Nightcap Hour 2: Todd Monken’s TIRED of Deshaun Watson QUESTIONS + Kyler Murray BACK to QB1 + Caleb Williams AVOIDS MAJOR Injury + Chet Holmgren GOES VIRAL for QUOTE + Aaron Rodgers LOOKS OLD + 2027 NFL DRAFT Order After WEEK 2 + Pistons Add WEIGHT CLAUSE to Jalen Duren’s CONTRACT

12:33Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, so they're averaging 35 points a night. Excuse me, a game. So you're probably going to have to score somewhere 24 to 28. They got weapons. They can do it.

12:45Chad Johnson:Panthers defense ain't shut down like that. They defense.

12:48Shannon Sharpe:Nah, nah, nah. Hey. What's up?

12:53Joe Johnson:They got that boy over there, D.Vito. Who? Oh, Joe Horn? J.C. Horn, boy. Hey, Joe, you can strap up, Joe.

13:03Chad Johnson:Hey, I hear all that you talking about Ocho, but if I'm Deshaun, Uncle Ocho, I really want to play well this game here at home. I really want to deliver and let's get a win. Yeah, man. You know that? He ain't got to come out and gloat about it, even if he do come out and play well and they win, but I know that's what he thinking. Yeah, absolutely. I want to put on a hell of a performance in front of these fans.

13:26Joe Johnson:But that confidence, that confidence from week two, that thing going to carry over. Yeah. And you will watch his mannerisms. You watch his mannerisms. You're going to be able to tell whether he's feeling good or not with the decision-making. You can tell when the quarterback is confident, he won't be different. Hey, Joe, he dropped back different. Hello. Hey, it's different. You'll be able to tell. I can't wait.

13:58Shannon Sharpe:Vikings head coach Kevin O 'Connell said Calumura has been cleared, has cleared concussion protocol and will start Sunday versus Tampa. Carson Wentz completed 23 of 39, 276, three touchdowns, no interception across two games. He's 2-0. Okay, guys, is this the right move?

14:19Chad Johnson:This is tricky, bro. This is a tricky one.

14:23Joe Johnson:I told you, hey Joe, didn't we just talk about that who had the hot hand you thought they were gonna stay in?

14:29Chad Johnson:Yeah, who was, yeah. Tell me about - Let's talk about that, right? You're talking about for the Seahawks.

14:35Joe Johnson:Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Drew Locke. Yeah, if Drew had the hot hand, I'd say no, no, no. No, sir. But when Sam Donald come back, that's his job.

14:44Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, Sam Donald is supposed to practice on Wednesday. Yeah, yeah, Kyler Murray. I said, when Kyler Murray come back, even though Brother Wins played good,

14:54Joe Johnson:you know that job going back to Kyler now.

14:57Chad Johnson:Yeah, I don't think two games is enough for you to be like, you know, he lost his job, I think. But if it was like four or five games, Uncle Ocho, and they were like five and O, I think that's a big difference. Yes, sir. But considering the fact that if Kyler's healthy, you want to get him in. You want to give him a shot. You want to give him a shot back. what you thinking you how do you think kyla plays who they hold on who they playing

15:30Joe Johnson:man who minnesota playing uh

15:38uh they play the buccaneers what but hey

15:47Joe Johnson:well the bucks might come out to come out the window over three boy they might what are they playing at in Tampa they jettys don't care whether he playing home or what you hear me well then somebody got to give him the ball Ocho Cali gonna get him the ball

16:06Shannon Sharpe:we know we know walking to him we definitely trying to get him the ball I like that nickname I just think the thing is Ocho is that are we going but here okay Kyle is coming back how long does he stay back

16:26Joe Johnson:that's the problem

16:30Shannon Sharpe:he is a small man playing a giant game that violence is applauded collisions happen

16:47Shannon Sharpe:that is the question he's back how long does he stay because if you look he's never really gotten hurt in the pocket he's already gotten hurt outside the pocket

17:01Joe Johnson:down yep running and stop He got to stop cheating that slide. Don't worry about it. Go down early. Get my opportunity. Mahomes be doing that too. Mahomes don't cheat the slide. He fake like he going out of bounds and turn up on you. Somebody go catch him flush. He might be the one quarterback ain't nobody going to hit.

17:31Chad Johnson:Man, please. They can't wait to tee off on them man. Oh, yeah. But I don't know. For Kyla, I don't know.

17:47Chad Johnson:I like him as a quarterback. I didn't think he was playing a bad game. That game he got hurt. I don't think he was playing a bad game. I thought he did use his legs a few times where he kind of got out of harm's way. And then he had that little incident. But for the most part, I like him as a QB, bro. I hope he can have success. You know, so

18:07Shannon Sharpe:I think that's the biggest thing is that they brought him in. Obviously, they were not pleased with J.J. McCarthy. The only thing I'm surprised is that it kept him on the roster because I knew that walking to him was going to be the second quarterback, and I know they like both, Rosemar. That being said, hey, who knows what's going to happen next year? If Kyler only signed a one-year deal, Wentz is on a one-year deal, are we back to square one? Are they looking to be in the draft and get a quarterback? or are they going to be in position to draft a quarterback?

18:40Shannon Sharpe:I don't know any quarterbacks in the free that's going to be available.

18:49Shannon Sharpe:So, good ones don't come around often. It's hard to find. Every once in a while, you'll get a Sam Darnold. Yeah. You'll stumble on one in free agency. Or you'll tamper, and we'll see how Baker can bounce back because Baker has not played well this year. Turnovers, turnovers, turnovers. But with that being said, it's not often that you're able to get a quarterback in free agency. Because the good ones, they're not letting them go, Ocho. No, absolutely not.

19:20Chad Johnson:That's the foundation piece. So you got to take a gamble. You got to take a gamble through the draft, Ocho, and hopefully you find a diamond in the rough, bro.

19:30Shannon Sharpe:Maybe you take on Mack Jones. Mac Jones, same thing Sam Darnold, came out of San Francisco. Yeah. Went to Kevin O 'Connell. Played well. Can process information really fast. Gets the ball out really fast. He ain't mobile. He ain't mobile. He's not the most athletic. He does have some mobility, even if it's limited. but he gonna get that ball out fast though yeah yeah yeah he's mobility challenged

20:11Shannon Sharpe:no we

20:15Shannon Sharpe:i ain't saying he got one of those blue placards but i'm saying he he don't he's not he's not escaping a whole lot of people yeah yeah

20:27Chad Johnson:Yeah.

20:28Shannon Sharpe:But no, I think the thing is, I mean, because you got to look, the last thing that you want to have happen is jealousy. Hey, bro, I need to go, man. I'm on a Hall of Fame trajectory. And I'm playing with a quarterback that's greatly diminishing my chances. Yeah, you're a bull driving there. Yeah.

20:52Shannon Sharpe:So, and they got some, look, Dante Moore, maybe Trinidad Chambliss. You see Arch Manning. You know, there are some guys that's going to be available in the draft. Are you even going to be in position to get one of these guys? Because you know quarterbacks normally go. They zoom off the board. And sometimes that's really the only position that you overdraft. Because sometimes a guy is supposed to be somewhere between 10 and 15, and you take him in the top five. Because I don't know if and when I'm going to be in position again to get one if I don't get one now.

21:24Chad Johnson:Right. yeah I don't know it should be some pretty good you know quarterbacks coming out this year uh huh yeah

21:40Shannon Sharpe:like I said Trinidad Chambliss the kid out of Oregon Dante Moore obviously Arch Manning is probably coming out I don't know what saying is at Ohio State

21:51Joe Johnson:saying is a senior or a junior

21:54Shannon Sharpe:I don't know that's what I'm saying. I don't know what he is, but is he going to throw his name in the hat?

21:59Joe Johnson:Right.

22:02Shannon Sharpe:Because if he throws his name in the hat, then who knows what was going to potentially happen there. Great news for the Bears. Caleb Williams avoided major hamstring injury and hasn't been ruled out against the Eagles next Monday. A lot has been made about Caleb Williams reaction yesterday. Based on the injury status, was Caleb reaction a bit much? yeah yeah yeah

22:27Joe Johnson:hey he felt that thing pull I'm not sure if you Joe if you ever yeah you know I know hey that thing grabbed what Ocho the man felt like somebody shot him I thought a sniper

22:43Shannon Sharpe:got it I thought it was his Achilles I thought and when they told me his head I said for that reaction I thought he tore it off the bone. Yeah, yeah. Hey, that pool. Oh, Joe, they carted the man off the field. I mean, they carted the man into the locker room. The man had a towel over his head. He didn't know, Unc.

23:07Joe Johnson:You know, that pool, I'm telling you, that pool would scare you. You ever, hey, Joe, after a game, Unc, you ever been there and you move the wrong way, you catch a charley horse?

23:15Chad Johnson:Yeah.

23:16Joe Johnson:All right, now that'll get you right.

23:19Chad Johnson:I know. I done strained that hammock before. I know it ain't no joke. But to say he going to be back next Monday after his reaction? That's all we said. We're glad that it's not as serious as it could have been. But the reaction that he gave, I thought the man done half the season. I think we had everybody to put him on IR and hopefully – And they talking about week to week, that the potential he could play? Hey, week to week, they said day to day. Yeah. Why you going, Johnny?

23:47Shannon Sharpe:You did say we're day to day. You're right.

23:49Joe Johnson:You're right, Ocho. Hey, I don't think he played next week. I think they play it safe, allow their hamstring to rest, you know, the following week, because it's going to be sore. It's going to be sore, especially if you had a pull. And if you are day-to-day, nah. You know, I take caution. Take caution. How do you say it? Caution to the wind?

24:10Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Yeah.

24:12Joe Johnson:You play caution.

24:13Shannon Sharpe:When you throw caution to the wind, you just put them out there.

24:15Joe Johnson:Yeah. Joe, you laughing at me? Yeah. Well, hey, you a special dude. He got a way with words, though. He got a way with words.

24:24Chad Johnson:Hey, he a special character.

24:25Joe Johnson:He a special character. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, you know, I don't use the saying often. I just, I know it. I just don't know how to phrase it the right way. But right, right, right, right.

24:33Shannon Sharpe:You want him to be cautious.

24:35Joe Johnson:Yeah.

24:36Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Yeah. You don't want to throw caution to the wind. Throwing caution to the wind means you going to put him out there. Then he's going, hey, don't even worry about nothing. Whatever happens, happens.

24:43Joe Johnson:Oh, just let it go? OK, you're right, man. Look at Joe. Man, why Joe laughing at you, Ocho? Hey. Hey. You know what? Joe ain't going to understand, man, to just left and right touch him, huh?

25:01Chad Johnson:Nah, see? See? There you go. I've been cool with you. I ain't, you know. I know you've been cool with you. Hey, well, don't start like that. Don't start talking like that. Don't do that. Don't do that.

25:12Joe Johnson:You're saying, I'm lightly pissed off by the picking situation over there with the Cowboys. So you might feel my wrath, boy. So it's best you tread lightly. You hear me? Hey, look. You skating on thin ice, boy.

25:25Chad Johnson:Man, damn that thin ice. And I don't care nothing about you lightly being pissed off. I don't care nothing about that. B-A-A, we're going to get picked straight. We're going to get him right. He's going to get his money on. Yeah, and he better get it this week.

25:38Joe Johnson:He better get what? Not only his money, he better get his balls. He can't get no money because he's out of franchise tax. so they can't do no negotiating, Ocho. He's going to get any side of it if they wanted to. I'm not talking about that. I'm just saying.

25:54Shannon Sharpe:You say the money, you mean the ball, the football.

25:56Chad Johnson:Yes, he needs the football. Hey, hold on, hold on. Ocho, he's going to get his opportunities, okay? It's just like us going out and it's a bunch of girls around. I can't make them talk to you. You know what I mean? I can only put you in the vicinity. I can only put you around it. I can't make them do nothing else. It's just like in football, Dak, like, man, listen, you open, i can throw you the ball here you just got to catch it you hear me hey joe i like i like that

26:21Joe Johnson:scenario but my baby watching so i ain't really gonna say nothing i'm gonna try to use so i'm just gonna go ahead and let that one go but yeah i get the premise i get your general premise yeah yeah i got you i understand okay yeah yeah

26:38Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Good, you know. Pickens to Baltimore.

26:46Chad Johnson:I like that. Nah, nah. You got him and Zay? Yeah. Now Lamar ain't gonna know who to throw to. Come on, see here y 'all go. Here y 'all go. Pick and order. Nah, here you go.

26:57Shannon Sharpe:Nah, it's gonna cost him too much and they gotta do something with Lamar. I already told you where he going. The Raiders? Yes. Okay.

27:08Chad Johnson:Tom Brady ain't having that out there, bro.

27:11Joe Johnson:Man, please. We need the number one. They do. Every team has to have that guy. Hell, he look good in Sandy. He look good with the Chargers too. Ooh, that's a good one, boy. That's a good one.

27:29Chad Johnson:Pick, don't listen to him, pick.

27:33Shannon Sharpe:Nah, you know that man ain't gonna be, he ain't gonna be at Dallas next year.

27:37Chad Johnson:Man, he out there with his brother, CeeDee Lamb. Man, they brother. Man, they man out there. Yeah, he going to get his money, Ocho? I saw my brother every offseason.

27:47Shannon Sharpe:I ain't want to play with him, though. We did not need to be teammates. Yeah. He want his catches knowing that they're going to give him 160 targets. They're not going to get two guys no 160 targets, Ocho.

28:05Joe Johnson:No, sir. He needs his own team I ain't playing second fiddle to nobody

28:12Chad Johnson:But you know the grass Ain't always green on that side He gonna make it green

28:17Shannon Sharpe:Just water and fertilizer Joe What type of grass you got? You got St. Augustine? You got Fescue? You got Centipede? What you got? Crabgrass? I don't even know what you got And I just need to tell you The fertilizer and the food The feed it To get it to green Make it look like Augusta National

28:33Chad Johnson:them now we got that synthetic we got that synthetic grass oh yeah so you got field turf

28:38Shannon Sharpe:nazi there ain't no real grass but listen we keep the maintenance we keep the maintenance low around here okay i don't i'm warning for last fertilizer i'm gonna get that old saint augustine i like that

28:51Chad Johnson:whole thing that thick grass oh yeah a fresh a fresh chop on that grass yeah yeah yeah with it with that line going between the concrete and i'm talking about that thing look that manicure is so when you like, ooh, when you come home, when you put, ooh, ain't nothing like that, is it? No, stop. No, boy. Yeah, I don't, you know, cut a little St. Augustine and a centipede and a fisk. I done cut some of that in my time. You know, I ain't gonna cut no more. Yeah, you done with the grass cutting. Oh, I been done, man, look here. The last grass I cut, I cut my grandmother's grass. This had to be 1990?

29:3391 maybe?

29:35Joe Johnson:I can't pitch you right there with no lawn mower in the wheel.

29:38Shannon Sharpe:I brought my sister because my sister was cutting it. Bought a...

29:42Joe Johnson:John Deere? That's what it had. She had a John Deere. The Ryan Lawn Mower joint? Yeah. Boy, I wish I might get out there with a pushy lawn mower. Man, I wish I might. The hell? I've been done with that. I've been done with that. Hell to the dog. Oh. Hey, I was cutting grass with a pushing lawn board when I was in college, working with a guy down at a smile,

30:07Shannon Sharpe:cutting grass. I'm talking about, they had acres, and I'm pushing that lawn, I'm pushing that pushing more. Ooh.

30:13Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah, man. That thing whip you in some shape, boy. Hey, these young kids, they don't know nothing about that. Okay, Ocho, they don't know nothing about getting out there working, cutting two yards, making$5. They don't know nothing about that.

30:26Joe Johnson:Hey, you don't know about no hard labor, huh, Joe?

30:28Chad Johnson:No, no, hell no. But that$5 went a long way, boy. Long way. And I ain't no no better, Joe. I'm out there with my shirt off, that sun down on my back. I'm talking about looking like a chimney sweeper. Boy. Hey, you don't see nothing but eyes, Joe. You don't see nothing but eyes. I'm talking about the broad daylight. Hey, you done picked the hottest time of the day to get out there and cut the grass. Yeah, I ain't have no choice. That'd be this, hey, it's June to July. I ain't got no choice but to cut it. They're like, man, look at that big old, look at a stick of charcoal with legs.

31:05Chad Johnson:Hey, boy, I know what you mean, boy. Hell to the dog. Hey, hey, hey, and don't let that grass get to the end high, boy, where you have to slow, you have to slowly go through the. No, you got to push it and then come bring it back and push it and bring it back. Oh, hell.

31:23Man, please. You can't go and cut it, and it'll fall out on you. Oh man, oh man. I said, oh no. That's how I was at the house. I tell my brother, hey, you cut the back, I cut the side.

31:42Hell no. It'd take you as long to cut the back, and then cut both the sides. Oh my God. Nah, I said, nah, bro, I'm good, you got that.

32:01Oh, what? But the man, Caleb, Caleb fooled us on Joe. Joe, he fooled us. He got me. He got me good on. Because, hey, it ain't like he hopped. He dropped. He stopped.

32:13Joe Johnson:Yeah, he had to fall. You know, that's that let the body go limp. Because something happened. Something went wrong. I said, oh, my God. I said, oh, what did happen? Yeah, it's a good thing though. That's good news, huh?

32:25Chad Johnson:Look, a little over-exaggeration. Yeah, you see Jackson Dart. Jackson Dart said, nah, I'll get that stinking cart out of here. I ain't getting on no cart.

32:35Joe Johnson:I'm going to walk it off, huh? Yeah. Caleb said, hey, let your boy get on there.

32:43I'm glad. I'm glad. And then what got me, we had the towel on his head. That's what really got me. Yeah. I said, oh, man, damn. Yeah.

32:52Chad Johnson:He be out for a couple.

32:58Shannon Sharpe:Bro, tell it on the mountain. A video is going viral of Chet Holmgren dropping a few interesting bar while shopping for watches with Jerry McClain. Let's take a listen to this. What time is it, Nate?

33:12Chad Johnson:It's got to be a time trip. How do you tell? Am I tripping? In today's age, you don't wear a watch to tell the time. You wear a watch to tell people that your time is valuable. Oh! Who is he? Who is he? That was fun. I was a fortune cookie. That was a little Shakespeare.

33:36Joe Johnson:Yeah, yeah, he watching the show now. We know where that came from.

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36:43Shannon Sharpe:but you gotta have a bill for it.

36:45Joe Johnson:Right.

36:45Shannon Sharpe:And you gotta have a watch-o. So, you know, graduated from Timex to Seiko to a Boulivore to Bovado, until I got some real money, you know, my brother brought me a Roli. And I've been off and running ever since. You know, I ain't got no Richard Mill like old Ocho.

37:06Joe Johnson:Hey, hey, that's, hey, hey, hey, it took me a long time to get that now. Hey, Joe, a whole lot of hard work, man. Yeah. Yeah, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's that? 027? What you got? What's that? 6701.

37:23Shannon Sharpe:6701?

37:23Joe Johnson:Real thin. Real thin. Look like I ain't even wearing nothing. Hey, the rest of them, too, bulky. They are. They're a sports watch. Yeah, my wrist is so small. Uh-huh. Look like I'm wearing a big ass. You know, it's too chunky. Uh-huh.

37:39Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. I see Joe got that rose gold sky dweller.

37:45Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah.

37:45Joe Johnson:You got that rose gold sky, Joe?

37:48Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah, I got that little rose gold sky dweller.

37:51Joe Johnson:Yeah, hey, make sure you wear that thing next time. I see you, you hear me? Yeah. You going to get it up off him, Mocho? You know, I always wanted one of them, boy. Damn, Joe. That man said he wanted one of them, and he said you got one, so he go ahead and take that up off you.

38:07Chad Johnson:Yeah, he going to take mine. Basically, what he's saying, he's going to take mine. He just gonna punk me and take mine, basically, huh? Yes. They gonna have the legs removed, cause you know, you got your wrist sticking here, so you just have the legs. He gonna... Hey, hey, Ocho. Yo. Boy, I tighten you up, partner. You talking about taking my wife here around with you, boy.

38:26Joe Johnson:Hey, I'll tell you one thing. All right, you gonna know what time it is you wear around me, I can tell you that.

38:31Chad Johnson:All right, all right. I'm gonna make sure I got it.

38:33Joe Johnson:Yeah, right. Rose gold too? Yeah. Yeah, I can show, I can show, you know, I get rid of this quote Joe take a listen to this This watch that watch they work. Okay, it's worth what somebody will pay for it The difference is you wear your watch to tell time. Hey, I wore my watch to tell you how bad the difference between the two

39:09Joe Johnson:Yeah. Yeah. Hey, all them little clips be running on TikTok. My kids be sending me stuff. Man, they be, Ocho, they be sending stuff from when we first started. Oh yeah. I mean, I'm like, I'm getting ready to look. I said, man, I said, Ocho said that in year one. I said that in year two. We said that so long ago.

39:28Chad Johnson:Yeah, hey, I can tell you, I caught my daughter watching clips. I'm like, what you watching that for? What we talking about? What we on there talking about? What you watching that for? Man. Yeah.

39:45Shannon Sharpe:An anonymous NFL exec blasted Pittsburgh Steelers Aaron Rodgers for being too old. What did you expect? He's 42. He can't do it anymore. Never thought it would work anyway. Rodgers went 23 of 39, 187, one touchdown week two, and got sacked four times for a combined loss of 43 yards. Mike McCarthy told reporters, we've got to give Aaron better platforms to throw off of. I don't want to dink and dunk all day and play keep away football. There's a place for that. Maybe it's situational, but that's not the philosophy. Yeah.

40:21Joe Johnson:You know who he could have and he wouldn't have no problems? Who there? If he had Devontae Adams over there. Man, please. I'm just telling you. They ran his course, Ocho. No, no, no. No, Devontae Adams. I'm just saying, if he had a Devontae Adams over there.

40:38Shannon Sharpe:Oh, you're saying if he had one. Yeah, if he had someone like that. Let me ask you a question, Ocho. Yeah. And Joe, you can chime in after this. In order to push the ball down the field, what must the quarterback willing to do? Stand there. Yeah, in the pocket. Because ain't no three steps pushing the ball down the field. Now, I need an offensive lineman to give me a time. It's a bad situation. It's the perfect storm. His offensive line isn't good, and he's old.

41:06Chad Johnson:Yeah. He just don't have that pocket mobility like he used to have. No. Joe, he used to be swift in that pocket, man. And it's hard when you can't – when you – hey, when them big linemen's going to bow down on you and you can't get away from them, how are you supposed to sit down on the field and be able to get the ball to some damn body?

41:27Shannon Sharpe:As we start to age, we need things more perfect in order for us to succeed. Whereas before, you'd have never heard Mike McCarthy say this.

41:43He don't push the ball down the field. Them licks hurt. You know what it's like to take licks in year 10? Now imagine trying to tell me you're taking licks in year 22. At 42. Hell, I retired at 35. That's another seven years. Them legs hurt.

42:08Shannon Sharpe:So, me, personally, I don't know what they thought they were going to get him. In his prime, in his absolute apex, he went to one Super Bowl.

42:22Shannon Sharpe:That was in 2011. With 15 years removed, they said, yeah, that's the guy that can get us to the. Really, Ocho? Really, Joe?

42:34Joe Johnson:Hey, ain't no other options out there. I can tell you that.

42:39Chad Johnson:I think they banked on them too. Cause they waited, they waited for Aaron Rodgers. They ain't trying to get no quarterback or nothing. Hey, he keep them in the huckle bucket every offseason. Oh yeah, yeah. So how the hell am I supposed to go get a quarterback on Joe and I don't know if the man gonna, you know what I mean? Hey, Joe, ain't nothing you can get. That's gonna be better than him anyway, at his age. Well, we don't know that. because i i think the mobility part that we take for granted is a big part of the quarterback in today's era you know what i mean unless you drop back in that thing got your hand in 1.5 seconds bro you know you a lot of these cats they scrambling around now using their legs but we talk about the dual quarterback and roger's a little older man he's a little older

43:19Joe Johnson:hey even you got to think too now you know we can't just say being a dual quarterback is going make you efficient because all them dudes ain't good i could i i know two off the top of my head and josh had a lamar jackson that's the boys everybody got like the run it still don't make

43:35Chad Johnson:them a quarterback it don't make them a quarterback but i gotta create indecision okay ocho i gotta keep you in the hucklebook i gotta keep you all balanced hell you don't know when i'm gonna run or when i'm you know i'm saying one of but if you know i'm dropping back to throw every time here Can't you game plan a lot easier for that? Yeah.

43:52Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. They don't have that. I mean, the threat of a running game. Right. I mean, Jalen War. I mean, they got to have a threat of a running game. And plus, it's harder and harder for him to get away. He doesn't have, as Joe said, he doesn't have the phone booth mobility anymore either. Yeah, he used to. So he was, I mean, look, he could get away. He had legs. But he'll tell you, I just don't have the legs. I once did. My legs aren't up under me. at 42?

44:20Joe Johnson:Hey, who are receivers over there in Pittsburgh? I know we got DK.

44:27Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. What's the guy that he's always talking about? He's really good, but DK struggling catching the football. DK trying to body catch five-yard routes, don't you? His confidence is gone. DK got to be able to plug. DK is not a natural catcher of the football. And then when he dropped one early in the game, it gets in his head.

44:47Joe Johnson:Make you mess with him, yeah. Because DK catching, bro, that's a shallow cross.

44:59Michael Pittman Jr., but he's hurt. Yeah, see, that's, Pittman is good.

45:06Joe Johnson:He's hurt right now. DK, he's okay. He might be in the dumps a little bit right now. I'm just thinking about having that receiver. They got Pat Frymouth. Yeah, I'm thinking about, you know, Joe, when I said earlier, having a receiver like Devontae Adams, which obviously it ain't too many of them out there. You know, I don't got a scheme. You open. That's what DK is supposed to be. Who? DK is supposed to be that. He's making$33 million, Ocho. He's not that kind of – oh, he's not. Come on now. What do you mean? He's not – no. He's supposed to be that boy, Ocho. Yes. He is that boy. He's that boy, but he's not that type of receiver.

45:47What type of receiver should I be for$33 million? Well, you're getting$33 million because you're good at what you do at that position. And what is he good at?

46:01Joe Johnson:Fast, explosive, strong, good at contesting.

46:05Shannon Sharpe:He should run track. All that don't mean nothing if you ain't got the ball in your hands. He play offense. fast, explosive, strong that means you need to put the ball in his hands okay, if I throw him the ball he throw it back at me, what have we accomplished? His second down his third down or his fourth down when he did what you doing to him he threw it back at me

46:33Joe Johnson:I just said oh Joe, you watching what I'm watching Joe watching what I'm watching y 'all watching what I'm watching also y 'all see DK and DK dropping rail shots, DK dropping shallow crosses. Even sometimes when guys interfere with you, you being that type of receiver, making the tight money that you make, you've got to make tough, difficult, contested catches. Yeah, I'm with you. Everything ain't gonna be scot-free wide open. You got a yard of separation. Sometimes you're gonna have to catch the 50-50 ball. I'm just...

47:07Chad Johnson:I'm with you. I'm with you. Dang. We're going to get it together. Hey, that's why. He make 33 for a reason, Joe. That's what I'm going to say. That's why he make the big bucks. Yes.

47:18Joe Johnson:It's going to come. It's going to come.

47:22Chad Johnson:When? Huh?

47:24Shannon Sharpe:When? We went through this last year, Ocho.

47:34Joe Johnson:Damn.

47:39Joe Johnson:I'm sitting here taking up for a Steelers player. What does the world come to?

47:46Shannon Sharpe:It's a combination. His guys aren't catching the football. Aaron is not the quarterback he once was. This is not prime Aaron Rodgers. Yes, he can have a game here or there. But as you get older, they come with less frequency. Right. That's the word I want. Less frequency. You can put together a game or two. but then you have that low low show where you go two three four games yeah whereas before Aaron Rodgers every you ain't you want to Aaron Rodgers on your fantasy team

48:20we got guys already trying to make trades with me oh Joe they try to trade with me right now

48:27Joe Johnson:I tell you what they need to have one more bad week this week too then who the Steelers yes that's who y 'all got huh that's who the bangles got yep yep we're gonna hey hey joe we finna we finna walk right through that and tj watt i tell you tj i know you might see this clip boy marius mems you ain't you ain't getting through that boy huh what yeah but hey that's the great wall that's the great wall of china where you is not coming through here

49:04Shannon Sharpe:well i can't wait him in high school they're gonna see they're gonna take turns trying to look yeah what about the other side though oh orlando brown man nothing ain't nobody coming through

49:17Chad Johnson:there huh damn boy you feeling good boy you feeling good about them bangles ain't you It's strapped. Yeah, okay. Back to back weeks.

49:30Shannon Sharpe:Strapped. Here's a way too early 2027 draft order after week two airing tonight. The current top, so if the draft was today, the Houston Texans would pick first. The Jets would pick second based on the pick that they get from Indianapolis for Sauce Gardner. The Titans would be third, Tampa fourth, Atlanta fifth. Washington, sixth. Chargers, seventh. Guppies, also known as the Dolphins. Eight. Cleveland, from the Rams into Miles Garrett. Nine. Baltimore would pick ten.

50:08Chad Johnson:Hey, why Miami so low? Why they ain't high on that list?

50:17Shannon Sharpe:Because the – Houston. Not sure.

50:26Chad Johnson:Maybe schedule.

50:31Shannon Sharpe:What team surprised you on the list? The Houston Texans? That surprised you? They're 0-2? Yes.

50:41Chad Johnson:Yeah, that's the biggest surprise, especially at home, because the first two games were at home, Ocho.

50:45Joe Johnson:Yes. Hey, you got to understand. there's certain teams that you can play whether you're home or away you already know you're gonna lose i mean in what world were the houston texas beating the bangles hold on hold on hold on hold on hey joe listen to me they could have played on mars pluto saturn the results would have still been the same not now if it was anybody else then that there's a conversation to be had

51:13Chad Johnson:Ocho, it ain't been many teams just walk in Houston and get dubs, bro. It normally hadn't been like that. Yeah, yeah, but guess what it is now? What is it? Huh? Who they?

51:33Houston get – so if Houston gets the number one pick, they taking Jeremiah Smith, Ocho? I would hope so. It don't make no sense not to. Huh?

51:42Joe Johnson:If you allow Jeremiah Smith to go number two, I don't care what your needs are. You don't let a player like that get away from you.

51:53Shannon Sharpe:Pair him with Nico.

51:55Chad Johnson:What? Man, stop playing. And that boy, hey, you really think he gonna come in and be a dog like that? What? Cause I thought they were Marvin Harrison too. Okay, I ain't gonna lie. I thought he was -

52:08Joe Johnson:Hey, hey, hey, hey. Whoa, whoa, whoa. There's two different animals.

52:13Shannon Sharpe:two different animals. Let's not pretend like Marvin Harrison Jr. was a slouch. Now, he was a Belinda Cup award winner.

52:18Joe Johnson:Hey, I ain't say all that, but we talk about Jeremiah Smith. We talk about the one who went to Chaminade. We talk about the one from Dade County. The one from Miami, Florida. You saw what Marvin Harrison Jr. was doing, Ocho.

52:28Shannon Sharpe:This is two different animals. All I'm saying is, it's hard to believe that, based on what it was, this guy was the third pick in the draft. Come on, man. Third, and now he looked like he ain't played football ever. I would say, listen, I'm with you when you're right. And I don't understand. I've never, I've never, I've never seen a trajectory be this high. Take this precipitous of a drop. I don't know what, and Ocho, we've talked about it. Yeah. From his rookie year to his next year. You said, I think he looked robotic because he looked like he put on too much weight and he can't handle it. He's a thin frame.

53:06Shannon Sharpe:I mean, he looked like he's a thin frame guy because his dad was really thin frame. Yes. but he's taller than his dad. I don't think weight was the issue. But hey, he thought that this is what he did. He doesn't even look close to anything like the third pick of the draft. If I took that Harrison Jr. off the back of his jersey, he was like, this guy's a low-round draft pick.

53:33Chad Johnson:Mm. Mm.

53:37Shannon Sharpe:I don't know. I haven't seen anything like this. I haven't. Right.

53:42Joe Johnson:I don't know. I don't have an answer for that. I wish there's – I don't know. What's being put on film is –

53:57Shannon Sharpe:Who's taking Chambliss? Who's taking Arch? Dante Moore. Who you got? I like Chambliss. The Jets taking a quarterback, Ocho? Yeah. Yeah.

54:09Joe Johnson:absolutely and whoever they do pick I hope they get it right this time because if you think about it everybody need to trade up Tampa don't take it they're not taking one Atlanta could potentially take a quarterback

54:25Chad Johnson:hmm they may I think they might Atlanta might even move up to the number one spot to make sure they get their guy that's the only way you can be certain you're going to get your guy

54:35Joe Johnson:shoot their guy might be in Cleveland Oh, it's your door. Yeah, I'm just, I'm just, hey, listen, I'm just throwing things out there, man. Just, you know, my mind running, you know.

54:46Chad Johnson:Yeah, I got you. I'm with you when you're right now.

54:49Joe Johnson:Hey, listen, you said you want to push the ball down the field, huh? Yeah.

54:52Chad Johnson:Yeah, I got somebody for you, too. Hey, hey, hey, if that wasn't happening, Ocho, it'd flip this city upside down.

55:02Joe Johnson:Well, who are you telling? You ain't got to tell me twice. and

55:09Shannon Sharpe:You ain't got to tell me twice.

55:38Shannon Sharpe:believes he is a higher tier than the Thompson twin. Detroit's inking Thompson to a five-year 155 deal, which begins paying him an average of$31 million, added a layer to Darren's contract negotiation. Added to Thompson twin brother, Amon, who agreed to a five-year$208 million contract to stay with the Houston Rockets earlier this month. While Amon Thompson was a defensive player of the year finalist, neither Thompson twin earned an all-star or an all-NBA selection last season. while Duren got the nod for both. For Duren, quite clear, he sees his value at a higher tier than both the Twins, according to the last regular season accolades.

56:19Shannon Sharpe:What I don't – go ahead, Joe. This is you. Go ahead.

56:23Chad Johnson:Hey. Timing is everything, Ocho. Yeah. Considering the fact that that young man, I think he was a third-team All-NBA, and he was an All-Star this year. Right. Excuse me. he wants to be compensated for that. But I'm going to tell you something. $200 million, he should have been signing that damn contract. Whoa, Joe, that's under my value based on what I've done, my accolades. But I guarantee you, I agree with Joe. I guarantee you around the league, they hold Thompson.

56:57Shannon Sharpe:Execs think Thompson Twins have a higher value or higher ceiling than Jalen Durant.

57:02Chad Johnson:Yeah, because the Thompson Twins can affect the game in more ways. You know what I mean? More ways than not. They can handle the ball. They can pick up full court. They can score the ball. They can rebound the ball. They're probably your best defenders on your team. As to Jalen Duren, yeah, he put up 20-10 subpar playoff. That's the only thing that's really got him in this position to where he can't get the money that he wants. Because if he played like he played the regular season, they done gave it to him. If they even just make it to the Eastern Conference Finals, I think they don't have no problem in paying him.

57:37Chad Johnson:But it's just hard, bro. It's hard to pay a cat that type of money who has to depend on another player to make him better. Period. But at that level, Ocho and Joe, I mean, really? $200 million or$220 million? Tell me what can you do with$220 million that you can't do with$200 million, Ocho?

57:59Joe Johnson:Hey, boy, listen, I'm with you when you're right. but hey boy man listen go look at Nerland Noel go look at Victor Oladipo look at all those guys that had 100 million 120 million and say no that's not enough look at Dennis Schroeder had 84 million now he's playing for 3 to 5 million I'm not worried about I ain't worried about what the Thompson twins That ain't got nothing to do with me. Let me get that 200. Cause I promise you, if you what you think you are, you'll be back to the table in three years anyway. Yeah, he's still young bro.

58:43Chad Johnson:What is he 20, 22, 21, 22? He probably about 23. He probably about 23, but hell, in four years. That's it? In four years, Ocho, you back up. Hold on.

58:57Joe Johnson:That young bull only 23, 22 boy?

58:59Chad Johnson:I think you're only like 23, 24. Fuck yeah, at least. If anything, listen, if this is my first - He 22. Damn. How the hell? What? Hey, hold on. How is he up already? What'd you mean? He failed before a rookie extension. Yeah, man, 22. Damn. Hey, y 'all - He won't be 23 until November. Damn. so he can be back at the table at 26 and get a 400 million dollar deal if you are what you think

59:32Joe Johnson:you are hey listen i i am what i think i am but you're gonna do me right this on this first new this first new deal though oh roll the dice hey give me give me give me hey give me 220. guess what guess what ocho even if he rolls the dice he goes sign somewhere else he's still gonna get less than what Detroit offered him. Now what?

59:55You signed a one-year deal and then signed the offer elsewhere, that's still less than the$200 that you could have got staying right here.

1:00:03Chad Johnson:Hey, look, and I'm for guys getting their money, Ocho. I want him to get as much as he can, but I don't know who his aging is. But$200 for his caliber, I get it. The all-NBA selection, the all-star selection, he's trying to maximize the money that he can make right now. He probably thinking, hell, I don't know what's going to happen three, four years down the line. I don't know. Let me get as much as I can get right now. So I understand. 200, man?

1:00:30Shannon Sharpe:I say this all the time. I just need somebody to tell me, what can you do with 220 that you can't do with 200?

1:00:37Chad Johnson:Oh, God, I'd have been in already signed. Hell, we wouldn't even be talking about this, Ocho. Hey, at 22, Joseph, they're going to see you again at what, another three? See you at 26. Hey, what I tell you about the appetizers, the full course meals, you can go back for another full course meal before you go to dessert. You hear me? Yes, sir. Man, what? Yeah, because after three years, he'd be back at the table. So by the time he turned 25 and a half, 26 on shows, he'd be right back at the table for a potential$400 million deal. Jesus. Hold on.

1:01:13Joe Johnson:He's not an offensive juggernaut like that to get a$400 million deal. It don't need to be.

1:01:19Shannon Sharpe:He's basing it on, I was an all-NBA selection. I made the all-star. Yeah.

1:01:26Chad Johnson:And he can be back in this position considering the fact that they got this game threshold that you don't meet. If you don't meet those requirements, Uncle Ocho, he's a guy who's very durable. He don't miss a lot of games. He's a blue-collar worker, hard worker. So he'll always be in situations like this to where he could potentially be an all-NBA player every year. You know what I mean? He just got to continue to keep working hard. Outside of that, he'd be all right.

1:01:55Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I don't get his thinking. I don't get it. I just don't base what I do because I look at it like this. I got a contract. Somebody, when I was playing, hey, I made good money. I ain't looking at what somebody else got. Hello. No. Because I'm like, what can I do with 8 million that I can only do with 10? Right. Because I guarantee you, if you blow eight, you're going to blow 10 too. Yeah. It was just going to take you a couple of months longer. But you're going to go through it. Yeah. That's just how I see it. I think the Thompson twins, like you said, Joe, They can pick up elite defenders.

1:02:42Shannon Sharpe:Hey, they just need to, hey, just continue to try to work. I'm just working on the jump shot. I'm in the gym. That's where I'm at right now.

1:02:49Chad Johnson:Got to be in the gym because at that position, Uncan Ocho, those are the money makers, bro. The small forwards, the two guards, even some of the powerful, those guys scored a ball at a high rate. Yep. So if you like Detroit and you got an OG, a Bridges, a Josh Hart, All these guys who can play multiple positions, who can guard multiple positions, and help you in many, many different facets of winning games. Meaning wearing down top guys throughout 48 minute ball game, picking up full court. Hell, by the time we get mid third quarter, fourth quarter, boy them legs gone. You know what I mean? So I think guys like that definitely has value.

1:03:28Chad Johnson:So I was happy to see the Thompson Twins, man, get their money, bro. You just gotta work on that damn jump shot now. Now you got it because there ain't going to be no excuses when that swing, swing come and you shoot that thing off the side of the backboard. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Nah. I don't pocket watch.

1:03:43Shannon Sharpe:You do realize like if analysts, what we, Ocho and I do, we have an opinion. We give you the numbers. Okay. He's making this. If this was somebody else in our division, if we looking at Pat McAfee, we looking at Stephen A. We looking at somebody else, Joe Rogan, that's pocket watching. Doing what we do, we're not, that's what we're supposed to do. Right.

1:04:02Chad Johnson:Right. You're talking about, oh, his value. Your value is determined by someone else. He can't pay himself 220. He can't pay himself 240. Value is determined by someone else. You can say all you want to. My house is worth$10 billion. Unless somebody is willing to pay you for that, it's not that valuable. So this notion, when everybody says, I know my value, what is somebody willing to pay you for it? I had a home in Baltimore. It was on the golf course, Ojo. I got it. It's only two. The house was probably five years old. I listed it for this. I got$20 ,000 over what I was asking for. You know why?

1:04:47Because it was more valuable than what I listed it for, and I had suitors. Seven people. The day she put it on the market, seven people. I probably could have got 30 hello you mean to tell me I can make X amount of dollars and I've only been here two years and I can make 30, 40 ,000 dollars more than what I paid for it I'm leaving regardless that's not going to be my permanent home where I saw that where I saw that I got rattled up out of there

1:05:25Chad Johnson:Hey, hey, hello. Speaking of that, when I was playing in Phoenix 2004, we was in the playoffs. I put my house up for sale right before the playoffs, Uncle Ocho, because I knew Phoenix wasn't going to resign me. They weren't going to bring me back no way. So I'm like, yeah, let me go and get a jump on it. My house sold in like two weeks, bro. We were still playing in the playoffs. We went to the Western Conference Final. I had to ask for an extension just to stay in the crib, you know what I mean? Cause they like, I'm like, look, bro, I ain't think we're gonna sell that fast, that quick. Yeah. Gone.

1:06:02Chad Johnson:Man, look here. I put that house on the market cause the season ended. I put the house on the market on a Monday. That, hey, Friday, I was up out of that joke. That fast? That fast. And I got 20 ,000 over what I was asking. Yeah.

1:06:22Shannon Sharpe:And it's crazy. That's value. I said, hey, now guess what? Do I let it sit on the market for six months or do I drop the price? Because whoever is buying it is going to determine the value of it. You can set it up there all you want to. Yeah. You can do all that you want to. But if somebody ain't going to win it, you know why iPhone is so valuable? Because we pay for them. Yeah. That's why iPhones are valuable. That's why cars are valuable. That's why the price of gas is valuable. Because guess what? Planes, because they know you got to fly. They know you got to drive your ass to work. What you going to do?

1:07:02Not go to work? Not fly when you have to? That's how value is determined. Not by you. That's how you corner the market.

1:07:16Now it's time for our final segment of the evening. it's time for Q and A. Hey, Uncle Joe, I had to show my... What?

1:07:27Joe Johnson:My game room ready. I just got to put my plaques and my walls up real quick.

1:07:35Chad Johnson:Okay.

1:07:37Joe Johnson:See, look. You see it? See what? You don't see my game room right there? Oh, that's the virtual tour?

1:07:44Chad Johnson:No, that ain't virtual.

1:07:45Joe Johnson:That's the real one.

1:07:47Chad Johnson:I can't see. I can see it. Hey boy, they got you right, boy.

1:07:52Joe Johnson:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Joe. Yeah. I'm gonna give y 'all boys a tour. When I get home, I get home Wednesday. I'm doing the show Wednesday. All I gotta do is add the plaques and the wards. On the back, my nightcap sign now, it's gonna be, I can turn it right, I can dim it. Oh, okay. I ain't gonna have no pie.

1:08:10Chad Johnson:You got shooting stars coming through there? I got, yeah, I got the stars on the ceiling, Joe. I seen it, I seen it, damn. I ain't playing, Joe.

1:08:19Joe Johnson:What? Let me see. Hey, Chad ain't going to be able to make fun of me no more.

1:08:26Joe Johnson:I got the stars on the ceiling, Joe, and that thing, bro.

1:08:29Chad Johnson:Yeah, that thing a little hard, bro.

1:08:31Joe Johnson:Yeah, yeah. Wait till we got to put a little decoration and stuff.

1:08:36Shannon Sharpe:A little finishing touches on it, huh?

1:08:37Joe Johnson:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That thing will look crazy, bro.

1:08:42Shannon Sharpe:Hold on, I'm trying to see this thing. The more time goes on, the more I think the Giants definitely sacrifice something for those 0-7 and 11 rings. Nothing but sadness for them fans since. Damn.

1:08:58Chad Johnson:It's been unfortunate for them, bro.

1:09:05They beat 7-10.

1:09:13Shannon Sharpe:John Sarray looking like Savannah State. There you go. There you go.

1:09:22Shannon Sharpe:Best show out there. All shade to that other show. Told no lies about Ocho NFL Arnold Vegas. Still love him. Hope he can run it back and take a pick.

1:09:37Shannon Sharpe:Ocho and still F.M. King Frico. I mean, ISO. Quick shout out to me, my big 38. My boo super sport. Me love. Love you, Paige. And my Rams handle business. I'm my birthday famous. Check. Earth, Wind, and Fire in September. Love this show. Hey, appreciate that, bro. Hey, thank you, man, for tuning in. Go ahead. To the big 3-0. Paige, you made it special for him. And he appreciates that. And he wanted you to know. But happy birthday, bro. Could Cam Newton lead the Giants team? y 'all was giving Aaron Donald a time Cam hadn't played in how many years when the last time Cam played Ocho 21 been about 4-5 years gotta be because I think in Cam eligible for the Hall of Fame so it's gotta be at least 5 years yeah but hell Phillip Rivers did it how long was it but here's the thing though you can do that if you're not relying on athletic ability Phillip Rivers ain't never moved.

1:10:43Shannon Sharpe:It's different when you're reliant on your ability, your athletic ability, your mobility.

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1:13:57Shannon Sharpe:or wherever you get your podcasts. The 6 '6", when he came back. Damn. So he ain't reliant on that. That's why a lot of times, you see they was looking at Drew Brees. Because why were they looking at Drew Brees? Because he wasn't reliant on athletic ability. Tom Brady could play later in his career because he never relied on athletic ability. It's when you're reliant on that, it gets harder for you to play as you get older.

1:14:30Shannon Sharpe:it was the next Thursday night versus Detroit. He went crazy on Thanksgiving versus Casey. Who went crazy?

1:14:44I don't know.

1:14:45Shannon Sharpe:Need more context, bro. I'm sorry. Nightcap, what's up? Look, check this out. We're going to sweep the Rams. We're going to sweep the cars, and I'm going to try to split with the Hawks. Faithful.

1:14:57Shannon Sharpe:He said the Rams going to sweep the cards. Pain definitely ain't looking good for him.

1:15:07Shannon Sharpe:Sweep the Niners.

1:15:13Shannon Sharpe:Fellas, please give me some exercise other than kickbacks that I can tighten up my arms. I would like results in six months. What? Tighten up your arms? Yeah. Oh, man. Curls. singles, huh? Hammer curls, kickbacks, tricep push downs. Cable. That's for your chest.

1:15:38Chad Johnson:Hey, hey, hey bro, just do you some push ups, man. Get your hands. Man, you believe in them damn push ups. You believe in push ups and everything. Them push ups, it'll strengthen your wrists, your arms, your biceps, your triceps, your back, your chest. Push ups, man, push ups. Yeah, how you looking like me? Get you in 100 push-ups a day, man. Do increment. Hell, if you don't have to do increments of 10, do that, man. Get you in 100 a day, bro. They'll keep you right. I promise you.

1:16:08Shannon Sharpe:What's up, Nightcap? Just like Unk, I'm switching sides. The back half is going to be brutal, even if dark comes back. Let's go, Bengals. Ocho, hopefully this doesn't make me no bad brother. Love y 'all. That man just jumping squat.

1:16:25Joe Johnson:He jump ship?

1:16:27Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, he a Giants fan. He say he root for the Bengals now. And he taking that bad juju over there with you, man. Ain't no bad juju. Ain't no bad juju

1:16:36Chad Johnson:over here, man. Oh, okay.

1:16:39Shannon Sharpe:You're lucky with him. James Avery says, what's good, Nightcap? Me and my wife are looking to go to Warwick in the Bahamas next April for my 40th birthday. Any suggestions on things to do while I'm there. Hook your boy up with some Ro. Ocho's been to the Bahamas. Maybe Joe has been to the Bahamas. I've never been to the Bahamas. I can't give you an info.

1:17:02Joe Johnson:I'm in the Bahamas every New Year's, obviously. Ocho, you ain't never been to the Bahamas?

1:17:09Shannon Sharpe:I've never been to the Bahamas.

1:17:10Joe Johnson:No. But listen, when you go to the Bahamas, depending on where you stand, where you stand at Atlantis, Bahama Mar, I'm not sure where you stay, but I have someone who can be a tour guide for you. If you seriously going, I can give you his number, so you won't need a taxi or a cab like that. He's my personal driver when I do go. But if you really go and let me know, send me a DM on Instagrams and I hook you up. He from there, Ojo? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. He been all his life. Been all his life.

1:17:42Chad Johnson:Oh, okay.

1:17:43Joe Johnson:Every New Year's and Boxing Day, I go for Junkanoo. I've been doing that since I was a little shorty. All right.

1:17:52Shannon Sharpe:T-Mac said MVP over rings, but we got kids out here, fam. Teach them about winning.

1:18:03MVP over rings? What you thinking, Joe?

1:18:06Chad Johnson:Yeah, I think the youth, when we talk about the kids, you know, you want to bring them up in the atmosphere and teach them the team game, teach them how to be a team player, Uncle Ocho. I think the rare ones, they would naturally kind of come out, and you would kind of be able to see that. Because I feel like when you watch kids play, bro, if some of them got stuff that they do that it's hard to even teach, they naturally just pick it up. You feel what I'm saying? And I think if you spend a lot of time with them, hey, you can help them train in the right direction. But I don't know what they got going, bro.

1:18:48Shannon Sharpe:What's up fellas? Prime AB versus 09 Revis. Who wins that matchup Ocho? Oh shoot.

1:19:04Joe Johnson:Man Revis probably boy. Honestly.

1:19:08Shannon Sharpe:You like that 20? You like that 09 season Revis put in a mean demonstration? A mean demonstration boy.

1:19:19Shannon Sharpe:Shout out to Ocho. My boy talked to Sosa and asked him if he were cool to meet, and he was cool. I tapped him on the side, and he looked back and gave me a hug. Been waiting to meet him since I was 12. I turned 37 yesterday.

1:19:33Chad Johnson:Damn.

1:19:34Shannon Sharpe:Salute, my boy. Salute, salute.

1:19:40Shannon Sharpe:Unc, I was at the Thugger concert last night, but don't bring up the Ravens getting cheated when y 'all ain't say nothing Nathaniel. about the Saints getting cheesed over the Jerry Goff fumble. All love. I absolutely did. They got hold. That was a sack. That was a fumble. You can't talk about what somebody's intent was. What actually happened? Somebody he intended to throw the ball. When they throw the ball back, it was like that.

1:20:10Intent.

1:20:10Shannon Sharpe:Nah, a referee is not supposed to put intent in anything. What did or didn't happen? Hey, Nightcap fam, Unc, Ocho, Iso, can y 'all help me wish my wife, my baby girl, Alexandra, a big happy birthday? Make it loud because she be telling me all the time to put the volume down. All right. Alexandria, happy birthday. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. And all love. Thank you for allowing them to watch. And you know what? Do you? Sit down and watch it with you.

1:20:42Joe Johnson:Yeah. Happy birthday, dear Alexandria. Happy birthday to you.

1:20:50Shannon Sharpe:Thank you. Ocho, relax. If you pay attention, GP is getting a constant double team. If they don't do that, CD gonna eat. Even Dak said post-game press, and despite CD nine targets, GP had eight.

1:21:09Chad Johnson:What are you talking about? Hey, man.

1:21:11Shannon Sharpe:He said pickets.

1:21:13Chad Johnson:Yeah, I'm talking about Ocho. What Ocho talking about? what i'm saying like the man ain't getting no targets or nothing hey hey hey joe i ain't trying

1:21:19Joe Johnson:to hear all that the man's been you fat they spin back i want i want i want to see gp with his numbers you hear me huh that's it and i'll tell you one thing if you don't have his numbers week three i'm gonna come on here and i'm gonna go slap off nobody can't nobody gonna slap out if we get

1:21:34Chad Johnson:the win and we don't care nothing about that we're trying to get the win bro he gonna get his number

1:21:40Joe Johnson:Yeah, well, you could have won without him, man. That's the case. Shoot. Screaming, state pick. You want pick to stay. You want pick to stay. Now you got all these other excuses when he ain't getting his numbers. Shit, you should have let him go.

1:21:53Chad Johnson:I know.

1:21:56Shannon Sharpe:Grateful Marcus, Big 3, Ocho, touchdown celebration edition. Start, bench, cut. The future Hall of Fame jacket, the Riverdance, the cameraman. What you got? What you got, Ocho? Real start, bench, cut. Oh, the Hall of Fame is first, most definitely. Okay, you starting the Hall of Fame, Jackie. Huh? Which one you benching?

1:22:17Joe Johnson:Oh, the cameraman. Putting the cameraman on my homeboys in the crowd. Boy, that's iconic, right? Right. Riverdans got to go. Yeah, the Riverdans got to go. And it's one that's even better than all them, Uncle Joe. What's that? Man, Joe, we played the Packers with Charles Wilson and them in Green Bay. Yeah. And you know all the fans in the Green Bay section, the north and south end zone, they have all the tickets because it's their stadium boy i bought tickets from some of the fans that are green bay fans and put bangle fans in the front row and i was hoping that i had no choice i had to score on that end i lambo leap to uh the bangles fans in lambo stadium

1:22:59Shannon Sharpe:that i put there i had to buy the seats ain't a joe i've done some crazy stuff joe

1:23:07Joe Johnson:I'm talking about crazy. I literally put Bengal fans there just so I could Lambo leap to them.

1:23:16Shannon Sharpe:Big three, what's good? Which number one receiver y 'all starting on your team? Chase, Puka, JSM, Lamb, Jetta. Ochoa, safe travels to Dallas. 45 is a straight shot, and Dallas traffic is bad with expensive tolls.

1:23:29Joe Johnson:Hold on, I'm leaving at 5 a.m. There shouldn't be no traffic. When we get off, it's only 1230 here. I'm going to give me about four, five hours. Yeah. I'm going up at five. I'm hoping it's a two-hour, no, three-hour drive. I should be here by 8 o 'clock. Starting. Who you starting, Joe?

1:23:51Shannon Sharpe:Chase, Puka, Lamb, Jetta. JSN. Who I'm starting? Yeah, you got to get one. I'm going to CD, bro.

1:24:05Chad Johnson:Ocho, you going Chase? Hold on, hold on, hold on. What you give me that what for? You start who? I'm going to start CeeDee Lamb.

1:24:14Joe Johnson:They gave you a multiple choice question on who you would start as a receiver with the names you got. CeeDee, Chase, JSN, and Jettles.

1:24:30And I got Lamb.

1:24:33Joe Johnson:Silence of the Lambs. Nigga restarted Chase. What you talking about?

1:24:38Shannon Sharpe:I'm taking JSN.

1:24:42Matter of fact, you know, you can't go wrong. I definitely think it's going to be out of those two. Yeah, you can't go wrong.

1:24:50Shannon Sharpe:But Joe like them Cowboys, so.

1:24:52Chad Johnson:What you mean?

1:24:59Yeah.

1:25:00Shannon Sharpe:JSN or Chase did the right answer. Heads up, Ocho. coming down I-45 about an hour outside of Dallas all the way to I-20. State troopers and local PD on both sides waiting. Watch your speed.

1:25:11Joe Johnson:Hey, hold on, hold on. I don't speed, brother. I don't speed. You got to remember, I don't go over 60 miles an hour. On the freeway? Yeah, Joe. Everybody flying past me. I ain't trying to get nowhere fast because, for one, I leave where I got to go early. If I got to be there at 3 o 'clock, Joe, I leave the house at 2. I don't care if I'm 10 minutes away. I like to sit there. Joe, I be cruising, Joe. Old school music. I got my stick in my hand.

1:25:39Chad Johnson:Yeah.

1:25:40Joe Johnson:Joe, I be cruising, Joe. Where you at?

1:25:41Chad Johnson:You in the middle lane? You in the middle lane? God, no you ain't. In the middle lane. I don't want to hear no honking. Don't honk me.

1:25:48Joe Johnson:Don't honk me. Get in the fast lane, which is the far left. You know? Hey, Joe, I'm going over 60.

1:25:55Chad Johnson:Okay, all right.

1:25:57Shannon Sharpe:What's up? So if Libby and Spanky call from jail needing bail, what could they have done, hypothetically? My sister, speeding. Absolutely. She got a heavy foot? Do she? She gonna be at least 30 miles, at least 20 to 30 miles an hour over the limit. She drive that fast, huh? Yep.

1:26:20Joe Johnson:You gotta get her a Hellcat. No. Little track Hulk. You see Libby in that track Hulk way.

1:26:29Shannon Sharpe:The key of fine for Libby.

1:26:35Shannon Sharpe:What was Spanky up doing? Probably littering. Because he eating donuts in Canyon, throwing the raffles out on the road.

1:26:51Hey, Joe, remember the close game shootout

1:26:54Shannon Sharpe:you and LeBron had on his birthday? Tell us about that game.

1:26:57Chad Johnson:Oh, it was in Cleveland. I never forget. You know, back then, Ocho, this was before he went to Miami. This was before he went to Miami. So, you know, Brian, he got handshakes with every dude on the team. Not only that, they over there taking pitches before the game. This in Cleveland, because he got a big party set up for after the game. And I know it. Boy, we trying to spoil it. We trying to spoil it. Hell, we was up by like, we probably I was up by like 15 on them boys in the fourth quarter. Damn, Joe. Y 'all, I know y 'all didn't let him come back, Joe. Man, that boy, Bron, he finished with like 47.

1:27:36Chad Johnson:Damn!

1:27:37Joe Johnson:Damn, Joe, y 'all ain't play no defense?

1:27:40Chad Johnson:Oh, Joe, the boy just went, the boy lost it, okay? Hey, hey, hey, hey, you know how, you know how you may have plans at the game and you got a big extravaganza set up and you don't want to go there with no L. You know what I mean? it's his birthday it's his birthday boy that four quarter that boy turned in i don't know who he turned into you hear me he finished about 47 on those man but it was a good game though it was a good game good game ocho pickers has 14 targets through two games compared to jamar chase having

1:28:13Shannon Sharpe:13. seems like he's getting more than enough opportunities to me hello hey what i need y 'all

1:28:19Chad Johnson:to do is stop reading off these stat lines to me well they they spin facts they spin facts they gotta spit facts because you sitting here acting like the man don't get no target he getting two targets a game or something here the man getting target hey hey hey chat and cowboy fans don't

1:28:34Joe Johnson:piss me off don't we want you pissed off don't piss me off because i'd be i'd be to dallas at eight o 'clock in the morning if we go with any y 'all want to talk about this debate in public I'd be at Starbucks downtown at 830.

1:28:47Chad Johnson:Hey, you might want to chill out, boy. Them folks pull up on you. I would hope so.

1:28:52Joe Johnson:I hope they're crazy, too, because I'm crazy, too.

1:28:55Chad Johnson:Okay.

1:28:56Joe Johnson:All right.

1:28:56Chad Johnson:Yeah. I got a few hitters in Dallas. Yeah. I got a few hitters in Dallas, too.

1:29:04Shannon Sharpe:If you could watch any game between any two NFL or NBA teams in history, which teams would you choose, and what do you think the outcome would be?

1:29:15Chad Johnson:Hold on, I'm sorry. It kind of cut out a little bit. Say it again. If what?

1:29:18Shannon Sharpe:If you could choose to watch any game between two NFL teams and two NBA teams in history, which teams would you choose?

1:29:27Chad Johnson:Oh, I can go first. It ain't going to take me long. That damn 2 ,000 Lakers playing against the 96 Bulls. Yeah, I want to see that. I want to see that. Boy, I pay big money to see that.

1:29:47I like it.

1:29:55Damn.

1:30:00Shannon Sharpe:I think for me,

1:30:06Shannon Sharpe:I want to see, you know what I want to see? I want to see the 2017

1:30:13Shannon Sharpe:Warriors against the 2013 Lakers. I mean, not Lakers. Heat. Ooh, that's a good one, huh? So that's KD, KD, Steph, and Klay against Chris Bosh, LeBron, and D-Wade. That's a series right there, huh? That'd be a good one. Hold on. A series, Joe, but who's going to win it?

1:30:41Shannon Sharpe:I might have to take the 2012 12 or 13 Heat versus 2017 Warriors

1:30:47Chad Johnson:it's going to be hard to beat that Heat team, Ocho

1:30:51Joe Johnson:yeah, oh so, okay, okay

1:30:52Chad Johnson:I mean it's going to be

1:30:56Joe Johnson:even though they got them boys over there shooting from outside like that

1:31:02Chad Johnson:yeah man hell but Bron D-Wade and Chris Bosh and you know They got some hard working dudes around them, some shooters. And it was hard beating that team, bro. Joe, Clay, KD, and Steph? They high power, Ocho. They had never been there.

1:31:23Shannon Sharpe:Oh, you talking about, oh yeah, no, no. But Bron, you know, Bron was on one. Yeah.

1:31:30Chad Johnson:Yeah, you know what? He always accepted the challenge, bro. Anytime there was a challenge, he always stood there and accepted it. and hell he passed it if you ask me.

1:31:44Shannon Sharpe:Football, Ocho, who you got? What two teams you want to see link up?

1:31:49Joe Johnson:Oh, that's a good one.

1:31:54Joe Johnson:You know what? What? I'm not sure. What year was it? The greatest show on turf. Marshall Falk, Oz Hakeem, Isaac, Torrey Holt. What year was that?

1:32:04Chad Johnson:Two.

1:32:06Joe Johnson:One. Give me that 2001 St. Louis Rams team.

1:32:15Shannon Sharpe:Might have been 99. 99 is when they won it. They beat Tennessee.

1:32:19Joe Johnson:Hold on. I'm trying to think. I'm trying to think some of the better defenses.

1:32:24Shannon Sharpe:2000 Ravens. The O2 Bucks. The 20. The 20.

1:32:29Joe Johnson:No, matter of fact.

1:32:30Shannon Sharpe:2013.

1:32:31Joe Johnson:Legion of Boom. Legion of Boom. I would like to see that. That Legion of Boom against that 99, or was it 98, 99? I would like to see that. Richard Sherman, Cam Chancellor. Earl Thomas. Earl Thomas. I want to see how they stop Isaac Bruce, Oz Akeem, and Torrey Holt. And Marshall. And then you got to deal with Marshall Falk coming out of that backfield.

1:33:01I wish there was a way, you know, AI is out here right now.

1:33:05Joe Johnson:I wish AI would get so advanced where what we just talked about, it can actually play out.

1:33:11Chad Johnson:It is. In real format. It's going to get there, Ojo. 2 ,000 Ravens, 07 pats.

1:33:20Chad Johnson:That undefeated 07 pats, that loss. Yep.

1:33:24Joe Johnson:Yep. That was Moss 23 touchdowns, wasn't it? But, boy, if Brady thought he took a beating with them Giants. what what was gonna happen

1:33:43he got long you said 2000 Ravens yep good luck with that

1:33:51Joe Johnson:that boy was hell boy that

1:33:56Shannon Sharpe:completes this episode of Nightcap as you watch the St. Louis Rams do some kind of job on the Giants as they win this ball game by the score of 28-6. Matthew Stafford and Devontae Adams went bonkers. Eight-foot buck, 95, two touchdowns, and Matthew Stafford had over 320 yards and four touchdowns. Y 'all know who I am. I'm your favorite of my partner and co-host. That's Liberty City's own. The bingo, ring of fame, artery. That is Chad Ochocinco Johnson. The third member of the Big Three, the University of Arkansas alum, the seven-time NBA All-Star at the All-NBA Selection, Y 'all know him, the smooth shooting two guard, Mr.

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