they've already paid you just have to be careful because they're going to be unrelenting man ain't nobody want to talk about the Cleveland Browns had minicab had practice today I need a story

49:51Shannon Sharpe:that ain't no I need I need stories I need people don't even read the paper anymore anyway why so guess what I got to create a story now what are people reading on the internet right now there are two things people reading on the internet. They got to do with sports, but that damn show ain't got to do about the game being played. You know how this go. We done been at this thing a long time. We've been on this side, and we've been on the other side. So two stories going on. It ain't nothing about shooting no basketball or catching a football or throwing no football. Those are the two biggest things going.

50:28Shannon Sharpe:Go look and see what's trending.

50:31Joe Johnson:Right. I know exactly what you're talking about.

50:35Shannon Sharpe:It is what it is. Yeah.

50:39Joe Johnson:Damn.

50:42Shannon Sharpe:Sometimes I wish I was entertainment tonight so I could talk about other stuff, but I can't. We ain't. That is what we do over here. We say you don't want to be messy. Nah, nah, nah, nah. I don't care. I mean, I would literally need to care enough to really care. Right. Right. I don't know exactly what you think. They grown. What they want us to do? They like me, like, like night camp is mad. Like we counselors or something. People got on me with the Michael Beasley. Unc is not educated enough. He's not smart enough to handle this conversation. My job is not to understand it. My job is to ask questions.

51:21Shannon Sharpe:I didn't interrupt him. I didn't try to say X, Y, Z because I'm not a clinical psychologist. And neither are you. let him tell his story that was his story right that's what he went through my job was allow him the space where he felt comfortable ocho and joe to share his story that is his i was not there now all of a sudden y 'all wanted me to do this and why this any other time y 'all didn't want me to interrupt it y 'all pick and choose what y 'all want me to do let the man tell his story he's emotional he had a lot going on in this play. He explained it to you.

52:01Joe Johnson:Boy, I felt a lot of this stuff. Yes. I'm talking about

52:05Shannon Sharpe:exactly what he was talking about. I understand what it's like to be hungry. I understand what it's like to have not a dominant male figure in your life. I'll get that. I had my brother, but he wanted his father. And what his mother told him wasn't what the father relayed to him. So he had a resentment towards his mother. When he tried to work through that, she died. Now I didn't really get a chance to make amends for that.

52:39Joe Johnson:No, that hurt.

52:40Shannon Sharpe:My coach, who I thought was my father figure in my life, I had to repay him everything that he had done for me in my childhood. Damn. So he felt like everybody that he had the most trust in betrayed him. Now I got a wall up. I don't know who to trust.

52:57Joe Johnson:There you go.

52:58Shannon Sharpe:Now I try to tell you what's wrong. You're like, I'm telling you, but that ain't what you tell me. That ain't what's wrong with you. I just told you what was wrong with me. I told you I'm hungry. You telling me I got a damn headache. Yeah, it's a hunger pain. So I understood exactly. But my job was not to try to be Dr. Ruth. My job wasn't trying to not to try to be Dr. Laura Schlesinger. My job was to ask questions to try to get him to go in detail of what is the trauma. I don't know. Like I said, I have never heard a Michael Beasley interview. Everybody that's been on my show, I never watched him on any other shows because I don't want it to dictate what I ask.

53:44Joe Johnson:Right.

53:44Shannon Sharpe:Now, there might be some questions that are similar to other podcasts that he's been on. But I think that's the thing that we do at Club Shea Shea is that we try to go as deep as we possibly can. And what does everybody always say? Oh, you did your homework, huh? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yes. So all this, he's not smart enough. He's not willing to have this conversation. Actually, he's sitting across from me. So clearly I was willing to have this conversation. I don't know what you wanted me to say because I'm not a professional in that field. Love somebody's face. I think got people open up to me. You know why?

54:28Shannon Sharpe:Because I don't interrupt them and I don't judge them. Yeah. You come to Club Shay Shay, you sit across from me, you get to determine. Now, sometimes they'll tell us, look, I only got 60 minutes. I only got 65 minutes. I got 90 minutes. Okay. But for the most part, they's like, hey, I got as much time as you need. You're not going to be interrupted and you're not going to be judged. What did he say? They wouldn't listen to him and they judged him. He told you. He said, I kept trying to reinvent myself. That's why I kept cutting my hair. I kept trying to change who y 'all thought I was.

55:13Shannon Sharpe:he told you he was telling you everything all you do is listen but see a lot of times see the difference is is that you guys listen to respond i was listening to understand what he was trying to say i fully i totally i think i got the gist of what he was trying to say he said some very interesting things he said you know what he said my mom told me how not to get in trouble your mom told you not to get in trouble

55:50Shannon Sharpe:that's a bar wow I had to come home if I came home I couldn't come home and just have something for myself I had to bring something for everybody

56:01Joe Johnson:when you're talking about that pizza yeah

56:05Shannon Sharpe:You don't know what it's like when you have to grow up and be a man before your time because it real. What was Michael Jackson searching for? He never got a chance to be a child. So that's why he built Neverland. Yep. He wanted to go back and grab something that he never got a chance to be a part of, which was a kid.

56:24Joe Johnson:Mm-hmm.

56:27Shannon Sharpe:Beez is like, I never got a chance to be a kid. I had to grow up immediately. man it's so much talent I mean you can feel the pain you can see the hurt just listen to any talk listen to understand don't listen to respond but I didn't feel that was my place I wasn't trying to diagnose it oh you what was I laughing about there were situations in there that I thought was funny Sometimes you try to break the move. I would ask him, we pause, we don't see that. He's like, no, I don't want a Kleenex. Just let me cry. Mm. Mm.

57:16Shannon Sharpe:I thought he was very open. I thought he was very candid. I thought he was very forthcoming. He said, yeah, I've made some mistakes. so you judge my decision not knowing the choices that i had

57:35Shannon Sharpe:that's what we oh joe we had a conversation a couple years ago i say you when you judge a man by where he's standing when you don't know where he came from what he overcame just to get here how long did it take him

57:55Shannon Sharpe:he said that's what y 'all do y 'all judge what I did y 'all didn't know the choices that I was given

58:04Shannon Sharpe:everybody says what they will or won't do until they're in a situation and you have to make a decision now you'll know what you will or you won't do because you don't know oh I'd have did this okay I'd have did that Okay.

58:22Yeah.

58:23Joe Johnson:Hey, you don't know how strong you are until you got to be strong, boy. Thank you. Ooh.

58:31Shannon Sharpe:See, people look at strength, Joe, as being able to lift weights. Strength is overcoming something that you didn't think you could. That's where strength come from. Mm.

58:46The problem is that y 'all don't get an opportunity

58:50Shannon Sharpe:to see what takes place before or after. All y 'all go about is what y 'all see on camera. Y 'all don't know the conversations that we have before the cameras roll or after the cameras roll. All y 'all talk about you being messy. Y 'all don't realize we've already had a conversation. Is there anything that you don't feel comfortable talking about? some says hey I wish I prefer not to go here some I'm an open book with oh I'm here you got me whatever you want to talk about let's talk about it but again you judge my decisions on not to do x y z or to do something with not knowing the choices that I was given

59:34Shannon Sharpe:there's a lot more to it than just oh he's just reading the cue card so no it's not it doesn't go like that. It has to be, you know, you have to be get a start in, you get a guy comfortable, you get him or her comfortable, and then they'll open up. As long as they don't feel you're judging them. Right. As long as you're not cutting them off. That's why the interviews, most of my interviews, look at Club Shady, they two hours, 2.15, 2.30, 2.40, three hours. I just let you talk. You came here, they didn't come to hear my voice. All I'm going to do is read your accolades. I'm going to ask you a question.

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