In short
Sports talk focused on New York Jets quarterback criticism and ownership blame, plus NBA topics including Michael Jordan’s stance on load management, a gambling/rigging investigation involving NBA figures, and Anthony Davis’ Achilles injury.
Guests (hosts/participants)
“Unc” and “Ocho” (recurring co-hosts). Guest voices include former Jets quarterback Jordan Travis (discusses Woody Johnson comments) and references to Michael Jordan (via discussion of his remarks). No other named guests appear as interview subjects in the transcript.
Guest backgrounds
Jordan Travis is a former Jets quarterback. Unc and Ocho are long-running sports commentators with basketball and football experience, using personal injury anecdotes and NBA comparisons.
Key claims
- Woody Johnson’s public comments about Justin Fields reflect poorly on Jets ownership and may affect Fields’ opportunity.
- Jets failures at QB are tied to management/ownership, not just on-field performance.
- Michael Jordan argues players should not miss games for rest; he cites pushing through illness in the 1997 Finals.
- Gambling/rigging allegations lead to suspensions/escrow or pay loss for Terry Rozier and Chauncey Billups.
- Anthony Davis exited a game after Achilles tendinitis/tendinopathy concerns.
Notable examples
- Jordan Travis recalls Johnson asking about getting healthy after Travis’ leg injury.
- Jordan’s 1997 NBA Finals Game 5 vs. Utah Jazz.
- Comparisons to NBA situations (e.g., Shea/Clippers trade logic, Daniel Jones basketball analogies).
- Davis vs. Pacers: limped immediately, went to locker room, did not return.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOJets Ownership and Quarterback Controversy
2:00 to 3:10
Discussion on Woody Johnson's comments about Jets quarterbacks and team management.
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Jets Ownership and Quarterback Controversy
3:24 to 3:34
Discussion on Woody Johnson's comments about Jets quarterbacks and team management.
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Jets Ownership and Quarterback Controversy
3:36 to 14:01
Discussion on Woody Johnson's comments about Jets quarterbacks and team management.
“Johnson, it's hard when you have a quarterback with a rating that we got.”
NBA Player Movement and Control
14:01 to 16:49
Exploring how NBA players have the power to dictate their trades and movements.
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The Impact of Injuries on Legacy
16:50 to 18:11
Discussing how injuries affect athletes' careers and public perception.
“The things that mold us into becoming professional athletes, the things that we go through, man, it's ultimately, it determines pretty much your longevity in the game or how you approach the game.”
The Impact of Injuries on Legacy
18:12 to 20:14
Discussing how injuries affect athletes' careers and public perception.
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The Impact of Injuries on Legacy
20:22 to 22:08
Discussing how injuries affect athletes' careers and public perception.
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Michael Jordan on Load Management
23:21 to 28:00
Analyzing Michael Jordan's views on players resting during games.
“Michael Jordan had his thoughts on loads management in today's game.”
The Evolution of NBA Player Contracts
28:00 to 31:25
Discussing the changing mentality and financial landscape of NBA contracts.
“I mean, by the time Shea is done, Shea and Jason Tatum and Luka, they're going to be able to make a billion dollars in the NBA.”
The Evolution of NBA Player Contracts
31:33 to 33:20
Discussing the changing mentality and financial landscape of NBA contracts.
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The Evolution of NBA Player Contracts
34:14 to 34:28
Discussing the changing mentality and financial landscape of NBA contracts.
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Gambling Scandals in the NBA
34:28 to 42:00
Exploring recent gambling issues and their implications in the NBA.
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Feds and Athlete Surveillance
42:00 to 46:20
Learn about the extensive monitoring of athletes by teams and the implications of financial transparency.
“This is a three, four-year investigation?”
Anthony Davis's Injury Update
46:20 to 50:10
Discussion on Anthony Davis's Achilles tendinitis and the risks associated with playing through such injuries.
“Anthony Davis came into the game against the Pacers with a reported bilateral Achilles tendinopathy he has Achilles tendinitis a who?”
Personal Injury Experiences
50:10 to 53:20
Hear personal stories of injuries and the lengths athletes go to play through pain.
“Man, scouts coming, Ocho, and I'm sitting up on the bleachers.”
Playing or Fading: Sports Predictions
53:20 to 55:40
The hosts analyze player performances and make predictions for upcoming games.
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Betting Insights on NFL Players
56:00 to 58:38
Learn about betting predictions on various NFL players and matchups.
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Halloween Costumes and Memories
58:40 to 1:01:50
Hosts share childhood Halloween memories and favorite costumes.
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AI's Impact on NBA Culture
1:01:50 to 1:05:14
Discussion about Allen Iverson's influence on the NBA and its culture.
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Recovery and Yoga Therapy
1:05:14 to 1:10:00
Exploration of recovery methods, including yoga and cryotherapy.
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Cryotherapy and Recovery Techniques
1:10:00 to 1:11:58
Learn about the benefits and personal experiences with cryotherapy and recovery methods.
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Food Adventures and Culinary Challenges
1:11:58 to 1:15:00
Explore unusual food choices and culinary challenges including chitlins and raccoon stew.
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Fishing Techniques and Experiences
1:15:00 to 1:17:21
Discuss fishing techniques and share personal fishing experiences among the hosts.
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Transitioning to Professional Sports
1:17:21 to 1:19:44
Understand the changes in eating habits and lifestyle as athletes age in professional sports.
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Mental Toughness and SEAL Training
1:19:44 to 1:22:20
Learn about the mental challenges of SEAL training and athletic performance.
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Condolences and Community Support
1:22:20 to 1:23:54
Offer condolences and support for a listener's loss, highlighting the community aspect of the show.
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Farewell to Mercedes Lewis
1:24:00 to 1:25:05
Discussion on Mercedes Lewis's career and retirement from the NFL.
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Farewell to Mercedes Lewis
1:26:50 to 1:28:30
Discussion on Mercedes Lewis's career and retirement from the NFL.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00I turned off news altogether. I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything. It's the rage bait. It feels like it's trying to divide people. We got clear facts. Maybe we can calm down a little. NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News. Reporting for America. Are you looking for support in your weight management journey? ZepBound Terzepatide may be able to help. ZepBound is a prescription medicine used with a reduced calorie diet and increased physical activity to help adults with obesity or some adults with overweight who also have weight-related medical problems to lose excess body weight and keep the weight off.
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3:36Shannon Sharpe:Jess Woody Johnson made headlines last week for some harsh comments he gave about Justin Fields. Johnson, it's hard when you have a quarterback with a rating that we got. If we could just complete a pass, it would look good. According to former Jets quarterback Jordan Travis, these aren't the only troubling comments Johnson has made to one of the team's quarterbacks. Despite dealing with serious leg injury, Travis remembers Johnson asking him, are you ever going to get healthy? Travis, there were things that were said to me, not obviously to that point, because I never got on the field of play about my leg.
4:12Shannon Sharpe:Just slick comments. I don't know if he was trying to be slick about it or you know how some older men just say whatever comes to their mind. And that kind of made me feel a certain type of way. Not how you feeling, never that. There was always comments like that. It's easy to point a finger at Justin Fields or Aaron Glenn for the Jets' troubles, but Robert Sala seems to be the coach's defense really well for the 49ers. Aaron Rodgers looked pretty good at Pittsburgh. Sam Darnold, too. Ocho, Joe, how much blame should we place on ownership led by Woody Johnson for the long, long history of Jets failure?
4:49I mean, listen, similar to the quarterback situation with the Chicago Bears for the long, long history of failures at that position as well, I mean, management is to blame as well for the long, long, long failures for the quarterback position with the Jets. Most of the time, the identity for the Jets has always been their defense. That has always been the better part of the successful part of their team. Obviously, not this year. And obviously, offense, not this year as well. But I really thought this was Justin Fields' year. I thought it would have been his year. He had nothing to worry about.
5:22He had nobody eyeing over his shoulder. It was his team, his team to win, and his team to lose. They're 1-7, obviously, beating my Bengals. But it is what it is. But I think at some point they will turn it around. I think he can be the future for the New York Jets. Is he going to get that opportunity to be after Woody Johnson came out and said some of the things he said publicly that most owners would say to themselves or people upstairs? You know, yeah. Yeah. You never say anything like that publicly. But it seemed like since Jerry Jones said what he need to say, other owners are now having the onus and the wherewithal to say, you know, forget it.
5:59I'm just going to say how I'm feeling and let him know. And it has to it has to hurt. to know that your owner feels that way, and I still got to go out there and play for him.
6:11Shannon Sharpe:What do you think, Joe? Hey, look, I kind of agree kind of with Justin Fields. I mean, you got other guys who can play for their franchise, man, quarterbacks, and they went off and, you know, played for other organizations, and they've been playing pretty well. They've been playing pretty well. So, therefore, yeah, you got to start up top with the organization and how things have been ran because for whatever reason, and they hadn't been getting great outcomes. Obviously, Justin Fields played great this past week. But, man, you hope he can build confidence from that and try to continue to play at an elite level.
6:47Shannon Sharpe:They got to improve the roster overall, Locho. Yeah. But that's hard, huh? You know how much time that takes. Well, hey. They've had 30 years.
6:59Shannon Sharpe:Will they give Aaron Glenn the time to improve the roster? I think because A.G. played there, I think he'll probably have a little longer leeway than most. I don't want to say what we would normally say, a longer leash, because everybody would say, he's a doctor. So I'm just trying to be politically correct. I think he'll have a longer opportunity to stay than probably most because of his history with the organization and how well he's played for the organization and what he knows him personally. So yes, I do think he'll have a... But look, I don't care who you are. If your quarterback doesn't play well, it's hard for you to win in this league.
7:38Shannon Sharpe:It's hard. Very. But, Joe, situations matter. Situations on where you play and where you go and what's surrounding you is very, very important, Joe. Yeah, I agree. I can't think of it in basketball terms, but maybe, Unc and Joe, you could probably relate to it. Who would be Daniel Jones on the New York Giants in basketball terms? and then all of a sudden Daniel Jones, that player actually leaving said team and going somewhere else and succeeding the way Daniel Jones is succeeding in Indianapolis. Who would that be in basketball terms? Who would that be? Because Daniel Jones was balling. I'm talking about killing it.
8:18Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I'm trying to think. Let me see. The only thing is that Brunson didn't – I mean, he left the Mavericks and went to New York and he balling in New York. But that's his own team. Okay. But that was it, yeah. He was backing up Luca. You know what I mean? Ain't nobody gonna overshine Luca. Not now. Yeah, he was backing up Luca, but he went off and obviously you know what he's doing in New York right now. But - I'm trying to think. Who? Because I mean, they let Daniel Jones go. They just, they let him walk on about it, didn't they? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he ended up, he went to, didn't he go to Minnesota for a year?
8:55What did Daniel go? Yeah, he was the backup. He was the backup in Minnesota. Went to Minnesota, then went on down to NJ.
9:07Shannon Sharpe:In basketball, I don't know, man.
9:12Shannon Sharpe:No, but he played, he was good in Chicago. Who was that? Jimmy Butler. Yeah, Jimmy was good in Chicago. Jimmy's been good everywhere he went, huh? Chicago, Philly, he's always been consistent I mean, with what he does well. See, the thing is that we thought, we thought, If you go back and look at Brunson when Luka was out, he showed you what he could do if he had his own team. Yeah. Go back and look at when Luka missed that time and look at what Brunson was doing. So now he got his own team. He's going to be the primary ball handler. He's going to be the primary shot taker. I don't think anybody's surprised by this.
9:51Shannon Sharpe:Now, maybe the guy averaged 26, 27 points a game in as many 30-point games as he's had, but I thought he would be really well. Now, did I think he'd be an all-NBA selection? I wouldn't go that far, but I thought he could make the all-star team. I thought he could make an all-star team. Because the guy that's playing that well in spurts, when he has the ball in his hand, and they say, okay, and kid, like, okay, we need you to do more of a role and not be so – boom, we saw that. But, look, you got James Harden. We saw what he – you remember he was sixth man of the year. Well, he was. I'm sure if people thought he could be good but not averaging 36 points a night good, not changing the game good with that step back nah nah who else would like that nah with Shea just didn't get a chance to play if Shea got a chance to play and plus look he was not going to do that with the Clippers not with Kawhi you had just think about what you got with Kawhi Kawhi was going to be the main ball handler.
10:58Shannon Sharpe:Shea's in a situation. Shea knows he can get as many shots as he want, and he ain't stepping on nobody's toes. Yeah. The Clippers, they weren't going to wait for his development. No, no. They couldn't because Kawhi, you're bringing Kawhi, and Kawhi wants to win now. And he basically said, if you don't get me, Paul George, I'm going with the Lakers. Can you imagine Kawhi, LeBron, and AD, and then you playing in the basement with that? No. They had to. They had to do it, Ocho. I mean, hold on, hold on. I have a question, Joe and Uncle. What's up? If the Clippers knew what they knew now about Shea and how he would— They would have never traded him.
11:39They would have never traded him, yeah. So how do you not see that?
11:43Shannon Sharpe:Because he was a rookie, Ocho, and no rookie because you got to realize he wasn't the first pick in the draft. He wasn't AD. He wasn't Zion. that you're running your offense through. So now he's in a situation. He's the offense. So there's no possible way. Just like James Harden. Now, people thought James could be good because he was a great ISO player. When KD and Russ went to the bench, James Harden was sensational. But sensational is averaging 16 points a game. He averaged 36. He had games where he went like 30, 40 games. He's averaging getting 30. A night. 60-point triple-doubles. 50-point triple-doubles.
12:28Shannon Sharpe:But he knows it's a lot easier to play, Ocho, if you're the number one, and you know you're going to get 12, 13, 14 targets a game. Right. But I understand that, right? But the basketball heads that are in the Clippers organization, those that have been watching the game, scouts, GMs, and understanding, you have an eye for talent. There's a certain thing that we can see called the it factor. It's called the eye test. even if it's not his team. You can tell when a player is going to be special. You can look at their game, their skill set, what they can and what they can't do. And when you look at Shea's game, on both ends of the court, that's somebody that you say, this MF is special.
13:07I'm not letting him go.
13:09Shannon Sharpe:I think the Clippers knew he was special. I've seen Doc Rivers coaching the Clippers. He said that was the hardest thing to put in the trade was to add Shea into that trade because he knew that Shea was going to be pretty good. Now, I don't know if he thought he was going to be MVP good. The man averaging 30. But he knew he was going to be good. And then on top of that, Uncle Ocho, you never know. Like, for Shea, maybe that was great for his career because it probably put a little fire in him. You know what I mean? He'd be like, all right, they got rid of me. I'm going to show him. You know what I mean?
13:39Shannon Sharpe:And now he's playing at a level to where I don't think nobody's seen this, bro. He's a bucket. He's 30 points every night, give or take. I don't care. I don't care. What happened? He going to have 30. And plus, Ocho, the biggest free agent available was Kawhi. Kawhi said, if you don't get me Paul George, I'm going to sign with the Lakers. Do you really want LeBron James, Kawhi Leonard, and AD in the building that you play in? Do you really want that to happen? Was that even possible? Yes, it was possible. Was that even realistic? He was going home. Kawhi was going back to LA. I don't know what team yet, but he was going back to L.A.
14:21Shannon Sharpe:for sure. Okay. That's crazy how players, especially NBA players, can control where they want to go. They can pick and choose where they want to go. If they say, I want to trade, I don't want to be here anymore, the team had no choice but to move them. Superstars. Well, you have to because if a guy only has one year left on his deal, Ocho, and he's telling you he ain't signing back in so many words, then you got to trade him to get something back. You know what I mean? What doomed OKC was Kevin Durant walked out the door and didn't get nothing for him. Yep. Imagine if you could have traded him before.
14:59Shannon Sharpe:See, he walked out the door and you didn't get anything. Nothing. KD at his prime walks out of your door and you don't get anything for him. The same thing. The Clippers could have tried to play. I mean, Scott, the Clippers. The Hornets. Not the Hornets. The Pelicans could have tried to play hardball, but AT contract was coming up. Do you really want Anthony Davis to walk out of there and you don't get nothing for him? And you the Pelicans? Okay, okay. Ain't nobody coming to New Orleans. I'm sorry. It's a great city. I mean, the jazz and the food is amazing, but you're not getting superstars to come down to New Orleans.
15:37Shannon Sharpe:You're just not. So you have to. You don't have a choice. Right. So what do I do, Ocho? And like I said, yes, I think Doc realized that Shade was going to be good. But I don't know if Doc thought he'd be this good. Coach Belichick, the reason why they kept Tom Brady, they kept four quarterbacks that year. Coach Belichick said with a little work he thought he could be good. You thought he was going to be seven Super Bowls good? Fifteen Pro Bowls? You thought he was going to be the all-time leader in passes, touchdowns, wins, Super Bowl wins, Super Bowl MVPs? You thought he was going to be that good?
16:16Shannon Sharpe:because if you did, you would have took him in the first round. You wouldn't have took him in the sixth round. And guess what? You would have started him from day one. So you didn't know. You thought he could be good. Everybody's like, oh, yeah, we knew Shadda. Bro, I was setting my draft pick. Me making the team was a feat in and of itself, let alone being able to play 14 years and having the accomplishments. Everybody gets to say that after the fact, Ocho. Yeah, I knew that boy was going to make it. Oh, I knew. Oh, I saw him in high school. I told such and such, that boy was going to make it.
16:48Right.
16:49Shannon Sharpe:Hey, it's a lot that has to transpire and a lot that has to happen. It does. Along that journey, man. You know what I mean? The things that mold us into becoming professional athletes, the things that we go through, man, it's ultimately, it determines pretty much your longevity in the game or how you approach the game. So when you look at Shea, it's just like when I look at Shea, I'm like, man, can you imagine him in LA in that new arena they got over there. And think about it. That was another reason. They're getting better to build a new arena. What do you need to go into a new arena, Joe? Superstars!
17:26Shannon Sharpe:Superstars! People would tell me, Kawhi ain't better than SGA. Maybe not now. If you think SGA in his first or second year was better than Kawhi, y 'all a damn fool. Y 'all out your damn mind. That man was a two-time defensive player of the year and a two-time finals MVP. The man is one of the 75 greatest players of all time. What do you mean? Okay, if you want to say he's not better than Shea now, I'm not going to fight you. As a matter of fact, I'm going to put my hand behind the chair. I ain't going to fight him. But come on now. Y 'all make it seem like Kawhi was a bum. And he was far from.
18:03Shannon Sharpe:He's still not. Is he injury prone? Yes. Has injury robbed him of some of his best years? Yes. But to say that SGA was better at that time is just not true. Because I remember before Zha-Zha Pacheep's shot, stuck his foot up under Kawhi. They had Golden State down by like 18. Yeah, yeah. Kawhi was a really great player. There's a reason why he's a two-time champion. He's a two-time defensive player of the year. He can play both ends of the court, and he can play it well. But injuries have robbed him of some of his best years. I'm tall as quiet. I'm quiet like 6 '7". Are you looking for support in your weight management journey?
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23:20Shannon Sharpe:Big seven, yeah. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Michael Jordan had his thoughts on loads management in today's game. He called out players sitting out games to rest, saying that he would never miss a game if he could avoid it because of his duty to the fans. It shouldn't be needed, first and foremost. I never wanted to miss a game because it was an opportunity to prove. It was something that I felt like, you know, the fans were there like they're watching me play. And I want to impress the guys up top who obviously worked their ass off to get a ticket or get money to buy a ticket. Jordan also referenced his iconic blue game against the Utah Jazz in 1997 NBA Finals, where he pushed through illness in a pivotal game five.
24:00Shannon Sharpe:I was going to find a way to get out there, even if I was a decoy. Once I got out there, pushing yourself, you never know what happens, right? Absolutely. Yeah, I agree with you. Hey, look, I agree with him, too. Man, I think that's why we love him so much, man, And just to see him sit there and kind of, you know, let people know that load management wasn't cool back then. No, hell no. They wasn't doing that, man. I mean, even in the DVDs I used to watch with the come fly with me and all that, he'll tell you, like, his thing was showing up for the fans, for the guy who may only get to see him play one time.
24:41Shannon Sharpe:That's all the money he could save up. Yeah, he was going to show up and show out. So that's my goal, bro. Man, I just I enjoy seeing him break the game down I know people thought it was going to probably be A much live setting Yeah, they thought he was going to be actually talking about Current players But he's giving it from his standpoint Of his mindset of what he's thinking He ain't going to be actually talking about A player in particular Like Barkley and Shaq and Kenny and they actually break down the game Perk and these other guys They break down the game That's not what he's doing He's looking at it from a champion's mindset the mindset that you have to have.
25:17Shannon Sharpe:And he said, I just couldn't do it. I couldn't miss no time. I couldn't miss a game because somebody paid a boatload of money to watch me. He said, even the people that was booing me, I wanted them to see why you booing me. Right. Because I'm cutting your team, you know what. Right. And, Ojo, you know, in football, we could never – First of all, I don't know how you guys thought, Joe, but in football, we already know NFL, not for long. you sit on a game and you might not hey you miss a game somebody comes in and you might not get that job back right hey you get Tom Brady you see what Tom Brady did he got in and 23 years later yeah NFL you can't do that I mean I hated missing the game we'd have the thing play I mean, my 96.
26:16Shannon Sharpe:We had the division sold up. We had home field throughout. And Mike says, 84, I'm thinking about, you know, you've been dealing with some ankle injuries. Because at that time, Ocho, I had nerves in my ankle. I had them frozen, dead. So I wouldn't feel the pain if I twist my ankle or something like that. Damn. So he's like, you've been dealing with stuff, 84. You know, I just want you to sit out. Selfishly, I wanted to play, Ocho. Man, I'm trying to get 1 ,100 yards. I'm trying to get another touchdown. But I saw the bigger picture. But in a... No, no, no, no, no, no, no. But you only got to understand, Ocho, we only played 16.
26:53Shannon Sharpe:16 games in the NFL is like... One game in the NFL is like five in the NBA. Yeah. Hey, look, that fire really don't die, though. Like, if you're a competitor, you're a competitor. And think about it. You heard MJ say, man, if I could take a magic pill right now. You see what I'm saying? he still loves to compete he probably still wishes he could get out there and play you know what I mean like you say he ain't willing to risk popping his Achilles to get out there he's competing just on the golf course in cards he's still competing don't let it fool you that listen a competitor is always going to find a way to compete it might not be in his profession or his respective craft that he used to do but he's going to find it through other avenues when it comes to life and the funny thing also about the load management thing and Michael Jordan saying some of the things he said you have to think about the game that they played back then mentally where they were back then it's completely different than the game is now not only the game but the players and the way they think everything's a bit a little bit different they want to rest they want to take time off they don't have the same mentality the players had back there back then you know excuse me less distraction it's just different all the way around and with the money where it is Joe if I can send out a couple of games and that's going to give me a couple extra years.
28:15Shannon Sharpe:I mean, look at it now. I mean, by the time Shea is done, Shea and Jason Tatum and Luka, they're going to be able to make a billion dollars in the NBA. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. A bill. Well, I for sure. Hey, look, I for sure know when we're going to get at least a billion. Oh, man, when we're next contract might be a billion. If he can stay. The thing is, look, his height is always like, because there ain't nothing he can't do, man. That joker, he can handle the ball. He's sham guarding people. He going behind the back, in it, out, handsy, pulling up from 28. Obviously, he can put it on the forfeit, put it at the rim.
28:51Shannon Sharpe:He barely jumping and dunking on people's head. Man, listen. Okay, Ojo. Yeah. Eyes that big is not supposed to be moving like that. Yeah, nah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on. To be that tall, Joe, he twitchy as hell. Yeah. He twitchy. I'm talking about like Kevin Durant twitchy. And he five inches taller than KD. Hey, come on out here to the top of the key. Let me show you something real quick. Hey, listen. So now a big guy, I can't even say a big guy his size because there ain't many people his size, but a big guy who has to guard him, man, he has no chance. Zero. I'm watching them, how they play now.
29:25Shannon Sharpe:He's gotten stronger. His mentality is different. He going at his man, bro. Hey, all right. San Antonio like 5-0. Oh, yeah, he got a nice squad. They got Dylan Harper coming off the bench. They got Castle. They got Vassal. They got a nice squad. Fox ain't even playing. Fox ain't even playing yet. What we do. Now, you know, we like to talk, you know, in basketball. You know, you can't really lose your spot off an injury. Yeah, you can. Fox ain't playing yet. But not him. And he got a max deal, Joe. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. It's different. It's different, man.
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34:32Shannon Sharpe:Oh, Joe, Terry Rozier. Joe, Terry Rozier will not be paid while on leave and absence after the rest on federal charges related to the gambling scheme. Roger's salary which is about 26.6 million this season paid in installments will be held in escrow if Roger is cleared and allowed to return to NBA which placed him on leave hours after his October 23rd arrest he will receive the held payments in full excuse me Chauncey Billups will also not be paid while on leave Billups salary is 7 million this season and won't be won't be held in escrow he'll just lose it until the outcome of the FBI that case.
35:10Shannon Sharpe:Joe, when the story broke, what were your initial thoughts? Man, it was hard for me to believe with, you know, with Chauncey because I know him to a degree. You know, I know same people, same circle, you know, me and T. Lou, good friends. When T. Lou played here in Atlanta with me, he was a point guard here in Atlanta when I first got here at Ocho for like three years. That's my man. We used to hang out. And to see all this come out, I'm like, you know, it's just, it's unfortunate, bro. But if it's true, yeah, I agree with the harsh penalties, man. There's nowhere in the game, whether it's Rozier or whether it's Billups, you know, if you betting on the games, bro, if you're doing the stuff they say you're doing or cheating people, cheating your partners and them out their money, yeah, man.
36:01Shannon Sharpe:I mean, I don't know what's the maximum fine you can get or what's gonna happen, but if you're doing it, yeah. If you're down the fine, you go to jail. The fine is the least of your words. Yeah, well, hey, unfortunately, if you're doing what they say you're doing, then you probably deserve a little jail time. I was like, man. Hey. It's been hard, though. I hate it, man. I just hate it. I hate it. because I think the thing is look, I mean I just in good conscience I can't like people work hard for that money and to cheat somebody out of their money Joe, I ain't never been like that guys, I couldn't I couldn't I couldn't it's tough, you know it's hard watching it unfold because I'm like you got x-ray you got these rigged poker games x-ray tables x-ray glasses face down so now I can see what you got so I'm betting they say guys betting 100 blinds in the gutty so you know what's coming so that's why you betting and dude thinking he got somebody thinking they got a winning hand like oh yeah I got a pair of kings I got two rockets up under here oh man the whole time and it's bigger than what people understanding right when you in with them people like that when you in with them people and it gets to that point where you the one bringing in the clients to use the illegal stuff to get them well you in over your head man you really ain't got no choice at that point no honestly so the only way out is for coming to an end like this this is the best thing to happen honestly once you in over your head like that and they got you you gotta be careful who you talk to You having an innocent conversation, but they getting all the information that they need.
38:03Shannon Sharpe:Man, Carson, man, Carson. I don't even think Carson's going to play this week. Carson, man, ain't practiced yet. You just having an innocent conversation. Man, man, shh. Man, I don't think smooth. Man, smooth ankle. I saw smooth ankle this morning, and that thing was big as a ball. Man. That's why, hey, I don't play around like that. I had a dude ask me, say, man, look here, man. I want to get this car. I'll give you the cash. You go pay for a put in your name. She. Mm-mm. That was not. When he get squeezed, what are you going to do? Right. You know what he going to do. Nah, I'm good, cool. Yeah.
38:46Shannon Sharpe:But look, I ain't no gambling like that. Like, I like the friendly competition gambling, but man, when it get to the point to where you having the old people I don't know. No. And I read the paper. They say that Rozier had a lien on his house. How are you going to lean on your house? And they say at this point in time, you had made$169 million in NBA salary, but you got to lean on your property. You can't lean on nothing. You better lean on this coffee table because they got books up on it. That's the only thing you can lean on. It's going to fall. But you ain't going to put no lien. Come on, man.
39:26Shannon Sharpe:Man, listen. The NBA did an investigation. Now, what we don't know, they said, but like Adam Silver said, they don't have subpoena power. They don't have the ability to threaten somebody to send you away for a long period of time. You got a wife, you got kids. Hey, your kids will be graduated by the time you get out. is your wife gonna really wait for you for another six, seven, eight, nine years? You really, you willing to trust that? Now, they say, oh, oh, man, I don't know what, I don't know how you, I know you're in the NBA, but we might think you got this, some of this money by ill-gotten means.
40:11Shannon Sharpe:So we gonna seize it. We gonna put a freeze on all of it. Uh-oh. And they can do it? Hell yeah! They the government. Absolutely. Absolutely. they can do what the hell they want to do yeah man it's just the timing of all of it is kind of crazy too it's like right before the season it's like hold on I don't know I don't know man that was the best time to do it when you got everybody attention when can you get everybody attention during the season when everybody watching everybody tuned in the sports are so popular football is so popular oh that's my team They betting on these games. I got a vested interest.
40:53Shannon Sharpe:You know what, Ocho? You watch something a little bit more closely when you got a vested interest in it, don't you? Yeah. Be it your fantasy, be it I'm betting of, you know, who going to win, how many catches, how many yards, how many touchdowns, how many sacks, X, Y, and Z. I'm watching this thing a little bit more closely because I got money on it. And look, it's hard for you to enjoy the game when you got money on the game. That's right. Man, they're game fixed. Now, Ocho, now, Joe, you understand what people always say. If they lose, man, they're game fixed. Yeah, yeah. That's the first thing they go shop.
41:38Shannon Sharpe:Yep, yep, yep. Man, it's... I hate it for people. I hate it. I just, like I said, I know Chauncey. I've known Chauncey since he was in high school. I don't know Rozier. Know him as a player, good, solid player. Met Damon one time. But it's tough. It's tough because, boy, look here. The government, what did they say? This is a three, four-year investigation? Yeah. or they don't come and get you to your hold on, most of the time when you talk about the feds, now the feds don't come and get you to year five until they get something hey Joe, when they knock on that dough you best to believe they done dotted every I and crossed every T before they came and got you yeah normally when them people come out Joe, they knock on your dough you open the dough, yeah invite them in you like something to drink
42:44Shannon Sharpe:you know what I'm saying, I'm trying to be as how spitable is possible. Would you like something to drink? What would you like to know?
42:57Shannon Sharpe:It's Hey, man, them people don't play, man. And guess what? Because they can see everything, Ocho. They see all your money. They see how much you got. How much you it used to be like, I don't know if it still is, but teams, oh, he can't hold a lot too much longer. He in debt. Actually, he a month behind on his mortgage payment. And he got two kids in private school. And I heard him and his wife not getting the loan. Don't even worry about it. He'll be back. Hold on. They know all that anyway. They know all that anyway. They know how much we spend. Hey, Chad, NFL teams, I mean, obviously I'm not playing.
43:37I'm just saying, the players now, especially ones that make the big money, they know how much they got in the bank. They know how much they're spending. They know exactly who you hang with. They know where you like to go. They know what clubs you be at. They know everything. Hell, they know who you're dating. They know who you're messing with. When they invest that kind of money in you, Joe, they know everything. It's crazy. It's funny. It's funny in the offseason. I'm down here in Miami. I have no contact with the Cincinnati Bengals when I'm in the offseason. None at all. but Marvin Lewis can call and tell me where I've been and what I've done and this is before I got on social media
44:19Shannon Sharpe:all them FBI all them retired FBI agents they got man they don't play they gotta keep eyes on that investment for sure Joe hey listen I was one you never had to worry about Joe they don't worry about you you know what I find funny when they say well you know we understand but we gonna let this process play out You already knew what he was doing. You probably tried to warn him. Oh, that might have been like a, hey, they on you? I'm just saying, hey. He ain't stopped though, huh? I don't know what it is, but they know. Do you know how many retired? What did Mercedes say? When he started traveling, he going to ask the NFL to get him security.
45:07Shannon Sharpe:To give him security. Yeah. And they'll do that. They'll do that for you. So you mean to tell me all these worth billions and billions of dollars, they got money tied up in these athletes, they not going to know what y 'all doing? They know everything, bro. It's crazy. And listen. Really?
45:33Shannon Sharpe:They don't play. If they want you, boy, they put Martha Stewart in jail.
45:43Shannon Sharpe:That inside of trash. And she should have just held on to the stock because she sold the stock and it was worth more after she sold it. She should have kept it. They put Leona Helmsley in jail. She was worth more money than Martha Stewart. She said only poor people pay taxes. Don't worry about it. Well, you poor now. Come on down here.
46:06Hey, they go, hey, they go, they want you, they get you.
46:10Shannon Sharpe:yes sir I pay them their money I overpay them send me a little something back I don't want to be short
46:22Shannon Sharpe:Anthony Davis came into the game against the Pacers with a reported bilateral Achilles tendinopathy he has Achilles tendinitis a who? Achilles tendinitis hold on who is that again? who they said? Hey, not LA Laker, former LA Laker, AD. Yes, the Mavis inexplicably let him play. AD looked like he stepped hard on the ground and started limping instantly towards the bench. He exited the game, went to the locker room and did not return.
46:57Shannon Sharpe:Hey, them type of injuries there, man. You don't play with. Killies, calves, them little nigg-nacks. You don't play with that. Yeah, you don't play with them. Nah, at all. They get all these fancy names, Ocho instead of saying tendonitis, they get all these names. Cause of - Tendinopathy. That's what Kawhi had. He had quad tendinopathy. Yeah. Yeah, okay. That's the scientific name, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, I'm telling you, I could work with all them boys, Joe. They wouldn't be going through none of this, but don't nobody wanna listen to me? Don't nobody wanna listen to me? Yeah, they don't, Ocho.
47:35Shannon Sharpe:They don't wanna listen. Listen, it's all good. It's all good. You just, I mean. They said he was grabbing the bad, saying it didn't look good. Well, normally he limped off, so I don't think, I don't think, well, not good. Probably strained it. But. Damn. Maybe a strain. But what, what, what, what? We in game what? Six, five, six. Game six, game four, five. I've had, man. I've had. I was dumb, I ain't know no better. Man, I had tendinitis, I let him shoot it up. in my Achilles in college. Nah. Damn, huh? Nah. I had it. I caught Achilles in the night as I was playing in Miami. Oh, Joe. First round.
48:19Shannon Sharpe:If they told me, Joe, if they told me, you know, hey, we can put some medicine in it, put it in there. Woo. It wasn't nothing. It wasn't nothing to shoot that thing. Hey, there was not a body part that I would not let them shoot up, Joe to play. I'm gonna tell you the worst one though. Oh, to play. I thought you were talking about, okay, my bad. Yeah, to play. I had to play. I had, I caught turf toe to where I couldn't practice. I couldn't do nothing on Ocho. Like the only thing I could do was play and I had to get shot up in my big toe before every game. Oh my God. Yeah. The worst pain. Before every game?
48:55Shannon Sharpe:Before every game. We went, it was in the playoffs, Ocho. We went seven games. Okay. Okay. Okay. Seven games I had to get shot in that foot. Oh, man. That's the worst pain. My brother had that same thing. He ended up having to have surgery on his, though, Joe. He didn't practice. He ended up having to put a plate in there so his toe wouldn't bend. Because normally you're toe being. So they put that steel plate in there so it wouldn't bend. But he ended up, he had to get it shot up every game. And then after the season, he ended up having surgery. Basically the same surgery that Joe Burrow had.
49:28Shannon Sharpe:and Joe Burrow missing that time my brother had that exact that exact yeah but that's painful oh yeah that's painful but that's what people people like man what bro cause I done had shoulders and ribs and ankles and Achilles like I said Joe I ain't know no better yeah I know man you know what and you learn how to take care of yourself through your own but I'm trying to play man I'm trying to keep Mary Porter out of poverty I'm trying to make sure my kids – man, look here. I'm shooting – damn, Dad, I'm shooting it up.
50:04Shannon Sharpe:Oh, yeah. Yo, yo, yo. AD, AD, that time, that was the first time I had ever been – because I had never been injured. This was in college. I had never been injured before. So, and this is my senior year. Man, scouts coming, Ocho, and I'm sitting up on the bleachers. Yeah. Man. And the doctor said, well, we won't go in there, but we can put some medicine in it. It'll calm it down. He's like. Let me get that. I'm with it. Shoulders, ribs, I tore some rib cartilage. Right here. Went to catch a pass over the middle, Ocho. And the brace, because I knew the hit was coming. It popped, my rib popped out.
50:52Shannon Sharpe:He ain't even hit me. It's just I braced so hard because I knew it was coming. Yeah. Man, you talk about painful. I let him shoot me up for like two weeks. Then I said, no, I can't do that. I can't do it no more. That hurt so bad, man. Woo. Hey, all right, Sharpie, take a deep breath. Hey, hey. Because that adrenaline is only going to get you so far. bad so far and once it and once it come down it's over with absolutely both shoulders shot both my shoulders up ocho for like three weeks i'm talking about during the week ocho i couldn't even lift my shoulders up like this they put that medicine in there about 10 minutes later you can do a jumping job hey hey
51:48everything was wrong with your head ohjo ankles, knees, hips, shoulders
51:53Shannon Sharpe:didn't I tell you I had the nerves dead to my ankle so I wouldn't feel no pain so I could go out there and play woo they told me look, they say Shanna you know might be some you might have some issues right I don't want no issues now. I deal with that issue later. I deal with them 50 and 60. I deal with that then. But right now, Mary Porta got to eat. I got kids. They got to eat. So if I, yeah, some days are better than others. Some days I can pop up out of bed and everything feel good. And other days it feel like I got hit by a bus. Yesterday. Damn. So, that's what, they been to have that needle by this long Ocho getting your knees drained I get my knees like two hours before the game Ocho I told you about my I had to get both of my knees drained I'm talking about like 40 and 50 cc drawn off them on Sunday and then go get it again done Tuesday
53:07Shannon Sharpe:especially in season it's hard it's hard to keep it is it is because guess you running on it you falling on your knees yes and then i had uh i think it's my left knee i could if i if i fell on that knee right oh oh they're getting they're getting they're getting 50 cc's monday morning yeah and it it's so funny i don't i don't know if it i don't know what happened i had the birthday sack from when I played in the flag football game out there in London. I hit the ground real hard. And two days later, it looked like it got huge. It was huge. And it's still been going down. It's been two weeks now.
53:47I got on the plane to go to Atlanta the day before yesterday, and it was fat that morning. It was still a lot left. I got on the plane and touched my leg, and half of it was gone.
53:59Shannon Sharpe:It's on your knee? yeah so I thought I'm not sure listen I don't know I don't know if it had to do with anything with being in flight or altitude anything but most of it was gone so now it's just a little bit left sometimes they'll take it out Ocho the bursa they can take it out nah I had it I had one that got somewhat infected Cut a pass in Kansas City, hit it, split my elbow open. I ain't no coach. You know, I ain't no, we playing. I'm just playing. I said, Greek, I got a little, I got a little, hit my elbow. He's like, come back here. Let me take a look at it. So Sharpie, this ain't good. So they cleaned it out.
54:52Shannon Sharpe:They put, they packed it with gauze. Yeah. And then the next day, it's a good thing that we ended up having a bye week. Couldn't go nowhere. Damn.
55:07Shannon Sharpe:But, man, they had to keep it flushed because they said, if that thing gets infected, that ain't what you want. You don't want no staph infection, Sharp. I ain't no staph infection. I had never heard of a staph infection. Yeah. But, man. I've been some stuff to get on the field. That's why people are like, oh, you don't know what you do. Yeah. I don't put my body through some stuff. All right, Ocho and Joe, time to play or fade presented by PrizePix.
55:43Shannon Sharpe:Joe, I need you to help me out. Cole Anthony, more than four and a half assists against the Warriors. Cole Anthony played for the Bucs. Hold on, is he starting though? It don't matter. he gonna just feed the ball to Giannis. I know, but I think he been playing well. Playing great, he had 10 assists the other night. Yeah, I know, that's how they get you too. Hey, that's how they get y 'all. He's starting, Joe, he starts. Oh, he's starting, yeah. I get him, so he basically gotta get five assists in order to win. Talking about that's it, like five assists. Between Giannis and Snell and Miles Turner?
56:28I know.
56:29Shannon Sharpe:It sounds good. It sounds real good. Who they playing? Golden State? When is this? There is it. Golden State.
56:44Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I'm going to give them the over. Devon A. Chain, 58 and a half rush yards against the Ravens. Ocho. tomorrow night absolutely absolutely getting 58 i'm gonna be there everybody been running up and down and through him like a hallway up and down through him that's what it's gonna be like tomorrow so he'll get 59 yards rushing yeah all right we're going we're gonna take the over on that rashad bateman 35 31 and a half yards receiving i don't know where he been they ain't been throwing him the ball worth a damn. Lamar been hurt, huh? Lamar been hurt. Now, when Lamar's in there, then the offense is able to function in the right way.
57:28Everybody get to touch the ball.
57:29Shannon Sharpe:So he gonna get 32 yards. Now, I don't know about all that, but that's on you.
57:40Shannon Sharpe:You know what? I'm gonna say he gonna do it because Lamar gonna scramble around. He gonna get a couple of broken plays. I'm gonna give him 32. This is what's going to be hard, Joe. Dylan Harper, more than 22 and a half combined points, rebounds, and assists versus the Heat. Yeah. Hey, man, I don't know if y 'all been paying attention. I know we talk about Wimby, but this rookie right here, Dylan Harper, man, he nice. And you know what it is, Uncle Ocho? He ain't forcing the issue. He's been super efficient, and he He's getting numbers, what, 14, 15 a game, probably about five, six assists. Like, he balling.
58:21Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. I say yeah. Yeah. All right, we're going over on everything. $25 to win$150. Download the app today. Use code SHANNON. That's code SHANNON to get$50 in lineups after you play your first$5 lineup. It's good to be right. All right, we're going to get out of here on this one. It's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A.
58:56Shannon Sharpe:Man, the Lakers losing.
59:01Let me see. Yeah, they down by one with 10 seconds to go.
59:08Shannon Sharpe:They was winning. They was up big. Yeah, they Minnesota. Dr. Frank L. Bellamy Hey fam it's almost Halloween What were y 'all Halloween costumes as kids And which ones were your favorite Man I'm in the country We ain't have no Halloween costume Everybody was a ghost Cut them sheets Cut the eyes out Everybody was a ghost What costume Hey hold on Hey can Ash hear me Yeah you got ash got to ash got to put this halloween costume up for me real quick if she can hold on i'm gonna send it to her hey my i was i was beauty and the beast with my daughter joe and unc when was there i said about um it was here in miami but it was the full it was the full how do i say it was the full costume like the full character costume it was so raw let me see in the ass how long it took ass to put it up if she can my daughter was so little she was beauty and I was the beast but it was the actual costume as if I worked at Disney World or something you know what I mean yeah Ash you got that yeah she's like give her a second yeah hey I'm talking about the costume was about 7 feet tall so when I put it on Joe I look at it from around the neck around the neck area there was a place for me to be able to see out it looked like I was 7 feet tall my daughter was so short it was baby Kennedy she might have been maybe 3 maybe 3 or 4 that was my favorite costume it was so dope it's a place down here in Pompano called Costume World and you can buy every character costume like the stuff they wear at Disney World like the real costume I ain't talking about no no target or ordering online I'm talking about the real thing you gotta you gotta get in it like it's gonna be hot yeah I think I got everything you looking for I don't even I don't even remember dressing up I'm gonna be honest I ain't never I ain't never had no costume till I got till I was 30 so there you go right there huh look I see it's your yeah Yeah.
1:01:31Shannon Sharpe:Did them your teeth? Yeah. Nah, come on, don't do me like that. Don't do me like that. Lord have mercy. That's the beast costume, man. That thing was nice, boy. I was about seven feet tall in that thing. Lakers won. 116, 115, Joe. All right, okay. I tell you what, that boy AR over there putting it down, you hear me? Yes, sir. you say he gonna be he gonna get voted in you know he can first of all you got Luka Steph, Shea and Ant that might be I don't think they gonna take five guards hold on hold on so you must don't think LeBron but that's what I'm saying but LeBron would be classified as a front court cause you know they go front court or back court Nigel so what about Luka though Luka back court Ant-Man back court, Steph back court and Shea backcourt.
1:02:30Shannon Sharpe:So you think the Lakers gonna have three guys in the All-Star game? I think they could. How good is their record gonna be? That's what's gonna be to tell. But man, like, I'm talking about for negotiation purposes at the end of the season. Oh, he getting whatever he want at the end of the season. It doesn't matter, All-Star, he gonna get what he want, Joe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nah, look. Austin Reeve, this impressive what he's doing. I just saw that. You saw the last shot he just shot, Joe? Who? Austin Reed. Nah, uh-uh. You know what? It's like tonight, he didn't have a great shooting night. He was 9 for 24.
1:03:08Shannon Sharpe:He had 28 points, but he had 16 assists. And he was 8 of 23. Last shot. Now he's 9 of 24 because he made the last shot. Oh, did he? Yeah, he won the game for him with 6.6 seconds ago. But my thing is, if your shot ain't falling, man, can you do something else? Thank you. Man, out here, he dropped 16 dimes, bro. You know, that's why I tell a lot of these young cats. Yeah, I tell a lot of these young cats who want to improve on their game, man, you can't just be no scorer, bro, because if your shot ain't falling that night, what else can you do for us? Man, dropped 16 assists. Sheldon Pope said, I just read Allen Iverson's book, and I saw you played in the league with him.
1:03:47Shannon Sharpe:How was it seeing what he went through with the media, and how did you feel when they changed the dress code for the NBA? man i i hated the change in the dress code you know man we used to pull up to the plane i'm talking about you get right off the bus step right onto the plane you ain't have to do no security check they ain't do none of that when i first came in the league you could wear your warm-up yeah like and then all of a sudden man they was they were searching for everything now you gotta wear a suit coat or a suit like the change was it was it was pretty drastic man but ai paved the for all of us, you know what I mean?
1:04:22Shannon Sharpe:Like you can still see his imprint in the league now. I mean, in some of our mega stars, you know, like Shea who was, you know, who looked up to AI, got the cornrows, you know what I mean? Like it's, he left for me in bed. AI started with the sleeve, that guy ain't nothing. AI had a bursar, that's why he wore the sleeve. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. To keep that bursar under the jacket too. Everybody else got the sleeve on you because they look cool. Yeah, yeah, they don't know. he really had to have surgery on his elbow. Yeah, he did. I had elbow surgery too. He went to Andrews. James Andrews down in Birmingham?
1:04:59Shannon Sharpe:Alabama. Yeah. So, yeah, he changed. I mean, tattoos. Everybody got tattoos now? Everybody got tattoos, cornrows, or tattoos and dreads? You got one. I'm trying to think of a brother that don't have no tattoos. It ain't many. And if you ain't got those tattoos, you got car rolls or dreads or locks or whatever. You got one or the other. But David Stern said, nah, y 'all ain't finna scare off these advertisers and sponsors. Y 'all finna dress like y 'all business people. We a business. We are not finna let you guys mess up this money. Yeah. So, hey, look. So, it was one All-Star game. I played with AI.
1:05:47Shannon Sharpe:And this is the All-Star game. He came in, he had his do-rag on, but he had done cut his hair and nobody knew. So he took that do-rag off, we went crazy. He had a big split in between his head from wearing them braids for so long. I couldn't even believe, I'm like, man, this ain't the dude I grew up watching. What has happened? I saw that clip, y 'all was in the locker room, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I saw that clip. But he, man, he's a great dude. I met the dude, man, he a good dude. He is, bro. Robert Gomez, hey fellas, did you ever get in so much trouble as a kid that you started planning or running away so you wouldn't get a whipping?
1:06:26I ain't had no way to go. I ain't had no money. Shit, where I'm going?
1:06:30Shannon Sharpe:You could run. I hid in a tree. Catch him spanking. Spanking ain't catching nothing today.
1:06:38I run away. I wish I would. Hey, you know, back then, when you run away, your mama lock your ass out the house now. You can play games as you want to.
1:06:50Shannon Sharpe:Hey, hey, you got in trouble though. When she came home, you had that house clean. Oh yeah, you do everything. Everything clean up. Hey, hold on. Hey, hey, hey, Uncle Joe, you clean up everything to hope she give you some grace. Don't get in trouble. Hey, hey, and when she come in there, you make like you sleep. Boy, please, get up. Ain't nobody trying to. Hey, hey, Joe, my girl about to come home from work. Grady, you want to go fishing? I done dug bass and everything in your show. Man, please.
1:07:25Shannon Sharpe:But you know what the worst was, Joe? You get a whipping, and then your grandma tell everybody, yeah, I had to tear that boy ass up. Ain't nobody asking that, granny. Why you telling my business? She get on the phone and tell everybody. She called my uncle, she called her friends. Yeah, I had to cut that boy ass today. He'd end up being married.
1:07:49Shannon Sharpe:You don't want nobody to know you. Ain't nobody, why you dry snitching? Ain't nobody ask you, did you whip Shannon today? You volunteered that. Yeah, I didn't tear that boy ass up. You never, I'm not sure Joe how it was when y 'all grew up, but when we had a family function, or people came to my grandma's house, she had those Eastern Star meetings. Yeah. My grandma was Eastern Star. She had them Eastern Star meetings and everybody come over and here she go calling me to come out here. Boy, show them the little dance you used to do. Show them the little dance you learned. And I'm like, come on, grandma.
1:08:24And she, you know, she talking nice and I'm like, I'm rejecting wanting to do the dance and she get like, boy, if you don't show these people the dance you've been working on.
1:08:34Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Hey, talking with a teeth. Oh, yeah. Oh, that we call it vitrioliquid. My grandma ain't be talking, and don't move. Not one, don't, nothing move. At all. I'm gonna cut your ass when you get home. I'm gonna treat me like I'm some little circus animal. Got me out here in front of all these ladies, man. They got on the all white, man. Talk about showing them the dance. You know when they talk between their teeth? I'm gonna cut your ass when you get home. I just start crying. Hey, look, that's my grandma in church, boy. Hey, yeah. Gameplay. El Prey said, Joey, how was your mental experience during your recovery?
1:09:10Shannon Sharpe:What were the adjustments you had to make to incorporate yoga into the healing process? Well, so when I got – is he asking how did I get into yoga? No, he said now that you went through it and everything, so how are you getting ingratiating yourself back into the process? Well, I go to yoga three times a week because I'm trying to get that range of motion back in my leg. So I got to let that heat penetrate it and loosen it up. But I'll be back in business, man, probably by the first of the year, meaning like I already got – I'm at about 125 degrees. We walk around at like 130, 140 degrees. So I'm at like 125, so I'm close to normal.
1:09:55Shannon Sharpe:So I think the yoga is definitely helping. Like I got red light therapy and cryotherapy in my studio, Uncle Ocho, so I use it on the regular. Yeah, I ain't playing. Hold on. You got that in your house? Nah, I say that in my yoga studio. Oh, you got it in the yoga studio? Yeah. Yeah, I took - Hey, Joe, you got a little money, boy. Look, look, look. Hold on, chill out. So I took what I used to do when I played in the NBA. Yeah. I used to do the red light therapy. I used to do the cryo therapy. I just took it into the yoga world. Right. And, you know, it just kind of worked for me. Oh, okay. You got that cryo, huh?
1:10:32Shannon Sharpe:Come on, man. Come on, I gotta get back right. Man, that crowd, man. That thing, whew. That little two minutes, that thing, hey. It's three minutes. Ain't no joke. In the three minutes? Yeah, you can go a minute and a half. You can go two, two and a half. But like, it's got different sense. But yeah, it's the three minutes. You do that three minutes, I feel like you're enough for 15, boy. Man, Joe, let me tell you what I did. I did it twice. You know you're only supposed to do it once a day. I did it twice. Yeah. Joe, my body locked up. Yes. Because you burn calories. But I'm saying it was like I was dehydrated.
1:11:10Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, what I'm saying is, so when you do cryotherapy, all the blood rushes to the center of your chest. All your blood rushes to the center of your chest. And it's like a workout. You burn calories. You can burn crazy calories. Because it's trying to heat up. That's why you burn more calories in the winter than you do in the summer because your body is rushing so hard to keep you warm. If you notice, Ocho, when people get cold, what do they start doing? Shivering. That's your body trying to generate heat to warm you up. So that thing is minus 180. Man, I didn't like it. I didn't like it. 10 o 'clock, 10.30, then went back at like 6.
1:11:57Never again.
1:12:22Shannon Sharpe:Chitlins. Chitlins. Sardines. It was pig feed. Pig feed. I eat pig feed again. I fry some spams. Hey, I let somebody get some toast. You make some toast, fry that ham, that spam. I eat spam right now. Spam? Yeah. I ain't messing with no sardines. I ain't messing with nobody's chitlins. Well, you ain't, hey. I eat chitlins. Hold on, you won't eat no chitlins, but you'll eat raccoon? I sure will. And you gonna eat some too? Cause I got a guy, I done found a guy in New Orleans that's going to make us a raccoon stew. Me, you, and Joe. Oh, listen, I'm going to eat it. Listen, I eat anything. You got to worry about me.
1:12:59I'm going to try it. That's all we got to do, Joe.
1:13:00Shannon Sharpe:We got to try it. Joe, Unk, Unk, Ocho, and Iso Adventure. We got to eat everything. We got to eat Mountain Orsters. Ocho, Ocho, you and Joe got to try Bull, Dick, and Onions. Y 'all got to try all that pig. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Time out, time out, time out, time out, time out, time out, time out.
1:13:23Shannon Sharpe:I try the onions. I ain't even trying that. Listen, man, come on now. Hey, people thought I was lying. Go Google it right now, Ocho. Type it on Google and see what come up. You go see it. And if people eat it. I ain't heard of this one. I'm from some country. I know some country folks, man. Ask your grandma, your grandma still lied, Joe? Yeah, my grandma 84. Yeah, absolutely.
1:14:03Shannon Sharpe:I see how you try to slide that one in. Yeah, but you eat pig ear, pig tail? Nah, I don't eat pig ears. Oh, you ain't never had no pig ear sandwich? I had them, I just can't like, I don't know if it's how they was cooked, but I can't get, you know what I mean? Hey yo, let me get Ocho, yeah. It's kinda like the, what's the pig intestine stuff? Oh yeah, you talking about hog moth? Nah, the stuff we were just talking about. Oh, chitlins? Yeah. I can't even get past the smell. Yeah, you gotta smell bad of that. What about hog, you ever had the hog head cheese? I ain't had that. So I guess you were gonna have a trite.
1:14:50Shannon Sharpe:What about tongue? You ever had a cow tongue? I seen it, but I couldn't. Oh, God have mercy. Yeah, I done had a little cow tongue. I had a little cow tongue, a little chocolate-covered ants. What? Yeah, so we're gonna get that. We're gonna get that. Hey, I have heard you. We eating eyeballs, yeah. Everything, everything, everything. Everything. Josiah Twong said, Ocho, let me be your tech guy. I'm being serious. Hey, boy, listen, man. If you know anything about computers and Sony cameras, I can sure use it because I can't get my... I'm using my laptop camera right now. Hey, Joe, it's still clear?
1:15:31It's clear a little bit? I mean, you make it do. We make it do. Okay, but yeah, man. I don't know. I was in Best Buy. The Geek Squad ain't know what to do. The lady working in the camera section, she sat there with me for three hours joe sat there for three hours i bought a a new 13 inch computer because i thought that's what it was a new computer new camera no they're still it still didn't recognize it until they tried something called a cam link and we did the cam link and the computer was able to recognize the camera with the cam link once i plugged it into the to the port but then the elgato and the kit it keeps shutting off the night so now i'm still right back at square one we're gonna have some
1:16:13Shannon Sharpe:We're going to have chicken feet, chicken neck, chicken gizzards. Okay, gizzards. I know some gizzards. I like gizzards, too. Gizzards good. JJ said, how you deal with Ocho, man? What happened? Everything.
1:16:33Shannon Sharpe:JT513 says, Ocho, you from Miami. You can't load that clip. And can't. Who can't load that clip? I load my clip with my elbow, too. Whatever. What is it doing here? Uh, Tanaj said, Ash, please set up eight ball stream and fish the stream. First of all, Joe probably ain't been fishing in 25 years. Ocho ain't really never been fishing. Who ain't never fishing, huh? It's been a couple years. Hey, why did we throw my rod, huh? It's been a couple years. Lord have mercy. Boy, don't you go, you ain't going nowhere throwing no rod like that. I don't think that boy can do nothing. I'm gonna keep it real.
1:17:14Shannon Sharpe:First of all, why you throwing it with both hands? What you mean? I'm throwing it with one hand. No, first of all, if you going deep sea fishing, Ocho, I get it, and you wanna get spinning well out there. But if you fishing, let's just say you fishing in a pond, or you fishing in a lake, you just whip it out there like that, Ocho? Oh yeah, I care, cause that's a little pole, but I got the big pole, cause I'm thinking we were deep sea fishing. Oh, he throwing that big boy out there. Yeah, yeah. I already know. And you see the extension? You see how you throw? Oh Lord. Hey, you gotta wind it up.
1:17:53Shannon Sharpe:T-Cheese 215, once you turn 30 in professional sports, what do you do differently than you did your rookie year? Shoot, count down the time before they gonna let you go? Nah, well, I think that's where a lot of your eating habits, you know, you started to change them. You started to change them, eating them. And when you get about 30, man, you gotta change them eating habits. You can't wake up eating them chips and Zuzuz and Wim Wim. You got to get some real protein, starch, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like you gotta really fuel that body. That was probably the biggest change for me. You have, well, I started, I started, I was about 25, eating, then I started bringing my food.
1:18:34Shannon Sharpe:I was eating, you know, chicken breast, rice, broccoli, black eyed peas, and then I would have a steak a couple of times a week. I'd have eight-ounce filet, stuff like that. But you're absolutely right. I mean, my first couple of years, I was fast food every – I mean, Dairy Queen, Burger King, and McDonald's. Man, look, I could be headed to the game with a honey bun and some chips. I kept that Minute Maid juice. Honey bun and chip I had about four cards of that. Man, please. Hey, you just don't know no better when you're that young. You don't. DeJoyne Rockovic said, Uncle Ocho, y 'all played a vicious sport, but do y 'all think y 'all could make it through SEAL training and Hell Week?
1:19:19Shannon Sharpe:Hell no. Yeah, yeah. It all depends. What's it talking about? It all depends. See, that ain't really something I really aspired to do. Now, what I aspired to do, Ocho, was be a professional football player. So now, if you say, okay, Shanna, that's not an option. You know, football ain't an option. And I set my mind to it. You damn right. Because it's more mental than physical. Because there have been guys that was on the swim team can't make it through SEAL training because mentally they're not strong enough. So that's what it comes down to. But, I mean, being sleep deprived, man, you know how grouchy you are when you sleepy?
1:19:55Shannon Sharpe:Man. I mean, they got you going on two, three hours of sleep a day? Hey, I'll be walking in and ringing that bell. I see y 'all. Ding, ding, ding. Ding, ding, ding. I'll let y 'all later.
1:20:17Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I ain't much of a swimmer either. You can't swim, huh? I can, but you got, hey, man, they got your hands behind your back and you gotta stand up for an hour, or Joe, you just gotta... Hey, you gotta relax, huh? You gotta relax. Yeah, you know, I did a little Navy SEAL. You can't panic. Remember I did a Navy SEAL training? Yeah, you can't. You got to relax. That's why, hey, remember we had that discussion about being tied up. Yeah. The whole bedpost coming down. Hell, half your apartment coming down. Hell, nah. I do not like being restrained. Hell to the no. Hey, that's some kinky stuff. Yeah, man, man, please.
1:21:03Shannon Sharpe:Eagle Fan 78. Anthony R. are a home in Indy after this season. If not, where to? He's asking if Anthony Richardson will remain in Indy after this season. As a backup, they're going to get rid of him? I think they'll try to probably move. If this season keeps progressing the way it does, he has more value to them being traded than sitting on your bench.
1:21:38because you're not
1:21:40Shannon Sharpe:going to guarantee that fifth year option Ocho that's not you're not doing that not for that kind of money no
1:21:49Shannon Sharpe:Tino Davis said Uncle Ocho my uncle passed away today due to congestive heart failure he loved y 'all to death from the NFL tonight Capnades any words would be helpful Tino I'm sorry bro about your uncle passing man My condolences. So, yeah, death is never really easy to deal with. And someone that cared about you, we appreciate the support. We appreciate him following our NFL career. We appreciate him following us at nightcap. But hopefully you have peace and understanding and comfort in your troubled times. So, thank you, man. Thank you for the message. Thanks. But our thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family and anyone impacted by the passing of your uncle.
1:22:28Yeah.
1:22:30Shannon Sharpe:that that concludes this episode of Nightcap want to thank each and every one of you guys for joining us tonight as you saw A.R. Kobe of the Ozarks hit a walk off shot the Jays Toronto Blue Jays are one win away for winning their third World Series Championship we'll see if the Dodgers can keep this thing alive and force a game seven going back to Toronto So, please, Ike, y 'all know me. I'm your favorite Uncle Shannon Sharp. My partner and co-host, Liberty City's own. Bengals Ring of Fame honoree. Pro Bowler All-Pro. That's Chad Ochocinco Johnson. And the third member that joins us on Wednesday night, he's an Arkansas, University of Arkansas alum, University of Arkansas native.
1:23:14Shannon Sharpe:That's him, seven-time All-Star. Atlanta, Jersey, Phoenix, Miami, Utah. That's Ike's old Joe Johnson. Joe, thank you, man. Appreciate you. thank y 'all man make sure you hit that like button please make sure you hit the subscribe button and go subscribe to the nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from thank each and every one of you for your support and your continued support make sure you check out shade by laportier we have it in stock but if you can't find it in a city or state near you order it online laportiercognac.com and we'll ship it directly to your door please drink responsible and stay safe.
1:23:55Shannon Sharpe:Go follow my media company, Shea Shea Media, on all of its platforms, and my clothing company, 84. That link is pinned in the chat. We want to thank Mercedes Lewis for joining us. Tight end now for the Denver Broncos. Playing in his 20th season, he said this will be his 20th and final season. That's a long time to play in the NFL. I played 14. Ocho played 11. Joe, how many years you played in the NBA? 17, 18. They count the 18 because of the 10-day that I did with Boston, but 17. So, you understand, that's a long, long time to play. Man. And he at the point of contact. So, he ain't backside on nothing.
1:24:37Shannon Sharpe:He having to deal with those defensive ends. He's having a combo block. He's doing wham. He's doing scooping. He's setting the edge. So, congratulations, Mercedes, on a great career. Do well. Broncos, good looking. that's it for nightcap we'll see you tomorrow night after the ravens miami dolphins game in which the ravens will wait after the dolphins win i'm oh he's ocho he's iso we'll see you tomorrow night appreciate you joe yes sir appreciate you all right peace out
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