In short
Parallels between Tim Duncan and Victor Wembanyama’s early playoff paths; NBA Finals matchup talk centered on De’Aaron Fox and Mike Brown; and criticism that Sacramento Kings’ “infrastructure” is the problem, not coaching or players.
Guest backgrounds
Mike Brown is a former NBA coach (Spurs connection mentioned) and was asked about facing Fox in the NBA Finals. The other speakers are basketball veterans/analysts discussing Spurs/young talent and coaching “pecking order,” including comparisons to Kobe/Shaq and the 2000 Ravens defense (from a football anecdote).
Key claims
Wembanyama’s Spurs run mirrors Duncan’s (beating Blazers/Wolves, then facing Knicks). The Spurs’ core is expected to stay together for a decade, with Harper/Castle/Wemby as the “core three,” but Fox may be moved off to make room. Kings’ failures are attributed to organizational infrastructure and front-office decisions (Luka Doncic passed on, Haliburton traded, Mike Brown fired, Fox moved on), leading to only a first-round exit.
Notable examples
Duncan’s 1999-2000 playoff wins and 2003 Finals vs Knicks; Spurs young roster names (Wemby, Dylan Harper, Castle, Vassell, Champagnie); Kings roster/decisions (Doncic, Haliburton, Fox, Sabonis).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VODistrust in News Media
0:00 to 0:55
Exploring the skepticism towards news media and its effects.
“I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything.”
Distrust in News Media
2:29 to 3:04
Exploring the skepticism towards news media and its effects.
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Tim Duncan and Wemby: A Study in Parallels
3:09 to 8:00
Examining the similarities between Tim Duncan's and Victor Wembanyama's playoff journeys.
“The parallels between Tim Duncan and Victor Wimanyama first playoff run are insane.”
The Challenges of Team Dynamics
8:00 to 12:30
Discussing how to manage talent and egos within a basketball team.
“But what I'm saying is, I think they understand how unique Wimby is.”
Facing Personal Demons
12:30 to 14:02
A conversation about overcoming personal challenges and addictions.
“Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm talking about.”
Facing Personal Demons
15:03 to 15:52
A conversation about overcoming personal challenges and addictions.
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Mike Brown on NBA Finals vs Spurs
16:34 to 21:04
Mike Brown discusses facing his former team and the competition.
“to the Spurs organization and De 'Aaron Fox ahead of the NBA Finals.”
Reflecting on Former Teams and Rivalries
21:06 to 24:15
Insights on playing against former teams and the emotional aspect of it.
“Knowing that defense, once Marvin Lewis said, hey, Shea, because it was a running joke.”
The Greatness of the 2000 Ravens Defense
24:16 to 28:00
A discussion on the legendary defense of the 2000 Ravens and its impact.
“Oh, we're knocking your quarterback out the game.”
Discussing NFL Hits and Coaches
28:00 to 33:19
The hosts talk about memorable hits in football and notable coaches in the NBA.
“Y 'all looked at that hit that Robert that put on the Keeley Smith.”
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Kings' Infrastructure Issues
34:29 to 42:00
The hosts analyze the struggles of the Sacramento Kings and their organizational challenges.
“They passed on Luka, traded Halle, fired Mike Brown, and moved on from Fox.”
WNBA Nostalgia and Team Dynamics
42:00 to 44:38
Discussing the evolution of women's basketball and the historical significance of teams like the Houston Comets.
“They own the building which they play in Damn Like the Liberty?”
WNBA Nostalgia and Team Dynamics
45:54 to 47:00
Discussing the evolution of women's basketball and the historical significance of teams like the Houston Comets.
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WNBA Nostalgia and Team Dynamics
47:03 to 47:30
Discussing the evolution of women's basketball and the historical significance of teams like the Houston Comets.
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Transcript
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3:09Shannon Sharpe:The parallels between Tim Duncan and Victor Wimanyama first playoff run are insane. 22-year-old Tim Duncan first playoff run. Beat the Blazers. Beat the Wolves. Defeated the Lakers. His rival was Shaq. beat the Knicks in five games in the NBA Finals. Wimby beat the Blazers, beat the Wolves, defeated his rival Chet, facing the Knicks in the NBA Finals.
3:35Chad Johnson:That's scary. Nah, it is for real. It is for real. I think seeing San Antonio, because I don't think we thought San Antonio would be here this fast.
3:48Shannon Sharpe:No, we thought there was going to probably be another year away. Because we talked about it. Yeah. We talked about it. I said, Joe, you remember OKC? They got upset by the Mavericks, came back the next year. Yeah. So I was thinking, Thunder do it, and then they come back next year.
4:07Chad Johnson:Absolutely. And for them to be on the biggest stage right now, man, this young team is so scary, bro, that potentially, seriously, fellas, I don't know if they can keep all those guys together because, you know, everybody's going to want to get paid. But it's hard to construct a team like this, to have all this talent on one team. So I figure in about two or three years, yeah, you're going to have a lot of these key pieces gone. But the core, obviously Wimby and Yama, Kassel, Harper, I guess Vassell and Champagny, like they intact for the next at least decade. I'm just being realistic. You know, they going to give people hell for the next decade for sure.
4:52Shannon Sharpe:I think their core three is Harper, Castle, and Wimmy.
4:59Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah.
5:00Shannon Sharpe:And I know they would like to keep Vassell. I know they'd like to keep Champagny. I just don't think it's going to be possible. And I think they're going to probably end up moving off of Fox. Because Harper is too good to keep on the bench, Joe. You can't keep him on the bench, Joe.
5:14Chad Johnson:You know, he is. You look at tonight.
5:15Shannon Sharpe:You remember that overtime game, game one? Yeah.
5:23Shannon Sharpe:And I love Fox. Fox has been amazing. This last game, it showed you why they got him. Yeah.
5:31Chad Johnson:You just can't keep all those guys.
5:33Shannon Sharpe:You can't.
5:34Chad Johnson:It's hard to have all that talent on one team. It's just too much. And you're right. I'm looking, hey, if I'm the Spurs at some point, Dylan Harper is going to be my star. He's got to. Hey, hey, hey, hey. When would that be, Joe? It probably going to be next year, Ocho.
5:52Shannon Sharpe:When would that be? Yeah. It's going to be either next year or the year after. He ain't got more than two years there. I can feel scenario in the house now because he – you got a great situation. Fox, you can learn from a veteran player. Fox is still unbelievable. but this kid is Joe I can't keep him on the bench I can't
6:13Chad Johnson:I think you can play both of them if you just want me to be honest which
6:18Shannon Sharpe:it's hard to play three guards Joe even though you got Wimby and that kind of hurt him a little bit I mean cause you got to when you play three guards you got to have a conscious like hey we got to hit the glass we got to we talked about this with the Dallas Wings when they play Reek and they play Beckers and they play FUD.
6:40Chad Johnson:Yeah. It's tough.
6:44Shannon Sharpe:It is. And I think the thing, you can keep teams that come up together as long as they understand the pecking order. I don't think there'll ever be a situation. I could be wrong. You don't know what the mindset is. Is that Harper Castle think they are better than Wimby. That's when you run into problems.
7:12Chad Johnson:I don't think they're going to run into that. I think they understand the picking order, and they know by having him, he makes the game so much easier for those guys. How about that picking order in L.A.?
7:25Shannon Sharpe:How about that picking order in Cleveland? good.
7:31Shannon Sharpe:Hey Joe, I'll be using the NBA when it happened. I'm listening. Go ahead. Fill us in. Tell Ocho and I about this. Cause you was a writer at the time.
7:39Chad Johnson:What you talking about? With the Lakers, when they won three championships in a row, how did that peck it on? That's cause you got, but that's cause you got two damn alphas. You got two damn alphas. How you think Castle? Do you not think Castle think he's an alpha? Did you see this man. Dylan Harper had a...
7:57Shannon Sharpe:Come on, come on, bro. Come on, bro. Come on, bro. Hey. Come on, bro.
8:01Chad Johnson:And you need that. And you need that, bro. You need that from him, Unc. But what I'm saying is, I think they understand how unique Wimby is. Man, they ain't... If he on your damn team, he gonna be option one. And you gonna be two. Period, point blank. Kobe said, nah, I don't wanna be two no more. Well, we know Kobe was a little different. Yeah, man, Bill looked at him.
8:29Shannon Sharpe:Guess what? Hold on. Was Kobe ever a two? Was Kobe ever a two?
8:35Chad Johnson:Yes.
8:37Shannon Sharpe:Not in his mind. Not in his mind. Okay. Bro, when Kobe got there in 96, who thought Kobe was better than Shaq? Nobody. Nobody.
8:51Chad Johnson:When he first got there, nobody.
8:53Shannon Sharpe:been in the league four years and he was a top 50 player all time in his fourth year
9:03Shannon Sharpe:what kobe turned himself into with that relentless drive and work ethic yes he became that but bro let's not fool ourselves when they arrived in l.a at the same time it wasn't close nah but what Kobe worked and turned himself into yes yes I'm not no two I'm the one every year you saw Kobe get better it wasn't like oh man same thing when you watched AR you watched AR of undrafted free agent and every year you see his points increase you see him getting better you watch Kobe and every damn year he got the guy that was laughing at that when he airballed that shot. Yeah. And it.
9:57Chad Johnson:Hey, hey, could be the same turning point for check now. You know, everybody been. Oh, no, no, no. We always had that in him. We don't. We don't. It just take a moment. It take a moment for them for that dog. I saw it.
10:12Shannon Sharpe:you i'm never gonna let a chihuahua palmeranian guard the flock that's he gonna sit on my lap and he gonna bark at the doorbell and when the mailman stick the bell in the slot he gonna go tear it up yeah that's what i got him for i will get an alibi i will get a kangol i'm gonna get a barber i'm gonna get me one of these big-ass caucasian masters i'm gonna let them guard the That ain't Chad makeup though Joe that's in you Joe ain't nobody gave you that It wasn't a situation That it was your upbringing That caused you to be Joe Johnson It was Ocho's upbringing That caused Ocho to be Chad Johnson It was my upbringing That was in me That ain't on me There's certain things you can't coach Joe Certain things you can't coach You have an it factor everybody has that it's back some people got it some people don't you can't coach it you born with it you born with it yes look but here's the thing though Joe that's his demons Chet if you're an alcoholic Chet is the drink if you got a gambling problem Chet is the casino Wimby is the casino if you got a girl addiction Wimby is the model so whatever your weakness is he's it how do you face it how do you stare it down gotta go through his head guess what Joe if you have an addiction to alcohol guess what you gotta do Joe I gotta go by every liquor store every day for the rest of my life and not go in there I got to be able to go to a restaurant and order water or a soda and not a drink.
12:09Shannon Sharpe:I go out with the boys to watch a game. I got to walk by the bar and go sit in the back and have a good time while everybody else is drinking. I got to be able to go, hey, man, we going to Vegas.
12:24Shannon Sharpe:Bro, I don't know if I can go to Vegas. It's like me in Houston. I gotta go to Houston every time I gotta go to Houston man me and Joe hey
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12:45Shannon Sharpe:there's a saying that says we create our demons only we can chase them away yeah we going to Houston damn it we going to Houston I'm gonna chase my demons away I'm going to Houston and I'm gonna be outside.
13:02Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Hey, that's good energy, huh? Yeah.
13:07Shannon Sharpe:Oh, my bad. Hey, hey, hey.
13:10Chad Johnson:I said that a lot. I like the language you talking, man. That's what I'm talking about. I like it. Hey, and you know what? And you said that with some conviction. That's how I know you meant it. Yeah. You meant that.
13:23Shannon Sharpe:Oh, Lord.
13:24Chad Johnson:Yeah.
13:24Shannon Sharpe:That's all. I'm with you when you're right. I ain't bothering nobody. I turned off news altogether.
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16:33Shannon Sharpe:Mike Brown was asked if it's difficult to separate his connection to the Spurs organization and De 'Aaron Fox ahead of the NBA Finals. They definitely want to beat me and I want to kick their ass. I love them and you could always love them before and after. Joe, you ever – so how was it when you played – when you were in Atlanta and you played Phoenix or you went to the Brooklyn and you played Atlanta and you played Phoenix? How was that?
17:02Chad Johnson:I tried to get a ass third every game. I tried and I damn near succeeded a lot of times. I ain't saying I did it every time, but a lot of the times I was trying to get a ass hell, especially Phoenix. When I left Phoenix and came here, I tried to get them boys hell every time they seen me. They know it. They knew it. Hey, what we talking about, I ain't got to say a damn thing, but my energy alone lets you know, he ain't messing around today. Hey, we gonna have to send that double on his ass, cause he think he finna come in here and give us 35, 40 points. Hell nah. Yeah, that's how my energy was.
17:40Shannon Sharpe:Ocho did you play the Bengals when you went to New England no no sir I was only there for that one season and when they ran that gauntlet that year I didn't shoot I think them boys might have lost two, three, maybe three games that season nah we didn't play I played man how funny is this man I leave the Broncos I go to the Ravens Our first playoff game, guess who it's against, Joe? Who? The Broncos. Ravens? Oh, the Broncos.
18:14Chad Johnson:Oh, man. The Broncos. You trying to get ass here when you're touching.
18:20Shannon Sharpe:My first catch. Joe, what? My first catch, they call a pass. It's kind of a windy day. I know Jamal. I used to call him the big M. It's a derogatory term. It wasn't derogatory at the time, but since, you know, I've been known, little people say it's derogatory, but let's just call him I call him a little person. He had every size body but he had little short arms. We call a pass. He goes into the flat. I see Trent rear back to throw it. I said, ain't no way in hell Big Marl gonna catch this. Yeah. I said, let me go ahead and head that way. So I start getting me a little light jog. I head that way just in case it bobbles up in the air i'm gonna have to catch i'm gonna have to chase somebody down right what happened sure enough he bobbled it up in the air i'll be a defender tip it i catch it go down the sideline 58 yards for a touchdown joe in front of the broncos bench
19:26Chad Johnson:hey hey you know what it is it's because when you playing your former team bro you be so in tune you know what I mean? And it's like the littlest things that can happen for you. It's like, cause I done had games where I played against former teams and it didn't go so well. But for the most part, you be so locked in cause you want your damn get back. You know, you just feel a way. You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. And you want to come out and put on a hell of a performance. I know exactly what you're talking about.
19:57Shannon Sharpe:And my thing was, it was, cause I still had a lot of friends over there. It was the fact. And I told him, and I ended up having a conversation with Mike, and I said, Mike, I'm not upset that you tried to trade me and you ended up not even offering me a contract. It was the fact that you thought you'd be better without me. Yeah. I said, there are so many things that I do outside of the football. You just look at what I do on the football field.
20:28Chad Johnson:Right. When I left and the locker room went to chaos
20:34Shannon Sharpe:and all that other stuff was going on, had a conversation like, 84, you're right.
20:43But I got, I didn't catch with three passes.
20:45Shannon Sharpe:I had like 78 yards, but it was that one play. And then every big play that we needed to get to the Super Bowl, I made it. That made me feel good because they didn't think I could play at that level. and even though I didn't get the opportunities that I got younger in my career at Denver, give me an opportunity. I'll make a play.
21:06Chad Johnson:Yeah.
21:06Shannon Sharpe:Knowing that defense, once Marvin Lewis said, hey, Shea, because it was a running joke. We started joking like, Marvin, how many points do you need today? Marvin said, we give us this. So we playing Tennessee.
21:24Shannon Sharpe:So we beat the Broncos. He's like, we say Broncos not going to score anything on us. I said, what you need in Tennessee? He said, Shea, give us 10. I said, Marvin, they got the best record in the NFL. Statistically, their defense was better than ours. He said, give us 10. Give it to us early.
21:47Shannon Sharpe:They scored. Play's going crazy. They bust the coverage. I go down. I catch a 58-yard pass. Go down to the one. Jamal score. They kick a field goal, we kick a field goal. Then they try to pick another field goal, we block it, running back for a touchdown. They throw a swing pass to Eddie in the flat, Ray Pickett go back for a touchdown. So we beat them. So we feeling good. So we going out early. We going out early to the Raiders because we're playing, they're in Oakland. My best friend Sharon, she passes. She was supposed to meet me in Tennessee, but she ends up passing. So I end up having to go out there.
22:28Shannon Sharpe:I have to go out there to Denver, obviously to her home going service. So I don't ride on a plane out there because normally I'm up the front. So the veteran players, if you've got 10 years or more, you sit up front with the coaches, everybody else in the back. So I didn't get a chance. So when I get to the hotel that Saturday, I say, Marv, what we looking like? He say, Shay. give us seven. I said, Marvin. I said, Marvin, they got the number one offense in football. What you mean? He said, Shea, give us seven. Give it to us early. So I said, Shea, be honest now. Because we always sit at the table.
23:15Shannon Sharpe:We always sit. Me, Shea, Woody, Ron Wilson, Corey Harris. We always sit together. I said, Shea. I said, Shea, what we looking like? What we looking at tomorrow? He looked me dead in my eyes. He said, Shea, give a seven the first quarter. It's over. I said, what? I ain't telling what Marvin had told me. I said, come. Go ahead and over there, man. I said, you know a big play Shea good for seven. I said, Stover got a kick in him, so that's 10. So you said if we get the 10 points. He said, Shea, if we get the seven points and y 'all don't turn it over, they done. We good. Hey, Joe, I don't think people understand how good that 2000 Ravens defense was.
24:06Chad Johnson:They would like that, Ocho. Joe, I don't even think, I think if the 2000 Ravens defense was playing today, everybody on that team would be suspended. Oh, yeah. You can't play like that now.
24:20Shannon Sharpe:Joe, the way they played? Oh, we're knocking your quarterback out the game. Yo's backup, get your backup ready to play because they're going to knock your starter out. There was no weakness, Joe. You know, every time you play a team, there's always a fish. We call them the fish, Joe. Yeah. When we go through our game plan, when we go through our scouting report, you find who the fish is, you find who the weak league is, and that's what you pick on. You pick on the fish. Joe ain't no fish out there. With them back then? Yeah. Then stop playing. Joe, you got to realize they gave up 3-10-3-0. Damn.
25:01Shannon Sharpe:Stingy. Every offensive play other than the last play of the game that was a nil down ended in a punt or turnover for them. They had 16 possessions. It ended in a punt or turnover. Hold on.
25:15Chad Johnson:But what made that defense so great? Obviously, we know Ray. But what really made it great?
25:21Shannon Sharpe:You couldn't run the football. They made you one-dimensional. At all. In 16 games, they didn't give up 1 ,000 total yards rushing. You couldn't run him. So now they know you got to throw it. All they played was cover two.
25:38Shannon Sharpe:But your third foot, that ball better be out your hands or they're going to knock your quarterback out. Go back and look at the hit that Rob Burnett put on Achilles Smith. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Landliners. Did he? If you were to hit a quarterback like that today, you are getting suspended. Chat, go look at that shot that Rob Burnett put on the Keeley Smith. If you hit a quarterback, I mean, he took two steps and got ready to throw and Rob Burnett put his helmet right up under his chin.
26:12Shannon Sharpe:I remember that. Boy, look here. You got a real joke. In 20 games, they didn't give up 200 points in 20 games. As a matter of fact, they didn't give up 190 points in 20 games.
26:30Shannon Sharpe:But them boys were good, bruh.
26:34Chad Johnson:Putting it down. But you know who didn't, you know who ain't seen them boys, Joe? Who? Me. Huh? I ain't seen them boys, Joe. You good, Ocho. Ocho. Ocho, how many yards you had against the boy? He wasn't in the league, did he? Nah, I came in the next year. He came in in 2001. Oh, OK, OK. Hey, but Joe, I still ain't seen them boys, Joe.
26:58Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. We had a little something. Had the Y, Y West on Ocho.
27:04Chad Johnson:What y 'all done?
27:06Shannon Sharpe:We can't say it. You know, it start with a B, it ends with a Y. We put a little money on the head. Hey, Joe ain't have a problem with that. Hey, they already had money on my head anyway, Joe, and I ain't see that. Look, Mike Brown wants to win a championship. There ain't very many of us of color that have won an NBA title. Yeah. Joe Mazzula Lenny Wilkins Bill Russell as a player coach Al Adels Doc Rivers Yes sir I mean the NBA been going on for 80 years I think that's it What is Mitch Johnson He blanking it I'm saying yes they want to win And it's a rarity guess what That they go against each other Yeah Yeah.
28:05Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.
28:09Shannon Sharpe:Hey, y 'all looked at that hit. Oh, there it is. Y 'all looked at that hit that Robert that put on the Keeley Smith. You put, you pulled it up. Pull it up. We can't show it. We allowed to play it. You're not allowed to play it, huh? But you can pull up, take a look at it. I mean, bro, he didn't even get fully in his drop. Ball was gone. Yes, Casey Jones. So, Bill Russell, Coach Russell did it, Al Adams, Casey Jones, Joe Mazzulla, Doc Rivers, Ty Lue. Did we leave out anybody? And now we're about to get another one. Yeah.
28:54Chad Johnson:It's going to be interesting, though.
28:57Shannon Sharpe:So, what is it, six? Because Al Adler won with the Warriors. Obviously, we know Russell and Casey Jones won with the Celtics. Doc won with the Celtics. Joe Mazzula won with the Celtics. Ty Lue won with the Cavs.
29:16Oh. Hey, I'm just Rod. Is Rod Barnett or Rob?
29:21Shannon Sharpe:I'll be Rob. He and I came out together. He's from Syracuse. We came out 90 together. Goose came out. I think Goose might have been a 12th round pick. Goose might have been the 12th round, or Goose might have been a free agent.
29:36Shannon Sharpe:We asked about to text the link to you. Yeah, I got it now, 1999, week five. 2000.
29:51Shannon Sharpe:Man, we put a hurt on y 'all.
29:56Shannon Sharpe:Hey Joe, I couldn't if you don't hear the, uh-uh. You know, I got a little touchdown. You know, hey, see that touchdown I put on your boy, Darryl Williams? Joe, oh, I shook him. Ooh, did I? Hey, D-Will get hit, boy. You know, then I went back down to Cincinnati and put two on his head.
30:20Shannon Sharpe:Bill Russell, Bill Reynolds, Casey Jones, Lenny Wilkins, Doc Rivers, Joe Mazzullo, Ty Lue. Seven. Did we miss anybody?
30:35Yes.
30:36Shannon Sharpe:So, we said Russell, Al Adams, Casey Jones, Lenny Wilkins, Doc Rivers, Joe Mazzula, Ty Lue. Did we miss anybody, Chad?
30:54Hey, that was a nice little stunt, man. That was a nice stunt.
31:04Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, you know if you hit a quarterback like that now, you get suspended, right? Oh, yeah. You put all your weight on him like that, you out the game. That was a nice stunt. That was a nice little stunt. I'm not even gonna lie.
31:20Well, we have a brother.
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34:28Shannon Sharpe:Mike Brown all reached the NBA Finals within the last two years. They passed on Luka, traded Halle, fired Mike Brown, and moved on from Fox. And all they got in return was a first-round exit in 2023. Joe, what's going on with the Kings?
34:45Chad Johnson:Their infrastructure bad, fella. Ain't no way around it. I don't even know how you cut or slice it. Halle played in the finals last year Mike Brown in the finals Fox in the finals
34:56Shannon Sharpe:Yeah
34:58Chad Johnson:It ain't the damn coaches and the players Obviously we see that now It's the organization It's the infrastructure bro It's obviously, it's bad It started at the top, don't you? Huh? It started at the top, huh? Yeah, it got to bro When you look at all these situations These guys going to different teams coaches coaching different teams and they are having success. And you look at the Kings, bro, they've been in the dumps, Uncle Ocho Hill, for a good minute.
35:28Shannon Sharpe:Man, they've been in the dumps since a C-Web them left.
35:33Chad Johnson:And Bibby them left.
35:35Shannon Sharpe:They've been bad ever since C-Web them.
35:40Chad Johnson:And so I don't know, man. I don't know how you get it. What pick they got this year? I think they got like – They need a bunch of picks. I think they got a lot.
35:49Shannon Sharpe:It's being reported, Joe, that they're thinking about moving on from – what's the big tall guy? The Chrissy? No, no, no, no, the player, the Lithuanian.
36:03Shannon Sharpe:His dad played. The lefty. Sabonis. Yes. Sabonis. Yes. I told Ocho they believed that he was 7 '1".
36:15Chad Johnson:Hold on. I thought Sabonis was already gone. He ain't already, he's still there. No, he ain't stuck to them. Yeah, they probably, hey, he gonna help someday, buddy.
36:28Shannon Sharpe:He ain't, look, Sabonis is good, but his dad was a hell of a player. I mean, his dad was, by the time he got to the States and played with Portland, he's old and beat up. But boy, you talking about pass to basketball? He was Jokic passing before Jokic. He used to get Shaq's hands too.
36:49Chad Johnson:He was 7 '3". Could shoot the three.
36:55Shannon Sharpe:Hey, Joe, the mock draft got Acuff going to the Kings.
37:01Chad Johnson:Oh, man. They got my – I don't want Acuff to go to the Kings, bro. Hey, but you're right. Hey, Sabonis, I think he was shooting threes back then. Sinners wasn't shooting threes. He was one of the only sinners shooting threes back then. Probably like him and Sam Perkins, you know, them big guys. Big guys weren't shooting threes like that back then.
37:25Shannon Sharpe:But you go back and look at him when he played for the unified team. Well, I think they was called the Russian team. They later became the unified.
37:31Chad Johnson:He was serious.
37:34Shannon Sharpe:They used to get a man. High IQ.
37:37Chad Johnson:High IQ. to pass the crap out of that ball. I don't know exactly what you're talking about.
37:42Shannon Sharpe:But it was what you call him. It was the Brazilians. And I think they beat them in the – they ended up beating David Robinson them when they had the legendary Oscar Schmidt, the Brazilian. Yeah. Joe. Now you talking about a bucket getter? I think he dropped like 48 on the Americans. And that was when they said, you know what? Enough of this. We bringing pros. Y 'all got pros. We bringing pros. Ain't no more college it's going on. right the aces got back to their winning ways they beat the valkyries 91 81 asia wilson 28 points 15 rebounds four blocks jackie young got back to looking like jackie young 23 points nine assists she was nine of 17 from the field five of nine from the three-point line and she grabbed seven rebounds the victory gave becky hammond's 150th big coaching victory and made her the second fastest coach to reach that milestone.
38:37Shannon Sharpe:She did it in 205 games. Seven behind Van Chancellor who set the record when he coached the Houston Comets. Gabby Williams led the Valkyrie with 20 points. Man, Asia, look when they're playing, when them two guards when Asia is Asia and Jackie Young, one of those guards play, they hell. They are, bro.
39:05Chad Johnson:they gonna be tough to beat you know you right when Asia's playing like this and she can't be stopped 15 boys 28 points it ain't I don't know if I don't even know if they got a girl in the WNBA who matches up well with her you see how she moves
39:26Shannon Sharpe:she's not she doesn't move like a lady her she's sudden and she's lefty She's added a three. She's got a midi. She can put the ball on the floor. She can get to the rim. You foul her. But as a two-way player, she gives you points, rebounds, and block your shots.
39:50Chad Johnson:You know, with women, though, especially like in Asia's position, because she's a center, she needs good guard play. And she got two of the best. And she's getting – yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and when they playing well, when they playing well, that's what makes them virtually impossible to beat.
40:06Shannon Sharpe:And, man, what you call them? Look, this was a very important game to them because they played their starters in major minutes, and Kennedy Carter, who's been unbelievable. Right now, she'd be the sixth woman of the year. She's been amazing. She only played nine minutes, but she still gave you six points, Joe. She was perfect from the field, one-on-one from the three-point line, and three-of-four from the free-throw line. She was amazing.
40:33Chad Johnson:Yeah, hey, hey, Becky rode them horses today. She did, hey. Nah, hey, hey.
40:41Shannon Sharpe:Unlike Ron Turcotte on Secretariat, hey, he got to the top, he took the back up on it and said, I don't even need it today. And that chestnut coat laid it down. Come on home. And you see her turn back over, He looked like, God, are y 'all even running? Hey. Damn. Becky had to whip out today. Come on.
41:07Chad Johnson:Come on home. Yeah. Facts. Facts. Hey, sometimes, hey, buddy, sometimes that's what it takes. Hey, if you in a little rut or you trying to bounce back, hey, y 'all need to get it together.
41:20Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Gabby Williams, she played for the French team, didn't she? She played for the French team. Because I think she got dual citizenship, so I think she played for the French team. Because remember, Joe, in the Olympics, she had to hit that shot, but her foot was on the line.
41:38Chad Johnson:Who is this? Gabby Williams played for the Valkyries.
41:40Shannon Sharpe:For Golden State. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Kea Stokes, she played with the Aces last year. Kind of doing what she's done before. No points, seven rebounds.
41:54Chad Johnson:I think I read somewhere The Golden State Valkyries They like a top franchise Oh yeah they're the most expensive franchise
42:01Shannon Sharpe:I think they worth a billion
42:03Chad Johnson:A billion? But what makes them How's that?
42:07Shannon Sharpe:They own the building which they play in
42:10Chad Johnson:Damn
42:11Shannon Sharpe:Like the Liberty?
42:15Chad Johnson:Oh yeah Huh? Damn man we should have got in and got us a percentage on the Dream. Hell yeah.
42:25Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, we could have got it real cheap. Ain't nothing cheap now.
42:32Shannon Sharpe:Houston, yeah. Hey, yeah, Tillman Fertitta just bought the Suns last year. They're relocating to Houston. The Sun, Connecticut Sun. All righty. They going back to the Comets. They going to be the Houston Suns.
42:47Chad Johnson:That'd be the Comets. No, I think they going back to the Comets. They done something to be able to get that comment back. And that's going to be dope. I remember as a kid, bro, sitting there watching Cynthia Cooper and them play. Man, they had Coops. They had Tina Thompson.
43:02Shannon Sharpe:Perot. They had Swoops.
43:04Chad Johnson:Yeah. They were loaded. When the WNBA first kicked out, them girls were not playing.
43:11Shannon Sharpe:Well, you ain't going to see what they did. They won four straight. Because they had two of the top five players on one team. And Tina Thompson wasn't no slouch.
43:20Chad Johnson:Oh, no.
43:21Shannon Sharpe:So they might have had three of the top seven, top eight players on one roster. And the only thing that hurt them is that Coop was getting older. But if it -
43:32Chad Johnson:She was cold though. What?
43:33Shannon Sharpe:Man, Coop was like that.
43:35Chad Johnson:Damn, she was cold. She was nice, but I'm talking about putting up numbers.
43:41Shannon Sharpe:Yes.
43:43Chad Johnson:Damn.
43:44Shannon Sharpe:But congratulations. I got to check out a comics game. I'm trying to see who they can play, who I want to see them play. They got to play somebody good. Nah, you know what? When you got stars like Asia and Gray and Young, you don't care who they play. Because the best talent is on the home court. It ain't like you go, you know, you one of them teams and you wait for the Lakers or you wait for somebody good to come play. Hell, we got the best players right here. Because I saw them play a couple years ago. I saw him play Kaitlin Clark.
44:21Chad Johnson:Who are you talking about the Aces?
44:24Shannon Sharpe:Okay, okay, Joe. While there are many moments of frustration for the Indiana Fever and their 184 loss to Portland Fire Saturday night, the one that got the most attention involved the sideline exchange between Kaitlin Clark and Stephanie White. At one point in the game, a fan caught a video of White and Kaitlin arguing on the bench during the break in the action, presumably over defense. Let's look at this video.
45:17I ain't really seen nothing now. I mean, I saw Caitlin Clark be a little demonstrative, you know, outside of that.
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