Bozo on Lefty vs Drake, Foo Community Beef Explodes, Norteños in LA & More

0:00Legally, we can't say drinking Storm makes you smarter and more focused. But with zero sugar, 200 milligrams of caffeine, and immunity support, you're smarter and more focused for drinking Storm. Storm. Good energy in, good energy out. Energy for life. What's going on? No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. We're back with Bozo. How you living, man? Amazing. Blessed, thank God. Yeah? Yes, sir. What's going on in your life? Um, shit. I feel like I'm transitioning, you know? For real? Kind of over the rap shit. You're over it? Yeah. I was thinking about that because at one point, I mean, you're signing the OTR.

0:35You seem like you're going all in on it. Well, you know how it is. If there's a bag, you go get it, you know? Yeah, yeah. So I can't miss out an opportunity. That's what we work for. But I mean, I just feel like I'm outgrowing the shit, you know? Really? I feel like, like, you know, okay, the best way I can put it to you is like this. Like, let's say we go do a show, right? And I'm in the green room. I'm the oldest guy there, dog all the homies there are young i really can't relate with them as far as like principles and standards you feel what i'm saying they're just different and i don't want to be that og in the room always preaching to a bunch of you know what i'm saying right because what tends to happen is it falls on death ears yeah and then you end up feeling some type of way when people don't take your wisdom that's that's like because one thing that i noticed about younger dudes is that they always think that there's an alternative how do you say it alternative motive for what you're saying so you give them some advice and then they think that you're actually trying to put them in a position where you can make money off them yeah they go do the complete opposite thinking that i'm just like on some industry shit you know right and that's the first thing i tell all the homies like younger homies or people that are coming into the business at the beginning i'm like look dog i'm on like i'm good financially you know like i don't i'm not doing nothing that i'm doing because i want a percentage or because benji's right um or because i want to you know i want to profit off of it you feel me like i'm just giving you the game that that i've learned thus far and how i was taught to do things like you hand down the jewels you hand down the opportunities you feel i'm saying so um but everybody's always it is understandable though right because a lot of snakes in this right and you tend to see in the game when you're in the game like it's always it's always the same flock of vultures hovering around you know i mean the the the the landscape might change but the characters that are behind the scenes are always the same guys opportunists you know right and i know all these dudes already because i've been there done that you know so i'll sit with a younger guy and i'll be like avoid him him him him i leave next day he's with him him you know what i'm saying so then i know the conversation after we had it was like oh bulls are just hating or or or oh that fool's older fool he'd be on some high power shit and it's like yeah i don't know how high power shit i'm just about my bread you never met benji what's up man this is your favorite rapper lefty gunplay's original producer right Oh, okay.

3:17He's in your favorite rapper. He is the one that mined that diamond. Wow. You know what I'm saying? I can only imagine what you've seen. When he got out of prison. Oh, you don't know what he's seen. You've probably seen some shit. It's like you're a war vet. I can only imagine. That's what I thought Lefty was going to do. What? Was like just start streaming. You know what I'm saying? Because his life is so way out. You know what I mean? Yeah. but if i i've kind of learned that from observing this though is that it's like if you live a truly chaotic life meaning you're fighting you're beefing you've got different girls around with you every other day etc and then you choose to be a streamer and like really put that shit out there to the world it just like a lot of times doesn't really work out that good because that lifestyle kind of needs to be kept on the low.

4:15It don't really need thousands of people. Exposing too much, yeah, yeah. You know, and especially with somebody like Lefty, like he's been pretty open about it with the fact that he was, you know, smoking meth or whatever the f*** that s*** is. And that s*** in particular is like you are advertising where you are at all times and everybody who knows what's going on can kind of tell that you probably have something like that on you. I mean, like Blueface has been swatted a bunch of times. I just watched a video of him getting like put down and laying down on his belly in the middle of the street in a nice suburban neighborhood because they swatted him and called in a kidnapping or some shit like that.

4:51Yeah, streaming something else. You know what I mean? What do you think about streaming? I mean, I think it's dope. As far as like, no, but listen though. As far as like the window for it, you know, I feel like it's a small window, almost like a cash grab. okay there's different like levels of engagement meaning like we all know people who got like a million instagram followers and they might get like you know some pretty like decent views on their reels and shit like that but it's so easy to watch a reel right like that like i i follow you on instagram and if you post something i'm probably gonna see it or or double tap it or leave comment whatever streaming is a different thing i'm gonna be real if you start streaming realistically that's i'm that's such like a singular thing to sit down and watch a stream like i with you but i'm probably not gonna watch you on stream i'm gonna say way too you know and like say yeah you you follow probably like a thousand people on on instagram you're not gonna go watch almost any of them stream like to to watch somebody on stream is the most hardcore level of fandom yeah because you can really only do it at once like when you're flicking through tiktok you might see 20 things in a row before you go put your phone down you might see a hundred things in a row but like to really like like it really is just so crazy when you think about somebody like kai sanat having a couple hundred thousand people really locking in and watching him on stream like at any given time um so i say all that to say everybody kind of wants to stream but streaming is the most competitive most difficult thing and i don't think it's for everybody and i think a lot of people would be better off trying to like make dope short form content or make dope 10 minute youtube videos or find a way to like do something that's a little bit different as much as people don't like flaco flaco kind of mastered the 10 15 minute like news news report video commentate on a podcast clip type video you know yeah so he's like the one dude out of the nojumber universe that kind of took the nojumber fan base and was like all right I'm going to make this other kind of content that is kind of like what academics used to do.

7:02Academics used to do the five-minute video telling you about a breaking news story and giving you a bunch of information. Flacco kind of figured out how to do it about more stuff and make it a little bit longer and shit. But I think that people need to be a little bit more creative with the type of content that they're going to make because just streaming is tough. With everything. I feel like the minute that somebody comes up with a new idea, Like, it's just a bunch of people waiting to copy it. You know what I'm saying? Right. Without really like an approach to it or even like you said, an idea of how to like advance it forward.

7:37You know what I'm saying? Or make something different. I feel like in our culture, dog, the copy and paste shit is ridiculous. I feel like Rasa don't got no creativity, bro. Do you feel like that about like the music or the podcast scene? or i feel like the podcast scene i feel like the movie shit i feel like the streaming shit and obviously the rap too man to a certain extent you know i'm saying yeah um i feel like the the younger homies that are rapping right now they got a different delivery and sound right but i feel like um i don't know man nobody wants to like like like take a risk you know i'm saying yeah nobody wants to be on some kanye shit and just not give a let their spirit speak you know i mean I mean Benji wants to Benji be trying to hit me with cumbia beats in the studio and shit and I'm like whoa I'm not ready but I get it though you feel me but then okay so we've had like 10 years now of like most LA rap black or Mexican basically being like Draco pain by numbers and some people are way different but pretty similar realistically there's just so many artists that are basically doing a Draco thing and then and you know phoenix flexing is kind of like of that lineage because like with shoreline i think you definitely see like the draco influence even early on they were around him and shit but like then phoenix flexing comes out and does this weird ass ai fake british accent 80s song and it's like the biggest song that has come from like la street rapper in so long and i feel like the lesson that everybody needs to learn from that on an la street level is bro you need to get weird.

9:21You need to do some different shit. You gotta like really like not be scared to do some different shit. Because if you just keep making the same basic ass shit, nobody is gonna pay attention. This shit is all about getting people's attention. Yeah, facts. You know? So. Videos at least, you know what I mean? Some cool videos. I feel like, like I said, I started off with Lefty. Lefty had a guy out of prison when he met me and shit. And we started this whole wave and everything. So I sense like Me and Lefty I feel like a lot of Latino rappers Been coming out The new wave Is like a lot of These kids are like Before it was a lot Of black kids I feel like But now I feel like We open a door For like a lot of Latino rappers now So now the new wave Like all these new rappers I see coming Are all like Mexican kids and shit Latino kids You know what I mean And they don't sound As Chicano as they did Back when he was like You know in his day And shit I think it's got A little bit more Swagged up now You know what I mean But to an extent I think shit's changed But as far as hip hop Though we're still late you feel what i'm saying you say you're late we're late yeah we're late to the party like we're we're just you know we're we're fans that try to turn into um artists you know i'm saying and then we're not artists trying to make fans you feel what i'm saying right it's like i i know artists and real artists that that that are true to their their artistic form like they really don't even give a if anybody likes their shit or not you know i'm saying and and right now everybody's worried about that being liked you know that's that's the most important thing like i tell people all the time go look at post malone's first video you know what i'm saying weird as shit you know i mean but look at him now right you know i mean he's doing his shit you know so yeah the the art form is like yeah we're in quicksand you know i mean it's a weird situation where like in la if you go to any given rap show realistically it's probably majority mexican fans yeah for sure But then meanwhile, you haven't really had like a national Mexican rapper from L.A.

11:12really break out of L.A. Like even the biggest names really like you can't even put them like side by side with the biggest black rappers out of L.A. With some notable, you know, people who have like obviously done their thing and everything. But it's just still it feels like it's just harder to make the audience really want to latch on to a Mexican rapper. and you wonder like who's going to be the one to like really fully 100 % break through. I don't think it's ever going to happen. You don't think? No. I think that the racial divide is too much of an issue, you know? Like I feel like every culture wants their, every culture has this mentality like they want their guy on.

11:56Does it make sense? It's like generations when you have the conversation, who's better, Kobe or MJ? Right. You know, people want their guy to shine. So it's more marginal now. Like, I feel like everybody's rooting for hometown heroes. Like, who's the biggest rapper out right now? Well, yeah, that's the problem is that there's so few megastars now at this point. And even the ones who are like kind of megastars, like an NBA Youngboy or a Playboy Cardi. I mean, I'm going to go out on a limb and say you probably do not know a Playboy Cardi or an NBA Youngboy song. you know it's like but those are like the biggest rappers that you can name from the current generation yeah which is just so different than like in 1995 it was just like you could be a rap fan who did not give a about biggie and tupac and jay-z etc and i'm sorry you just you had to know the songs because like what the else are you listening to like you listen to the radio you watch mtv it's like you just knew all the same artists and now like so many people crawl off into their own little category.

13:01The industry's in the same place. They don't really know which way, what direction they're going. I said give it 10 years. I said give it 10 years. Like I said, this whole Latino wave just started. In 2016, 17, Cardi and the Playboy, you know, Uzi and all them that was that wave and the Mexican-Latino wave was not here. So give this shit 10 more years and I promise, like, these right now are spawning out like crazy. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. All right, give it 10 years and shit, we'll see where all they're at. But I feel like it can't happen. It's all about... I feel like right now, it's like it just needs to be the dude like it just needs to be like the one special chosen dude who can just be a superstar like when you look at drake and it's like there was a thousand rappers who tried to make it from toronto as rappers before him right and then he just like was the one he's just like he's a crazy rapper he's a good singer he's a good looking guy the people like him he's charming whatever like he was just the one yeah and it's like i feel like that's just what is gonna have to happen to have like a la mexican kid just like you're gonna have to come back dude you know it's tough yeah it is tough because like i you know i'm an artist so i see i read comments and i read you know i see bloggers and everything and i just feel like the music is so divided you know when hip-hop was hip-hop i feel like everybody was on hip-hop you know i mean right and and that was a community now like social media has has divided everybody even in hip-hop like okay if if there was a drake of the la rasa rap scene it's like would would the the the climate even allow him to be great that's what i'm saying or would they bog him down with controversies and bullshit and whatever to the point where if this dude really was that great musically like maybe he just wouldn't be like able to express it or have it taken in that way by the fans.

14:59He won't be Mexican enough he won't be American enough. He won't be gangster. Then is he gangster enough is he not. Yeah. Like the best thing the favorite thing for Hispanic people to do is criticize each other. That's even at house parties bro. You could be in a backyard boogie with your closest relatives and they're talking about each other. That's just in our nature who the fuck we are. Look at what Canelo said about Ryan Garcia. He said some real shit. Do you hear what he said? I don't know. They asked him something regarding Ryan Garcia and Canelo's response was like, he's not Mexican, he's American.

15:32And it's a big issue, but why is it an issue? It's true. Ryan was born here. Right. He don't even know Spanish. Right. So how the fuck is he a Mexican boxer? That's like two different definitions of Mexican. Obviously, a person who was born and raised in Mexico thinks differently of a guy who spent his whole life in America, but then in America, if you are a Mexican dude, you're a Mexican dude. We don't give a shit if you were born here or not. But to the culture, it matters. To them especially. It's just different standards. Everybody has to have every box on the list checked out, and that to me is ridiculous.

16:10But I mean, being able to survive and navigate all those pitfalls is kind of like the additional skill set that you need to have if you really want to be like a big artist you know it's like you can't just be good at the music side of things you also need to know what interviews to do what not to say in interviews you know like we just saw jack harlow who's like a huge superstar whatever yeah he had his whole album roll out derailed because he said one thing in interview where he said i got blacker about his music because he because he did like neo soul instead of rap he said i got blacker boom you know that was the whole thing the whole album got overshadowed by him saying that one thing that's up and that's a superstar realistically yeah but that's what this phone did yeah you know when i first started touring back back in days when i was young with caponi i would get out right jump out and want to meet the fans of supporters you know and be in the mix and i would notice that he would never do that shit that fool would never mingle that fool would stay in the green room or in the limo whatever the limos back in the days you know or whatever you know i'm saying and then i would ask him like a fool like how come you don't come out he'll be like that's part of being a star bro you got to be elusive you know i'm saying like you got to be a surprise like when when you step in the room it has to come as a as a shock to people you know i'm saying like the friendlier you are the more exposure people get to you the more human you become right and people don't want to glorify human beings you know i'm saying so that i just think this phone shit is like backfiring everybody the minute we fall in love with the artist we destroy him the next month but like the real greats are able to just like endure the controversies like you know somebody like an NBA younger or a playbook card that I just named I mean absolutely crazy legal situations you know accusations of hitting girls for both of them you know and it just didn't really if the fans like them it just doesn't matter it doesn't matter yeah you might not be able to get like an apple deal or whatever but like you know you can still have a huge fan base so you just have to like kind of I don't know it's like as much as like people get canceled more now it does feel like if you have that real hardcore fan base it just doesn't matter yeah yeah but that's but but it does close tons of doors for you hell yeah yeah it closes branding for sure you know i'm saying so meaning like if you don't grow with your audience then you know i mean it's a short career you know i'm saying but do you think that the next like do you think that the gangbanging shit and the way that it exists now holds back artists from being able to like be big though or do you think that that shit is like that's just required that's how it is and it doesn't matter that it's required i see i see that i see that for for us my community yes for other communities maybe not like i said it's just it's just a different perspective that people view their artists with in our community you know i'm saying why i don't know right you know what i mean it's like they don't give a about the dodgers displacing a gang of you know immigrants early in the day but then they're hollering this and that about mexican pride you know i mean like we're just so contradictory you know i'm saying like we don't have a real foundation dog like we're united in some aspects but in the real shit that matters like financial you know cultural like we're just not you know what i'm saying like like even in politics like you know everything is so divided you know i'm saying like because we have generations that just grow up different you know i'm saying like some grow up super like traditional mexican they they grow up listening to nothing but spanish music all that and then you have other generations like mind that we were just all hip-hop you know i'm saying like we grew up in that era like that was just us like all hip hip-hop was everything you know i'm saying so it's just a lot of divide man and like you see um you see artists from california doing um like real mexican music right blow up bigger than artists that are born here doing american music you get what i'm saying yeah like the jlps fuerza regida look how big they are like They're from San Bernardino Right You know what I mean So I don't know I just think like It's a It's a Trigonometry problem Dog like Too many That's not gangsta rap No I know But what I'm saying is that It's um It's like There's so many different aspects Of what people want You know what I mean Yeah Like I think for us Like if we're rapping The gang shit It's an issue Obviously We don't We don't really gotta question it Gangsta rap You know we see it You know what I mean No matter what You know what I'm saying Especially right now Gangsta rap really So it feels like we've seen its potential.

21:08West Coast gangster rap at that. Atlanta gangster rap is a little different because it's more of a trap sound. You know what I mean? So I feel like the trap sound is more everlasting, low key than the West Coast sound a little bit because I feel like the West Coast sound doesn't get to Europe or this as much as that trap sound does. You know what I mean? But what we're trying to implement with this last album was the trap and the West Coast and put it together. You know what I mean? So that's why I feel like we're hitting that medium right now. Yeah, do some mature shit too. You know what I'm saying?

21:35Talk real shit. you know what i mean talk everyday life shit not not just exaggerating shit like i think if you in my shoes for a day my life is pretty fly you know what i'm saying yeah i don't gotta make up a lot of shit you know but okay that's that's my question i wanted to ask before when we were talking about you not really enjoying the rapper shit as much anymore it's like i so during your teen years you're kind of like figuring out who you are and then i feel like in your 20s is usually when you're in the period of time like especially if you're kind of adjacent to the rap game or whatever that's when you're really doing your thing you're out there you're enjoying it you want to be outside late night etc then all of a sudden your 30s start rolling in and at this point is when you're maybe looking like a little bit more critically at what's going on uh you know what this lifestyle really is whether it's street shit or whether it's rap shit or you know at that point by the time dudes are in their 30s a lot of times they got more than one kid they got a girl that they probably live with or whatever you know and it's like at that point never mind by the time you hit 40 a lot of dudes who are like the the types of dudes who are at the rap show backstage hanging out smoking blunts with everybody or whatever those dudes kind of start tapping out usually by the time you get to 40 where being out all night with the homies just don't really like seem as attractive anymore and i feel like you're kind of getting to that point where it's just like like especially you as a dude like working and then having a family and then also trying to like work an extra job basically which is like being in the studio shooting videos being at shows mingling and being around everybody going to other people's shows just to be on stage and get some FaceTime and shit like that.

23:28I mean, people don't necessarily like give it as much credit as the fact that that you know, 30 hours a week bonus rapper time is, you know, all of a sudden it's like you're working around the clock and you really, usually you have to end up sacrificing like family time and shit like that, you know? Well, that's where I'm at now. It's like I've had my family, my young family sacrifice a lot for me, you know what I'm saying? Dad not being around, you know, well my girl, my girl was never one of them toxic bras that didn't try to get in the way she was always like go you know i'm saying okay and i always you know you appreciate that right as a man because you see so many fools with toxic ass bitches you know i'm saying we've seen that around here a lot right so so when you see that you appreciate it right and then um you figure i've been out now 10 years from prison you know i'm saying and i've been on a strong run like consistently grinding you know i'm saying that with multiple things college school trade school, work, careers, opening up businesses, being an independent artist, getting signed, and then rehabilitating myself, you know what I'm saying?

24:34Like working on myself, you know what I mean? So now it's like, I kind of feel selfish now, making my family just revolve around me. You know, my kids, you know, my daughters are both in Jiu Jitsu now, I take them to Jiu Jitsu like five days out of the week, seven and 11. Okay, two kids? I got four, five, five, I got an oldest one too. and then my son's in soccer you know he's in it so I feel like I don't know man I just feel like I want them to shine now you feel what I'm saying and I want to do my corporate shit you know like I just want to open up businesses dog like I put myself in a position where I saved enough money you know I have enough equity whether in my catalog or in my personal life that now is the time to do some boss ass shit you know what I'm saying of course opportunities are coming and if they're lucrative like I just got offered a role in a um a tv show for hbo you know i'm saying really so yeah so um so i must tap into that see how that goes you know i'm saying and if it's lucrative than it is but if it's one of the things where i gotta be like you said that guy in the back room hanging out and you know the moves they usually do when you're on your grind like i'm not doing nothing yeah i felt like i've been long enough to where i don't gotta try out for shit you know what it is and if you want it then i'm here dude's like when i think about it in the early days of no jumper or even like before no jumper i would leave i would like get backstage at a rap show somehow because i was like hanging out with the right guy and all of a sudden i'm like around the rapper and i'm not talking about like rappers that anybody on earth would give a f*** about right now i'm talking about like you know a 300 person in a warehouse type show i was so geeked yeah to be in that environment around dudes who realistically even then i knew they were not that cool but it was like just to be around the vibe any level of like rapper stardom it is actually really cringe when i think back about some of the you know things i did to just like well the people that we've seen fall off in that process yeah like think i know for a fact you just like me benji we've witnessed people that were so thirsty they played themselves think about how many rappers fell off bro think about how many rappers we could bring up right now that are a joke yeah you know that came out the new scar face in the flesh and now our peons you know i'm saying like yeah you know that's another thing that this phone did too was allow a lot of shit to get exposed you feel i'm saying but you're right though the character isn't in the rooms and now that you're a grown ass man you want character more than fame bro yeah that type of shit matters people's principles you feel i'm saying yeah so it's hard for me to be in a room with anybody and and be engaged and interested you know what I'm saying I find myself more engaged now with the corporate people and business people you know like having conversation with a billionaire to me is so intriguing you know like where'd you start you know what I mean I'm just you know I guess I'm evolving you feel what I'm saying but I embrace it and I'm lucky enough to have done enough things to allow me to have opportunities now like opportunities are a blessing bro I remember seeing that for myself you didn't have the opportunity to do shit do you like come out of jail and you have just like non-stop momentum because you just feel like I'm making up for lost time so I gotta do everything take every possible opportunity and then at some point you kinda realize like shit what do I actually wanna do with my time on earth do I wanna hustle 24 7?

28:00the biggest thing that I'm proud of is that I through this whole process right I grew a family you feel me like I never was that guy to like you know be thirsty over females or or or be late night in the studio getting high and turn like it was always business you know my discipline was always there that's the that's the most important thing that that came out of all this shit like my family's intact not only that like we've grown like my kids are happy my wife is super intelligent she's doing great you feel what i'm saying um economically we're good so the grind did do its thing you feel what i'm saying i'm just not like engaged like i used to be you know what i'm saying and the artists that i want to engage with are just too far from my reach.

28:41You know what I'm saying? Like the artists that I'm listening to and artists that like, like when Lefty got out, he did his shit. No lie. Like he sparked a flame under me, you know? Like he inspired me. Like that wave that we had a couple of years ago, like really like made me feel some type of way, you know what I'm saying? To where I was excited again, you know? But as of right now, like, I don't know, man, this fool always tells me, man, you're tripping, like you're still in your bag. Like come, you know what I mean? Come through. But I'm just like, dog, I really want to go see my girls do jujitsu right now.

29:09You know what I'm saying? I want to buy this car and I'm trying to hook my shit up. I'm just on some grown man shit. You know what I'm saying? I'm in the studio all day, every day. Trying to get him. You know what I mean? He's doing his thing though. His family life. Yeah, he's always on me. You know what I'm saying? I mean, there's a time for that attitude. But by the time you get to your 40s and you really got kids and shit, that's why I really am against people having kids early. because I feel like it just slows down your progress way too much because like I've had that that situation multiple times where it's like it's a Saturday afternoon and my options are hang out with my kid all day and just have like this real serene sense of like meaning and fullness or I go to somebody's rap video shoot and realistically if I stream it if I post about it post on snapchat do all that it's like it's a good look career-wise it's like realistically i could make some money off of the content and everything like that but it's also like more or less i'm doing a meet and greet all day just like having these sort of like surface level conversations i'm gonna meet like a hundred people i'm not gonna really remember any of them i'm gonna tap in with the rapper talk to him on camera this is all like very it's cool but it's it's fake as like this is just we're making content you know it's like i'm basically performing that whole time that i'm out yeah you're it's not yeah it's not genuine no more you're not there like how you were back in the days you know like it just gets redundant bro like and even if i eat it especially if you're streaming it bro even if i eat a sandwich you can't just like look at your phone and like eat the sandwich you gotta like keep it going with that camera hell yeah or something you know it turns you into like a fake version of yourself but it's also like it's your job what else are we doing like this is just you know i don't know it's just like a tough call it is tough right it is tough to grow in the game like because you you tend to start to get in and that's and that's the important thing for the youngsters like you know keep that in mind dog like i tell the homies all the time every five years you change bro you know i mean like your aura your energy your mentality like it changes that allow yourself to grow you know i'm saying like like like don't just go in on something balls out like Like, you just never know, homie.

31:31You might have another calling. You know what I'm saying? Like, give yourself that opportunity. Like, I always wanted to do that for myself. And I'm glad I did. You know what I'm saying? Because I see a lot of dudes, man, at my age now, like, just looking real desperate. And I don't mean that in a disrespectful way, you know? I just feel like life did its thing. You know what I mean? And life took its toll. And like, you know what I mean? People didn't prepare. I mean, but then again, who mentors us in my community? not too many rappers grew old and are around to say what's up the ones that did they're scared of us they don't with us real active ones because the original pioneers of this rap shit weren't really with the business right you know except for like brown side you know any other ones that came before us there were gimmicks and we didn't like the real active members didn't respect them we bumped them and we enjoyed it but we didn't respect them like that's our guy you know what i'm saying right and it goes back to what i was telling you earlier right like we're so critical about each other you know what i mean like the music could be dope you could be getting all the momentum but somehow some way the culture is gonna break you down yeah because i mean if you really even like think through the 90s and shit who was like the mexican gang rapper that really was being pushed or that stood out like it was kid frost kid frost was a guy okay that song full hit like like when 50 cent dropped you couldn't hear but my car was passed by to me i didn't like that shit for real the whole generation i didn't like any of that shit yeah there were more hip-hop you know what i'm saying there were more like like it was but then again think about it when kid frost dropped everybody had that sound that he had yeah you know he didn't see by the way kid frost could rap you know like i'm not i'm not gonna take nothing from the og i'm not talking shit you know he's a spitter dog you know i mean like if you go through this catalog the dude got delivery sound all that shit you know i'm saying um whatever happened his career happened i don't but I'm just saying like in the 90s he was the f***ing dude dog like that song was f***ing.

33:28Bro I remember when American Me dropped he was on the soundtrack you know what I'm saying like shit was lined up around the block bro just to see the movie and then his momentum after that shit was huge you know what I'm saying you tell me if I'm tripping but like it was a big deal when Sad Boy Loco got signed by YG and came out right? Huge deal that felt like a big deal because we hadn't seen a dude that looked like him get signed by a like real star by the guy that was on at that time yeah the top of the food chain he was yeah YG did his shit you know what I mean and whatever happened you know happened but yeah it was huge I thought I thought it was big as like I wonder if they would ever do anything again because last night we seen YG with Kamiya on stage and she was kind of part of that same era of his career where he was signing like a bunch of artists and none of them really like worked out like that but it was still you know it seemed like it had potential at the time but with the sad boy loco i i don't know i feel like it was legal problems that got in his way remember he started to get busted and he fought that attempt to murder yeah that shit threw him off his shit you know i'm saying and then you know how it is you're busted six months in the rap game you miss out on a lot of shit yeah and whoever you were a part of the team that team keeps moving and you're lucky when i interviewed him i really got the sense that like this is a guy who's still like pretty much out in the streets like he ain't really like fell back too far from like being outside just on some regular shit like he was telling stories like but when you're in that grind that he's in you you kind of it's kind of unavoidable you know i'm saying like like being a gangster rapper doing shows and going you're gangbanging you know you got to bring the homies with you right and you know what the homies got to bring and you know you got to check in wherever you're going and who's there and what's what and it's you know it's it's a it's a it's a huge move anything you do so but sad boy did his shit man shout out to him for that but so what what happens to you as a rapper when you get too old and your homies don't feel like going to the shows with you anymore you gotta call the little homies you gotta hire and then you're the oldest guy in the crowd you look like you're there with all your kids but you know i'm saying like that's what i'm saying like like like i'm lucky i'm fortunate i still have my homies with me you know but i'm from i I'm from a gang, so they'll go with me if I was going to church.

35:45Right. You know, we just, I'm from a very small neighborhood, and we do everything together, you know what I'm saying? Parties, it's just, it's a normal program. We're not gangbanging. We're just, oh, you going somewhere? I'm coming with you, you know what I mean? It's just a normal program. I think of that because, like, I know a lot of rappers where, like, I go to their shows and shit, and I see them with the same homies, like, over and over and over. but sometimes it don't seem like they really talk to those homies that much or like really know them like almost at all and i just wonder like is this dude just gonna kick it here like on the side of the stage and backstage and shit like forever or is he gonna get over this at some point like is this just like the illest shit ever to him and i get it because it's like if if in every other part of your life you're basically just a totally normal guy but then you got like one homie from high school who's a star rapper and does big shows and shit like that i mean you're probably looking at that relationship as like a lottery ticket like you you hit a lick because you are gonna meet girls that you would never be able to meet normally you're gonna get to meet celebrities just from being backstage at his shows and shit so like just knowing that one star rapper is like honestly that that guy who still goes to every show and just hangs out and just like is just a fly on the wall and is just like in the room he's smart like you you should take that opportunity for everything you can because it's going to get you into into doors yeah no facts you know any any little thing that'll help you get in the doors is important well yeah your character matters no matter what's still you know i'm saying like how you are you approachable are you not you know i'm saying like but you gotta fight yeah you know i mean some shit pops up yeah You gotta be reliable.

37:34You gotta catch a body too. You know what I'm saying? But despite everything that I've been saying though, like I still, you know, I believe in the homies and the culture, man. Like the homies are doing this shit. I'm really saying what I'm saying to hopefully spark an idea in them and let them know to think outside the box. You feel what I'm saying? So, all right. Your theory about Mexican people being prone to sort of beefing with each other, which you kind of laid out earlier, seems to be kind of proven by the dynamic that we currently have going with all of the bigger Mexican podcasts in L.A.

38:07Because now we got the food. They hate you. Why they hate you so much? Who hates me? All the Mexican podcasts. I'm cool with all of them. I mean, I think Hater World is your boy, right? I talked to Hater World. I talked to the community. I went on there. They hate you secretly. Don't let them lie to you, fool. I'll tell you right now. They hate your guts, fool. If they hate me secretly, you better keep it secret. You better just keep it low, man. You better be real, real nice to my face. and then okay Hater World Food Community and then I mean okay Dunos thing I don't know I feel like it's different right they don't have beef with anybody that's it's own thing even though that might be like the biggest one numbers wise those two Hater World and Food Community Food Community is uncomfortable to even watch you don't like it that food has a the flow is weak he should have stayed breezed too hard fat face I don't know we want to look at that motherfucker.

39:01Really? You don't think it's uncomfortable? What do you not like about him? Everything. You just think he's fake? He just looks like a scumbag. You talking about Juan right now? Oh, yeah. His shoes look old and sweaty. I can just imagine what the room smells like with that motherfucker. I met him when he was working with Icon, and they were trying to sign me and Lefty. The community was trying to get me. For a promo. Before Lefty signed me, because like I told you, Lefty got out of prison, and he met me. I live in Covina. He lives in Bolton Park, so he's like five minutes from me. So he would come into my crib And we would f***ing bang out music and shit And put it on And I shot his videos with an iPhone and shit And everything blew up Besides that What the fuck we just heard That fat face fool tried to offer Lefty a promo deal Brought us over there and shit And then yeah these fools are trying to sign us and shit For promo Yeah oh let me sign you to a f***ing deal and shit And they're trying to give me like 20 % and everything I made everything And I was like yo what the f*** And then do you want to talk about the Drake situation?

39:56Because we got insight on that We're there, the shit's real Drake, come on fool I'm not Wow The shit was there and it was pretty thirsty at the time No lie What era are you thinking that this happened? This happened last year And so you're saying that Drake Out of nowhere DMs left you? How did this go? Drake's team was like Hey, we're interested in doing something with Les Send over what you guys are working on right now I want to see if we can make something work. Boom, boom. Okay, bam. Hey, should we send something? I don't know. Let's wait and see what's up. A couple days later, hey, we're in Calabasas.

40:38We're working in the studio right here. Why don't you guys pull up? Let's throw around some music, see what's up. You know what I'm saying? They're probably going to jump them. Excuse me? Lefty was going to jump by the OVO goons. You can't jump. You can't jump from these OVOs. Are you crazy? That's not going to happen. Once you come onto that mansion, you got no control, man. Take your blick. They're going to do whatever. Don't believe that. But it was real. Listen, I don't got a dog in the fight. I just asked Drake because I felt like he would just give me a straight up answer. And so I didn't think twice about exposing what he said.

41:17Just because I figured when I ask him something like that, that's pretty much like blog type news type shit. So I don't know. I mean, if it ends up being true. No, it is true. It will look kind of... Look at me, I'm telling you. But why didn't Lefty post the screenshots yet then? Because we're not after that type of shit. The homie's not after like... Lefty don't run the Instagram. We're not. But so he's about claiming it, but he's not about actually posting evidence. He's about claiming it after it came out. Right. I just think if he's going to do it, he needs to post the evidence. Lefty don't...

41:45And he needs to let me scroll through it so I can prove that it's real. Even when it genuinely... When it originally happened, somebody else brought it up to Lefty. Like, Lefty wasn't even trying to like, you know, put it out there like that. Because at the end of the day, there is no song. Nothing happened. So what is he going to talk about? You feel what I'm saying? It's kind of like saying like, oh, I was going to cash on that million dollar deal and it was offered to me. Yeah. But it didn't. I don't have a million dollars. Do you think Lefty should have done it? I think he should have. Fuck yeah, he should have done it.

42:14Why not? Fuck Kendrick. Come do that song, buddy. It's not even about Kendrick. It's a business, dog. Yeah. Right. You know, we're not from the same gang with Kendrick. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's a music homie and that's what it is. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah. And why would he trip? If I was a real homie, I'd be like, hey, go do that. Run that play. What the f***? You coming up. Like, okay, if Kendrick had, like, recruited Lefty to be on a Drake diss, all right, now we're talking. Yeah. But he didn't. He just did a song with Lefty. And realistically, Lefty ain't got nothing to do with their smoke.

42:49Not at all. For sure, Lefty should have just done it. As a homie, I would have been like, run that shit. I was really available to him. I would have just done it if I was him, yeah. But at the time, the team was thinking different, you know? Because you understand, like, there's a lot of business deals going on behind closed doors that you don't want to jeopardize, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, K-Dot shit was the biggest thing. Yeah. I mean, it still is huge. I know you downplay it and hate the move. Like, it doesn't mean shit, but. I mean, it was a really good look. It's the best look that he was going to get in that moment.

43:16So, you got to take that look. But that being said, it is kind of weird. The weird thing about it is just that people equate Lefty getting a Grammy with Lefty being a popular rapper who has a real career ahead of him. And I don't necessarily agree with that. I think that he hasn't really proven to me that he can make great music that the fans will really care about. I think that he hasn't really done anything since that Kendrick verse. And if anything, it feels like, I mean, I have kind of like insider info because somebody was sending me all this information about him just being hella strung out in a parking lot after one of his shows and trying to get him to get him, you know what?

44:05And I was like, whoa, this dude is not. I don't think he's well. I don't think he's in like a good place mentally right now. Well, I mean, even with that being said. It's hard to deny it. Lefty's been out two years, dog. Yeah. Owns a mansion. Does he? Yes. He owns the cars that he wants. He's living the life that he wants. To me, I mean, you know, I mean, to you, looking at it from the industry perspective, it might not be none. But to me, he's doing pretty great. No, no. For sure, he's doing way better than a random guy. And I'm proud of him. And I'm proud of what he's doing. dude sober like taking care of his family doing what he has to do like i'm gonna be honest with you i always believed in them because i love them but i also knew the odds that were against them right you feel what i'm saying and and i didn't survive you know when i first got signed and i was in my 20s what i do catch 10 year term you know i'm saying so i always told him that like hey fool you want to hear from somebody that it off i it off like don't be that guy getting out 10 years later or 10 years later after a bad drug run trying to pick it up again because it's hard homie you know i'm saying like these situations ain't gonna come again you know so i mean i think he's doing great and and from the shit that i know that's coming in the future like yeah he's gonna be all right yeah you know i want the best for him and hopefully he can get his shit together get get him some good writers and shit because i feel like the he struggles a little bit with like putting words together and stuff like that but i do think he got all the star power in the world yeah definitely a charm star power the the natural ability to make people interact with him you feel what i'm saying so i mean if i don't know that i just got that with this music shit like the music is your business card that's what it's done for me you know i mean it's been my business card has allowed me to open up doors in different ways and shit you know i'm saying right so yo just to get back to the the current like podcast landscape i forgot about the insurgents hood stocks.

46:04That shit burned down. It's f***ed up. They passed me the ox. It's f***ed up because like it probably was some homeless food just f***ing around. That's what they think? Well that's what the fire marshal told Lucky from what Lucky said on his post. Because I haven't talked to Lucky. Me and him stopped talking a while back. We're good and everything don't get me wrong. Yeah? Yeah we just stopped talking. I thought you were kind of like opposed to him. Like what did you guys stop talking about because of it was just like uh i don't know i i feel like it was a misunderstanding between both of us um when when the issue happened with him and lefty at the studio where they had a fade outside after an argument i'm the one i'm one i'm the one that separated lefty from that you know i'm saying and i had just met lefty at the time you feel me even though i i knew about him because of my homeboys and i with his homies all that all that gang shit right um um lucky felt like I should have took his side you know I'm saying when in reality I wasn't taking those sides you were just trying to break I just saw two of my homies about to get into it and I wanted to defuse the situation as quick as possible that that's my mentality because think about it bro it was a crew of lefty there and then the hoodstocks crew and lefty and lucky were gonna fight what the thing was gonna happen but you didn't think that there was a possibility that they were gonna actually just let him get it out of the way?

47:29I feel like amongst actual friends, that's not so much to ask. Listen, listen, listen, listen. It doesn't matter, bro. The lifestyle that we live, we've seen so many people get shot. You don't open that shit up for a possibility or maybe. I don't give a f*** who I'm arguing with. If you give me a certain type of energy and I'm blowered up, you're either going to get shot or I'm going to have to just walk away and let you cuss your ass off and embarrass me. But in my mind, I'm walking away because I'm a kill dude. I guess in my mind, I'm picturing them having a pretty fair squabble. That, I think, is something that could happen.

48:08We were all drunk enough shrooms. Oh, Lord. That wasn't going to happen. But also, if it ends up being really one-sided, I haven't seen Lucky in real life, but I'm kind of picturing him beating the fuck out of Lefty. I don't know. But to me, in my head, I'm imagining him winning that fight. and if it really goes like in a direction where like a gets knocked out cold on the ground yeah that that could be bad like if it's a real like oh he just broke his jaw he's holding his jaw he's bleeding everywhere if you're my dog i'm killing that fool that touched you yeah i don't know and we'll talk about it later that's a lot to ask for someone gets in the other guy gets in yeah i can blah then it's a lot to ask the homies to not that's what i'm saying when your jaw is knowing that shit me seeing this happen numerous times yeah lived in and out i said you know what i'm diffusing this shit asap grabbed homie i knew the way out of there because i had been to the studio before you understand what i'm saying i didn't wait for one of lucky's homies to come and help because they were like in limbo yo you know i'm saying yeah so i just try to use my wisdom and protect both of my homies but as usual you know when you always end up in bad with somebody you know what I'm saying and we didn't end up in bad terms but we just don't have the relationship that we had before you know look he used to go to my house and turn up with me and my family you know I would always tap in and you know I threw him as many alley-oops as I could with like guests that I could send that way and he would help me out do you know little reviews of my albums and shit music on his podcast give me a platform and I always appreciated it and to this day I ain't you know it ain't no beef like it's all love like absolutely but that's what happened you know I tried to defuse the situation I ended up in bad terms but at the end of the day it's small price to pay somebody would have got dropped right there you know gotta be hating myself you feel me and I'm thinking to myself like I could have prevented some shit you know what I mean but don't you think also in that situation that I mean this is like a situation that's supposed to create respect between the two people listen we were drunk bottles that told me like yo lefty's really with the shit like lefty's down to fight this dude like that's pretty dope he's a real one he's actually what he says he is yeah but we're you think all this internet shit we were drunk shroomed out coked out oh man yeah bro like dog when I walked in that bitch I just had a flashback of like being young in the gang module again drinking pruno with the homies sharpening up shanks yeah that was the vibe that I got in that moment like whoa somebody's getting whacked you know what I mean yeah you know what I'm saying So I'm like, what the?

50:51Because you know what? Drunk, like a drunk room and a regular room are so different. Way different. Because you know what it was? Last night when I was watching the YG versus game versus, like I almost went. And then I didn't go at the last minute because I was going to try to do this interview. And then I figured I could just stream watching it. But like when I watched it, I realized like, yo, I would have been in over my head. Because I thought like a room with like, you know, 50 bloods in it or whatever is like whatever to me. I don't feel like I got problems with these people. I will go. I don't think that's a big deal.

51:24But when I watched it, I realized, oh, it's not just 50 Bloods. This is 50 drunk-ass Bloods. Blood is fun. The leaders of it, Game and YG, were annihilated. I can't even imagine what the homies were on because they don't even have to rap or do anything. They were probably so fucked up. That is the energy that I don't think I probably would have been wise to surround myself with. You would have been swarmed. It just wouldn't have been engaging for you Whether it's positive or negative It would probably just kind of end up Sort of negative because it would have just been too much You saw when Big Boy went on stage?