Bryce Crawford & Adam Spar over Jesus, Donald Trump, Nicki Minaj & More

23:36And it's like if you want to debate serious topics, you're going to have to do a little bit of legwork. because especially as soon as you sit and start having a conversation with somebody who's got statistics for you. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, here we go. This is usually pretty bad. I just saw a video the other day. It was like a Catholic guy debating an atheist guy, and the atheist guy quoted some verse from the Bible. And the Catholic guy is like, that's not what that verse says. And the atheist was like, yeah, it is, yeah, it is. And he read it out loud, and it totally had nothing to do with the subject.

24:05And the atheist guy was like, well, can you look the verse up for me? And it was like super humiliating for that guy because he's like, you want me to look up a verse for you that you quoted to try to go against me, you know? So yeah, I think I agree. It's also just pretty unrealistic to expect even a hardcore Christian to have, you know, huge percentages of the Bible memorized just because it's such a dense document. Yeah, no, for sure. Like I, I went to a private Christian school. It's like my senior year, we had to memorize like an entire chapter, like over the course of a semester. And that was a lot.

24:36I know some people that have an entire gospel memorized, which I'm just like, I don't know how you do that. Yeah, I don't have that kind of brain. I do. I know people who are able to like memorize extremely dense documents and like even like I'll watch destiny, like spend an hour, a couple hours, like researching something online on stream. And then he'll just be able to sort of like recite it verbatim. And I'm just like, how do you do that? Yeah, I don't never happen to me. I want a brain like that. I want to be able to absorb information like that. Definitely. So, okay, let's rewind the clock a little bit.

25:10Tell us about where you were at that got you into Christianity and how you found God for the people out there who don't know too much about you. Yeah, I grew up in Georgia. So I grew up Bible Belt in the South. I went to church on Sunday. I went to a private Christian school, but I saw a lot of hypocrisy. So I think that was like something a part of your story too, if I remember from last time we spoke. What kind of hypocrisy are we talking about? Well, I mean, well, first of all, we had people in church environments and my school environment and in my hometown that would tell me to live my life one way.

25:42But then I would see them doing the total opposite of what they were telling me to do. And I was a little confused. And then we had a church that was in our city where the pastor at the time had stolen a million dollars from the church, cheated on his wife and ran. Wow. And I was like, if that's the mouthpiece of God, I don't want anything to do with God. um and just like you know the the big hypocrisy was like that and then people tell me how to live my life one way and then i would like see them out at like you know they'd be like hey don't don't drink it's bad for you you shouldn't get in your alcohol and i which i've actually never asked about alcohol but that's not why they would be like hey don't drink alcohol and then i'd see him getting drunk at a restaurant on the weekend i'm like what is going on you know so that was just like the contradictory hypocrisy and then but christianity kind of forces you into a weird box there right because it's like drinking wine is part of the faith but getting drunk is something that should be strictly avoided yeah yeah like yeah but then again like you know alcohol is different like i don't know if you drink but pretty much almost never but i'll have a couple shots once in a while i got a party or something just to loosen up a little bit but i i basically stopped getting drunk in 2019 so so like sober mindedness is different for everyone like i've never had a beer so if i'd have a beer like i'd probably be off the walls in here right now you'd be surprised i think if you had a beer you would understand at least a little bit of why alcohol is so popular but it wouldn't like you know give you a hangover the next day or anything like that but then if you had five beers now we're talking yeah you're probably gonna like really get a vibe of why this is dangerous yeah and if you have 15 beers you're gonna be puking on the street it's not gonna be good yeah yeah i don't think i want it i don't even think i want one so it's we're we're chill if i could take back uh i don't want to say if i could take back anything in my life but for sure like drinking is probably one of the things i regret the most in my life because i think it was so obvious to me in my early 20s that this was not my thing and that i just really like didn't have much of a reason to spend so much time drinking and i just sort of went along with the crowd because it just became normalized to me over time of just seeing like so many of my friends having a good time out drinking and I just feel like I would have I would be further along in life if I had had the the gumption to just say all right this isn't for me I'm gonna go to the bar I'll hang out with you guys I'll kick it but I'm I'm just not gonna do it drinking yeah yeah for sure everyone's different you know like some people I just I know for me that if I did start drinking alcohol I would probably have a bad time controlling it so that's like another reason why I don't drink.

28:16But also like, I just think it's, I think it's wise. I don't be, I don't want to be like swayed in decision-making. I want to be like sharp and disciplined and stuff like that. And so, you know, but, but yeah, alcohol isn't necessarily a problem. It's, it's drunkenness in the Bible, but that, that was a big hypocrisy that I saw that like rubbed me the wrong way. That was like, okay, we're talking about like, don't abuse any substances, but like I'm watching you guys go crazy, like in the middle of the week or on the weekends, you know, what's going on. And then in the eighth grade, my granddad got pancreatic cancer and was in the hospital.

28:47And my family was like, you go to Christian school, so you need to go tell your grandfather about Jesus. So, you know, he goes to heaven. And at the time, I'm like, I don't care about Jesus. So I didn't go. And he died in the hospital. And so that's when I started blaming God for killing my grandfather. So that was like the big where I'd already been having a hard time with a little bit of depression here and there. But then that moment took me into this pit of depression and anxiety where I had it every day. I was a big people pleaser. I was trying to find myself in things like porn. I told you girls and stuff like that.

29:20And I'd never drank or did drugs. But, you know, I was doing a whole lot of different things, sports, trying to find identity, people pleasing. I would have been a different person to you than I would have been to him and him so that, you know, we could maybe y 'all's affirmation would make me feel good. Did that for about four years. And then at 17, I was going to take my life on a Christmas of 2020. 20. And so before you even get into that, like what, when I'm picturing like a teenager having this sort of constant depression and stuff, like what, what would you identify it as? Like, what were the repeating thoughts that you were dealing with?

29:51Was it just the fact that you didn't feel like you knew who you were or like, but that's not going to drive you to thinking about taking your own life, right? So the depression anxiety would be like, so I would go to school, right? And I was a people pleaser. So I would try to like get everyone to like me, but deep down, I'm like always thinking about like, Oh, I'm not doing enough or I'm paranoid that I'm making people upset or, oh, what are people going to think if they actually know the real me or, oh, I'm ashamed because I have this awful self-worth or this deep sadness in my chest and in my body.

30:18So then when I would go home, I would like lay in bed and I would just cry because I hated myself. I hated the way I looked. I hated the way I felt. I hated the way my brain thought. I hated my personality. I hated who I was trying to be by getting other people. And then I would look at myself in the mirror and I would just hate everything about my physical appearance. And so it was just this mentality. And then on top of that, a big part of it was like when my grandfather died, I blamed myself. Because even though I didn't care about Jesus, because of how I was raised in Christianity, I was like, he doesn't know Jesus.

30:49He's going to hell. So then I blamed myself because I was like, oh, I didn't go to the hospital when I was asked to. And he died. Do you think that he would have been accepting of you arguing in favor of Christianity? I'm sure like as a grown man, he probably had plenty of people tell him about God, right? Well, so my grandma that he was married to is an absolute saint. Like she loves Jesus. She's so alive. She's the best. She visited the hospital instead and had a conversation with him and he rounded the corner and put faith in Jesus. But I didn't find out until later on. Oh, interesting. So I found out after what happened on that Christmas day that that's what had happened because I was too afraid to talk to my grandma.

31:29I felt bad. Like I felt guilty that like I didn't go. and uh so you know i i don't think he would because we always had conversations and stuff like that like i say we as in like my grandma or like my family because we all went to church so it'd be like hey do you want to come to church and he wouldn't come to church unless it was like a major holiday you know like a christmas or an easter or something but even then like sometimes he didn't show up um but it wasn't like he hated god i don't think he would have identified himself as an atheist or anything he was just kind of like yeah it was almost like he just existed and went through the motions kind of thing.

32:01Right. So that, that was kind of really what the depression was like and anxiety was for me. And then, yeah, I just got to the point where the whole reason I wanted to end my life wasn't because I wanted to die. It was just because I wanted the depression and anxiety to go away and nothing I was doing was working. Like none of the escapism, none of the porn, none of the anything was working. So I went to Waffle House for my last meal and I didn't, I didn't have a hallucination. No one preached to me and I'd never done drugs. I had a supernatural encounter with Jesus where he revealed himself to me and stopped me from taking my life.

32:36And so I prayed a prayer. I just said, Jesus, if you're real, take away my anxiety and depression because this is what I want to take my life. And he took away my crippling anxiety and depression. I haven't had it since that day. It's been over five years. And that was like my foot in the door with Jesus. No. Yeah. That's impressive for sure. So how do you get into content creation and how do you get to the point from, do you go from just being a regular kid to getting so much attention on you that you're doing podcasts that are getting millions of views? How do you transcend that? Well, I was doing content before.

33:08Was it a street interview type stuff? Uh, before Jesus. Oh, okay. Well, that's some of your older content that I've seen is you sort of just talking to people on the street about God, but what were you doing before that? No, I still do that. Yeah. Yeah. So that's like one section. Yeah. So before I was a Christian, I was making prank videos. Right. Okay. Yeah. So I would, I would like make videos and I would try to sell them to world star, which is like, that's like some crazy lore, but I would like, I would like try to sell the videos to world stars. What kind of pranks though? Were you doing like deviant sort of stuff or was it pretty tame?

33:37It was like pretty tamed, but like, I kind of knew how to make it go viral, I guess. So I, cause it was weird. It's like, I want to make a prank video, but I was like kind of a stickler for the rules. so i like i did this one where i saw well actually this was by accident but this is the one that kind of like helped everything at the time i was lighting a firework in my neighbor's yard and it bent over and exploded in the yard and caught the neighbor's lawn on fire and like i sold that to world star and i was doing like fake poop pranks or like a covet prank where i'd go to the mall like fake sneeze on someone and stuff like that like i would try to do it as harmless as possible or like i would call the pizza guy and get him to come deliver pizza and then i'd be like dude i don't know who to talk to but like i'm like i i'm in love with my cousin i don't know what to do and like you know i would like do stuff like that right which is not not evil but it's probably not godly yeah yeah it's just kind of like it's just stupid wasting a random person's time yeah i would always feel really bad just like leaving being like man i probably jacked up that person's day because i always think about how interesting is that i saw jideon quickly rising to becoming like one of the biggest content creators and a huge percentage of his stuff was prank oriented a couple years ago and i was watching all of it and then he sort of had this moment where he was like this stuff just doesn't align with my christian faith and he just fell back on it yeah yeah and like at least for me i didn't really care about the pranks it was just popular at the time it was the meta like everyone like danny duncan was huge so many people huge so many people who don't do pranks anymore became huge because of pranks.

35:10Fousey, Nelk Boys, like just so many of these guys. That's just sort of the way in. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what I was. I was trying to ride the wave really, but I was getting burned out because I like felt bad and I really wasn't pranks or hard. I didn't like, like for a lack of better terms, I just hated pissing people off for no reason, you know? Um, so that kind of bothered me. So then when I became a Christian, I had no intention to necessarily make videos, but then I, I was so passionate about telling people about Jesus. Cause he saved my life. I just immediately started propping up my phone and talking and talking and talking.

35:43So share my faith has always been just a part of me on and off camera. And then in 2024, I started recording us traveling, going to tougher environments where like I would be the minority. Okay. And where you're going to like the goth parade and stuff like that yeah like pride parade satanic temple um stuff like that burning man we went to burning man um which was actually insane um and stuff like that and just like talking to people because then because then like for a christian who's scared to talk about jesus if they maybe see me have navigate a hard conversation with a satanist they can invite their friend at 10 years to church right so that's like the plus and it teaches people skills on how to share their faith i feel like if i was christian and i went to burning man that it would probably be kind of tough not to be like damn everybody seems like they're having so much fun and enjoying this music so much that i just want to hang out and have a good time like it didn't tempt you to just not to do some wicked stuff but just to kick it and dance and have fun actually no that was like the hardest environment i've ever been in probably really how come dude it was like okay i mean you know have you ever been to burning man i haven't but i've watched a decent amount of stuff about on youtube i mean bro it's just like a big week-long drug trip orgy yeah that probably stands out a lot in real life that everybody's loaded beyond belief it literally is like i had a guy come up to me and offer me lsd and i was like oh sorry i don't do drugs and he's like oh then you won't enjoy burning man if you're not on drugs and i was like well i'm not like necessarily here to enjoy it either like i'm here like this guy i'm actually trying to talk to people like you because you're in the middle of the desert and you have to get like busts in right We would have to drive two hours one way to the desert, and then the entrance is like two miles long into it.

37:26And it becomes the second largest city in Nevada for a week. It was insane. I can enjoy a dance party or going to a club and dancing and drinking or whatever. That's fun. But the idea of just being so isolated in this camping environment and everybody's just dancing and doing, I mean, that's too much for me. Well, no one's so – everyone's either drunk, higher, or both. And then everyone's not everyone, but a lot of people are just naked, running around naked and and just sort of like up to a bunch of crazy stuff. So that was like that was the toughest environment. And that's the irony of that sort of thing that I've sort of realized over the years is that you have these like DJs who are mega celebrities in this world from just going up there and playing their songs or playing other people's songs or whatever.

38:10But typically, like they're sober or close to sober. and then meanwhile the audience is loaded beyond belief or like you'll hear people talk about like edm stuff and they they like people who take the music really serious don't want to acknowledge that like 90 of the fan base is loaded beyond belief in the crowd you know like they just want like because for me i have really enjoyed electronic music at times typically when i was like when i was getting really messed up you know that really is helps you enjoy that music a lot i I never really felt like that at like a rap show. Like, wow, I need to be drunk as hell to enjoy this.

38:46Yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't think like house music is like evil or anything, you know? Like, I don't think it's evil. Yeah, but it feels kind of like designed to do drugs too. Yeah, I mean, for sure. Just repeating over and over and the pounding of the bass is kind of like intended to affect you. It probably would be 10 times more enjoyable if you were on multiple substances at one time for sure. You know, but yeah, that was like the darkest environment. Because it would be like you would have like a tent someone sleeping in next to an electrolyte station next to a bus with blacked out windows with times on when to have group sex in there next to literally it was called the orgy bus next to like an 18 foot moving pirate ship.

39:25Wow. That was mobile like moving in the desert next to another electrolyte station next to, you know, a museum of naked mannequins or whatever next up. It's just like odd. Really hedonism like personified right there. This is like people who are going to this place to just enjoy the most base sort of human pleasures of the flesh. Yes. Yeah. The 1000%. It was like a 21st century battle. Yeah. It doesn't really like stand for anything else. Yeah. Pure enjoyment of sin. And people got so I said that like I went I got to go on Sean Ryan's podcast and I was like talking about that. And people that go to like the Burning Man diehards were so upset that I said that.

40:07Really? And I'm just like, if anyone went there, they would agree with me. It's like, I don't care if I'm upset. If anyone went there, you'd be like, yeah, he was right. And I know what you're talking about, too, because now that I'm mostly sober, I go to parties all the time. And maybe we'll take a shot or two, but for the most part, I'm like 90 % sober. And the people that – I see girls at these parties, and they're off molly, and their jaws moving side to side, and their eyes are huge, and they're groaning their teeth together and stuff. And I just am constantly struck by the fact that if you're on the same drugs or you're loaded like they are, this all seems totally normal.

40:46But being a sober person in that environment, it's just like, wow, this is hard to take. Like the idea that like this is how people are operating in this environment. And, you know, I understand like go have a good time. But as a sober person, you just see it through completely different eyes. Oh, for sure. Yeah. I'm grateful that we can enjoy life sober. Yeah. Yeah. And anyone that says that they can, they can't enjoy things unless they're drunk or high is really concerning. You know, there's people that are like, I can't, I can't be social unless I drink or like, I can't be social unless I like smoke or something.

41:17That's just like, that just breaks my heart. Cause I'm like, Oh, that's not, that's just not true. You know? Yeah. And especially like for me, I'm a person who I'll take like, like I used to smoke weed every single day. And now I've tried, I've like really practiced and like forced myself to be able to just not do it for a month and just make sure that i feel fine and i'm always kind of shocked by the way that it feels it used to feel so essential to me like i need to smoke to get through the day and now i just really feel like i can take it or leave it and if anything it's probably better to leave it just because as much as like weed is kind of like the one drug that is fun when you're doing it and then you wake up the next day and you're not like in pain like the way that when you drink you just feel like you're dying the next day but even that just like the little hangover just feeling a little foggy in the head is i don't know it doesn't feel like worth it a lot of times i've heard some some people that i know that smoked weed said that like they would it it made them slower for sure that's why i like didn't mostly smoke like while like do you do you feel sharper that you yeah for sure like it definitely just thinking of the next best thing to say thinking about like where i'm going to take this conversation next etc it feels like weed just doesn't really lend itself to that and i do i know people like a burner wrote that book right there's the guy who created cookies which is kind of like the biggest weed strain of all time he's telling me that everything he does he just he'll smoke get super super high and just go to business meetings with important people and all this stuff and i'm just like man i feel like i if i walk in front of a ceo and i just smoked a blunt to the face i am a distinctly worse version of myself, at least for the purpose of having a coherent conversation with this guy.

43:01You know, like if I'm sitting in my room watching TV or working on my computer or whatever, I can smoke and I'm fine. But like in terms of doing like serious stuff where you need to interact with other people, I think that's demonstrably worse. Yeah. I mean, I'm always going to be on the side of the spectrum. That's like, just don't do it. Period. You know, like, I mean, I think that it's interesting that when the Bible talks about alcohol, it uses, it says, do not be, it says don't be drunk with wine but be filled with the spirit for it is a waste i think it's funny how we call it being wasted when we're you know super drunk or you know crossed or whatever it may be right i mean one of the biggest changes about drugs though honestly like throughout my life is that when i was younger if you wanted to do mushrooms you would have to like get a bag of mushrooms from some guy and then typically people would just take way too much and just freak out and just have this crazy experience where you're sort of paranoid and losing your mind whatever same thing with acid same thing with i know so many people that like would just eat you know a huge weed brownie and just puke and just freak out or whatever but now so many people do like small amounts of drugs you know like in the sense that they have mushroom gummies and i'll like see people like oh i did mushrooms last night and i'll see the amount that they took And I'll be like, that is so different than what doing mushrooms meant when I was a kid, because now people are able to like take much smaller increments of things and have experiences that are probably like much, much better because they're doing a lot less of that thing, which is kind of that's that's a huge change between generations, I think.

44:37yeah yeah i guess when you say the doing mushrooms my mind goes to that first example that you did but i would only hear that really like a decade ago yeah you know that's like and then that would be what's kind of going on there but you know now i guess the the accessibility to drugs has increased which which that that scares me as a human being because i'm just like man i want people to use critical thinking skills i want them to turn to other things than drugs i want i want them to turn to the gifts god's given them i want them to turn to jesus you know and all the above But that's like a good direction from your perspective that the world has gone in is that young people are just drinking so much less.

45:13You got nightclubs and bars shutting down all over the country because drinking is just not as essential a part of life as it seemed when I was a kid. But I guess the other side of that is that I think a lot of those same people that aren't as interested in going out and spending hundreds of dollars drinking alcohol at the bar are maybe smoking weed or doing other drugs that are probably a lot less expensive and don't involve going to this place to pay for it and stuff like that. But I mean just alcohol use in general has just plummeted for the current generation. Oh, well, that's a good thing.

45:48Yeah. Yeah, that's a great thing. I mean, I think that has a lot to do with just people wanting truth because like phones are such a gateway vice for everything. I mean, you can get anything from your phone. I mean, you just said it earlier. Like when we talked about the soup thing, it's like you could have just door dashed soup to your house. Right. It's like you can get access to anything you want in large quantities in such a short amount of time on your phone. I think people are just tired of fake stuff. Like it's like beer doesn't do anything. It's like you wake up, you're hungover, and the only way to get it done is either thug it out or drink more to get over the hangover.

46:20and then you know you're back again and it's well if the beer would have worked it would only take in one beer but like why do we keep having to go to beer but also people are so much more health conscious now and beer realistically if you were gonna get messed up is the only thing that you could get messed up doing that has a really large amount of calories associated with it that if you want to get drunk a lot of calories you're talking like a thousand plus calories realistically whereas like every other drug that you could think of is zero calorie or it might have the opposite effect is going to make you really not eat for long periods of time.

46:54The health movement's kind of growing right now. Are you on like a health kick or? I'm always, you know, on the spectrum. It's like I work out every day, but then when it comes to eating, you know, I'm not like as strict as I should be. I'm really tempted by these GLP ones, man. I was thinking about getting on one, but. What is that? I was like Ozempic or whatever. Oh, it kind of just takes away your hunger. Dude, you do not need Ozempic. You look great. But I know so many people are on it and they love it. Oh, that's my biggest pet peeve with the Ozempic. I'm just like, oh my gosh, go work out.

47:24Like that's going to get clipped and people are going to get so upset. I do not care. If you actually, I love Ozempic for people that actually have legitimate health needs that like can't get up, that can't get work out, that can't work out. You need Ozempic. Great. But a lot of people that I know that are taking Ozempic do not need it, are pumping it in their body, and then they're just addicted to the look. So they're like anorexic and super skinny. And then I'm like, okay, is it really healthy for you or is it not healthy? It's like, just go to the gym. Yeah. But I mean, go to the gym has like always been kind of the easy prescription for people.

48:00But I feel like, you know, to a lot of people, the idea that the amount that they would have to limit their calories in order to really lose weight is so dramatic and so difficult that it's pretty like understandable for me, like why a lot of people kind of can't do it on their own. And as a person who's like lost large amounts of weight multiple times in my life, it almost feels like it's harder now for me to restrict calories and actually like focus on getting in shape because I know that there's this thing that exists out there that a lot of people that I know are on that basically creates the scenario in which you're going to lose weight, which is basically like, Hey, you take this stuff, you inject it into your stomach once a week or whatever and it basically makes it so that you just don't want to eat you know that you you want to eat like a very small amount of calories that's super easy to lose weight on whereas like you know throughout my life like the amount of self-control it took to lose weight was always like something i was really proud of but knowing that other people are able to do it by just taking this medication that realistically from what i could tell has like almost no negative side effects if you do like the proper dosage that the knowledge that that exists makes it harder i think for me to really restrict calories now which is hard i have to like figure out how to get around that if i want to really lose weight no i kind of know what you're saying i you know again i don't have the problem with people who actually genuinely need ozempic taking us right because i have friends who have lost hundreds of pounds people are like morbidly obese and probably will live 10, 20 years longer because of that medication, which yes, they could have worked out and gone to the gym and ate healthy.

49:42But realistically, a lot of these people were trying that for like 20 years and just couldn't pull it off. And then this basically magic trick. Yeah, I am. I'm grateful for that. But most of the people that I know are taking it do not need it. And in my opinion, like a woman is not going to be attractive to the cheap route. A woman likes discipline. and so when they see a woman going to the gym dialed on the diet actually working out and not making excuses on being like oh my gosh i'm gonna like you know go you know i'm gonna go pop a needle and take ozempic and get super skinny you know a woman doesn't want some like super skinny guy a woman wants a disciplined guy when it's got hard discipline because that discipline overflows outside of the gym into other areas such a huge percentage of the people i know on ozempic are women oh see it's the opposite for me i only know mostly dudes on ozempic so well granted you do work with a whole lot more women than than i i probably but not just the the porn stars and stuff i'm talking just like mom's valley world or whatever we all go out to eat and i'm noticing like she just ate half a hamburger and like six fries like for sure for sure her appetite is probably bigger than that if left to its own devices yeah yeah yeah no for sure i'm just like oh man dude i'm so glad you brought this up because i've been having this conversation so many times with so many of my guy friends because they're just like taking ozemic as a cheap way out and i'm like dude that's so unsustainable why like but what if it is sustainable because i know people who've been on years and years and don't seem to have any kind of negative health effects and and that is what kind of sells me on it is that like granted like the way i grew up of if you want to get in shape, you got to work out and you got to do cardio and you got to eat strict and you know, like that's how you lose weight.

51:22And so it does seem kind of cheap, but when you see a medication that seems like it's able to help people so much with like no negative health consequences, which granted, we don't know what they might discover about it 10 years from now, but based on everything I've seen, it's kind of like, it's hard for me to find the negative side of it because i think we're so used to so many drugs having this negative consequence like yeah if we were both on steroids we'd be big and strong and that would be great but it's super easy to figure out what the negative things associated with steroids are i kind of feel like ozempic and all the other glp ones are kind of not like that where it there isn't this negative thing associated with it well like i i mean again you know we don't have like a lot of study on ozempic same with like peptides like right now everyone's amped up on peptides it is a peptide Like I just mean like peptides and other peptides in general.

52:12Like we don't we don't have like a lot of research on it. But, you know, like the sign of taking the cheap way out to me is a sign of laziness. And laziness breeds a whole lot of problems more than just like taking a cheap way out. Like whenever if I am getting lazy, that is a sign that like sin will probably creep in my life. And so if I have friends that have an able body, that have bones, that have a body that they can actually be disciplined with, they and they have good social skills and they have the capacity to go to the gym and work out and they can be dialed on a diet and then they're just like popping ozempic as a magic trick because they're lazy i'm like you've got to be kidding me bro like go actually go to the gym and work out and do something hard because that's what men do if you want to be a boy you can go take the cheap way out if you have a good body and go pop ozempic and be lazy or whatever but if you want to be a man someone that loves god and wants to honor god with your body you're going to work hard be disciplined go to the gym and do those things but what if you do all those things and then you're also on a GLP one.

53:07All those things, but you wouldn't need to be on a GLP one again, unless you're like someone that's like morbidly obese, that's like has health issues. And then you're like losing all this weight, your body's like trying to adjust to like the testosterone and, you know, you fluctuating things again, that's like a, we're talking about a nuance. I'm talking about a specifically targeted group of people that have able bodies, able souls, like, cause cause then you're like seeing like, there's like some fitness influencer that has like no legs and he's like super jacked. And I'm like, that guy's not taking the cheap excuse out.

53:38And you're telling me like you're going to go like pop a needle while this guy's got no legs and he's going to go work out right now. But I think that we have like an association with like drugs that need to be administered via needle, that they're like inherently more dangerous, like because we associate with using a needle on yourself with like heroin or steroids, which are like traditionally those are the kind of things you would have to take. Pretty soon they're going to have oral ozampic that you're going to be able to just pop a pill once a day or every couple of days in the morning or whatever, and it's going to be a lot easier.

54:09I think that that's one of the things that really sort of alienates people and keeps them away from the Ozempic thing at this point is the fact that you have to shoot it up, which to me is not really scary because I've taken so many medications over the years. You had to do that, but I don't think that there's anything special or different about GLP-1s except for the fact that they're extremely effective and useful to a huge percentage of people. Like I don't really think of it as like the easy way out. I feel like it's if anything, it's kind of like the smart way out. I think I think the net positive of if you are able bodied and don't actually medically need Olympic, I think the net positive is just not copping out and actually working hard because like in my life when I when I got I like was doing this fitness program and then I like and then I straight off from it a little bit and now I'm like dialed back on this fitness program and it though that hard work and that discipline is overflowed into other areas of my life and so like that's why i'm like if someone is copping out for an easy way out when they don't need something And I'm just like, well, that laziness is going to breed into other areas of your life.

55:17Then you might cop it on like, well, then you might think only success is achievable if you, you know, invest in some crazy meme coin on a crypto and then it hits big and then that's how you're going to make all your money and get rich. It's like, well, that's not ideal. That just like doesn't make sense. So it's like, what's the net positive in life? I just think that normally when you say like a cop out, you're kind of like saying somebody doing something that is easy instead of doing the thing that is like more honorable or harder. And usually the thing that's easy would like come with some sort of negative consequence.

55:48Like, for instance, if you are having problems in your marriage and so you cheat or you go out and get drunk instead of going to couples therapy with your wife or whatever. I understand how that's a cop out because you're doing something that's inherently bad for you. it might temporarily take your mind off it or whatever but it's not really like a solution to the thing that you're facing and meanwhile like i just don't really think that the glp ones are like that because it feels like it makes people's lives a lot better but then there's no real negative side consequence and yeah you can work out and you can you know eat clean and everything like that but like these things kind of need to be done in tandem like you could be on a glp one and you know shove cake down your throat but when i talk to people they tell me that it's the kind of thing where you don't even really want to eat because food doesn't really taste that good for you.

56:37I know like for me, the food addiction thing is pretty much like entirely about the fact that just food tastes good. And it's hard for me at 8 PM to convince myself, ah, I don't have that extra piece of pizza because that one piece of pizza is going to be the thing that pushes you into a calorie surplus. You know, that, that is a hard thing that we all deal with is like, you know, my, my wife and my kid are eating ice cream when I get home from work and I got to say, no I'm not interested the GOP one like just makes the decision for you you're actually not interested whereas for all those years of me getting in shape or losing weight or whatever it's like I had to actually have the self-control to say no to the bowl of ice cream even though in that moment it feels like the most human thing possible to want to take part in that but I see how it is with people in my life where they'll be in that situation they'll eat two bites of the ice cream and they say okay good yeah I'm good I'm stuffed you know it's yeah I mean it changes your appetite.

57:31I think something having to make the decision for you is a big indicator that there's a bigger problem in someone's life in general, for the most part. Like if something or someone else has to make a decision for you in an area out of a lack of self-control, that's a big deal. And I'm in the same boat with you. Like I like the taste of food. So like I love food too. Like I'm right there with you. Like I want to relate. I feel the same way. But when I'm talking about for the person that is able-bodied, has the capacity to go do this, doesn't need Ozempic, I think it is a cop out because number one, I mean, the discipline, the hard work, the effort, it overflows outside of just that.

58:06Secondly, like I believe God's given us a body and I believe we honor God by not being lazy. And so if I'm like just copping out and taking the hard way out, I mean, the easy way out when like I could be honoring God with my body by going and working out, going on a walk, going on a run, hitting the gym, whatever it may be doing that. furthermore going to the gym helps with testosterone you know where like some people are like i can only blow off some steam by like hooking up with a girl or a guy it's like well just go work out you know go blow off some steam in the gym go work out so there's like a bunch of other net positives so in my mind and again like people are gonna probably think like i'm like crapping on people that have like weight problems like that's not what i'm doing i'm not i'm not trying to do that you're talking about the people who are taking it to lose the last 20 pounds not the guy who needs to lose 300 pounds which i think yes for that guy it's easy to accept that like you know this guy taking osimic is a way better outcome than him dying when he's 55 because he's so overweight yes yes or the person that is taking osimic because they want to like they just want to look skinny they already look good but they want to look you know shredded to the bone which to me is kind of like yeah i mean that that's sort of a strange thing for me to see it doesn't even like, at least from the people that I know, it hasn't made them shredded.

59:18It's just made them insanely skinny. And like that person that only wants to take it to like, look some type of way is the same person that I think has a problem if they want to get a tattoo because they want a girl to think they look sexy. You know, I'm like, you guys both have the same problem. It's just manifesting in two different ways right now. You know what I mean? It's like, so, so that's where I'm like, there's a actual root problem there and we could solve by working hard but the last thing i'll say and i realize it's kind of weird for me to go so hard for a medication that i've never actually even tried even though i i plan on trying it at some point but i feel like a lot of people in my space like i definitely know a bunch of people have lost a bunch of weight on glp ones that then they just act like they didn't ever do it and you give them a hard time about it you make fun of them about it and they just sort of go quiet or whatever so like if i do it i'm gonna get on the podcast and talk about my experience with it just because i feel like i'd rather live my life out in the open but the one thing that really strikes me when i I hear people talk about it is the number of people who are lifelong nail biters or lifelong cigarette smokers who start doing it and then they don't feel the need to engage in those behaviors anymore, which is kind of insane to think that those receptors work on the same framework as the desire to eat the pizza is so similarly linked to the desire to smoke cigarettes or do drugs.

1:00:36I've just heard a lot of people talk about how they got on it and just a lot of their other bad behavior just sort of went out the window, which that to me is obviously there's a lot of honor and just quitting smoking cigarettes. We all know that that's probably pretty difficult, but the idea that it could like make people just not really even have interest in those things anymore is like super fascinating. Yeah. I've, I've actually never heard of that before that. That is, that is pretty interesting. Yeah. I don't know what I would think about that, that's kind of cool but you're like a you're like a fit guy you know like you're not overweight yeah like if i lost like 20 or 30 pounds everybody would be like oh you're in immaculate shape but that's kind of like the thing about it is that that 20 30 pounds is difficult like man like three years ago four years ago i was in such better shape and i'm just kind of slowly packing it on and i know at some point i'm gonna have to turn the corner and just go hardcore and i've tried that a few times over the last couple months and it just doesn't feel like it's really kicking in the way that it used to i mean part of it is just the lifestyle of like doing podcasts all day you're just like sitting in a chair all day like during my bmx days oh my god i was outside oh you definitely ripped yeah i mean just every single day your thing is that you're just blasting through calories and maybe i wasn't eating healthy really almost at all but i'm blasting through calories just out riding every day i mean that that like when i look back at photos of myself when i'm 22 23 i was like i wasn't going to the gym at all and i looked amazing because like my work life was just out burning calories all day, every day.

1:02:02That's like, you meet, you meet a construction guy and they're in like amazing shape and they don't have to try at all because their job necessitates them being out lifting heavy stuff all day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That is as pretty admiring. Yeah. Yeah. Um, okay. So one thing that like really stood up to me about the audience that you're cultivating and the style of Christianity that you're pushing is the fact that when I look at your comment section, I feel like it's, it kind of reminds me of the style of Christianity that I grew up around, which is very positive, very nice. A lot of times when I'm on social media in this day and age, it just feels like more often than not, the Christianity that I'm being exposed to is often taking the form of like extreme cruelty and, and negativity and sort of just like, they probably wouldn't describe it as hatred, but it seems pretty hateful to me of like the other, whether it's trans people or gay people or, or, or people are liberals just in general.

1:03:02I mean, it feels like you're cultivating a sort of different audience. You have an audience of people who are a lot more on like the, the, the chill, nice, friendly side of Christianity. Is that something that you're like consciously courting? Or is that something that you notice about the, the, a lot of the people that present themselves as Christians in our discourse? Well, I mean, we definitely get hate for sure. I mean, that's obviously there. But yeah, I would I want to push that because in, you know, we love authenticity and I think people like authenticity. So I think there's a part of it where like people are friendly when we have like a nonbeliever on the pod and they like love the conversation because of authenticity.

1:03:41They're just like, all right, this guy's honest. So it's like we like it. You know what I mean? Whereas, you know, someone going on there and blowing smoke and then they'd be like, all right, come on. But so, yeah, like that's definitely like a conscious effort. I want that culture to be created because I think that's what it means to like love God and bless God. It's like you when you are encouraging and loving and loving isn't compromising. You know, it's not like compromising and letting someone do something that you disagree with, but it's just pulling the gold out of someone while calling them higher.

1:04:09And that's like, that's honestly what we're trying to do. But like, yeah, I mean, I get hate. Like even we just we did a we just had a podcast come out with Nicki Minaj. And we on the wide angle, like I had shorts, like I had shorts, and they were like, kind of like riding up on my leg. And we only had the wide angle and my tight angle. So the wide angle was a lot. And people were like, give me a bunch of crap. Like, yo, don't wear shorts next time. Don't wear shorts. Like they were like, give me a hard time. But as if you might somehow expose yourself. Well, I did. They were they were like riding up on me because of the how like low the couch was I was sitting but I tried to wear pants just the dryer broke and we were traveling and my pants were sopping wet so it's like you know so like there was like a misunderstanding so there's definitely like sometimes people get like upset about small things like that it's whatever but i would say for the most part everyone's pretty positive and excited and stuff like that well i'll give you like an example is that like uh i think it was michael knolls who's uh from the daily wire and he's like a big christian thought leader at this point and like he had i think it was him he had a quote he went on stage at like i think the Republican National Convention and said, transgenderism needs to be eradicated.

1:05:20And this caught a lot of attention because as much as we know that like the average Christian or Republican probably doesn't have the fondest feelings about people who choose to be trans, but that just strikes me as the most distinctly un-Christian possible phrasing of that. Whereas like any Christian who I'm going to respect is going to be somebody who, you know, maybe wants to shape the world in a way that would flow against, you know, the, the, the propagation of transgenderism. Sure. But to say that it must be eradicated is like the least compassionate possible phrasing I can imagine when it comes to like people whose behavior you don't necessarily agree with.

1:06:00I can't imagine that you agree with him phrasing it that way. But I mean, this is one of the biggest thought leaders in the sort of Christian space. And I I mean, to me, it just stands out that, you know, this is just like there's a version of Christianity that is extremely loud and prominent in our culture that I think is like directly flies in the face of what like any version of Christianity I grew up around looked like. Yeah. I mean, look, I'm going to be honest. I think transgenderism is a danger to society. So like I like agree. I don't I don't want it to exist either because I think it's a I think it's a net negative.

1:06:36but I don't think I would necessarily phrase it that way. Now I like Michael Knowles. I think he's got great thoughts. Like I like some of his content commentary and content and stuff like that. Like I think he's got great stuff. For the record, it might've been Matt Walsh. I can't really remember. No, it was Michael Knowles because I know, I know exactly what you're talking about. And I like him a lot. Like I think his stuff is great. And I like, I think, like, I think that ideology transgenderism is a danger to society, but like the way that people just go about it different ways. People have different personalities.

1:07:04And like my personality is like, I just like going into the environment and having one-on-one conversations with people and letting people know where we stand. Like, you know, like yesterday we, we sat down with a gay pastor here in the Valley and within the first like two minutes, I'm like, Hey, look, I want you to know I disagree, but we're going to have a respectful conversation. And, uh, you know, I asked her a bunch of questions. I asked her questions about LGBTQ community. I asked her questions about homosexuality, about transgenderism and stuff. And I asked her the question, what is a woman?

1:07:34and it's it's been almost 24 hours i looked at my wrist i gotta watch it's been almost 24 hours i still don't know what her definition of a woman is you know and so like i think that is dangerous i think that's extremely dangerous um but the way people go about phrasing it and stuff is definitely off of personality and stuff like that so you know i i can't say like i for me personally i'm just the kind of person that's like yeah i disagree with that i i disagree with transgenderism so one way I'm going to solve the problem is I'm going to go to the people and like talk to them and explain to them why I disagree but so what would be your prescription for somebody who you know believes in God and is gay and doesn't find that to be contradictory because I've known a lot of gay people throughout my life and I don't really think that like almost any of them were it was a choice I think that almost all of them they just were born that way I have memories of knowing kids when I was in elementary school that ended up being gay that when they were like eight or nine years old and this is with my extremely primitive understanding of what homosexuality is I knew they were gay when they were eight or nine years old like I could just tell and then we get older and they're gay and I just never thought twice about it like yeah that dude I knew that dude was gay when he was in third grade but it was like what should that person do like a person who you know that that's just their preference and they knew that from their earliest uh memories Like what should they do?

1:08:57If someone's Christian and they have attractions to the same sex, they would just deny those attractions. They just wouldn't act on them. And if someone thinks that that behavior is okay, then I would say that they aren't reading the scripture honestly. Because we have to understand anything that the scripture says is sinful, God's not being a buzzkill. We have to understand that he's not trying to be a buzzkill. And so like my biggest pushback on the homosexual argument that it's okay to be gay and Christian is in the book of Leviticus, the famous verse on homosexuality, Leviticus 1822, it's don't lie with a man, don't lie with a man as a woman and vice versa.

1:09:38People say, oh, well, that's just for temple prostitution and it'd be fine. Well, the whole chapter is about unlawful sexual relations. So if that verse was about temple prostitution, it would have said it. It doesn't say it. But furthermore, they like to cherry pick that verse and say, yeah, well, Leviticus says other stuff that we don't do today. Well, there's different types of laws. This is moral law. So the verse immediately after homosexuality is on bestiality. So I asked him, like, do you think bestiality is okay? And I actually had one guy say he did thought it was okay, which I thought it was insane.

1:10:11But for the most part, for the most part, people are like, no, it's not okay. Right. So I'm like, how are you going to cherry pick what it's right after? Well, I'm going to say the obvious difference between bestiality and homosexuality is that homosexuality is taking place between two consenting adults and then an animal can't consent to sex. Yes, but the scriptural context of the passage is about sexual relations, period. Like if you read further up, it's like, don't look at your daughter nakedly. It's like, don't unclothe your daughter and look at her nakedly in a sexual way. It's like, okay, it's giving descriptions for every nuance possible.

1:10:47But that kind of really it tells you a lot about who was writing this book is that they needed somebody to tell him, hey, don't look at your daughter in a sexual way, which is like, you know, in modern times, you wouldn't really have to tell somebody that. Or it shows you that the same problems and perversions that are in the 21st century existed back then, too, which is kind of crazy. The fact that it needed to be said kind of tells you a lot about the people that were existing at that time is that they were the reason why the Bible needed to exist is because so many of these people were just had no clue.

1:11:16I feel like without religion, people are able to arrive at like a pretty logical moral framework at this point in time. Well, everyone's I believe that God's written a moral code on everyone's heart. So I think everyone has like some general moral compass. But we have to have some sort of standard. Right. So if we don't have a standard, if there is no God, then if, you know, the person that says bestiality is OK and you and I would say it isn't OK, we can't tell that guy that he's wrong because there's no standard. You know what I mean? so like that's that's the biggest pushback and complaint or uh or again you know the lady looked at me and she's like how many times did jesus talk about homosexuality in the bible he didn't talk about homosexual he specifically homosexuality zero times but he didn't talk specifically about bestiality either you know so is it wrong it's like a bad argument jesus talks about sexual immorality that's an umbrella that encompasses everything talked about in that chapter that we repressing her about the same way that like he talks about theft being a sin.

1:12:13He doesn't specifically go, yeah, if you commit grand theft auto, it's a sin. He doesn't explicitly say grand theft auto is a sin, but he says theft is a sin. So that would encompass theft. You know what I mean? So, you know, again, God's not trying to be a buzzkill. So if someone claimed to be Christian and had homosexual attractions, I would just say, deny the attractions. You know, I, I've had, I know people who were in gay relationships and that have left that lifestyle and are either abstaining from relationships. I know some of them that are married to the opposite sex and have children.

1:12:45And it's a beautiful thing because they want to because you're trusting that God's way is better. And so if you think God's way is better than you're willing to deny a feeling, right? Short term gratification for something eternal long term. I guess like for me, I just can't really find the negativity inherent in consenting adults choosing to sleep with the people that they're in love with. Like I've known plenty of gay couples seem like they're perfectly happy together. And I think that the vast majority of them, if they were to deny themselves their sexual interest in other men, it would probably result in some sort of like twisted, perverse behavior.

1:13:23which is why I think that you end up with like the Catholic church having this huge issue with child molestation, which from what I understand is not really an issue anymore because it's sort of been rooted out or they hopefully have like safeguards in place to basically assure that that kind of behavior is not taking place or not possible, that nobody has like the opportunity to really do that sort of thing. But I think that stuff comes from people denying their most basic urges. Like if you're a guy who's like strictly attracted to men and you get into a relationship with a woman, you have to deny your attraction to men for life.

1:13:55I think it just comes out in weird ways that are dramatically worse than them just sleeping with other men. Well, you know, like we got to think if there's diseases that people contract, they're more prominent in homosexual relationships than they are in heterosexual relationships. Like a heterosexual relationship can contract HIV, but it's very dominant in homosexual environments. This is true. And so, you know, the lady yesterday was like, yeah we just need to pass out equipment that makes it safe if they're going to do it and i'm like or they can just stop having gay sex and then it will decrease in those environments you know what i mean so it's like god's not he's protecting us spiritually and physically the way god designed human beings is for a man and a woman to come together that's why the body parts function a certain way that's why the male body parts and the female body parts function a certain way well to be fair gay sex seems like it's it's working for a lot of people yeah maybe maybe working in an emotional high area, but then, you know, they can't, they can't hold in their poop 20 years later and they've got issues going on.

1:14:57So I think, I think there's a lot more problems. I haven't really looked into that. Do you think that does that happen? I'm not trying to be too crude, but yes, that does happen. And so it's like, you know, I think, I think what we define, what the ultimate, like in my mind again, and this isn't even, I'm not even taking a shot. I'll even say this for heterosexual relationships. Like if sex with the same sex or opposite sex is your standard for satisfaction that is a low standard for satisfaction like that is such a temporary hollow way of satisfaction like if my 401k is the feeling i get when i get to be intimate with my significant other that is just an awful satisfaction and way to find significance you know what i mean there's got to be something greater than some dopamine rush you get by having sexual relations with someone just period and and and you know like i i gotta say because we're talking about the homosexual thing like there's a lot of heterosexual sin that happens within christianity as well so like i'm not denying that and there have been many times where people are part of the lgbtq community have been treated as of lesser moral value and i think that's wrong so i do have to clarify that because i don't want people to think I'm like going ham.

1:16:11But like my stance comes from scripture and believing that God has designed us a certain way, made us a certain way, he's protecting us physically and spiritually. And so like when someone is denying their flesh, their desires, they are just trusting that God's way is better. And whatever he has in store is far greater than what we think is better for our life. Yeah. I mean, I definitely agree that the Christian minister who's gay should, that there is an inherent contradiction in his belief, but from my perspective, they should smarten up and realize that this cult don't want you, buddy. You got to get the hell out of there.

1:16:46But I mean, hey, if it's bringing them happiness, I guess it is what it is, right? Yeah, you know, again, like Jesus welcomes everyone. He just doesn't want them to stay in their lifestyle of sin. You know, he doesn't want you to stay there. Every time Jesus confronts a sinner, he forgives them. He says, you know, let your sins be forgiven and then go sin no more, you know. Okay, but so let's say you're walking on the street and you see a church and you hear all these people singing and they're having a great time, everything's positive. And briefly you're like, wow, that's amazing. I didn't know about this church that they love God.

1:17:17That's incredible. And then you go and you look into the door and you see a little placard there. And it basically says that this is a church that's consisting entirely of homosexuals. Does the positivity of them believing in Jesus and loving Jesus, does that outweigh the negativity from your perspective that this is a Christian gathering that is full of people who are comfortable with their sinful lifestyle? Well, I think people are worth more than just whether they're gay or straight. So, you know, it's like if people are, again, living in active sin, so if people are actively living in homosexual lifestyles and this church is affirming active homosexual lifestyles and not, it'd be different If there was a church congregation and there were people who are trying to learn about Jesus or don't know Jesus that are in homosexual relationships and the church and the community is trying to help them grow and get out of that versus a church that's affirming their sin.

1:18:18The church that's affirming their sin, I have a problem with. And I would say they're probably worshiping a different Jesus than I am. Like the church I went to yesterday. She's like, yeah, Jesus loves all people. And I'm like, yeah, he does love all people. but the way you mean that is by allowing people to do whatever they want the way that i mean that is like no he doesn't allow people to do whatever they want you know it's like my dad like i wanted to eat ice cream every morning for breakfast and if my dad let me do that i probably have diabetes by this age right now but like he wasn't being a buzzkill when he was telling me not to eat ice cream every morning for breakfast and so it's like if if the bible says this and that about certain topics or certain issues we just have to again trust that his way is better i feel it I mean, OK, this is one of my primary issues with Christians in this day and age is that I feel like it's kind of a cheap move to be relentlessly critical of people outside of your tent, meaning, you know, talking down about gay people and trans people and people who do porn and all these sort of things, you know, groups of people that for the most part are largely not Christian.

1:19:23but then there's like so much stuff going on within their own house that it feels like gets completely ignored like for instance elephant in the room is that our president presents as a christian is possibly like the least serious christian you could ever think of he's mean he's petty he's cruel he like embodies so much of things that christian that christians should speak out against. And yet I never hear that. And in fact, he's like a hero to them. I mean, I don't know how much of a Trumper you are. And I understand that he's useful to Christians because he does kind of push through a lot of things that they probably want for society.

1:20:02You know, just recently I heard Sam Harris and Ben Shapiro do a debate and Ben Shapiro, who's Jewish, but he's, you know, very, very religious and he's speaking about Trump. And he's basically telling Sam Harris that like, Like, yes, I can agree that this, this and this that he's done are abhorrent. These are horrible things. But this ultimately is the guy who's pushing through things that I think are beneficial for religious people, for people on the right, et cetera. And, you know, I get that. Like, there's a certain extent to which, you know, I would I would vote for somebody who was a crappy overall person if I felt like they were, you know, really working on behalf of things that I thought were important on a legislative level.

1:20:46I don't know. Like, how do you square the whole Trump issue? I mean, when the AI picture came out, I don't know if you saw that. It was like - Oh, yes. That was a huge thing. Yeah. It was him, kind of looking like they took his head and put it on Jesus' body. Yeah. Yeah. I mean - He claimed he was a doctor. Yeah. I mean, I'm just like, really? There's no way that was a doctor. I had a problem with that. And if you're a Christian that supports Trump or not, you should have a problem with that photo, like point blank period. Like that was odd. And so that might be the most I've ever seen Christians speak out against him.

1:21:17But here's the thing about leadership in general, we have to understand is leadership is from any degree, whether a principal or a president, we're humans, we're flawed. We're going to make good decisions and bad decisions. But with the president, we have to pray and hope that he's going to make good decisions, no matter who's in office. So we just have to trust and pray. You know, we get the opportunity to vote in this country, but whoever gets elected, we just have to go, all right, well, that's who God knew was going to be going to be in office. So we're just going to trust. Although Trump took a very different role once the people had voted than almost anybody, which is that he threw a fit and claimed that there was interference with the election, which was basically completely debunked.

1:21:55Yeah. I don't know like a lot about politics. Like I'm not like super deep into politics, but like what I do know is that God cares about our country. God cares about every other country. God cares about the world. And so when people are in positions of power, we don't have to agree with everything that they do, but we just have to, number one, we should be praying for our leaders. Absolutely. We should be praying for our leaders. Number two, we should trust God that he's going to give them wisdom to make the right decisions because we're praying for our leaders. And then number three, we just got to stand up for truth.

1:22:24So like the AI picture, like I have a problem with that. Like you can't tell me that you thought you were a doctor. You're in a white cloth and a red sash did you speak out about that i try i i was gonna make a podcast about it and then like the uh and then i had a bunch of like christian friends already make videos about it that i agreed with and i was just like i'm not gonna like throw my opinion in the pot kind of vibe you know what i mean but like i'm not afraid to talk about we're talking about it right now right it's just like when it became so many people were talking about it and i was like you know i'm gonna give my two cents and i just agreed with my buddy ryan and he made he made a great video so it's just like i'm just gonna it just kind of feels like the easy way out to be a christian content creator and to make episodes about how porn is bad and adultery is bad and then not to take aim and say hey the president is basically on record having slept with a porn star slash prostitute while his wife was pregnant who i interviewed i interviewed the the porn star stormy daniels and uh you know and then to lie about it publicly it's like just so many sins being ticked off here.

1:23:27And for the like Christian content creators to not be like loudly vocal about all of the terrible things that Trump does while speaking out against people who have no institutional power, who are just living, you know, lifestyles that they might consider sinful. I mean, that just feels kind of, kind of shady. Yeah. Again, like I, I don't know like a lot about the political state of the world details and stuff like that. Like I don't keep up with a lot of politics. So like, like on these details, like I wouldn't be able to go bar for bar with you and say like, I can confirm or deny that's true.

1:23:57You know? So I, but I'm just saying in general, any sort of sin should be, should be discussed. You know what I mean? Like we, we interviewed Marina Lacerda. She's a Jeffrey Epstein victim. We interviewed her like two and a half hour interview, I believe. And we're just like letting her lay it all on the table. And she has her own opinions politically and just socially. And then other people have political and social opinions. We've interviewed Hebrew Israelite. We've interviewed tons of different people. They have tons of different opinions and that's fine. You know what I mean? So I wish I knew more about like political stuff and I'm actually trying to learn more about like wars and stuff like that, especially it's going on in the middle East.

1:24:34Cause there's like a lot of buzz about different sides of different things. That's something I'm trying to dive in a lot more on. Cause I learned, I know a lot more Bible and topical stuff. Um, but yeah, Christians should stand up for injustice period. Yeah. I mean like just to throw one more example out there is that It really struck me when they did the huge funeral for Charlie Kirk after he was killed. And Erica Kirk comes out and she's a Christian. And she basically says like, hey, to the guy who killed my husband, I forgive you. Like, I'm a Christian and I believe that, you know, as much as you've committed this horrific act and you've done this terrible thing, I forgive you.

1:25:13And that to me was like a really beautiful speech and really something that was indicative of her being a real deal Christian. and then right after her, Trump gets on stage and he says, hey, she forgives you. I don't. I hate the left. I hate the liberals. I hate the Democrats. And I want to destroy you. And to me, it's just like this is just untenable to have a person who speaks like this in charge of our country. Like, it's just so evil and wicked. And I feel like more Christians need to speak out against that kind of stuff. Yeah. Again, like, I don't know. I don't know, like, too much about politics.

1:25:46I don't I don't I genuinely don't know a lot. I've never seen that. I've only ever seen the video clip of her of Erica Kirk saying, I forgive. Right. And it was a beautiful speech. Incredibly beautiful. And that's like the heart of God. You know, anytime you see anyone like someone's kid murdered or something and on trial and, you know, the family stands up there and it's like, I forgive you. You know, it's powerful. But even like today, like the whole like, you know, Carmelo Anthony situation going on. Like, I don't know anything about it. And it's like this big, it's blown up into this big more than just trial.

1:26:14It's become like a political issue now. Yeah. And like a racial issue. a racial issue you know and if someone if someone if someone asked me to any questions about it i wouldn't know what to say and i tried to look into it but there's so many different opinions i'm like i don't even know what's true and uh so yeah you know again i think injustice needs to be stood up for period you know and i think then the one way we stand up for it the bible says the goodness of god brings man to repentance and that's why when erica cursed like i forgive the shooter it's powerful it's extremely powerful because it's like love wins at the end of the day it really does You would have thought that the powerful nature of her speech would have maybe given Trump pause to not go out and basically send out a war cry, which is what he did afterwards.

1:26:56But I think that's the problem that Christians run into when they allow a charlatan to essentially become the face of their movement. Because, I mean, his his Christianity is so front facedly bullshit. You know, it's just like it's unbelievably clear. It's never been this clear. Like there's been a lot of politicians over the years, like with Obama, I always kind of suspected that like, I don't think this guy really believes in God. He might be paying lip service to it, but I don't think he's really, you know, I think people have written books about like the narrative that like Obama is a sneaky atheist.

1:27:28But with Trump, I mean, it is just right out there for you. I'm sure everybody's seen the viral clip where they ask him to name his favorite Bible verse and he's just blatantly has absolutely no clue. And this is a guy who I don't think has ever admittedly read a book in his life. Even his books that he wrote, he didn't really write. I think when it comes to any sort of Christianity and leadership, we should want Christians in politics. If you're a Christian, you should want them because then they're going to fight for Christian values, rightfully so, in a political sphere as well. But the only person's salvation we can really be sure of is our own.

1:28:05You know, like I, like, cause the Bible says God looks at the heart, you know? So like, yeah, sure. You can look at actions of people in general, but I am always like very cautious to be like, oh, this person is or isn't something me personally. Cause I genuinely don't know what they're doing behind closed doors. I only see videos online. I only see this or vice versa or whatever it may be. But the Bible says in Philippians chapter one, Paul wrote about how if people preach the gospel for selfish gain or they preach the gospel in sincerity, we should just praise Jesus that the gospel is being preached because people are hearing about him regardless, no matter the person's motive.

1:28:42And so our heart should be whether anyone in any sort of position of power is preaching Jesus out of sincerity or out of, you know, selfish gain. At least people are hearing about Jesus because someone could be could be doing it for selfish gain and say something about Jesus. And someone with a sincere heart comes to know Jesus in a sincere way or, you know, anything like that. Yeah, I mean, I don't want to be too cynical or anything, but I feel like it's almost like convenient for you to not be super familiar with the Trump thing because you know that if you were to take aim at Trump and speak out against some of the things that he does, that it would probably be a bad thing for your career overall because probably like 90 % plus of your fans are people who are Trump supporters, I would think.

1:29:28Might not be quite that much. but well no well i gotta i gotta shut that down really quick because it's just genuinely i don't know anything about it like i i don't want to say something that i'm not confident on you know so like it's just like if i don't know something i'm just gonna be like yeah i don't know but like i know about the ai photo so i'm like yeah i'm perfectly fine with talking about that that was kind of right in everybody's face yeah yeah i saw that that's fine but like with all the other stuff like i genuinely i don't watch the news i don't watch a lot of stuff i read a lot of books i study a lot of commentary.

1:29:57I'm in a lot of like biblical sources. I'm not looking at political stuff. So that's like why, like we talk about it all the time. Like we'll go on a college campus and debate kids about stuff and a Bible all day. But if someone brings up something that's like slightly political, I can't go bar for bar because I just don't know anything. I don't know statistics. I don't know the size. You could say something. And I'm like, yeah, maybe that's right. I don't know. You know, so like, it's not necessarily that I'm like trying to shy down from truth. Like if even when Biden was in office, like I didn't know anything that was going on.

1:30:24like I genuinely didn't know anything that was going on other than like I know that he fell off his bike you know like I saw that video like that was it and it was like kind of funny so yeah no you are very young also so I'm gonna give you a lot of grace in that regard because I know that when I was 22 my knowledge of politics was pretty weak and I do feel like in this day and age it's like much more common for people in their early 20s to be very very well versed in politics because politics is basically pop culture at this point and I mean especially with the rise of Trump it's just it's in your face.

1:30:53It's become a meta now. Politics has become really popular. But I one of the reasons I actually there is a slightly intentional part of me that stays away from politics, not that being educated on it, but it's going to divide your audience. Well, no, not necessarily dividing your audience. People are dividing themselves just because you support a certain political party or not. And I'm like, OK, so I didn't know that we could just start hating each other because we disagree on a topic. Like, is that really where we like draw the line? is like you you hate someone because they like disagree with what political parties were like that is just absolutely absurd to me yeah that we're gonna hate people just because we disagree like disagreeing with people is fine like who cares like that's fine that's like a part of you in nature we're all hardwired differently we all have different perspectives we all have different ideologies philosophies the way that we think of course we're gonna disagree on things even amongst my christian friends some of them are a part of different denominations some of our theological differences are there but like that doesn't mean i hate them right i mean we disagree on stuff but like we're here talking and i love you to death i've texted you a ton of times like i i don't hate you you know what i mean so that's like why i'm like i don't hyper fixate on the politics from that side is because i'm like why would we hate each other for something stupid like that it's just that a lot of the people who are spreading the most hate are doing so under the guise of Christianity.

1:32:17And I'm not saying at all that like the left is innocent into this because obviously there's tons of terrible behavior that comes from the left as well. But when you have somebody like Trump who presents and claims to be a Christian and then when Rob Reiner dies, he hops on social media and basically does a little dance and celebrates his death. It just stands out to me that like we should have way more outcry about that from Christians. Was that the thing that just happened last week? It was probably a couple months ago, but he was basically like a huge movie director and he had spoken out against Trump and been pretty vocally against him.

1:32:52But personally, you know, and I'm a non-Christian, but if my biggest critic died, I think I would have the grace to maybe not say anything or maybe find if you do have to say something, you know, say something that shows some grace and shows that like as much as you might have disagreed during your life that this is still somebody who, you know, in their passing, you want to be responsible. of their friends and their children and everything like that by not absolutely just massacring them and with Trump. I mean, like, I've just never seen anything like that in my life in American politics. Somebody who's, like, really celebrating the death of their enemy like that.

1:33:29And it stands out to me that the person who's doing that, who's normalizing that kind of behavior, is the most powerful Christian in the world. And I just feel like the Christian community needs to speak out about that. Well, hypothetically, the most powerful Christian in the world is the Pope. True. I would say Trump's probably Trump can drop a nuke tomorrow if he wants. He could click a he could click a button, but then the Diet Coke might come. Yeah. I know both of the buttons are really close together. That's so funny. OK, wait, this is my my last topic I wanted to hit. How did you get a Nicki Minaj interview?

1:34:03Everybody in hip hop wants a Nicki Minaj interview. The vast majority of hip hop platforms have never got a chance to have a conversation with her. How did how did you line that up? um well we so i have a friend and uh i don't know if he wants me to say his name so i'm not gonna say his name but i have a friend and i knew that he had a relationship with nikki and so i just reached out to him and i said hey um like would it be possible to get nikki on the pod and he said yeah i'll ask her and apparently she had seen some of our videos before and she liked our voice and liked the stuff that we stood for and so she agreed to come on and i was nervous because we've never interviewed anyone with that kind of like status or level or anything.

1:34:44Famous beyond belief. So I didn't know like what would happen. And I absolutely love Nicki Minaj. She's the best. I had so much fun hanging out with her and talking with her. And I was actually like nothing really crazy. I just reached out to a buddy that knew her and I was like, hey, do you want to like come on the pod? And he was like, yeah, I can talk to her because she doesn't do a lot of pods. She's done a lot of press and stuff like that. and we got the gracious opportunity to interview her and I was extremely encouraged. She had a lot of wisdom. She was very well spoken and she was super fun to be around, fun to talk to.

1:35:18Yeah, we had a great time. So that was a blast. Nicki Minaj is the best. I love her. She's awesome. Yeah. Cause like if she were to do an interview with me, I would probably ask questions that would make it so that I couldn't get an interview with her because I mean, she is someone who's had kind of a wild path of career development over the last few years where I feel like she's kind of another example of somebody who's like come over to Christianity and well I mean I guess she's always been Christian but like she's become a lot more vocal about it but then meanwhile I feel like I just see so much really like deeply anti-Christian behavior coming from her in the public realm them well again like that's where i would say right like you've only ever seen like an outward thing of something for nikki so like this is where i can like vouch from her from spending time with her on camera off camera in person it's like she's someone that deeply cares about jesus someone that cares about herself wants to grow in a new realm wants to step in a new space furthermore i will say in the interview if you watch the interview she kind of she randomly brought up how she like wishes she didn't write certain songs or didn't promote certain things and i didn't insinuate that she brought that up.

1:36:31And I was like, wow, that's like actually really admirable that you would just randomly bring that up and say that. And so the hard thing about social media is like you can only get a glimpse of someone's life. That would be like someone making up every opinion about you based on every video they've seen of you on social media. And like, that wouldn't be fair to you either. But she genuinely loves Jesus and she's passionate about Jesus. And she was just so fun to be around and people grow and people adapt and people change. People realize that Jesus is all they need. And especially if you are someone that has had everything you want, it's pretty easy to make a decision going, wow, I think Jesus is just the answer in my life.

1:37:09Right. And I give her forgiveness for a lot of the wild stuff that she's done over the years. But I mean, the thing that really sticks with me, and I think it meant a lot to a lot of people in general too was that when she went on twitter and basically said that cardi b's children who are extremely young were monkeys and roaches that just struck me i was like how could you possibly expect us to take you serious in a conversation about your faith while you're on twitter like this is like a year ago it was like a couple years ago at most and you're out here saying like the worst most offensive thing i could possibly think about about a child like i I forget how old her kid would have been at the time, maybe like four or something.

1:37:49I mean, to me, that's just like she's got the same problem as Donald Trump, which is that she's one of the loudest voices in favor of Christianity. And she's out here doing and saying things that are like deeply evil, like way more evil than like any like high powered Democrat or like, you know, atheist that I can think of. Well, you know, we it's easy to hold it against her because she's in the spotlight a lot. But, you know, and I'm not saying that necessarily that comment was right, but that goes to show the beauty and the grace and the love of Jesus, how it can transform and change people's hearts and minds.

1:38:20But she was Christian when she said that. And well, here's the thing that we have to understand, right? Is what does it mean to be a Christian? What does it mean to follow a Christian? I would have told you before I actually started following Jesus that I was a Christian up until about the eighth grade. And then I realized why I wasn't a Christian. So I can't speak for her. But what I do know is of the recent time, she's become bold about Jesus. She's become on fire about Jesus. She loves God. She's passionate about it. She wants to step into a new realm and space. And so what we have to hope and trust is the work of Jesus in our life and believe, thank you for the grace of Jesus.

1:38:52Thank you from where God has taken us from then to now. And just trust that and hope for forgiveness on the mistakes we've made. Because I've said a bunch of crazy stuff before. I've done a bunch of wicked stuff, stuff that isn't documented online. Praise Jesus. I've done bad stuff. And that might make me unqualified. And that's the point. I'm not even qualified to sit here across from you and talk about what it's like to be a Christian. And I talk about Jesus for a living every day. It's like, I'm deeply not qualified because I've made mistakes too. But the grace of God is what has allowed me and transformed me from different mistakes.

1:39:26And yeah, some of my mistakes may be on my digital footprint for the rest of my life, but Jesus has changed my life. And if I've run into people I've burned before, I would be able to love them hard. Give me an example of something that you feel like you messed up as far as in recent memory like maybe like the last year a sin that you committed or something that you did that you ended up really looking at yourself like that I regret that was outside the realm of things that should be permissible in my lifestyle I had a gluttony problem okay yeah I failed and like I was on that I was on a big fitness journey last year and then in about like October or November I like gave up and I just started of eating like crazy again and gained a bunch of weight and just was like really down on myself and then uh like my wife had made like a couple comments that was like hey you know like you're i think you're like getting a little weight back that's always a tricky thing for them to navigate right because they don't want to fully body shame you but they want to say something i'm like it's like i don't know if you're healthy right now you know i remember it hid she was like you look she was like you look skinny fat and that's like the worst kind of fat is when you're skinny fat you know and then i was like what and then i looked at myself in the mirror one day and i realized i had like lost myself and the gluttony had overflowed in a lot of different stuff like dude i went to crumble cookie and ate 12 crumble cookies by myself aren't they like a thousand calories without leaving the parking lot yes without leaving the parking lot i'm not exaggerating i ate six of the big ones and six of the small ones so the small ones definitely had less but 12 crumble cookies i keep seeing articles about how crumble cookies like really kind of push the envelope of how much calories and sugar you can cram into a product have a soda like a dirty soda lineup and their sodas have 186 grams of sugar in it wow one of them it's insane they're like the one startup that like figured out hey like we could just take this way further than anybody has ever taken it before i'm never figuring that out because i wouldn't have known that yeah i would i would not have known that either but i had a bad gluttony problem man and like A gluttony is not damaging to anybody besides yourself.

1:41:33Yes, but it was overflowing into other behaviors. Gluttony is an excessive overload of stuff in general, often associated with food. So mine was, I'm talking specifically about food, but I noticed I was becoming lazier, less sharp. I was procrastinating. So it was overflowing into other areas of my life. And I'm sitting there looking at myself in the mirror going, how can I tell people to get right with God if I'm not even taking care of myself right now? Physically, I'm just not taking care of myself. I was slapping God in the face by saying, yeah, I'm not grateful for my body. I'm just going to eat whatever I want, do whatever I want.

1:42:05Yeah, because that's the irony of getting fat feels like you're betraying yourself because you obviously know that you want to live a good life, but you also want to live a long life. And that if you gain 100 pounds, then you're chopping a few years off the end of your life on average. And so it's kind of – it is weird how much we conflate being physically fit with being happy or a good person or anything like that. I have like a BMX hero that I looked up to when I was in my young teenage years. And I just recently saw a video of him and he blatantly gained like, I don't know, like 80 pounds or something like that.

1:42:40Got a big old tire around his waist now. And I just found myself like thinking like, what's wrong? Like, I know something's got to be wrong that you ended up like this, which I don't hold myself to the same standard, I guess. So it's kind of hypocritical, but definitely, you know, it's interesting how much we entrust that somebody's body fat is basically telling you the story of how well they're doing in life in general. Yeah, it is kind of crazy. Yeah. Yeah. So that was a big, big mistake I had been making. And that was something I had felt ashamed of. But that change, you know? Yeah. So here we are now healthy, living life, working out, eating cleaner.

1:43:21Definitely. That kind of deal. So who's your other like dream guests that you'd like to have on the podcast? I'm sure Nikki was up there for a while before you got her. Yay. Yay's up there. I definitely want to talk to him. Obviously, we'd talk to any world leaders, not just like President Trump or the vice president. Like I'd literally talk to anyone. I really want to interview an Islamic terrorist. Wow. That's like a big guest I want to interview. Usually they end up in prison for life once they're captured. So that would be interesting. I'm not sure how you'd be able to pull that off. But my ultimate guess is Diddy.

1:43:56Wow. Yeah. I want to interview Diddy really bad. If I'm Diddy, I'm probably not letting you interview me. Why is that? Well, actually, okay. No, I take that back. Actually, I probably would because I feel like, you know, you're somebody who you're not going to start rattling off a list of all the most heinous things that you've done or whatever. You're going to be nice. You're going to be sort of vague about it. You're going to, you know, acknowledge that he's sinned. You're not going to go into extreme detail about it. But he's one of like he's got a lot to atone for. He's he's one of the few people that I like know a little bit more about, like in like, I guess, like whatever you call pop culture or whatever's going on in society that I would be like able to like maybe ask Carter questions and press on more.

1:44:40But I definitely want to talk to P. Diddy really bad. Yeah. I mean, he will be free in a year or two. So definitely a possibility. Yeah. Yeah. I definitely want to talk to him. I think that would be a dream. Yeah. I mean, he lived from what I could tell the vast majority of his love of his life doing very extreme amounts of drugs while also having extreme amounts of sex with very large numbers of people. so I mean probably if I'm him I'm not really like lining up to do a lot of interviews with Christian influencers but at some point he's going to have a pivot in all this you know like he's going to make his way I believe he's essentially like a genius at some point I hope that when he gets out he leaves the orgies and the huge amounts of drugs behind which I think is pretty likely that he will do so because if anything is going to scare you straight it's probably all the stuff that he's been through over the last couple years i mean i just don't know how you can like ignore the amount of baby oil they found at his house i do sometimes think that that probably was overstated but also like the pictures though right but if you're gonna use baby oil when having sex which i don't but i mean i guess i film like baby oil scenes or whatever so i get it but like if you're gonna buy one bottle might as order 500 bottles just to have it on debt you probably get a better price you're not paying eight bucks a bottle you're paying 749 dude for a discount 50 cent discount for 500 compared to not it's just a guess but also he's a billionaire so yeah if he was stressing that you know yeah i like i just like i don't care that's a questionable amount of uh baby oil if you get to interview him though like number one question is not is that's not allowed is going to be like bruh what's with the baby will you know that's like the first thing that comes to my mind i know but if i'm him like that's the number one question i do not want somebody to ask because that's the ultimate like easy gotcha moment wait did nikki minaj ask you to edit anything out of the podcast no no no no nothing it was raw we if there's any like jump cuts in in the episode it's like we'll cut like a like a um or a pause or something just like keep the flow but i noticed that that there were a few little cuts but i also could tell that it wasn't anything significant yeah yeah i get people that do podcasts like you know you would be able to tell like it was some significant conversation just immediately jumps to some completely different thing yeah yeah but nothing was cut for sure okay so to the no jumper audience who might have somehow accidentally landed on this there's probably a decent number of people watching this who are not sworn christians or or people who are you know nominally religious so they say that they're christians but realistically don't probably spend a ton of time thinking about it or talking about it what would be your message for them in terms of what you would like to see them do going forward.

1:47:34If they wanted to get more serious about their Christianity or just become Christian in the first place, here's your time. Tell them what they should do. I would say pray and ask Jesus to reveal yourself. Honestly, like go into your room, pray and ask Jesus to reveal yourself. And then number two, actually take 30 days to live like a Christian. Read your Bible, pray, go to church, spend time in community, live 30 days following Jesus. And I just give it 30 days. Just try it from a practical sense. But Jesus welcomes everyone with open arms and he doesn't take your personality away. He gives you your personality back.

1:48:10He gives you purpose. He gives you design. He gives you everything. And so everything that you're looking for that you haven't found everywhere else, you'll find Jesus. So you just got to give him a shot. So for anybody who watched this, if you want more, he's got a great YouTube channel uh our interview i think i think is one of the most highly viewed ones that you love it love it if i go to a conference and stuff like the the hype video like that like a church conference will play they'll play one of our video clips in it a lot of the times yeah that that our our conversation still to this day it's one of my favorite conversations i've ever had oh i appreciate it that's why we got to do it twice that's right come on let's go so if everybody watches this wants to they could uh dive into that and probably pick up a little bit more of uh what's going on with our dynamic or anything but i appreciate you coming on man and i'm glad that we uh can have some mutual respect even though we're definitely operating on different sides of the coin yeah absolutely i love you a lot man love you too bro dude thank you right thank you my guy everybody go check out his youtube channel uh no jumper coolest podcast world like comment and subscribe and shout out to our members who got to watch this live appreciate you man thank you bro