Nightcap - Hour 3: LIVE from WrestleMania Radio Row: LA Knight, Je'Von Evans & MORE join

20:43Shannon Sharpe:Perfect. We should have got the jeans. They need to be snug because some people have snug jeans and some of them loose fitted. I like it. Not too snug, but not too baggy. Happy medium. If you get it too tight, you can't get it around your boot. You kind of want to have it around your boot. What I do when I get them jeans, I go wear my boots to it, try it on. If it looks good on the boot, it looks good. What brand jeans are you going to be here with? So I wear Aria jeans. These are. We got Aria in Miami? No. What happened to Levi's and Wrangler? See, I used to be. So Levi's, I used to get sponsored by them and stuff.

21:19And they ended up not wanting to sponsor Bull Riders anymore. Yeah. But, yeah, I don't know why. But Levi's was. I like Levi's. But Aria's are my favorite now. Okay. That's all I wear. So if y 'all are. Appreciate your job. Thank you, man. Nice to meet you. Yes, sir.

21:39Shannon Sharpe:I guess y 'all didn't think I knew anything about Bulls. I didn't know anything about Bulls. We had to give y 'all a little inside information. Being on the farm, it comes in handy sometimes because you never know who we're going to get. We had no idea that John was going to join us today, but we're glad he did. All right, coming to the stage now. He's a one-time U.S. champion, one-time NXT champion, Two-time NX North American champion. 2025 Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal winner. That's it. Carmelo Habe. That's all the stats I got. That must be an error or something wrong on that. I'm good, Melo.

22:15Shannon Sharpe:How you doing, bro? Good, man. I mean, bro, that's what you always wanted to be, a wrestler? I know you played football or something. Yeah, so as a kid, I always wanted to be a wrestler undersized. So I'm thinking, I'm like, there's no way. There's no way. So I played other sports, baseball, football. I did wrestling in college. I'm not in college, but like high school. You wrestling, so you, okay. Yeah, to get to where I wanted to get to, bro. And then I felt completely out of love with it in high school, and I got right back to it somehow, and God is good, and here I am. Here you are right now, man.

22:45Shannon Sharpe:How difficult has it, I mean, fans are upset that you're not on the card. Does it get hard to stay patient, not get frustrated knowing that, because if you talk, a lot of people that we've had up here says, you know, the hardest thing is to stay patient because a lot of times people want instant gratification. Well, I just started. I'm ready to do it now three months in, six months in, even a year in. And sometimes it takes three, four. I think one of the ladies told us it took her like five years to make to the main card. So has it been frustrating? How have you been able to stay focused and realize that my time is coming and when my time comes, I need to seize the moment?

23:22I feel like it's staying ready and just knowing that I'm talented enough to, if they give me the ball, it's guaranteed. You know what I mean? I think that's really what my mentality has always been.

23:30Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. You ever heard that phrase, success is not earned, it's given? Yes. I feel like that's a lot with WWE. Anybody, really, it's like until they give you the ball, how will they know if you can score? Right. You know what I mean? Until they put you on the field, how will they know if you can make a play? Right. I think that's really what it comes down to with what we do, is just waiting, I guess, for the ball or waiting for them to put you in. Right. What was your favorite moment? Favorite moment of mine? From the BCU West Open Challenge. With the Open Challenge? Yeah. Favorite moment. I mean, truthfully, probably winning it.

23:59I think winning it, you know what I'm saying? I mean, come on. Like, winning it was cool, man. Like, winning it, like, just feeling the crowd, man, going to the top rope, feeling the crowd lift me up on the top rope. It was a feeling like I never felt in the ring before. And it taught me to kind of start moving with my soul in the ring. Right. So, like, a lot of times, like, I know you guys know we talk about wrestling, right, in the back, and we kind of come up with it. But throughout this whole period, I learned to kind of feel. I don't know how to explain it. Like, I just learned to kind of move with my heart.

24:26Right. And the fans started, like, feeling that. Yeah. And then afterwards, like, I felt like I gave it my all through, like, my body as opposed to where I'm thinking, huh, huh, huh.

24:36Shannon Sharpe:You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you had a conversation with Trick and Oba about, hey, you know what? We might be the next four horsemen. We might need to lead this thing, man. Not a conversation, but I think it's a silent acknowledgement. You know what I'm saying? I think that we kind of all looking at each other like, they should have never given us the ball, man. They should have never given us the ball. And we knew. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Cream rises to the top. But you came, you have a lot of confidence. Obviously, you know, all the sports that you did and you believe that I belong here.

25:11Shannon Sharpe:How important is confidence in this? Extremely important. But I do think it has a lot to do with, and you guys know, man, just being, like, having positive reps. Yes. And doing it and knowing that, you know, there's nothing that I'm going to experience that I haven't experienced before. And I think that's the cool thing with WWE and people's journeys. Like, whoever said they were in NXT for five years, that's a good thing. Because it's not one thing that you probably haven't experienced that you're going to come up here and you don't know how to handle. Right. So, to me, I mean, that's where my confidence comes from, is just being on the independence to get to this point in WWE.

25:44There's a lot of things, just a bigger scale, you know what I mean? A lot of things I had to deal with on the independence that really just, like, set me up for here. I'm like, oh, this is easy now because I dealt with it in the trenches.

25:54Shannon Sharpe:Mello, how difficult is it? Because we've seen Ocho and I playing football. We see a lot of guys do great at practice. Oh, man. They doing everything. They catching the ball. They running the ball. They hitting the hole. They deeing everybody up. But when you put them in the game, they can't translate that. Come on. And I'm sure you've seen guys that like, okay, they're at the NXT level and they're doing everything right. But when they get the opportunity to go to Raw or they go to SmackDown, and it's like, well, damn, bro, why you can't replicate what you've been doing for the last three months, the last three years.

26:26Shannon Sharpe:Why can't you replicate that on the big stage? Come on, bro. I think that Deion Sanders said it. He's like, practice how you play, so play becomes practice. Yes. Bro, come on. That's a good one. I'm telling you, man. I feel like I go so hard in practice, and then the real show is easy. Yeah. Truthfully, it really is. I mean, I don't practice as much as I used to because I'm, like, refined. I got it, right? But, like, you know, now I go out there, and that's my practice. You know, I go week-to-week TV, and then hopefully, you know, when I get on to WrestleMania, that's where it's like let all that show.

26:58But week to week, it's practice. Before you made it to WWE, what's one lesson that you've taken with you that you've never forgotten that has helped you transition? Oh, that's a good question. Yeah, yeah, to this level. Yeah. I think it's just a matter of just being ready for whatever. I think especially with WWE, bro, they be throwing anything at you, and I think it's just being adaptable to whatever and just kind of in the blink of an eye in a moment of being able to just adapt. So adaptability will probably be the biggest thing yet.

27:29Shannon Sharpe:What has been one of the things, the game that you've had to evolve to survive the main roster? Patience, that we talked about. Patience. Just learning how to handle the lows and how to handle the highs. I heard something, y 'all know the Miz, right? Yeah. He told me the realest shit. He was like, if you can handle the bottom and you can succeed at the bottom, he goes, the top is easy. that's it. It's like the top. You'll be good. It's people that only know the top that they got to figure out how to handle the bottom. Right. And that's where the real challenge comes. Yeah, when you handle the – and it's a roller coaster.

28:02You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Just like everything, it's a roller coaster. And how you handle the bottom is how you're going to handle the top.

28:09Shannon Sharpe:When it's all said and done, how would you like to be remembered in this sport? Because you look at – see, I'm saying he's pushing 40. He's about to be – I think he said 47. 48. And you wrote 48, okay. And Ray Mysterio. And you see some of Randy Orton. These guys have been at this thing 25, 30 years. You're a young man. You're just getting started. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, shoot, man. A lot of people, they want to be remembered for, like, I'm the biggest star, right? But, I mean, realistically, bro, I want kids to be like, yo, I want to wrestle like Carmelo A's. Yeah. I think that's my biggest thing.

28:43I'm like, because, you know, there's not a lot of smaller guys. Right. And I think I make it. Probably Ray Mysterio. Ray, Eddie, Shawn. Shawn Michaels. You know what I'm saying? And Shawn's a guy that when people ask me, they're like, who do you? You know, Shawn Michaels. Right. And I want to be remembered as one of the greatest in-ring guys. Yeah. You know what I mean? The superstardom thing, that's going to come with that's going to come. You know what I mean? If they want to make a superstar, they're going to make a superstar. You know what I mean? But as far as what happens in the paint, that's up to me.

29:06That's you. That's up to me. And that's one of the things that I take the most pride in because it's like, hey, they can't control that, man. They can't put a ceiling on that. You know what I'm saying? They put you out there.

29:20I want kids to be able to go, man, when I grow up, I want to be a wrestler like Carmelo Hayes. What's your style? I want to be like Carmelo Hayes or whatever. The same way I do it with Sean and with Eddie Guerrero and guys like that. Do you still get nervous? Because I think about before a game that we play. Yeah, yeah. Every single time, no matter how many years, year five, year six, year seven, even when I get to year 10, when I call that name and walk out that tunnel and everybody's screaming that name, I'm still nervous. I do wonder that. I got butterflies. Do you still have butterflies when you make that walk, even though you're confident in what you do?

29:50Sometimes. I think it's sometimes when you don't think and you're just like, all right, we're going. If your day is going quick and you're just like moving, it's like, oh, my music is playing. All right, let's go. You don't have that. But if you sit and ponder in it, sometimes you'll get nervous because you start questioning yourself. Right. But when you give yourself the opportunity not to question yourself, you're just like, hey, it's just another day. And you're confident in what you do. And also, too, I think nerves sometimes and what we do where it's like so, you know, anything can go wrong at any moment.

30:14Yeah. Like screw yourself up. Right. So I do think you almost have to go in with, like, a bucket. You know what I mean? Whatever happens, happens, and let's just see what happens. What's a typical day, the night of a show?

30:27Shannon Sharpe:You wake up, let's just say, for the sake of argument, you get up at a time. Sure. Let's just say 7.30, 8 o 'clock, you wake up. So what transpires until the match actually happens? Yeah, I mean, so we'll get the TV. Get the TV, you kind of find out what you're doing. You know, a lot of times, sometimes you don't know. That's another thing where you're kind of like, I don't know what I'm doing, but that's why I say adaptability and staying ready, right? Get the TV, find out what you're doing, get something to eat. You know what I mean? You kind of just mentally get yourself ready, figure out what the match is going to be, whatever it is, all the business of what we do and shit.

30:55And then you go out and just perform, and then it's kind of just another day. You know what I mean? When you do it week to week, it just becomes another day. I remember looking at the OGs one time when I first got called up. I was like, dang, y 'all so comfortable. Like, y 'all just really do this. 15 years, I'm like, y 'all just look so effortless, and now I see why. It's just repetition, you know what I mean? Right. Bro, thank you for joining us, man.

31:18Shannon Sharpe:We really appreciate it. Yes, sir. Y 'all see who it is, Carmelo Hayes. Appreciate you, OG. Appreciate you, bro. Thank you, brother. Thank you, man. All right, we'll grab this picture right away. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can I take a picture, bro? Please, please. Yeah. Yeah.

31:43Shannon Sharpe:All right. All the best, man.

31:51Oh, yeah. I feel great. I feel great. Chat, how we doing, chat? How's my hair? I feel great. I feel great.

32:10Oh, yeah.

32:15Shannon Sharpe:Oh, man, it's been a day that's really flown by. I mean, we really haven't had a lot of time. We had to feel it because we went to the radio. Yeah. We had to, we had to, we had to, oh.

32:34Shannon Sharpe:Like, well, Dad, I want you to. Okay. All right. No, but I was saying, that's what I was telling Ocho. I was like, we really haven't had a whole lot of time to have to kill because we signed on and Lash and Neil was right here. Yeah. And, you know, we went to Charlotte Flair and we had Jacob. CM. CM Punk. I mean, it's just been a continuation, which is really, really good. We really appreciate the WWE for giving us this opportunity, and giving us this great stage, giving us the guys and the women to come on. So it's been amazing. None of this is possible without them. So we really appreciate our partners, Tommy John, Ethos, all those people that make this stuff possible, that make Ocho and our job really, really easy.

33:25Shannon Sharpe:But for the WWE to ask us to be a part of this, we can't thank them enough. So thank you again, WWE, TKO, everybody that had a party with Nightcap, myself and Ocho and the team that's done an unbelievable job directing us, getting us in and out of traffic, making sure the reads are on point. So we can't thank these guys enough behind the scenes that you don't get an opportunity to see. You get an opportunity to see Ocho and I and Joe do what we do, but there's people behind the scenes that really have the really difficult jobs and they make sure things go off without a hitch. But I want to thank everybody that's been a part of this, that made this day really, really special.

34:03Shannon Sharpe:Absolutely. Absolutely. And we're back tomorrow, too. So we're back tomorrow, and we're going to be on Saturday night and Sunday night to talk about the matches after they end. So we got a lot going on. We got a lot going on this weekend.

34:21Shannon Sharpe:We got a lot going on this weekend. And so we can't thank you guys enough. You was with us late last night, and a lot of you guys are in the chat with us early this morning. So we can't thank you enough. but I can't wait to get home and get me a nap. I'm exhausted. Hell yeah. Don't want to go to lunch? You leaving. I ain't going nowhere. You say you going home. I leave Friday. Oh, that's right. Today is Thursday. Yeah. So you want to go to lunch? Go to lunch where, don't you? Hey, Ash, Uncle don't want to go to lunch with me again. And I'm right here. I'm right here. I'm right here. I got to go.

34:58Shannon Sharpe:What you call him? I got to go. Oh, you got something to do, huh? I do. We do. I got to get some paperwork signed. What kind of paperwork? I'll go with you. Some issue got me into. Me? Yeah. What time is it? Oh, yeah, we got 21 minutes. Who we got next? Oh, okay. Javon, okay. We got another. Okay. But it was great, man. I enjoyed talking to the bull rider. He was amazing, man. Man, that dude looked like he was like 12. Yeah, he looks small. He looks small, don't he? Yeah, he looks small. Hell, he is small. He is small. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's exciting. That's exciting. That's one thing that you do.

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39:34Shannon Sharpe:details shop now it is so true and i think the thing is is that people think you breed the best to the best and hope for the best yeah and i think you see and sometimes you know you see two parents They were great at this sport, and she was great at that sport. And the kid. Ain't about nothing. And then you take a pair that were okay. One was okay, and they produced a super child. The greatest ever. It's funny how that works. It is. It is. But to hear him talk about it, he seems so down to earth. But, I mean, I know my grandmother and my mom was not going to let Papa or my dad put me on the back of no damn bull at no six years of age.

40:19I like it, though. I like it. That's the world they live in, so they're used to it, you know. So, I mean, I can't wait to get back on there.

40:27Shannon Sharpe:But they do allow you. I will say this. When you grow up with parents like that on the farm, they do allow their kids to do. I mean, they allow the kids to be sitting in their lap and driving. They let them drive, operate machinery, tractors and bulldozers and things like that. It is definitely different than parents that don't grow up or didn't grow up in that environment or have their kids around someone in that environment. So, okay. We got a very special guest. We got Alistair Black and Zelina Vega. Oh, okay. Hi. Good morning. Good morning. You see? One on one side, one on the other. What's up, bro?

41:08Shannon Sharpe:How you doing, man? Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you also. What's up, baby? You doing? Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. All right.

41:16Shannon Sharpe:Oi. No. Alistair and Valina, you know, as a couple, I guess, what is the most fun thing that you guys get to do? Because a lot of times, you know, we've heard CM and a lot of people say, you know what, it's kind of tough on a relationship. if your partner is not in the sport, so they don't really get a chance to go with you. But you guys are together, so you guys kind of get a chance to travel together. So you probably don't have the same hiccups that a couple that's not in this would have. Yeah. I think, obviously, because we're both in the same industry, we both have the same hopes and the same goals and the same mindset with a lot of things.

41:59I think it came to fruition a lot better. we don't have the same struggles as you say but that does not mean that there is within the philosophies within both wrestlers and how we perceive our ability to wrestle as different right obviously he's a very different human being and character than i am uh it sometimes leaves room for the creativity to be kind of discussed within ourselves and my side has always been very creative, whether it's my presentation or my entrance or my character or my style, with her, she has a very different way of creating and expressing herself. Therein lies a lot of growth for the both of us and also a lot of discussion, but it's a good discussion.

42:42And I like that discussion. I welcome that discussion, especially because we have a good marriage together. Yeah. I mean, for me, it's the same thing. Plus, I'm a little bit of a hothead sometimes. So it's nice to be able to vent to somebody who actually will hear me out. Understand what you're going through. Exactly, exactly. And sometimes, you know, if I need help with my match, I'm like, damn, I need to figure out this one thing. Or maybe how do I make this different? Or how can I make this more in the line of what we're doing now is where this darker character goes? Because for me, I'm like, if I were to bring Aaliyah's like Akasha and Sindel from Mortal Kombat as a blend, what does that look like as this character?

43:17So it's just fun to play and have somebody to bounce that off of, too.

43:20Shannon Sharpe:Have you had that, have each of you guys had that WrestleMania moment where you realize like, wow, this is the Super Bowl of the WWE. Yeah. And we're a part of this. That no matter what, 10 years, 15, 20, 30 years from now, you'll always remember that moment. What was that moment like for you? When I had my first WrestleMania experience myself, I remember, because obviously with my entrance, there's the big rise up. And I remember the whole day. I wasn't nervous. I came fresh out of NXT. We were doing NXT, SmackDown, and Raw, like back to back to back. I was tagging with Ricochet. And I remember I wasn't nervous that day because in my head I'm like, if I'm not ready now, I'm not ready ever.

44:05So there were good nerves. And I remember just like, and I can still see it in my head. I have a picture of it as well. When I rise up and I see, I think at the time it was like 78 ,000 people, and I see just lights and all of it. And I'm on top of this ramp and I'm standing even thinking about I'm wearing a hoodie. Of course, you can't see, but even standing on top of it, I remember just like getting goosebumps. And like that's something that will live forever. That walk from the top to down, obviously having the match, but just that little fraction of a moment where you have that five to maybe eight seconds where you just stand there and everything slows down and stops.

44:40And you look out and you're like, wow, if you tell your 15 year old self, hey, man, back in Amsterdam, this is what you're going to do one day. And obviously I would have called myself a liar. But that is a moment that for me will live in infamy until the day I am no longer presence on earth. Absolutely. Yeah. And for me, it was coming out. We just had the first ever Queen of the Ring tournament that I won. So it's cool to know that when I open the WWE history books, the first ever Queen will always be me. That's something that I hold so close to my heart. So it's like getting to do that, hear my name, announced as the first ever queen of the ring and coming down the ramp with this really insane huge crown because I was a little full of myself you know um with my staff and everything getting to see and and just hear my name like that being said like that was amazing and having my family in the front row like that's that's what it's all about really it's just family and seeing like for me I came from queen so to have them be there from jump street till now is just insane so yeah

45:37Shannon Sharpe:If you could book one dream match for WrestleMania 43, no restrictions. Whatever match you want, you get to call it.

45:50I would say me and him versus EO Sky and Rey Mysterio. Okay, that's a good one. Yeah. I'm going to be a little selfish here, though. I'm sorry. I'm going to be a little selfish here. It would be me against CM Punk, simply because there's a similarity, there's a friendship, there's a history. There is a love for a specific type of professional wrestling that him and me both have. And I think we would have the platform and the time to showcase that specific professional wrestling, where my style leans very much into the technical, but the martial arts style. And his is a technical, yet a brawl style with heavy hits.

46:31And I think being brought up in that 80s, 90s wrestling with a lot of technical grapplers and stuff and heavy hitters, I think it would be a very different, unique blend under the umbrella of the WWE with the WWE flair to it.

46:48Shannon Sharpe:Did you always want to be a wrestler? How did each one of you guys get into the sport? I've wanted to be in the WWE since I was four years old. Wow. Yeah, and that's because my grandmother's brother, he's my uncle. He wrestled in Puerto Rico for the longest time. I mean, he wrestled even Bruno San Martino. So it's been in my family for a long time, my cousin, Amazing Red. So it's been in our family for a while, but I remember seeing it even just as far back as 40s. We used to go to Madison Square Garden when I was a kid, so I've wanted to do it forever. But there's always the whole, oh, you're too short to do this, or you're too whatever to be, whatever.

47:23And it's so nice to get to prove all of them wrong every single time. I like it.

47:28Shannon Sharpe:You mentioned you're from Amsterdam, right? Correct, yes. So when did you fall in love with the sport of wrestling? Well, so there is no wrestling in the Netherlands. No. So I remember I was four or five years old, and I'm sitting on the couch with my dad, and he's flipping channels, and we had Eurosport. And Eurosport, for a brief time, had WWF at the time. Okay, yep. And he's flicking through channels, and I see Yokozuna. Okay. And just a brief moment. I'm like, what's that? And my dad even stops, and then he flicked the channel, and I'm like, wait, that go back and obviously didn't go back but for some reason that's in a grain into my brain and then later on we had new japan pro wrestling on tv so i divulged to the orge that and i saw two guys fighting in a ring i grew up in the 80s in the 90s so i grew up with like blood sport and best of the best all these action movies so i'm thinking this is fighting so my parents put me on karate they put me on judo they put me on muay thai and obviously by the age of nine i knew the difference between martial arts and pro wrestling but then when i was 15 i had the uh the opportunity to turn into pro wrestling did that and then my main style became muay thai and kickboxing as my influence and so one helped the other become the become a wrestler so you both you guys have been fans of the basically wwe for an extended period of time yes did you have did you ever dream in your wildest dreams that you would be a participant in the wwe and you'd be on wrestlemania no no no No, absolutely not.

48:51I often joke saying, like, we have to create the mountains to climb over to become a wrestler. So we have to make them first. So, no, I didn't even think that I was ever going to get out of Europe. And never coming out of the Netherlands, maybe Germany. And then it just kind of kept pushing and pushing and pushing. So, yeah, no, never. What is something else that you do like? Actually, both of you. Obviously, your life is dedicated to your craft, to your sport and what you do. But what if you weren't wrestling? What would you be doing? What do you think? Something else that you're passionate about that you don't have time for because wrestling takes up everything.

49:24So I have a wide array of very unique hobbies. Yes. I also do antique trading. Okay. And I do a lot of stuff with that. I do stuff in firearms. I do stuff in gemstone trading and stuff like that. So as a kid, funny enough, this is completely 180. I wanted to be a baker for a while because I thought baking bread was cool. Okay. I know it sounds really stupid. But, yeah, I've always been someone who has, like, a deep interest in a lot of things. But I'd definitely probably be more, like, into, like, antiques and stuff like that still.

49:58Shannon Sharpe:So when you say antiques, are you like vases or paintings? More like art. Artwork, yeah. I collect a lot of, like, tattoo art as well. I'm a big fan of the history of tattooing and stuff like that. I would probably found my way in that. Okay. Okay. And I guess for me, something with animals, because I've always loved animals. Like a bed or something, huh? Something like that, yeah. And just to end it on the last bit for earlier, I didn't have a plan B when it came to what I wanted to do. You was all in on this. This was it, and it's mostly because you talk about being a fan, but I had been a fan all my life.

50:38I used to go to, again, Madison Square Garden with my dad, and being able to be there as a kid, remember where I used to sit and come out later at a, you know, different pay-per-views or whatever. It's nice that I get to do that for me, but also to represent my family. Like, I remember thinking to myself at one point, like my dad passed away at 9-11 in the World Trade Center. Okay, I'm sorry to hear that. Thank you. And it's nice to be able to be, you know, bringing the United States Championship to, like, the memorial and being able to have that and really own that as mine.

51:09Shannon Sharpe:Let him see it and they share that with him. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Hey, guys, thank you so much. Thank you very much for having us. Thank you. Really, really appreciate you guys. Thank you. It's unbelievable to have you guys on. Awesome. Pleasure, baby. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. So nice to meet you guys. Thank you. Oh, picture. Sorry. Sorry.

51:44Shannon Sharpe:All the best. Thank you very much. Nice to meet you. Thank you.

52:00Shannon Sharpe:All right, joining us now is a 21-year-old rising superstar known for his high-flying agility, known as the Young OG, a 2025 NXT Male Superstar of the Year. his debut mania appearance Wrestlemania 42 Intercontinental Champion ladder match here he is Javon hey OG come on you was going a little crazy OG I gotta get it to you I gotta get it to you this is crazy hell yeah I'm fine hey style bro you I mean you all over the place you up in the air hey man twisting and doing all that hey man I'm about to start you know what I mean I'm starting to feel it I hurt you I need to slow down. Right. You feel me?

52:42You have a background at all in gymnastics? Nah. No, at all? Nah, nah, nah. I just learned how to do flips in the backyard. Right. You know what I mean? Okay, same. Yeah, down the hill. You feel me? Yeah. Down the hill, you know what I mean? Nothing too crazy. Right. But yeah, nah, nah. No gymnastics background. I just, I did track during school. I did basketball and then started training at 13 years old. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

53:05Shannon Sharpe:That's live. When you got called up to the main roster, do you remember that conversation? And where were you? Yeah, yeah. It was like two hours before Cena's last show. I'm just chilling. And then Russo, or one of the writers, the main writer for NXT, he's like, hey, like, Shawn wants to go talk to you. I'm like, all right, boom. Go to the office. I walk in. It's Triple H and Shawn. I'm like, damn, what did I do? I'm about to get it. Yeah, you should be. So this your last match tonight? I'm like, oh, damn, all right. But no, I walk in, and then Sean's like, it's like, so, you know, we just want to say, like, NXT, you know, it's supposed to be your year.

53:48But, you know, unfortunately, in the Triple H, in the wrestling, he's like, hey, we're going to bring you up. You're going to roll. And I was like, all right, yeah. You know what I mean? It was crazy. And then, of course, you know, they was putting me on and telling me, hey, like, NXT's still here for you. Like, you know, don't forget about it. I'm like, nah. I just remember the feeling just like, dang. Like, y 'all telling me this on Cena's last show is crazy. You feel me? Right. But it was crazy. It was such a great feeling.

54:17Shannon Sharpe:Did a part of you want to stay back there like, man, I really want this NXT title too, though, while y 'all bulljive it? Yeah, for sure. I kind of want that, man. Hey, can I stay back here just a little while longer? Let me get this title. It did make that run. It'll be good. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, no. I most definitely had those thoughts. But, you know, Triple H knows what he's doing. You know what I mean? He's been in the business for a long time. So I feel like if he has a feeling that somebody is ready to, you know, get called up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, that feeling, obviously, there's excitement.

54:46This is the finish line. This is the big stage. Yo. Is it any, is it, I don't want to compare it to, like, getting drafted too, right? You think about all the work you put in, the sacrifice, all the obstacles we had to overcome. You think that feeling is the same. Obviously, you see when somebody, a player gets drafted, the first thing they do is they cry. Yeah. Because they understand everything they went through. Was it anywhere close to that when they told you, listen, we bringing you up to the big stage, anything close to that? Oh, for sure. I feel like, you know, I was a little bit emotional.

55:14Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was more like I was, you know, hella excited too. You know what I mean? Like, y 'all just telling me this before I got to wrestle on Cena's last show. So, and now I know, you know, this next Tuesday is going to be my last Tuesday. Right. It's going to be on next Monday. And I'm like, this is fire. You know what I mean? Like, this is tough. Right. But no, it's such a great feeling, man. I'm just blessed to be able to do all this at the age of 21, for real. Right. You know what I mean? That's just like, and I got so many years left. You know, I'm just blessed, man.

55:48Yeah. For sure. Go ahead, Ocho. Now I'm going to say, inspirations that are rasting right now, people you look up to. Yeah. So most of the time you pull from other people and they have certain paths that you want to follow to make sure you continue that same success on that route. Who would be one wrestler? I don't know. I feel like that's kind of hard for me because I don't want to trace somebody else's footsteps. Right, right, right. You know what I mean? You want to trailblaze your own path. Yeah, I want to make my own. You know what I mean? And I do study, like, the way, you know, Shawn Michaels got to the top, the way Randy got to the top, you know what I mean?

56:28But, like, that's just for me to learn and for me to accept and not accept, you know what I mean? Like, the feels they did, you know, like, what did they learn? So now, okay, I know I'm not going to do this, you feel me? And I kind of just take that with me on my own road, you feel me? Okay.

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1:01:30Shannon Sharpe:You begin your wrestling journey in 2018. Yes, sir. And your name was Jay Malakai. And so it was. Yes, sir. How you come up with Jay Malachi and then you transition, now you the young old G? All right, so we're going to be real, real, real. When I first started, I think I had my first match. It was Jay Malachi, but then I turned into a name called Kid Black America. Right. You know, I had a dad. His name was Captain Black America. Right. You feel me? We were just causing ruckus on the wrestling scene in North Cackalacky. You know what I mean? But no, so, you know, my real name is Malachi, and my last name starts with Jay.

1:02:13And my grandma will always call me Malachi Jay, you know what I mean? And I just remember, like, coming up with names. I was talking to my trainer, and I'm like, okay, let's do, like, Malachi Kid. He's like, you're not going to be a kid forever. I'm like, okay, you're right, you're right, you're right. I'm like, let's try Malachi Jay. I'm like, okay, cool. And we had it for one match. And then my trainer, the next match, he flipped it to Jay Malachi, and I was like, no, it's Malachi Jay. He was like, no, no, this is Jay Malachi. I was like, all right, hell yeah, tight. Hell yeah, hell yeah. And then I just, you know, started to learn more about myself and kind of just adding my real-life situations, my real-life attributes and attitude to my wrestling.

1:02:52And I was like, damn, like, the young OG is tough. Because, you know, I had OGs, you feel me? So I called myself the young OG. And I used to call myself the Tupac of this generation. Right. You feel me? You know, just a little something.

1:03:03Shannon Sharpe:Right. All right. Winning the 2025 Iron Survivor Challenge. Yeah. What did that do for your confidence? It boosted it. Boosted it for sure. I feel like I was, how can I say it? It was something like I knew where I was going to go. I knew that I was going to get called up soon. You feel me? so when we had that when I won I was like hell yeah but if I win the NXT championship then I'm only going to have it for a week or two weeks and then go to the main roster it boosted my confidence but it boosted my confidence more for the main roster I feel like that kind of added a

1:03:56what's the word like an achievement under my belt You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah.

1:04:02Shannon Sharpe:You lasted 40 minutes in your first Royal Rumble. Yeah. Did that prove to you I belong? Did it show them this kid belong? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Honestly, I don't know what it showed them for real. You know what I mean? I know for me, it was just more of like, dang, like I'm in here with all these OGs. You know, I'm in the ring with people I grew up watching. You feel me? Like, it's such a crazy feeling. So it did, you know, it did help me out. You know what I mean? I feel like that boosted my confidence for real, just being able to hang in a ring and being able to be the last few in a match where, you know, the last few are like the top dogs.

1:04:43Right. You feel me? So it was great.

1:04:45Shannon Sharpe:It was great, for sure. Bro, we appreciate you joining us. Here you are, the young OG. Come on, y 'all. I appreciate you, aunt. Yes, sir. Oy. Oy. Thank you. Appreciate y 'all. Congrats on everything. Thank you. Thank you.

1:05:06Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:05:19Shannon Sharpe:That's it for us, right? Okay. Hey, hey, y 'all.

1:05:27Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I'm gonna wait up. I'll hold it then. Dang.

1:05:39Huh?

1:05:42Shannon Sharpe:That's fine.

1:05:51Go ahead, Ocho. Chad, how y 'all doing? I hope you all enjoy yourself. Obviously, I'm excited for WrestleMania. Obviously, here in Vegas at Allegiant Stadium, I would love to go. I can't go because Ung didn't invite me. He won't hang out with me as usual. But I hope you guys enjoyed everyone's story, what they had to talk about today. We had some legends, some icons, especially.

1:06:20Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, it's been amazing. It's been really amazing. It's definitely been amazing today. This is what it's about. I mean, look, the WWE, a lot of times when you come do this and you do it and they don't give you the athletes or the people that you really want to try to help them do what they want to do. But that's not what they did today. That's not what they did last time. Last time we had them on, remember we had Triple H and we had Taker, we had Shawn Michaels, you know, Charlotte Flair joined us again for the second time today. So it's been unbelievable. WWE has always done everything. Come on.

1:06:56Shannon Sharpe:Has done everything. Yep. Here he is, a two-time United States champion, two-time Mania appearance, WrestleMania 42, six-man tag team, L.A. Knight, the Uso, Iso Speed, Logan Paul, Austin Theory, the Vision. L.A. Knight. Hi, man. How you doing, bro? I'm doing great, man. I'm just trying to recover from last night. What happened last night? Did we miss something? I was in my room just doing nothing. I was reading the Bible and stuff. That's all. No, we were having a good time last night. That's all. Just getting our feet wet in Vegas. Right. You're going to be in this match with Ice. I mean, WWE has always done a great job of bringing celebrities and other entertainers outside of the sport and introducing them into the main event.

1:07:43Shannon Sharpe:What's that going to be like for you? Well, this ain't my first time. Look, with Logan Paul back in 2024, you mentioned two-time U.S. championship. I won that championship off Logan Paul. So, for me, it's kind of our audience gets a little hot sometimes when you bring in the outsiders. And especially when it's somebody who maybe they haven't paid the dues, maybe they haven't respected the business, yada, yada, yada. And they try to get up here to hold on that. Yeah. I'm the pro here. Slow down. Yeah, exactly. And so we got to slow them down a little bit. Yeah. And, you know, when you're thinking about iShowSpeed, well, I'm going to show Fist right in his face, and that's what we're looking at.

1:08:21So it's going to be a good time. But I've got to give him credit because you talk about the crossover. You talk about the appeal there and whatnot and how we've been very good as a company at making those things work. They just put out a stat. I think the views on, I think iShowSpeed got pushed by Logan Paul into the back of me. It's the largest viewed, highest viewed clip in the history of any of our social media clips. So I can respect that. I can take my hats off to those guys. But at the same time, Saturday, it's going to be a hard, long night.

1:08:50Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. I mean, you think about it, man, L.A., the reach that the WWE have. And you talk about a Logan Paul who's supremely athletic. I mean, he could really do this full time if he really wanted to. For sure. And in all honesty, he's been putting his heart and soul into it. Again, I can take my hats off to that. I know a lot of people don't like him. But the bottom line is he's been showing up a lot more often. He's not as part-time as he used to be. He's in and he's doing it. Yeah. And it's showing. So, I mean, I at least got to get props for that. And then speed with the attention and the eyes that he's going to bring.

1:09:23Shannon Sharpe:He's international. I mean, he goes everywhere and he got thousands and thousands and thousands of people just following him around. It's crazy. And to be a part of this. Yeah. It's such a different universe, too, because it's like, you know, from being in sports, TV, everything, now all the streaming and everything, it's such a different animal. such a different universe. And it's so crazy to see that because it's like, I don't know, it's just completely different. But it's cool. If you can make that work to where now we can bring the two together, his audience comes to see us, our audience sees him, man, we got a nice symbiotic relationship there.

1:09:58Shannon Sharpe:You look at the involvement with Speed, and he's added to the chaos to your match. So how do you, I mean, like you said, Jake Paul has kind of been at this for a while. Logan. Excuse me. Jake's boxing. Jake's boxing. Logan has been at this. He got busted. Logan has been. The same thing happened to him is what's going to happen to I Show Speed on Saturday. But that's the thing. He's going to be drinking through a straw, huh? He's such a beginner. Yeah. He's not like Logan. Logan has been at this for a while. And so, you know, you would probably be able to do things and go a little further with Logan.

1:10:31Shannon Sharpe:Oh, yeah. Than you will with Speed. Yeah. But I see him practicing. I see him jump off the top rope. Because he is athletic now. He is. And that's going to get you only so far because when it gets down to the business. Is he gritty? Exactly. Are you going to spare him or are you going to give him any grace because he's new? Or is it? No. Probably not. No. No, I don't think so. Look, here's the thing. You can tell he's a little nervous about everything. You were talking about with the training thing. He's doing all the flips and everything. That's his one advantage. He's got speed. He's got quickness.

1:11:05He's got agility, the ability to jump and all that stuff. But when it comes to like, all right, well now, can you grab this dude in the hold? Can you slam him? Can you punch him? Can you kick him? That's the part where we're going to see what he's got.

1:11:15Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Can you get thrown into the ropes and not go through the ropes? Dude. But can you just get thrown into the ropes? Because look, we're used to that. Like me and the other guys, but like, have you ever hit the ropes? Have you ever been in a ring? No. It is shocking. Like, because I mean, it's literal, actual rope that is pulled tight as hell. Yes. And when you get in and you hit it, you get nasty marks and welts. It's just kind of like, I don't know if you ever played guitar or anything like that. You kind of build up a callus. You play guitar? Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Like those first little bits, it hurts.

1:11:47It's got to build up a callus. Same thing with hitting the ropes. That first time you hit it, you're like, oh, my God. Right. And then after a while, you get used to it.

1:11:54Shannon Sharpe:You get used to it. He ain't ready for that. But is he going to get used to the falls? Because that's what you really get used to. that's what you know you know like when somebody slams you you know uh when you do somebody suplex you or you do drop kick oh my god you jump off the top rope yeah you know how to hit that ring it's jolting it's it's it's a padding but still first week of training like way way back uh i think i was just popping advil all day because i mean it was i had a headache constantly because it's just the jarring of the neck the back all that stuff so it's serious business and when you're And a guy who doesn't ordinarily do this, that's gonna be another factor to look at.

1:12:32Yes.

1:12:34Shannon Sharpe:Your rise in the WWE felt very organic. Coming up. The fans just gravitated to you so naturally. Why do you think that was? Man, I don't have an answer for that. Everybody comes up and tells me something different all the time. You know, some people tell me this, that. You look like the guy next door. I am. That's me. No, usually it's like, you remind me of the guys from back in the day. hey, you remind me of the guy's me attitude there, yada, yada, yada. I had a guy last night at the bar. He's a little tipsy, and he couldn't stop telling me over and over again. Right. But, you know, just tell me, yeah, I like the way you talk all that trash, blah, blah, blah.

1:13:07I'm like, all right, man, I'm going to keep doing that. So I think it's just that. When I'm out there, I'm like in a trance. I believe every single word I'm saying while I'm doing it, that being the case, there's something in that that just grabs the people. And then you get in that ring, you can actually handle your business. Now you've got the full package. Put it all together. I'm what I would call a professional wrestling wet dream. Right. I'm everything you want.

1:13:32Shannon Sharpe:I think the thing is, though, is that you might have a greater appreciation for the WWE because of how much time you spend on the independent circuit. Oh, sure. Because it's kind of like a guy, you know, a baseball player. You go to the minors, but you spend six weeks in the minor, you have a different appreciation of a guy that spent six years in the minor. And you're talking about not just appreciation, but frustration. It was so long being on that outside. You're just like, man, how am I not here? Right. But in a weird way, it worked out just right. Because I think if I had gotten here too soon, too early, I don't think it would have worked out the way it did.

1:14:11Because it was just like the way I came in, as seasoned as I did, and all of a sudden, and everybody talks about 20 years to get an overnight success, but that's pretty much how it happened. Right. And yeah, at this point, we're riding the rocket ship,

1:14:22Shannon Sharpe:and it's been three years strong. A lot of people compare your promo style to The Rock and Stone Cold. Yep. I get a lot of that. And I can see that. I hear it in the tone and inflection of your voice. That's just my voice. I can't do anything about that. You know, I wonder, though. I wonder because I watched so much of them in high school. Yeah. Like I had, like, you know, the VHS tapes that The Rock says and all that because Stone Cold said so. So I probably just embedded that stuff so hard in my head that that's just my speaking voice now. But I'll hear Flair. People say Piper. Okay. I've even heard Shawn Michaels, which kind of confuses me sometimes.

1:15:03But it's all in there because I just took all this stuff in since I was like five years old. It's just wrestling was my life, and now I'm living that life.

1:15:13Shannon Sharpe:He's a two-time United States champion, a two-time Mania appearance. He's one and one, and he's going to be a part of the six-man tag team. Here he is, L.A. Knight. Thank you, bro. Appreciate you, man. Oy!

1:15:29Take a picture. Yes, sir. Appreciate you,

1:15:38Shannon Sharpe:bro. Thanks, man. Appreciate you, boss, man. Thank you. It's a pleasure, baby. I watched you for so much. I lived in Cincinnati. Oh, for real? I started wrestling there for my first six years. Okay, okay, okay, okay. We were packed around on TV all the time. Yeah, appreciate it. All right, appreciate you, bro. Thank you guys for joining us. We'll be back tomorrow at 2 p.m. Eastern, right? Mañana. Oh, 2 p.m. Pacific, so 5 Eastern. All right, so we'll see you tomorrow. If you're on the West Coast, it's 2 p.m., and if you're on the East Coast, it's 5 p.m. Eastern. 5 p.m. Eastern on the East Coast, 2 p.m.

1:16:09Shannon Sharpe:on the West Coast. Thank you guys for joining us.

1:16:43We'll be right back.

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