Nightcap Hour 3: DON’T WALK on My GRASS + Q & Ayyy

23 May 2026 · 49 min · 30 chapters

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In short

Nightcap Hour 3 “DON’T WALK on My GRASS + Q & Ayyy,” a late-night sports-and-life chat with heavy focus on OKC Thunder vs San Antonio Spurs playoff talk, plus listener Discord video voicemails and Q&A.

Guests (hosts/regulars)

Ocho (former NFL player; discusses route-running/receiver roles; cigar and sports stories), Joe (co-host; talks energy/sleep, football/basketball comparisons), and Iso/Unk (co-host; NBA/football analysis, personal anecdotes). No named external guests appear in the transcript.

Key claims

OKC’s bench/depth is the difference-maker; Spurs can’t stop Wembanyama effectively (especially when he’s forced to cover space and gets worn down). Lamar Jackson’s MVP/All-Pro voting is questioned. High-level route runners don’t need scheme help; low-level receivers do.

Notable examples

Shaq vs Steph half-court/free-throw shooting debate; Lakers trade talk for Mitchell Robinson; Kobe stats not mentioned in top lists; OKC Game 3 win 123-108 with 76 bench points; receiver examples: Davante Adams, Ja’Marr Chase, Justin Jefferson, JSN.

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Chapters

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Energetic Q&A Introduction

3:01 to 4:54

The hosts introduce the Q&A segment with a light-hearted discussion.

“Last night, Joe, I was fighting for my life.”

Basketball Debate: Shaq vs. Steph

4:54 to 5:56

The hosts debate who would win in a shooting contest between Shaq and Steph.

“Hey, Joe probably 22, 15, and 10 real quick.”

Lakers Trade Discussion

5:56 to 7:44

A listener questions potential trades for the Lakers and player evaluations.

“Hey, Steph, he hitting from anywhere, boy.”

Kobe Bryant's Legacy in NBA Discussions

7:44 to 13:20

The hosts discuss Kobe Bryant's stats and impact compared to other legends.

“Look, look, three for 10 is great from half court.”

Lamar Jackson MVP Discussion and Route Running

13:20 to 14:07

A listener asks about Lamar Jackson's MVP chances and insights on route running.

“Denny had Powell, but Powell wasn't that good.”

Engaging Ferrari Superfans

15:09 to 15:45

Understanding the importance of engaging Ferrari superfans in the digital age.

“But what I was able to learn from Stefano was the importance of engaging the Tifosi, the Ferrari superfans in the digital age.”

Quarterback MVP Discussion

18:27 to 19:38

Delve into a debate over MVP voting for quarterbacks in the NFL.

“Well, if Josh Allen is the league MVP at the quarterback position, wouldn't you vote him first-team all-pro at the quarterback position, Ochoa Joe?”

Playing Against John Wall

19:42 to 21:28

A player shares a memorable experience of playing against John Wall.

“You know, when you got to have it, you can line them up on the left, you can line up on the right, and say, I need you to get open.”

Basketball Skills and Strategies

21:30 to 22:30

Discuss the differences between high-level and low-level wide receivers in football.

“But John Wall, bro, his ad-living throughout that whole three on three game, you got to hear him.”

NBA Player Dynamics

22:36 to 24:14

Analyze the dynamics and expectations around NBA players and teams.

“He would bring championship experience that they need.”
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Cheating Songs in R&B

24:16 to 26:13

Discuss various cheating songs in R&B and their cultural significance.

“No, I'm looking at, that's not DeAndre Jordan.”

NBA Playoff Predictions

26:15 to 28:00

Conclude with predictions and opinions on ongoing NBA playoff series.

“For you to stay down with him all night.”

Discussion on Music and Podcasts

28:00 to 28:43

The hosts share their thoughts on music and favorite podcast episodes.

“Just wanted to say, man, you're on Rogan and Theo's Hill.”

Talking Sports with DC

28:43 to 29:23

The hosts reflect on their conversation with DC and his sports insights.

“My top three, Nightcap, J-R-E, Theo, Nocap Love.”

Cigar Connoisseurship

29:23 to 31:30

Discussing favorite cigars, experiences, and smoking habits over the years.

“Now, Joe, I could talk cigars for hours, Joe.”

Physical Fitness and Smoking

31:30 to 32:52

Exploring the impact of smoking on physical fitness and health.

“It depends on what type of tobacco that he put in there.”

Basketball Playoff Analysis

32:52 to 36:44

Analyzing the dynamics of recent NBA playoff games and team strategies.

“Like I say, guys smoke cigarettes and be at the front of the pack.”

Social Media's Influence on Sports

36:44 to 37:11

Discussing how social media affects perceptions of sports events.

Graduation Celebration and Sports Analysis

41:40 to 42:00

Celebrating personal achievements while continuing to discuss sports insights.

“Complete disclosures available at public.com slash disclosures.”

Analyzing Player Performance

42:00 to 43:13

The hosts discuss the challenges faced by basketball players in covering space and defending.

“Because you got to realize, they're making him cover space, Joe.”

Comparing College Football Stars

43:14 to 45:04

The conversation shifts to comparing college football legends like Reggie Bush and Adrian Peterson.

“But, man, Reggie, them last two years at USC for Reggie.”

Memorable All-Star Teammates

45:05 to 47:45

The hosts share memories of their all-star teammates and the experiences they had together.

“Unk, what made the Giants in 1988 feel weird?”

Advice for Personal Challenges

47:46 to 50:35

The hosts provide advice on building confidence and addressing personal challenges, especially in social situations.

“Man, I had some hell of an all-star teammates.”

Celebrating Achievements and Handling Pressure

50:36 to 53:38

Discussion about handling media scrutiny while celebrating personal achievements and mental health.

“Work on what you want to say in the mirror first.”

Cooking Preferences and Relationships

53:39 to 55:26

The hosts humorously discuss their cooking preferences and the dynamics of relationships.

“And that's how hard you play and how much effort you put into the game.”

Acknowledging Birthdays and Special Moments

55:27 to 56:00

The hosts take time to give shout-outs and celebrate listeners' special moments and birthdays.

“Don't come in here fucking at my dishes.”

Birthday Celebrations

56:00 to 56:37

The hosts celebrate multiple birthdays, including family members and friends.

“my cousin Willie III, and my aunt Dion both turning 39.”

Thunder's Victory Overview

56:37 to 57:24

Discussion on the OKC Thunder's recent victory over the Spurs with player highlights.

“this episode of Nightcap the Thunder Go to Game 3, go on the road, snatch back home court thanks to a 123-108 victory over the San Antonio Spurs.”

Host Introductions and Engagement

57:24 to 58:16

The hosts introduce themselves, calling out their identities and encouraging audience engagement.

“They'll keep coming, they'll keep coming, they'll keep coming and you got to play your best basketball for 48 minutes and sometimes it might take 58 minutes as it did in game one to get this victory.”

Hashtag Sports Award Nominations

58:37 to 59:09

Discussion about the nominations for the Hashtag Sports Award and voting instructions.

“Best Brand Partnership for Nightcap Outside and Row.”
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3:01Shannon Sharpe:All right, it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A. A. A, boy. A. I don't know if y 'all know this, boy. I'm feeling good. A, Joe. Last night, Joe, I was fighting for my life. A, I don't know if you noticed it. A, the chat was on my head, boy. I forgot to take my nap yesterday, Joe. I stayed, you know, I wake up at seven in the morning, take the baby to school, pick up when they get out at two. I stayed up the whole time, watched the game, and tried to get on the show. Ooh! Man, boy. What'd you think, Ocho, I had to fly yesterday. I flew yesterday. For real? Yeah.

3:40Shannon Sharpe:You ain't getting no sleep? None. How you had all that energy? I just gotta do what I gotta do. And then it take me a while, cause I gotta, I have to come back down. Yeah. Cause I get so, I work myself up so high. and then I gotta come back down, it take me like a whole hour. You talking about when we get off here to go to sleep? It take me a minute too, I can't go right to sleep when I get off. I didn't take me, that's how I've always been like that. Like when I was in college, you know after I played a game in the NFL, man it take me some hours, I just can't go right to sleep. Bro, you know how many nights we done got off here man, I still be up at four, five in the morning man.

4:16Shannon Sharpe:You sure do, cause I be DMing him and he be responding. I don't know how I look at it. I look at it. Hold on. It's 1220. Yeah. I don't know. 320 there. He hit me right back. Yeah. I don't see how you do it. When we get when we get off is when we get off here, we get off. Sometimes we get up at three. Sometimes we get a two thirty tonight. We'll probably get up. What? Maybe two fifteen. Yeah. When I hit that bed is good night. Irene and I got a I got a flight. My flight is seven o 'clock in the morning. Anyway, I'm going to T Higgins got a celeb game in Knoxville, Tennessee tomorrow at three o 'clock.

4:54What a softball game? Nah, basketball, basketball. Basketball? I'm gonna go out there. Hey, Joe probably 22, 15, and 10 real quick.

5:00Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, man, here he go. Oh, Lord help me. Here he go. You hear me? Oh, it's gonna be footage. See, ain't no best this time. So I ain't gotta pass the ball. I could just play. Okay, where y 'all playing at? At Knoxville High School. I think T, he must've went to Oak Ridge High. Yeah, that sounds about right. In Knoxville, Tennessee? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, so, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Before we get to our super chats, we've got four video voicemails from our Discord. Let's take a listen to the first one. Unk, Cheetah Pants, and still, King Iso. What's up with y 'all, man? Isaiah coming in from Northern Cali.

5:41So, look, Shaq versus Steph. Ten shots apiece. Shaq from the free throw line. Steph from the half court line who makes more shots out of 10 and Unc and Joe y 'all need to start listening to that man Ocho he trying to tell

5:55Shannon Sharpe:y 'all the truth man he's right about these basketball picks left and right and he keep trying to tell y 'all to eat y 'all McDonald's but y 'all won't listen and now y 'all having knee surgeries and stuff and look at Ocho his knees are just fine you know he got a little glaucoma but we got we got good stuff out here in Cali that can fix that right up Ocho appreciate y 'all man

6:20Shannon Sharpe:I didn't have any problems either when I was Ocho's age once I hit 50 the abdominal needed to be reset back but but hey what did he just ask we seen Steph half court so he said Shaq from the free throw line Steph still gonna win Steph still gonna win You think so? I know he makes some half-court shots. Yeah. He gonna need to make at least three. I think Shaq can make three out of ten. I do, too. You talk about right now. Yeah, right now. So you get Shaq right now. Yeah. Right out of the studio. Say, okay, Shaq, come on. Let's go. I'm putting my money on Shaq, bro. I'm putting my money on Shaq.

7:05Hey, Steph, he hitting from anywhere, boy.

7:08Shannon Sharpe:Hey, I know what he capable of, Ocho, but I'm putting my money on Shaq. I think Shaq can pull a little one off. I think it's going to be close, though, Joe. Now, if you let Shaq, if you give Shaq a week to practice, I would say Shaq going to get it because Shaq can hit about six of them. I give Shaq five, six of them. I don't think Steph can hit five or six from half court. I don't either. That's what I'm saying. I think Shaq can at least give you five. I think he can go 50%. Y 'all seen Steph warm up, man, shoot from half court, shoot from the stands. But Ocho, he got to make at least – he's going to have to make at least four.

7:46Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, yeah. Look, look, three for 10 is great from half court. Hell, yeah. Two from 10. Yeah. The hell? You're shooting for 50 feet. I don't see Shaq. I got Shaq making five out of 10 free throws. Now, if you say give Shaq – if you say, okay, Steph, shoot from the corner three. Oh, that's too easy. Come on. That's too easy. That's too easy. He can do that blindfold. He might not miss one. Yeah, he go. He be at least nine for ten. Here's the second one. Let's take a listen. Cap family, what's up? Unk, Ojo, and still King Iso. What it do? Forest City, Arkansas, Nettle here. Hey, listen, what y 'all think about this?

8:33There you go. I think the Lakers should trade for Mitchell Robinson. I think he'll be a perfect center for Luka and LeBron. And I think we should sign and trade Austin Reeds for some more better wing 3 and D guys. What y 'all think?

8:49Shannon Sharpe:Man, I like Mitchell Robinson, but that damn free throw, that free throw game that teams play, it's going to be hard for him to gain a rhythm. They're going to always keep him out of the game, bro. If he don't work on them free throws and get that down, he's going to always, and he's foul prone too. Yep. That's why he can't play late in the games. hold on he just said two three and d guys and you you you you you let reeves go where you get your scoring from luca and lebron lebron gonna be gone well he's saying sign he was saying trade luca keep basically keep lebron sign mitchell robinson so now you got three and d guys you mean trey austin yeah yes yes yes austin reeves yeah yes

9:38Shannon Sharpe:and Lakers gonna have some decisions to make here's the third one yes sir first I want to show y 'all something

9:55you can let me know if I'm completely wrong about this but when we hear conversations with Kobe about top five, top ten, top three, whatever it is. The analysts never bring up how he's second in all-time defense, third most assists for shooting guards, one of only three players to win back-to-back without a top 75, and he was the first player with 30 ,000 points and 6 ,000 assists. I mean, those never get brought up when we talk about Kobe. I appreciate it.

10:26Shannon Sharpe:Well, look, they talk about Kobe didn't have a top 75, but that damn Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, hey, them boys was hell, you know, when they went to back-to-back finals. So, I mean, Kobe wasn't ever out there by himself, man. He had some help. You know what it is? It's like with Tom Brady, and they don't want to give his receivers credit. They don't want to give Edelman. They don't want to give Amendola. They don't want to give Deion Branch, and they just talk about where Randy Moss and Gronk. You have to understand, every top receiver was not going to be able to play in that system. Everybody can't go have one top.

11:11Shannon Sharpe:Let Ocho explain it. A top receiver one week catch one pass, and then he might catch one pass one week, three pass the next week, and then he go 10. Go crazy, yep. Y 'all don't understand the mindset of a number one receiver. Especially when a team, Joe, when a team say, today, you ain't catching nothing. And they mean that. And they do just that. No matter where you go, you ain't getting nothing. You got some weeks, teams, we're going to just play you. We're going to play you upright. We're going to play you honest.

11:56I mean

11:59Shannon Sharpe:it's getting to the point I'm looking at rating these players the previous players I'm going to look at it like I do right now where we are talk to me in 28 ain't nothing we can do about it right now Kobe's where he is LeBron's where he is Jordan is where he is. I'm going to deal with Jokic, Wimby, guys that are playing now. It don't do no good. Because wherever you are, you are. It's just like wherever you are politically, you ain't winning nobody over. You're not bringing nobody to your side, guys. No matter what, you see what is happening and ain't nobody left that side. You see what is happening and nobody's left this side.

12:45Shannon Sharpe:So what we doing? You're not going to win anybody. If you're a Jordan fan, you're not leaving to go to LeBron, Kobe, Kareem, Shaq, Steph, or anybody. If you're a LeBron fan, you're not leaving LeBron to go to Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, Kareem, nobody. What we doing? It's a moot point. It really is now. All we're doing is regurgitating the same stats. Yep. LeBron did this. Kobe did that. Jordan did this. Jordan didn't win to Kobe. LeBron had to go to D-Wade. Kobe had Shaq. Denny had Powell, but Powell wasn't that good.

13:31Yep.

13:33Shannon Sharpe:That's where we are. That's really where we are, guys. Here's the fourth one. Let's take a listen. What's your ice? What's going on? Hey, man. I'm putting on for the South. Outkast said, South got something to say in y 'all saying it. Quick question, no PC stuff, but can you explain why Lamar didn't win the 2024 MVP? I think that would go down as the craziest upset in sports, honestly. But can you please give me a take on that? Ocho, can you please explain the difference between a low-level receiver and a high-level receiver when it comes to route running? What's the art of it? Iso, man. Hey, still, dog, much love.

14:11But I know you didn't play with John Wall, but I know you played against him.

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18:26Shannon Sharpe:I don't know Ocho and I we've talked about this Ad Nauseam a man throws for 41 touchdowns with four interceptions The QBR Led in QBR I think he might have had one fuel win Maybe one or two fuel wins than Josh Allen He was voted first team All pro the same People that voted him First team all pro voted Josh Allen the league MVP. Well, if Josh Allen is the league MVP at the quarterback position, wouldn't you vote him first-team all-pro at the quarterback position, Ochoa Joe? Yeah. I didn't understand it. I didn't understand it either. And that's what I thought was, because when it came out, that Lamar was the first-team all-pro quarterback, which I said, well...

19:19Shannon Sharpe:Didn't make any sense. And it still doesn't. but Josh got the award now Lamar does have two of those awards most people believe he should have three he got what he got I think the next award that he really wants is that Super Bowl trophy that Super Bowl MVP and then he can tell him like kiss my butt

19:42Shannon Sharpe:Ocho yeah what's the difference between a high level wide receiver and a low level yes I think for me Honestly, a low-level wide receiver is one that needs a scheme to be able to get it has to be schemed open One where an officer created officer coordinator job I think it's a little bit more difficult and trying to find ways to get him open You know having to condense the splits put him in motion Put him in bunch, you know to to kind of hide him away from Some of the things that he's not not strong and I think high-level route runners or high-level receivers, they don't really need much help. You know, when you got to have it, you can line them up on the left, you can line up on the right, and say, I need you to get open.

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20:30Make my job easy for once. Make my job easy for once. Devontae Adams, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, JSN, those are players, obviously, play within a scheme, but also Officer Cornet can sit back and relax and say, you know what, on this play, I'm going to line you up right here. I need you to go get me that money. I need you to get it, and they can get it. Every receiver cannot do that. I guarantee you. They can't.

20:58Shannon Sharpe:Hey, for me, I played against John Wall. But if you get a chance, you got to go to YouTube, look up the three-on-three there. It was me, John Wall, and we had D-Wade's son on our team. We played against Jalen Brown, Ben Simmons, and they had some other guy. We played three on three. Chris Johnson hosted a – it wasn't that he hosted. He had a three – we played three on three one day because he trained all of us. I was out in L.A. And this one particular day we all came in. He was like, we're going to play three on three. And me and John Wall was on the team. We ran through them boys. But John Wall, bro, his ad-living throughout that whole three on three game, you got to hear him.

21:39Shannon Sharpe:You got to hear him talk. He funny as I don't know what. A hell of a competitor. Great dude. I enjoyed that time that we had. but yeah, I mean, he a great player. Hey, Joe, you know, John playing tomorrow. I'm going to be a guard here, man. He playing in that game with you? Yeah, John Wall. Hold on, it's a few more. It's three other NBA players. Hold on. Okay. Yeah, John finna get this work, though, bro. Okay. Yeah, he finna get this work. I'm going to be looking for some footage now. Oh, you're going to see it. You're going to see it because I'm going to be in his shirt. Okay. You know, I don't play.

22:15You know how most of the time you play basketball, Everybody continues to retreat. They retreat, retreat. I ain't retreating shit.

22:20Shannon Sharpe:You picking up. Man, I'm picking up 94 feet, what? Like OKC. Man, sitting in the chair. Yeah. Slating them puppies. Okay. Now you get around me if you want to.

22:36Shannon Sharpe:I'll say it again. Wimby the alien, but OKC is the MIB. Yeah. Yeah. Braun should go to the Spurs. It would be a perfect fit. He would bring championship experience that they need. He could also go to the Wolves. Nah. I mean, I'd rather him go to the Wolves than the damn Spurs. Come on, man. What? What a joke? Nah. They got a nice young nucleus. You know, everybody can't play with Braun, man. We just keeping it 100. Right. Braun needs shooters. Yeah. Yeah. If you're going to let him handle the ball, he's shooters. Yeah, yeah, because, look, you bring Bron over there with Castle and I, that ain't going to work, bro.

23:19Shannon Sharpe:Nope. Hey, Joe. What's up? Hey, Unk, who is number nine for the Pelicans? I don't know. Number nine. I don't think it's Trey Murphy or who's the other one?

23:41Yeah, I can't. um the point guard from the clippers deandre jordan no no no no no no no no you say nine for the pelicans yeah light-skinned dude oh no no and then um damn my homeboy man i can't his name's in my mind i'm looking baron davis baron davis playing too

24:01Shannon Sharpe:what number is uh jordan pool

24:07Shannon Sharpe:No, he number three. Yeah. Huh?

24:16Shannon Sharpe:Now that we got – now we get to hear perk takes like Wimby career over after one game. Oh, DeJounte Murray? Is DeJounte Murray number nine? No, I think he number five.

24:34Shannon Sharpe:DeAndre Jordan, yeah. He like seven foot tall, Ocho, so. No, I'm looking at, that's not DeAndre Jordan. Well, he don't play with the Pelicans then. I'm looking at his shirt, it say New Orleans, and it say number nine. It might have been a long time ago. Oh, damn, I bet then they couldn't update the picture. Oh, man, here you go. I love the show. Ocho, where's that energy at? You've been quiet the last two games now. Timmy, Hemby, Wimby, OKC in five. Yeah, but we ain't going to be petty-bitty over here. We ain't going to chastise you about our... I mean, you don't need to chastise me because I did say, listen, we lost a game.

25:13We lost two games. But I said the series was going seven. I said it was going to be a 12-round boxing fight, but we were going to come out on top. Okay. Hey, listen, y 'all won round two and three. It's okay.

25:27Shannon Sharpe:Well, you better win round four because it won't get past five. All right. Unk and I saw a bad look. After game one, they brought that bad juju praising the Spurs and Wimby. Y 'all go back to celebrating the zestiest team in the league. How we bad look? He said we put that juju on them. Yeah. Dang. T.S. Car Wash Detail Service Aaliyah made a cheating song TLC made a cheating song Escape made a cheating song Name a cheating song Sung by a man I'll wait Tank that I deserve For you go out and find some other guy I do, ay. For you to stay down with him all night. Yeah. For you to do all things. Man, y 'all know Joe.

26:29Shannon Sharpe:Man, y 'all can't get no song by Joe now. Y 'all know Joe. Oh, yeah. They call me the human jukebox, man. I know all. Okay, hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, you sound good, boy. Come on now. The human jukebox, Ocho. Yeah, I like that. Okay, Joe. Okay. Yeah. Ocho, that's why we be getting all them graphics. Ain't nothing. Ain't nothing. R &B, say. R &B, okay, cut the joke. Hey, hey, hey, listen. Y 'all know the ladies love R &B now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We gonna R &B that thing out now. I mean, one could say Usher Confessions had a little something to do with cheating, didn't it? L-O. Oh, that's right. The whole damn album, damn there.

27:06Shannon Sharpe:Right, the show did. If I wanted to be honest, it looked crazy three games in one, but from being 0-03. Yeah, I mean, look, it took a Herculean effort by Wimby. that first game. Yeah. Or you're right. They're down 0-3. But give them credit. We'll see when they bounce back. Joe believes they can bounce back on Sunday. They ain't got no choice. Oh, Joe believes that. They got to have game four. Yeah. Or it won't get to game six for sure. No, sir. We got this. Okay? We got this. Okay. As a Long Thunder fan, what excuse y 'all casual is going to say now? Just give credit where it's due. Ain't nothing to do.

27:49Shannon Sharpe:It ain't, bro. The Thunder was a better team. Especially the last two games, they were the better team. Yeah. That bench, you get 76 points from your bench, your bench outscores your starters. That never happens. Yeah. Never.

28:07Shannon Sharpe:No, we got to give them credit. Oh, you know what? I got one too. Go ahead, Ocho. What'd you say? Hey, a song about men. Men making songs about cheating. Mario Winans, I don't wanna know. Yeah. I don't wanna know. If you play me, keep it on the low. Yeah. Cause my heart. Cause my heart. Take it. It can't take it, John. Hey, okay. Y 'all know what? Yeah, yeah. Just finished the pod with you and DC. Great episode. Just wanted to say, man, you're on Rogan and Theo's Hill. My top three, Nightcap, J-R-E, Theo, Nocap Love. Appreciate that, man. Yes, sir. I had a great time with DC. He's a great guy.

28:51Shannon Sharpe:Man, DC is unbelievable just to sit down and have a conversation with. Man, he loves sports. Yeah. Yeah, obviously, you know, he's one of the foremost authorities in being able to because he can talk. He can talk. A lot of guys can – you know what I'm saying, Ocho? You know a lot of guys might have played a particular sport, but they can't talk it. Yeah. He can talk it. like a lot of people can train but they can't train you right a lot of people can but they can't coach you i played the game i ain't got the patience but a lot of people can't translate what they did and impart that wisdom on you yeah he can talk it he did it he's a coach

29:33Shannon Sharpe:oh joe i need your top five of your top six medium full cigars i so need a permanent employed need permanent employment for nightcap and up is kobe over braun one two three five one team no jumping ship let me see my top five cigars right now for one i'm gonna go with my own 85 cigars obviously uh my second is my favorite my favorite go-to uh jaime garcia um okay right 60 gauge uh my third would probably be the andalusian bull lfd i think it was cigar of the year maybe 2015 if i'm not mistaken my fourth would probably be the lunatic obviously another another i love big i love big ring gauges so it's probably maybe a 70 maybe a 70 gauge and my fifth would probably be uh a liga pravita nine number nine you know small small little nub yeah that's probably my five right there i got a question them cigars they give you a little buzz don't they no for me no no no joe i think and i think because i've been smoking so long joe you gotta understand i've been smoking cigars since 1991.

30:44i started as a freshman in high school and i've been doing it so long yeah yeah i been doing it so long a freshman in high school yeah joe yeah yeah at that point i knew nothing about cigars i was more so doing it because i wanted to fit in with the crowd that was drinking alcohol and smoking weed but i understood i couldn't walk in grandma house smelling like no goddamn weed i couldn't do that but my grandfather smoked pipes and he smoked cigars so the smell of me smelling like cigar i could say well i was in the domino house with my grandfather and that's why i smell the way i do yeah i had i had an alibi i had it out and at that point i had done it so long and trying to fit in with the crowd then i i became accustomed to and became a connoisseur and enjoying cigars.

31:26Now, Joe, I could talk cigars for hours, Joe.

31:29Shannon Sharpe:Hey, I remember my grandpa used to smoke a pipe and it used to smell sweet. Yeah, yeah, it depends. They got so many different... It depends on what type of tobacco that he put in there. Tobacco you get, yeah. Yeah, my grandfather smoked pipes too. He smoked cigars and pipes. Yeah. You know, with them old people back in the day, they used to roll their own cigarettes. They weren't spending no money. They had Prince Albert, those Bugle Boys. You know what I'm saying? Hey, they wasn't spending no money now. My own them had them camel. You know, them camel, they had no filter. Yeah, yeah. Long spot.

32:16Hey, now I think about it too, hey, Unk. Yeah. And Joe, you know how you say, when you smoke cigars, and they say your lungs messed up and you're supposed to get tired. Joe, I smoked so crazy. I did it through my whole career, before the games, after practice, but I was in phenomenal shape. I never got tired. So I'm still smoking. I'm 58 years old. I play Sunday league every Sunday, 90 minutes, Joe, 45 minute halves, running up and down the field, the big field, like a football field. Yeah, yeah. I don't get tired.

32:48Shannon Sharpe:It's like my body's immune to it. I mean, I know guys smoke cigarettes. Like I say, guys smoke cigarettes and be at the front of the pack. Running wind spreads, be first. And done went to the truck and had two shots of Hennessy. Yeah. You know what I think? Them old school guys were different, man. They're different. Yeah. You know what I think saved me too long? What's that with that? Since I've been retired, my black ass ain't stopped moving around. I can't sit still. Joe, I cannot sit still. I got to be doing something active. I got to. Yeah. But plus, Ocho, it's not like cigars. You don't inhale the cigar.

33:29Shannon Sharpe:Right. Cigarettes, you inhale. That too. Right, right. Because them cigars, they're strong. I'm going to put you down. Game three showed OKC's composure and killers. Spurs got punched in the mouth at home and never recovered despite a promising start. You're right. That was it. I mean, you know, one team held their composure. They weathered the storm. You know they're going to come out with a flurry. Hey, and that's what you tell them anytime we go on the road. You know they're going to come out with a flurry. Let's withstand a flurry. Play our way into the game. And you look up. After all they did in the first quarter, the start of the second quarter, you're only up three points.

34:11Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Hey, hey. What it comes down to, what we were talking about in the Knicks and Cavs series. Hey, we just got to get a couple stops, guys. We got to string a couple stops, get back in this damn game, cut it to about 8 to 10 points. We're going to be all right.

34:27Shannon Sharpe:Okay, see, depth is crazy. Every game, it's a different player. Steps up, takes over. Spurs got to stop letting Wimby get stuck on Caruso. What they going to do? Hell, they sub Hardenstein and bring in Caruso. Who are you going to go on? because you don't because the thing is you don't really want him to have to guard Chet because all Chet's going to do is stay at the three-point line. Yeah. But it seems like when he tries to help off they swing the ball to Caruso and he's out of position and Caruso is shooting shoot around threes. Yeah. And making him every damn time. He's making him every time.

35:01Cash. Cash.

35:06Shannon Sharpe:Oh, the point Ocho was trying to make was there's never been a bench like OKC's. SGA is at least needed MVP, but we've never seen an obvious.

35:20Shannon Sharpe:The Celtics bench at 86. They had a former MVP coming off the bench. He was also sixth man of the year, Bill Walton. Damn, Bill came off the bench? He sure did. They had some bigs back then, Ocho. Rick Carlisle was on that bench. I'm trying to think. The Sixers used to have a good bench with Bobby Jones and Earl Curran. I mean, it's really hard to say if you keep it in today's time. Yeah. I mean, the Warriors, we talked about the Warriors bench. Yeah. When they had Iguodala. You do realize Iguodala was finals MVP, and he came off the bench. Yeah. He got inserted into the starting lineup, if I'm not mistaken.

36:04Shannon Sharpe:What was that game for, Joe? Yeah, I think it was by game four. Yeah. Because he was the one doing the best. Listen, they say he was doing the best job on LeBron, but LeBron numbers were still crazy. 36, 13, and 9. Yeah. He was still crazy. I hate to see if he didn't guard it. So you think about it. When they had Leandro Barbosa and they had Livingston and they had Iggy coming off the bench, I think Festus Aziz was doing it too. Yep, yep, yep, yep. They had a nice squad coming off their bench. but most teams that win the title the bench you gotta have some resemblance of a bench you just do you do when the Heat was winning you know they were bringing Mike Miller they were bringing Battier they had depth on the bench Ray Allen came up yes he did yeah oh Joe if it didn't happen yesterday it didn't happen in social media eyes.

37:10Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Right.

37:14Shannon Sharpe:Spurs can win every game. It can win every game unless the refs have something to say about. I mean, say about it. Hey, that was a good one. I don't think the refs were the issues tonight. I think the depth of the thunder was the issue tonight. Yeah. But I get what you're saying, Zay. Oh, it's your ISO kid. Y 'all shout out my baby boy, Joshua, on his graduation today. Proud. Doesn't even to begin to express how I feel. Appreciate it. When it comes to advancing your education, you have more options than you think. At Rasmussen University, we find ways to remove barriers, not build them. Like a new laptop if you're eligible and enroll in select online or on-campus programs.

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41:47Joshua, you graduated.

41:50Shannon Sharpe:Congratulations, bro. Congrats, man. That's an unbelievable honor. That's unbelievable feat. First step. Luke.

41:57Shannon Sharpe:Keep making Pops proud. I hate saying this, but Wemmy look gassed tonight. Oh, yeah. Because you got to realize, they're making him cover space, Joe. Yeah. Think about it. He's trying to protect the paint. Then they kick it, and then he's trying to get to the corners. You're asking an awful lot. And I understand he's 12 feet tall. but you're still asking him to do an awful lot to cover them corners from the paint. And they keeping a body on his ass too. Yes, they wearing him down. Yeah, yeah. Find him and put a body on him. Yeah.

42:36Shannon Sharpe:I still think Unks in top three amongst tight ends. Thank you for all the hard work you boys put in. No, thank you for watching us. You make our job easy. Yes, sir. All we do is get to come on here and talk about, you know, things that have happened, talk about a particular sport. try to give you scenarios that maybe something that happened in Joe when Joe was playing, he can insert that. Well, I remember this happened at XYZ. This is how we handle it. Ocho and I, we try to do that also when it comes to football and try to equate it to other sports. But you guys make it fun. You guys make it worthwhile.

43:09Shannon Sharpe:Reggie Bush at USC or Adrian Peterson at Oklahoma. Woo! God damn, that's a good one.

43:20Shannon Sharpe:AD at his freshman year. But, man, Reggie, them last two years at USC for Reggie. Unbelievable. That dude was electric. You think it was because, you know, he caught out the backfield as well as Rand. AP was more just like. Just hand them all to him, yes. AP was a bell cow back. AP was probably, he's what you do. I'm gonna hand it to you or I'm gonna toss it to you. One or the other. I'm saying he gonna do the rest. Hey Joe, he getting to it. I already know it. I ain't never seen nobody come back from an ACL and kick ass like that. Yeah. Hey, what? Boy, he were crazy. He would punish you too, Joe.

44:09Shannon Sharpe:Oh, you ain't run your ass over. I was dying when the crowd was yelling, flop or flop or SGA sounded like a crowd of them European games. Yeah. Yeah. They don't let you bring those Vuvuzelas back in the game no more do to Ocho. No, that's, that's, they, I forgot, was it the 2014 World Cup? They banned those. Wait, when was the World Cup in Africa? I forgot what year that was. You know, I got one. What is that? I got Vuvuzelas. One of them horns that you blow into? Oh, yeah. It's, hey, when you watch it, when you watch it from home, hey, Chad, what year was that World Cup with the Vuvuzelas? Yeah, they ban those.

44:46Sound like a bunch of bees when you watch from home. Yeah.

44:48Shannon Sharpe:I got a Vuvuzela and I got a didgeridoo. For real? One of those Australian, one of those long wooden fangs that you blow into. Yeah. Yeah, I got that too. They not letting you bring none of that to no game now. No sir, no sir. Hell no. Prime Ocho versus Prime Prime, who would be epic. Unk, what made the Giants in 1988 feel weird? All right, so who's your top five all-star teammates? Same question for Uncle Ocho. Love the show.

45:23Shannon Sharpe:Well, Ocho and Prime, they hadn't settled that yet. Ocho say he going to get it. Prime say he got his foot too far back. So Prime said, nah, that ain't going to happen. Oh, man. What made the game versus the Giant 98? That was the first time that we had lost. We had started the season 13-0 after we had came off the season the year before winning the Super Bowl. We played the game. The game started at like 1 o 'clock on a Saturday or a mid-afternoon game on a Saturday. It just didn't – and the Giants were bad that year. I think they only won five games that year. We won of the five. It was just bad.

46:00Shannon Sharpe:It was just bad all around. And we had – and a matter of fact, we were down the whole game against Kansas City. We ended up having to come back from two touchdowns down. against Kansas City. I ended up catching like a game-winning touchdown with like a minute and 30 seconds left in the game, and we ended up beating Kansas City. It was just weird. Yeah. Just a weird-ass game. My all-star teammates? Yep. I'll probably say KG, Bron, D-Wade. I play with Melo. So, and I'm speaking, you know, Bron, D-Wade, Mello, because I played with these guys in USA in 2006, 2005, 2006. So I spent a lot of time with those guys, and, you know, we played in several.

46:53Shannon Sharpe:If I made seven here, y 'all know they was in all seven of them. Yeah. So we had a good time. So what's that, three, four guys? Who else?

47:08Probably, I'm probably missing somebody, but I'll probably throw Paul Pierce in there.

47:16Shannon Sharpe:Considering the fact that, you know, I was somewhat his rookie, and to be able to be an all-star with him, you know, at that time, I thought that was pretty special for me. So, yeah, those guys were, they pushed me, man. They made me better. What'd you want? What'd you want, quarterbacks? because I played with my team one year. I had Tom Brady as my teammate. Peyton Manning was my teammate. Elway was my teammate. Marino was my teammate. Bruce Smith was my teammate. Thurman Thomas. Derrick Thomas. Rod Woodson. Ray Lewis. Jonathan Ogden. Bruce Matthews. Will Shields. Damani Dawson. Junior Sayyad, Cortez Kennedy.

48:08Shannon Sharpe:Man, I had some hell of an all-star teammates. Man.

48:17Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, you went every year with Peyton and what you call him was there? Tommy. Peyton and Tom? Tom, yeah. Shoot, Ray. Shoot, Ed. Ed, Troy Palamalu. Yeah. TJ went with me.

48:34Shannon Sharpe:And that's a hell of a feeling, bro, to be amongst the greats, the best to play the sport at that time, and you a part of that, like that's a hell of a feeling, bro. That's a hell of a confidence booster too. Oh yeah. Let you know you belong. Man. What's up Uncle Ocho and Iso went crazy, but damn, I got pillow softer than Chet.

49:00Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, he gotta step it up, bro. So he got to be a little more demonstrative as far as, you know, asserting himself in these games. Because, too, it's like he just kind of floating for real. Yes. Yeah. Ocho Aiso, I'm a new fan due to my best friend Roderick. He's a super loyal Nightcap fan. Can y 'all give him a 30th birthday shout-out? And please, I want to surprise him on that road. Thank you for all the laughs, lessons, and drinks. Absolutely. Absolutely. so Roderick happy 30th birthday man your best friend man he wanted you to to you thank you for introducing him tonight introducing him to Nightcap and we want to thank you for introducing him to Nightcap so on your 30th birthday from us Iso, Ojo and Unk happy 30th birthday the big 3-0 no more 20's for you bro man you know what they say in them 30's it's time to get dirty I heard Ocho want to lose some money in CeeLo I'm going to grab that for you come on playboy you know where I'm at make it light on yourself baby

50:17Shannon Sharpe:I'm going into my freshman year at FAMU I've had stigmatism since I was a kid sometimes it's hard for me to talk to girls what can I do to fix this? And you're supposed to talk to me. You're supposed to ask me that. What you mean? You going to fam you? You know what you got to do? What you got to do? Huh? What you got to do? Look in the mirror. That's where you started. You started in the mirror. Work on what you want to say in the mirror first. Build up the confidence. Because it's all about confidence. If you ain't got no confidence just scrap the whole plan. I don't think stigmatism is with the eye.

50:57Shannon Sharpe:Now, he might have a lisp or he might have a speech, it might have a stuttering or a speech impediment. Yeah. But, okay, just for the sake of art, let's just say, I'm thinking he wants to say it's hard for him to talk to girls, so therefore, I'm assuming that he has something to do with speech. No. It's hard to talk to girls because maybe he's shy. Maybe he doesn't have the confidence to do so. A speech impediment doesn't stop you from talking to anybody. Stigmatism is an eye. I think a stigmatism is like one of your eyes. it's like it's messed up yeah yeah i don't i mean hey well shit i gotta stick my eye messed up no you aren't just murky you got glaucoma

51:47Shannon Sharpe:uh black is one walk on my grass that's your ass guys can we can can you congratulate my daughter Zoe on becoming cheerleader. She made the team on the first try. Thank you guys. Zoe, congratulations. Congrats. You made the cheerleading squad. That is a very, very big accomplishment and we at Nightcap are very, very proud of you. Congratulations. Cheerleader. Oh yeah. Can you give Clark flowers tonight on an outstanding W against GSV finally addressing the media clickbait podcasters on her mental health coming back from a year-long injury is saying, give me grace. Look, this is what she's going to have to deal with.

52:28Shannon Sharpe:And I think she's mentioned, I think she's like, LeBron has reached out and they've had a conversation. I don't know if they were going to have a conversation or if they've had a conversation on how to deal with it. But look, this is what comes with it. Since she burst onto the scene, her junior and senior year in Iowa, this is what it's going to be. Yeah. All the great, you know, and all the greats, maybe not to the level of what she's having to deal with it. Right. because now we have more social media and so forth and so, but I think she's handling herself well. Look, everybody ain't going to be happy with what you do.

53:01Shannon Sharpe:I mean, I saw when she walked out with Morgan Whalen and, you know, he had some things to say and, you know, it's just – Yeah. I don't know, man. Caitlin, just keep doing what you do. Keep balling. That's what you – you the ball. Yeah. Your job is to make your teammates better, put the ball in the basket at a high clip, and get the fever to the playoffs and go far. That's all you control. Whether people like or dislike you, you cannot control that. Control the variables with which you can control. And that's how hard you play and how much effort you put into the game. That's all you can control.

53:44Whether people like you or not, that shouldn't be any concern of yours.

53:48Shannon Sharpe:give my shout out to my mom Tracy and sis Cameron alright Tracy Cameron

53:58Shannon Sharpe:here's a shout out nightcap what y 'all do what y 'all do cause y 'all cook cause if y 'all can cook crew will come down there and get a nice meal fried catfish spaghetti so y 'all don't know about the more fried catfish and the more spaghetti places y 'all don't know about that y 'all don't know about that I know about spaghetti. Man please. I know about spaghetti. Huh? Little meatballs in there too? Yes sir. And you probably be eating, you be going to women's house eating spaghetti, don't you? I don't go to women's houses, Unk. That's bad luck, boy. Here, here, no. You let them cook spaghetti for you, you eat it.

54:40Huh?

54:40Shannon Sharpe:You're not supposed to eat spaghetti that women cook. I don't even let women cook for me, Unk. You know what they say. I know what I don't eat. Hey, that's a no-no. Don't put nobody's spaghetti. You want some spaghetti? I make some great spaghetti and lasagna. Oh, no. No, you don't. Oh, no. Not for me, you won't. Oh, no. Hey, that's never been a prerequisite of mine, Joe. Having a woman that know how to cook? Yeah. Yeah, don't come to me talking about what you can cook and what you can do. I don't care nothing about that. That is not for me. Damn it. Ooh, cooking. Lord. You don't like no woman to be the cook?

55:18Shannon Sharpe:Look, I'm like Ojo, it's not a prerequisite. But if you can do it, I would graciously accept it. Yeah, it's cool, it's cool. But it ain't necessary. Don't come in here fucking at my dishes. Yeah, I be trying, I eat on paper. Everything I eat on paper. Yeah, paper coat, paper plate. Paper cup and so on. Oh yeah, I get my paper plates from Publix. I use Dixie. Yeah, hey, the only thing, hey, I have a thing full of knives and spoons and forts. Yeah, yeah. Ain't no dishes in there.

55:58Shannon Sharpe:I love the show and just want to see if I can get my cousin Willie III, my cousin Willie III, and my aunt Dion both turning 39. Also, a special shout-out to my dad, Eddie. also Willie the third Deion happy birthday happy happy birthday cousin Adam and your uncle on the same day damn 39 okay that'll work and a special shout out to my dad Eddie dad what you got going on Eddie Eddie that completes this episode of Nightcap the Thunder Go to Game 3, go on the road, snatch back home court thanks to a 123-108 victory over the San Antonio Spurs. They get 76 points. That's right, the OKC Thunder got 76 bench points.

56:54Shannon Sharpe:Their bench outscored their starters. Jalen Williams had a career high, 18 points. Jared McCain had a career high, 24 points. And Shea Gill just got it going in the second half, and he was sensational. and they win going away 123-108. We'll see. If the Spurs can bounce back, they're going to really need this game for and they're going to have to play four great quarters of basketball because the one thing about the Thunder, they won't go away. They'll keep coming, they'll keep coming, they'll keep coming and you got to play your best basketball for 48 minutes and sometimes it might take 58 minutes as it did in game one to get this victory.

57:37Shannon Sharpe:Thank you guys for joining us. Y 'all know who I am. I'm your favorite on. And there's the guy that's wearing the king hat. That's him, the Liberty City legend. And still. The bingo. Ring of fame. That's fake ass king. Hello. Come on, man. Damn. He's a former all pro and a promo player. That is Chad Ojosico Johnson. And the smooth shooting guard. seven-time NBA All-Star from the Atlanta Hawks, University of Arkansas alum, that is ISO Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit the subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap Podcast feed wherever you get your podcasts from.

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