Nightcap NFL Recap - Part 2: Top 10 QBs entering 2025 + Garret Wilson got PAID

24:37Ocho:It's going to be interesting You're right Ocho The question is can they protect How good is the defense going to be Because look That division You got Tennessee Tennessee is going with a rookie CJ Stroud We love what they do In Houston Indy Indy is kind of unknown Seems like they're leaning towards Daniel Jones that's what it looks like to me Ocho now you can whatever I don't think you bring a guy give a guy 14 million for him to be a backup listen that's you know what that's I can't say what I want to say because those conversations that I had were unjust for me not to be repeated on here but what you just said is is what it's looking like I'm going to say I'm just going to tell you like that how do you go yeah it's unfortunate unfortunate it's unfortunate and this is coming from in there reliable source i'm not adam shepherd but i'm i'm let me take my glass off so you know i ain't bullshit reliable source come on man oh joe how they gonna pay how they gonna pay how they gonna come in and pay somebody that works up under you more than they pay you if they're not bringing that person in there to take your job you know what they do yeah i know what they do when they signed him 10 14 million yeah absolutely absolutely but again is he the answer is he the answer you ask because he wasn't the answer in new york but you think something changes because you come okay tell me the question you're asking and then i tell you if he's the answer or not when you talk about the answer i need a question i know listen i know one thing they got goddamn jonathan taylor back there alec pierce Michael Pittman Jr.

26:25And God damn, it's one more. They got a nice little squad over there. I can't remember his name. Yeah, they got a nice little squad now. They got a nice little squad. And the defense ain't too shabby now. The defense ain't too shabby. Hey, Zaire Franklin might be one of the best in the NFL. I'm not saying he's not Fred Warner. They got Hunt.

26:45Ocho:They got a nice little D-line. Yeah. Hey, who's the DN? that's real good in Indy. It's a D and he make a whole lot of noise. Pity? No, I think he went 99. I could be wrong. Came from San Francisco. Okay, okay. They got Alec Pierce. They got Josh Downs. They got Michael Pittman Jr. Okay. Alec Pierce is the one that went number 10, huh? Hey, Alex Pierce. Boy, you could go. Boy, you hear me? Yeah, he be cooking for it. you can boy you can go every time every listen every time i turn around he did he behind somebody

27:31he be cutting

27:35Ocho:damn joe after herbert came in at number seven jeremy father spoke to an afc executive who praised his steady play but made an interesting observation about how he's perceived around the league he's always been a top five top eight qb accurate to all levels athletic sound decision maker the exec said it's almost like he's underrated now in my opinion he's taken for granted

28:03Ocho:huh all i know is that man had a 27 point lead and they lost that underrated quarterback that we're talking about yeah yeah hey you know what games like that if you got a 27-point lead, you know what the number one thing you need to have with a 27-point lead? Being a game manager. The one word that quarterbacks don't want to be called, that they think is so bad, you manage the game. You be a game manager. I'm not saying it's simple. It's easier said than done. But your decision-making, the way you process information with a 27-point lead, it becomes different. You don't put the ball in harm's way.

28:44you don't want three and outs you want to you want long drives kill the goddamn clock the

28:51Ocho:greatest game manager or and the greatest quarterback and the greatest quarterback they're the same player tom brady look at tom brady in that in that that super bowl against the rams he realized that it was going to be a man look here 10 10 13 points might win this game right right then he said if you go you go look at carolina he said man we'll shoot out we got a we got to score.

29:17Ocho:How many times you see Tom Brady blow up 21 point lead, a 14 point lead because he understood the one thing that I admire most about him. And there's a lot of things that you can admire about Tom Brady is that he understood in the first driver to what type of game it was going to be and what type of game he was going to need to play. Bro, I'm going to need to throw for three 50, 400 in this game. Nah, one 45 and no turnover is going to win it for us. sometimes you get so caught up in who we are i'm great i'm great let me show everybody i'm great in all situations when that's not needed tom understood that even as even like in the beginning he was a purely a game manager they played to their defense but even after he became tom brady tom brady the tb12 the historically and transcendent figure that he was that he is he still understood his role.

30:09Ocho:Man, I can't turn the ball over. Yeah, simple. Simple. A lot of quarterbacks don't understand that because they get to a certain level, they feel, excuse me, I got to play at this level. Nah. Sometimes it doesn't require you to throw 300. Sometimes 150, one touchdown, then no turnovers. Or you can throw for 350, but you have three picks and lose the game. The choice is yours. Yeah. And Tom has done a great job of that. There have been few and far between games in which you're like, well, Tom, hey, yeah, Tom, you know, them turnover there, they hurt us. He understood. And sometimes, Ocho, you have to – he fell behind and you have to like throw, throw, throw.

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33:27Ocho:Oh, yeah. Yeah, me personally, I don't think Justin Herbert is underrated. I think he's rated about where he's supposed to be. I think he's a very good quarterback. I think he has some great talent around him. But I don't know, underrated, where – I mean, who you putting him in front of? Yeah, five to eight. Okay. And I know people say, well, if you gave him that situation, what Jalen Hurts had. Ooh. Okay. You got to be with the situation that you got. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. All the comparison, the hypotheticals, it makes no sense. You are what you are. I think you put any of the top quarterbacks in Jalen Hurts' situation, I think they win in the Super Bowl.

34:21I think they win in the Super Bowl.

34:23Ocho:Yeah, I mean, look at the offensive line. He got the... If you said, okay, the 10 top offensive linemen, he probably got four of them four of them four the two tackles are definitely going to be in the top 10 no questions asked you can make a case that Lane Johnson is the best now when wait make a case wait whoa Lane Johnson is the best right tackle when you say I'm just humane tackle now when Big Trent healthy Big Trent held he's the best left tackle in the game we can't forget Deion Dawkins Deion Dawkins played left tackle or right left guard But you look at Jordan Maialata. You look at Landon Dixon.

35:03Ocho:You look at the center. I think it's Juergens. They lose an all-pro, a Pro Bowl center guy that's going to the Hall of Fame, and they get another one coming in and take right off. Fill him right back in. And then we talk about Lane. Lane is what he is. Lane is Lane. He got the right name. His mom, when they named it, they named the right thing. Because when you run to that side, it's a damn lane. Best believe it. so he he got the right name but me personally evaluating looking at all these quarterbacks and see where they're ranked I don't think I don't think Justin Herbert is I'm not taking Justin Herbert over any of these guys that's in front of him I'm not taking him over Matthew Stafford I'm not taking him over Jalen Hurts I'm not listen I don't understand I don't understand what the exec did or what they were looking at or how they made the assessment where they had Jaden Daniels at fifth and the Super Bowl winning quarterback at eighth or seventh.

35:59I don't have it. At ninth at that. I don't understand that. Are they using the talent around him against him? Yes. And saying they're putting Jaden Daniels at five because he did more with less? Not more. Obviously he didn't win that specific game, but still.

36:16Ocho:But even the Super Bowl, they lost. He played extremely well. He had those two costly turnovers. But if you look at it, he played extremely well. And you know, you can't turn the ball over in a situation like that and he had the one turnover but they overcame it and they forced mahomes and that team into more turnovers and they won the game going away the game wasn't even close it wasn't even interesting after the first couple of drives um yeah but i don't me personally i don't think justin herbert it'll be interesting to see what the chat thinks but i don't think justin herbert is under is uh underrated speaking of hurts nick seriani went off on critics who say Jalen Hurts was carried to the Super Bowl by his team.

36:52Ocho:Yeah, that's BS. Anytime I hear that, it's cool. It's like, it's a nice debate thing that people like to have, and I get it. There are a lot of hours on TV and show and radio stations that have to fill it to be able to debate. I understand that, but we're talking about the ultimate team game. There it is, and he does whatever he needs to do in order to win each and every game. Ocho, is the criticism of Jalen Hurts, is it warranted? you know what I don't think because the game is not pretty he's not throwing for three 400 yards every game you know they don't drop back and throw the ball a hundred million times you know they don't have to I like the quarterback that Jalen Hurts plays I like the way he plays the game the game of football is not complicated huh it's really simple I'm going to take what you give me I'm not going to make any mistakes I have Saquon Barkley I'm going to hand it off to him he's going to make things happen.

37:48And when it's time to play the ball, when it's time to throw the ball, and we have plays for A.J. Brown, we have plays for Devontae Smith, some games, A.J. Brown is going to be mad. Why? Because they W, but Devontae Smith is going off. Then you have some games where, hell, A.J. Brown is going to go crazy. And Devontae Smith is not going to get the ball. That's the way the game is played. It's simple. At times, we tend to complicate it because it doesn't look pretty, and it's not aesthetically pleasing the way Josh Allen does or the way Joe Burrow throw for 400 yards. That's not the game. That's not the game that they play over there in Philly, which is probably why they're going to be back again in the Super Bowl.

38:28Ocho:Let me tell you, Ocho, look. If I like you, I'll make a case for you. They held it against Terry Bradshaw. Nobody's ever said Terry Bradshaw was the best because why? He had the best offensive line. He had a Hall of Fame center. He had two Hall of Fame receivers. He had a Hall of Fame running back, and he had five, six Hall of Famers on the defensive side of football. And he called his own play, so he never got the credit. They didn't hold it against Joe. Joe just happened. I can make a case. When people talk about the best players to ever play, there are three names that always come up. Tom Brady, Jerry Rice, and Lawrence Taylor.

39:02Ocho:Yes, sir. Sprinkle Jim Brown in there. They never held that against Joe. Now, I think a lot of that had to do because Joe won two Super Bowls before Jerry ever set foot in San Francisco. So Joe was Joe before he got there. Right. But, yeah, I get it. He had offensive player of the year in Saquon, the best running back in football. Okay, he got the best offensive lineman in football. He has two very good receivers. A.J. Brown is a three-time Pro Bowler. Devontae Smith is probably the best number two receiver. That's what, you know, 1A, 1B, whatever you want to call it. Yeah, 1A, 1B. 1A, 1B, yeah.

39:44Ocho:Peyton, they didn't hold that against Peyton. Hall of Fame, Marvin Harrison. Hall of Fame, Marshall Fault. Reggie Wayne is going to go to the Hall of Fame. Jeff Saturday is going to go to the Hall of Fame. Dallas Clark was a Pro Bowl tight end. Didn't hold that against Peyton. Brandon Stokely, quality as well. A lot of times where people gave the nod to Peyton, I mean to Tom, is because Tom didn't have any of that. until he got Randy. You look at Wes Welker, undrafted free agent. Julian Edelman was a seventh-round quarterback out of Kent State. You look at Dan Amendola. I think he was an undrafted player.

40:26Ocho:Deion Branch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All those guys. What was the number 80? Troy Brown. So it was like he didn't have these big-name receivers that you're like, oh, I got to have him. I would take him. You're choosing those squads. You're like, oh, okay, I'll take him.

40:47Ocho:Look, I can't punish the man. They did a great job of, look, they had a quarterback in the second round. Howie had the forethought, the foresight to see that, yeah, we gave this guy a lot of money. And you hear a lot of things coming out of Philly, and you heard some of the stuff that's coming out, and I don't know what to believe, but allegedly, you know, So, you know, Carson Wentz was not the easiest to deal with, and you couldn't tell him anything. Right. Jalen snuck right on in there. So you say, you know what? I like this guy. Let's build around him. Now, that offensive line was already intact.

41:28Ocho:Lane was already there. That had Jason Kelsey already there. Dixon. Because Dixon got there the same time. Dixon was the first-round pick, and Jalen Hurts was the second-round pick. So they just filled in the spots. They got Devontae. And next thing you know, they make a trade for A.J. Brown. I don't know what the hell Tennessee was thinking. They get rid of A.J. Brown, and it's like, well, we got a younger A.J. Brown than Traylon Burks. What? Yeah, listen. I don't know who idea that was. In 15 regular season games last season, Hurts threw for 2 ,903 yards, 18 touchdowns, five interceptions. His passing touchdowns ranked 20th.

42:14Ocho:His passing yards ranked 26th. Ocho, that's what – they're not a throwing team. They're a running team. That's what I said. Notice I said simple football. They don't complicate anything. We're going to take what you give us. So what we're going to do is that we're going to prove to you that our quarterback can throw the football. So we're gonna mess up this dynamic that we got just to prove something to you No, damn y 'all object the object to get the object is a game win And that's exactly what they do we got to run it 50 times We're gonna run it 50 times if we got to throw it 50 times. We'll throw it 50 times We're gonna do whatever it takes to for us to win the game.

42:55Ocho:That's the object. Hello You play to win the game when the game

43:05Ocho:No. Is he going to be with those numbers and that system? It's not predicated for him to be an MVP. It's not. Right. He's not going to throw for enough touchdowns. He's not going to have enough passing yards. Not when guys are tipping 5 ,000 every year. Guys are in the high 30s or the mid 40s as far as passing touchdowns. It's not conducive. What it is conducive for is him to be playing a lot on the last Sunday last Sunday or the second Sunday in February. It's conducive for that. And so you have to wait. What are you looking for? What are you trying to accomplish here?

43:47Hey, they win them. They win them ugly, huh? They win them ugly. Like I say all the time, the way they do win is not aesthetically pleasing to others, which is why they rank them how they rank them.

43:59Ocho:Yeah, I mean, if you get into a passing contest, could he throw the ball like some of the guys? No, that's not what he does. Not what he does. He wins. Yeah. What we got here? Niners, Jawan Jennings wants a new deal or a trade. He's scheduled to make$7.5 million in the final year of his deal. It marks the second straight summer. That's it? You got to understand, Ocho, he was the third receiver. Remember, they had Debo there. They had Brandon Ayuk. They gave Debo the deal first. They got Brandon Ayuk last year. So you're the third receiver. You know, hey, you're not going to get that many targets.

44:38Ocho:Hey, that's pretty good. Seven and a half million for a third receiver. But he said, nah, I ain't the third receiver. He ain't the third receiver no more. Huh? How about we pay him for all those times Christian McCaffrey, all them times Christian McCaffrey made some of those long runs. You know who sprung him open? Oh, Juwan Jennings block. He's one of the best blockers. who are receiving football. Yeah. Come on now. Let's reward young bull for the dirty work that people don't get to see. I agree. It marks the second straight summer. The 49ers are in a situation where a receiver wants to be paid or traded.

45:12Ocho:Last year, it was Brandon Ayuk. Jennings has approached the 49ers about the request, but little progress has been made. If a new deal is not reached by the time training camp starts next week, Jennings plans to request a trade to a team willing to pay him. at this time of year, ain't no team willing to trade. Ain't no team willing to pay nothing. Yeah, you got to be careful too. You got to be careful doing that too. You find yourself on the street, get the minimum contract. Listen, that's no disrespect to him, but you got to be able to pull that off, you know, them type of shenanigans. You got to be that boy.

45:49Now, I'm not saying he's very, very good at what he does. Very, very good at what he does in that system. But you have to understand, look at the landscape of the NFL, look at the other teams, and see where you would fit in, where you would still be able to contribute the way that you did here in San Fran. Because everybody else is already set, if you think about it. Everybody has their 1, 2, and 3s already. You know, we just had a draft. So you have to be careful in saying, you know what? Okay, you know what? I don't want to be here no more. I don't want to be here no more. Okay, but where am I going?

46:18Ocho:Hey, you see what it do, Ochoa? If I work at a fast food restaurant, I'm working to the busiest time. The busiest time between what? 11 and one. Hey, y 'all give me a razor. I'm up out here. I don't know who's going to cook these fries. Hey, what? How much I make it? 13? I need 16 to the hour. Right. I'm sorry we can't do that. Okay.

46:39Yeah. One thing about it. On that run, they had that I'm going to just call it historic season because it was to me when they played the Chiefs. Jermon Jennings was phenomenal. When Brandon Iyuka went out, when Debo was hurt? You know who was making those plays? Yeah, that was last year, Ocho. I mean, last year. I'm tripping. My bad. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You know who was making them plays? Jawan James. Yeah.

47:03Ocho:Had a career year. So he showed not only can he block them. Oh, yeah. Not only can he block, he can catch them. Yeah, for sure. I like it. But I just don't know, Ocho, with the money they just paid Purdy, the money they got tied up in McCaffrey, the money they got tried up in Kittle, the money they got tied up in Bosa, the money they got tied up in Fred Warner the money they got tied up in Williams, Big Trent yeah

47:35oh no you could do you could do something because you ain't paying me no 7 million not them peanuts no disrespect to those that are watching in the chat I'm speaking in football NFL terms peanuts come on now

47:47Ocho:can you give us one more year like that

47:52and they gonna play with you again. They're going to play with you again.

47:59Ocho:Nah, they won't play with him, Mocho. They just know that, okay, you know, we're going to be able to pay him. Plus, the thing is, they got Pearsall, right? Isn't that the guy they got from Florida? He ended up and he came back. He played well down the stretch, Ocho. So I can see a full training camp under his belt. I like him. I like him. I like Juwan Jennings, too. Yeah, he's going to be all right. The Steelers are favoring only six of their 17 games this upcoming season. Week one, minus three at the Jets. Week two, Seattle Seahawks at home, minus one and a half. Week six, the Browns, minus six and a half.

48:39Ocho:Week nine, the Colts, minus three and a half. Week 15, the Dolphins, minus two and a half. Week 17 at the Browns, minus two and a half. Should Vegas be giving Aaron Rodgers more respect? I mean, Vegas is going to base everything off the Aaron Rodgers we saw last year. Vegas is going to base everything off the Aaron Rodgers we saw last year. And he's a year older. Yeah, and what I do know what we're going to get is we're going to have games where Aaron Rodgers looks like Aaron Rodgers of old. Then we're going to have games and we'll be like, man, what the hell was that? That's just the nature of the business as you get older as a quarterback.

49:17We're going to have flashes of brilliance. We're going to have flashes of that's why he's a four-time MVP. But then you're going to have some games where you're going to be like, man, what the hell was that? And he's not in a position anymore with this type of quarterback that can elevate the players around him. He's going to need the players around him to elevate him and make his job easy.

49:39Ocho:It's happened to all of them. And I'm old enough to remember them. Because the quarterback used to elevate the player. They say rising tide raises all ships. And that's what the really great quarterbacks can do. They can elevate everybody around them. But as they started to get older, they needed the players around them to lift them up. Right. So because guess what? Now I need a lighter boat. So in other words, you go back and go back and study history. Look at the guys. Look at Peyton and look at Tom and look at all those guys. As they started to get older, guys that have won multiple MVPs, guys that have won multiple Super Bowls.

50:17Ocho:Look what it took. Look at Tom and Tampa. Yeah. Look at the defense he had. Look at Chris Godwin. Look at Mike Evans. Look at what they had. Let's be real. Look at Peyton. He got to Denver. Look what they had. They had Decker. They had Julius Thomas. They had Demarius Thomas, rest his soul. They had Wes Welker. They had Stokely there for a minute. Yeah. No Sean Marino in the backfield. so as as as the quarterback's quarterbacks got older you know joe joe a it it take it just takes more the guys that you just can't do it it doesn't have you know it is what it is and and i think the thing is is that when you see that you understand it and uh they're looking at like yeah he ain't he He don't have that Eagles offense around him.

51:14Ocho:He doesn't have a Saquon. He doesn't have, you know, I like DK. And I think, what's the other, Austin? Calvin Austin III. They got some quality receivers. I like Prymouth. Yeah, yeah. Offensive line, I need the offensive line. But your best defensive player is unhappy with his contract. T.J. Watt. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, you know they got Jalen Ramsey over there, Joey Porter Jr. Darius Slate. And they're... Are they going for it? Hey. Hey, well, that defense is going to be nice, boy. So what are you going to do? Are you going to put Jalen Ramsey in safety?

52:02Oh, shoot. That's a good question. No, no, no, no, no. I think you're going to have Jalen Ramsey. Damn. What are they going to do? They need to put him in safety. So now you got me thinking. You got Joey Porter. He's staying on one side. So where's Slay going to go?

52:20Ocho:You think Slay might move to safety? I think Jalen Ramsey can transition because I think he can transition to safety better than those other two guys can. And then when they go three wides, he can jump down the slide. He can go out and Darius Slay can go to the nickel. Okay, okay. I like that. I like that. Either way it go, when the Steelers play the Bengals We know what's going to happen, they still going to get this work You think so? They still going to get this work Yeah, absolutely I love Slate, I love Joey Porter Jr. too I love Jalen Ramsey But when you play the Bengals And this is to all my Steelers fans that are watching As much as I love y 'all because I sure love you And you sure love to me But we going to get You doing a lot of talking, you doing the kind of talking last year too We beat the Steelers Y 'all did Yeah, okay I'm just letting you know we're going to beat them again and we're going to start the season 5-0 have y 'all ever started the season 5-0 when I was playing yeah yeah 2005 we started oh my bad 4-0 yeah but this year this is the year we started out 5-0 so we don't have to rely on no teams at the end of the season sitting there by the goddamn jumbotron hoping to pray somebody else in the game hoping to pray Hoping and praying.

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