In short
Lecrae (and hosts Unc and Ocho) discuss Lecrae’s faith-and-hip-hop journey, misconceptions about Christian rap, and his album Reconstruction. The episode also reacts to a violent incident involving MMA fighter Raja Jackson attacking wrestler “Psycho Stu” at a Knox Pro Academy event, plus sports takes (NFL trades, Caleb Williams’ socks criticism, and Lamar Jackson rushing goals).
Guests (backgrounds)
Lecrae is a four-time Grammy-winning artist, author, actor, activist, and Christian hip-hop rapper. He released his 10th studio album Reconstruction, featuring T.I., Killer Mike, John Bellin, and Friday. Unc and Ocho are podcast hosts who discuss culture and sports; they reference Lecrae’s public persona and their own viewpoints.
Key claims
Lecrae says he didn’t grow up in church; his spiritual transformation came later, and he frames his music as relationship with God rather than legalistic religion. He argues hip-hop has become disposable and “hot takes,” and he positions himself as a bridge between old and new sounds. He says Christian rap faced early industry pushback (e.g., sponsorship refusals) and religious people “condemn” more than others. He says his album took a little over a year and a half, requiring him to “live some life.”
Notable examples
Lecrae describes being labeled “gospel rapper” at a Sacramento Kings practice by Bobby Jackson, and a player (Boogie) rejecting his mixtape as “gospel rap.” He also contrasts “religion vs relationship” using a marriage analogy. For the incident, Rampage Johnson claims Raja had a concussion from sparring days earlier, thought the attack was part of the show, and says “Psycho Stu” is awake and stable.
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Chapters
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0:00 to 0:34
Lecrae discusses his journey of merging his faith with hip-hop culture.
“When you're moving like I do, you don't always get a lot of lead time.”
Blending Faith and Hip-Hop
2:20 to 3:02
Lecrae discusses his journey of merging his faith with hip-hop culture.
“The album features T.I., Killer Mike, John Bellin, and Friday, here he is, Lecrae.”
The Current State of Hip-Hop
3:02 to 5:08
Lecrae shares his thoughts on the evolution and current trends in hip-hop.
“Listen, with you being a fan of hip-hop, what do you think about where the current state of hip-hop is right now?”
Influences and Inspirations
5:08 to 7:16
Lecrae talks about his musical influences and the impact of his upbringing.
“So when you're growing up and you talk about you listen to rap, so who are some of the influences?”
Misconceptions About Lecrae
7:16 to 10:19
Lecrae explains the common misconceptions people have about him as an artist.
“I don't, I don't, nobody wants you to come in condemning people.”
Connecting with the Audience
10:19 to 14:03
Lecrae emphasizes the importance of staying connected to the audience and relevant issues.
“I'm probably more like you than you know.”
Connecting with the People
14:03 to 15:06
Learn the importance of staying connected to the community to create meaningful art.
“Then I start coming up with some good concepts.”
The Cost of Outspokenness
15:06 to 16:16
Explore the challenges and missed opportunities faced when being outspoken about faith.
“So it took me a little over a year and a half because I had to live some life, man.”
Facing Criticism in Music
16:16 to 17:41
Understand the backlash artists face when labeled as gospel or Christian rappers.
“So, yes, I caught flack for that early on.”
Religion vs. Relationship
17:41 to 19:52
Discover the distinction between religious duty and genuine relationship with God.
“You can make a case more people done die behind religion than any other.”
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The Awakening Experience
19:52 to 21:45
Hear about the transformative awakening and the challenges of maintaining faith.
“went to high school with a guy we call him preacher his name is carrie mcneill and he's a pastor and everybody knew because as long as I can remember, he carried a Bible.”
Navigating Personal Growth
21:45 to 23:08
Learn about the struggles in personal growth and the importance of therapy.
“Like when a baby falls, you don't say, you stupid baby.”
The Impact of Upbringing
23:08 to 28:00
Examine how different life experiences and upbringing shape perspectives on faith.
“So it wasn't just, and you know, we couldn't get up there and say no happy Easter day.”
Healing Through Music and Support
28:00 to 29:10
Learn how music and support systems serve as healing outlets.
“You need some extra help to process some of the stuff that I was going through.”
Navigating Financial Wisdom
29:10 to 30:40
Discover the importance of financial literacy and the role of mentorship.
“So if at any point, you know, you want to work together.”
The Path to Monogamy and Self-Discovery
30:40 to 33:20
Explore the complexities of monogamy and the importance of personal wholeness.
“And then I'll be, you know, sometimes I'll be hanging with rappers and rappers be wanting to spend money.”
Breaking Generational Cycles
33:20 to 36:15
Understand the significance of being a present parent and breaking cycles.
“And I felt like, you know, I was running my race and then I started running my race.”
Encouragement and the Power of Reconstruction
36:15 to 39:40
Find motivation in the idea that God can reconstruct lives and purpose.
“limping, he done had to carry me you know what I'm saying, I always tell people listen I ain't a Christian cause I got it all together I'm a Christian because I'm weak and I need a savior, boy.”
Raja Jackson's Incident at Wrestling Event
43:01 to 46:03
A discussion about the violent incident involving Raja Jackson and Psycho Stu, including family statements.
“Raja knocked out Psycho Stu, then continued pummeling him long after he was down.”
Reactions to the Wrestling Incident
46:03 to 47:58
Hosts share their thoughts on the implications and reactions surrounding Raja Jackson's actions.
“When it comes to wrestling, obviously, it wouldn't be anything real.”
NFL Updates: Carson Wentz and Caleb Williams
47:58 to 49:12
Discussion on NFL trades and player performance, focusing on Carson Wentz and Caleb Williams.
“But this is a very, very, very, very unfortunate situation.”
Lamar Jackson's Career and Potential
49:12 to 56:05
Analysis of Lamar Jackson's playing style, career achievements, and future potential.
“McCarthy is going to be fine as long as brother Justin Jefferson is healthy.”
Ranking AFC and NFC Wide Receiver Duos
56:43 to 1:01:08
Ocho and the hosts discuss the rankings of each NFL team's wide receiver duo.
“To honor our country on its 250th birthday, this can of Copenhagen goes out to those defending the free American soil that our tobacco has taken root in for over two centuries and counting.”
Fastest Players in NFL History
1:01:08 to 1:07:19
A detailed discussion about the fastest players in NFL history and their speed.
“And I like Jaden Daniels, but I don't think him and McLaurin belong in front of golf and Almond Ra.”
Kobe Bryant Movie Announcement
1:07:19 to 1:10:00
Discussion about the new movie focusing on Kobe Bryant's draft day and legacy.
“Think about how many track runners can just run in a straight line.”
Reminiscing with Kobe
1:10:00 to 1:11:10
Reflecting on personal conversations and memories with Kobe Bryant.
“I know the finished product that I got to see on ESPN.”
Q&A Segment Begins
1:11:10 to 1:14:33
Engaging with fans' questions and discussing various NFL topics.
“Q and A Damn man I remember I just posted a picture for Kobe's birthday.”
NFL Rivalries and Player Insights
1:14:33 to 1:18:10
Discussing rivalries in the NFL and personal experiences on the field.
“I think that's what the consensus is, was, is that a guy that you're going to keep on the roster, put him in a situation that he might actually see come game time.”
Shout-outs and Closing Remarks
1:18:10 to 1:20:16
Offering birthday shout-outs and closing the show with gratitude.
“Ocho, did you get a chance to attend any soccer?”
Shout-outs and Closing Remarks
1:20:22 to 1:21:54
Offering birthday shout-outs and closing the show with gratitude.
“Hopefully you can see that on your screen.”
Shout-outs and Closing Remarks
1:22:21 to 1:22:54
Offering birthday shout-outs and closing the show with gratitude.
“Speeds vary due to local network characteristics and management.”
Transcript
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2:06Ocho:Oh, our special guest has joined us. When? Four-time Grammy Award-winning artist, author, actor, activist, His 10th studio album, Reconstruction, just released. The album features T.I., Killer Mike, John Bellin, and Friday, here he is, Lecrae. How you doing, bro? What's going on with y 'all, man? How y 'all doing? Man, I'm doing good. I'm doing good. Yeah. Help me understand this. You blended faith with hip-hop. I mean, growing up, I'm sure with this, you probably came up in the church, but you also listen to rap so how did you come up with the combination like you know what i'm a blender too i'm gonna be honest with you i didn't grow up in church you know you did what no i didn't grow up in church okay i like it i like this yeah so so how so how do how did we get this yeah i grew up i grew up you know just loving rap i grew up loving rap i really wasn't i would look at church kids i thought that was lame i thought it was corny I didn't grow up in church I was a free thinker My mama was fed by the Black Panthers She just was like Don't get caught up in all that religion They got too many rules You can't wear pants You can't wear lipstick For me I just didn't We didn't go to church for real I got to explore on my own And just see what was real I tried out all kinds of stuff and you know uh i i love hip-hop i love rap music that was my thing and so when i did meet the lord i had a spiritual transformation you know like as a grown man yes it was already there it was like all right how am i how do i combine what i already know in this new revelation you dig what i'm saying so yes that's kind of what it was for me yeah so i relate i relate to to people who you know are on the fringes.
4:10You know, the churches, the greenhouse. I like the jungle. I like that. Listen, with you being a fan of hip-hop, what do you think about where the current state of hip-hop is right now? Truthfully. Yeah, I mean, so hip-hop, I consider myself a part of hip-hop. If I'm healthy, it's healthy. But this is what I say. you got a lot of youngins out there who don't don't know about what what it used to be right so they're not learning from the past in order to make the present better you dig what i'm saying so a lot of it is disposable music a lot of it is just hot takes and just a lot of stuff so you know i like when you can mix the two i like when you can take the old and mix it with the new and then you got something good so there's some stuff that's out there that i dig that i like and then there's some stuff that I'm like, man, y 'all ain't going to be here in two years.
5:07You know what I mean? Like, y 'all going to be gone.
5:10Ocho:So when you're growing up and you talk about you listen to rap, so who are some of the influences? Yeah, I listen to everything. So, like, you got to understand, I grew up single parent household. You know, no role model. Daddy ran with the Compton Crips. Uncles, gang members. I don't have no healthy male influences. So to me, rappers were like my mom and dad. So I grew up listening to everything. I listened to, I mean, you name it, I listened to it. Old school, new school. I would go back to before I was born. I would listen to Houdini, Eazy-E. Then I go to Tupac. And then I go to Lil Wayne. Then I go to DMX and Jay-Z.
5:56Like everything. I listened to it all.
6:00Ocho:so do you feel like that christian hip-hop has it broken into mainstream or is there still more work for you to do and others to do i think it's breaking now because people are tired of the same old same old music wise and and so i came in i come kicking the door in you know what i mean so when i first got started everybody looked at me like i was crazy they looked at me like an alien i would come to interviews and they would touch me and they'd be like so where your choir robe at You know what I mean? Where your choir robe at? And what is this? And what do you rap about? Jesus is God. And ha, ha, ha.
6:32And I'm like, come on, bro. Like, come on, man. Get out of here. So once I had the, I did the BET Cypher. And when I did that, they didn't even know what category to put me in. So they put me with the international people. So then when I get on there and I start cutting up, then they're like, man, dude, it's raw. Like, you know, then hip hop start paying attention and they, you know, so now, you know, the rapper rappers are like, man, I like Buddy, you know, the game and Royce the five nine. And, you know, I Beyonce even was like, man, she saw my video like, man, you know, so then people was like, OK, he nice.
7:09And now I think because I had to take all them lashes, this younger group of dudes behind me, it's easy for them. Yeah, they just they just got to be dope and they got to know how to, you know, don't know. I don't, I don't, nobody wants you to come in condemning people. You know what I'm saying? Like we, we may not condone, but we do not condemn. Yes. We listen, but we don't judge. You dig what I'm saying? Like, listen, that's you and God got to have some conversations. I came to tell you my journey, my story, tell you what the Lord had told me. You know, if it, if it hits you, it hits you. If it don't, it don't, you know what I'm saying?
7:43Like that's how I move. Was it, was it difficult for you, especially when you think about hip hop now and the sound hip hop is completely different as opposed to how it was 10 years ago when it comes to you and making your music and your sound were you ever what's the word i'm looking for we ever um was there any any discomfort in wanting to stay true to your normal sound and in what you do being in today's era of music sounds completely different than what it used to be yeah i think i'm a bridge you know like i'm a i i i i'm in i'm in the middle like i'm little bro to the old school but i'm big bro to the new school i'm in the middle of two generations like j cole would say you know i'm in that kendrick drake cole like space and so for me it's like i learned from them but i learned from but i learned from them and i live with them too so i just feel like i'm a i'm comfortable in both worlds.
8:42You know what I'm saying? I'm comfortable in what I'm like. Yeah, I'm like Travis Hunter on the field. You know what I'm saying? I'm offense, defense. Yeah, yeah. That's what's up. I like what I'm saying. I'm fitting both spaces.
8:53Ocho:I like that. Yeah. Let me ask you this. I think I'm very interested in this. What do you think the biggest misconception is that people still have about you, the man, versus you, the Christian rapper? Come on. I know you grew up in church, Shannon, so I already know. I was a junior deacon I sang in a junior choir that makes so much sense that's why you a mess now
9:21that makes perfect sense he's definitely a mess the ones who grow up in it be like man I'm out here you feel what I'm saying no for me you know you gotta think like like for a lot of folks who grew up in church i don't have the same baggage i don't have the same trauma i don't i don't have like seeing like like the you know people doing one thing on sunday another thing on monday like i don't yeah i grew up seeing all of that stuff so i don't have the trauma i don't have the the baggage that a lot of people have growing up now i got different stuff from being a rapper and the church having some issues with me i got different stuff from being a black man and like standing up for the rights of black people in church having some issues with that but i don't have a lot of that church trauma my mama got a lot of that but i just don't have it so for me the misconceptions people come in expecting me to to know the hymns and i don't know the hymns i didn't grow up listening to gospel i only like like kirk franklin and uh fred hammond i only got a couple that i really grew up that i know right so so the misconceptions don't, like I'm like, bro, I'm not what you think I am.
10:39I'm probably more like you than you know. You know what I mean?
10:42Ocho:So you didn't grow up with James Cleveland and Shirley Caesar and the Mississippi Mass Choir, Alabama and Archie and the Five Blythe Boys. Mighty Clouds of Joy. Mighty Clouds of Joy. That's damn spirituals. When I tell you, bro, I'll be with my wife. My wife grew up in church. And she'd be like, that's James Cleveland. I'm like, I don't know who you're talking about. They asked me to do this tour and mcdonald's gospel tour i'm on the tour and i'm like they're like man you up there with the legends i'm like i don't know none of these people i never heard none of their music i ain't gonna lie to you right you know mary mary you know so every night i'm getting on stage and all the church moms just got their arms folded up looking at me like what you doing here and then i just get to tell them i say hey you may not like what i do but you got a son in jail you got a grandson who you know i'm saying who needs something different to listen to i i speak they language you dig what i'm saying it's like when david tried to put that armor on it didn't fit he's like this don't fit me you know give me a sling and some stones i'm gonna get the job that's me i'm like just give me the sling and the stone that that that the choir robe don't fit me i like that you know what i'm saying so where you grew up at where you from originally so so originally i'm houston texas okay and then over the years i moved to the west coast and now i'm in atlanta so you I got that little hybrid of South and West.
12:02Ocho:You pretty much stayed in the Bible Belt because you know the South, that's the Bible Belt. Yeah. No, for sure. For sure. When I left to the West Coast, that's when I was a little freer. Right. But I get it. I got a lot of homeboys who grew up in church, and I'd be like, in my mind, I'm like, what are you doing? Is you in or are you out? When I'm smoking, I'm smoking. I'm not smoking and going to Sunday school like this. I just didn't understand it. Like, it was a weird concept for me. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, it's like, man, we finna go on this church trip. I'm finna get with Sarita.
12:36I'm like, why you go on a church trip to get with a girl? Why don't you just go to the club? I don't understand. I like it. Foreign concept to me. Go ahead, Ocho. No, I was going to say, I really enjoyed it. I was able to listen to the album earlier today. I enjoyed the new album, Reconstruction, you know, Life, Due for the Park, H2. holidays how long how long normally does it take you to have a vision and would you create when it comes to making an album how long does it actually take yeah if i'm not inspired the music gonna be it's not gonna it's not gonna hit a nerve right you know what i mean it's just i'm dialing it in so it's got to be inspiration and and inspiration see i think y 'all could probably relate to this like it's the reason why people like y 'all so the reason why people connect with y 'all is because they feel like y 'all connected to the culture.
13:27Y 'all don't feel so high and mighty, even though I know Shannon be on his private jets eating sandwiches and the whole nine. You know what I'm saying? I own Delta. You know what I'm saying? I know you be on your private jet, but I'm more like Ocho. They mad at me because I don't spend enough money. You know what I'm saying? That's my vibe. My boy was mad at me today. He said, come on, man. Just spend another$56 and upgrade the vehicle when you go to the rental car place. I'm just going from A to B. It don't make difference to me you dig what i'm saying right but but uh you know um that i forgot what i was what you asked me again oh i'm gonna take the big inspiration yeah yeah um so what i was gonna say is when i'm connected to the people i feel like i'm i can talk about issues that are relevant you know if my pastor said something that was dope he said uh you know i was going through the motions and just you know he said hey man you smell like cologne in green rooms he said you need to get some some some sheep stuff on your feet man you don't you need to smell like it's like the sheep and what he was saying was you need to be connected to the people who need help and who who you know i'm saying you in the green rooms and you on the private jets and you ain't really connected to the people so for me it's like man i gotta ride the public transportation on one day you know i need to go to mcdonald's and just pull up and i'm gonna dap everybody up and i'm gonna you know i'm saying and then i get in the studio and i'm writing for that kid who you know is 28 and he's still working at McDonald's and he's trying to figure out what his life's going to look like.
14:59And you dig what I'm saying? So then I get in the studio. Then it get real for me. Then I start coming up with some good concepts. And that's how you get that album. So it took me a little over a year and a half because I had to live some life, man. I like that. I like that. I like that.
15:13Ocho:You realize in any aspect, when you become outspoken, it potentially costs you opportunities. You've spoken openly about your faith. Do you feel that's cost you some opportunities? it did early early on you know what i'm saying i mean you know i think people are more open to spirituality nowadays like even gen z like they open to it it's not like taboo like it used to be you know what i'm saying so early on it was like i couldn't get a sponsorship or you know like oh man i got the number one album in the country i beat maroon five you know what i'm saying and i and i can't get a verizon deal like come on verizon like holla at me you know what i mean but it's like, well, we don't want to offend nobody.
15:53And I'm like, bro, you got rappers who are literally junkies rapping about being junkies and you giving them deals. You know what I'm saying? I'm sitting here giving people hope and talking about relevant matters. And, you know, me, T.I. Killer Mike, we got a song grieving the loved ones that we lost. I'm like, come on, man, what are we doing here? So, yes, I caught flack for that early on. and then I just you know just hate because people was like gospel rap christian rap I remember I'll never forget bro I I went my uh um shout out to uh Bobby Jackson when he was coach of the Sacramento Kings you know he he loved the Lord he said hey man why don't you come to a practice I said for sure man I'll be honored you know so I'm in the practice you know players shooting around he pull all the players together he like hey y 'all uh I had my little my box this back when I had mixtapes when we listened to CDs.
16:48You know what I'm saying? My box of mixtapes. And Bobby Jackson said, hey, y 'all, gather around. Gather around. Y 'all, we got us a gospel rapper here today. And I was like, oh, no, Bobby, you shouldn't have said that. You should have just said a rapper. You know what I'm saying? You should have, ah. You know, not that I don't love the Lord, but I just knew what their brain was going to think when they heard that. So as soon as he said that, you could just see everybody be like, man. And so then I got my little mixtape. I'm like trying to pass out my mixtape. It's free. And then I heard, and one of the players, man, I ain't going to say his name, but, you know, Boogie took my CD and said, I don't want no gospel rep.
17:27You dig what I'm saying? And I was like, wow. Wow. You know, so, you know, it was wild, man. That's the type of stuff I used to have to deal with. Now it's cool, but back in the day, man, it was rough. Who do you think judge you harder?
17:42Ocho:Past as a rapper? Is that a question? Yeah. What? Who killed Jesus? The religious people. What? They say you playing with the Lord. Man, the religious people, boy. Boy? They will crucify you, boy. You can make a case more people done die behind religion than any other. The funny thing about it, the most religious that condemn everything else outside of what their beliefs may be they do the worst things behind closed doors and that's you see so that's why i tell people you know i got a song on the album called erase me i i don't push religion i push relationship you dig what i'm saying because yes let's just let's look at it like like my wife for instance if i'm if i'm religion is rules and duty if i come home at night and i'm not gonna bedroom door i say hey baby uh it's my duty to get you these flowers so here you go.
18:44I'm sleeping on the couch. You know what I'm saying? But if I come home and if it's about relationship, then I say, you know what, girl? I was thinking about you all day. I love the relationship that we got. And I was just thinking about how awesome you are, how much I appreciate you. And I got you these flowers just to show you my love for you. That's relationship. And it's going to be a good night. Yeah, I see what you're saying.
19:07Ocho:I see what you're putting down. I see what you're putting down. I see what you're putting down. and so does she yeah okay and so here's the thing all i'm saying is if you treating god like it's religion like duty that ain't you all you're doing is following orders and as soon as you feel like he ain't looking you're gonna wild out but if you got a good relationship with him then you're gonna do stuff because you like man i love you man i just want to do what you want me to do it ain't me following rules so that's what i'm saying i don't rock with the legalistic rule following religious folk i'm with people who got such a good relationship with god they don't want to do nothing stupid because it's like man i got a good relationship that's what i'm on how were you when you when when the lord spoke to you or you got that say you know what this is my calling um i i went to high school with a guy we call him preacher his name is carrie mcneill and he's a pastor and everybody knew because as long as I can remember, he carried a Bible.
20:06Ocho:I mean, he had to be, he probably was like 11, 12 years old and he carried that Bible and we called him preach. I don't think anybody called him his real name except the school teachers. Everybody called him preacher. And sure enough to this day, he's a pastor. How old were you when you received the word, when you received the call and said, you know what, this is what I want you to do. This is the page I'm about to be on. I think I was 1920 I started getting real sick because you know 1920 I was like alright I met God this is real I want to change but you know how it is with anybody when they have an awakening they be real passionate it's like when your friend first become a vegan he like man don't eat no meat don't eat no meat you don't need to eat meat meat is bad I got a vegan spot over here you know you just on fire like it's an awakening so i have my awakening but then you know real life hits you and you realize like okay wait a minute this excitement is great but i still gotta live real life and then you start having problems and then the temptations come along and and then you know when you mess up which i did because you know uh the ladies was a struggle for me.
21:24You dig what I'm saying? I'm 20 years old. So you dig what I'm saying? So for me, I was like, well, I messed up so bad. I can't really go back out. You feel what I'm saying? Because I don't want to be no hypocrite. But the reality was, you know, a lot of times that shame keeps us from growing. It's like a baby taking steps. Like when a baby falls, you don't say, you stupid baby. Why are you falling? You say, it's all right. Get it up. Keep walking. So that's what I needed to get up and keep walking. And so 20, about 23, I was real serious. But I wasn't like your man. What's his name? That you was just talking about.
22:03The preacher man. Kurt Franklin? No, your man that you went to school with. Oh, yeah, Kerry. Kerry McNeil, a preacher. I wasn't like him. Okay. You did what I'm saying. I was just, because I had models of dudes who was, they still kept their sauce, but they love God. You see what I'm saying? if I'm being honest with you I don't know your brother that well but I feel like I was probably like your brother because when your brother got up to do his hall of fame speech man that was that to me is the way you you walk your faith out it ain't it what it didn't feel like he was like now everybody open up to the book of 32 songs you know what I'm saying yeah he just was like being real was a real moment he shared his love for his brother he talked about what God did you know what I'm saying?
22:49I'm like, man, you got to love that. You got to respect that. Yeah.
22:53Ocho:You wouldn't know that if you just met him, you wouldn't know that. Um, and I don't remember when he actually became, but he was always, you know, you know, we, like Ochoa said, we, we, we were actually junior deacons. We had to lead devotional service. We had to lead prayer. So it wasn't just, and you know, we couldn't get up there and say no happy Easter day. We had to say this long, long speech that took at least a minute minute and a half or we had to pray or we had to do something so our grandfather you know kept us very very involved in the church and uh but like you said I kind of went away from that because it's like when you make somebody do something all the time so we had to go to bible study we had to go to choir practice we got to go to this and we at church you know every every single Sunday and we at bible study and we at devotional and we add all this stuff i'm like man as soon as i ain't got to go i ain't going he he kept like when i went to college i was like well i ain't got no church even though there's a church right across the street from the school yeah yeah he like went to college and found the church and still oh wow and yeah and went and i remember i remember I remember one year he got me a gift, had it in a nice little box and everything.
24:14Ocho:I was like, oh, but bro, to hook it up, we both in the lead. Yeah.
24:20Ocho:He left it at the house in Glenville, my grandmother's house. And Libby said, my sister Libby called Libby, he'll call a book. She said, Spanky left your birthday gift in the room. I was like, okay. it was a bible you thought it was gonna be you thought he gonna put you with some ice
24:43Ocho:to this day as a matter of fact i still and then what i thought about it like man bible denver broncos shannon sharp number 85 got all the stuff on it i mean it's like it's one of my it's one of my most prized possession because i know he gave he gave it to me the sincerity in which he gave it to me that's what that's what meant the most he could have bought me anything could have bought me a car could have bought me a chain but it was this like this and uh that that bible means that bible means a lot to me and i he still he still calls me hey to the day he'll call out of the blue and i don't know how he knows god is giving him a special ability because when i really need it because he can man he can he can he can he can get through to me when a lot of other people can't.
25:34Ocho:And he's just like, hey, get in your Bible. Yeah. He gave you what was precious to him. You know what I'm saying? He gave you what was precious to him. And now I have to just take a pause for a second because you said something and it hit me. You said buck and spanky, right? Yeah. Yeah, it hit me. Y 'all countryed in a month. We definitely I grew up in rural South Georgia. We had about 3 ,500 people. We had about 350 people in my high school. I had, I think, 58, 59 people in my graduating class. So, yeah, we've... When you got somebody black walking around, you still calling them Buck in the 1900s?
26:21Ocho:Bro, I mean, you get a nickname. If you're in the South and you got a nickname, oh, that's your name for life. For life, yeah, Buck. Even in your obituary, They're going to put your real name, but they're going to put your nickname in parentheses. What was your nickname? I didn't have, I mean, I didn't really, they called me. Yeah, you did. Nah, nah, nah. Most of the time, they called me Chateau. Why? Because I liked the final things when I was growing up. I was spending all my money on the IZON shirt. Yeah. I spent all my money on the IZON shirt. I might have$30. My brother would go get like three shirts.
26:58Ocho:I'm going to get one shirt. So they started calling me Chateau. But, uh, but you know what? It's funny that it's, it's, it's funny that you say that and your experience, because everybody, how they, how they, they receive God, when they receive God, everybody goes through, everybody goes through, goes through something. And for you not to have gone through anything traumatic, you said, Hey, you just felt it was that it was that time. He had spoke to you earlier. You kind of like started trying, like you all gung ho, like, nah, I'm going to put that aside because I'm wilding out. He ain't pleased with me right now, but guess what?
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27:35Ocho:You came right back. I had my season. You know what I mean? My childhood was crazy. My mama was great, but I just did a bunch of stupid stuff growing up. I had a lot of trauma I hadn't processed anyway. For me, it was like trying to work through that. It was like some stuff It's like, yes, you need God. You need the Bible. You need prayer. But you also need therapy, my dog. You know what I'm saying? You need some extra help to process some of the stuff that I was going through. And the music was a therapy for me for a season. Just like I had to get this stuff off my chest and just, you know what I mean?
28:13Let people, you know, let me. It helped heal. It was healing for me. So that's why, you know. But that was my outlet. You know what I'm saying? And it was kind of like, you know, I never had – now the crazy part, I'm 6 '4". You know what I mean? My dad is 6 '5". My brother's 6 '7". And, you know, we didn't grow up with my pops. If we would have grew up with my pops, I feel like if I would have had – he was like a playground all-star. If I would have had him, I felt like somebody would have pushed me towards – my mama didn't know sports. The coach was like, well, you should let me take him. She's like, no, I don't like that.
28:48I feel like I might have had a different path, a different life. You may not have heard my music. You may have seen me. That ain't what God intended for you, bro. Exactly.
28:59Ocho:You dig what I'm saying? Exactly. He going to put you on the road where you need to be when you need to be there. Yeah. All right. With me. Yeah. I've been in the studio. I have a background in gospel as well. I sang in the junior choir. I sang with the senior choir. So if at any point, you know, you want to work together. Yo, man. I mean, I'm here. I'm here. Let me tell you something, man. I know hip hop. We heard. Yeah, we can intertwine it, too. And we can do God's work. I'm going to pray about that. Because, you know what I'm saying? Let me pray about that. Please, please pray for it. Let me pray about that.
29:46I could. I could. Let's just start off on just you being like my financial advisor. Okay. You know what I'm saying? We can start there. See, that's why I love you. That's why I love you because it's about baby steps. It's about people you walk. So I can help you in the area of being financially savvy and financially conscious, my brother. That's right. And then we can go on tour. Because God gave me the money to be a good steward with it. See. You know what I'm saying? No. And if I don't, you see, everybody need coaches. Yes. You know what I'm saying? So I just like you can coach me on how to not spend the bag.
30:22Right. You know what I mean? Hey, listen, I'm gonna tell you one thing. Yeah. I got a sister named Ruth and I'm gonna tell you the truth.
30:32We gonna make magic, right? We gonna make magic. I'm with you, man. I'm with you. Cause listen, I, you know what I'm saying? I'm, I don't, I'm, I'm tight. And then I'll be, you know, sometimes I'll be hanging with rappers and rappers be wanting to spend money. and I'm like, man, y 'all really just be out here.
30:48Ocho:I just, I ain't doing like that. I need to hold on to mine. You feel me? Hey, as a matter of fact, this is, all right, I'm going to get a little serious now. I'm not even playing. All right. It's about finances. Okay. That's my area of expertise. Uh-huh. I'm brilliant in that area when it comes to saving and finding deals and stuff like that. But then I'm going to need you to talk to me. Okay. Okay, come on. Listen, marriage and your 20s, not having the discipline you had. You could, boom, coach your boy up in that area because I'm trying to get to the promised land. Yeah, I think I can help you, bro.
31:26I think I can help you, bro.
31:28Ocho:I'm not even proud. Yeah, your problem is you done been to the promised land far too many times. Right. You get what I put down? Now you wandering in the desert right now, my brother. You got to get out the desert. You see what I'm saying? You got to get out the desert. You got to quit striking the rock. to get water out of it. You dig what I'm saying? Just let the Lord bring you the living water. You dig what I'm saying? He brought it to me, but this time I want to make sure I'm drinking it the right way. Okay. I'm with you. Help me understand this because I think it's extremely hard if you think if you've really never been monogamous in a relationship, you think the first time that you're going to be monogamous is when you get marriage i think that's that you set yourself up for failure yeah yeah go ahead go ahead i'm gonna let you take it away because you know i was saying you need some training wheels you need some training wheels yeah no real talk yeah i know this from experience yes because i i think people think that marriage solves but it does not no no because if you're looking to find wholeness in another person, you're going to fail every time.
32:45You know what I'm saying? People be saying, oh, I want somebody to complete me. Well, if you don't feel like you're a complete person, you don't need to be getting with nobody else. You feel what I'm saying? You a half a person right now? You need to chill and get yourself whole.
33:02Ocho:Happiness is not something you find. Happiness is something you create. yeah man i think you're not someone else or found in someone else yeah like like you know you know we i got married young because i knew i was like i didn't have all the answers i didn't know exactly everything i knew i wanted to follow god i want to do it the right way um i i i was blessed you know i'm saying i was young and i made you know a decision based off of what i knew at the time i was blessed to get somebody who's amazing but i will say from coming from being a young but listen i i was i i i pledged kappa alpha psi at middle tennessee state university it was it's a wild situation so i could imagine it was a wild situation you did what i'm saying we going tsu we going to fisk i'm going to texas i'm going to prairie view i was like it was kind are crazy so what i what i had to do was i had to develop some discipline as a single man before i could really jump into a relationship you know what i'm saying i had to you gotta get it you gotta get it under control yeah that's right that's right yeah so i had to develop some discipline as a single man and realize hey i can chill i can't let me just be you know uh uh uh abstain and learn to just let me walk with God.
34:33And I felt like, you know, I was running my race and then I started running my race. I'm running after the Lord. I'm just doing what I'm supposed to do. Get my, my life together, my finance together. I'm focused, I'm running. And then I hear somebody running next to me. I said, Oh shoot, she's trying and she fast.
34:51See, that's how it happened to me. That's just, just like that. Cause I was running. You hear me? and before I looked up I looked up you know somebody was running with me so what I did right away what I did right away is I went and got baptized because the last one started wearing off this man is crazy I'm just kidding for me it was a mental reset it was a mental reset so I've been on point for you know for some time since this person like joined Messiah So I'm like, I want to go to the promised land where you at, though. Okay. Okay. So, boom. That's my little therapy. Now my man said it started wearing off.
35:37The water started drying up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had to take another dip. This man is wild.
35:52Ocho:What do you think thus far? you're still young man what do you think your greatest accomplishment is thus far is it your faith, your walk with God, the studio album the success, what do you think your greatest accomplishment is? It sure ain't my walk with God, my walk with God boy boy I'm gonna make it to heaven limping, he done had to carry me you know what I'm saying, I always tell people listen I ain't a Christian cause I got it all together I'm a Christian because I'm weak and I need a savior, boy. Boy, he didn't have to carry me in there, boy. So those footprints, those footprints, those set of footprints, that's him carrying you.
36:33Ocho:That's not you walking along. Facts. Big facts. Yeah. I mean, you know, you get a renewed mind. You get a new nature. You know, you start following as he leads and guides. But, you know, you're still human and you got to wrestle through your humanity. But for me, you know, I didn't have all of the things, number one albums, success, all the trappings of success. I didn't have all them things. And I thought that was going to make me feel accomplished. I thought that was going to bring me a sense of satisfaction. What I realize is it's never enough. You only climb a mountain, get to the top to realize, oh, there's another mountain.
37:16you know what i'm saying it's like oh man it's just and then you get to the top of one and now you fighting everybody else trying to get up there so you can keep your spot like you know i mean it's just kind of like think about it if you think about you get yourself a super bowl ring as soon as the next season start what you're doing trying to get another one you know what i'm saying chasing another one so i i feel like the greatest accomplishment for me if i'm being honest is being a present father in my kids lives because i never had that right that's the that's it's breaking a cycle i don't know my mama don't know her dad or she knows her dad she didn't grow up with her dad i don't know if he grew up with his dad my dad didn't grow up with his dad i didn't grow up with my dad so for me it's breaking that cycle and now my kids are being raised with their father present in their lives you know what i mean like i'm gonna be the first grandfather they that that's going to exist.
38:14Like I never knew a grandfather, like a biological grandfather. I never knew that. My mama ain't never knew a grandfather. So I'm going to be the first grandfather that any generation in our family has seen in generations. Wow. It's crazy.
38:28Ocho:Yeah. Man, Lecrae, thank you for stopping by, man. We really appreciate your time. Much continued success. Four-time Grammy Award winning artist. He's an author. He's an activist. He's an actor. his 10th studio album, Reconstruction, with album features from T.I. Killer Mac, John Bellin, and Friday. Man, continued success. Congratulations on your walk with God. We all can use that. And trust me. Trust me. Amen. I know you know. So listen, man. Before you dip, I was going to say that, man. Listen, I always tell people this. I say it all the time, and I'm telling y 'all as well, man. Be encouraged, because if you woke up today, that means God ain't done right in your story.
39:10so man you know keep pressing bro keep pressing like we ain't no like people throw people away god don't throw nobody away that's why my album called reconstruction you know what i'm saying god don't throw people away god figure out how to reconstruct them into something better than they was so man i just want to tell you that man be encouraged like you know you you valuable you you got worth purpose and man listen you know we we we we gonna we gonna continue rocking with you supporting you praying for you and man you know i love y 'all man appreciate y 'all thank y 'all for
39:39Ocho:having me on the nightcap you did thank you bro i appreciate that man continued success yeah much love look great chat man that was that was unbelievable conversation ocho oh that was dope that's one of the best conversations i think we've had we've had a lot of people come on here and have a conversation um but i think that's one of our better conversations i know i definitely needed to hear a lot of what he was saying yeah yeah yeah quiet confidence it's not what you see It's what you feel. A suit tailored just for you. A perfectly timed guy's trip. Choosing On Plus nicotine pouches over rough corners and edges.
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43:01Ocho:The shocking moment unfolded at a private Knox Pro Academy wrestling event. Raja knocked out Psycho Stu, then continued pummeling him long after he was down. Raja's dad, Rampage Johnson, put out a statement, I want to clear up misinformation about my son Raja. I've been confirmed that the wrestler Stuart Smith, a.k.a. Psycho Stu, is awake and stable. Raja was unexpectedly hit in the head of the head by him moments before the Smiths match. Rajah was told that he could get his payback in the ring. I thought it was a part of the show. It was bad judgment and a work that went wrong. Rajah is an MMA fighter, not a pro wrestler, and he had no business being involved in an event like this.
43:47Ocho:I don't condone my son's actions at all. He suffered a concussion from sparring only days ago and had no business doing anything remotely close to physical contact. As a father, I'm deeply concerned with his health and his well-being of Mr. Smith. That being said, I'm very upset that any of this happened, but my main concern now that Mr. Smith will make a speedy recovery, I apologize on behalf of Kik for this situation. Video later emerged of the incident that happened hours before. Let's take a look at this, Ocho. Hey, I see that. Oh! Oh, you know what? That was easy, easy, easy. He's not a f***ing worker, bro.
44:27I don't know. Yeah, what the f*** was that? You good, you good, you good, you good. What the f*** was that? You don't sell it? No, he's not a f***ing worker, bro. What the f*** was that? Hold on, hold on, hold on.
44:37Ocho:I don't play that shit, bro. I'm sorry. Nah, I will f*** him up, bro. I know, I know you will. We're good. I will f*** him up, bro. I know you will. Hey, I'm... I'm confused. What did he do to his head? Did he hit him? Did he smack him? I mean, it was... It's supposed to have been a prop. So I guess they were supposed to be rehearsing. Okay, okay. And they were supposed to take this into the, just like it's scripted, just like WWE. Yeah, like wrestling, yes. Yeah, yeah. And so I guess he suffered, his dad, Rampage, said he suffered a concussion earlier, I guess in a sparring session. Right. Because I saw that video where he got kicked in the head and he kind of stumbled a little bit.
45:23Ocho:Oh, I saw that when I saw that. I saw that on Twitter. Okay, okay, okay. And then you see a situation like this. Right. You got to be careful, you know, putting people in situations that they're not used to. Right. Because so now they're telling him, oh, now you can get your opportunity to get back. Well, he thought he was getting back because he picked the guy up and he, you know, he power slammed him. And the first thing to hit was the psycho dude's head. So once he slammed him, he's out. Right. He's out. And is that where he kept punching dude? I saw. Yes. And I guess they thought it was a part of the script because nobody intervened.
45:57Ocho:Right. And then they realized, like, nah, this ain't a part of the script. Right. That's tough. That's tough. It is. It is. When it comes to wrestling, obviously, it wouldn't be anything real. I mean, that's unfortunate. That's unfortunate. Dude is okay now, though, right? Dude that – That's what Rampage said, that he's awake. But I'm just going by what Rampage said. So it's fine. I don't know. That's tough, man. That's tough. I'm not sure why he would go on with the fight if he felt insulted at the beginning he didn't have to do it I think they told him he went through with it because now you can get your payback so he was there's no payback to get if it's not real if it's not real and it's scripted there's no payback to get you should just call it off of anything but I don't think they thought it would get to this.
46:55Ocho:You know what I'm saying? It's like, you know, he snapped. There's no way around it. You hear stories of somebody blacking out and just going crazy, going haywired. He snapped. He did. Because that's when you, what, in law enforcement, that's what they call overkill. Yes, sir. When somebody gets stabbed 100 times, a lot of times the knife is still going into the same wound. That's overkill. What he did was he snapped. He just lost his ability to stop. Damn, man.
47:43Ocho:It's a very tough situation for all parties involved. Hopefully, Rajak gets the assistance that he needs. Hopefully, Psycho Stu, he makes a full and speedy recovery. But this is a very, very, very, very unfortunate situation.
48:05Ocho:Vikings trade quarterback Sam Howell to the Eagles, signed quarterback Carson Wentz. Ocho, do you like Carson Wentz mentoring J.J. McCarthy? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Carson Wentz, once who had success, a lot of success with the Eagles before Jalen Hurts took over. Carson Wentz was extremely good and very promising before tearing his ACL, if you don't remember. So I think him mentoring J.J. could be good. Could be good. And it'd be a good backup as well for J.J. McCarthy. So I think that's pretty dope. And it's also a player where J.J. doesn't have to be looking over his shoulder as well. Right. I think that also bothers – I'm not saying J.J.'s a veteran, but players like that – You want a long leash.
48:55Ocho:You don't want a short one. A short one, exactly. I throw an interception and I'm coming to the sideline, the coach shaking his head, and you see the quarterback on the sideline warming up. Warming up, yeah, yeah. That's a situation where he doesn't have to worry about that, which can be kind of tricky in a sense. So that's something J.J. doesn't have to worry about. I think J.D. McCarthy is going to be fine as long as brother Justin Jefferson is healthy. Jordan Addison has what, two or three games? Three games. He'll be fine. Aaron Jones, they got Hawkinson. They got Hawkinson. So J.D. is going to be all right.
49:30He's going to be all right.
49:32Ocho:ESPN analyst Sam Acho criticized Bears quarterback Caleb Williams for wearing his socks, halfway, calling it sloppy and lack of leadership. another thing is a little thing but a big thing even just some of the uniform stuff look at the socks halfway down that means nothing come on nacho come on baby come on i love i love you to death it means nothing it doesn't it it'd be it means nothing you know wearing your socks high wearing your socks low means nothing come on we're doing too much now we just come on come on I guess if it's an opportunity to criticize I don't know, like I said I like Caleb Williams, I think he's going to be good I like him in this offense You know, obviously he's going to have to do a better job of getting the ball out of his hand realizing that he can't make every play I love they've surrounded him with talent You go out and they take a receiver, I think, in the second round They got DJ Moore, they got a Dunze They took a tight end in the first round, pairing with Cole Komet They've rebuilt the offensive line I like what they've done in Chicago to help Caleb Williams reach his potential.
50:43Ocho:Now it's going to be incumbent on him to reach that potential because they've given him a hedge, which is an offensive line to protect him, and they've given him skill position players to make his job. He don't have to lift as much as he normally would have to lift. Yeah, absolutely. But I agree with you, Ocho. I'm not getting caught up in the nose socks or something like that. It's not that big of a deal. He nitpicking. He nitpicking. Come on now. Come on now. We talk about socks. Lamar Jackson needs 500 rushing yards this season to pass Cam Newton for the most 500-plus rushing yard seasons by a quarterback in NFL history.
51:23Ocho:Does he get it, Ocho? Absolutely. We talk about Lamar Jackson. We talk about young bull from Pompano. We talk about young bull that went to Boynton Beach High School. one of the better quarterbacks and not just NFL, the AFC North as well. He ain't going to get it. Absolutely. I would love to see him repeat what he did last year, a 41 touchdown season, 4 ,000 plus some yards. I don't even know how many rushing yards he had last year, but he had one hell of a season. He had an MVP season. Unfortunately, he didn't get the MVP, but I'm sure he's probably going to repeat what he did last year. as much as I love Lamar Jackson as much as I love the Ravens the Bengals went in the AFC North though I just had to throw that in there too you know what talk to me I'm not going to be surprised if Lamar Jackson rushed for 10 ,000 yards where is he at right now you think he's going to get 10 ,000 he's going to end his career with 40 ,000, 50 ,000 passing yards He's going to be like LeBron.
52:31Ocho:Like LeBron got fit, going to have like 40-plus thousand points, and then he's going to have like this many rebounds, 10 ,000 rebounds, 10 ,000 assists. Lamar Jackson is going to have 40 ,000, 50 ,000 passing yards and 10 ,000 rush yards, something that we're not going to see again. I don't think he'll get 10 ,000-plus passing yards. I think as he gets older. You mean rush yards? Rush yards. I think as he gets older and the skill being able to run the ball deteriorates, I think he makes up for it in other areas, which is why he's gotten so well and so good and polished in the passing game. How many rush yards Lamar got?
53:06Ocho:He's probably over 6 ,000 now. He got 6 ,100 right now, Ocho. Yeah, but nah. Another 4 ,000. That's a whole lot of rushing on him. Ocho, think about it, Ocho. That man had 800 last year and like nothing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, Lamar came out in 2018.
53:33Ocho:Lamar came out in 2018, right? Yeah. Think about that, Ocho. Man, eight years deep. You right. Yeah, he's getting 10. He's getting 10 bands. His game has changed, though. Game has changed. He's getting 10 bands. I don't even see Lamar. I mean, honestly, even with the rushing yards, I don't even see him as a running quarterback. He's a thower. He's a thower of the ball first. if you notice how his game has changed and evolved over time. Yeah, he's gotten better. Lamar Jackson is running the ball if he just has to and has no other goddamn choice. Yeah. We know, look, in order for him to, this offense to go and for him, for them to win, he had to evolve.
54:15Ocho:He just couldn't be what he once was. Right, right. And he's gotten better and better every year at throwing the football. They've given him added weapons. So, yeah, I don't. yeah he's gonna get better and better and all i said is look if he can get his arm to be 80 of his legs he'd be the best quarterback in the league yeah now he damn near 90 i his arm damn near 90 of his legs
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57:12That's what makes him so goddamn dangerous, man.
57:15Ocho:Yeah. Ocho, DraftKings rank every AFC and NFC wide receiver duo heading into the upcoming season. Here they go. Hold on, hold on. Hey, Ash, send me that Ash. You might have sent it already. There it is. There it is. Hold on. Here we go. Okay. You see who number one is? Hey, chat. Chat, do y 'all see who number one is? huh the team that missed the playoffs last year that ain't got nothing to do with what we're talking about i just said do you see who number one is yeah we see that okay wait a minute how the hell okay
57:56oh oh no oh this this order this order this is this order is a no-no okay tell me what you got for one where the hell is golfing amon rossst brown that's the afc oh oh that's nfc you mean this is the afc you're looking at the afc my bad i thought it was i thought it was a hole my bad i'm
58:17Ocho:glad i'm glad you said something you didn't say we ranked every afc quarterback wide receiver duo you told ash to send it to you it's up there on your screen and you got it i know i'm looking at I'm looking at it. Okay. Well, wait a minute. Well, no, I think Lamar, Lamar, Lamar and, um, Lamar and Zay should be two. Lamar and Zay should be two. Lad McConkie and Herbert should be three. Oh, wait a minute. Hell no. Man, CJ Stroud, CJ Stroud and Nico Collins should be before Pat Mahomes and Rasheed Rice. hey, boy, this is good right here. This is good. This is good. So at two, I'm putting Lamar and Zay Flowers.
59:06And then I'm going Nico Collins and CJ Shroud. Then Ladd McConkie and Justin Herbert. Because Ladd McConkie and Justin Herbert, Ladarius McConkie, boy, they be cutting up out there.
59:18Ocho:Look where they got your team. Look where they got Miami. Yeah. And they're only doing that because Tua and Rick had a down year. They'll be back this year. They'll be back this year. Hey, Josh Allen and Khalil Shakur.
59:43So after Herbert, then I'm going Mahomes and Rasheed Rice, and then Josh Allen and Shakira and after that the order is pretty much you got some people that haven't even done anything yet you got some people that haven't done anything yet so
1:00:05Ocho:yeah in the NFC okay there we go let me see where the NFC at okay here we go here we go
1:00:17okay AJ Brown that's right
1:00:24um whoa whoa whoa whoa for one i'm okay with jayla hurst and a.j brown but with at at two
1:00:34Ocho:at two i'm going are you sure you sure jayla hurst and a.j brown is better than golf and elman rossst brown are you sure well hell if that's the case then matt stafford belong in front of everybody matt stafford and pook and the cool belong in front of everybody that's what are Are we sure?
1:00:55It gets interesting. Yeah, it does. It does. It's a good one. It's a good one. And then when you think about it, you think about Jalen Brown. I'm talking about Jalen Brown. You think about Jalen Hurst and A.J. Brown, they didn't put up gargantuous numbers. No. They didn't put up gargantuous numbers. But if anything. J.A. Goff and Norman Brown, St. Brown do. And so did Puk Nukua and Matt Stafford.
1:01:20Ocho:And I like Jaden Daniels, but I don't think him and McLaurin belong in front of golf and Almond Ra. I can make a case that Almond Ra and golf should be one. Mike Evans and Baker Mayfield? They low. Being at six is way too low. Being at six is way too low.
1:01:47and obviously Justin Jefferson and JJ didn't have an opportunity to play together yet right so I understand them being that low
1:01:58who would you go first who would you put first honestly me Chad tell me what y 'all think I would put golf
1:02:06Ocho:and then second I would put Matthew Stafford and Puka Nakua I would put I would put
1:02:17I would have
1:02:18Ocho:I would have Dak I might put I'm going to put Baker Mayfield and Mike Evans in my top five yeah absolutely I would put Dak and CD third and then fourth I'd have Baker Mayfield and Mike Evans then I go Hurts and JJ yeah absolutely or before Hurts and JJ I might put McDaniels and McLaurin first because, I mean, eh. After that, it's a toss-up. Damn,
1:02:53I like this. I like this. But number one, I'm definitely going with... Golfing on Monroe? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Hell, Pook and the Cool went crazy last year too, so that's why I put him second. him.
1:03:08Ocho:Ocho, what would you change about this list? These are the fastest players based on in-game speed. You got Tier 1. You got Time. You got Reek, Darryl Green, Bullet Bob Hayes, Chris Johnson. Then you got Bo, Randy, Raheem Mostert, Deshaun Jackson, Devin Hester, Joey Galloway. Then you got Willie Gault, Trendon Holiday, Cliff Branch, Mike Vick, Marquise Goodwin,
1:03:45Ocho:Dante Hall, Ron Brown. Ron Brown can run. People don't realize that. Then you got John Ross, Ike Taylor, Jacoby Ford. Jacoby Ford can run. Mike Wallace. Mike Wallace can fly. Champ Bailey, Jamal Charles, Pat P, Julio Jones. Then you got Herschel Walker, DRC, Xavier Worthy, Percy Harvin, Adrian Peterson, Barry Sanders, Odell Lamar. Then you got Charles Woodson, Tyler Lockett, Cordial Patterson, Nehemiah, Jonathan Taylor, Jamison Williams, Fabian Washington, Rod Woodson. You missing anybody, Ocho?
1:04:27Ocho:They should have had James Jett on here. Darius Haywood Bay? Is he on there? Nope. I forgot they got Bethel Johnson who played with the Patriots and I forgot who else he played for. He's another burner. Ahmaud Carroll. Remember Ahmaud Carroll played? For Green Bay? Jesus Christ, that boy could run. Yeah. Yeah, Lee. I'm trying to think who else about Burners Burners.
1:05:02Ocho:I can't lie, that top list, that top list, I mean, Bob Hayes run a gold medal. So it's hard to argue him. Derrick Green never lost the NFL fastest man. We know what Chris Johnson had the fastest 40 times, 4-2-4, and we know prime. Yeah. Time is time. Yeah. The funny thing about it is Randy Moss ran 4-2-2 and people don't even realize that. He ran 4-2 when he was at Florida State. Before he left to go to Marshall, Randy Moss ran 4-2 at 6-4. So I really think Randy Moss should be in that top one? I think Ron Brown was on the Olympic team in 84. Didn't Ron Brown win a wasn't he on the Olympic team in 84?
1:05:46Ocho:With Dada and Sam Grady Carl Lewis. You know what's the most impressive about him? He was on a relay team, didn't he? Yeah. I thought so. Ron Brown could fly. everybody on this list is impressive but I don't think people understand watching Moss highlights it don't do you no justice unless you were able to see that up close and personal because he start off he start off gliding and you don't really know he moving until you're trying to catch him or he done threw that hand up and he running by you but see I think Hester was more shifty than fast oh no Hester was fast who now Devin Hester University of Miami Devin Hester yeah oh boy he was fast and shifty I mean he wasn't faster than Willie Gault or Holiday I mean you gotta understand once you get past 4-3 and up I mean you fast as hell yeah which makes most of the people that's on this list that special because not only can you go in a straight line, but you can also transition.
1:07:05You had great lateral movement. You were able to stop and restart and get right back up to top speed. Everybody can't do that. Most people are just fast in a straight line. Everybody on this list can actually play football. They're good at it. Oh, yeah.
1:07:20Ocho:Yeah. Think about how many track runners can just run in a straight line. You put them on the football field, eh, it won't be the same. Yeah. Well, Nehemiah didn't do too well at football because he couldn't read man or zone. He had to learn how to set that thing down. Who was the track runner that ran track at University of Florida but played football too? Jeff Demps. Jeff Demps. Jeff Demps. Hey, he was fast as hell, boy. Yeah. All them guys. Look, Tennessee. Willie Gall from Tennessee. Stanley Morgan was at Tennessee. Who's the other receiver? Anthony Miller. Tennessee, hey, them guys can run.
1:08:01Ocho:The only way they really couldn't run at Tennessee was Slim Pickens. But all the rest of them guys, they kind of like the Ohio State guys. You know Ohio State, how all those receivers can run? That's how Tennessee used to be. Okay. Sam Grady.
1:08:22Ocho:Anybody, anybody, we missing no show. Anybody we leave out? That's what I was trying to think. Not really. That's a good goddamn list, boy. Yeah. Bob Hayes changed the game. He made teams. Everybody you had to do away with, he brought the zone coverage in. Mm-hmm. Because can you imagine trying to – the coverage tried to – the world's fastest man, you tried to play man-to-man on it. Mm-mm.
1:08:49Ain't happening.
1:08:55Ooh, some speed on there, boy.
1:08:58Ocho:Warner Brothers acquires a script for a Kobe Bryant movie based on the 1996 draft. The new film will focus on Kobe's 1996 draft day and is tentatively titled with the eighth pick. The eighth pick in the draft was held by the Nets, coach by recent Massachusetts defector, and current Arkansas boss John Calipari. New Jersey was reportedly eager to draft Bryant, only to pass under considerable external pressure. Ocho are you excited about the first biop about Kobe being Brad yeah absolutely absolutely I think it's going to be it's going to be dope to relive and retell the story of how it all started we know how it ended you know as far as when it comes to his career but let's talk about how it all started you know how the mamba mentality came about in the beginning.
1:09:54I think it's going to be dope. It's going to be dope for me because I don't know his whole story. I know the finished product that I got to see on ESPN. I got to see that part. I obviously had many conversations with Kobe before he passed. I had an opportunity to go sit courtside with my son, little CJ. When CJ was... I mean, CJ might have been maybe, what, nine, ten years old. I'm excited. I'm excited for that. There's so many different layers to Kobe's story that I don't know about, especially when it comes to the draft process during those days. Hell, I was still in high school, huh? Yeah. Still in high school.
1:10:41I still got the text before he passed.
1:10:45Ocho:I texted him. I DMed him. December 28, 2019. I still have it
1:10:53Ocho:Still got it Damn
1:11:01Ocho:Yeah I'm definitely I'm definitely tuning into that one Definitely going to tune into that one Alright Ocho it's time for our final segment of the evening It's time for Q and A Damn man I remember I just posted a picture for Kobe's birthday. I remember Kobe and I, we sat down at News Cafe. We sat there about two hours, man. Sat there about two hours, man. Talked about life in general. At this time, it was when I was disgruntled, as they call it, when I was with Cincinnati.
1:11:44I had gotten in trouble.
1:11:49it was a great conversation I'm not going to disclose it here now but it's one of those conversations like when I sat with Denzel Courtside that one
1:12:02Ocho:time it was on my head it was one of those conversations it was dope it was dope something you'll never forget yes it was more of a lashing a lashing out for the acting out in the manner that I did
1:12:21understanding that there's no way I was going to win that battle against that power structure so why are you even trying in a sense right
1:12:36Ocho:XXX Cop Sanity says Unk and Ocho did Ocho pay your money yet if not Ocho got a cash I'm going to do what Giannis do. I'm going to do what I put Giannis on him. What, hit me in the back of the head? Hey, I'm going to block that. I'm going to block that. Hey, he didn't know it was coming. Oh.
1:13:00Ocho:T to the real. Salute my brother Lecrae. We're not connected by gang or fraternity no more, but Holy Trinity, connection is worth it, and forever praise God. One hundy. Y 'all, this dude is a clown, such a phony. I would rather take DMX over him if I wanted to listen to rap music to get closer to God. Huh? I mean, what'd he do to you?
1:13:34Ocho:Man, people, man, y 'all need to chill, man. You don't like the man music, okay, that's fine.
1:13:43Ocho:But people like him. I like the conversation that we had. The man said he wasn't perfect. Yeah. I think sometimes, Ocho, when we talk about religion and somebody's trying to walk with God, people automatically assume that he or she are perfect. Right. No. And that's not what that means. He said that, too. Right. He said he's walking with God because he's not perfect and he needs that savior.
1:14:17Ocho:uh Coley 55 said why was the fast you take your door out but felt that but I guess he said I feel the need to keep Deshaun in his last year am I tripping
1:14:38Ocho:oh look at your face Ocho
1:14:44no they need to they definitely need to uh that's what that's what we were asking yesterday
1:14:50Ocho:why would they take your door out considering if they're going to keep four quarterbacks your door is going to be one of the four quarterbacks that they keep not snoop huntley that's what i look i don't got no problem you want to take him out but i think should do it would have been better served being in that situation because there's a possibility that situation could come up and he happens to be the quarterback of the Cleveland Browns. That's what I think. I think that's what the consensus is, was, is that a guy that you're going to keep on the roster, put him in a situation that he might actually see come game time.
1:15:22Yeah.
1:15:24Ocho:Look, Deshaun's going to be on the team. He has$92 million still guaranteed this year and next year, 25, 26. So I don't see a scenario where they're going to cut him out. They'll probably keep him on IR for the entirety of this year. He tore his Achilles late last, and then he ended up re-tearing it. So he's not playing this season. King Grav said, if you're both in your prime, could Chad beat you in a one-on-one tight end versus receiver? Look, I can't backpedal. I could never backpedal. That's why I played safety in high school. but I was mainly a linebacker and a wide receiver. Well, I could backpedal.
1:16:07I would have locked your ass up. I could backpedal. I would have locked you up. I'm telling you right now. You wouldn't have caught one ball. We talk about 10 reps, and I'll let you have John Elway. I'll let you have John Elway, and I'll play. Matter of fact, I ain't going to play. I'm going to play man. I'm going to play in your face. I'm going to play in your face, and I'm going to put my palm. Hold on. Listen to me. I'm going to put my palm right between the eight and the four, and I guarantee you won't get off the ball. Telling me I'm too light. I ain't too light. That's the same thing Ray Lewis said.
1:16:37You saw what happened to him?
1:16:38Ocho:Yeah, I did. Captain Kirk said, what's up, Uncle Ocho? Who's a better one-on-one rivalry in the NFL than Ray Lewis and Eddie George? That's a good one. I wouldn't consider them a rivalry. They did play against each other. They got some good hits on each other. I wouldn't consider they're much much better rivalries than the Tennessee Titans I think they say 101 Eddie and Ray so is it Darrell Revis and Ocho Darrell Revis and Randy Darrell Revis and T.O. Is it time and Mike Irvin
1:17:19you see we talk about rivalries is players that have that that continuously play against each other over hell you know what you want to know to me the greatest rivalry of all I mean there's some good ones but for me Mike Evans
1:17:33Ocho:yeah Marshawn Levy now that's a rivalry now that's a rivalry that we were excited to and couldn't wait because they were division opponents and we knew they were going to face each other twice a year and they literally did not like each other that's a rivalry I mean I got played against Rebus twice two weeks back to back that's it never saw him again That's really not a rivalry. DJ underscore Dilley, I know it sounds morbid and sad, but the Cowboys will start winning again after Jerry Jones passes on to the other side. Well, I hope that ain't no time soon, DJ. Damn. Dr. Frankie L. Bellamy said, hey, fam, I made it back.
1:18:12Ocho:Ocho, did you get a chance to attend any soccer? I didn't get a chance to attend any soccer games. Was busy going back and forth to concerts. Love y 'all guys. Glad you made it back safely. Dr. Frankie. Appreciate that. We always know you probably chimed in all the way overseas. Jordan B. High-ass, Uncle Nocho, tomorrow's my 24th birthday. Just wanted to see if I can get a shout-out. Yes, Jordan, happy early 24th birthday. Hopefully you got something special planned and enjoy it. Make sure you enjoy it because you're never going to be 24 again. So enjoy that very, very special day and many, many more to come.
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Nightcap Hour 2: Unc & Ocho react to Raja Jackson violent attack on Syko Stu
Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson are joined by Grammy award winning rapper Lacrae, Raja Jackson unleashed a violent attack on Syko Stu, and the Vikings trade Sam Howell and sign Carson Wentz and much more!
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37:55 - Raja Jackson and wrestler Stuart “Syko Stu” Smith spot gone wrong
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50:05 - Draft Kings ranked every AFC and NFC QB/WR duo
55:55 - Fastest Players Based on In Game speed
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