Charleston White's First No Jumper Interview! Crip Mac, 4xtra, Lena The Plug & More

24:43I kind of know what they do. They hang out in the neighborhood. Well, you sound like most typical arrogant white man that try to look for niggas from up there. See, you didn't grow up down here to really know. You're making speculations. Well, I'm making observations based on my life experience. Well, your life experience don't fit into the black spectrum because you're looking from afar with binoculars. I think most people would say the last 10 years of my life, I've been pretty deeply emerged in the black experience. When the last time you sat at a black table and ate black food in a black household?

25:15I have been to restaurants with black people. I didn't ask you. We don't go over to people's houses out here. There you go. So you don't know niggas. You don't know black people. You have to go to their house to know them? Yes. Yes. Yes. If you don't go into a person's home, a person's village, how can you know their culture? In L.A., we don't really go to people's houses. L.A. ain't black. It's Mexican. We got a lot of Mexicans. We got a lot of blacks, too. Yeah. We got whites, too. So basically what I'm saying is you really don't know black people just listening and talking to you. Just because I haven't been to their house to eat dinner?

25:41No, no, no, no. So we can't just like go to Denny's? Well, this is what I'm saying. You say observation, but where are you observing from? Going to people's neighborhoods, doing vlogs and shit. There you go. So you go into their neighborhood and you figure these guys is hopeless, but they got their cameras on. It's not like I think they are hopeless. I think they feel hopeless. No, they don't feel hopeless. They feel good. They feel high because most guys are high. Most guys are on drugs. And when you get drunk and you get high, the hopelessness that you feel goes away. I mean, if you're a 16-year-old kid smoking weed and numbing yourself all day, you're not hopeless.

26:13You're not hopeless. You're having fun. It's probably because you feel good. No, it's not. You're having fun. Most kids are experimental. Yeah, but you're having fun in the moment by doing something that's kind of separating you from the more long-term opportunities. It's fun getting high, guys. Right. If you start popping perks every day in high school, you're not probably on the path to becoming a lawyer, right? Well, that has nothing to do with you coming on the path to becoming a lawyer. You're not hopeless if you're getting high every day. For one, you got money to get high. So how can you be hopeless and you got money to get high?

26:38There's a lot of ways to get high that are pretty inexpensive. Well, if you can get high, you're not hopeless. You're doing what you want to do. I would say getting high makes you, it leaves you just as hopeless as you would be otherwise. When you're hopeless, suicide is on the option not getting high. When you're hopeless, suicide is on the option not getting high. Getting high is for recreation. A lot of drugs are kind of like strong out suicide, right? No, no, no. If you start doing fentanyl every day, isn't the end result you dying? I know some motherfuckers going to get high every day with fentanyl.

27:04They want the 50-odd that's going to make them die and come back to life like Michael Jackson was doing every night. Michael Jackson was loving doing that profile and coming back. It's a motherfucker want the hair run and go almost called the overdose. That's where they're going to go buy it from. They want the deadly dope. It ain't because you're depressed and hopeless. You want to feel good. This is what you like to do. You enjoy the feeling. Come on, man. It's called choices and decisions. Your conditions don't determine your choices. But a rational father is not going to sit around and do Percocets all day because he feels like he has an opportunity and he has important things to do.

27:41Those are the things that stop people from just sitting around doing drugs. I know some guys get high every day and get up and go to work. I know some white boys shoot dope, do perks, smoke crack, do cocaine, and they're the best goddamn lawyers you can find. So I do know some fathers get high every day. I know some mothers come home from teaching school, fix the kids food, get high and drunk every day. And she's a loving mother. Isn't the kid or the career a reason to not get that high? Nope. It's hard to be a good dad if you're getting fucked up every day. I know some motherfuckers get uploaded.

28:10We watched a real-life movie of an airplane where Denzel Washington was a pilot getting high every day. Turned the plane upside down, landed the motherfucker perfect, then got high to go to the court hearing. Flight. Real-life shit. Snakes on a plane. No, no, no, no, no. This is a real-life story. It's a real-life story of a real pilot who went to jail, served time, got high, got high again to get normal. And some people have to operate in their normalcy, getting high, and they are functional at this. Well, I spent most of my life smoking shitloads of weed, and I've been very successful. We're not talking about you, though.

28:43We're not talking about you. No, I just spent most of my life smoking weed. But you've been smoking a lot of weed since you've been successful, right? I've been smoking weed, yeah, since I've been successful. And you've been able to manage it. However, I somehow think that if you started snorting fentanyl every day that you'd probably have a harder time managing it. I don't know. I know people that snort fentanyl. I know people that get high. And those are probably the people who are able to do it to some sort of level that isn't going to destroy their lives. There's a such thing that you learn if you understand alcoholism and drug addiction.

29:07There are such things as functional addicts. Most people are functional addicts. So, yeah. Even functional fentanyl? Yeah. Yeah. You could do a reasonable amount. And a lot of people don't. I think I would have a hard time doing this job if I was doing fentanyl every day, but I could probably work at Amazon. Well, I'm from most fentanyl addicts die in a short period of time. Yeah. Or Kodak Black Nimb ain't dead yet. He say he's f***ing with the fake perks. It's fentanyl and everything. It's fentanyl and everything. So any hard drugs you're doing, nigga, I know a motherfucker been doing hard drugs 40, 50 years.

29:42Yeah, that's why you never see a crackhead or die. I ain't seen a fentanyl, nigga, die yet. It's more like they die and nobody really cares that much. I ain't found a nigga died of fentanyl yet. I don't know one person that I can personally say, yeah, they had an overdose of fentanyl. And I know nigga pop pill like crazy. I know plenty of people. I don't know any. I don't know any. A bunch of rappers on this podcast. Lil' Pete died for taking fake zans. Yeah, yeah. I call bullshit. I say he died. Yeah, yeah. I say he died to die beat. I call bullshit. All right. So what is Nojumper's involvement in this?

30:13Please tell me what I need to be doing better as a person who is making money off of the black community. You're very successful at what you're doing. I wouldn't suggest that you change and switch up nothing because this shit is working for you. Okay, but you want to destroy the gang community. So you're seeing Nojumbo as being affected at that? I ain't got nothing with the gang community. I got problems with my gangbangers in my city. What y 'all do in California don't mean shit to me. And for the record, I think the position of the average LA gangbanger is not like, oh, Texas gangbangers, they're goofy as f***ing.

30:43It might be like, to a certain extent, it might be like, oh, y 'all do things that we don't do or y 'all don't beef the same way that we beef. They might have some opinions about that. But in my time, I never heard somebody from LA be like, Like, oh, every gang member from Houston or Dallas is goofy as fuck. That's not the attitude. I have. I've heard them say it on here. I've heard them say it on here. I've heard them say, oh, y 'all are not doing it right. I done heard Gumby say it. I can go live. This is what I'm saying to America. But Gumby's the one who's calling motherfuckers out from Texas because he just feels like they're doing it wrong.

31:15I agree with Gumby. I agree with Gumby. You niggas are frauds. You niggas ain't real because I grew up watching the culture. I grew up watching the culture. ain't nobody came from L.A. and put these niggas down. L.A. came to use us and play on us, and when they got through, they left. Didn't no real niggas really come out there and put nothing down. Homie, we was a country town that didn't know nothing about gangbanging until we saw the movie Colors. Boothnose came out here, had some relatives, brought some rolling 60 niggas out there. The Skyline Piru niggas went out there, but ain't no real Crips went to Texas and put nobody down, my nigga.

31:55Fort Worth was one of the first cities before Houston and Dallas to gangbang. San Antonio had some real L.A. niggas go. OKC. But, nigga, Fort Worth, Texas, not all my nigga, them country boys. We had posses, nigga, fighting at the skating rink. So I'm telling these, nigga, ain't none of y 'all real. If you ain't came up here and got put on. You got to go all the way over here? That's pretty, like, unrealistic for the average game member. Say, if you ain't a real Muslim until you done took your pilgrimage to Mecca, like Malcolm. You just a jailhouse Muslim, nigga. If you're going to make it out here, it's going to cost you at least, let's say,$1 ,500.

32:31That's kind of out of the realm of possibility for the average news. Oh, get on your Greyhound bus and come get that ass kicked up here. Book that Greyhound bus ticket, take that week drive. Those same dudes who do that go viral and get clowned for coming to LA and getting beat into a set by people that they don't know and that they're never going to see again. Well, think about this, though. When it happens, sure. You getting clowned when you go to prison by your family members for representing a street in the color that you don't even know where to go walk on. You got all this shit tattooed on you.

32:59Five dudes who... You can't even go walk on them people's streets, nigga. I ain't never been on the streets. You can't even go up there and mention it. You go... Nigga, you can't even mention it. And if you go to the feds and you from Texas and you get out that Texas car and go get in that Crippin' Blood car, you a goof troop. Nigga, they gonna use you. Nigga, you a mule. You a holder. Nigga, nah, nigga. So everybody looking at you crazy and stupid. You roll in 60, but you can't go up there. And you're gonna die for this. You're gonna hurt your mama for this. You're gonna abandon your kids for this.

33:30And you ain't got no lineage to it. Nigga, that didn't make sense to me when I started thinking as a logical thinking man. For sure. Yeah, joining a gang is pretty illogical for most people. If you're a young kid who's trying to not get his ass whipped walking home from school, I guess I get it, but carrying that into your adulthood is probably not a great idea. That's when most of us get in there as a boy. Yeah. They clown anyone who doesn't. You join a gang when you're in your 20s, they go ruthlessly clown you. So you mean to tell me, nigga, you still have the same values, the same morals and affirmation and affection that you have at 15 and 16 and 50?

34:04Definitely not. I don't. So that's why I look at these niggas as being mentally retarded. Even just the notion of hood hop and the idea that you join a gang when you're 16 and then all of a sudden you're 21 and you realize, oh, the gang I joined, those dudes are a bunch of busters. I want to join this other gang, hang out with these other people. If you do want to be in a gang, even just that, the idea that five years later you can't change your mind about who you want to hang out with is it puts gangbanging into the realm of like fantasy like this is just they'll destroy you on the internet if you switch hoods you destroy gangbanging culture with your podcast I didn't but just what shining light on it you gave light to an unlitten world and nigga to get on here to see none of them have a business mind None of them can talk about...

34:52Some of them certainly. Well, I've been watching you for years. Look at Black Sam. Black Sam will have a business mind. That's something Nipsey built. He just happened to be running. But they didn't get that far with Nipsey. Black Sam's taken it into reality. If Nipsey wouldn't have died, they wouldn't have it this far. Nah, I bet they'd be further ahead. I doubt it. I mean, shit, if they had this giant billboard of a human being, this guy who was promoting their shit at every time. Well, you got to think. Diddy had control of him, so how good he would have been. Diddy had control of Nipsey? Who had the album done?

35:21Who done that victory album? I don't know. I don't think I ever heard their names together. Well, there's a video of them clapping together. He told me, hey, maybe y 'all quit clapping. Uh-huh. So you tell me, had he not died, this wouldn't be what it is. The marathon wouldn't be what it was. You don't think? I know so. Really? Because when he was alive, he didn't get this same support from L.A. That is true. He didn't have this same support with Fatburger in the marathon store when he was alive. You mean Marathon Burger? Fatburger is a something. Yeah, well, he had a fat burger right there. Didn't Nip have the fat burger right there in that store?

35:54In that corner, in that square? Yeah, they took me there. They took me on a tour there. He owned a fat burger? That's what I was told, with the pictures and everything in there. So that's where the idea of the Marathon Burger came from. So you tell me, if it wasn't for his death, where would the support come from? Just him as a person. He had just gone on the cover of GQ. That was a big part of why it was such a tragedy. Because he was reaching a whole new level. I was living here in L.A. at the time. I didn't hear his music playing on the radio. Yeah, but it was growing. And a lot of people from the hood especially will tell you that he was the sound of their adolescence.

36:28Yeah, nah. For me, on Melrose, hanging out with the SoundCloud rappers, though, for sure, ain't nobody was listening. The day of his passing, I could have named one song. Yeah. The day of his funeral, I knew the whole Victory Lap album. But there's a million rappers in Texas like that, too, where you guys all know all their songs. And then meanwhile, we don't know what the f*** is going on. It don't matter, they're not dead. Right. They don't have a burger store. But usually when people die, their legend status kind of goes up, right? Pop Smoke didn't. His music did, but his legend status didn't.

36:54Yeah, right. Pop Smoke is an icon. You go to New York, they got murals everywhere. His music is. The music, too. But when you say his music went up, but Pop Smoke is not an icon. His music is. Maybe not on the level of Nipsey, but I think he's an icon. DMX died. He didn't go up. I mean, I would say DMX. Toby died. He didn't go up. But DMX also died after being basically like a public drug addict for like 20 years. No matter. Nipsey didn't have that kind of experience. So did Whitney Houston. Right. She died a drug addict. And she would probably be mourned in a more serious way if she hadn't been a public drug addict.

37:29So what I'm saying is you don't get the same support just because you die. But a lot of people, their legend status increases because of that. You know, Jay-Z, we've kind of, Jay-Z, Gucci Mane, we've got to see these guys become old heads and make embarrassing decisions that taint their legacies. So we got to watch them. Nipsey didn't get a chance to do that. What did Jay-Z make? I just think overall Rock Nation's kind of viewed as like a bully apparatus. I think people view a lot of his stances on capitalism as being hypocritical. I think that he's kind of proven himself as maybe not having the best taste in rappers.

38:02And he on the Epstein file. He signed LaRussell. That's kind of a black mark on his legacy. Yeah, and he on the Epstein file list. Well, there you go, yeah. I don't really think there's much to that, but yeah, that's not the best look. Foxy Brown said she was fucking her when she was underage. I think that is not true. She didn't say that, right? She did say that. I swear to God she said it. It was in one of them Source magazine interviews. Nah. She said the boy had a horse dick. You want the fact check? Did Foxy Brown say Jay-Z? He said horse dick. He said boy had a horse dick. A horse dick. I feel like I would have heard about that.

38:36You're not in tune with the culture. You just got hip in the last 10 years. You were a straight white boy. I'm pretty in tune. 15, 20 years ago. In the 90s, you were a straight white boy. I went back and watched some of my old videos. Straight white boy. Yeah. The top white boy. Top rank. I already know. That's how you got over with it. There are no verified public statements where Foxy Brown clearly and directly said that Jay-Z had sex with her when she was underage. Sure it is. What site you saw? ChatGPT. Oh, man. I don't believe shit ChatGPT said. ChatGPT is the culmination of all human knowledge.

39:07It mixes lies with truth and inaccurate information. We're living in information age, so ChatGPT will not give you accurate information. Don't trust you. It definitely told me some inaccurate shit. It's wrong sometimes. But as far as something big as Foxy Brown making that claim. If 1997, 98, man, she made a claim. Nigga Jay-Z, all of them were fucking with underage girls at the time. R. Kelly, dang dash. This was known in the industry. Actually, recently in 2024, Foxy again denied that claim. Man, it ain't fake news. She'll come back later and say it, but they all were doing it. This is what you're referring to.

39:44A lot of the rumors trace back to a 2013 gossip report claiming that Foxy allegedly said that she lost her virginity to Jay-Z at 15 when he was 27. Foxy has publicly denied that story and threatened legal action calling it fictitious. I'm saying it right now. She done got paid out, man. There's no victim. She done got paid out. But she's not a victim. And hey, that's a total possibility. But if we don't have evidence, then what are we really going on? Well, they all were doing it. So there's really no victims because they all did it. R. Kelly didn't have no victims. No, there's tons of victims.

40:15They made a whole documentary about them. They did? No. He didn't get convicted of none of that. He got convicted of some RICO shit. Mafia type charges. Is that true? Very much so. I never heard that. But, okay, I almost forgot that I was dealing with a pretty hardcore conspiracy theorist, which I just was watching. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I was just watching you talking to Sean Cotton about how the world is flat and all this type of shit. I never said the world flat. I said the world round. Okay, he actually said that he thinks. I made the world round. No, he thinks the moon landing is fake.

40:40You guys both agree that space is fake. Oh, I didn't say space was fake. I said I think the ocean is space. Okay, that space is the ocean. Yeah. To me, I feel like you're kind of doing a disservice to your overall message by saying stuff like that. I don't have a message. I don't have a message. Well, you do whether you want to or not. I've never had a message. My message was— The culmination of everything you say is your message. Hey, y 'all, I'm a character. This is not the real me. I want to take y 'all back to my second Say Cheese TV interview. I said, say, man, it sounds like y 'all falling for the macking in the conversation.

41:13I'm just playing the character. Half the shit I say, I don't mean or believe. But isn't that something for you to just kind of fall back on when you find yourself in unfriendly territories as a podcaster? I've touched millions. I stay in unfriendly territory, and ain't nobody done nothing. I intentionally disrespect dead people's kids. So ain't nobody. Everybody I done disrespect, I done been in their faith, and I never bowed down. Right. I told y 'all I'm playing the character. But when you take on your more extreme stances like that. I make a million. Right, but like, you know, make fun of somebody's dead kid.

41:40I do make fun of it. What you going to do about it? I made fun of your dead fucking kid. What you going to do? Well, I could do that too, but what do I gain from that? But what you mean? I like to do it. You like to make fun of dead kids? I love it. But how do you justify that? Easy. Same reason white people justify slavery. Not this white person? Well, you make an observation. But white people also eliminated slavery in America. No, they didn't. Well, yeah, they did. No, they didn't. They had a whole war. No, they didn't. They didn't eliminate slavery. You must don't know the 14th Amendment. it.

42:08Slavery was a thing and then slavery stopped being a thing. And the X factor in between that was a war in America. No, it wasn't. That was over states' rights. That wasn't over slavery. Right. States' rights to have slaves. No, no, no, no, no. It wasn't over states' rights. That was over the states saying the federal government can't tell us anything. Had nothing to do with slaves. Right. But slavery was kind of the biggest issue in that regard. No, it didn't. It had nothing to do with slavery. It had states' rights. The same thing we're fighting over now. The federal government can't infringe upon no state's rights.

42:35Had nothing to do with slavery. Why? Because slavery was never abolished except you've been duly convicted of a crime. Maybe you should read the 14th amendment. You really want me to do this? I'm asking you to. Was slavery abolished? Slavery was abolished except you've been duly convicted of a crime. Yes. Chattel's slavery was legally abolished in most countries over the 19th and 20th centuries. I didn't even narrow it down to the U.S. He said most countries, American slavery, the 14th Amendment abolished slavery except what? You've been duly convicted of a crime. It was abolished through the 13th Amendment.

43:10Duly convicted of a crime. Go to the 14th. Right. But I don't think that the fact that we have prisons necessarily takes away from the fact that we abolish slavery, right? I mean, prisons offer a different role in society and every country has prisons. So why do they have private prisons? with private investors who make money off free labor. Because they think that private corporations are able to provide these services more efficiently. They don't think, I would suggest you go back and read your amendments, huh? Right. So you have private prison. So why is the private industry and why is prison on the stock market?

43:45But why are private enterprises able to perform almost every task in business more efficiently than government-owned corporations? Say that again. Don't you think McDonald's is better fit to serve cheap burgers than if the U.S. were to create their own burger chain. And I'm not necessarily defending private prisons. I'm just saying it's logical why they exist. You just said how does slavery goes into the prison system? Slavery has to do with what? No, I actually think they're two totally different things. Free labor, right? Slavery is free labor. Yeah. For somebody making money. So you have the government, you have the sheriff's department, you have the state who owns prisons, right?

44:21And they put people to work. You're paying your dues. You pay your dues to society. Why did the private industry, private sector of business get into the prison and take it to the stock market where slaves was once on the stock market? Before there were stocks, there were slaves. It's the same reason that people choose to use UPS instead of the Postal Service. Well, like the typical white boy. Let's go to the next question. I see how you're looking at it. But what am I saying that's wrong? Private corporations are able to provide services more efficiently than the government. So I went to school to study law at Texas Wesleyan University.

44:54it's a reason why they put accept in there and there's a clause it's a reason why there's a clause in accept it's not abolished it's why it's accept in there so there's no reason to keep arguing with a fool that don't know what he know he won't even read it he's using chat GBT but are you in denial about the fact that slavery used to be a thing and now it's not no no slavery is still a thing okay but only in the context of prisons no no no you got slavery in Arabs you got the Arabs that's said in African I thought we were talking about America no no no it's still in America The niggas that work on your podcast are slaves.

45:25They work for pennies and crimes. They get paid and they can leave at any time. They get paid and they can leave at any time. You're their slave master. Those are kind of the biggest factors of slavery. You're not getting paid and you can't leave. I wouldn't call them slaves. They're indentured servants. No. Yes, they're indentured servants. Should we look up the definition of indentured servants? Well, they can pay pennies and crimes. They're not indentured. They can leave at any time. They're not making what I'm making. They're not servants. They're employees. Them niggas still stuck in a rut.

45:49How is No Jumper different than like a TV station or any other business that pays people for their time. Well, I've never seen nobody go here and go up. That's so not true. Name one person. For the record. You could point to somebody like Brick Baby who came on No Jumper and immediately became one of the most well-known game members of the LA. I've never seen him on anywhere other than a low-budget channel. I've never seen him get booked anywhere. Well, now he's in prison, which is the whole thing. Well, before then. But he was getting tons of paid interview bookings because of his time on No Jumper.

46:14I've never seen him on a major platform anywhere. Name one. What about somebody like Krip Mac who's been able to earn six figures a year for that? I've never, Crystal for joy made six figures out. Crip Mac. Crip Mac is dumb and stupid. You got here. If Crip Mac signed a bad deal, then it is what it is. So, so let me just say, so show me where Crip Mac have left. No jumper and springboard. Yeah. He springboarded the Drewski and came right back down here. And a channel five. We're in channel five. Like that. We're in channel five. Channel five. Here in LA. Travel all over the U S I hadn't seen him travel nowhere.

46:46I mean, when I, when I look at his page and his social media page, I don't see no. He's legally not really allowed to travel. I don't see no evidence where he's been anywhere. And he was, listen, and at one point in time, he was a major figure. Before he was locked up, he was a major figure. He still is. He should have had voice off. Man, nah. He came out and did a million views on his first interview. But did a million views and got what out of it? I do a million views daily. Granted, you have. I do 50 million a month. You have shown an ability to have a sustained impact in that regard. I do 50 million a month just on one platform on TikTok.

47:19I'm$4 billion. He should be like that too. But he can't sell himself. He needs somebody else to market him. Well, I'm assuming you would agree that Krip Mack maybe doesn't have the depth that you have, right? Yeah, he is slow. I'm not saying he's slow. And it's only so much you can do with a gangbanger. I'm saying the variety that you provide in an average podcast is a little bit more than he provides, right? It's only so much you can do with a California gangbanger who's not articulate. It's only so much you can do with him. I think he is pretty articulate in his own way. He won't because he mispronounced eight words.

47:48He stick with 5-5. 5-5? You can't. It's hard to sell that to a, it's hard to go major with that. Well, you both probably would fall into the category of people who maybe didn't necessarily do super well in school. I done very well in school. I done very well in school. I would probably say he didn't. What made you think Johnson didn't do good in school? I guarantee you. I made the dings. I feel like his intelligence might not have necessarily blossomed in the traditional educational environment. I've been a straight-A student my entire life. I went to college and never studied. Wow. Been on a who's who.

48:21That's impressive. Very academically inclined. No Zark Zone. Very academically inclined. Yeah, very academically inclined. That's cool. I didn't go to school almost until I was in the 6th, 7th grade, so I had a private tutor. I was taught one-on-one, so I've always excelled in class. Your parents had money to hire a private tutor instead of sending you to school? Yeah. What were they worried about? My mother was very well financially. My granddad and grandmother owned a restaurant and a hotel long before I was born. So I come from a very financially stable family. Damn. Yeah, I never grew up in the projects.

48:51Don't know what it's like to live in the hood. I've never seen a man come out of my bedroom. Very much like you. I'm Dr. King's first dream. I went to school with white kids. You're both suburban dudes? Suburban, yeah. Very much suburban. Damn, we got a lot in common. A lot in common. Yeah, all my neighbors were white. That's why I know you so good. And you don't know us so good. You didn't ever get to live in a black neighborhood. Who's us? I lived in a white neighborhood. You and me, we're clicked up now. Like real, real brothers. Me and you are coming from the same place. You could have met from National New Hampshire.

49:15I tell everybody all the time, my greatest ally and greatest friend of America is a white man like Adam. That's a good point. Thank you. You really are. Actually, when you came out and you were saying why you didn't want to do content with me because you said that you don't like white boys like me who love black people and you prefer white dudes who are blatantly in your face racist, which I do feel kind of complimented that you don't put me into that category. No, I don't. You're the worst kind. You're the hidden racist. The one that act like you like us but really don't. You have to put me on a lie detector test right now.

49:42You're not going to be able to find out that I'm racist. That's why you ain't been ate at no black people table. You would have been tasted nigga mama green. I'm going to try to get to the recognition brunch. They don't want to have me. I'm going to get you there. Yeah, I don't think you're going either. No, no, no. I don't think you're no racist, white boy. No, I really think. You can cut me open. You're not going to find me racist. No, no, no. And I'll actually ask you. I really think you're the white kid we went to school with. I would have spent the night at your house. You would have spent the night at my house.

50:04My mom would have took you to school. you just caught up into the street shit. You will not come across back to where we played basketball and we didn't play basketball in the hood. I was bad at basketball. Me and you played in the front yard. We had a net. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, them niggas didn't have no net. See, that's another way that we have in common is that we're both people that probably didn't necessarily excel physically, but we were outspoken and our minds were probably pretty advanced. I excel physically too. I'm looking at you and I'm confused. I know. Okay. Yeah, they always told you.

50:39Listen, they always told you it ain't the size of the dog. It's the size of the fight. Well, it should confuse you too because look how fucking big I am and I'm assed physically. It's like I saw plenty of big motherfuckers like you that were weak to me. Hmm. There ain't nothing weak about the 22-step. I watched you run in the ring from punches that you didn't want to take. I ain't never dodged no punch. It was a play. You wouldn't take one punch though. I was disappointed. They said it couldn't have been no play out of it. And I really thought you were scared. That's why I came and hugged. I really thought you were scared.

51:09I saw you flinching. And I was a big nigga. Right. I was a big nigga. That was part of the play. Nah, I watched you. That's why I ran and hugged you, motherfucker. I looked you up. You just want to take that out, motherfucker. You came up to me right after the fight. And you said, hey, I got nothing but respect for you. Yeah, I did. And I was like, well, shit, I lost the fight. But at least I got Charleston White's respect. Three days later, you're on the internet talking shit about me again. You know why? Why? I thought we had everything hashed out. And because I took Sean Cotton's side. Yeah.

51:34Yeah. But I felt like he was in the right, and you did end up going back to him, which to me kind of validates that. I never quit him. You quit publicly during an interview. I mean, you said you did. You stupid motherfucker didn't know that. You literally said into a camera. This is my last interview for what? That year, dumb motherfuckers. Did you say that? Me and Sean played on y 'all. We were still talking. Me and Sean did a whole interview about it. He played on you too, dumb motherfucker. Wait, you're telling me this was a play? That was a play. Oh, what the fuck, Sean? Me and Sean been talking the whole time.

52:08Man, I thought the mafia took your eyeball out. Me and Sean played on y 'all the whole time. Fucking Sean, man. He, man, we play. Come on, my nigga, listen. I'm never trusting a Texas dude again. Listen, see, man, I get y 'all so caught up, man. That's why it's been almost seven years of me doing this. because it's too easy to play on the camera. Tell them what they want to hear. Today, I don't like this. Tomorrow, I like it. Today, I'm mad at this. I sit back and think of shit. So guess what? I knew what he was doing. He was trying to set up a Philly and Texas thing because them Philly putting the pressure on him.

52:44So what I did, I spent on him. Who's from Philly? I ain't going to say his name, but I knew what he was doing. He was trying to make a play for his hometown Philly. Oh, Skeena. He was trying to. So what I did, I spent on him. I spent on him. because I got my agent saying, hey, man, we got a brand deal on the table. Watch out on this show. So I went on there and said, man, I'm going to play for the brand deal. Played mad like I was on Suncock. And then right after we got to my season, I got to see you next year. That was the end of the year. Sean seemed pretty sincere in having his feelings hurt by you turning on him.

53:15I seemed sincere in that interview. It was a motherfucker. He with me as I'm talking to him. I probably seemed pretty sincere in that boxing match. You did. But listen, he with me. While I'm talking to Sean. Six or seven more. Your newest booty goon. Well, this is what I realized. They pit us against each other. You and Unk? You and our white platform. That's why you get your gangbanger to talk over this set. You make content. You're acting like there's so many white platforms. Me and Vlad might be it for the duration of this culture existing. Did you hear the arrogance of this? Who's the other white boys that are making any kind of moves in the media space?

53:57Trappler, Raul, Aiden Rouse, Neon. Man, I can go on a whole bunch of white boys. Clapp, I can go on a whole bunch of white boys. Clapp, I can interview with rappers? Man, what? Man, you crazy in a motherfucker. He went to the club with Boofins. Man, so let me say, so you and Vlad ain't the only two white boys that got this thing on like some other white boys. But who else that's doing interviews and shit? I can go name a whole bunch of white boys. But let me just say white... I mean, you know you got to respect Trapp, but he ain't doing interviews. White platform. He ain't doing interviews. It's a different thing.

54:20White media platform live and make money off pitting niggas together. That's why your platform will go get a gangbanger, nigga. And y 'all ain't never done a car wash together. Y 'all ain't never done a backpack school supply. Y 'all ain't never done nothing together, became a profile. Get this nigga hurt. This nigga car get robbed. All y 'all done done. So what I did, I sit back and said, that's the formula. This is why they won't never get a Say Cheese TV, a Charleston White, a DJ Academy. They won't get all the black people together and let us work together. So what I did, I bagged back before the end of the year.

54:53Before I did the Say Cheesy TV interview, I went and made up with everybody black I ever had a beef with. Well, it seems like you're making up with everybody white, too, because me and Vlad both got our beef squashed over the last couple weeks, too, right? Well, y 'all need me, so y 'all had to come back and fuck with me. But y 'all was left out the picture just before I came back with y 'all. I mean, me and Vlad are both doing pretty good, right? I intentionally went and got with every black person I ever had beef with and put them in a position and mend the beef. Isn't that kind of like the definition of racism?

55:20Yeah. So what I did, I created because when me and him was into it, when I was into it with 6 or 7 months, I was into it with Woody, and it was somebody else. I had a producer come to me, and just during the Thug and them trial, they wanted to do a documentary on snitching and hip-hop. And this was right during the end of Thug and them trial, this bitch would have went crazy. But because of my arrogance, my ego, and my dislike for some men I had never met before, nigga, I lost six figures. I said, fuck that nigga. I ain't doing shit with that nigga. Him, 607, man, he said, he go fuck me. Man, fuck.

56:04Nigga, I turned, nigga, I lost money like a motherfucker. And I did it with arrogance. So then Charlie Kirk died. So I wanted to prove upon the black people that they cowards, that I'm the only nigga in America that will ever spit on Charlie Kirk's name. And I spit on his name, his daughter, his wife, and lost everything. They canceled my tour. And boy, I was scratching my head saying, boy, I think I done fucked up. Boy, they done cut the lights out on me. So then I went back and mended relationship because I said, shit, nigga, I got to try to create some new content. Say, what's up, Woody? I see you want to do comedy.

56:38Put Woody on stage. I forgot what this nigga did to make me really reach out to him and be like, say, nigga, you really a real nigga. So it made me reshift my mind when it looked like I had lost what I had built from arrogance or nigga having dislike and disdain for some guys who I've been watching, didn't have no vision watching, and don't even know. So, nigga, that put me into a different perspective and started saying, nigga, you turned down a business decision based on your feelings. I'll never do that again. Really? I'll never do that again. so that made me re i had to rebrand but how do you separate your feelings from your actual principles uh because my i don't have no actual principles online i don't wake up with no principles online you don't have any like belief i say god no because in my mind y 'all think this real and i'm just creating content right y 'all think this is real so i have no principles when acting and entertaining comes into poor play slow principles you do porn what principles do you have in and out of the way.

57:41You let a man fuck your wife. What principles? So I have no principles. That doesn't violate my principles. But it might violate your children's principles one day. See what I'm saying? It's none of their business. That's what I'm saying. None of y 'all don't be in whether I got principles or not. So fuck your baby. Fuck your dead mama. Fuck your dead. So I have no principles. I'm here to do what? Provoke thought. Evoke emotions. Why? That's what entertaining is all about. Okay. I feel like a lot of this is performative right now. Nobody really thinks that you're actually going to sue Young Book.

58:14Well, I wasn't for real. I'm telling y 'all I wasn't for real. He didn't have a gun. So why would I go lie and say he had a gun? I lied and told y 'all he had a gun. Didn't they tell you basically like we keep choppers or something? No, they didn't. We step on shit. He whispered it. We step on shit. Right. Yeah, he whispered it. They do. There was a whole trial. Yeah, yeah. They don't know. What'd he do? He beat it by the skin of his teeth. What'd he do? He didn't beat it. He copped out and his buddies beat him. But if I got homies that kill people for me, I still step on shit. No, no, no, no, you don't.

58:46No, you don't. These guys are hired. So they're not there to step on shit. He knows, but. They're not there to step on shit. So why are you telling me we step on shit? Because we collectively as an organization. No, they. Woody is retired. He ain't got it. Does the United States kill people? No. Donald Trump kills people. The military kills people. He doesn't do it himself. The military does. Yeah, Donald Trump's military. My hitters are my military. Well, that's what you think. because you think these niggas will do that for you, but niggas kept you by yourself, you don't step on nothing. Well, I actually don't do any of this, but if I did.

59:13Well, do what I'm saying. You can't say we. Woody was Young Thugs Military. He was. Yeah. Woody was a motherfucking car thief, man. And I disrespected Woody and got in the car with him. I said, fuck his mama, fuck his baby, and went and we apologized. I got in the car with him, went to his hood, and faced his family. Man, you talked about my, and I had nobody with me. Last time I interviewed Woody, was very, very upset with you. So? I know you guys patched that up. Well, we go back and forth. Right now, we forward. Yeah, we ain't back together. Right. Yeah, all these niggas like that. Why? Because we really ain't done nothing to each other.

59:49What do you see in 607 Unc that you don't see in Crip Mac? 607 Monk. Crip Mac. Zesty voodoo guy. No, no, no, no. No? This is what I see in him. He playing on y 'all like me? At first I thought he was gay. I thought he was for real. But I had to sit back and watch that nigga. And I didn't want to watch him. And as I was watching him, I'm saying, man, that nigga bullshitting like you, nigga. Matter of fact, he done took a few plays out your playbook, nigga. So I reached out to that nigga. Say, nigga, what's up? Woo, woo, woo. And me and him don't do no more talk business. We don't hang his friends.

1:00:29We do no more business together. And I watch him and I study him. He might be one of the most intelligent men On camera right now He playing on y 'all Nigga playing on y 'all Man nigga quiet in person He kind of shy Man Nigga playing on y 'all Don't sleep in the bed He don't sleep in the bed No He slept on the ground right here Yeah He barely eat He a healthy eater Nah man that nigga He playing on y 'all Man he don't eat gluten When we go places nigga When we go out to eat He'd never get food at the restaurant. I know. He got furious with me because we didn't have any food he could eat here the whole time, but he never actually asked us for any food.

1:01:09He'd go to the grocery store, buy his shit, and have his shit, come and cook. He's humble. It's a mental disorder. I've never seen a nigga get angry. I caused a riot one time. There's no bullshit. I started a riot one time at one of my shows here recently. Nigga's SWAT team had to come save us. And nigga, this bitch fit to go down. How'd you start a riot? Saying, fuck you niggas and fuck that bitch. arguing with the crowd. He's about peace. He draw peace. His energy is peaceful. Yeah, he playing on y 'all. I thought he was crazy. When the shit was finna go down, he started praying. He started praying.

1:01:45He sat in the middle stage. And that nigga f***ed with bitches. I done caught him on the phone. Have you seen it? I seen it with my own eyes. We haven't seen it. I done seen a nigga macking, checking. I think he pimping. I don't know if he's got a denim, but we... Man, I done heard... We was somewhere one night. A girl tried to holler at him. She was fine. It was a mother... He turned her down. I said, why you turn her down, 6-0? He said, she was too perfect. Say, man, he done been to the strip club with me. That's some gay shit. He had them leg crawl. Man, see them hoes pull up on him. Nah, nah, nah.

1:02:18The niggas, he'll... Yeah, nah, nah. See, y 'all, mo pimps will come off gay. Right. Well, we did a 24-hour stream with him, and I really started to lose my temper with him because we were talking about topics, and then he would just interject and just do this random psycho babble. Like, we're talking about girls. We're talking about relationships. And he all of a sudden is like, y 'all have sex with women because y 'all don't respect them. I haven't had sex for the past two years because I really respect women. He ain't lying? He's lying if he thinks it's respectful to women to not have sex with them.

1:02:49He ain't lying? Women want to have sex also. But the ones you respect, you don't fuck your mother, your brother. No, man. They're related to you. Man, the women you respect, you don't put your dick in. The reason why you don't fuck your mom isn't because you have respect for her. The women you respect your neighbor. It's because she's your mom. You got to miss Shirley them. You got to respect for her. You don't look at them sex. Women, you don't do that to her. Women that you're attracted to that are single that could potentially be in a consensual relationship with you. Let her make you mad. It's not a sign of disrespect to have sex.

1:03:15Let her make you mad. You're disrespectful. You only have respect for her because you want to fuck her. But when you fuck her, you lose respect. You don't want to fuck her and still be mad at her and disrespect her. No, no, no, no, no. There's two things. Women you respect, you will not fuck. I promise. No, I respect all kinds of women and have sex with them. You're just what you're saying now because I'm telling you. I love them too. Bitch, the way you do them, you wouldn't respect them. You wouldn't do them like that. No, I respect them so much that I'm going to nut on their face. They don't want that.

1:03:38And film it and sell it to the world. They don't want that. You would be surprised. You're degrading them. I wish you were there to see me nutting on these faces because these women get a lot of joy out of that. You should see them. You mean. They whip out their own phone. They don't even want to clean the cum off. They take pictures, selfies. Adam, come get yourself. You're lying, motherfucker. That's the day you lying. Those are disgruntled employees. No, no, no, no, no. That's real shit. They love it. You don't have potluck. You ain't never painted a face if you think that they don't like it.

1:04:03I don't like aura. You don't like aura? I don't like aura. See, you and your kindred spirits because you're both deeply disturbed. I fuck like Mr. You ain't see Mr. get his dick sucking the color purple, this shit. I want my dick so. I want a hump and pump. No, I haven't seen the color purple. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I want submission. Don't hold submit. No, they submit when you knocking that transmission loose. You be hitting transmissions? I knocked that motherfucker loose. Man, break the motor, man. She had the motor knocking. Wow, I'm surprised you admit. That's the bussy? Man, you know what it is when that motherfucker was blowing out.

1:04:34He ain't been there. He don't know. You don't know. I never hit a trance. No, that ain't no trance. That's when that large thing, it done with Lena. What? He made that. Did he? He hit that air pocket. Send me that footage. Man, you were there. I need to hear that. I was not there. What are you talking about? He made that air pocket. What are you talking about? They call it queefing. Send me the footage. I want to hear that queefing. I told her, no queefing. Say, what's that boy named Galena? No queefing. Jason Love. Jason. The love. Jason Love. The love. I watched the whole video. How was that?

1:05:06Boy, slow pushed it up and I made it. I told her, no queefing. My one rule. No queefs. That's my top three points. For real? Squiggle and squirm. I appreciate the support. I ain't even watching shit. I got to check it out. Yeah, shit. What? Yeah, we're going to watch it. Biggest OnlyFans scene of all time. Most money ever earned from a porn scene ever. That's my baby. I hate that, man. You know, I tell niggas in my hood because of that you a pro player. He ain't no player. He been treating Leonard bad ever since. That's my baby. We going on a date right after this. He been mean to her. He ain't been as kind.

1:05:46You went last time you brought a rose and took her on a date. I just ordered flowers for Mother's Day yesterday. That's Mother's Day. I'm saying regular. You see what I'm talking about? Probably like two weeks ago, I got her flowers. When was Mother's Day? It was coming up on Sunday. I don't think it's going to say, God damn. You better get 1-800-Flowers.com. I saw her now, man. She was the only one supporting you in the ring. She was supporting me, but I had many people supporting me. My boxing trainer, Remo. Did you get some pussy after that fight? Remo the only one I fucked with up real. For real?

1:06:17And that nigga back there with the afro, the Chinese nigga with the afro. He's not Chinese. Oh, I forgot. What about Josh? The nigga that paid you. What about Josh? The nigga that paid you. Josh didn't pay me. Adam did. Josh operated the cash app. Shout out to Josh. He'll fuck out. He's actually Jewish. That's all. I love him even more. He's Jewish and he loves Mexican women. I love him even more. My nigga. Boy, yeah. I don't know if he's gone black, so he hasn't even had an opportunity to come back. That's how he my nigga. Now, don't go black. They go taint you and ruin you. Oh, yeah? Stay over there with them chicos.

1:06:48Damn. You think I should leave my wife, my Armenian wife, for a black woman? No. Nigga, Darth Manion's been the best thing in America since the Kardashians. Oh, thank you. We appreciate that. Nigga, but she can't fix you like the Kardashians fix niggas. What? They destroy men. No, they don't. Come on. They make men better. Look at Odom and God. Yeah, look at Lamar Odom. He's doing better now. Look at Tiger. They destroy black men. No, they didn't destroy them. They got their lives right now. What's that other nigga? The nigga running the ball. Oh, Reggie Bush? Yeah, remember Carter Kim had him?

1:07:16Lamar Odom had like 16 strokes. That's all right. Nigga, look at him now, though. Yeah, well, he's doing a documentary where he's talking about having 16 strokes. But he done got his life together now. His life is set right in his men now, all the Kardashians. When I did an interview with him, he was basically trying to pitch a show in which him and the trans Kardashian, what's her name, Kalen, that they would be doing a show where they would talk about sports together. And it never came out, which makes me feel like Lamar Odom doesn't necessarily have opportunities dropping into his lap. Sure he do.

1:07:46I just talked to him the other day, man. Everybody get a bounce back. Yeah, but if he's doing an interview tour to try to get a podcast picked up. That was then, man. That was like six months ago. Me and him finna do one together. I like that. I know he's a great guy. Yeah, me and him finna do one together. So he told me to keep it on the low, but I done let it out the bad. You're going to do a consistent podcast together. Yeah, I would do one. But is that going to be hard for you because you're traveling around the country? Yeah, it's going to be hard. But I would do one with you. Yeah? Yeah, I would come in monthly, fly in monthly, probably do three shows and then shoot out.

1:08:17Yeah, let's do it. But we got to have some substance. We got to talk fatherhood. Do you help with the kids? I help massively. What is it like when you go drop the kids off at Daycare? There's like a line that I get to drive through where I can drop her off with the kids. Do the other moms try to fuck you when they see you? That has not happened yet. That means you ain't got good porn video. I feel like you might be underestimating how the sanctity is of the sort of upper class valley preschool private school world. Women flirt with the eyes, not with conversation. They make eye contact with you.

1:08:50Look at you. I mean, I'm not really trying to fuck them anyway. So the porn thing is kind of taking my standards up a little bit. You know, average mom, not necessarily like hitting what I'm looking for. That was Usher's thing. I want some huge BBL ass in my face. So do you f*** women outside of your wife? Only on camera. Only on camera. Lying, motherf***er. He bling three times. You think I'm running around? I ain't running around. He bling three times before he answers that motherf***er. I am not. He ain't bling that many times. Every time you hit another woman. What's she think? No, is she there?

1:09:23No, no, no. Because I do porn without her as well. Oh, okay. I want to do South porn. Where you don't even get your d*** card? Up under the covers. You just rub the lip d*** on? Or Halle Berry and the boy in Monster Ball. I want to do the hard shit. No, not me. You want to do the gangbang? Because, you know, that's how they get you into the game. You got to do some gangbangs. What? We f*** a bitch together? Well, in general, like, you know, say they've got six professional male porn stars. If they want to try a dude out, they'll put him in that group. Yeah, but if you can't f*** in front of a bunch of other dudes, then they look at you like you're not going to be able to f***, period.

1:09:56So it's an initiation into the porn? That's a way they might give somebody a shot who hasn't really had a chance yet in the the game. What about if you already known for bitches? That ain't good enough. I mean, you got to be able to do it on camera. Everybody can on camera. Yeah. The camera, the production staff. You already got a resume, some shit in your phone. You have a different kind of resume. They don't care about that. You ain't got no nigga up on the nose with that camera. Look it. Put it out and say. You got to just stay right there. You ain't had that. I got the camera. that's what I'm talking about it ain't like that hey now we got people who are filming with the metal glasses so they can get all up in there and be getting a little smell going yeah I think I'm gonna try this with the metal glasses I'm gonna try this yeah that's matter of fact what a metal glass that you got when we was in a I lost them you lost them I got them I got them alright that's 500 bucks I ever spent I'm gonna get in Southporn up under the covers and I'm just stroking with the covers you know you watching so you don't wanna just masturbate on camera Southporn with a woman on there nigga like we yeah like the movie oh yeah Amish porn You have to just assume what they're doing But you seeing the moves though Yeah you seeing the moves You said that you have a big dick right Uh oh I'm home

1:11:21Flacco said he got 10 inches And thick Most retarded niggas I've heard are You think Flacco retarded The Tothelite, the Flacco knew Tothelite. There, there, there, there. Speech impediment. Yeah, you got a little studded. I thought my partner, though, Flacco. He got to work on it. He grew on me. Flacco grew on me. Okay. Once I realized, no, I seen Flacco hold his own in here. No. As being an upright motherfucker. Well, your boy 16 did spit in his face. Oh, I ain't, I ain't, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shut up, boy 16. He spit back, but it was kind of a dry spit. Me and 16 was in the car together the other night.

1:11:58Yeah, I'm a nigga too. I love that little boy. I tried to put him in jail one time. Yeah, yeah, he came to Texas with some charges on him. And I got mad at him because I thought he was using the title to put me down. You talking about 16? Yeah, I tried to put the sheriff on his ass. Sheriff Bill Weber. Wait, what? Did he do jail time? I tried to get him. Yeah, I tried to get his motherfucking ass. I think he ended up beating them charges. Yeah, I had to show the sheriff why we got a gangbanger coming down from Chicago trying to bring him. And that's when King Von was at the height of his, you know, yeah.

1:12:27So I really tried to get him because we had an argument over an interview. You know, Flacco allegedly lives in Texas. I would like to kick him with Flacco. I would go get Flacco. Flacco almost got me here. Flacco just hit me the other day. Before Wack 100 told me to give you a shot, Flacco was one of the motherfuckers. You didn't have a clue. I almost convinced me to come here. I didn't even tell Wack that we were doing this because I was afraid that he was going to try to intervene in some way. He was. Yeah, for sure. He would try to be here. And he was going to take the credit. He was going to take the credit.

1:12:55Yes. Yeah, because he did. He told me, man, don't do my nigga like that, man. He's one more mama boy. And secretly, me and Wack really fuck with each other. Yeah. I could tell. You guys did that episode together, and you didn't give him any pushback at all. I was looking for a war. I tried to. It was chill. Yeah, no. He tried to get me there. But what I realized, Wack will hype me up and leave me on stage by myself. I need him up. Yeah, yeah. He'll have me looking like a fool. And yeah, because he'll leave. He done done that before. So he'll say something and ram me up and then go silent where I can't go back and forward with him.

1:13:32So I said, no, I didn't want LB to do me like that again because he's very calculated. What he said is that when you guys did the episode together, that basically like you were waiting for him to get the cameras turned on. So you ended up talking for like hours before the podcast. So then when you finally started recording, you just like didn't really have anything left to argue about. Well, we had already made up. so that's like when Packer, yeah and Mayweather finally fought right man this ain't gonna be what you thought it was did you want to fight him again when you saw the video of him with his dick out in the car I ain't see that one wait what I ain't see that one I seen him with his ass in the air and his toes pointed to the ground that's a classic yeah yeah yeah I had that as a screensaver oh okay yeah I caught him with his dick in the dirt but that's true or explicit but that he's created a woman took the photo so that's why that's why I didn't trip yeah that's why I ain't tripped.

1:14:23Yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't, yeah. But no, no. So the Danza interview with Wack, the AC wasn't working, middle of the summer. So, man, it was hot in the mother.

1:14:38And they wouldn't let us go there. But it was one time, you know, when he was saying something, I'm, nigga, man, you a liar. Man, you got me fucked up. And I saw what he was doing. What? Me and Wack played chess with each other until now. Yeah? Yeah. He was winding me up, nigga, to make me look unruly, obnoxious, confrontational, and then he level-headed. Right. My theory was that you smoked a bunch of weed prior to the podcast, and weed will kind of take that anger out of you, right? No, no, no, no. I was on bond at the time for them animal cruelty's charging an aggravated assault, so I couldn't smoke weed.

1:15:13Y 'all was on bond at the time. That's a thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They still do that in Texas? What? They put you on bond probation. Out here, no matter what kind of probation you're on, you still smoke weed, I'm pretty sure. It's recreation here. It's still illegal in Texas. So by the time me and Wax sat down, I was already fond of him. I had already developed at least two years, by this time, at least two years of admiration. Okay. See what I'm saying? So it was hard to, I cussed him out when he tried to defend Thug. Wax, yo, bitch, nigga, you fucking bitch ass, nigga. Yeah, wacko. I cussed him out.

1:15:49Nigga, why you cuss me out? Nigga, I need to get back in the algorithm. You think he defended Thug about the snitching allegations? He moved the goalposts for him. So what I did, I had an interview coming with Big Banks that the Atlanta Police Department was a little nervous about. So what I did, I jumped online, cussed out Thug. Whack video had just came out. I threw him in there. and what ended up happening, I told him, nigga, I'm going to shame Thug, nigga, when I go do that Big Banks interview and shout out to Big Banks. He let Thug counsel my interview and that's when Thug did the Big Banks interview.

1:16:30I was scared for that. Wow. So everybody be doing negotiations like that the same way that Boosie had Vlad not doing interviews with you. Yeah. Big Bank, you got a similar play from Thug. Yeah, nigga, so big, so Thug, I was booked. So Banks, Banks sent me a little money, you know, for having me come to Atlanta. rescheduled the interview but because it did feel like he did that interview in a hurry but he was like under fire at the time so it still felt like it made sense this is why I was in a hurry because Atlanta police I made a video say nigga Atlanta police department think you gonna set me up nigga so you're running your interviews by the police department in Atlanta shout out to my nigga Daphne or Ty and yeah, I actually know the people that's involved in the officers who arrested them niggas.

1:17:22They got the case filed on them. Yeah, yeah. So a lot of information I got, you know, came from the retired officers. But they didn't think that Big Bank was the type of person that was going to do something like that? Well, they thought maybe someone thug them people would come there. But they'll give you advice off of the phone, but they're not going to like roll with you to make sure nothing happens? Oh, they did pull up. Yeah, so that's why Bank, That's why banks had called me. They did this just out the goodness of their heart that you paid for a police escort? Because I've looked it up. Police escort, not that expensive.

1:17:53You can't pay. I don't pay Atlanta. So I actually got Atlanta police officer friends. I actually got friends as FBI agents, Secret Service. I'm not a criminal, so they can't. So I take pictures with them. I go through the police department. When I was out on bond, I couldn't do it. But once I beat the charges, I'm not classified or considered a criminal. I don't have a criminal history where a police officer. So we were just in San Diego. Nigga, I took a whole photo op with the California State Troopers. At the barbecue spot. And we bought their lunch. Yeah, so I have a great relationship with law enforcement friends.

1:18:30I have a great relationship with the Fulton County Prosecutor's Office. Nigga, I done talked to you. So, and I done put some Atlanta niggas in jail. Right. For making online threats. Right. I mean, I've heard both. I've heard that the police in general, especially in Texas, hate you. and I've heard that they're huge fans of you. Well, no, the Fort Worth Police Department hates me. Okay. Because there's a dirty police officer who, I rescued a sex trafficking victim from this nigga house who this dirty police officer was involved with. What? How'd you rescue? Well, I went to the strip club and she told me where she was and I know the nigga.

1:19:07And so what I did, I contacted a retired United States Department of Homeland Security human trafficking officer by the name of Agent Keith Owens. So I used to partner with Traffic 911, which is a trafficking organization that rescues women. I used to teach trainings at the United States Department of Homeland Security human trafficking division at Eastfield Police Training Academy in Mesquite College. I used to teach that every year. I used to partner and teach human trafficking presentations at the law school at Texas Western. So yeah, I did this. So I'm connected to being a rescue ladies who've been sex trafficking.

1:19:48I know a lot of niggas in my city that, you know, that was sex trafficking. So I would target them niggas, a nigga named Mac Henry. So I go in the club one day, see this little chick. So anytime I go into a strip club, if I see a bad little bitch and I say, man, you want something to drink? And she said, no, I don't want a drink. She said, you smoke? No, I don't smoke. Bitch, you in here sober? Can't too many hoes do this sober? Yeah, bitch, you got sober. That's a real hustler. man that ain't no real hustler man bitch at some point yo you got to give in because you seeing the ugliest at some point you're going to give in to something but if you're really just there to get as much money as you could possibly get you should also not be spending money on getting up right well you you get up before you go right but why what if you just don't like no man i know this shit i'm watching the bitch not get no money so she ain't just i'm watching So when she tell me the story, let me just say this.

1:20:39There's there's red. There's there's there's red flags and signs that anybody with my knowledge on human trafficking and sex trafficking can look at a young lady and can tell why you're getting caught for it. You may think, OK, you know, you cannot do this and do this every day with a natural, sober, logical thinking mind with your trauma and background. That's why you're in here. That's why you're in this lifestyle. So I ask a few questions. Woo, woo, woo. I respond. Woo, woo, woo. So I noticed that the nigga not down here. So to make a long story short, I go outside. I contact a special agent.

1:21:17It's about 1 in the morning. He don't answer. I contact. I call Angela Lucky. She was the president of the NAACP. I call her with the music playing. She said, well, Charleston, we can't do anything like that. So then I contact Officer Charles Rogers from Gang Unit. Officer Charles Rogers from Gang Unit. he make a call they put together an extraction team they extract the young lady at this nigga house the officer Tracy Carter gets wind of it calls the girl say man you better not trust Charleston he woo woo woo so when they drop her off at the safe house the officer didn't debrief her nigga she called me and said man the police officer called me told me not to trust you you woo woo woo and she ran away but this is documented anytime I try to With a girl and she ain't feeling me, I just assume that she's getting sex trafficked.

1:22:08Yeah, so... There's got to be a reason. Yeah, so... But it's 22-ster. You know, if she ain't feeling me, she got to have some sort of social contagion. So there's one officer, right? So he became our arch enemy, and he's the right-hand man to the chief at the time. So I infiltrated our local police department when all the white boys was in power. You infiltrated? Yeah, I infiltrated. So all my gun licenses come from the sheriff's department, law enforcement. all my trainings, all my shootings. I used to bring, so I used to literally train procedural justice for our Fort Worth Police Department to the black community.

1:22:42So then what ended up happening, my homeboy, who's an RBG, the revolutionary black gangsta with flutter red, black, and green flags, his son by the name of Dacian Steptoe killed a high-ranking Fort Worth police officer by the name of Officer Garrett Hull. Officer Garrett Hull was like the top nigga of the SWAT team. He was a bad motherfucker With three tools in Iraq, 18 years old, he was a big old white boy, and DeCion Steptoe killed him. And our police department killed him rather than taking him to jail. So when my nigger called me and said, man, the police probably just killed my son. So when I called Chief them, I said, man, that wasn't the procedural justice y 'all were teaching us.

1:23:20So when the police started threatening my nigger family, I went and held security for my nigger family. While them police were threatening them, the Muslims wasn't there, the gang bangers wasn't there. I was the only nigga in that front yard that night, nigga, when the police had that funeral, protecting his family with my guns and my bullets, nigga. Wasn't no other nigga out there with me. So a gangbanger nigga can't tell me nothing because they ain't bucked the police, nigga. I bucked the police and ready to go to war. So what ended up happening? I got kidnapped by the police. I got kidnapped by the Fort Worth Police Department.

1:23:49They took me to jail. I sat in jail for probably about an hour. I called my lawyer, Lisa Pamplin. Said, say, Lisa, man, these bitches just arrested me. She said, for what? I said, a broken taillight. But when they arrested me, I had over 300 rounds of bullets. I had guns in the car. I had to owe the nation. I had the black liberation literature. Shit, they're talking about killing white folks and going, yeah, yeah, yeah. So to make a long story short, before I hung up the phone with my attorney, I said, say, man, whatever you do, don't let these motherfuckers Sandra Bland me. She said, I'm on my way.

1:24:20Don't say nothing. Probably about 10 minutes later, the police come out. They had a big old fire of all my social media posts. because I bragged about how I raped white women and killed the white man. So they opened it. They said, come on, Charles, you're going with us. I said, man, go on, where? He said, yeah, we're transferring you to the mental asylum under the Sandra Bland Act. So they gave me the name of the law. What year was this? The year before Nipsey died. Six months before Nip died. Oh, okay. So before you're famous. So this is what made me move to L.A. So this is why I moved to L.A.

1:24:49So they take me to the mental asylum. I disappear in the system. I disappeared in the system. Within 24 hours, they was shooting me up with drugs. I didn't know what was going on. The old nigga, that old man Pops, who y 'all see with all that great bruise, he made a video. He said, y 'all better at least tell his mama where y 'all got him. Because I got some people that are killed behind me, nigga. That's why I'm so bold in my city, nigga. That's why I'm this bad, nigga. So the old nigga Pops made a video. The other niggas went and kidnapped the homosexual who a politician was having sex with.

1:25:25They kidnapped the homosexual and called a politician. Put the phone up to him, and I was released. So when I got out, I noticed that the drugs they were shooting me up with was making my nerves and shit go bad. So I moved to California with my niggas. Put me an application in for a job. Put my resume in. Came out here to smoke weed. get that white boy dope up out of me get that white boy yeah that's why I moved to LA because they put on my medical record that I was homicidal because they watched me go to the range and they done taught me how to shoot that gun they done taught me how to line that thumb up yeah nigga they done taught me what guns get I got every gun SWAT got nigga that's why I show you nigga them guns so nigga they done taught me this so they got homicidal and suicidal by ideation meaning with the shit I've been saying online in preparation going to the gun range, practicing on my long-range shooting.

1:26:20They watching this shit. And they done gave me my gun license. Hoping that the medical ship would go strip me of my gun license, but it didn't. Why? I never seen a judge. So I was never deemed by a judge. What they tried to use are marijuana psychosis. Because once they took my blood, that's the only thing in my system. So they tried to say I was marijuana psychosis. But they were able to say that you had so much marijuana in your system that it could have been making you crazy? No, that's what they wanted to use. They tried to? Well, not that they tried to. They needed something because of what I know with this rhetoric.

1:26:51I can turn niggas against white folks, nigga. If I preach the shit I preach, nigga, how I done stood over white men and watched a white man die, nigga, we used to rape white hoes, nigga. Nigga, I'd rile some niggas up. And they know that. So when I bought that 50 cal, the FBI came to see me. The FBI came to see me. And I said, no, man. And they said, yeah, Charleston, we know. We watched all your videos. I'm one of the only niggas in Fort Worth, Texas, nigga with a 50 car that'll stop an army tank. And I know how to shoot that bitch. Yo, can I ask you how you feel about the... Well, you said that I'm too non-racist, so I'm assuming that you must...

1:27:32I grew up a racist white boy. I love them. But you must really like Chud the Builder. I love him. Explain why. I love his kind, because I'm that kind. I was taught you mistreat that. Like he was taught mistreat that. But he's mistreating your people. What's wrong with that? He ain't mistreating my people. My people go to jail for hurting him. Well, he goes around calling random black people that. Them ain't my people. Why not? Just because you're black, you're not my people. Everybody in Africa is black. Sudan, Congo, Nigeria, Morocco, and they're all Africans. But he's doing it with like random black people hanging out with gas.

1:28:10Those are my people. Gas stations in down south. My people is a nigga. I know a nigga crack his ass no matter he got a gun or not. Right. I know some white boys, if I go up to, crack a nigga's ass. What's the difference between the people he's been tormenting and the people that you are hanging out with? The ones I'm hanging out with don't just walk up and randomly bother black people. They're real racists. They don't want nothing to do with you. They stay over here. like real racist right a real racist white boy ain't going in the cell with a black person right he not going in there he'll go to the shoe first like most white people and like the version of being a white supremacist that we kind of respect is white people who are like you know what i so don't like multiculturalism that i'm gonna just live off in my own spa and just stay away from big cities and whatnot.

1:29:02White supremacists is weak. The redneck cracker is the one. See, the white supremacists wasn't the enslavers. I mean, it was a long time ago. I don't think white supremacists necessarily existed as a term. White supremacy is a white boy in America mad about something. I mean, white supremacy is a philosophy. White supremacy is a white boy in America mad about an ass kicking that he couldn't win. A real racist motherfucker is born with it. He ain't been propagandized for it. He was born. He was taught in the home. Talked from day one. What's the difference if you just have life experiences that turn you into a racist, aren't you?

1:29:42You would essentially end up the same type of person. You're not a real racist. You're just like that gangbanger you just spoke of. That's hood hopping. You're hood hopping. You turn into a weenie. You let life turn you gay. So why would it turn you racist? I mean, it could though. You can't. You can't. So nothing can happen in your life that will change your mind about anything? You just become prejudiced. You have to just be. You just become prejudiced. Prejudiced, racist, same thing. No, no, no, it's not. Racist is just about race specifically. No, no, no. Prejudice is just a mindset. You changed your mind.

1:30:12Right. Prejudice is like. Racism is. Racism is being prejudiced on the basis of race. Racism is the foundation of who you are. My grandmother is racist. It doesn't need to be. You might be able to just be casually racist. You can't stop it. What if like 90 % of your life is being a skateboarder? And then like 10 % of it is I'm racist. Never in my life have I ate white people's cooking. Never. See, that seems racist. Never. You probably are. You go to restaurants, right? No, no, no, no, no. I will not go to, a white person cannot deliver me food. I don't believe they can cook for me. But you probably eat food all the time that you just don't know who made it.

1:30:49Listen, I hardly eat out. I hardly eat out. I'm so used to, all my life I've ate soul food. My mother cooked. Right. My mother cooked. There's plenty of white people probably working in soul food restaurants, right? But it's not the white person's food. It's not the white person's recipe. It's not the white person's seasoning. You're missing what I'm saying. I've never had a white person cook for me. I don't believe your food is taste worthy. It's not going to have the seasoning that I like. What if the white person made it exactly like a black person? What if they learned to cook from a black person?

1:31:20I don't eat all black people's cooking. Okay. So it's not really a racial thing. It's just about being good at cooking? No, no, no. I would eat at a Mexican house and try tacos. I've never in my life went into a white person's house and ate their food and I spent the night there. I ate at the table. I play like I don't like it. That seems like a bizarre standard to be like, you have to go to people's homes and eat with them. You have to spend the night at their homes in order to prove that you're not racist. My grandmother and my grandfather say, if you can't ever go in and hit their table, they don't like you.

1:31:51If they won't ever invite you into their home, because that's how we love one another. say come over invite them over to eat there's a lot of people i really really really like and for sure the last thing i'm thinking about is inviting them over to my house we're not real friends if i don't never eat at your home no that that to me that standard does not apply out here we don't just go to each other's houses y 'all don't have that black tradition anymore exactly southern california we're just in our own worlds because i have a friend from spain and i went to spain i spent a whole month and he was having me come over his house his parents are cooking me etc And then he comes out to California and he's staying here and he's like at the skate park asking people like, yo, like, can I go back to your house and have some beers?

1:32:30And people are looking at him like, what the fuck? If I'm your friend, I have to meet an extension of your home or we ain't friends. Has Trappler Ross been to your house? Yes. Come over for a little bit before we go to some parties. You know why I love Aiden? He brought me to his home. Yeah. My mom and him told me if they ain't never invited you into their home to sit at their table. That's how the Jews get you. Well, in the black culture, that's how everybody get a black person. That's how we're able to cross one another. We bring each other home. Mama, this is my friend. And your mama said, I don't know him.

1:33:01That's a traditional black thing. For sure, all the black dudes who work in No Jumper, I would say with near certainty that they haven't been to each other's houses. They're not real black people. You know why? They are definitely black people. No, no, they're black in color. Have Wack been to your house? No. Have you been to Wack House? They're black in color. No. They're black in color, not black in mine. I feel like the color matters more than the mind The mind is objective The color of your skin is pretty easy to find I'm going to tell you how strong the mind is There are some men who believe they're women And dress up and look like a woman every day Even though they look like a man But their mind is saying they're a woman So you tell me I will treat them as women But are they women?

1:33:41No, you're saying what you'll treat the mind I will treat them that way out of respect There are humans who have grew up with wolves And thought they were wolves and they're humans. If you decide tomorrow that your name is Charleston X, I'll abide. So let me just say this. I'll call you that even though I don't think that's your last name. The mind supersedes color. No, color is a fact. I think therefore I am. Color can just exist. A rainbow is a rainbow. It's not like in your mind. I'm not black, no way. I'm brown. Dark brown, yeah. No, caramel brown. But you would say black. All black people.

1:34:12Well, we tend to just say black about anybody. Yeah, so color doesn't matter. But it's not even about color. Color doesn't mind. You can have the same skin color as a Mexican dude. Mind does. We're arguing about mind over color. And I'm saying it's mind over color. You're saying it's color over mind. I'm saying that in America. You don't know what you're saying. You just talk. We take racial groups and we lump them together and then we call them things. We don't take. A Panamanian dude, we're going to call them black too. We don't take racial groups. We just take black and white. No, but we have Mexicans.

1:34:41We don't think that. The whole Hispanic category. Asians. When the Mexican go to jail, he's a white race. No. They have their own program. No, they don't. Yes, they do. And it's completely separate from the white program. Just stop what I'm saying. Listen to what I'm saying. When the Mexican is booked in jail, he's booked on the white race. He's booked as a homie. There's only two races in America, not a homie. It's either black or white. I don't know if the prison has a certain way of classifying people that you're talking about. I'm really talking to a motherfucker that was dumb in school. No, but we all know that Mexicans have their own politics in prison and absolutely don't overlap with white people.

1:35:18You're so stuck on gangbanging talking culture. I'm talking— Gangbanging kind of defines prison, right? Let me talk. I'm talking ethnicity. Right. No, you're talking about how you're classified in prison. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not talking about nothing. I'm talking about when a Hispanic guy in America files for any paperwork, whether it's social security or prison, an application, he checks white with Hispanic ethnicity. Personally, I've seen just Hispanic on those sort of forms. They don't let you. It's white or black. Other as well. No, no, no. It's white or black or other. White, black with African, Latino, Hispanic ethnicity.

1:35:56But they haven't. There's a lot of proud Hispanic people. Because in America, you're the white or black boy. White boy, black boy. That seems oversimplified. The Jew boy, we look at Jews as white boys. Maybe in the hood. but we got Asians, we got Asians. We got a million different types of Asians. We don't know that outside the hood. Well, even the hood knows about the existence of Asians, right? It either says Pacific Islander or what? I'm going back to your white boys list as a check in your country. I don't know what every different form exists. I'm talking to a dumb motherfucker. I'm talking to a dumb motherfucker.

1:36:27Because I can acknowledge the existence of Asians and Hispanic people? No, no, no, listen. You had to dumb down for gangbanging culture. And what I'm realizing, Adam, you cannot talk intellectually outside this table i feel like i'm kind of running circles around you this whole interview i don't think so you're bringing up all kinds of made-up shit no no you are nah nah and that's what's crazy about this interview and why this interview is so much better than what you do with sean cotton is that he just lets you say whatever this is not he just sits back just lets you talk this is not better actually fighting back stupid no you're saying a lot of stupid things and you're getting upset because i'm pushing back against them because they don't make any sense i'm not getting upset we're talking about ethnicity and you're going to gang bang and lock up homie talk.

1:37:05That's not true though. You were talking about how people are classified in prison. Even classified in prison when they're booked in, not classified. But you said that Mexican people get treated as if they are white in prison. It's not true. I never said that. That is exactly what you said. I didn't say that. I said they're classified as white. Right. And that I disagree with. You've never been in prison. Maybe there's been a prison that has done that before, but I don't think the average prison is doing that. You keep saying what you're thinking. You hadn't read shit. I'm basing this on the conversations that I've had with like hundreds or thousands of gang members over the years.

1:37:34No, no, you haven't had no call saving no fucking hundreds of thousands of gang members. What do you think that this podcast is? You probably talked to maybe 5 ,000 gang members at the most. I haven't even done 5 ,000. Not even 5 ,000. And you're talking to a bunch of lying-ass niggas with different stories who come say the other one is lying. So you haven't had no accurate information. Nobody from California have gave one same accurate information. Everybody got different stories. So everybody who comes to this podcast and talks about prison is lying. Just about. Strange assumption. Just about.

1:37:59This is a weird assumption. How many of you ever know that? Well, I've yet to see you get a prison guard. That's not true. I interviewed a guy who actually did seven years in the feds because he was bringing drugs into Rikers Island in New York. I asked you about a guy who went convict. I said a prison guard. Well, he was a prison guard, and then he ended up getting like seven years. All criminals. What I'm saying is you haven't got a non-criminal who is typically have a greater code of moral turpitude. I think like while you're a prison guard, you're not really allowed to go do no jumper. Sure you are.

1:38:28I would assume. There's a lot of retired prison guards. If I was making the rules, I would say I think it's inappropriate for you to be doing hip-hop podcasts while you're working as a corrections officer. Well, why? Is this a negative podcast? No, it seems like you shouldn't be like trying to be famous. Hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up. You're a prison guy. Hold up, hold up. I'm glad you said that. Being a prison guy should not be a vehicle by which you should be becoming famous. So if this is not a negative podcast, why wouldn't someone of upstanding with a career come sit and talk about the other side that you guys promote?

1:38:55I was thinking there's certain kinds of careers that you shouldn't be trying to get fame off of. But you're not trying to get famous. You can do it once you're no longer a prison guard. No, no, no. This is not my fault. But while you're a prison guard? Nobody gets famous from this podcast, by the way. That's not true. Tons of people. Name one. Crip Mac. Brick Baby. He was Crip Mac before. Wack 100. Brick Baby before. He was hanging with celebrities in Atlanta before. Wack was already famous before. Brick Baby will tell you he wasn't famous before this podcast. Brick Baby was in Atlanta with who?

1:39:17With what niggas out there with the roller 60s? Hanging with some celebrity niggas? Long before your podcast. That's how we know him. He knew some famous people, but he wasn't really famous like that. Wasn't he with the famous nigga before he got to your podcast? 99 % of the people who watch No Jumper who know who Brick Baby is. You ain't made nobody famous. You made Jason Love famous. No, he was already coming. No, he wasn't. I didn't know who he was. I made him more famous for sure. Man, until he put that... You didn't make him famous. I made him more famous. No, you didn't. He made you more famous.

1:39:41You just said... Jason Love told me that 90 % of the time when people come up to him on the street, they bring up me. He made you more famous. I made him more famous. He made you more famous. I was the more famous one. This is the biggest porn video you've ever had. the more famous one. Of course, I had to make him famous. Take him out of it and what is the video? Take him out of it or what about some other dude? Put another dick in there and it's not shit. No, yeah. Some other guy would have still had a similar experience, right? They wouldn't have had the peak views that he had. He's a big, muscular, good-looking black guy.

1:40:11So, yeah, I think him doing it, he was probably like going to benefit from it more than the average guy. That's why you picked him. But it could have been any of my other friends. But nobody became famous from this podcast. I've been watching you for five years. What about Flacco? Yeah, what about XXXTentacion? What about Lil Peet? He's dead. He's not. Right, but he became one of the biggest artists in the world before he died, right? Not from here, though. Yeah, this was the one big interview that he did that launched him into superstardom. No, no, no, no, no, it didn't. No, it wasn't. Well, along with his music.

1:40:34His beef with Drake put him out there before this. His beef with Drake was totally irrelevant compared to him going on his job. No, no, no, no. You was irrelevant, man. X's No Jumper interview got 26 million views. This is the biggest rapper interview of all time. Before he died? Before he died? Obviously, that number includes after he died. Come on, don't put that in there. You're telling me that my platform doesn't make people famous when - Your platform ain't shit compared to me. The biggest rap interview of all time took place on this platform. With who? X. A dead motherfucker. He was dead after he did the interview.

1:41:04A dead motherfucker. Yeah, he died many years after he did the interview. I did 50 million this month on Instagram. What the fuck is 20 million on your podcast? I did 50 million this month. But again, you're moving the goalpost because we weren't talking about you. We're just saying that - I'm the shit. The biggest rapper interview of all time took place on my platform. He had to die for it to get big. It got bigger when he died. Before he died, what was it? What was the numbers? Probably 10 plus million. Still gigantic. Yeah, I got 11 on Cam Newton. And I ain't dead yet. Right. But that doesn't have anything to do with what we were just talking about two seconds ago.

1:41:36Nobody become famous. He was already famous. You acknowledging that you are famous has nothing to do with the fact that the biggest rapper view of an interview of all time happened here. Crick KB was already famous with the role in the 60s. Brick Baby. Brick Baby. So just being a gang member made him famous? Well, he was a famous role in the 60s gang member outside of California. So he was already famous. But until we brought him on the podcast, he didn't really reach that level of fame. He became famous maybe in Oakland, California, San Francisco, but he ain't famous in Florida. He's worldwide famous because of November.

1:42:04I've been around with him. I've been around with him before and after. He's worldwide famous because of me. I spoke his name. Brick Baby and you? I said his name. He wasn't shit to nobody. Listen, I got Brick Baby to talk about you. If it wasn't for me, he probably never would have said a word about you. He was on my dick long for you. He was in my inbox. I mean, maybe he was doing that, but nobody knew when he was DMing you, right? Well, nobody knew him from No Jumper. Boom. Nobody knew him. Well, I don't want to say nobody, but very few people knew about him. Then he comes on No Jumper. He becomes the most controversial, talked about crip in the state.

1:42:35Now, who's after him? Who else became famous from No Jumper? I give you him. I give you him. i mean it's just like a fleet of rappers and personalities over the years give me five you want to do the ai no okay yeah that's awesome who has become famous from no jumper we got to be objective so we're going to let the ai fill in you dying your house yeah suck yeah you don't know i've i done my beard you dying your hair you got seeing gray flakes right now no just the beard not the hair i'm seeing gray flakes at the top i don't judge i don't dye my hair okay the biggest success stories are probably rappers like xxx totacion lil pump lil peep juice world 69 smoke perp ugly god and then also the no jumper personalities like crit mac ad t-rail duno sharp flaco etc who really were all people that rose to prominence on the platform i give you ad i give you t-rail they became famous after this nobody had heard of him before no jumper man we five five sharp nobody knew about him before on Nojember.

1:43:38Flacco, he made his name on Nojember. Duno, saddest Mexican in the world. I agree with Flacco. Yeah, I get him Flacco. Yeah, Duno, Sharp. I get him Sharp. That's kind of a lot of people. What about 4Xtra? I get you 4Xtra. Nah, nah, nah, nah. I get you 4Xtra. You f***ed up with 4Xtra though. Lush one. You f***ed up with 4Xtra. What? That was your biggest hit. That was your biggest hit. And then he blew his hand off. Nigga, you probably get him some insurance. Insurance for illegal fireworks. Yeah. Yeah, nigga. I don't think they have that. You didn't try to stop him. You recording it. You feel me?

1:44:12So I was supposed to know what he was doing on a random day? I was in Palm Springs. I was f***ing four hours away. And then you're supposed to get him back over here and get him one of them bobbleheads. What other shit you showed me Crip Mac had? You're supposed to have him one for Crip Mac. It's in the other room. You're supposed to have him one for... That was your biggest star. That was your biggest star. 4Xtra? 4Xtra wasn't the biggest star. No, no. Crip Mac's a way bigger star than him. No. Yes. The nigga... Nah. Even Wack. Wack is a way bigger star. The Forrestra thing fell off as soon as he left.

1:44:37Oh, nigga. Nah, man. He was the biggest star. He was a big star? You think Forrestra bigger than Wack? Wack's so much more famous. Well, Wack's more famous, but nigga, Wack got his own thing. Wack didn't need Nojumper. But Wack wasn't really a relevant media personality until Nojumper. No. Everybody was scared to fuck him. He wasn't consistently on podcasts until Nojumper. Man, he ran to play clubhouse for two years straight. Audio. Audio. Right. But Clubhouse is a fool's errand. That's not really a place that's going to blow you up. That's where he's shown and displayed his media skills. But then he starts a podcast with me.

1:45:14Then all of a sudden he's one of Vlad TV's biggest recurring guests. All of a sudden academics is calling him on every single stream. Wack was not as big as he was until he became part of this platform. When Wack went and got 6 '9 and made that move with 6 '9 and Kodak Black, that solidified him in the game. No, I'm not saying he wasn't already solidified, but he became a way bigger, more consistent part of the hip-hop media landscape once he came on. Whack brought a lead light to a dull light. Your light was dull when that's a lead light. That big old bright light that you use and light these motherfucking rooms up.

1:45:47You mean LED? Yeah, them LED lights. You was dull at the time. Well, he was the first person we picked up along with Brick Baby. You was dull at the time. After all those other guys left the final. You was dull, so you got to thank Whack for what he brought. We were at a slow point, so I brought him on and made him a bigger star. Four extra became a lightning phenomenon in such a short amount of time. I did that. I made him. No, you didn't. Yes, I did. I don't know what that he said. He was on other platforms. Then he comes on no jumper. We made him gigantic. His energy that he brought. You didn't bring that energy.

1:46:16But it was me bringing it out of him. No, no, no. I'm the one who put the plate of carrots on the table and he bashed them away because he wanted to lie and deny that he was putting them in people's butts. Man, that nigga energy. He raped a motherfucker in prison with a carrot. So? That's what they do in prison. I know. And I respect their culture. Me too. I fucking brought that out of him. But his storytelling, nigga, his animation, his theatrical. But 4X is just like Boosie where Boosie on his own, eh. 4X on his own, eh. You put him with a genius content creator like Vlad or me and we're able to turn motherfuckers into stars as podcasters.

1:46:51I'm watching that nigga hang on with 8 ,000 here at 12th. I'm watching him do the numbers on Instagram without no help. 4X. His career has been flat lined ever since he blew his hand off. Man, you lying to me. I'm still watching him do numbers on Instagram. What kind of numbers are you talking about? Enough numbers that a nigga ain't supposed to have like him. Wait, wait, you're talking about like the likes on his posts? Because I'm pretty sure if you actually look at it, it's going to be kind of dark. Man, you're going to hate on the guy. No, I'm not hating on him. And listen. You said that he should have died after he blew his hand off.

1:47:21How am I hating on him? I didn't mean that, y 'all. You did say that. I did that because I would mean to the Californians. Okay, Forextra posted a photo of himself standing outside a gas station eight hours ago, 686 likes. That's just a picture by itself. Keep going down. But I'm saying. But let him go to storytelling. Let him go to talking and doing what he do. He just standing there. He ain't the most handsome nigga for you to like a bunch of pictures. He's pretty good looking. Okay, there's a reel he posted like four days ago or something, 2 ,000 likes. That's good numbers for a nigga like him.

1:47:48Not exactly shaking the earth. That's good numbers. That's just his insights that he's seeing. Nigga, four extra insights might say 12 ,000, 13 ,000. You think that the insights provide a different story about how many views you got? It's called engagements. It's called organic engagements. All yours ain't organic, Mr. Bot, man. I don't got no bots. Who got bots? You, nigga. I have zero bots. Hand on my heart. Hand on the Bible. Whatever the fuck you want me to do. I ain't never bought no views. Never bought bots. Ever. I believe you. Huh? I believe this. He knows. He's got access to the back end.

1:48:23He sees the views as they're coming in every single time. I would never do that. So you put it on porn, you ain't got no buy. On porn, on my kid, on my wife, on Jason Love's BBC, on everything. Well, right now they're clearing them out, exposing them. So I believe, I mean, yeah. Yeah, I could never do that. Yeah. No, I mean, if there was going to be a time where I would have bought viewers, it would have been three years ago when all the hosts left the platform. You can't hit on 4X. And I sorely needed it. It meant the right nigga get rid of 4X, but he ain't going to listen. But no, he, man. You said that he should have died.

1:48:50I didn't mean that. I swear to God. So you know he's ducking shit. Are you taking it back? Well, if he were here, I'm going to say I meant it. But just being truthfully talking to you, man to man, nigga, just something to say for content. But I ain't mean it. Hot nigga go die for it. My whole problem with him is that, listen, I do a podcast where I sit with all kinds of gang members on a consistent basis. And after he blew his hand off, I ended up being on a podcast with a couple of different bloods who had a few little jokes about it because they actually beef with him in real life. And then he basically took that and he said, all in his feelings, oh, you sit down with a motherfucker who's going to talk crazy about me after I lose my hand.

1:49:23That's why I'm never going to do again. And he lied and he said that I was laughing about it, that I was making jokes about it. Total cap. The 4S to your friend? I thought we were friends, but it turns out that he was a backstabbing prick. But why would you let some niggas come on your platform and talk about his hand being blown? Because they're ops. Who the fuck am I to say that one op can say this and one op can't? Vlad wouldn't let me come talk from this bullshit. Yeah. To me, that's him compromising his ethics and his integrity as a podcaster. Imagine how much money he lost. because me and Vlad did numbers too.

1:49:52I agree. He didn't, but if he was going to have to give up on Boosie for you, I mean, that's a tough decision, right? Yeah. But the conversation shouldn't be about numbers. It should be about your morals. So let me ask you, so you and him can't make it right just to give us one more shot? Because I love watching y 'all. Me and Forexia, I would like to do it, honestly, but I mean, I'm just not going to jump out the window to make it happen. I sent the nigga message. He got to kind of come to me. I sent the nigga message. I ain't going to boo, I had sent the nigga, because I love watching. I ain't watched none of your shit till he got I don't know.

1:50:20I won't watch nobody you get on her up but him. You should watch this footage. We got him sticking a carrot in somebody's ass. I don't want to see that shit. I ain't in the porn. I told you I want to do soft porn up under the cover. You could do soft porn, but then you can watch raw carrot videos. You got the footage. I got a little laugh out of my face. You got the footage. See that? He's cracking. We got Unk cracking. So you got the footage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I paid 10 grand for it. Not even because he's in it, but just because I like carrots. stay on some gay shit man it's a weird shit gay is as gay does man I bet he mean to Miss Leonard I bet he ain't sweet and loving I bet you a prick I bet you ain't sweet and loving you pretty I'm the sweetest in the whole goddamn world and you don't spend a lot of time with the kids no I spend as much time as possible with the kids while also being a workaholic having to make all this money you know who we calling the love of my life my LOML.

1:51:17Hopefully she picks up. Say they let Crip Mac travel. You think we can get him to come to Miami? Well, he's supposed to fight soon. I heard he accepted one. A brand risk? Possibly. You gonna be in Vegas? Yep. I see. I'm going. Johnny Manziel. I had to look that up. Lenny, can you just tell Justin White how nice I am to you in our day-to-day lives? Because he thinks that I'm mean to you. Pull that shit out. You're pretty nice. I don't know why you would think you're mean to me. He seemed like an asshole I mean he can be a jerk sometimes I knew it Miss Lena Yeah I knew it Miss Lena Wait you're taking the eye?

1:51:54Yeah I'll pull that shit out Charleston White's got some kind of weird thing for you So I just wanted to double check and make sure She's no Miss She's Mrs. Grand Mason I call her Miss like Miss Lily The master wife Miss like master wife With the kiddos No that's good I love you Y 'all see you in a little bit. To the kids. Love you too, buddy. You see how nice and normal that is? She's at the playground with the kids. Yeah. So y 'all really are a normal couple. Yeah, we got a normal-ass relationship. Already. Yeah. You don't ask me to come back to this mother f***ing thing. He didn't want to argue.

1:52:29She got mad at me for smoking weed still. I told her I was going to stop, but. Yeah. I feel like he's smoking weed. And you got a cocaine nose, too. I do not do a cocaine. No. He got a cocaine nose. I ain't never snorted in my life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did a lot of coke in my life, though. I've never tried it. Really? You never. I grew up in a boy's home. I ain't get to be bad until I got 21, 22. It'll change you. Yeah, that's what they say. Once you do coke, you realize there's a different level of happiness or excitement that you don't normally have. I heard a lot of gangster niggas that were from the 70s and the 80s say once they got cocaine, they saved their life.

1:53:01Yeah. Because they got weak for the dope. I think it had a mostly negative impact on my life. But cocaine, I'll tell you, is the only drug that I ever did where I took a shit right away and then did like 50 push-ups. Like, that's what I wanted to do. I took a shit and then I did 50 push-ups. I don't know if you mean like that. Yeah, yeah. And shout out to my man Antoine Salas. You had him on your podcast one before. What was that? The credit guy. Yeah, the credit genius. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Real smooth, brother. Yeah, San Diego. All right. Yeah, and he said you were beefing with San Diego at one point in time, talking shit against you.

1:53:32I just said they haven't had any star rappers. They do. You just ain't went out there and put your podcast in the field to go see. What about Nick Cannon? If they're real stars, you probably shouldn't have to go there to find out that they exist. But Nick Cannon is the closest we can get. You know, J.O. Felony and Mitchie Slick both had their runs about 20 years ago. And since then, it's been a little quiet. They do have like underground stars, like little weirdos representing the Mexican side of things. There's this dude, Rob Stone, who 10 years ago had like a really big hit. They got like half a billion views or something like that.

1:54:01Say somebody from San Diego hit me and let's start doing music reviews and make him look like he, yeah, I sound like he hate. It's one of y 'all done f***ed something he done had before and he sound like you hating on San Diego. Actually, the first show I ever got booked to perform at as a podcast host, some guy offered me$1 ,000 to go to San Diego. I did so. The mother f***er didn't pay me, basically said that the show was such a disaster that he couldn't pay me and I was too stupid to have gotten a deposit. but I did end up fucking some girl and she ended up taking a selfie while I was eating her ass and then somehow this leaked onto the internet and it's out there.

1:54:38So you didn't know Lena. That's the problem. This was pre-Lena. They didn't got their lick back. She dumped out the muck with the eye? She get paid to follow instructions. What the fuck? You're paying her? I got me a Miss Lily. I thought that was your little girlfriend. That's my assistant. No? You really his assistant? Yeah. Slash role manager. She has some ass for an assistant. I don't know about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would never hire a hot assistant. Yeah, but yeah, nigga, I take it personal when you talk about my eye. So you're taking that? I'm taking his eye with me. Look, it's Sean Collins.

1:55:07He said the mafia got it. How the mafia go get my eye? Well, it didn't seem like he was telling the truth. And he just come up pretty, yeah, he know I was mad. I called him, he laughed like a motherfucker. I'll call you right back. Yeah? Yeah, we still be talking. So you guys still cool, huh? That's my brother, homie. But will you acknowledge that he could have, if he chose to, he could have put a negative spin on that whole thing, said a bunch of shit about you, that would have made it so that you guys were not able to so easily reconcile. No, no, he couldn't. No, he's Mr. Chill. He couldn't because me and him have never had any issues like that.

1:55:39Me and him have never really had a real falling out. Never. We've never had an argument. It's times he'll say, well, man, the last interview did$600 ,000. Shit, man, you give me$5K. man other than do so good but shoot me something say man the payment didn't come through he didn't answer the phone so we got a very good working relationship we've never had no issues do you feel like Boosie and the way that the whole Vibe situation is falling apart does that feel like Boosie getting his comeuppance in a certain way for thinking that he was bigger than the program no I think I think a lot of shows been canceled lately from Boosie He just had that new house built for his mother.

1:56:26He had another house built. He got some more construction added to the house. So you start looking at your finances and looking at ways on how you maybe can squeeze some money. And he was wrong. I think that was greed. Oh, yeah. I think that was most definitely greed. I know Sean Cotton done paid some people more than me. I know some people he done paid for a fact that I know. But I ain't never call him because when I gave him my price, that's what I believe I'm worth. So why would I increase my worth? Because I'm looking at his worth. I understand this at that time, homie. 6ix9ine was worth what he paid.

1:57:09And the thing is, is that you might have done 50 interviews with Sean Cotton. Now, if there was another guy doing less views than you who had done a ton of different interviews with him and he was paying him significantly more, it would be understandable for you to be upset. But that's not the case. He paid 6ix9ine more because it was 6ix9ine's first big, long, in-depth interview like that. And as soon as they did the first interview, they moved down to a different rate for all the subsequent interviews that was actually much less than what Boosie was getting paid. Boosie should have been happy about how that whole situation played out.

1:57:45He should have been thankful. I'm not losing$25 ,000 for$5 ,000. No way. that's what i said that's what i said i've had I did three years worth of interviews with the real life street stars. A lot of times they couldn't pay me what I was asking for. So I would take partial payments. Right. Take partial payments. Somebody else would come along with a somewhat smaller platform. I'd charge them less than what I'm charging them. Catered all budgets. I catered the budgets. But I'm not ruining my residual income. For no$5 ,000. No, no for no$5 ,000. A real hustle don't even think like that. Man, I done had a nigga say, man, Sean Cotton say he make$100 ,000 off you a month and showed him.

1:58:32Nigga, I wasn't offended. Right. Because some months I might make$30 ,000. We do three interviews, two interviews. One time it had been four interviews in a month. Sometime it might be one interview every other month. I'm not ruining that residual income for pricing. And part of having the business relationship is that, you know, if you knew that Sean Cotton profited, you know, like in an interview where he pays you 10K that he was making 40K, you going to him and saying, I need 40K, that just shows like an inherent lack of respect for the person that you're doing business with. Now, maybe to say half, okay, sure.

1:59:07Like, you know, you probably got the leverage to do that. That's why I said in my clip, I said Vlad need to be more, he need to goddamn be more open to it. Like, niggas he getting money to, he need to make sure they appreciate it. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, nigga didn't like Boosie. He didn't appreciate it. When I asked, so let me just say this. Me and Vlad had already been talking. If I had the mindset like Boosie, when Vlad reached back out to me, I already know he done paid$6 ,950. I already know he done paid Boosie$25. I could have easily moved that number up to$20. I didn't do that, nigga.

1:59:42That ain't my character. What's the number? What I charge? Same thing, what I charge. Well, I'm from, we call this shit pocket watch. It's partially Vlad's fault because he put all these numbers out on Front Street for everybody to dig into. Well, I would do it. I would do it. I would tell people what I was getting paid for, and they would go to say TTV, man, when you paying Charleston$10 ,000, go, yeah, yo, did that, man, you paying, but you're not doing these numbers. I consistently do these numbers. One time when me and you negotiated doing that, like what you tell me, man, I've been looking at your numbers.

2:00:15I ain't paying that because your number's good. well how you gonna hate on that you you asked me for the boosty rate for that one yeah that that that that was the racist fee i was putting on you okay all right even though you have told me repeatedly that you like me because i'm so racist yeah i do but you like niggas too much openly you ain't never mistreated now one of these gangbangers i can understand how once you get into the the part of me liking black people so much that some of them are having sex with my wife i gotta understand how that would be kind of disturbing i just i just want you to jump up and Say, nigga, you fire.

2:00:46And have your security coming here and standing around one of them big old niggas and walk them out. Because they ain't going to throw a punch at you, Adam. I just wish you'd just call them a nigga one time. I don't like to say that word. Oh, man. When did the last time you said that word, Adam? Maybe like by myself singing one to a song probably. Oh, okay. So you ain't never been to call a fucking nigga? No, no, no. See, I don't like you. That's too much. No, that's too much. Say, get that white boy up for this call and everybody niggas. Get him up real. Chud. Can you get Chud? I would like to get him on here.

2:01:14Chud, come up real, man. I don't know if he's coming to LA. I'll come with you. I wouldn't ever come to LA. But also, if I was him, I wouldn't really trust me. Right? Like, why wouldn't I? Yeah, you're a n*** lover. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you're probably the worst of his kind. Yeah, yeah. If I was him. You'd really love him. I just heard that there's a video where Flacco and him did a debate and that Flacco allegedly took it down because it didn't really go his way. Because Flacco got a speech impediment. He can't debate with nobody. He done got better, though. It has got better, but I can imagine when you're face-to-face with Chud.

2:01:45He's going to call you your champion, monkey, and Flacco's tongue going to get fat again. Flacco's tongue going to get fat again. It's interesting, though, because Flacco, one time we did a streamed interview with Nick Fuentes, and he agreed with Nick Fuentes on literally everything the entire time. Well, I do, too. Yeah. But Flacco's character used to be a little bit more derivative of Charleston. I feel like he's maybe figured himself out a little bit more since then. he couldn't find his niche so it was hard to like him yeah yeah now he's likable now he comes off more as a real independent journalist yeah now he ain't just saying crazy shit how do you feel about him exposing the guy that he claims killed Draco the ruler even though the guy has not been arrested he hasn't been formally announced as a suspect or anything like that but Flacco made a video and basically said, this is the blood gang member who killed Draco the Ruler at the music festival by stabbing him in the neck.

2:02:45I think that's an overreach. I think that's wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you don't want it to happen to you. Yeah. It happened to me with Flocko. I know. Flocko playing. Yeah, yeah, Flocko playing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No. That's Flocko my nigga, but I think he shouldn't do that. Yeah, yeah, Flocko playing. That ain't the real nigga. Flocko playing. I saw some of it. Flocko playing. They got the nigga that killed that man. didn't he? No. They didn't? They haven't arrested anybody. That ain't the nigga. It's been like five years. That ain't the nigga because if that was the nigga Flacco wouldn't be talking to you tomorrow.

2:03:17I don't know. I mean he said but the reason why he justified making this video about the guy is because he said that basically this guy is already under investigation by the cops. The cops told Flacco this allegedly and that's why he felt so comfortable bringing it to the table is because the guy's already under investigation. Did DeFlocko come out and say that the police told him that? He said that. I believe him. Is it true? We don't know. He don't come out. Well, yeah, he lied on me one time, said I fucked a cat. I had my lawyer and everything go sue that nigga. I would sue the podcast. But he retracted it, though.

2:03:51Listen, I'm okay with you talking about a lot of stuff, but fucking a cat is over the line. Yeah, no, I tried to mace a cat, but I didn't get to mace the motherfucker. Cats are not like dogs. Dogs will let you mace them. I almost got my Charleston White on. there was a homeless guy sleeping outside of my house and I was thinking about tear gas in the middle of the night to let him know he got to get the fuck out. You're going to jail. It's like a hate crime. I was going to make sure I covered my tracks. There you go. Now if you get them on your property it's only a crime when you get caught. You're not.

2:04:17You're not. I was looking at all the cameras around the neighborhood. I was blocking out my whole scheme. So when I got attacked at the barbershop by that nigga who hit me in the head I caught two egg assaults that day for chasing after them on my gun. Wait really? Nobody ever got the police report. So yeah, I caught two ag assaults. That's why I kept going to jail. So when I caught those two ag assaults, here come Tracy Carter and them bitch ass. So somebody had sent a video from two years ago to my local police department of me saying I maced a cat. And I tried to mace it, but I couldn't. But when I turned the camera around, I played like I maced a cat and the cat was wiping his face.

2:04:56You know how they wipe their paws? Yeah. So I played like wiping the face. Yeah, and what I said, well, every time I get mad at white people online, I mistreat animals. I come over and mistreat these goddamn cats. So somebody from another state sent that to their county sheriff. Their county sheriff department contacted the Fort Worth Police Department. Fort Worth Police Department called me and said, hey, Charles, we got video of you macing a cat. I said, man, if y 'all had a motherfucking video of me, y 'all see I ain't macing that motherfucking cat, man. He said, well, Charles, you just need to be careful.

2:05:24They sat on that video for two years. And then when I caught the two Agasauce case, they put the animal crew chair on me. They were trying to give me five years in prison for that animal crew chair. They really wanted to drop the Agasauce because the nigga who hit me was a gangster slash killer slash snitch. Well, if you stick with No Jumper, then we're going to do some image repair and we're going to get you past this whole cat killing saga. I beat it. I beat the chart. I took it to trial. The owner of the cat contacted the prosecutor. The prosecutor talked to the owner of the cat. The owner of the cat said, I was in the car that day.

2:05:56He did not mace mine. I was cleared of all motherfucking charges. So now I'm back toting them guns. Bro, see, Texas sounds amazing where they're actually like apprehending people and like filing cases against people and stuff. And LA is like, you could just literally do anything you want. I've heard of that. And if you just get like unbelievably unlucky, you might get caught. But for the most part, you can just do whatever the fuck you want. They trying to, they done decriminalized California at the wrong time. Yeah. Your motherfucker damn near can do anything but commit violence. And they damn near getting away with that out here.

2:06:24The immigrants. Yeah. All right. Yo, I got to go on this date. I enjoyed this. Glad we were able to pass shit up. I'm a big, big fan. This guy made it happen. Well, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Let me just say this. Wack 100 tipped the iceberg, but Jason Love pushed me through the door. When I saw him have you running around that ring, and you were really flinching, and Leonard was looking nervous and worried about it over there, I said, man, nigga, you're really a good guy. It was all a play. yeah shout out Charles and White shout out Hernandez Govan No Jumper coolest podcast in the world like comment and subscribe check us out on YouTube Instagram TikTok and shout out to our members hey Pimp Mac can we get one in fight fight say can we get one in he's gonna say nah good disrespecting Nipsey Hussle and tell baby snaps oh I'm gonna put some money on these books to make it right woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo Thank you.