In short
Big Yavo (Alabama rapper) discusses growing up in Mobile/Alabama, his music path, investing outside rap, navigating street danger, and why he avoids industry “politics” and street beef in his lyrics.
Guest backgrounds
Big Yavo is an Alabama artist who opened on tour for No Cap and has worked with/been noticed by major Southern rappers. He describes his upbringing as hood-based with his mother, grandmother, and sister; his father was incarcerated but later released. He played baseball and says music (gospel, church, R&B, rap) was constant in his household.
Key claims
He “crunk back up” after real-life setbacks; he invests (including real estate) and credits an uncle in the club business for opportunities. He says Alabama shows can be extremely dangerous (he was shot at early in his career, hit in the back). He avoids forcing industry relationships and says he won’t pay for fake friendships. He claims he’s never been a drill artist and avoids naming people in songs.
Notable examples
“No Pin” as an early breakout video; opening for No Cap; being approached by Offset; meeting Webbie; a near-violent Alabama show; “Dingles” project themed around baseball “dingers.”
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOBig Yabo's Comeback Story
1:01 to 3:26
Big Yabo discusses his recent struggles and return to music.
“I'm in here today with my man Remo, and we're sitting down to have a conversation with Alabama's very own Big Yebo.”
Investing Beyond Music
3:26 to 4:04
Big Yabo talks about investing outside of his music career.
“Especially when you, your main focus is one thing, which is music.”
Navigating Music and Life
4:04 to 5:12
The challenges of balancing music with personal life and investments.
“and make me somebody who's not just a regular guy.”
Upbringing and Family Influence
5:12 to 6:32
Big Yabo shares his childhood experiences and family dynamics.
“so you can like be creative and kind of make the people miss you and then come back even though, I don't know, like a lot of people.”
Musical Inspirations from Alabama
6:32 to 8:05
Discussion on music's role in Big Yabo's life and influences from Alabama.
“I ain't like my mama, my grandma, my auntie.”
Comparing Environments: Alabama vs. Other Places
8:05 to 9:51
Big Yabo compares his hometown environment with places he's traveled.
“There's not nothing to do that, but a few things.”
The Music Scene and Local Artists
9:51 to 12:27
Insights into local artists who inspired Big Yabo and his journey.
“Like, it ain't no fucking, it ain't, you know how some people got cameras on.”
First Steps in Music
12:27 to 14:00
Big Yabo recounts his early experiences in music and gaining attention.
“Yeah, like how'd you first even put a song together?”
Big Yavo's Rise in the Music Scene
14:00 to 20:57
Learn about Big Yavo's early experiences and strategies that led to his music career taking off.
“I don't think it was my first video, but it was one of my first videos.”
Big Yavo's Rise in the Music Scene
21:27 to 22:00
Learn about Big Yavo's early experiences and strategies that led to his music career taking off.
“Why does being around your family make you regress into your worst self?”
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Navigating Relationships in the Industry
22:00 to 28:00
Understand Big Yavo's perspective on industry relationships and his experiences with other artists.
“But that's when I first started rapping, though.”
Reflection on Performances and Fan Reactions
28:00 to 28:50
Big Yavo discusses his experiences performing and the emotional responses of fans.
“We do a show, we might go to the studio, chill, get on the tour bus, bunch of bitches.”
Experiences with Danger in Alabama
28:50 to 30:10
He recounts a dangerous incident during a performance in Alabama where he was shot at.
“Because I saw that you got shot at a show one time.”
The Need for Protection on Tour
30:10 to 31:40
Big Yavo talks about the importance of security and self-protection while touring.
“Yeah, being from down south, Webby and Boosie, like the staples down, you know what I'm saying?”
Collaboration with Webby
31:40 to 33:20
He shares his admiration for Webby and the story behind their potential collaboration.
“And then when I looked up, I ain't see him no more.”
Navigating Conflict and Beef in the Industry
33:20 to 34:40
Big Yavo explains how he deals with conflict and beef within the music scene.
“like interesting because I felt like you're somebody who you got a ton of talent and you could make noise without having to do all the beefing and shit but that shit just kind of follows you.”
Reflections on YBN Nahmir's Success
34:40 to 36:00
He discusses YBN Nahmir's rapid rise to fame and its impact on him.
“I mean, I feel like there's been like a chilling effect because of shit like the YSL Rico, the Dirk Rico shit that never really happened.”
Community Reactions to Success
36:00 to 38:20
Big Yavo reflects on how his success is received by his hometown community.
“But it ain't been never a situation where you try to help the niggas, and then I guess they wasn't receptive of the help, or you ain't never really looked their way.”
YBN Nahmir's Gang Affiliations
38:20 to 39:30
Discussion about YBN Nahmir's past gang affiliations and the implications of switching sides.
“But even you, you said you was a young nigga.”
Personal Views on Gang Culture
39:30 to 41:10
He shares his perspective on gang culture and how it affects personal choices.
“And a lot of people give him a hard time about that, but from my perspective, it's kind of like, shit, if you've been out here banging with the same dudes for all these years.”
Staying Away from Street Life
41:10 to 42:00
Big Yavo emphasizes his decision to avoid street life and focus on his music career.
“that this is who I'm with now on a completely different side of the country?”
Growing Up in Alabama and Musical Journey
42:00 to 46:19
Big Yavo discusses his upbringing in Alabama, his experiences with the streets, and the impact of becoming a father on his life choices.
“like, I'm with originals, like, from the hood.”
The Role of Baby Mamas and Clout Chasing
46:48 to 47:22
The conversation shifts to the implications of relationships with baby mamas and the associated risks in the rap industry.
“Why does being around your family make you regress into your worst self?”
Bringing the Alabama Scene Together
47:22 to 49:24
Big Yavo talks about the potential for collaboration among Alabama artists to elevate their musical presence.
“Or what about the memes that people still are pumping out about Dirk?”
Navigating Relationships in the Industry
49:24 to 50:39
Yavo shares his thoughts on loyalty, trust, and the importance of maintaining relationships in the music scene.
“How important is it for you to bring your people with you?”
The Influence of Other Artists
50:39 to 53:08
Discussion on the influence of other artists and the complexities of sharing success and fame.
“You guys just did a couple songs together?”
Health, Lifestyle, and Longevity
53:08 to 56:00
Big Yavo emphasizes the importance of health and fitness as he navigates his career and personal life.
“But that's kind of the question is, like, if you live in one place until you're 18 and then you take off and make it somewhere else.”
Navigating Fame and Loss
56:00 to 57:28
The guest discusses the emotional impact of success and loss in his life.
“Trying to go and get on that now while I'm young.”
Current Focus and Motivation
57:28 to 58:24
The guest shares his current focus on music and what drives him financially.
“Okay, so what do you got planned as far as future stuff?”
Defining Success
58:24 to 59:52
The conversation explores what it means to truly succeed in the music industry.
“Speaking of where you came from, who would you put on the Mount Rushmore of Alabama rap?”
Balancing Fame and Normalcy
59:52 to 1:03:48
The guest talks about the duality of fame and leading a normal life.
“Just like everything you, like, y 'all be talking about this shit, like, it just bring too much unnecessary attention.”
Life Lessons in the Music Industry
1:03:48 to 1:05:03
Reflections on the importance of being level-headed and true to oneself in the industry.
“That's why we think you're a Texas artist sometimes, too.”
Life Lessons in the Music Industry
1:05:33 to 1:06:03
Reflections on the importance of being level-headed and true to oneself in the industry.
“Cozy season is ahead and you'll be spending way more time inside.”
Transcript
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1:00No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. I'm in here today with my man Remo, and we're sitting down to have a conversation with Alabama's very own Big Yebo. How you living, man? Doing good, brother. Appreciate you for having me. Nah, I'm hyped because we did, there was a no cap vlog that we did like almost three years ago in LA where we went to his live show and got to have a little bit of a conversation with you. You were running around on tour opening up for no cap with Bic Fizzle. And yeah, I've been a fan of your music for a minute, So it's good to see you moving around, still doing your thing.
1:32What's going on lately in your life? To be honest, I really just crunk back up. You know how real life hit a nigga, you know? It's just life. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes some people can cope with it and keep working. Some people have to slow down and you feel me, figure it out. And I'm one of them people because I don't really got nobody in this shit. Really? When real life hit me, I just had to file back and play my cards type shit. But I'm back now type shit. So real life in terms of like crazy street type drama? Were you having any difficulties with the law? Was it label shit? Like what was going on in your life?
2:06All of that. He's everything. All of the bull. How you rate your pain? All of the bull. Mm, damn. Okay, that's crazy. So when you did fall back, what type of shit you were doing just to fall back? Just getting right with myself, bro. Yeah, for sure. Playing the game. That's one of the things I do to keep my mind busy. But a lot of shit, bro. Working. Trying to invest. being with my kids shit like that so you invest your money outside of rap yeah for sure most definitely what kind of stuff I book another artist I had visited to a club I got a lot I invested a lot of places for real a lot of little side shit this shit will slow down on me that ain't nothing new who put you down to that cause you know a lot of black people we don't really have that many entrepreneurs that could show us the ropes.
2:59My uncle. Shout out Chris, Christopher. My uncle for sure. He in the club business. Shit, and he been having this shit going on and he was trying to get something new. So I was like, damn, this doesn't make sense. You know what I'm saying? Put my bread in with you and we come together and figure something out. So it was just somebody I knew that been had their motion going and I was like, damn, I'm trying to invest and get in where I fit in type shit. you know that's something i'm still working on figuring out because i feel like i got the youtube thing and everything and it's like i know people who own a bunch of houses or apartments so they have some other side business that's like completely disconnected and it sounds great but also it's like you kind of have to be willing to multitask and like be able to take your eye off your main thing and like put some attention over here and traditionally i never really been able to do that and that's that's you know they get hard trying to level out the money the income You know what I'm saying?
3:56Especially when you, your main focus is one thing, which is music. Right. Because when you're coming up, you're looking at music as like, this is the one thing that's going to save me and make me somebody who's not just a regular guy. And so it's like, you know, you're so used to putting 100 % of your effort into that. For sure. I mean, with anybody, like, just like if you cut grass and you're being your grad company doing the most, the most numbers, you're going to put your, you know what I'm saying? You're going to put all your focus right there. So rap bringing in the most money. You know what I'm saying So but Now I'm exploring Real estate You know what I'm saying That shit ain't You know what I'm saying Like once you Look at other options And see what it can do You know what I'm saying It'll figure something out Was that a part of your cheat code Cause being from Alabama There ain't too many rappers That come up out of there So But you you know Booking artists and stuff Was it a thing where You was booking artists And maybe opening up for them No It was after the fact After the fact Oh yeah but smart man Like when my shit Started slowing down I still used to hate Yeah yeah yeah I ain't just flat You know what I'm saying even when the music started.
4:55I ain't never just been a nigga just look up flat. But you started using some of your rap money to book other rappers, though. Feel me? Yeah, that's smart. Smart man. But even like the biggest rappers, they're in your face, they drop an album, they tour, and then they're just gone for like six months or a year. That's the old school way of doing it is to kind of like take frequent long breaks so you can like be creative and kind of make the people miss you and then come back even though, I don't know, like a lot of people. I feel like you can't do that until you get it to a certain peak. That's why I fucked up it.
5:22And I wouldn't say fucked up because I didn't try to do it intentionally like it was real life. But whatever you're going through, any artist, you know what I'm saying, watching this, whatever you're going through, you know what I'm saying, you're doing, you focus on music. It don't got to be music. You focus on football. Don't fall away from it and try to deal with real life. Man, go harder. Like, make that shit be motivation because that's what I should have did different, but everybody do shit different. You know what I'm saying? So let's go through the early days of Big A, though. So tell us a little bit about your upbringing and what your household was like that you grew up in.
5:54It was just me and my mama. It was me, my mama, and my sister at first, like, when I first came up. Then I moved with my grandma, and it was just me, my sister, and my grandma, and my granddaddy. And I moved back with my mama, and it was the same shit. But it was, like, it wasn't just bad as hell. I ain't going to say that. I stayed in the hood. I'm from the hood, of course. We didn't get everything we wanted, but it wasn't just that bad. Like a nigga had an option. You know what I'm saying? A nigga had an option. But it just, everything ain't what you want in the house. Everybody want more out of life, so.
6:32I ain't like my mama, my grandma, my auntie. I ain't do right by me or tell me what to do. They did. I just chose to do the wrong shit. So your pops wasn't around? Nah, hell no. My pops was locked up. He was before he got locked up. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. Damn. So did you keep much of a relationship with him? Yeah, we cool. Cool as hell. I was just with him. We just did. I just went to a show with him. Oh, okay. So he's out now? Yeah, he out now. Okay. That's what's up. Do you have a memory of, like, listening to a lot of music in your house growing up, or was that part of your upbringing? Hell, yeah.
7:02That's my piece. Like, well, one of my pieces. Like, music. Like, that shit'll soothe your mind. Just keep it busy, you know? Yeah. Been listening to music. Been hopping in the car with Uncle. He bumping some shit. Hopping in the car with Granny. She bumped my gospel. It's music everywhere. You know what I mean? That shit ain't stopping my house. What kind of artists in particular? and did you remember like just like really gravitating towards the rap stuff? Nah, because like I said, it was, if anything, bro, I probably was been a gospel singer because like, I was with granny and my auntie and they was like in church.
7:30They had you at the church? Facts. You were singing in the gospel? Hell nah. And they had you in the choir? Hell nah. He was just with me. My auntie just told me I was in the choir. I was like, no. She was like, you would. I was like, so I was singing. She was like, no. You were playing bullshit like, you know what I'm saying? but hell nah like all that shit music that's when i came around like gospel church song church music old school r &b rap like it wasn't nothing particular in my house definitely so now that you've had a chance to kind of like travel the world and everything when you look at alabama and the environment that you grew up in how does it compare to a lot of other places that you've been and shit because when you're young you can't really tell the world shit about where you're from because it's just what you're used to but now that you've kind of got more of a perspective like what was it really like that shit different that's the trenches i can't lie like this shit peaches and cream and i ain't saying like peaches and cream because i know she get crazy like i ain't saying like it's sweet and then because kelly like that but i'm talking about as far as the community like even what uh even where the trenches are down here it still look better you You know what I'm saying?
8:39Man, I came from like shit. Like it ain't shit, duh. Yeah. There's not nothing to do that, but a few things. I mean, there's just like areas down south. Because I was just in Houston and Dallas doing like different vlogs. I've seen you. I've seen you. I've seen you. I've seen you. All my life, I've seen you. Oh, Jesus. But like the reason why it stands out to me is just that like the population is a lot less like per area. So it's like California. Yeah, it's like you might have your super grimy ass areas with crazy gang shit or whatever. but it's also like a lot of people in a relatively small area whereas like down south there's so many areas that are damn near dead where it's just like nothing and it's just like a different level that's exactly what i mean you know exactly what i'm saying like yeah that's that's a good way to compare because like even where like you said even where down here where the bullshit going on there it's still a lot of people like what a bullshit down there's a lot of people in this place where they shit at but i'm not from like first thing we country is here like and bam like I'm from Dirt Rose and shit.
9:36Like, no, like, I'm from the city. Okay. Like, a city part. I got a city. We from the city. But it's still places. Like, my other partner from Houston, he was in Mobile riding with me one night. He was like, man, I see why niggas get killed. Like, it ain't no lights. Like, it's just a dark-ass street. Like, a nigga can do it right here. Like, it ain't no fucking, it ain't, you know how some people got cameras on. Man, it's streets where it ain't shit. Yeah. Like, it's meant for you to get killed right here. Like we went to a trail ride when we were in Houston. It was basically kind of like a block party without the block.
10:08Like it's just a big ass like field basically. And when we showed up, we're with Maxo and Cartel Boat. And we show up and they're like, damn, yeah, somebody got killed here. Like right before we got here. I'm like, are you fucking serious? And they're telling me about it. And I'm like just realizing like, oh, like whoever did it is getting away with it. Because we're in this giant fucking field. Like unless they're crazy as hell, like I don't know how they could get away or get caught up for it. And that shit be so, it's so reachable. Like, places like that, like roads like that. Like, nigga, we can turn right here.
10:38You feel me? Like, you don't got to go far to do nothing. But the opposite of that is New York City, where you want to shoot somebody, good fucking luck. Because there's 18 cameras that just filmed you doing this. It's going to be in front of the whole world. Oh, God. Like, that's where it separates us from. Bigger cities like Cali, New York, like, it's easy to get away with shit. For sure. I'd say that. So being from Alabama, who was you like musically looking at to know that you could do it yourself? Dobie. Cap. Rilo. I ain't know Cap. Like, I seen him. Man, I was in school with Cap. I was in, like, I've been knowing these people.
11:16I ain't know Rilo. You ever seen him in school? Yeah. So he's something that was like your age and you're seeing him come up before you. That shit motivated me. Like, seeing him go up. Like, I used to, I watched Cap go up. Like, I watched that shit, like, from nothing. That's why I understand how people be hanging. Like, that shit really made me like, damn, this nigga live his head. He just growing up. Like, who's just in school? You know? Like, I'm like, damn, this nigga was just right here. I know I can do it. Y 'all went to high school together? Yeah. I know I can. And I didn't even fall there.
11:43I've been, like, been, I ain't going to say well, but I've been bumping into him somewhere, like, just hooping. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, just see the shit. That's a cool person. Way back. Him and his brother form. Like him kind of like having, you know, him being like a role model or him, somebody that kind of like showing you the game is a good example too because he's like pure talent. A lot of people come up off a bunch of bullshit and goofy shit these days, but he's like one of the most talented dudes in the game. Exactly. Definitely. Was there anybody like older that you looked at from your area that made you feel like it was possible?
12:15Rallo. Rallo, yeah, yeah, yeah. Rallo for sure. I've been in the barbershop and seen Rallo wait on his ride type shit. Really? Shit like that. That's motivation. Definitely. How'd you first get in the studio? Like me? Yeah, like how'd you first even put a song together? You remember? Yeah. My cousin used to cut hair at a barbershop. It was like 2015. I was just backed up. That's when I couldn't rap, though. Like, I don't know what them songs at type shit. Just rapping. Took you a while to figure it out. Yeah, hell yeah. Like, none of that came out, went nowhere, nothing. That's when I first got in the studio.
12:52But when I took it serious With like 2019 Like I started getting In that booth like 2019 And I started dropping Like 2020 So what's the game plan though Cause you know Being from a small town Ain't really too many Outlets or media outlets To get your music out Man I already had clout In the city So you So instantly when you Dropping music Everybody just gravitating Towards it I ain't gonna say like I was that famous But like hell yeah In school and shit Like nigga been getting likes And you know what I'm saying Like that matter Like niggas knowing you Like, so when I dropped, niggas already knew me.
13:25It wasn't hard for it to spread. You know what I'm saying? Like, I already kind of had, like, a little popular. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to say I was just popular as hell, but, like, at school. Niggas weren't just lame. Like, damn near the whole school knew it, nigga. Yeah. I mean, there's, like, two ways where it's either you blow up and, like, you're the popular kid in school or, like, the school's fucking with you. Or you're the lame kid. But then you're the weird kid who, like, puts their shit online and the other weird kids online relate to it. And then your neighborhood got to kind of catch up.
13:50Exactly. Yeah. I was the other way. I've seen both versions of that over the years, for sure. So what song you put out that started gaining you attention outside of Alabama? It was like, all right, this shit gone. I said no pin. My first video. I don't know. I don't think it was my first video, but it was one of my first videos. No pin, for sure. But when I first dropped, I was getting like 20K. Oh, instantly. Audio. Yeah. No video. I was ripped. Like two weeks, 20K. And that's kind of super good. or something, bro. That ain't normal. Nobody ain't doing that. Thousand subscribers. Like, this fresh, me and my partner, Richard So Ice, we was rapping.
14:28Like, we making songs. We going to the studio every night. Like, we locking in and putting this shit together. Sharing his platform with me. Like, his fan fuck with me. My fan fuck with him. Kept just, kept dropping. And I'm pushing up to the clubs, opening up. No cap for artists and shit. Like, anybody come to the city, I'm pushing up, opening up. So that was a big part of your strategy. Yeah, yeah, because then nobody know my shit. Yeah. I remember one show we went to Didn't nobody know my shit But we were deep before Singing that shit Like rapping that shit Word for word Oh god And that's how like you know Rappers impressed other rappers Yeah yeah Start networking and shit Niggas looking like Bro if you got 10, 15 niggas Rapping the same thing Like this is like a choir bro Somebody gonna pay attention Yeah Niggas in that hole like You feel me like paying attention now Like you know what I'm saying So what rappers came to Alabama Early on that you You know probably opened up for During that time
15:23I know for sure I opened up for Cinco But he from Alabama Yeah It was somebody else Bro I forgot It was an artist though But I don't remember The nigga name But that was more so The strategy like I'm gonna just keep Hitting the club Hitting the club Even when the artist Don't come Yeah I might perform On the Tuesday Just in that bitch Like you know what I'm saying I did it Yeah cause when I was just Again when I was just in Texas It's like where at a show as a big X show and then there's like other artists that are performing before him and I'm like kind of thinking like oh okay this is like a paid opener type situation because like in LA like I just don't really go out enough to like really see it but you're really seeing dudes getting sections they got all their jewelry they got girls with them and it's like they're aspiring rappers and you're kind of like watching it and like I always hear about it but I don't really like see it in front of my face that often but that definitely like in these markets especially like like i feel like there's the whole like chitlin circuit where basically like there's just tons of money to be made just traveling down south like did you have like a lot of artists kind of coming through your area to perform at a uh like before you popped off like could you kind of consistently see artists or not really nah that wasn't really like that okay i mean it was but before i started like they it was artists getting booked but like like i said it didn't take me long.
16:43You know what I'm saying? Like, no bullshit. Like, I probably did like five shows before folks started annoying me. And three of them probably wasn't nobody in that bitch. You get what I'm saying? Right. No cap. Like, real shit. Like, probably only two of them had a full club. Definitely. So, um, what kind of kid were you in high school before the rapping shit took off? Like, were you somebody who was, like, really outside getting into trouble and shit or were you kind of focused? He was playing sports, wasn't he? I played baseball. I wanted to play football Coach ain't fooling me as a football player.
17:14He fooled me as a person, but I don't feel like he wanted me around his team. There's no cap. On Jesus Christ, Coach Vakakis, I don't know. We just ain't really get along on the football side. But I played baseball for sure. What did you explain? What position? First, third, shit like that. I was fast fucking baseball. But as far as a student, I don't know. I was definitely getting into dumb shit, but I wasn't just one of them niggas who forcing it either, though. just drive force and it just I don't know how to explain it like a nigga get into some shit but it won't be no no force shit like we probably go to a party or something get in a fight shoot out shit like that but it don't be on no force shit like in school I used to go to school try to do my work bullshit clad clown joking like I was that type like I was you feel me was it like I feel like baseball is kind of like a weird sport in rap because it's like it is such a gigantic sport but then in hip hop people don't really talk about baseball like that They talk about basketball and maybe football.
18:12Facts. But me and my cousin came up about baseball. Like, his uncle, shit, my granddaddy, like, they always had us on the baseball team. And I loved it. I fell in love with the shit. And I played football and basketball, too. But that was my favorite sport. No lie. Like, I always loved baseball. I don't know why. Did the baseball dreams kind of die with the music, or was it before that? It was way before that. I knew I wasn't going to go no damn way in baseball. just simple fact school I went to that bitch in the middle of the hood and the people when we do play good people we getting blowed out you know what I'm saying so yeah I knew that shit wasn't working but hey I was out of class damn damn Monday through Friday early baseball we had a game every day that was the finesse I had the whole I told a lot of my niggas bro I need to play baseball we gonna get out of class dumb early I had the baseball team to the gym 12 o 'clock we just got to school also like I would personally probably rather play baseball just because of the fact that I don't really feel like I could be running up and down a court for that long.
19:15Baseball is kind of more my status. I'm just chilling until the ball comes your way, and then you've got to figure out what to do. The new project is you have a project that's baseball-themed. You've kind of worked that into everything. A dinger or a dinker? Dingers. Dingers. What is that exactly? This is when you hit it, right? Yeah. A good hit. Preferably a home run. Right, right. Why did you decide to make that the theme of the project? Bro, when I be coming up with my project name, it be on some spur of the moment shit, like whatever come to my head. I don't be trying to overthink shit, you know what I'm saying?
19:48I really named it Dingles, and it was just going to be an album cover of me and a big-ass crowd, like a monstery when I had a show. I'm like, man, I'm going to just make it about baseball because even though that's not what it's about, but I love the sport, so I merged them. But it's really based off like hits, just a bunch of hits. No, definitely. So, okay, so everything started, like, the music kind of takes off relatively quickly. Do you start just getting reached out to by all the labels and everything right away, or, like, how did that kind of unfold? Mm-hmm. Probably, like, it took me, like, probably five months.
20:22Mm-hmm. No bullshit. By five months, they started hearing me up, rappers, labels, all kind of shit. How did you all decide who you wanted to sign with? I had talked to a couple people, and then, like, the people I chose, they were just cool as hell. They went on no, you know what I'm feeling? Like we just came into agreement on all of the real shit was written down. So definitely. What was the craziest, uh, artists that reached out to you in terms of you just being a little bit shocked that they were tapping in.
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21:59I say, oh, shit. But that's when I first started rapping, though. So it was kind of crazy even But was he trying to sign you or he was just showing love? Okay, he was trying to sign me Where he where he get hit to you at where we are running on we run an offset I ain't running Bye, but where he he showed you where he was paying attention you from no idea just called on Also be paying attention though. I had like 30 ,000 followers On Instagram were you just sprung like damn? I want to sign to him right away or were you already like I don't know like I got I ain't gonna lie I wasn't sprung but I was for sure like I was happy like damn this offset you know what I'm saying I came up listening I was bumping this shit on the way to school so that shit definitely was like damn this shit hard as fuck but now I wasn't anxious to sign to him cause I already had people reaching out throwing crazy ass deals you know what I'm saying like and he said some shit like he said some shit I was thinking about it but you know shit just other shit happened it wasn't no GD thing cause you know down south we got GD's bike stores Or is he also be tapped in?
23:04All right, for sure. Also be tapped in with all the GDs, it seems like. It might be. I don't know. Shit. I don't buy it, though. So I don't feel like it was no gang relationship. No, it was just all the music, straight up. What's y 'all relationship now? Y 'all talk or? No, I don't talk to them. You got industry friends? How you feel about like industry friends and shit like that? Fuck no. Not really? Why do you think that is? Not at all. Why do you think that is? Like you just haven't really, you don't put a lot of effort into it? Hell nah. That's probably why. Right. I ain't doing no dick around.
23:35I ain't gonna. I'm like, DM a nigga, yo, let's work. That's it. I ain't finna extra overdo it. That's it. I don't just, I don't extend my hand like that because I feel like it was genuine when it was calm, you know? That's a weird part about like being in the music business is that anybody who knows what's going on will tell you that it's all about relationships. It's all about having connections to people and these people will look out for you, et cetera. And like, we can all think of people that are high up on the Rolling Loud flyer every year and it's like they ain't really hot like that but they got a good relationship or they make people like them etc but then meanwhile like if you're the kind of person that really just kind of stays to yourself or is more like only interacts with people that you really have a real relationship with i mean that shit does kind of hurt you in the long run which is it's it's a weird balance like do you just want to be yourself or do you want to really get serious about playing the game i ain't gonna lie see that's that's what separates me from this shit because i don't really care for it like that.
24:32To do all that. You know? Like if you want to be a superstar, do that. But I don't care for it. There's all my kids, I don't. Like if somebody come to me right now and offer me a bunch of money to stop rapping and disappear and delete all my social media, I'll do it. I don't really give a fuck about being, like you see, like come on bro, you feel me? I don't get nothing for it. Just being honest like. Right. That's what, I feel like that's what separates me from different people. Like I don't, I'm not going to take that extra step, push up on nobody, pay$50 ,000,$60 ,000. No, I'm not doing it.
25:05I'm just not. I'm sorry. I'm not going to push up on nobody and get them my hard-earned money so we can pump fake it with each other. Yeah. And you can do the video, act like you fuck with me. I'll kick your heart and it's over with. Yeah, because I see that all the time where somebody pays an artist, whatever,$50K,$100K, et cetera. Because y 'all didn't become best friends. And you literally paid that artist$100 ,000 to pretend that he was friends with you for afternoon to shoot this music video to trick the fans into thinking that you're on this rapper's level because the fans aren't really with it enough to understand how this works.
25:39But, let's be real, I've seen a lot of people who did that exact move and it works. And then they get mad at them. But some people get mad at them. Like, I get mad. They don't lock in with them or double back. That's not what it is, though. In today's world, it's not like that. Y 'all, the co-workers, bro, like this shit. You feel me? You ever go to a show and you see like there's two artists on the bill and like the headliner got songs with like a couple of different artists that are on the bill and you would think that they would be cool and that they would be hanging out or whatever and you see them backstage and you realize like these motherfuckers don't even know each other.
26:14I mean, hey, it is what it is. It's just the business we work in here. Nah, facts. Do your management or your label get mad that you don't be wanting to play little player games because you know it kind of hinder you if you don't want to play the little politics. I had times, bro. Quavo done hit me like, hey, push up on me real quick. I was down. I was dusted. I wouldn't say dusted. I had on a Nike jumpsuit. I ain't had my jersey, no haircut. I'm just that type of nigga, bro. I move off genuine. Now I'm going to say genuine because Quavo wasn't genuine nigga. He done hit me. You feel me? He done played my music around people before.
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26:48Hit me up. Told me to push up. But I just go off like, is it me? You know what I'm saying? I was down bad just in the studio. Hey, Quavo said pull up. They like, man, bro, this once in a lifetime. I said, bro, this once in a lifetime for y 'all. Like, you know what I'm saying? This shit, if it's meant, it'll happen. Like, if this is once in a lifetime, then how much do I really want it? Like, if it's really an opportunity, then it should be an opportunity the next day or next week or whatever, too, right? That's how I look at shit. That's just how I am, bro. Like, and my manager be on my head about shit.
27:19I was about to say the manager's side be pissed off. Yeah, he be like, bro, you got this, like, this game you got to play, man. Like, I know you. My mom even told me one time, bro, I know you don't like kissing that. That's why I'm just going to do it for you. Because I know I just see you ain't friendly. But I wouldn't say I ain't friendly, bro. I just go out genuine love. I don't force shit, bro. I'm not going to pay for a friendship. Definitely. So what about something like going on that tour with No Cat when I first met you? Was that the first major tour that you went on for a long period of time?
27:52And did that change how you viewed the industry and everything? That was the first major tour. It didn't change how I viewed the industry because I've been in New Cal. That's what I'm saying. It was genuine. We do a show, we might go to the studio, chill, get on the tour bus, bunch of bitches. It was genuine. You get what I'm saying? It wasn't. So I went, that ain't had shit to do with the industry. Definitely. It changed the way I looked at fans and shit like that. Bigger platform, just being on the bigger stage. Right. And I appreciate it, but no, not the industry. And different, like, demographics.
28:29You're, like, in different states, and the audience looks completely different, or they act different. It's like. Like, people really. I see people crying for bro, like, really love bro. Right. You know what I'm saying? So that made me look at, I'd say, my career different, but not the industry or nothing like that. For sure. So how dangerous is it actually performing in Alabama? Because I saw that you got shot at a show one time. Mm-hmm. What actually went down with that situation? I feel like it's dangerous here. Well, just being honest. And I was just sleeping for real, for real. Really? Yeah.
29:02But I ain't, like, that was one of my first shows that I was just telling you about. Like, that was one of my first shows. Oh, so it was real early on. Yeah, nigga ain't had no gun on him. Oh. Just did a show. And then, it was real awesome. Nigga just jumped out shooting at everybody type shit. Mm. Like, the whole crowd. Really? And the nigga wasn't even looking when he was blowing. I don't know what the fuck he was doing. I wasn't looking. I tried to get my ass down. But damn, one of your first shows, that got to be tough, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was tough. Where you get hit at? In my back.
29:31I didn't even know I was shot. But that's got to be a crazy thing, too, about going on tour is that when you're at home, you can move the right way that you want to move or whatever. But then as soon as you're, like, in L.A. and you drove there on a tour bus and shit like that, now, I mean, you could have security and shit like that, Yeah, but it's like completely different world in terms of how you're moving around or protecting yourself, especially with having jewelry and everything. It's great, though. I got people everywhere. Like, he was like, nigga, I got somebody I tap in with. Check in, whatever you want to call it.
30:03I got somebody. When I get to Cali, when I first came down here, my jeweler told me, like, hey, bro, I see you in Cali. Don't let the palm tree fool you. Don't get you a gun. Guess what? I went and got me a gun from my plug. I pushed up on my plug Gave me a gun So we be militant Everywhere So Yeah and that show That was in Alabama Yeah yeah It's worse I feel like it's It's more Dangerous at home Yeah All the shows I had at home It'd been to shoot out Cause you know Even the famous Boosie quote He'd be saying You know It's more problems Where you at Yeah yeah Cause you got the song Webby Flow And so How did that song Even come about I fuck with Webby Tough Like that's one of my Niggas I grew up listening to with unking shit.
30:47Yeah, being from down south, Webby and Boosie, like the staples down, you know what I'm saying? You feel me? Like that shit, nigga, I had a Webby or I had a Boosie. Like the haircut, like nigga, that was the way. You feel me? That's what I grew up on, Webby and Boosie. No, 100%. Did you ever get to meet Webby or Boosie? Yeah, I met Webby. Yeah, what Webby was talking about? Who's supposed to be in the video? Damn, I would've been hard. Yeah. It just didn't work out? I really don't even want to speak on because that shit will blow you. Wait, why? It'll blow you. It's not crazy. I ain't going to do it.
31:22It was on his behalf, your behalf. It was his behalf. All right, for sure. Damn, but so was he appreciative of the fact that you kind of like helped keep his name ringing and everything? I know he's like a local legend down there and everything, but it felt like to a lot of people that might have kind of reminded people about Webby. I don't know. Because like when I met him, I shook his hand and shit. And then when I looked up, I ain't see him no more. Oh, really? So you felt like he was kind of fake? Nah, hell, man, I wouldn't say fake. I ain't gonna say fake, because he dap me up, I told him, he was in Alabama.
31:57We was deep, y 'all, we was deep as hell. Yeah, y 'all niggas scared him off, man. Y 'all niggas out there with those switches or whatever the fuck. But we didn't come on that, though. We was on something like, that's big, like, I ain't gonna lie, that's big brother, like, I fuck with it. But you still know, sometimes you go down south, like, even Bootsy got shot in Texas. Yeah, I feel like he was just on it, like, I don't feel like he was scared or nothing, but he was just like, he ain't fuck with the vibe. He wasn't feeling the vibe of the video shit. He had to get up out of there. Yeah, fact.
32:21But yeah, it was seen like, y 'all got some Alabama drill shit going on in Alabama, man. Y 'all hot. I'm seeing, I'm like, damn, I ain't know what was going on. I'm seeing you and some nigga named De Niro going back and forth. The nigga made a diss song. Now, you had dropped a song called I'm Him, and I guess he flipped it. And then that's when you dropped the, what's it called? Free? No, Facts. Facts. Yeah, so what? I dropped Facts before he dropped the - Oh, so it's the opposite way around. So how you feel about, you know, niggas dissing the songs and responding and shit? I mean, everybody to each his own.
32:51Like, it don't make me feel no way. Like, it just be blowing me for real, for real, because I don't know him. Yeah, but I seen DMs where it seemed like y 'all was about to work and do some music together. At one point, he was hitting you up. Yeah, he would definitely hit me up. Oh, so y 'all never really got to lock in before? Right, shit. Because my producer, Laura, she was telling me, she's like, hey, you want to interview Big Yebo tomorrow? I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's do it. and then I get on YouTube and I had no idea and I started like kind of doing my research and I'm like oh alright he's wrapped up in some shit and it's kind of like interesting because I felt like you're somebody who you got a ton of talent and you could make noise without having to do all the beefing and shit but that shit just kind of follows you.
33:30If I have to get a buzz I don't need it. Straight up. To each his own like I don't know about none of that shit they be talking about. I'm from Mobile. Yeah. Straight up like just telling you right now cleaning my face. They be having me in a bunch of shit I ain't got nothing to do with down there. Because that be Birmingham shit? Right. I ain't from now. Yeah. But how you get tired? You must have got just affiliation. Nah, I moved out when I was younger, for sure. But I don't know what they be talking about. Because they were saying that you like, they was like, oh, this nigga trying to like back out of like fucking with some of the homies or some shit because you made a post like, nigga, I'm not in that shit.
34:03But it's like all your homies, I guess, is in it type shit. But it makes sense. You being from Mobile, you like, nigga, I ain't. Right. I don't be trying. Like, I just love life. Like, I ain't trying to go to jail. I ain't trying to go get no Rico charge. So you be staying out? For sure. All that police have internet shit. I don't know what they talking about. But sometimes you get in because I seen you on live with a nigga Vito or some shit. Y 'all going back and forth. You from Mobile or Birmingham? He from Birmingham. All right. So you from Birmingham? Where the fuck? I see y 'all arguing about some shit.
34:32It just be, you know, nigga might fall under the trap sometimes. But hey, I'm on the point now where I'm just ain't doing that no more because that's how I get in shit when I respond. I mean, I feel like there's been like a chilling effect because of shit like the YSL Rico, the Dirk Rico shit that never really happened. But the little baby shit, like I think that kind of scared a lot of people into realizing like, oh, if we do have shit going on in the streets, we probably should not be putting this shit in the music. Now, obviously, you still got plenty of drill artists that do it and shit. But it feels like to a lot of people, they kind of smartened up because of that.
35:07I've never been a drill artist, though. I ain't never said nothing about no nigga never dropped no name in no song and never will you can't pull up a song even with that what you talking about I ain't never I don't know him you ain't really say no name specifically I don't know him yeah so if something happened to him I don't know him yeah now you ain't never say no names it's just the aura behind it it just you know people the fans come with it I'm the biggest I'm like I'm the largest from now that's one thing you kept saying you kept telling niggas like man go inside your house look at your siblings you just basically telling me like I'm on some old shit bro I ain't with it I ain't with that street shit.
35:38I'm trying to get a honey me. So you feel like a target, though, with you being like, you know what I'm saying? I'm the largest from the... Yeah. Who else they going to go with? You're just a cloud opportunity waiting to happen for a lot of those people. Who else they going to go with? And even if they don't got a real beef with you, it's like, well, shit, we better find out. We got to make one. Who else they going to go with? But it ain't been never a situation where you try to help the niggas, and then I guess they wasn't receptive of the help, or you ain't never really looked their way. I don't know him, but yeah, of course, like, just life and people around me for sure.
36:13Hell yeah. That's life. Because I asked bro, I seen it, because I know y 'all, I guess, Gigi or whatever, I thought the Gigi chain was the same thing, but that ain't the same. Is what? I know y 'all be claiming Gigi or some shit, but he got a chain called Gigi, but he said that ain't the same thing. Yeah, that's him. That's Glitch God. All right, so put me down. What that mean? It was Gorilla Ground, right? And that's what showed Gigi? Yeah. I know there's my regular label but I switched it to clover boys Amazing Oh, he from making sure It's a word man. How long you guys been tapping by what? For sure Okay, I just turned into a real relationship from there shit crazy damn see that Hey, that's the value of doing a feature is that you might just make a friend that actually works in the long run.
37:09Yeah. That's what a lot of rappers are kind of counting on when they do the feature. That's what you were saying, that they get kind of salty when it doesn't turn into anything. Facts. Yeah. I was just with the GGGs in Toronto, which is Go Get Em Gang. Go Get Em Gang? It's a little aggressive, right? Damn! GGG. GGG. Shout out to them boys. Yeah, they're awesome. Crazy shit. Yeah. But so did you ever make contact with YBN Namir at any point? Or was he out of there before you started rapping? What do you mean out of there? Well, he's from Alabama too, right? Oh, yeah. He been gone. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
37:46He did. So he blew up quick. Like he was one of the niggas went overnight with it. Yeah. Like you know, it don't happen like that no more. Right. Like that was the first time I seen. SoundCloud era. Yeah. Just go. Like, and that shit was motivation too, for real, for real. but I didn't know he was from Birmingham. Straight up. But you were young, so did that motivate you at all? Nah, because I wasn't repping. Okay. It was just hard. When I found out he was from Birmingham, I'm like, damn. That was kind of motivation, but not as far as like repping. So I guess in Birmingham, they didn't really look at him as a Birmingham or Alabama nigga because I guess when his motion kind of went so fast and he moved to California, that was kind of giving him the count.
38:24Man, you know how people do you. Yeah. You know how people do you. But even you, you said you was a young nigga. You was just looking at him from being from Cali, though. you wasn't really just claiming y 'all wasn't really claiming him like that right I mean I wouldn't say claiming I don't know like I really don't know let me think what year that was 2017 it was like right in the middle of all that sound class shit that nigga had the hottest shit people forget that it was like Tay-K went crazy but Tay-K got locked up by the time we all heard of him and then all of a sudden it's like oh you got this new kid he got like a banging ass song and he kind of similar to Tay-K like style-wise, image-wise or whatever.
39:02So I feel like that's kind of like what blew him up at that moment. I ain't gonna lie, they probably weren't claiming him. Because I don't really remember like, I just remember him going up and people being blowed that he was from Birmingham. Bro, that's just a crazy city. It's like I love my city but it's like, it's a love-hate thing, bro. It's love there but it's hate there too, you know. So, with anybody that go up, they gon' handle you. if that ain't a part of it that's anywhere bro like everybody don't fuck with you from where you from do it I don't even know anyone from where I'm from anymore because I've been gone for like 20 years you know what I'm saying they hate that they hate anybody that makes something about themselves and you are nothing or nobody you got hating bones you ain't gonna like it definitely but so alright people give YBN Amir a hard time because he was a GD in high school I guess and then he moves out moves to Long Beach ends up basically joining a Crip set out here.
40:01And a lot of people give him a hard time about that, but from my perspective, it's kind of like, shit, if you've been out here banging with the same dudes for all these years. They don't do that no more, man. That shit's old. What, there's a combo deal? I don't.
40:19He can help you. He can align you with the guy and shit. I don't really know. I don't know. It used to be 8-bile, though. Yeah, they used to do that. Like, Crippin' GD. Yeah, they used to do that. But you were saying he switched. He switched it up completely. And people were giving him a hard time on this live one time about that switch. And he said, put-ons happen. Put-offs happen. And, like, a lot of people were just kind of taken aback by that because that was just like, I don't know. I guess it's kind of weird as a rapper to acknowledge that you got put off of one gang so you could get put on another one.
40:53But at the same time. They asked him, they was like, oh, so how you flip from GD to BD? I mean, the grip. And he said, it happened. Yeah. What do you mean it happened? Yeah. I seen it. But, okay, say you moved out here and you were just hanging out with all Crips for five, six years. Is that kosher to be like, all right, I'm just going to kind of acknowledge that this is who I'm with now on a completely different side of the country? For me, yeah. But I ain't banging right now. So I can fuck who I want to fuck with. So that's what makes it different. Like Right What I say is My input on that I don't I don't I don't condone in that Like just switching games But who am I Shit He is our man That what he wanted to do That's on him But hey Where I'm from You can't do that shit You get your ass cute You come from like A hood at Bang though Or something Hell yeah You just chose not to You know Stayed out of that Cause it been hectic Like where I was from Like nigga been bumping down Hey where you from Sean like You feel me?
41:54What you kind of, man, I ain't with all that. How you was able to get up out of it, like, you know, having a... I'm with familiar faces, like, I'm with originals, like, from the hood. Like, I got my partner right here who on that. I got, you know what I'm saying? When I was younger, like, I got a nigga who older than me on that with a Glock on him, like, nigga went just dry. I always move a militant, like, even when I was walking, like, no, no lie, like, somebody had a gun, if I didn't, and I had one early too, So, you know what I'm saying? Like, even when I was young and didn't have a gun, somebody around had a gun or knew their knowledge.
42:27Like, that's just how I always move. That's what's up, though. You feel like people, like, saw that you had this musical talent and motivation from early on, so they kind of, if anything, maybe tried to steer you away from bad shit? Say it again. Like, in terms of people locally, like, did they identify that you had talent early on and maybe kind of want to keep you away from the streets, if anything, because they realized how much potential you had? Nah. Nah, I'm never trying to. They got mad when I got, like, bro, I used to be on the block every day when I first blew up. Like, nigga, with the views and all that, I was still in the hood every day.
43:02And then when I had cheering, it's like I couldn't be on the block no more. Like, I realized, like, man, I got kids. Like, fuck this block. Like, I'm going to go get some money and go home to my kids. Like, some of my niggas was stuck, though. You know what I'm saying? Like, they ain't get it. Even when they had cheering, they still on the block. What up? So people kind of, I feel like people don't feel the same. They don't look at me the same because I was just right here. I was just reachable. I was just in their face every day. Right. And now I'm gone. Like you said, I ain't been there in a minute.
43:26So shit probably changed. Mo shit probably changed. Who gives a fuck? I better my life. How many kids you got now? Three. Three. And one baby mama or a couple? Two. Okay. And how old were you when you had your first kid? Twenty. Okay. One. Did that totally change your mind state in terms of what you were doing with your time and everything? I stopped playing. Yeah. Soon you came. I ain't played no more. I wasn't sitting nowhere for too long. I looked at everything different. I got to get home to bro. I got to get home to my baby. That was my goal every night. No matter what I was doing, trapping, rapping, anything, I had to get home to bro.
44:10No, yeah, 100%. Everything just becomes a totally different calculation in your mind. Yeah, a different perspective. Like he was just asking me about all that other shit. I don't care about that. People making songs He ain't the only nigga ditching me I wish him the best Straight up I'm just at that point in life Like I'm so up here Like with peace Yeah Real talk I just talked to the mayor the other day Like nigga I'm on the phone with the mayor Yeah Niggas can't do that You know what I'm saying But you be feeling worried When niggas be bringing your baby mom And shit into it though No I don't Oh alright What else can you say about me Yeah Nothing You gotta talk about another human being To get at me It ain't no dirt on my name, brother.
44:51So you just charged us to the game. Come on, man. I ain't grow up with my baby mama. Now, one funny thing you did say. I ain't grow up with my baby mama. Now, one funny thing you did say was like, nigga, I only had chlamydia. Like, I guess I'm going to lie. He owns a mid-day shit. You trick me, man. Hey, you're set up. I didn't even say it on the line. Because I guess you was talking to the veto, because I do my homework. I'm watching the interviews. And I don't know what's up. I guess you kept trying to bring your baby mama into the shit. How you feel when niggas is doing all that shit? because you know, small time, everybody know everybody.
45:20It get to me, but at the same time, like I said, now it got to me then, I don't really give a fuck. Yeah, you kind of just, you know. I'm clear here. I realized that, brother, like that time I took off, that's when I locked in on myself and realized this was going to come with this. And if I want to do this, I'm going to go through this and I'm going to have to do this. So, I mean, having a baby mama that's outside or whatever is definitely like, Like you don't realize how much of a risk it is or whatever until it's kind of in your face. Cause like, I could think of like, there's a couple of different chief keep baby mamas that are running out around out here.
45:54Just having some cloud off of being chief keeps baby mama. And they're just total sewer dwellers. Like no shots, no shots. I fuck with them. But I mean, I'm just saying like, it's like the last chick that you would want running around, like basically like claiming you. and even though he probably ain't had nothing to do with him in a long time it's still like they're able to just be out here kind of that's like the ultimate clout chase for a chick you know this episode is brought to you by chat gpt hey it's bill simmons from the bill simmons podcast have you guys heard about chat gpt work it's the new way to use chat gpt for bigger multi-step projects and when you need more than just answers give chat gpt work access to your apps and files and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports.
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47:21But, yeah, you got to be careful with the baby mamas these days. Or what about the memes that people still are pumping out about Dirk? Because his first baby mama from back in the day was, see what I'm saying? You know, it's just, it's become weighted, brother. Yeah. And they're undefeated, man. So you said you switched the label up. You got Clover Gang as a label. Clover Boys. Clover Boys. I never had a gang in my Clover. So Clover Boys. In neither one of my labels. So what artists you pushing? Never been a gang. And what's the main artist on Clover Boys right now? I'm pushing a lot of artists.
47:51It's Go Vote for One. All right. Jug, Fat Boy, Wholesale, Luwak, Jay Shouted, Rico, PSY Rico, PSI Promo. There's a lot of niggas that ain't even Clover who I'm pushing. so he ain't about that. He said a lot of people need to get in tune to the original show. I used to the list goes on. You feel like Alabama slept on, generally speaking? For sure. This is a big opportunity you think to like be able to kind of spread a lot of these artists and sort of create a movement coming out of there? Yeah. Definitely. What do you think going to change the narrative though to get more people talking about Alabama or you know getting y 'all in more light?
48:30Niggas got to come together.
48:34and that's what niggas don't want to do. That's what I'm saying. You think it's even possible because it seems like niggas... It's possible. It just gotta be the niggas who lead that's on one accord and not have no loose screws around. So y 'all, it's still OGs out there because you know, Chicago and other cities and shit, they ain't really know. It's like renegades. It's renegade in Birmingham. Word. But y 'all got a little structure where like some people can make shit happen and probably get niggas together though? Yeah, yeah. for sure that'd be good for the city you know see everybody come together and make some music and shit I know but you're laughing like it ain't happening I wish I hope it do I ain't saying it ain't happening it's just funny like but you with it though you'll be you'll do the music with everybody not everybody but yeah but some people yeah I mean you're kind of up there so you gotta like work with people that are on your level I don't stress people yeah and there's that too you give them a shot the back door always open in this shit have you seen that throughout your life where it's like the the the back door type shit just seems like it's become way more common i feel like that's a result of like a situation where people ain't really have shit so they got to come up with like more devious evil ways to get something out of somebody and that's basically like winning over their trust long term as opposed to just you know walking down on a random person it's definitely like that now it's more like that and I don't know why.
49:57How important is it for you to bring your people with you? Because I see you got all your people out in the lobby. It's not important at all. You don't got to. Because at the end of the day, I ain't like... You can be real as fuck. You ain't going to get shit for being real. It's just something I do because that's just what God put on my heart. But it's not important at all. You ain't got to bring... You ain't got to do shit for us. especially if ain't nobody doing that for you. But if somebody's doing it for you, return the favor, but... it's not important at all. Because at the end of the day, even when you can stop, the day you stop doing something or bringing somebody with you, they'll show you that you're color too.
50:34So, you know, that shit ain't important. What's important is you just taking care of your being and handling your being. What's your relationship with Big X? He cool. You guys just did a couple songs together? I feel the way. Like, he a good-ass dude, like, straight up. And I ain't never spoke down about him because I met him and actually been around him. So he a good dude. Like, I ain't got nothing against him. I just ain't fuck with how he took my shit. What did he take, exactly? The largest. Oh, okay. He ain't the only one. So I ain't, like, just add him or nothing. It's just some shit I had to cope with myself.
51:08So you were saying I'm the largest as, like, a sort of catchphrase at a certain point, and then he started running with that, too? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. Interesting. Well, I didn't even know. He a good dude, though. I ain't got nothing against him. I fuck with him as a person. Yeah. I just ain't like that. I'm just a nigga who stand on principles and morals. I wouldn't take nothing from him. You know what I'm saying? Did y 'all ever have words like, yo, what's up? Nah, I had said something about it on my story, and he replied to it. What was his reply? He probably didn't think he took it. Nah, he definitely knew he took it.
51:39What did he say? He said, you just started something, that's all. All right, so he kind of acknowledged. He acknowledged you on it, though. Yeah, but it wasn't public. So shit like that made me look at shit a certain way, but I don't give a fuck. But also, like, if we're talking about the largest, it sounds like there can only be one largest. So it's kind of like a weird claim to fame to be sharing with someone. So I could understand how you would take it away. For sure. Interesting. People ever be thinking you're from Texas? Because when I'm listening to your top songs on Apple Music this morning and I'm like, it's got Mexican OTs, got big X in there.
52:15And I had to, like, check myself for a second. Like, wait, he's not from Texas. Right. I double check. But, I mean, is that like a scene that has been kind of important in terms of your come up and everything? Yeah, that was like one of the first cities I hit, Dallas. I did a lot of work in Dallas. I got a lot of love in Dallas. And I didn't do Dallas, Texas, period. A lot of people think I'm from Texas, but I'm from Belmont. Definitely. Do you guys claim Gucci Mane fully? Like, does he belong in the Atlanta Hall of Fame or the Alabama Hall of Fame? I feel like Gucci can say he's from Atlanta.
52:51Yeah. He just, he from all he was born. I don't know. I don't really know the history, but I know for sure, like, he used to be in Beltsman and shit. But I don't know. He definitely can say he's from Atlanta because that's where he did his footwork. Yeah, that's where he, like, really made a mark for himself. But that's kind of the question is, like, if you live in one place until you're 18 and then you take off and make it somewhere else. It's kind of like, you know, especially someone like him. We've got like 20 years plus of being kind of thought of in that world. I don't know. I feel like he can, I feel like Atlanta and Alabama claim him.
53:29Definitely. What's the hardest part about being a rapper nowadays? What's the hardest part to you? The question shit you ask, nigga. Nah, but for real, just life, bro. Like just not being that be normal shit here. everything frontline. Like, you know my business type shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, shit like that. That's it. It'll make you be mindful of what you put out there? Because, like, even the questions I ask, I want to know if y 'all niggas wasn't putting it out there. Exactly. Exactly. That's why I said that. I ain't mad at you or nothing. I'm just saying. It's definitely a learning thing.
53:59Yeah. Because that's why I said I'm not even on that no more. I fell under the trap that I gave them what they wanted. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Just like you said, you wouldn't even know I said that. That's what I'm saying? So, I'm just different. You still plan on being an actor? Hell yeah I wanna get in that shit ASAP I'm serious bro I wanna do everything They wanna do different shit Like you down to go try out I'm down What if they told you That you needed to lose weight I'm gonna lose weight You're working on it anyway Why exactly Do you feel like from a health perspective or you just think of my show?
54:40But I was like, damn, I got this for all just being Big A vote. I'm just reincarnating myself. Right. I ain't going to lay on no table or nothing. It's going to take me longer. You know what I'm saying? You're not going to get a break out. I don't know about that. I'm going to stay out of that. I ain't going to finish a shortcut. I'm going to go to the gym. You know what I'm saying? Put that work in. That's it. I mean, but does it seem important because of the health aspect of it because i mean like i can't help but think i just did an interview with uh chris gotty and his brother irv gotty he passed away uh like six months ago and he really it was kind of mostly because he had bad eating habits like even though he had a personal chef and a personal trainer he was still fucking around like i guess like even when he passed it's because he just went out to eat with a bunch of people they ate a shitload of chinese food and then it gave him like a diabetic like a spike or whatever and they kind of he just went into like a coma and didn't come out of it See?
55:37Yeah, that's why. Because when you're young, you can eat whatever the fuck you want. It probably don't matter. But as you get older, it just becomes more and more of a hazard. Exactly. That's why I'm getting on it now. Because when I go to the gym, I see a lot of old people trying to get in now. It's too late. You know what I'm saying? It's too late. That's why I'm trying to go and get on it now. I want to be able to have my kid when I turn 40, still be loose moving around. I ain't trying to be so getting up. I heard no. Trying to go and get on that now while I'm young. You know what I'm saying?
56:03Definitely. um what's it like i mean i don't know how much i should believe when i'm watching these youtube videos but if i were to believe them it basically says that you've lost a lot of people and that some of these situations are kind of the result of your rap fame that like different situations conflicts beefs kind of arise from just your success do you ever feel like kind of conflicted about the fact that you experiencing all the success might create situations that are negative for other people in your life? No, I don't feel a way. I feel like everything has for a reason. It's just life, bro.
56:39You know what I'm saying? That's why I had to get right with myself, lock in with myself, and realize it's just what it come with. You know what I'm saying? You can't let other situations impact how you feel or how your day go because you know you ain't have no control over it, which I didn't. You don't make me feel no type of way. But I just miss them. Miss the people I lost behind bars. I lost to a grave. That's why I just made a song, like, opening up, like, just bringing them in, like, letting them know what a nigga going through instead of sugarcoating. You know, because shit, like, real.
57:15Like, I ain't nothing to hide. It is what it is. Yeah, a lot of people don't really want to show the world the pain that they're going through because the people that they don't get along with are obviously going to kind of revel in that. So it's kind of, that's crazy when you see somebody lose somebody and you can tell that they don't even feel comfortable grieving publicly because they don't want it to be used against them. Thanks. Okay, so what do you got planned as far as future stuff? Are you like fully focused on the music right now? Are you even out here doing interviews because you're like planning on dropping something in the near future?
57:51I'm just, I'm just floating, bro. Real talk, like in life. Like, I ain't going to say I'm fully loaded in this shit because I'm real on some more shit. But I'm back, like, as far as, like, just doing, like, this shit. Me in here talking, interviews, just doing the music side shit. But I don't give a fuck, bro. I really don't. What's the motivation nowadays? The money, the bills, where I came from. That's about it. Speaking of where you came from, who would you put on the Mount Rushmore of Alabama rap? no be Cal Rallo me solid solid for I fuck with it um okay anything else that we should keep an eye out for or what you got going on you hit a billion streams on Apple music all time that's a crazy number that's crazy you hear shit like that that's just and motivate you like, nigga, I gotta get back in the studio.
58:57Facts. But I don't care. Yeah. Like, that shit be, like, it'll probably blow you. Probably don't believe me. I really don't, though. Like, I swear to God, I don't. So the most success you've ever experienced, it still doesn't really... You never had a moment where you, like, fully felt like you celebrated your success? It's just always back to the grind. Why do you think you can't sit down and enjoy your success and enjoy what you've been doing right now? Or care? I don't feel like I made it. Scheduled straight up. So what is making it to you? Honey, me. Shit, Travis Scott just gave everybody on his table a Lamborghini.
59:38Yeah. Slightly appreciated for the future. He going lamb. He made it. Mosh pit. 7 ,000, 70 ,000 people and shit. That's making it. That's real. Come on, man. I ain't did shit yet. there's always more to go well okay but by the time you reach the end of your career when you're you know 60 70 years old like if you are only no like do you feel like if you're mostly like known as a hometown hero as a local star is that gonna be enough for you or do you feel like you need to take it to more of like a national level in terms of your popularity no i don't care i just want the money brother straight up that's what i'm focused on right now flipping this shit because I know this shit will slow down.
1:00:24I know this shit watered down. I know it's fake. And I really don't like it, bro. Like, it bring too much. Just like everything you, like, y 'all be talking about this shit, like, it just bring too much unnecessary attention. Like, and a nigga really not doing none of this. Real talk. Like, shit be on the nigga name. Nigga ain't, like, nigga probably argue or something, but it just come with too much, bro. I'd rather the next nigga blow up. But do you think that that stress kind of takes the fun out of making music for you or do you still Are you still able to kind of put that stuff aside and just enjoy the process?
1:01:06What you mean like the process of just making music? I mean I enjoy the process of making the music yeah for sure with Like it be back to normal you get on saying like say I do a show is back to normal after the show right? Say I got damn do a video. It's back to normal after the video. Which normal is great. Like, I'm blessed for my normal. I still have fun and I be lit. Yeah, I'm about to say, what's normal for you, nigga? I see your crib. I'm like, this nigga's selling highs in my life. Yeah, I still be lit, but it's normal. Like, I don't do shit, bro. I be chilling, like, with my chin on the game.
1:01:37Like, it's normal shit. Like, I'm not no, I don't get up every day, put on a whole outfit and all my jewelry and go about my day and just have fun all day. That's not how I live my life. I wake up, go to the gym. you feel me goddamn be with my kids go to the pool play my game like I live a regular life bro yeah I mean that's normal like I not and I it's really cause I done got so okay with being alone I feel like like I don't really care for it like I really can just sit at my home all day and be with my kids nah it's a crazy feeling when you like are at a meet and greet or a show or a whatever and like you got a hundred people a thousand people around you just hounding you they want your attention so bad and it just you feel like oh my god like i'm a fucking superstar and then you just go home and you're just playing with your kid you're playing with legos and you're just like i just went from like this moment of like pure just ego fueling and then i just leave that i'm just back to being like the most normal person on earth that's kind of always like a a weird like thing to have these two things coexisting that's what You made me know I didn't give a fuck about it because I love getting done.
1:02:50Like, I love finishing the show, wiping my sweat off, sitting down, taking a deep breath, knowing that I'm done for the night. I love finishing my last song in the studio, knowing I'm done for the night. I love having a meet and greet, me and everybody, knowing I'm done for the night. You know what I'm saying? Like, I love wrapping up the music side and going to just being a regular person. That's my piece. I feel like the opposite of that is the dudes who basically like start getting fucked up, doing drugs all the time and shit because they want to keep chasing that high. You know, if you can do that through the show and then just go back to your normal life.
1:03:28I mean, I feel like that's a beautiful thing because that's where dudes, by the time they're in their 40s and shit, dudes always kind of figure that out. But most people's rap careers aren't necessarily long enough to like see that. But it's definitely an important skill, I think, for sure. Gotta be level-headed in this shit. a lot of people try to live somebody else's life too true trying to be something that they're not you trying to live like little baby young boy and shit y 'all ain't on that level now you broke destined to be stressful you got all these high ass bills you paying for all these car notes and shit you can't fool me up I'm gonna sit back chill at home and be myself I ain't trying to facet with nobody you see me bro chilling no jury I'm on no jump this shit finna be on everywhere give a fuck about this shit we already met bro you know what I'm saying I know you can get icy no I can get ice shout out to Remo shout out Big Yeva everybody go turn him up on all streaming services follow my mans on Instagram etc so you can stay tapped in with the movement should we should we go to Alabama you still stay out there or like in the rough area or nah You took off.
1:04:39I'm staying in Dallas. Ah, okay, okay. That's why we think you're a Texas artist sometimes, too. I'm being in Dallas every second. Definitely. Dallas and Dallas. Dallas and my Swiss. I love Dallas. Gotta love Dallas. Gotta love Dallas. All right, man. Big Gavo. Appreciate you, bro. For having me, brother. Much love. Much love. No jumper. Coolest podcast. Like, comment, and subscribe. Oh, yeah. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers, give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports.
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