6ix9ine and Adam22 Reunite for an Epic Podcast After 8 Years of Beef!

31:05It's bullshit, you know what I mean? It was just that there's no loyalty in that shit, you know what I mean? You don't see that small ass chain he gifted him? I didn't actually see the chain, but. He was so embarrassed that he put that small ass chain on him that he had to put his own chain on him. But then after the video was done, he took his chain back. Okay, so was this story looping around to Hell Rail or it was just Dipset in general? No, I was talking about O-Heads, so I brought up Dave East after I heard him. After I heard Hellra. I mean, that is like, it's funny because, you know, you were like in your path to try to make it.

31:40You like worked with a bunch of artists that like did not make any sense for you to be working with. Like the fact that you have a Bodega Bams collab from that era. Like all these different artists. Shout out to Righteous P. That was all Righteous P moves. Righteous P felt that that was the right way to go. Oh, yeah. I mean, at that point in your career, you'll do whatever to try to get any kind of attention, right? Bro, I was so hungry, I was like, I'm gonna make it no matter what. Imagine how much odds are against me. I'm Spanish, I'm not white or black, right? Suicide boys are what? White. White.

32:16Puyah and them, they could have Latin descent, but they were really considered white boys, right? Yeah, for sure. For sure, right? We definitely thought of them as white. Yeah, I thought of them as white. Good energy in. Ah. Good energy out.

32:34Storm. Zero sugar, 200 milligrams of caffeine, and immunity support. Storm. Energy for life. Bones. Was white as fuck. People like that, yeah. That was that area, yeah. Remember Bones? Bones was like long hair. Dark. Staring at the ground. And if you weren't white, you were black. Ski mask. XXX. So imagine a Mexican kid that's delivering food, all odds against him, no money. Nigga, I had it harder than all of those guys. Because I keep saying it, people want to ignore the facts. If you're not black, you're not allowed to rap. English, like people, bad money. Nigga, English, rap. Now, no interview has ever contested this in one.

33:27I did Vlad twice, I did Danza, I did Trappler Ross, I did academics. Spanish people are not allowed to rap and not allowed to hip hop. You were born in Bushwick, Brooklyn, right? I mean, New Hampshire, but you write Bushwick. how many Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, Colombians, whatever is born into poverty with hip hop? They're right there. They're right there. Yeah, yeah. But in terms of who people want to listen to, it's kind of profound how few Hispanic people have really made it to superstar status in the rap game. You can't. It's hard. If we can name a hundred black people, we could, for the next five minutes just keep naming.

34:17But to come up with Spanish people, we could take 30 minutes, it's gonna be hard. Now people are like, but Fat Joe, nigga, Fat Joe was literally in 2002. It's embarrassing that we have to name a Spanish rapper from back in the day. Oh no, but Cypress Hill, name me one Cypress Hill song. I can't. Jump around. All right, you're from LA, right? Are they from LA? Yeah. Are they from LA? I think, yeah. Everybody thought they were from Boston, but I think they were from LA. But either way, House of Pain, Dope, one song. Also, they're not Hispanic. I don't even know why I was talking about them. No, you're thinking of Cypress Hill.

34:51That's what I'm saying. Oh, wait, I thought you said House of Pain. No, Cypress Hill. This is why you can't have a drink. Because I just see those... Cypress Hill, yeah, all right. Hits from the Bong, Temples of Boom. I used to listen to them a lot in elementary school. But elementary school for you was... The 90s, mid-90s, yeah. That's not embarrassing that you have to name shit from back in the day? No, yeah. I mean, even in LA. LA is like all Hispanic people are basically, very few have made it. For five minutes, right? Let's name black rappers that are successful. Just all of them. All right, Wadji.

35:26Blueface. Meek Mill. Freeway. Offset. Quavo. Takeoff. Quavo praying with a blunt in his hand. Juice WRLD. Mm, X. Ski Mask. We could literally do this for five minutes. That's embarrassing. All right, now let's do Spanish Hardest. That Mexican OT and D-Baby, who you offended. All right, no, no, I didn't offend because I'm Mexican, but listen, has Mexican OT, let's just spit facts, has Mexican OT meets mainstream or he has a Mexican fan base? Yeah, not mainstream. Exactly. Has Cuevo had mainstream? Yeah. Has Offset? Had Juice WRLD? Has X? Has... Rick Ross, right? Drake, right? Nicki Minaj, right?

36:15Diddy, right? Were you conscious of this during your come up? No. Like how hard it was going to be? It's hard, bro. Let's go back to Spanish. Let's take 10 minutes right now. Go ahead. Little pump. For sure. But you got to understand. I want people to know. LA is the center of the universe for Mexican rappers trying to make it. And there's very few success stories. But let's not distract, right? I want people to show how hard it is, right? To be in hip-hop as a Spanish artist. Yeah, yeah. Give me a Bat Bunny English song. I don't listen to this. No? All right. Bat Bunny is total foreign shit. It's foreign because why it's in Spanish, but people's like, no, Bat Bunny.

36:56Nigga, Bat Bunny is not a rapper. Nigga, he's a reggaeton artist. What do you think the root of people preferring to hear music from black people over Mexican people is? That's what I'm saying. What do you think the real reason why is? I don't know. But remember, if I go straight to racism, it's like, no, this guy's trying to put a race card. So what is it? You don't think there's something about the soul of black people? What do you mean? I don't know. You think there's something inherent to black people that makes... Like, stereotypically, black people are good dancers. I think it makes sense to be like...

37:30Maybe stereotypically, black people are just better at music. They got that soul. I mean, they say it. Black people love to get on Twitter and say, we got soul and white people don't. All right. They might have a point. No, it's not that, because look, look at Eminem, right? Right. Why is he so big? Because white people go and attract to like, oh, I can't be black, but I could be an Eminem, right? Look at a G-Eazy, look at a MGK, look at a Jack Harlow. We've never seen a white, we've never seen a white Pusheisty. We've never seen a white gangster. All right, your white Poushiesty is Eminem. No, but he's not, none of the value proposition with Eminem is being tough or gangster.

38:15With Poushiesty? What about the new guy, the Rugrat kid? If Poushiesty tells, it's over. What about the Rugrat? He's doing his thing. He's got a lot of potential. Poushiesty could tell, and people were sweeping under the rug. Like, same way people sweep it under the rug. T.I., Gunna, T. Grizzly, Young Thug. Okay, but if Poo Shackley gets his chain took and they pistol whip him, beat the dog shit out of him, look at Shy Glizzy. Shy Glizzy gets beat up, gets his chain taken one time, it's over. Because the whole thing was him being super gangster. Shy Glizzy came back, though. With what? With that song.

38:52What was that song by Shy Glizzy he came back to? The White Girl song? Was that after? Nah, it was a Shy Glizzy song. He came back after he got robbed. I'm just saying, And like, if your whole thing is being gangster, it's very hard to continue after that. But no white guy, like if MGK gets beat up, who the f*** cares? No one cares. If GEZ gets beat up, who cares? They're not supposed to be tough guys, so it don't matter. Black people have like a monopoly on gangster hip hop content. Yeah, but they also - Sliver of Hispanic people. Yeah. So what I was trying to, you know, say is just like, I had it harder than everybody else because I had something to prove.

39:28You know what I mean? No, I feel it. For sure. but so we do that interview four months later Gummo comes out what changes in that time period and how conscious was the decision of me uniting with these bloods is going to change my perception because I definitely think that you could have been a big rapper you could have been a Suicide Boys level rapper but for sure it felt like your association at that time kind of took it to a different level and shout out to Suicide Boys obviously they're huge, huh? Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

40:06So when we did the interview, right, XXX is huge at this time. Like, meaning in the underground era, he has to look at me, but it's like, it wasn't moonlight yet. Yeah, because I interviewed him a year before you, and it was blowing up, but it was - Remember, he was in jail for the shit. Yeah, that's when - And everybody was waiting for him to get out. So while everyone was waiting for him to get out, you know, shout out to Solomon Sounds, my boy. He was XXX manager at the time. Solomon Sounds' best friend was Chris Higetor. So my mom was sick in the hospital 2017 summertime. And right before something like May, June, or July.

40:52One of those three months.

40:57everybody knows at this point i'm trying to do anything to make it right i know all odds are against me my mom is sick in the hospital i hit up solomon sounds on instagram say yo look at me bro give me a chance i probably still have a message if you want facts right i believe you so i'm like um yo bro give me a chance give me a chance bro this time the third and he said, yo, come meet me at this Starbucks right now. I got the host team over there. So I'm in Bellevue Hospital with my mom. She's on a hospital bed. And I leave the Bellevue Hospital and I walk down First Avenue all the way to the Starbucks, all the way on Soho.

41:37So imagine, for people that from New York, Bellevue Hospital is like on First Avenue and just locate Bellevue Hospital, right? No, just locate Bellevue Hospital. I walked from Bellevue Hospital to a Starbucks that was all the way in Soho. Probably 40 blocks? 45-minute walk. Okay. 40-minute walk. So I go, I'm sweating, I'm with me, Tripe Drew, and I believe Linda was a girl that we used for a car, but we didn't drive that day. Shout out to you, Linda.

42:21I go there, Solomon comes out for two seconds. He's like, yo, I'm mad busy right now, yo, just tell my boy all you need to know. Chris Higato, his best friend, comes out. He's like, give me your number, blah, blah, blah. So we end up signing a management deal with his best friend thinking that he's gonna connect me with X this then third. Chris Higetor best friend is Seiko Billy. So you see how everything starts aligning? Got it okay. So every studio session that Chris Higetor will book Seiko Billy will be there and then Seiko Billy that you interviewed is a part of the nine trade bloods and he was who introduced me the shoddy the first day we shot gumbo did you know any bloods or any gang members at that point casually in sumner in some of the projects where i'm from there was a lot of sex money murder um you know there was a lot of herx you know bro but remember this that i just did with trap lord ross people don't understand that being in a gang doesn't make you tough right and i try to give shitty ass analogies like look at charlie kirk the guy who killed him he was standing on business he did it for what he did right um and it's not like a diss to charlie i'm just saying regular people like luigi mangi only killing the and allegedly right but just say he was the one who killed the ceo of the healthcare being in a gang doesn't make you tough there's people who are not in a gang that stand on business you know we're all born into poverty we're all born into these minorities where you know everybody wants to make it out people look at it like oh you joined the blood the gang for an image, nigga, no.

44:22When I met Shoddy and them, you know, I seen the momentum, right? But me saying, oh, no, I'ma turn blood for success. That doesn't make sense to a person that's from New York, because we all grown up around Crips, Bloods, and New York is Crips, Bloods, dominated, right? There's neutral people who just stand on shit, you know what I mean? And I don't know if I'm explaining it right, but being in a gang don't make you tough. It just doesn't. Rob Markman, Would you say that you were naive to the risks associated with spending that much time or being that closely linked to gang members? Rob Markman, Like what do you mean?

45:08Rob Markman, Like I mean obviously so many bad things kind of like eventually stemmed from you being associated with the gang that wouldn't have happened if you had just been like, you know what, I'm gonna get full time security and post up in the crib and not really, you know, you being associated with that street element is what got you in so many issues. Exactly, so now let me explain to you. Me doing that, I wouldn't live that whole 2018 run. Because I'd be like, yo, you guys just come off a music video. I was actually living that, like, alright, this is what we doing, we running down on niggas, I bet.

45:37We gonna go test that nigga, I bet. We gonna go rob that nigga, I bet. We gonna go do this. I lived that imagine me do the alternative thing yo get security do this do that do this I wouldn't be the sixth time that I am today I went to jail for all that shit thinking these guys were my brothers you know these guys were sleeping on f***ing rugs you know what I mean these guys didn't have shit like like if we're being honest Mel Murdo right being the godfather of non-trade was living with his baby moms on Marcus Garvey and Gates. But these are facts people are going to ignore because they're like, oh shit.

46:17Let's act like we didn't hear that. But I mean, to normal people, to me, it's not a surprise at all if you were to tell me all these gangster dudes from all these gangs in LA that go viral talking about shit, talking about street politics on Instagram, whatever, like, vast majority of them don't have any money. There's just not that many ways to make money as a street dude. You're not going to be a crack kingpin. You're not really running a prostitution ring that you're making crazy amounts of money off like you know but what you are going to get yourself to do is a lot of bullshit because these are the types of dudes who are sleeping on rugs so when you come out saying like yeah these are some dirty bloods we were all shocked but also most people who've been around new york knew that but i said that at the end yeah i didn't say that like when i was with him i said that at the end when i was just seen

47:08how disloyal they were. Because remember, at that time, the feds already picked me up and were like, yo, we offer you protection. Everybody knows it's public. They're going to skip that part that I denied the protection. But they didn't tell you, like, we have a bunch of shit on you. They can't. They told my lawyer, because I went with Lance Lazaro, and they told him, listen, we're investigating your client. But we can't discuss in detail what, but he's been investigated and we have every right to believe his life is in danger. Does he want the protection or not? And I was like, nah, I don't want it.

47:55And for me denying the protection, they took us all down November 18th because they intercepted the wiretaps with Jim Jones, Shadi, and Mel. So do you believe that Jim Jones is working with the feds and that's why he never got in trouble for those phone calls? Or do you think those phone calls are just not incriminating enough? You can sit there and be naive, right? If you're like, yo, homie got to get violated, man. You know what I mean? Everybody get arrested and they use those wiretaps in the trial. So if you're using wiretaps that were in the trial to convict nine train members, why are you not arrested with us?

48:33You're non-tray. All you rep is pulling with the B's and all this and non-tray and you rep all of that. People that don't like me gonna be like, nigga, what? It's clear as day. You're on a wiretap. Everyone gets arrested but you. Like, what? You just want to be stupid and not be like, oh, shit. You right? But remember, people are fighting, like, if we agree with him, he's right. But if we disagree with him, no, but, no, no, but, but, but, no, no, but, you know, you're just fighting it. It's clear as day. I mean, I've had a lot of other people like Wack suggest that, that he doesn't see why Jim was never facing charges.

49:20Do you know John Gotti? I'm aware of him. John Gotti had a wiretap to kill Sammy the Bull. Right. When you finally find your thing, you want the whole world to know about that thing. So you use a thing called Canva to make it an even bigger and better thing. Whether you want to create flyers for that thing, make presentations for that thing, or design merch for that thing, you can do anything. So people can see your thing, feel your thing, love your thing. The next thing you know, it's a thing. Canva, the thing that makes anything a thing.

50:01John Gotti and the person he was on the phone with to kill Samuel Ebu were indicted because of that wiretap. Yeah. Saying super violate him, it feels like it would be hard to make the case that that means kill him in court though, right? All right, fine. So why did Shadi and Mel get arrested for that? I mean, then they have a bunch of other shit on them. they were being investigated since 2013 who was jim jones enforcer since 2009 eight right who no yeah like am i making this up like are you just guessing names so my thing is if you've been a non-trade member since 2009 i don't meet these non-trade members since till 2000 late 2017 right Why are you interested?

50:52Yeah. Bro, I'm just stating facts. I don't know how... You have to not want to believe the truth. Like if your mom is trying to tell you, yo, Santa's not real. Santa Claus is not real. And you're just so in denial that you don't want to hear it. You're just going to make up every excuse. There's no point. You know what I mean? So I never planned on even saying this on camera, but when I was in New York most recently, I went to the Bronx and filmed this vlog with a bunch of Bloods shooting a music video up in the Bronx. Bronx, right? Everybody got the red rags on. It's like gum out part two. And the next day, Jim Jones has like some random dudes like waiting outside my hotel and shit.

51:30And one of them like came over and took a picture with me acting like a fan. But like everybody I was with peeped the energy that like we could tell that this wasn't that. And then like, I don't know, like they didn't do anything, but it was like Jim Jones still being on his like weird intimidation program He really wanted to let me know you can't come out here and hang out with a bunch of Bloods in the Bronx without getting permission from me. Because I had been trying to interview him on that trip, but it was right after the Rolling 60s Rico. So even though it don't make any sense, he's like, oh, No Jumper's the feds.

52:03No Jumper's the feds because Brick Baby got caught up on this Rico, even though he didn't get charged for anything that has to do with No Jumper. Yeah, but you did it, right? Did what? Like, you filmed with the Bloods. Yeah, we went and did the whole video. It was whatever. It was fine. All good vibes. Everybody was cool. So what message did he send you? He didn't message me, but he was talking to somebody that I was with, acting crazy as f***, just acting like he was going to get me hurt or whatever. And these dudes are waiting outside my hotel. Yo, can you Google real quick, Don? How old is Jim Jones?

52:35He's probably a solid 50, right? I've seen a meme today. But that's not embarrassing. Like, you're 50, 49, 50. Let's take a guess. Take a guess. I'm going to say 50 on the dot.

52:51Mafi says 49. I'm going to say 48. 49. Which, for the record, legend. One of my favorite rappers from when I was young. But, I don't know, I feel like a lot of stuff in the light looks a little silly coming from him. Yeah, you're 49 years old talking about blood shit. You know what I mean? Like at the end of the day bro, you have white hairs on your f***ing beard. Like you know what I mean? Like it's just embarrassing. You know what I mean? But you think there's a time limit on that s***? Or like a time where you should just kind of pivot out of that? Become a different person? I don't know. What would you do?

53:31I would hope that I would be a little bit, you know, more aligned with where my age was at at that point. That's your answer bro. Like he's 49 gang - f***ing gang banging. Academics is my boy. they tell academics all the time, niggas start a family. Like, if academics gotta start a family at 30, nigga, stop gangbanging at 50, nigga. You know what I mean? But do you think that about yourself? Like, there's gonna be a time where you gotta just put a suit on? Yeah, of course. Well, you know, dress your age, you know what I mean? You can still do other shit. Like, you know what I mean? Like, party hard, but do it in a suit, nigga.

54:07Like, you know what I mean? Like, dress your age. I mean, we would think of Charlie Kirk differently. He's 40! If Charlie Kirk was wearing a hoodie and cut off jean shorts, nobody would be as likely to have taken him seriously as an intellectual or as a political figure. You know, like you're really telling the world something about yourself by rocking the suit, even though for me, it sounds hard. I'd rather wear some sweats.

54:37You know what hit what hurt Jim Jones ego? that versus with with with the law versus the lock yeah when jade kiss got on the mic and said none of these niggas live in miami these niggas live in miami i'm on the block ever since that versus and look it up jim jones moved back to new york and said i'm on the block like now like Like, you know what I mean? That versus, what's his name? Jerekes exposed these niggas. Like, these niggas live in Miami. Like, I'm on the block still. Like, you know what I mean? Which, at the end of the day, it's 2025. That happened 2020, 2021. You know what I mean? These niggas is old, bro.

55:21Like, why are we even, like... Nah, definitely. You know? But, so, okay. Like, me and you had another weird encounter at one point on Melrose. You were in like the store next to my store on Melrose. It was like a sticker store, no? Yeah. And I just kind of like walk in and randomly see you. And I don't remember exactly what time this was, but I feel like this was like right after Trippie started going at you about the charges that he had just found out about. No, he didn't just find out. He always knew about that. Okay. But he had just like recently made this his campaign. And so you're Mr. Canceled that week or whatever.

56:01and I remember seeing you and shaking your hand saying what up, but it was like you're smart, you're looking at me in the eye and you can tell that that's what I'm thinking about and so, you know I kept it short, I was like yo how you doing it's good to see you, but then I kept it moving and I felt like me and you never had a conversation after that because you immediately looked at me as like alright he's not going to hold me down while I'm going through this shit he's not going to like really, I might have said hi to you but I'm not being 100 % cool to you and you were just immediately like I'm never with him again.

56:31So then after that you blow up and you're like, you know what, like, I don't need to be cool with anybody that like halfway with me on my way into the game. Yeah, I'm very, I'm very

56:47loyalty focused. Yeah, but I'm like, I'm very observant, like, you know what I mean? And I I see what Trippi was doing. Man, Trippi was cool. So I think what happened with Trippi is just clear as day. He introduces me to his label owner, right? Because the label owner requests it, which is Elliot. I go through the meeting with Elliot. Elliot signs me, well, you know, offered me the deal somewhat around that time. Seven months, eight months later, when I take the deal, He's like, yo, this kid is growing fastest, faster than me. I need something to, cause remember this is 2017. Those charges with the minor was 2015.

57:36He grabbed onto that, said, I need to throw as much dirt on his name. He's already signed to Elliot, like my label owner. I need to create some type of controversy or say something so, you know, to get him dropped from a label. Stop your momentum. Stop his momentum. F*** everything. You know, like, I'm cool. Me and Trippi never had an argument. So there was no personal beef that led to him saying that. So 2017 was when I signed to Elliott. Those charges were in 2015. Right. He always knew about it. Because at this time, I'm no longer with Zelikami. He's saying Zelikami, send it to him. It was just like, I don't know how to control this anymore.

58:27I need to stop him in some way, somehow. See if people stop with him. And Trippi goes on that campaign of like, yo, this kid is a pedophile. I need the world to know. And I made a video, you know, in the car. You know, I'm like, yo, why are you doing that? We never had an argument. And I clear it up in my side with academics at a restaurant. I explained the whole situation. And people were like, oh, they looked into it. they were like, okay, why is he dying in jail? If there was a girl that was raped or if there was a girl that was, you know, taking advantage of, why is he not in jail? He doesn't have, at that time, 2015, I have no money.

59:05That was even before I met you. That was Bodega Bam's time, Shinigami. But even during that whole time period when I knew you weren't f***ing with me, I felt like people were being, like, pretty disingenuine about how they talked about that situation. Because people are really getting on podcasts and being like, 6ix9ine's a pedophile. I'm like, if you read what he was accused of, he like hopped in a music video with a girl and then basically figured out she was underage when the cops showed up at your door. Yeah. Because you were the one who uploaded it. But you made a good point, which you kind of reiterated like a hundred times to Vlad, which is basically like, why would I upload it if I knew that?

59:42And then people were like, well, you'll upload it in whatever, right? But the judge, so you're saying Instagram commenters and YouTube lawyers and internet lawyers are smarter than a judge, a state judge. A state judge, before he or she lays down a sentence, they dissect facts. you know there's mitigating factors that come into play there's sensing um submissions right from the prosecutors and thing a judge is not going to say hey you know what there was a child involved take probation no judge is going to do that a judge sees the facts sees everything submitted sees what these instagram lawyers and youtube lawyer commenters and right and they're like no but oh my god you know what i mean it's just like yo bro these are the facts why are you so mad at it i know in their heads they're like i hate them so much i want to believe my own truth but just look at the sentence in minutes look at the judge the judge is like you didn't get any jail time and you know jail time how long was the probation No, I got dismissed right there because I was sentenced October 29th or 27th of 2018.

1:01:08And when I caught my Rico case, November 18th of 2018, that canceled out because I caught the Rico case. But the probation was probably like, if I'm not mistaken, what, two years? Yeah. So, okay, we got to rewind a little bit. What, like, why did you fall out with Zillikami? I want to know your version of that, especially given that his career has had some weird twists and turns over the last year or so. Yeah, and shout out to Righteous P because, but isn't it so ironic that they try to push this pedophile story and then he gets caught with a minor? And he's like MIA now. Yeah, after the whole minor shit.

1:01:49You know what I mean? But that's not ironic. And shout out to Righteous P, you know what I mean? I mean, I guess, I think me and Righteous P are cool now. from my, you know, understanding and feelings, right? Me and Righteous P talking. But touching this topic, I don't know. I don't want to disrespect him, but you see how just God works. And knowing Righteous P, he's an energy guy. You're like, no, he ain't God. But Righteous P is a great person apart from, you know, the difference I had with his little brother. If people don't know, Righteous P is the guy who found me and made me a rapper and discovered 6ix9ine working at a bodega.

1:02:33But Righteous P, little brother, actual little brother, same mom, same dad as Zelikami. So Zelikami called me a pedophile, tries to get Trippi to turn on me, feed him this information. But you fell out way before that because you had already taken his name out of your videos when I met you. 2016, 2015. 16, I would say. So, Zillakami wasn't part of Scum Gang. We started Scum Gang, I would say, 2014. What does Scum stand for again? Society Can't Understand Me. There you go. I got it as my first tattoo. I always liked that, honestly. Yeah. So, Righteous Be discovers me in this bodega 2012, 2011. I would say, says you start rapping, blah, blah.

1:03:27We attempt this rapping shit 2013, 2014 during Hot Nigga, you know what I mean, like Bobby Shmurda and the Fetty Wap era. So we tried this rap shit, 2014, I would say 2015, 2016. Three years we're trying this rap shit, we're like, yo, let's try it, let's try it, let's try it. I guess he gets tired of like, yo, this shit's not going anywhere. you caught this case you know i linked it with so smula it's not going anywhere let's try putting my brother in his brother was probably 16 17 at the time 2016 and um i could see like they're trying to replace me with so smula and zelikami you know I'm not stupid.

1:04:16Like we just spoke about, I'm very observant. So I see that they're trying to replace me.

1:04:23And one day they're like, yo, you're not doing what we're telling you to do. They changed my password to my Instagram. And when they changed the password to my Instagram,

1:04:40Like, that was the last straw for me because I was like, yo, what are you guys trying to delete me? Like, you know what I mean? And if I'm not mistaken, they was like, nigga, we made you, we can delete you. I'm like, no, you cannot. I was right on the email with Instagram. I'm like, nigga, this is me. This is my passport, nigga. You know how they make you hold up your ID and you're like this? Yeah, yeah. That was me. Nah, definitely. Yeah, and then I got my Instagram back and I was like, fuck Zillikami, fuck these niggas. Okay. And that's what I felt, you know what I mean, at that time. And I'm just like, and then, you know, fast forward 2017, I meet Trippie.

1:05:16They see that, like, oh my God, he's signed to the same label as Trippie Redd with this L.A. Grange guy. They start going, telling Trippie, yo, you know, this guy's a pedophile, and Trippie's like, you know what? Yeah, he's growing too fast. He's a pedophile. And that's how it happened. It's crazy, because, like, you look at that scene at that time, like, so much good music. Could have came from you, Zilla, Trippy, etc. staying on good terms, you know? Like if you guys had been like the way that like at a certain point Future and Thug and the Migos were and shit where they're just going back and forth doing verses for each other.

1:05:53I mean that would have been like a kind of golden era for that era of music and instead it kind of like felt like it just sort of fizzled out at a certain point. Yep. Like I said, I don't think I would have blew up with that underground shit. You know what I mean? And I'm going to tell you why. Look how long Trippi, don't mind that. Zillikami and Sosmoola been rapping since 2016, 15, 15, 16. They just blew up, what did we say, 2022? Something like that, yeah. Remember they had the World Star shit and all their success in the underground? Because people looked at him more like a new XXX? Kind of.

1:06:43How? People were looking for X's replacement for all these years. That whole rage sound just kind of disappeared. Oh, and for people that don't know this, yo, my God, damn. This is something nobody knows, and I'm going to expose it here. you remember the Zillikami's famous bazooka picture? Yes. That the first person to ever do it was Rondo No. 9? No. It was Rondo No. 9. You remember? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Didn't it belong to Slosher? And then it belonged to Slosher. Yeah, yeah. So shout out to Slosher. Because, all right, the crazy thing is that in that vlog that we did, Slosher says something about having a rocket launcher, and then he told me that the cops went to his house.

1:07:25No, the feds broke down his door. Like a couple days after that vlog came out, which keep in mind at the time, I'm a YouTuber from L.A. I'm not thinking that New York cops are watching what I got going on. Like, that blew my mind. But it wasn't a rocket launcher, right? It was the rocket launcher practice. Because the same thing with Rondo. Like, he had, like, the training missile launcher thing. I don't... No. It wasn't the real deal. I don't believe it. I don't know the picture no more. Oh, okay. But that's crazy. But they stole that from Slosher. Yeah. But would you say that at that time you were more of a fan of the drill music and shit than the underground sound?

1:08:00Yeah. Because when you said put a hole in his head, he'd a dolphin, that's an L.A. Capone lyric. Yeah, that was an L.A. Capone song. That a lot of people from that era kind of recycled that, but it always stood out to me as like, oh, he's probably more of a fan of the street shit, so that was probably more of a natural thing for you anyway. I was a big fan of Ron DeNombe9. Yeah. Everybody knows this, you know what I mean? That these bitches and they hang with me. Mm-hmm. You know, the song is old, but if you play it, I know every word to it, you know what I mean? I'm a big fan of Hang With Me by Rondo.

1:08:30I'm a big fan of Play For Keeps with L.A. Capone and Rondo. You know, Rondo No. 9 was like, if it wasn't A$AP Rocky and Rondo No. 9 were like my influences to be a rapper. Rocky, huh? How do you feel about how his career has fared? Nah, man. I think he's good. He has babies with Rihanna. but when you look at his musical career and the fact that he he look we made him sound like a baby mama well i mean it's true like you all right like say you made 10 million dollars off crypto but your rap career completely falls off we could all look at it be like shit he's killing it in one way but like ultimately we don't know that's not you but like i'm just saying like we all judge each other based off like music ultimately because that's kind of how we all know each other right Like, if you make$100 million off your girl, it's like, shit.

1:09:25Yeah, you win. But also, like, everybody in the rap game is always going to be like, you know, he didn't make it as a rapper. So we're going to look at him a certain way. I don't know. I mean, I was a huge Rocky fan, and I see him trying to, like, float singles. I was a big-ass Rocky fan. He keeps trying to float singles, and they don't take off. So then he won't put an album out. So now he hasn't put an album out for, like, eight years. Bro, I understand it. But listen, I'm a big-ass Rocky fan. A$AP Rocky, I'm a big ass out. You know what I mean? Bro, this kid influenced my whole career from What's Up to Angels.

1:09:58If I'm not mistaken, sorry, it's 2012, 2011. Angels, What's Up.

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1:11:09Work, work remix. Like, yo, bro, that was like my inspiration. like what put the battery in my back to be like motivated like yo I gotta make it you know you're spending a lot of time in Harlem and shit around then too no fuck no no okay I don't even think A$AP is from Harlem he's not he's from the South Bronx right I'm not mistaken yeah that's crazy I think A$AP Ferg was from thing and A$AP Yams which were Harlem natives and you know remember they bro they were so ill with the shit member um Ghost Perp Ghost Perp they took his Space Ghost Purp. Space Ghost Purp. What was it called? Black Klan or some shit like that?

1:11:44Raider Klan. Raider Klan, bro. They took their whole shit. If you were born a few years earlier, you could have been in Raider Klan. For real? What age is that? Shit, I don't know. But when I was hanging out with like Xavier Wolfe and Bones and then that was like, they were fresh off leaving Raider Klan to start their own thing in like 2016, you know? Like there was this moment where that shit looked like it was going to be huge. But then it actually fell apart because because Perp had like a journalist following him like a writer from the Fader and they said something he didn't like so he punched him in the face.

1:12:14Who did that? Perp, Space Ghost Perp. Oh, okay. And then that f***ed up, that created a lot of tension. There's a crazy story about A$AP and Raider Clan like fighting at a festival and shit. Yeah, because I'm not gonna lie, A$AP Rocky was my idol before my come up.

1:12:35and it was all these YouTube videos how A$AP Rocky ran off with Space Ghost Perp. Space Ghost Perp? Yeah. Am I saying it right? Yeah, and kind of blackballed him a little bit. So he ran with his shit, blackballed him, but then everybody was stealing Three Six Mafia's sound. So bro, I'm so in tune with this shit. You know what I mean? I was just a fan of just the whole movement. And then A$AP Rocky got mainstreamed after all of Shane's life. I like bad bitches. I'm not f***ing wrong. When he came out with that, bro, I was just like, yeah, this is my idol. Which is crazy because he... And then I met him during A$AP Yams Day and we f***ing stabbed like three security guys.

1:13:16Wait, for real? Yeah. I didn't know there was stabbings going on. That was a crazy moment. It was like the A$AP Yams Day, yeah. Because everybody blamed you as if like 6ix9ine has no respect for A$AP Yams. Yeah, it was my fault. Yeah. Yeah, we stabbed like three security guards. A$AP, so nobody knew who Shottie was at this time. A$AP Bari punches Shottie in the face because he's like, yo, nigga, you trying to get in the thing? Bro, when I say Harv, Belliato, everybody, niggas was cracking. You remember the video? They was cracking two by fours over the A$AP Bari's head. That was the time period where it felt like Like the 6ix9ine lore couldn't possibly get any crazier, like every day or every week that went by.

1:13:58And then that was one of the things that was like, it's not going to stop. Like they're going crazy, bro. I met A$AP Rocky that day. Really? And imagine I'm gummo6ix9ine meeting my idol from six years, 2012, 2011. Yeah. So when I looked at him, I got starstruck. So he's like, yo, what's up? I'm like, yo, what up? And then Lil Yachty's like right here, like Lil Yachty's introducing him. I'm like, nigga, get the out of here. Like, you know what I mean? like, I was just like Starstruck. Hey, but shout out to Lil Yachty. Wait, in that time period, would you say you were being like fully big-headed and like just not really?

1:14:32No, I was like, nigga, you're my idol. I said that to him. I said, nigga, you're my idol. You're the reason I started rapping. No, it ain't gonna fuck. You didn't care? Nah. I think it was a fact, I think he was already f***ing Rihanna at that point. That's crazy though, because I mean, somebody like him, like, he musically, he was already pretty cold at that point, right? Nigga, I'm 6 '9 at this point, but it's like, at that time, I'm like, yo, like, A$AP Rocky was like, like, like, that nigga to me. You know what I mean? Yeah, he's super established by that point. Yeah. But, um, okay, so I guess, like, I want to jump ahead a bunch, because, like, obviously, you've kind of discussed and covered the f*** out of the whole, uh, the Fed case and the going to prison and everything like that.

1:15:15When you're locked up, actually, during that time period, are you like aware at all of what the public conversation is about you because i look at you as somebody who was like so aware of what was being said about him in the media and shit and it must have been kind of weird for you to all of a sudden be locked up and to not have access to the fact that like you're the most talked about person in rap but then meanwhile you can't really see it or was that the last thing on your mind that was last thing on my mind okay i just like yo, how am I gonna get out of this 47-year shit is that if I take my time and then have to, like, survive 15 years in prison, because, look, your mandatory minimum, right, people, like, these are Instagram lawyers that know more than the person in the system.

1:16:04YouTube lawyers, like, I can't, I can't. And it's so much worse now than it was then in terms of everybody just understanding everything. I had a shooting, right, because I ordered the Chief Keef shooting. Yeah. I ordered the robbery for Rapala. I ordered these. I was the shot caller, right? So, and then I had a drug sale that was a kilo of heroin. So, I pleaded guilty to that shit, but you have to plead guilty out of a B1A and all the feds, people who did fed time, not these Kids that are on Instagram all day, you know what I mean? A B1A is the mandatory minimum of 10 years, right? Your guidelines sell you, like, your history, your crime history, right?

1:16:55You do blah, blah, blah, blah, this, that. It's that I pleaded guilty to the 10 years. They give me five for the drugs and 10 years, which is a 924C, a discharge. So it's 10 plus 5, 15 years mandatory minimum. So I said, I have a decision whether I'm like, yo, not to cooperate after the wiretaps, after the heart of kidnapping, after the, you know, I don't know if I can say this, but I said it before. Intel, like the New York City Police Task Force, Chad, like confirming the Shoddy and Sarah shit. I was like, yo, is that I keep being loyal to guys who weren't loyal to me or be stupid and be like, you know what?

1:17:50I got to take this on some gangster shit. Just do the time. Get stabbed in prison like some Tory Lanez shit. You know what I mean? I mean, honestly, like it does seem kind of crazy that everybody was so eager to put the. What's up, brother? Give me one. What's up, brother? All right, brother. Yeah, just whenever you want to come, you could join in. This is Steve. What up, Steve? He's downstairs. He's like, yo, he's watching the game right now. Well, Steve, yo, Steve's on the phone. He has 170 ,000 on the Dodgers. It's game seven right now as we're interviewing. They are losing right now? Yeah, 3-1.

1:18:23Oh, shit. So, yeah, I mean, like, looking back on it, it does seem kind of insane that, like, especially just giving how much the, like, the hip-hop community's, like, mentality on snitching seems like it's kind of evolved, that the whole industry just united to put you in the snitch box. And I'm talking all the way from the underground to the corporate side of things. Yeah, say what's up to Ak. Hello, Ak. Ak, just call me. Yo, shout out to Ak. Yo, Ak, I'm doing a No Jumper podcast right now. Hey, hey, hey, Adam. Hey, Adam. Hey, this is how you hold out your friends. You see me and Six Sides, that's my real man's.

1:19:00You know what I mean? Listen, I'm like his man's or not his man's. I bet. Y 'all having a good interview? Yeah, we're having a good one. We're telling him. I'm telling him he's the reason I got signed to LA. he said he won all the credit yo tell Adam if you don't at least go half of what Vlad did like yo he's out here playing Vlad went crazy, Vlad dropped 80 on that 80? he's hyping himself yeah I'm gonna hit you back yeah I mean the Apple Music's in the spot of the world, everybody was a gangster all of a sudden, myself included I was a super gangster It's not that everybody was a gangster. I feel like everybody was like, how do we control something we can't control?

1:19:48Not only is 6ix9ine polarizing, not only does 6ix9ine has hits, nobody can control his mouth. So whatever is facts and true, like when I exposed Billboard, they're like, yo, we have to get him out of the game somehow. We already didn't like 6ix9ine before. before he snitched or whatever, 6ix9ine was never invited to a role now being the biggest artist in the world. Am I right or wrong? Yeah, I feel like they were in bed with so many artists who were anti-6ix9ine that they basically were like, it's not worth it. So 6ix9ine was already hated before snitching. But so many people were coming around.

1:20:27Like it was controversial. By the time you did a song with Young Thug, nobody cared. It was not that controversial by that point. No, 6ix9ine was so polarizing and so like uncensored. And 6ix9ine is like, he does whatever he wants to do, says whatever he wants, says. Nobody can control his mouth. Nobody can control his content. Not only on top of how polarizing and domination that 6ix9ine is, on top of that, he's funny as. Yeah. So when you get a charismatic, you know, phenomenon, I would say, is like, we need to cancel this guy some way, somehow. You grab all the execs, all the superpowers, what you call the Illuminati in this music industry, the Carl Cherries, the Larry Jacksons, the e-bros that are head of Apple, for people who don't know, head of Spotify, head of Billboard, Nielsen.

1:21:27You know, for people who don't know, Nielsen is the people that accumulate the numbers for Billboard. head of radio, right, to blackball, somebody we can't control. Because T.I. has a whole video on YouTube snitching. Young Thug's video, him being interrogated, is from 2015. Gunna has crime stoppers before. Oh, okay. Automar, let's get it. So all these... All these rappers, their favorite rappers, have snitching allegations, videos, what they call little somethings, and they have all this shit out already. They ignore it. But once it's 6ix9ine, somebody that we can't control, somebody that we don't like, somebody that we need an excuse to cancel, does it?

1:22:25it's like everybody needs to be on the same page, you know? It reminds me of after January 6th, Trump, like, very similar to you, you know, he kind of, like, represents so many things that the establishment in Washington hates. All the Democrats obviously opposed to him, even a lot of the Republicans looking at him as an existential threat. And it was kind of like that with you where all these classicist hip-hop figures, they didn't really want you around anymore so this was the perfect moment everybody lock in and for Trump they deleted all his social media he's not president anymore so we barely heard about Trump for like two three years and then you know he obviously makes his crazy comeback and everything and it does kind of feel like over the last month or so you've kind of experienced something similar where so many people in hip-hop kind of were like you know Maybe we don't agree 100 % with everything he did, but why did we send this kid out of hip-hop?

1:23:28Why did we blacklist him and make him a pariah? Even somebody like Vlad. Vlad didn't want to interview you at the time. I remember you came to L.A. at one point, and you did Impulsive. That was the biggest podcast that you did. But all the hip-hop platforms, I don't think I was offered it. But Vlad, I think it was on the table for Vlad, and Vlad didn't want to do it. That's not true? That's not true. Oh, okay. I mean, am I mistaken? Like, did I get offered Vlad in 2020? No, nobody was down with me. Yeah, yeah. 2020? Yeah. He wouldn't do it in 2020, right? Yeah, I don't think he wanted to do it.

1:24:06Then fast forward 2025, and he's happy to do it in his biggest interview of the year. So, me and my team speaks about this all the time.

1:24:20I don't think that people didn't want to interview me. And you guys clipped this, right? It's not the fact that 6ix9ine didn't want to be interviewed by anybody. It's that nobody wanted to sit down and hear the truth. And they didn't want to use their platform to expose the truth. And then if anybody sat down with me, they're like, yo, this kid is so good at just logic, right? That we're going to look stupid. So might as well just cut off his voice. Say no to the interview. He doesn't get the chance to make us look stupid. Because your final interview was Breakfast Club and you basically spun Charlamagne.

1:25:06No, I didn't spun Charlamagne. You made it so that he could barely make a point. And that every, like you were just controlling the room. He was a guy in the audience. That's not spinning. Which nobody has ever done that. That's not spinning. That's shutting down nonsense. If I say something that makes sense, he'll make it a joke. And that's what a lot of interviewers do. Like, you see how Vlad, in that successful-ass interview that we had, how many times he tries to go to the next question when I make a point? Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, wait. why don't you like when you ask me how many nitrate bloods you know how do I feel about nitrate bloods being released from prison and I said yo Vlad if I show you my phone right now how many of those nitrate members that I told on still hit me up to this day you'll be surprised

1:26:10Any other person would be like Which, oh my god, this is blockbuster Oh my god, which non-train members He didn't care because it was like It doesn't help my cause Making you look bad But you felt like Vlad had that That was his intent? Not really, right? Everyone, everyone Everyone was like, how can we make 6ix9ine look horrible Without giving him the right To really just make us look stupid and have us contradict ourselves. Yeah. Because who's going to be loyal to someone who wasn't loyal to them? How are you going to answer that? Yeah. Right? In retrospect, it seems pretty easy for me to imagine another world in which you were more loved by the industry and they were able to actually look at that situation and have more of a level-headed approach to it.

1:27:00Because, I mean, even the Gunna thing, like, you know, yeah, a lot of the cool Atlanta rappers basically, you know, X him out. But a lot of the fans got over it pretty quick. And a lot of even the industry, like, you know, why are you going to be angry? If you're Ebro, why are you mad at Gunna? Why are you mad at Gunna? No, people are so, no, Ebro wasn't mad at Gunna. But so many people are so picking and choosing in this industry. Because remember when Gunna first did the yes, ma 'am, and he cooperated, right? and the fact that he sealed the deal or told the court, like, yo, YSL is a gang. YSL committed crimes and further into the gang.

1:27:50While these guys are fighting for their life to prove that YSL is not a gang, it's music, whatever, right? Their lawyers, that's their defense. they're not a gang they're a label blah blah he's to go home early that he got tricked whatever and say no they're a gang blah blah I understand this blah blah I'm going home everybody was like everybody just relax wait till young thug comes home and confirms that he read it just stop everybody stop let's Listen to you mean. You mean. Wait till Young Thug. Everybody just chill. Little baby's not saying that. These people not saying that. Just relax. So that when Young Thug comes home and say, Gunna's a rat, everybody's like, but he has good music.

1:28:44He had enough time to solidify himself as still making good music before Thug got out. That worked out pretty well for Gunna. But aren't we talking about snitching? Like now, are we making new rules for snitching? Gooba was a smash hit. Trolls is a great-ass song that was number one in all genres on Billboard. So why do they get a good music pass and I don't? but would you say that also like the public's mind when it comes to the streets has changed a lot since then i think in 20 in 2019 or 2020 whenever you were going through your shit it was a lot more the people still believed in the streets and now it feels like that bubble has burst for a huge majority of the fans they're not impressed by the street shit like they used to be so that's what i'm saying why pick and choose now i think like the honest opinion of the masses has changed a lot too and i think that's why so many of them are kind of willing to give you a second chance in terms of how they feel about you because the difference between gunner and all these people right these people really are falling out with their brothers like people who put them on.

1:30:07Young Thug put Gunna on. Gunna took that plea to like say yo yeah YSL was a gang you know they committed crimes or further into the gang whatever. Like if we're speaking clear as day and just facts are facts and don't ignore it I didn't tell them none of my friends or none of the people who put me on. I put them on. And the positions that I found them they were in critical condition. But people were like damn like we don't just i hate that the message is right we just don't want to listen it from you make sense like you don't even need to use gun in this example look at woody i've been out and about in atlanta with woody yeah he's beloved the people are going nuts for him like little kids running up on him excited to meet him and everywhere we went yeah i feel like Like, you know, that is something that would have been hard to imagine at the time.

1:31:06If you told us, like, hey, there's a snitch in the Young Thug trial a year or two after the 6ix9ine thing, people would have had a hard time fathoming that he would get such a different reaction than you did. But Woody is one of the many people that kind of probably showed people, hey, this street shit is not really what y 'all believe it is. Yeah. But that's what I'm saying. People pick and choose. You know what I mean? and there's no hiding it. You know what I mean? There's no sugarcoating it. There's no hiding it.

1:31:43Everybody wanted to use me as like the poster child, but when it's their favorite rapper, it's no, but, no. Oh, but, no, listen, it's different. Like, and that's what makes me

1:31:58approach the thing how it is. You know what I mean? like Vlad. Vlad was like, you know, I never... Moff, you know, there's a lot of things that I know about Vlad. I just don't like making people feel uncomfortable. Like him not wanting to interview me, said a lot of things, like you. But I never like making people feel uncomfortable because what... I don't like being done to me. I don't do it to people. people don't have that same ethic. Like you said, many bad things. This episode is brought to you by Palmolive. Family time isn't just the big moments. It's weeknight dinners, sitting around the table, everyone talking all at once.

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1:33:20No, I did because... That was like a month ago. No, because five years... Yeah. Like, who cares? Yeah. We're honestly like, anyone who like comes from that era that still is even in the game, we should have a little bit of solidarity because there's so many people that aren't. But I feel like you, like, and I say it with all respect. I say that you wanted to like, keep that like, relationship with like, other people to be like, yo, if I shit on him, I can be cool with other people. Also, like, I had a relationship with you before you blew up, then you blew up and didn't want anything to do with me so from my perspective you getting a fed case and telling and everybody being mad at you and stuff like oh this is great we're gonna make infinite content about that which i do look down on people who make that kind of content especially just because at this point there's so many youtubers that i know who they're they're day and day in day out is they make videos just shitting on people saying that they fell off saying that they're abusers that they're monsters that they're bad people etc and it's like I look back on that era and I feel like it's kind of pathetic to be the kind of content creator where all your content is like let me virtue signal about this person and talk about how they suck so I love that you bring this up because we could address this right so the content that people create saying that yo you know 2020 I just decide 2021 I decide not to make music anymore people like yo he disappeared he did this nah I just decided not to make music no more but this is what after that run that you had when you got out the feds yeah yeah when i got out the feds i just said you know what you probably put out what five six songs yeah so what people and and and this is like the great part so whatever minute this is i'll re-watch it like seven times we're like an hour and a half in an hour half in i'll watch this seven times people don't understand that Billboard, I was so yo, Moff, I was so powerful, I was so polarizing that Billboard itself changed their rules just so I won't win.

1:35:33You remember that? I was the rapper who made Billboard cancel their bundles, cancel their count, they were like, he can't win. This kid will prove to the world that he's the best. And then when I decided to stop making music in 2021, they didn't know, like, is he faking? Is he not? Once they were like, oh, he's really not making music. Two years has passed. Three years may pass. They brought bundles back. You remember that? Like, so now Cardi B released an album, like, what, a month ago, two months ago? And bundles her shit up. It went platinum and literally, like, because she used WAP from four years ago.

1:36:15But that's different than bundling, just using an old song, right? No, it's not the different bundling. Bundling is like you get a t-shirt and then it counts as an album sale because you get a download code, right? I'm going to release an album right now, right? And put Gooba on it. Yeah. I mean, yeah. We would all look at that. Like, what is he trying to pull the wool over our eyes? But you see? You see? You would look at it like that for me, but when I just brought Cardi up, you're like, it's not the same thing. No, I thought it was crazy when Cardi did that too. You know what I mean? I don't understand how that works.

1:36:43Like, if you just go back 10 seconds, for me is like ha we'll be like but if cardi was the one to do it you'll be like but it's not like selling a t-shirt and this everybody everybody everybody will come up with an excuse when it's not 6ix9ine because it's like we hate him we can't let him win but do you feel like it's still that it's changing a little bit but with the cardi b with the cardi b

1:37:14let's not forget that billboard changed their rules just so i won't win that should be a blockbuster headline in itself because it's like

1:37:29like like i'm that like like now that i'm realizing it i'm him like you know what i mean and i try to you know like i'm just a person that very observant very but Dissective on situations Like look at me Like Adam Like I speak facts Like you could right now be like Yo I got all this shit Written out What about this What about that Nigga Like this, that, and that Like Nigga Like I don't hide from my truth At all Nothing IRS IRS came and raided my house Right Why at that time I'm not dropping music Releasing music To make money you know, through a label. I'm just saying, nigga, fuck this shit. Everything.

1:38:14Oh, 6ix9ine's just looking for clout. So why I'm not dropping a song every week? Why I'm not looking? I don't give a fuck. I'm getting like... But so why did you take that long break? Because I just seen how fake the game was. Everything is fake. Clip this. You know how many... Like, who's your favorite rapper right now? Right now? No, first person that comes to mind, Vaughn off 1700. I like him a lot. I don't really know who that is. Think about mainstream, like. Okay, mainstream. You know, I still listen to Thug a lot. I'll put Thug on there. You know how many fake streams, matter of fact, I don't even gotta give an example about fake streams that Young Thug use.

1:38:54Wasn't Young Thug caught on a jail phone call that was leaked, him buying fake streams for Gunna? So if he's buying fake streams for Gunna, an artist signing on him, you don't think he's buying fake streams for himself? Do you know that labels, I know you get paid by labels. Labels say, yo, here's this much money this month. Post my artist once a week, once a month. I need this post right now. So labels control a lot of the fake streams, fake algorithm posts, like, no jumper, post.

1:39:31Damn, I don't want to volley somebody right now, But just say post.

1:39:41Who? He don't know about him. All right. Just say. I don't know. Two Hollis is like an up and coming. All right. So post two Hollis. Give me five posts a month. Yeah. If I'm lying, I'm flying. No, it happens all the time. Yeah. Happens all the time. Right. To the point where it's like. But not only you. I won't even. Rap. The page. R.A.P. Yeah. The page. Rap. Spotlights. The page. Hollywood. On lock. these labels have you guys under payroll where they say, listen, do you guys know that fake likes and fake comments are a thing? So when you have the budget of the label, part of your deal, and they know you're scorching hot, they inflate your likes, they inflate your body comments, they actually comment what they want the fans to say, and buy the likes on that comment so it could be at the very top and then you're like oh look at the most like comment is this guy's the best but it's a fake comment it's a fake likes a fake so you see how i'm saying that the industry looks at me like damn this kid is exposing us right now we have to kill this thing like you know what i mean like this like this thing it needs to get shot like that's how they look at it.

1:40:55There's people who the fans just think are just super hot. And I know for a fact that they might be paying me 10K a month. They might be paying, with all the other pages out there, I don't know, they might be spending 30 or 40K a month just to make an artist look hot. And I'm talking about artists who actually are kind of hot. Like, they are kind of popping. They do have popping songs, but people aren't fascinated by them enough to care about every little in and out of their life and shit. But the labels buy that shit. I even, oh my God, Like, you know, two artists will do a song together, and then one person will start talking shit, like their ops will start shitting on them for something unrelated, and then the other artist's team will buy promo based on what their ops said.

1:41:37I know exactly who you're talking about. It's the Chicago rapper. So it's a new Chicago rapper. I'm so ill with this shit, I know what Chicago rappers you're talking about. It's two upcoming, new coming. Legacy. I'm talking about like an older rapper. All right. Well, I'm talking about rappers now. You know, you're in L.A., all the labels are in L.A. You know, you know. I'm sure there's a million examples, yeah. So anyway, bro, it's just so fake now. That's what made me say, you know what? I'm done with this shit. Everything is fake. Numbers are fake. You know how you test something that's not fake?

1:42:13Go outside with the artist. It's not about fake. It's just about how the people receive you. you can walk into a 50 year old bakery and those people know you the. Like I'm worldwide. Like I just say, you know what? I don't need this shit. This shit's fake. You know? But so from a money perspective, you stopped seeing rapping as being a good use of your time? I just didn't give a fuck about it. I didn't give a fuck. You know what I mean? Like I just said, you know, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna just live a normal life but from my outside perspective you living a normal life kinda seems like you drinking a lot and maybe indulging in the Hispanic women more than you probably should be I don't know where you're putting up your nose when the feds break in and find this plate of coke and meth or whatever which I assume that's for the hoes I would assume No, it wasn't.

1:43:15I was prescribed Adderall. Right, right. And I took, I left my Adderall prescription at home, and I took some off the street, like bought it from the black market. And it was pressed with meth. But also, you got girls, you got strippers coming back to your crib after the strip club in Miami. Yeah, they're probably going to be breaking up some coke on a plate here and there. And maybe you forget to clean up the plate. No, that didn't happen. There's 10 rooms in the house. maybe you don't clean up the plate. Nah, that happened like that. No? Nah. That's what I'm assuming. Hello, ladies. Damn, we got more baddies showing up.

1:43:51What the f***? But yeah, I mean, people at Devil Air are so unbelievably immune. And now, but during your come up, you weren't really buying promo, right? Like, buying promo wasn't really... Bro, can you buy Instagram viewers? Like, I'm that n***a, like... Probably, but... No, I'm talking about like... On live? Yeah. You're talking about when you had like 1.3 or some shit? 2.3. Right. Yeah, that's insane. That was wild. So my thing is just like, that's how you test, like, who's that nigga? You know what I mean? But also that was during COVID, right? So why Kim Kardashian didn't do it? I'm just saying like COVID, like every number.

1:44:25Why did Kishoreno Ronaldo didn't do it? Every number was bolstered up a lot by that shit. But why didn't they do it? So wait, at what point did you start drinking more? When I met Steve. Nah, but you. Nah, I swear. Really? I swear. Damn, that's crazy. I see Steve like going clean like every other week. Nelson. He's done with the six. Dile Steve que venga. I'm going to tell Steve to come up. All right, yeah. That's a good clip. Definitely got to talk to Steve. But so after not drinking for all those years, what made you decide like, you know what, all right, drinking is a good time? Nah, I just, I don't know.

1:45:03I was just, I don't know. I was just like, I don't want to blame it on age. You know what I mean? I was just like, yeah, let me just, I don't know. Live it up. Yeah. Because if you're not drinking, like, you're sober all the time. You're thinking, like, the old version of you was constantly thinking about how you're going to make it to the next level in the rap game. And then at a certain point, you decide, you know what, fuck this shit. I'd rather do a vape deal and get money like that rather than have to engage in all this bullshit that all these artists are doing in order to make themselves seem more relevant or in order to try to like coax more fans into listening to your shit.

1:45:43I feel like, you know, the drinking is probably kind of like you kind of turning off the part of your personality that was just like unendingly ambitious about where you wanted to make it in life. Yeah, basically trying to say I became an alcoholic. It's like you went from like full-time sober hustling. How do I squeeze it in there? You need a, nigga. But you went from like 100 % of your time was spent sober hustling on how you're going to make it as a rapper. And then at a certain point you decide, you know what, I don't give a f***. And then you start kind of drinking and partying a little bit more.

1:46:22Yeah. Trying to just enjoy life. Makes sense. Because remember, I was working so hard trying to make it, and I was like, yo, this is real. Everything is real. Everything is like, like, like. And then when you realize that this whole industry is just fake, you're like, let me get two shots of Henny. You know what I mean? Like, for real. Yeah, because I never listen to like the Apple Music playlist. And then once in a while, I'll just click on it because I don't feel like using the brainpower to think of what artists I want to listen to right now. and I click on that shit and I see the way that they're, that the playlists are just instrumental in making Gunna a thing, making Offset a thing, making Wale a thing.

1:47:04Like all these artists that I don't know anyone who listens to them. They get placed there. But they get placed on that. And imagine how much that helps with the streams. Yeah, because once you're in a playlist, you don't have to click on their name or click on their song. You're a listener. You're automatically a monthly listener. you're automatically simulated play. Simulation. Why do you think you never worked with Pump during the moment where you guys were both... I don't know. I think me and Pump had the same image and we're like, he had Gucci gang, I had Gummo, and I'm just like... Like, yeah, we're both like the same image.

1:47:43Like, when I used to go places, right? People would call you that? I think people would call me Lil Pump and people would call him 6ix9ine. For sure, yeah. So I'm like, yo, I'm Lil Pump. So the way I met my DJ Nano, right, is my DJ, his baby mom was like, yo, oh my God, you DJing for Lil Pump. So that was like some crazy ass, like, like, and that shit hurt my feelings. It is weird, though, because I feel like you and him are kind of in a similar... He's my boy. I speak to him. Oh, you do talk to him? Yeah, I talk to him. Oh, that's hard. Like, not every day. I'm bugging. Yeah. I spoke to him three days ago.

1:48:18Yeah. I was gonna try to link on him tomorrow but he's in Columbia he's yo bro he texted me like I'm in Columbia wow yeah yeah and he was wow because last time I talked to him he told me he was sober and then I call him in Columbia and I'm like oh this is you are not sober right now yeah you're having a little bit of fun but yeah I mean like is there anybody else from that era like that stands out that you would have liked to work with or you think that you could have made dope music with the juice world thing stands out because you guys have one of the funniest beefs ever Yeah, I don't know. He just kept going on stage.

1:48:51I don't know if it was a sign from Lil Baby or Gay Herbo. He was like, yo, 69, 69. I'm like, alright. Your bitch can't. But it was funny because then we joked about it and spoke about it and we became cool. That was a wild one, though, because that made me feel like, you know, because I'm looking at Juice WRLD. I'm like, damn, this music is like really, really popular right now. Like maybe Juice WRLD is the one guy that 6ix9ine shouldn't beef with. And then you made fun of him for being the like lonely, heartbroken guy. And you kind of like leaned into that like, oh, I still see the shadows in my room.

1:49:30And you're taking like his lyrics that are like very heartfelt to a lot of people and just making fun of him for it. and I was like, he kind of uncovered how to go at Juice WRLD right there. Yeah, so, I mean, it was pretty cool. Shout out to Juice WRLD. Legend. Yeah, it was f***ing up the way he passed. But, yeah, no, if I had to come up with anybody in that era to make music, I made music with Lil Baby at, like, that moment where he had, like, his f*** dripped, what was it, drip harder? Drip too hard? No, drip too hard. It was, like, leaked. It was like other shit there, but fire music. You know, I worked with Gunna.

1:50:13Who would I want to work with? The X thing seems... I don't know how you guys would have meshed, but it would have been pretty epic. Yeah, X would have been fire. That's a pick I would have picked. Because you used to always be talking on FaceTime and shit, but never got to the music. I never got to the music. But I, all the way with Trippie, like he did the remix, but I wasn't on that shit. Right, right. What was, um, who would I say?

1:50:38You know who don't get a lot of credit that's good as and I'm gonna name three of them? Little Tracy. That's a good one. Mar 90s. Oh, yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah, no, Mar 90s. How you gonna finesse, finesse, pull up in a Bentley, could you pull up in a... You remember that shit? A little bit, yeah. Lil' Tracy, the hygiene, the, um, so Tracy, more 90s, and Uno are activists. Uno. I still see Uno here and there. In that time frame. In that time frame, yeah. I mean, uh. I mean, I haven't heard none of this shit. They dropped now. Yo, Lil' Tracy, like, all the best Lil' Peep songs are with Lil' Tracy. Wasn't he with, like, Lil' Miss Nicki Minaj?

1:51:24He called himself Tracy Minaj. Tracy Minaj. Yeah. He's still higher doing the same. What? That's her shit, though. That does sound funny.

1:51:34Nah, but yo, Tracy was too f***ing on coke, so they had the industry playing Lil Nas X. They had to find a real gay guy. Oh, you just want to act a little fruity? We're going to bring a real f***ing in here. Yeah. Yeah. How do you feel about f***ing? I've worked with him. But we got to call it Spade a Spade. But, you know, Lil Tracy had the Old Town Road before that. He had a song called Like a Farmer that was like a country song about him being a farmer. It was like exactly the same as Old Town Road. And then they just, the labels tried to sign him, but they couldn't because he was already signing a really bad contract with this guy, Big E.

1:52:08And then they, industry playing a Lil Nas X and took his place. I didn't know that. It's crazy. What's your thought on like the underground or the overall state of like, you know, SoundCloud rap, quote unquote, how you feel about where that shit is at now? The guys that never fell off and the guys who run shit. Suicide boys. remember Fat Nick and Puyall shout out to them they like didn't keep their momentum Suicide Boys 2025 always from 2014 are still Suicide Boys but remember they have the 3-6 Mafia sound too they got sued by 3-6 Mafia a bunch of times oh for real? after like working with them on production and everything and then 3-6 Mafia still sued them shout out to Suicide Boys but that's definitely 3-6 Mafia sound can you listen to that?

1:52:59You interested in listening to Suicide Boys at all? Yeah, yeah. No, I didn't. Like, when I had that f***ing... Remember, what was this other guy? Ethel Wolf? What was his name? Xavier Wolf. Ethel Wolf. Yeah. Because that's the first rapper I ever interviewed. Bro, fire. But all them guys stole f***ing 3-6 Mafia Sound. He's actually from... Oh, shout out to Denzel Curry. You know what I mean? You ever see him? I've never seen him in person, but big fan of Denzel Curry. Zealous Kami's idol was f***ing Denzel Curry. Really? Yeah. So does that make you happy when you see him getting the case, or allegations at least, that are like...

1:53:33Nah, because P is my... And I know that, you know, like I said, it's a topic that, you know, is not really too... You know, I don't like anybody's downfall, you know what I mean? But if I could make fun of him, I would, but the respect I have for P, I wouldn't. I'm not. So everything you've been through has kind of forced you to grow to the point where you can't necessarily just embrace that shit like the way that you might have previously? Yeah. I feel that. I mean, I'm not saying I'm an old head now, like an OG, like I ain't touching that. But I want to respect Righteous Pete. You know what I mean?

1:54:17But once you've been through the craziest shit, it makes it a little hard to take pleasure in other people going through it. I've laughed the hardest when Zella commented to that underage girl. she has the best tits in the game that was hilarious i must not have watched that video damn really that's a yeah it's not a video it's a dm no i know but like i'm sure that who's that's i know he watched the video because he was like i didn't watch that video you watch that i get recommended all those youtube channels that are telling the sad story of this soundcloud Ask Steve to go up. Is he going up?

1:54:54Yeah, ask Steve to come up. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. So, okay, this is like one argument that me and Wack always get into, is that Wack always says that after you got out of the feds and put out the Nicky record and all that shit, that you actually got bigger than you were before that. And I always say that's bullshit, and that actually around the height before you got locked up, you were bigger than that period. What would you say? thank you I don't know. I mean, the numbers add up the same to me. Gooba is no feature. It's at 800 million, right? Am I bugging, Don? 800 million? 900 million.

1:55:39And, you know, I have Fifi and Bebe that's at 1.4 billion and 1.2 billion. So, you know, I went number one. I never had a number one before jail. I had a number one post jail, like after telling, snitching, whatever. And I dominated in both markets. Like my post prison, I dominated more in Latin and English at the same time. So that Latin opportunity is just right there for you at all times, but you don't spend that much time out there touring and doing all the things that you probably could do. Would you say that your heart is not really in that kind of music, the same way it's in rap? Exactly.

1:56:22Because with the Spanish, I'm Latin, so I want to dominate in both. But there's people that's born into this shit that literally grew up and rapping in Spanish, like singing in Spanish. I just use it as a hobby, you know what I mean? Which I respect the thing, but it's just like, you know, I'm born and raised in New York. The only reason I speak Spanish is because my mom doesn't know English. If you were purely just about benefiting yourself, you probably would leave rap alone and just do the Latin shit and just try to be as big as possible in that shit? Nah. But it keeps drawing you back to the rap side of things?

1:57:03Nah, nah, nah. No? Nah, I just do it for fun. Okay. I feel like there's got to be an infinite supply of chicks that you want to pipe in these foreign lands as well. Nigga, I'll pipe anything. But I know your type. What's your type? What's your type? Probably not that different than you. Latin with a BBL and looking like they work at Starlitz.

1:57:32Nick said, I like this guy. No, I know your type, and I always thought that was funny, because I wasn't in on the information with you, because we weren't cool at the time. But when people would tell me, like, yo, 6ix9ine, every strip club in Brooklyn and Queens f*** every bad stripper. Yeah, but my thing is like, it's not... Sorry, I don't want to suck your game for whoever this is. It's not that, it's not that, it's not that... No, it's not that we're not, it's not that we're we weren't like cool. It's just nigga, you will bath mouth me like every chance you get. But I feel like during like the gummo era, during this era, I was actually just showing you love and just because I f***ed with the music so much and actually you know you read like a million comments and every once in a while there's a comment that just sticks with you and you remember it me and lush were on the podcast talking about how much we were listening to you in 2018 and how that was just the sound of the streets at that time and it's people commenting saying like yo like that's how i know you a bitch just because you acting like 69 was the hottest shit out at that time and i'm like i mean maybe you weren't outside maybe you were in some different state where they weren't playing that shit but But during that era, I was unapologetically listening to your shit, even though I knew you didn't like me.

1:58:49Now, I started hating once you got the Fed case. No, I know. Then we're going to jump on this. Okay. No, I know. I was just like, yo, like, like, like, damn. Like, you don't ever see that the people you interview make no sense. Like, like, like, you didn't see, like, the Billy Otto shit. You don't see that he's mentally unstable. Like, you know what I mean? Like, like, yo, bro, like, no, he's like mentally unstable. Like, like, you see, you could have a conversation with me and be like, all right, I know this kid is stinking. You know what I mean? And he's not just, he'll say some stupid shit, but it makes sense.

1:59:32Billy Otto, you would interview him and it's like, all right, did you finish school? Like, you know what I mean? Like, you don't know what to ask him. But think about somebody like Billy at the state he's in. Like, he literally has the same chain niggas gave him, like, like, eight years ago. Many such cases. But all I'm saying is that, like, there's a lot of, like, somebody like Billy, like, he's lucky enough to have been involved with something that's so big that somebody like me is still down to have a conversation with him. So he knows he's got to talk about this shit. Because otherwise, what, he's just kind of a regular guy from Brooklyn.

2:00:06It doesn't, it doesn't like ring bells to you that he never got arrested in our case? I just assumed he wasn't shooting shit up.

2:00:19He was the one holding the gun in the gumbo video. Wow, okay. What, you think he's done? No, I'm just saying it's just not like, like, like i don't know if it rings a bell to you like i don't know like you know i mean no i didn't think about it that deep but shut up shut up billy auto yo but okay this is like strategy wise like we we had so many conversations about like what you should do or should have done after you got out the feds right and like it felt like from my perspective i i was almost certain that you were going to do some different shit i thought maybe you would do some rock shit the latin shit you did do right but in my mind you almost kind of like went backwards a little bit because i feel like at that point people didn't really want to see you doing gangster shit but now you're doing like increasingly gangster shit now you're in chicago and you're trashing king vaughn after he dies and and doing the slide for vaughn thing well before he died okay Yeah, yeah.

2:01:25Well, no, why would you slide for him before he was dead? No, slide for Vaughn came after he died, but when I went to Chicago... The original O 'Block moment. He was still alive. Yes. If I'm not mistaken, yeah, yeah, hell yeah, he was still alive. But then you go to the feds, he gets killed while you're locked up, and then you get out. I was skinny when I posted the picture with me laying on the floor with the all white on. Yeah, well, okay. When I was fat, I went to O 'Block and laid flowers down because after he said something. Right, I mean... I think I laid them shits down for Nooski. It was Nooski, right?

2:01:59So how did you get to know C. Gotti, who's the one that brought you to O 'Block, right? Yeah, that was Rondo No. 9's girlfriend. Right. But I didn't know her. She brought you there? I knew Cuban, though. Cuban, though, was friends with C. Gotti. And she's the one who kind of told you what to do in terms of going there? I mean, going there is not really... No, she didn't say nothing. You go there four in the morning. Yeah, we just go there. It's whatever, right? but yeah she wasn't she was just a uh uh ron number nine's girlfriend and um you know i was like i said i was a big fan of run number nine yeah but yeah how was that uh cuban doll i ain't gonna lie it was it was good i believe you but remember when she walked out on me no oh there she did walk out on you why because i was trying to ask her about tato whooping her ass and her with you and all this type of shit.

2:02:49I'm trying to kind of ask about it and she starts kind of like giving me like no answer and shit. The guy with the Chris Breezy? So I start to be like, because he had already made that song, which I heard you say that song was hot, which that song was hot. It never went anywhere. It was kind of weird. Who do you feel like is the biggest domestic violence guy? No, wait, wait, wait. Let me get this up. Top 10 woman abusers? Yeah. No, but listen. Listen, listen. You know what I mean? Put yourself in there. It's out of me, right? Tato. Chris Brown. Wait, hold on, hold on. Exactly. That's what I'm saying.

2:03:23Top three. Chris Brown. Oh, wow. Tato. J Prince Jr. Is he on there? And Senior. I don't know about their activities. Wait, wait, wait. Let me finish. Blue Face. Ooh. Diddy. Diddy. We're going to ask Steve this, too. We're going to ask Steve this. All right, go. Give me a top three. I don't want you to hear this. Go. Say it. Top three. Domestic violence. Me, Diddy, Chris Brown, Tato, or J. Prince Jr. All right, wait, Steve. Steve, you're going to get mic'd up. Go. Fabulous nonsense. Girl's teeth out. Oh, yeah. Fabulous. He's got to be up there, too. Yeah.

2:04:14Yo, yeah. What's her name? She was a designer. Men's and women's mixed UFC division. She was a designer. Emily B. He did knock her teeth out. All right, Blueface. All right, go. Go. I mean. All right, Steve, sit here. Blueface living that life day to day, yeah. I don't know, though. I mean, shit. I just don't know. I don't pay attention to that much of that shit. Well, his domestic violence is pretty impressive because he goes with the knees. Wait, you were hitting Sarah with knees? Yep. Damn. From my knowledge. From what I understand. Muay Thai. All right. He had her in the clinch? Damn. We're talking about this way too lighthearted.

2:04:53They're going to be honest. Wait, you give me a top three. I think he's in top three. A knee to a woman. I mean, Sarah's a star. Most of these girls are anonymous. Sarah's out there. I'm not anonymous. Chris Brennan, as much as he is cleaning up his act, that's the most iconic. Who says top three? You. Okay. And Chris Brown. And one more. I don't know the third. All right. There's Blueface. There's Fabulous. There's J Prince Jr. There's Tato. Blueface hit Christine? Yeah, Christine. Oh, that's number three. She so had it coming. Like 100%. Yeah, this is the best question anybody has ever asked ChatGPT.

2:05:34Who are the top three rappers of all time in terms of domestic violence? Wow. shot tbd number one dr dre damn oh beats by dre number two beats by dre like two is x oh wait it's really i forgot about i mean that was a high profile one i can't believe they didn't put christian brown number number two is x before his death he faced serious domestic violence charges in 2016 you know yeah and he was never went to trial yo he could have done 30 years Yeah, I know. That shit was bad. All right, let's skip that one. Number three, Fabulous. Yeah, he knocked his bitch teeth out. Nigga, Chris Brown, he beat that bitch to get up and splat him around her.

2:06:15Oh, yeah, I mean, Tory Lanez, shit. I mean, that was a big deal. I wouldn't think of it as, like, domestic violence, but he took it to another level. He shot her in the foot, yeah. What do you think about that, Steve? Same thing. She did something. Think about the YouTube title on this. It's like 6ix9ine ranks the top three domestic abusers of all time. Yo, they're going to love this. Slap a hole. You don't just break a girl's teeth for her. She did something. It's nothing to happen. Okay, so you got him a gambling streaming. No, not even gambling, just a streaming deal. Yeah. Yes. And your narrative that you put out previously was basically that you got him this very generous deal they gave him a couple million up front or whatever he was supposed to get a streaming house to do content out of and then he just said this i'm not doing it because i don't feel like it like the ultimate spoiled rapper right yeah and you were hurt i was hurt is this all still accurate why did you do that so started a deal.

2:07:31Everything seemed good, right? Steve is like top of the world. We're streaming together. I spoke to Vlad, but the way I worded it was... Can I just say, I think he broke up with this chick. At that time? Yeah. To the first... No, I don't... This was fresh off of Jade. No, no, no. I don't want to... No, wait. It's fresh off of Jade. It was fresh off of Jade. Okay, so as soon as we got the$2 billion water... Because this is the first time we ever spoke about this. That's what he... That's what he spent for DeGrad on Birkin bags for random black hoes. You are a global white supremacist. They weren't all black.

2:08:06They weren't all black. But was that just a pure... No, but listen. That seems insane. No, that was real. A lot of times I think you're like a mastermind. And when I see that, I'm like, maybe he's just crazy. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Hold on. Because people are going to adjust it, right? Okay. That's crazy. That's not... So me and Steve, right? We blah, blah this early. I would say October, January, whatever, of 2023.

2:08:33No, 2022. End of 2022 and 2023. At this time, Steve's YouTube gets deleted, right? Yes. He starts a rumble deal with Rumble, right? With Chris and everybody.

2:08:54Steve's YouTube gets deleted. I contact Sam Cohen at my label. You know Sam. Carl from Create. I'm like, yo, let's try to get him his YouTube back. You know, I believe the head guy at YouTube was Timu. What was his name? Anyway, let's start short. I contact that guy to get his YouTube back. We try the streaming shit, right? I tell Steve, you know, we went to Brazil. right for uh the favelas dude this is all over the place no no no i'm i'm explaining for two million no no i'm i'm explaining vanilla no wait no no but hold on i'm explaining how it went no i'm no i couldn't handle it that's it but i don't want to i don't want to i don't want to talk about other things that happen in in the thing because i don't know how you are with john and everything right so we went to brazil right that video never came out right um and i was still with rachel at the time right you never released it on thing then a whole thing happened in fort myers where steve gave away 25 uh trailers right so the people that got hit with the hurricane they said i didn't pass the background check right a whole bunch of shit anyway long story short me and steve he says he blames on a breakup i don't blame it on a breakup i just feel like Like, me and him weren't, you know, releasing content the way it was supposed, so we did an Andrew Tate, Dubai thing.

2:10:24Yeah, so drunk. Yeah. That up. So we got a big time. Anyway, look so short, we weren't, I fucked up, you know, I fucked up the deal. I fucked up, you know, you know, what Steve brought to the table. As you see now, everybody was like, you have 6ix9ine, what a fuck. I'm ended that streaming deal. It would've been a big stream in the world because I read this in training. I was paid to do video games. You just weren't feeling it? I wasn't feeling it. I didn't feel like it was, you know, I don't feel like it was the right time. I don't blame the breakup. I take full responsibility. Dude, this is such a whore.

2:11:13Jesus Christ, that's not. that's not and you can't say that about her holy shit it's a random what the fuck gotcha dude made you laugh there that's crazy maybe you should be banned for other reasons so explaining my point you get the point I feel it yo Steve do you want to discuss about the YouTube comeback? Yeah, that's crazy. I can't believe that you're finally back because I've seen you being depressed and not knowing what to do with yourself for the last few years and it's funny because it's like I 100 % believe that I would be in the exact same position if that shit was taken from me. It's like you could try to stream, you could try to make content for other platforms but ultimately your YouTube is like your identity, you know?

2:12:06No, I mean especially for me. It was for sure tough. You were all in. You were doing a vlog a week, going hard as f***. All in, yeah, spending all the money I've ever made on the videos. So it's nice just to be back and have this opportunity to, you know, I don't get my old channel back, but I get a new channel, and I'm grateful for this opportunity. And it just puts me in a position to where it's like I, there's no option to fail. It's like I have to, I have to be the biggest YouTuber ever. You couldn't even be in Milk Boy videos, right? Didn't they tell them that you couldn't be a consistent presence in their videos?

2:12:43Well, the consistent presence is with all the channels. That was kind of the thing, the word consistent. I can go on your podcast one time. But if we're doing a show together, that's not good. Yeah, or if I was on regular. Oh, that's crazy. But it was cool that they messaged me and said, hey, can we have a meeting? And you know, I obviously knew that something good was gonna come out of it. And it was worst case scenario in a way to where I have to make a new channel. But at the same time, it's like my last YouTube channel, I got a million subscribers in 30 days and I've never had a video in my life from beginning to end under a million views.

2:13:25So it's like, if I can just repeat what I did last time when I was like, which I think I can, right? It wouldn't happen if it wasn't with Trump. Trump? they're changing all the everyone's kind of going I just feel like a lot of that is like pressure from Trump and his campaign to basically be like yo if you are seen as censoring conservative voices then we are coming for you so I feel like that's why Sneak goes back that's why I don't think they would have introduced this whole program of like letting old channels back in if it wasn't for the fact that they're scared of Trump so I wasn't personally a Trump supporter, but you got to give it to them.

2:14:05Oh, no, for sure. I'm just thankful to be back, and you probably can relate. Just having a passion and purpose, you know? I could only know you so well, but I can imagine if you lost no jumper, you kind of... What am I doing? I'll be lost at sea. You got a porn. I'd have to be a full-time porn star. You'd be a full-time porn star? So many drugs, I'll probably have a heart attack. Imagine you lose both. Imagine Imagine I lose my d***. You'll be on the domestic violence case. For sure. Once you can't f***, all there is left is to beat. Just beat Lana, dude. Do you ever think about what you would do if you lost your d***?

2:14:46He'd figure it out. It would change everything, though. He would do it. Like, what are you rapping for once you don't have a d***? No, he would shove his foot inside. In bitches. Like, literally. Like, this guy is, he's sick. You think he's got a problem? Who? For sure. In terms of just sex addiction? Not sex. He's got a problem, though. Yeah. You just, you love it too much? Do you blow up, like, good relationships with good girls because you can't stop f***ing? Nah. I usually abandon them pretty quick. Oh. So there's not even, like, long relationships to preserve? It just... Yeah. I feel like Steve, every time he sees me with a new chick, he doesn't like he's just like it's the same one okay well they all look the same to me i'll be honest yeah i mean they're not asian they're just black it's black yeah i mean he was in a relationship since high school until very recently yeah but she's not black no right as far as i know are you are you healed yeah yeah yeah okay oh yeah i feel uh really good did it take a little while though I mean oh yeah yeah yeah since high school I mean shit took like three three four months yeah now we're good so you don't care about what she does now I mean I uh no I don't care I I just hope that it's one of those things where like I became Steve will do it like right out of high school whatever so it's like so she kind of was just like tagging along with me for the ride so it's like this is her first time in her life where she can figure out like okay who do i want to be who am i like i'm not just tagging along with some dude you know and uh i love her that much and i and i and i respect and love this i just i just wish her the best and i'm looking at it in a positive way great guy right there that's a good speech yeah yeah i'll be like no that's that's how me that That's the, like, that's the nigga in me.

2:16:52Yeah. I like what Charleston White said. He says, you... Yeah, you went nigga. You got to stop being the N-word. Just stick to Mexican. Just, you know? Nacho Libre. Yo, that shit we were talking about before? Why is it so cool to say the N-word that even white people, Asian people, Spanish people say it? You guys should just say it. Nobody says... Nobody thinks it's cool to call your homie a... But you said it. You see how you said it? Even that, I want to edit it out. It sounds crazy. No, no, no. You said it. Nobody's like, hey, my ****. You better just say n***a. But then, that sounds cool. But that's what I'm saying.

2:17:29Dude, that sounds cool. Black culture is cool to everybody. And somehow, Hispanic culture, it just don't work. Yeah, but listen. Wait, wait. Wait, say it. I say it. I own it. Seriously. We just some chill. No, you think about it, though, like, realistically. Literally. You can't just... It's hard to avoid. Black people make shit cool. No, super cool. Hey, yo! For me, I just love the blacks, right? Yeah. And then for someone like me who's giving away multiple million dollars... To blacks? To the blacks. Yeah. You got it. What, you want to say it's ten of niggas? I feel like I purchased the end of the pass.

2:18:07Look, you have the permission. You got a pass. Oh, dude. Dude. I swear... Yeah. Prolific N-word-sayer is giving you the pass. Yeah, I'm giving you the pass. I'd give you the pass He gives you a half pass I'm giving you a full pass As a white man I am happy to hear you Not saying it right now Because I feel like It would be a whole thing No I don't I don't gotta say it but Yeah I'll say it It's like come at me bro Yo Have you ever F***ed a black shape? No What do you think is better? Like what race? I think they're all magical like if you had that like not dv one who would it be that's insane that's the craziest way you could ever word that but i don't know i do i do feel like sometimes uh black women are great to have sex with because i feel like they're kind of naturally a little bit more athletic you like that anti-racial shit no i'm just saying i think that they uh they're black the more athletic the the more likely you are to have like strong muscular definition i feel like that could help you sexually no for sure yeah they're just they're gifted i mean they're black yo wait i mean what is that funny track and field yeah it's all i mean the nfl dude yeah why would they not be better at sex i just went to the nba game they're all black but me too i just went to a lakers game a lot of white representation i was kind of surprised oh Yeah, the Lakers, yeah.

2:19:38How do you feel about the NBA? Never really watched it, but... Yo, that... Speaking of black chicks, that... In person, Angel Reese... They're horrible. She's pretty hot, dude. Yeah, I'll hit. You'll hit Angel Reese? Yeah. Would you hit it? Would you hit it as sex, or would you... Both. Yeah. I mean, she's like the only non-lesbian in the whole league, damn near, right? Or at least that I know of. And she's kind of sexy. She has a podcast. That's hot. Like a thinker. Does she have a pocket? Yeah, she's like open-minded. One of those like feminist open-minded girls. I messaged her. I was offering to buy her whatever item she wanted in life.

2:20:22They usually go for like Birkins. That would have been easy. Not easy, but I was trying to buy her something way more expensive, Birkin. And yeah, just left me on the rim. Do you still like want that you feel like you kind of have to pay for you have to like buy them shit or Are you at the point where it's like if you have to do all that you don't really want it? I don't think I don't think buying is the way to like I never bought pussy. Yeah I gifted like like something to them and they're like oh my god this guy's the coolest guy in the world Or if it's your longtime girl sure but no I get a kick out of buying I'm doing some chicks things.

2:21:03Yeah? New ones, huh? I get a little, it's a little fun. It's like, it's like role playing, huh? So right now I'm talking to this chick, oh, dude, amazing. I don't even wanna talk too much about it, but you know, right now, tomorrow, or not, yeah, tomorrow I'm gonna buy her two watches, I'm gonna buy her a ring for every finger, I'm gonna buy her three necklaces, and a fucking bracelet. You really think that's helping your cause though? I feel like that's, A, you're setting the stage where like now you're gonna have to keep buying her shit. No. Rich, yeah, rich. Rich and... Yeah, when a rich nigga want you...

2:21:41No, yeah, and your nigga can't do nothing. These hoes ain't loyal.

2:21:51Hey, so one of your things that you were saying about him was you kept saying that he was broke. And then that kind of created this narrative. because a lot of people were kind of confused, like how does 6ix9ine have money at this point? Where's the money coming from? You told us he was broke. Have you been broke since you've been out of prison? And at this point, where does most of your money come from? No, I think, you know, I spoke about it on the Vlad thing. Like I never said nothing bad about Steve because, you know, he's been a great person. You know what I mean? Throughout our whole friendship, I never felt bad.

2:22:24I never felt bad about him taking my daughter to Disney World and all this stuff. I think with the whole IRS situation, and I think I spoke to your mom about it, like, I had poor money management about, like, whether, I don't know if it's cooking books or whatever. Nah, it'll you up. Yeah. So, you know, me post-prison, coming out, buying, like, two Lamborghinis, two McLarens. I think one of those McLarens I gifted Steve. Yeah. Two Rolls Royces. I remember that guy. I think you gifted me a Ferrari, two Hellcats, two things. I thought that my accountant would write them all off. Because they were in the Tutu music video, the Punani music video.

2:23:15My knowledge was that from somebody delivering food in 2017, having all the money in the world three years later, I didn't know that, you know, these stuff you don't write off. Like, I mean, it could be a counting thing. Did you write your jet off? The jet? Oh, yeah, that. So they didn't write any of my purchases off. And then when the IRS came in 2023, they were like, yo, you can't write those things off. Those are like... They're not business expenses. Yeah, but they are, though. because I'm like, yeah, I'm using them for what, like an image. I never wrote any of the clothes I had off, but purchases like SVJs, Bentleys.

2:24:05I bought all of these things cash, no lease. I was like, why didn't you write them off? The IRS said that you can't write any of this off. My house right now, there's no mortgage, all cash. They say you can't write that off either. there's something called like first time what is it first time buyers yeah special rate and shit yeah exactly they're like no that doesn't count wow so um as i go back and think about it like now that i'm like in a that term of like negotiation with the irs they're having like no leniency with me yeah they're like nothing of this is written off the only thing you can write off is like the jet to like Los Angeles to shoot with Nicki Minaj.

2:24:56So in 2020, they ordered me to pay$6 million, which is like, if I made$9 million that year, why have I keep$3 million and pay$6 million? So, yeah, so 2018 I paid$2.1 million, and 2019, while I'm in prison, I paid$1.3 million. As of today, November 1st, 2025, I've done paid six, six, say$6.5 million to the IRS, and they still want 1.92 million dollars, which is like accumulated interest and what is it called? Like fees of like... And I'm just like, that's unreasonable. Where's this money going? You know what I mean? Like I paid$6 million to the IRS. You know what I mean? Why do you guys want$2 million more in fees?

2:26:03Like, you know? But you're super comfortable financially right now? I'm financially comfortable where my family is good. I don't have to, like, struggle. I'm not on something like, what's this guy's name? The guy, the Chris Brown writer? Oh, Kevin. Kevin McCall. I was just going to do him. I'm on EBT, you know what I mean? But like I said, me and my family are financially comfortable where we can negotiate like with the IRS. You know what I mean? But like, okay, say your accountant told you like 6ix9ine, you need to make$5 million. You need to make, you have a bunch of bills that you don't have to pay.

2:26:50What are you going to do to make$5 million as fast as possible? No, no. I feel like there's a ton of ways you can make money. It doesn't work that way. Okay. I'm just asking like, what's the best way for you to make money right now? No, I'm just kidding. Not music, right? No, it's music. But it's not like me rushing into a deal where I'm just like, yo, I'm going to go sign this deal because or I'm going to go sell my catalog or I'm going to go do this. I'm going to do that. I'm financially stable where I'm chilling. Because at one point I heard Act just saying that you made a million dollars from just licensing your image to a vape company.

2:27:23And I was, oh, yeah, but I guess I maybe wouldn't care about music that much. So I got those kind of deals. So Steve, if Steve could attest to this, I did that. I brought Steve to the to these people. Right. remember Steve? The Fume people? And then they f***ed me too. Really? Yeah. Oh, shit. So they sued me because I brought someone, I brought Steve and someone else. I can't talk about someone else, but I had a deal with Steve's boy, which is my boy too, Neil, right? HQD. We're killing the game, then Fume comes into the game and was like, yo, let your deal go. And, um, because my vape was like number one vape in the world.

2:28:02So like I said, all these deals is like,

2:28:07I'm not rushing into nothing because it's not like I'm in need. Like, oh my God, I need to do that. It's just to the point where I have to fix what happened in the years that I didn't. What is it called? Pay your taxes? Yeah, pay my taxes to then be like, yo, take this off, take that off, take this off. I shouldn't be paying$70 ,000 a month for fees when we're still trying to figure out what's the final payment. You know what I mean? So that's where we're at right now as of November 1st, 2025. Hopefully in the next 30 days from this realm, we come up with that number. So how certain are you that you're going to prison?

2:28:58Oh, because of assault? Is it up in the air right now? or is it like this is happening? I'm scared because I don't, I can't control it, right? Because at the end of the day, like when that shit happened in the mall, the guy threatened me with a gun. How do you beat up a guy who shows you he has a gun? Because I'm just like, yo, I live with that trauma. Like, yo, if I let him walk away, he probably is going to get more people

2:29:27to, you know, fulfill his attack or fulfill his plan, right? So we beat him up in self-defense, but the court doesn't look at it like that. I'm not armed, he's armed.

2:29:48Then they raided my house March 12th, so I'm fighting two violations. I'm fighting the drugs that was found in my house and the assault. the drug that was found in my house a ci you know somebody close to me around me said there was drugs guns and cash in the house so they brought three different canines you don't know who no what it's crazy right it happens every time the fact that you don't know yeah so so um yeah so that's that's um

2:30:24that's uh that's what happened um um with the case going on i so i was supposed to get sentenced remember i told you we were supposed to do the interview november 1st which is today yeah i was getting sentenced to november 4th they pushed it back to november 20th damn so how do you feel about that like just the the idea of having to go stare at the wall for a few years i mean i can't i I can't fight it. I mean, you know what I mean? I can't control it, so I won't, I'm not gonna break my head over it. Yeah, you can't control it, but how hard were those years of you being locked up? Cause you honestly came out and didn't really feel like you missed too much of a beat.

2:31:06You came right back and we're right back to the content and shit. But I mean, I'm sure it was pretty tough. You hadn't really been through anything like that before. um like how did i feel yeah just being locked up for that time period i feel like so much shit was going on before and after that i don't know like where your mental no i was i was hyped to get back to it because i'm the type of person that i like to be told what i can't do so i when i do it it feels like 10 times better definitely yeah so like this most recent like run that you've been where you basically like didn't do any media for a long ass time and then came right back and said, you know what, all right, I'm going to flood the pipes.

2:31:47Is that like intentional? Like, oh, I'm going to make them miss me and then I'm going to flood it and then I'm maybe going to prison after that so they're going to have to miss me again for a period of time. No, I just wanted to flood the pipes, meaning like, yeah, if I did go to jail, you know, I have enough content out there to be like, yo, like we miss just the genuine you know of 6ix9ine, him being genuine him having no filter and then

2:32:22all the Young Thug shit just exposing contradiction like this industry is you know Timing wise those seem like a good time to come back to Exactly Definitely Where are you at with Kodak? we talked about this subject so much. No, we just literally spoke like four days ago. We spoke four days ago on FaceTime. I could show you. Let me show you the video. Sure. I mean, because he had an event by my house and we're like, yo, he was like, I guess that he was going to come over after the event. I'm like, yo, bro, it's already like 12 a.m. I mean, that kind of poked holes in the whole anti-6ix9ine thing too because he did a song with you And yes, it was very controversial and very talked about, but ultimately, like, I don't think anybody thinks that that hurt Kodak, right?

2:33:13Nah, because people, you know, I mean, people are just scared, you know what I mean? Yeah. People are just scared. Remember, Youngboy got offered the same thing. I guess people didn't want to be the first ones to, you know? But the version I heard was that Youngboy wanted you to do a song that wasn't on some gangster shit and you weren't really feeling that. Is that true? Yeah, I believe so. It was more on some positive shit. Some Dirk and J. Cole shit? I went with that. You could go to the local elementary school and get the kids to record a hook.

2:33:52I'm trying to show you. Oh, yeah. Right here.

2:34:00You want to take a shot, Steve? This is just you and Kodak hanging out? No, no, no. That was an event he was doing by my house. Oh, okay. And we, you see, I was trying to tell him to tell his lawyer to get me pardoned. Oh, shit. Because, you know, like, Trump is like, well, Trump administration, like, they're not just partying anyone. They're just looking into people's cases, seeing, and then, you know, giving it a review. So, yeah, I mean, Kodak DM'd me before us getting on the phone was like, yo, we should, like, run it. You know what I mean? But you took the completed song and removed the part where he said, I'm getting cheesed by rapping with a rat or some shit, right?

2:34:41Yeah, yeah, yeah. You chose to remove that so he no longer had a 16. No, no. He had, like, a 12 on the song, right? It wasn't even 16, it was 8. And I spoke about this on the Vlad shit. Okay. When we were negotiating the million dollars, right? Kodak didn't want to give the song till he got the million dollars, but we weren't gonna get, Fume wasn't gonna give Kodak the million dollars without him recording the song. So when he recorded the song, then Fume was like, yo, I think we were negotiating the NBA Youngboy shit, so they never showed up. So I guess him and Wack were in the studio. He was like, yo, Wack called me like, yo, what's up with your man?

2:35:26Like, yo, I'm putting my face in this. Like, where's the money? Blah, blah, blah, blah. Fume was waiting, blah, blah. And then by the time that Fume brought the million dollars, I guess Kodak wrote that verse. but by the time that I said, yo, don't even change it, we're just gonna take this part out and just go through with it. Cause I could've made him change the whole verse, it's a million dollars, but I was like, you know what, it's gonna viral. I think at that time he fell out wet and well. Cause remember him and that was close. Right. I was like, it's gonna go viral, this is the shit we need, we don't need it.

2:35:59And we put it out like, how you lose your bitch to a snitch? And I was like, yo, that's viral as fuck, let's just leave that part in. And then when I was gonna put the other person on it, because there was another feature on it. I don't want to say a name. He was like, yo, if that person's on the song, I'm not doing it. OK. And I was like, yo, bro, I'm going to leave your verse the way it is. Just allow this person to be on it. Right. Because I'm with the person. And um. But you didn't look at Kodak as moving kind of oppie because his producer basically leaked the original verse. So I feel like you had to be looking at it like, damn, Kodak.

2:36:38No, no, no. His producer did that on his own. Okay. And, you know, that's when Kodak started, Boosie dissed him, and then he was like, nigga, like, y 'all nigga, I forgot what was the exchange with Boosie. But I didn't look good at that, because Kodak, I had Kodak face-to-face. We was vibing in front of a few more fans. We vibed at the music video. We vibed in his car.

2:37:06Or, you know, everybody tried to give Kodak Heath for it. I guess that was his escape goat, you know? He didn't really respond. He didn't really, like, let it appear like he was bothered. No, he didn't. The only person he did respond to was Boosie. You remember that exchange? A little bit, yeah, yeah. But he didn't respond to nobody. We kept talking after that. I didn't look at it in no crazy way. I mean, that honestly was kind of like another vote in your favor, just in the sense of like, oh, Kodak did this. He got a bunch of shit, but then he didn't really even respond to it, and his life went on as normal.

2:37:43Yeah, he didn't respond to anything, only to Boosie. I don't know why. Yeah, I mean, you kind of learn that being in the public eye, that there's a lot of shit you just don't really need to respond to. You wait a week and it's gone. Yeah, and like, you know, I pray for, you know, his health and all that shit going on right now. All right, yeah, because that's the, you know, maybe hanging out with you and getting that backlash made him, like, get more into the perks. Nah, he was having, like, no, I'm telling you. Yeah, it was already in the show. When they came with the, like, and people don't know this, when they came with the million dollars, I could have had, like, yo, you got to change the whole shit.

2:38:25But his state of mind at that point was, like, pretty, like, bad. Really? Yeah. You never took a perk with him? No. You've never been tempted to even try one? I mean, I took a perk before for like... Pain. Yeah, pain and shit, but not on some like... It's a dangerous thing. Yeah, you like him? A little bit. I was always taking a 10 here and there. And then one day, I think I took a whole 30 with Brick Baby. Brick Baby is a Mexican rapper? no he's a black dude from rolling 60s that we were he was a podcaster on the jumper for like two years and then they he got caught up in the rolling 60s rico and he's probably gonna do like another couple years for like interstate firearms purchasing and shit like that but uh yeah free brick baby but yeah he he's like always been my perk head homie so he he got me to take him with him a few times but ultimately i took i took a 30 one time and i was like all right i'm done i'm not this is too much.

2:39:27I can't with this shit. Yep. The one thing I just really want to ask before we wrap this up is at one point, you make your return to the scene, but you got the new crew of YNs around you including my boy Don Stacks. And you guys had some very viral moments together. In particular, you do Axe Podcast with Wack and Hassan Campbell and shit. And we get the infamous, this is the only the Rat We Jackin' moment. And that stood out to a lot of us as like, wow, this is insane. Like, this is just crazy. Because, I don't know, so, Don Stacks is part of, it was, you know, you're from, you said you was born in New Hampshire, but you was Bushwick, so he's part of Bushwick Project.

2:40:16Him and things, so we all grew up together. Right. There's literally videos, if you guys look at Inferno, you can look this up if you look at Inferno by 6ix9ine when before gummo before post 1469 Don Stacks is in that video but they're gonna ignore that clip oh okay because I thought you just like found some new homies those are dudes you knew from before yeah you can literally side by side this while we're interviewing and literally put Inferno by 6ix9ine and you see Don Stacks in that video yeah and um I don't think that it came from any ill will like you Al Poe was in Harlem smacking the shit out of niggas, you know what I mean?

2:40:56And bitches too. But I think they're not interview savvy, so when Hassan Campbell was trying his best to

2:41:12contest them, that came out, them not being interview savvy, you know what I mean? but I don't think it was an ill will. You know what I mean? At the end of the day

2:41:28after Genie came out there was like a personal thing that happened and he still hits me up to this day. I can show you the message but I'm just like he actually hit me up three days ago. Look. For real? Yeah, look. When I interviewed him he kind of described you sort of like abandoning him in my head. Nah, that's a cap. Look. What was his Instagram? It was like three days ago. I don't know. But you got any of the GNA energy drinks left? Yeah, I have some in my house. I would drink one of those. If we would have did it in my house. Yo, that would be crazy. You got any GNA NFTs? No. Energy drinks slash.

2:42:10Yeah, you remember that? Yeah, that was the era. Yo, did you ever buy one of those NFT apes? No, but I bought a Punk. What is that? It was similar. It was like these little crypto punk heads. Like Jay-Z's Twitter picture was a crypto punk for a long ass time. And me and my girl went halves on it. 150 grand total. I don't think it's worth anything now. 150, right? So wait, so what is it now? Probably close to zero, I would assume. So you still have it? Yeah. We listed it for sale. What if somebody just screenshotted it? Yeah, they could do that. That's a big problem with NFTs. Yeah. Oh, I got money.

2:42:50Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, all right. Honestly, great. Do you think I would make it in... Well, I heard you're making your debut soon. Yeah. I'm going to tell you that the number one thing that gives guys problems is just stage fright, not being able to do it in front of a bunch of people. Wait, you do it in front of people? Yeah. No, it's just like... like just say if he was filming and i'll just well i mean like i have like my filmer who's normally the guy in the room and i don't even think about him being there and he don't say anything you don't do nothing uh but like a lot of guys even like professional dudes you know they they just have a hard time staying hard like on camera or with a couple honey pad for sure yeah i mean they're doing way crazier than that viagra cialis they got the injections you can shoot your up with some stuff that makes it hard as f*** for like four hours and then it just goes away?

2:43:51That's fire. It's crazy. I never did it, but it works like a f***ing miracle, apparently. You need to do that. You do honey packs consistently, though? Nah. I've done it. That's fun. Yeah, I do, too. I never did it until recently. And recently I tried it a couple times, and I'm like, damn, that's the funnest f***. They're amazing. That supercharges you, yeah. I hate to just endorse them like that, but yeah, it's a good time. Get some blood moving. All right, yo, 6ix9ine, appreciate you. Appreciate you. It's going to be funny for people to see us getting, like, a little bit progressively more drunk throughout this.

2:44:26I didn't get fully shit-faced. Nah, we didn't get shit-faced. Definitely drunker than they're used to seeing me. Let's literally go out right now and get shit-faced. All right, let's go. Yeah, let's do it. Where are we going? Wherever. All right, let's go. All right, yo, I appreciate you, bro. Thank you for sitting down with me and everything. It was a great time. I appreciate it, man. I appreciate it. Yo, did the Dodgers win? It's tied up right now. It's tied? I told you. What I said? We can put it on the TV. What I said? Bro, I'm telling you. Yo, Steve. I'm telling you. Bro, let's sign up. Let's sign up.

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