Dawgface on Doing 17 Years in Prison, Disrespects Wack100, J Prince Jr & More

24:03I was all prepared to max out. I had did 17 years. I had three more years to go. So it was almost a surprise that you got out three years before that. When I went to the parole board, man, I was shocked. I wasn't even going to go. I was like, I'm going to max out this shit. I already been locked up 17 years. I got three more years before I max out. The guy let me go then. I was all prepared to max out. I went to see a parole board because my man, to tell you the truth, it was my man named Tricky. He's from L.A. He a crip. He got caught up in a robbery murder situation in Michigan. And he was one of my main partners while I was in prison.

24:36They kicked my dough back and said, man, the parole board, here to see you, right? I'm like, man, close my dough. I ain't going to go see no parole board. I got three more years. So my man said, listen, I ain't never going home. He said, whenever these white folks give you an opportunity to fight for your freedom or to speak for your freedom, you take it. Don't never just sit in here and just give up like that. Because even though you only got three years, man, whenever you get the opportunity to go to fight for it and be able to talk for your own freedom, you take it because I'm never going home.

25:05So that's why I put my clothes on and went to the parole board. When I went to see him, you ever see Shawshank Redemption? When he went in there, he's like, man, I don't even give a fuck. Man, whatever y 'all going to do, do it. I don't give a fuck. I had that kind of attitude, right? I had that kind of attitude. So they asked me, what was I going to do when I got home? I said, I don't know. I ain't got a clue. Because I had three years left, so I ain't give a f***. When you go home, what's the first thing you're going to do? I said, I'm going to go spend some time with my kids, take me to get some ice cream.

25:36Her name was Barbara Sampson. She was the hitter pro board. She's like, you ain't going to go have sex with your lady? I said, no, I've been jacking off 17 years. I'm thinking about the first thing I'm going to do when I get free or if I ever get free is I'm gonna go spend some time with my kids taking me the ice cream comb. You know what I'm saying? Because it was raised. She had to raise them without me. Yeah. So the first thing I was gonna do, the first thing I told her I was gonna do was look my kids. And she said, really? I'm like, yeah. Like, you ain't gonna go, go to, go have a drink or go smoke weed?

26:07I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't use drugs. I'm like, nah. I'm gonna go get my kids and take them to get the ice cream comb. Right? I get up and I walked out. They said, I'll get an answer in the mail. About three weeks later, they said, pack up. I said, well, I'm going. You're going to the re-entry program. They had a re-entry program. They put gas. We have parole. It was like a three-month program you had to go through to help you get your ID, your Social Security card, you know what I'm saying, trying to figure out what your home situation is going to be. And I was shocked. I was shocked.

26:39I was like, I damn, I started crying. I cried three times while I was in prison, and that was the last time I cried. Wow. Okay, so you get out, and then what do you actually start doing? You go through this whole reentry program and everything, but what do you end up doing and what's life like? Oh, I came home. I got married immediately when I came home. To the mother of your kids? Yeah. Nice. I got married immediately, and she was doing so well, so she put me in a position to do well. Really? I was lucky to have a woman who believed in me. And she held you down that whole time? Yeah. Wow, that's amazing.

27:12Yeah, yeah. She helped me down. And even times, even during that 17-year period, she was in relationships, but she never stopped coming to see me. She never stopped bringing my kids to see me. She never stepped right in me, even when she was in a relationship. Okay. Because I didn't look at it like she was my woman. Yeah. Because you ain't my woman. I've been in prison forever. You hear me? Yeah. So I kind of changed the dynamic of the relationship to where we became friends. So it wasn't about no expectations. So when she had trouble with some of the guys that she was dealing with, she would come and tell me about it.

27:41She would call me or come on the visit and tell me about it. Right? Because when I was locked up, man, one of the old guys who helped school me to the prison system told me that a lot of the guys lose their female. Not because the female don't love you, but because the longer you're in prison, those females are going to have relationships. Right. And when you press them about it, all you're going to do is push them away from you. Right. Right? So I changed the relationship from one where you're the mother of my kids to you're like my sister. Right. We're friends. So no matter what you do, you can come tell me.

28:10Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You ain't got to be worried about me tripping about you with no nigga. That's a very mature perspective from someone who it doesn't seem like was behaving very maturely in other aspects of your life. Like all the stabbing people and all this kind of shit is like pretty immature realistically, but that perspective seems very mature because that's how you're going to hold on to her. I got like somebody pulled my coattail. You know what I'm saying? So I grew up, my older brother was, so it's kind of like I'm the youngest was the four boys. My oldest brother was a jazz aficionado.

28:40He loved jazz. Okay. Right? So prior to him getting locked up, he was the one who was kind of like schooling me to certain shit. And so one of the things that made the older guys in the prison system gravitate towards me is that back then, jazz was a major component in terms of music in the prison system, right? Okay. So a lot of the old heads, they've been locked up 20, 30 years, and they were jazz. They ain't listening to hip hop. They're listening to all jazz. Yeah. So because my older brother was a jazz head, I knew about Grover Washington Jr. I knew about Chick Corea. I knew about Alexander John Zink.

29:10I knew about Manhattan Transfer. So the old guys, when they would have conversations about music, they could talk to me about it because I'm the young dog who knew about jazz. So a lot of them said, well, if you came from something like that, we're going to try to school you on what it takes to survive in the prison system. So I was around some of the most legendary. Suicide, Louisville was in there. Auto X was in there. M1 was in there, Lola Ann Spencer was in there. I was around some legendary man who kinda like, they took me under their wing. And so do you, at that point once you're out, are you basically free of the streets or are you getting back into trouble?

29:48Yeah, when I came home I was free of the streets bro. I was done with that shit. You know what I'm saying, I never jumped back into the streets cause I came home, I got a job. I got a job and then I started a couple of businesses and the businesses started to flourish. Okay, what was the job? I was a janitor, man. My first job, I came home, because when you're in prison, you get a job as a janitor type shit, right? So when I came home, first job I got, I was a janitor. I was stripping and waxing floors in a plant, in a car manufacturing plant. And from there, I became a supervisor. From there, I became a site operations manager.

30:19From there, I became a regional manager. And from there, it just catapulted into different things. I worked for Chrysler. I worked for General Motors as a site operations manager. I worked for the airport. I got a job at the airport as a supervisor in the airport. Is the prison time a big negative on your resume when it comes to getting those kind of positions? It can be, but I was like, that was so long. So what happens now is that most employers, they only look back seven to 10 years. Okay. I had been on 17 years. Yeah, right. So when it came time for me, I didn't know that at the point in time, but when I started to fill out applications and I started to get hits, it was a couple times where the HR manager said you ain't even had to put this down because we're only going to go back 7 years we're only going to go back 10 years you've been gone since Jesus walked the you ain't even had to put that shit down because most companies don't do lifetime background checks unless you're working in something where it has to do with money a banking system or something like that but most plant jobs especially in Michigan they only look back 7 to 10 years so you basically build a whole life for yourself doing all that stuff like having a traditional job and you're making serious money and you're still with the mother of your kids at that point.

31:31How do you end up getting more involved in the media side of things? Is that the next step from this or is there other stuff in between? The next step was, well, the media shit came is I was rapping when I came out of prison. I realized I was too old to be rapping. I'm 40 years old. I don't want to hear what the fuck I got to talk about. You're 40 right now? No, I was 40. 40 at the time. I was in there 40 years old. The media thing came in is that I'm the first person to do urban podcasting in the city of Detroit. I was on an internet radio platform, and I had a show that came on once a week called Unleashed.

32:06A friend of mine named Sessions is a person who actually helped me start that shit, right? I was on an internet radio platform called World Wide Core Radio. The person who led that to me was my man Sessions, and so I was always an opinionated, crazy, shit-talking motherfucker. Even in prison, I was a crazy talker. The internet radio side of things, what year are we talking? That's 2010-11. Oh, wow. That's super old school. Yeah, this is before YouTube actually kind of like took off, right? Yeah, yeah. And so what happened was is that when YouTube started to come into effect, the same person who introduced me to internet radio said we should jump on YouTube.

32:38We should take our shows and film them and slap them on YouTube. At that point in time, nobody knew what the podcast was. The only examples I had for podcasting was like Howard Stern and the Rush Limbaugh show. There was no urban podcasting. The term podcasting wasn't even part of the urban vernacular at that point. Even me, I didn't become a podcast fan until probably like 2013. I really discovered like Joe Rogan and shit. So I started it. It took off crazy. You've interviewed some of the biggest rappers in the city of Detroit. Some of the biggest rappers in the city of Detroit. Their first podcast experience was on my show in 2011, 2012.

33:16And that was a glorious time period where a lot of people did podcasts because they just didn't have the same understanding of podcasts that we have now, where people now, they want to get paid, or they just don't. They don't want to do too many interviews because they're trying to protect their image, etc. There's a lot of crazy podcasts that came out in the early days of hip-hop podcasting that probably will never happen again. No, it never happened again. Yeah, it never happened again. Yeah, that's crazy. So, okay, you get into doing that kind of content, but then at what point does, like how does that slowly transform and grow as the years go by?

33:49Just my personality helped it grow. I was always a shit-talking, rebel-rousing-ass. I was always a rattlesnake-ass. And I've never been afraid to speak my opinion. So that's what helped it grow. I became more notorious because on my podcast, I would just simply tell the truth about all the shit that I was singing. You can't be effective as a podcaster if you're afraid to tell the truth. Simple as that. You'll never make it nowhere. Most of the shit that happens in the urban environment, right? Most of that shit is dumb, ridiculous, stupid-ass shit. If you are a person who's afraid to tell the truth about it, you'll never get nowhere.

34:25People like controversy. That's why people fall in love with the Charleston Whites of the world. People fall in love with some of the more controversial types who exist in the whole podcast, YouTube space. If you're a truth teller, whether people like it or not, your brain is going to grow faster than somebody straddling the fence, sitting on the edge, don't want to tell the truth about something. I became known as a person who, no matter what, I'll tell your ass up. That's what it was. I'm going to light your ass up. Because everybody knows that if you go hang out with the guys outside the liquor store or whatever, for me it was like hanging out at the skate park with a bunch of BMX skate dudes or whatever.

35:00It's like dudes' opinions about rappers or what's going on in the culture or whatever are super untethered by being polite at all. They don't give a fuck about that. People are saying, man, I hate this rapper. He's a bitch. He's a hoe. He's a whatever, blah, blah, blah. but then meanwhile if you want to like hear people express those exact same viewpoints on a podcast it's like pretty tough because people don't really love to especially once you get to a position of power or influence people don't love to hop on a podcast and basically ruin any chance of ever having a relationship with that person a rapper and so over the years i've ran into that a million times with different podcast hosts where it's like oh you're never going to be a great podcaster because you want to be able to see this dude and this dude in the club and be able to pop a bottle with him and take a shot, etc.

35:45And that's probably not going to happen. Now, to be fair, now we have people modeling it where academics is very, very outspoken. And seems like he can kind of maintain relationships with the rappers a lot of times, even despite being outspoken. That's because they're afraid of him. That's because they're afraid of him. But also, he manages to do it in a way that's not necessarily super disrespectful, which I feel like sometimes I have an issue with that. He can get disrespectful. He can, but it's not. A lot of times he doesn't. He's having a little baby. What's this happening with him with a little baby?

36:12he probably ain't gonna be popping the name bottles with baby in the near future probably not yeah probably not but that's what it is though so the whole thing about the podcast space is you can't be afraid to tell the truth and you can't be trying to be friends with all these listen so there's never a shortage of content because niggas is always doing dumb shit yeah every day you wake up is niggas doing new dumb shit right so there's never a shortage of information there's never a shortage of subject listen we went to sleep one day woke up the next day and Pooh Shisey and them allegedly robbed Gucci Man.

36:44Right. Would have been hard to imagine a few days before that. Yeah, we go to sleep the same night we wake up, Gucci Man and make statements again. Right? Yeah. We go to sleep, we wake up, some other dumbass shit is going to happen. Yep. We're never going to have, it's never going to be as short as the content because the content is just simply looking at the lives of people who are entertainers. Yeah. Who are athletes. Yeah. Who are famous. Who are celebrities. It's never going to be as short as that because most of those people who have celebrity status, most of them motherfuckers are stupid as a motherfucker.

37:15And they're rushing towards their own destruction. There's never a shortage of that. Sometimes it feels like so many people have been killed or locked up that it does feel like there's almost a limited number of people that are really worth paying attention to, but then new shit just unfolds. Like the Pusha C and Gucci Mane thing. Especially within specific communities, like in the SoundCloud world, it's like, damn, all these fools got killed. or overdosed and then in the drill world, everybody getting locked up or getting killed. But yeah, I mean, like there's always going to like the culture will always find new people to pay attention to.

37:50You're never going to go out of business. I've been critical of you. And you know I have, right? Somewhat. I've been critical of you. And here are some of the things I've said about you. Sure. Right. I never called you a culture vulture. Okay. Because I know the culture that we live in, all the things that we consider like hip hop, for example. Hip-hop is not just a black thing. Hip-hop is a Latin thing. Hip-hop is a white thing. Some of the most legendary figures in hip-hop were whiter than you are right now. The Rick Rubins of the world. Some of the most influential people in hip-hop. They come from different walks of life and different racial backgrounds.

38:26I've been critical of you because I have felt like that I've called you Jerry Springer. You remember that? That's fair. Yeah, I've called you Jerry Springer. I'm a big Jerry Springer fan. all niggas. You a nigga. Thank you. You a nigga. You an honorary nigga. Come on. I'll take that as a compliment in this specific context. Listen, Jerry Springer's biggest fan base was unemployed people watching TV in the middle of the day. Motherfucker, right. But a large percentage of probably black people watching that shit. Poor people. Poor people. Right? You don't see the director of Microsoft watching Jerry Springer.

39:05So it wasn't even about race It was about just It was like a status thing Less about race More about static I've called you I've called you a show A modern day Jerry Springer I never called you A culture vulture And I never said That you were the police I never said Vlad was the police You know why? Because You don't go looking for Crime to talk about If you're interviewing somebody And they're stupid enough To expose Some type of criminality On your show that's not your fault. Your job as a content creator is to get the story that nobody else can get. That's your job. So if you know something about me and you ask me something about my past, or if you ask me about something that you know that I'm involved with, it's your job to get the scoop as a content creator.

39:54You don't want to interview me if I'm saying all the same shit that I said to him, him, him, and her. No, your job as an effective content creator is to get the story, to get the scoop. So if a rapper or somebody in the street is stupid enough to tell you something that they shouldn't be telling you, that's not your fault. And I saw you and I've heard about you taking content down when you were sitting across from somebody and they were stupid enough to talk about a crime that was unsolved. And so at first I was just hypercritical of you until somebody pulled my coat. I think Cliff World. Cliff World is the one.

40:34Shout out to Cliff. Yeah, Cliff World told me, like, man, Adam, there have been so many guys have incriminated themselves on Adam's show. And on No Jumper just as a whole, even on No Jumper News. And Adam reviewed that shit and told him he would take that shit down. It may have been too late in some respects. You hear me? Like when you had the baby shooters and the, what's his name? What's his nigga name? Loose Cannon. Right? Loose Cannon sit on your show and talked about all kinds of criminal shit. Yeah. And you took it down. Well, I took that down specifically because I thought Big U was going to sue me.

41:09You took it down and never left. Yeah. You hear me? Sue you for what? You're going to sue me because somebody else said something about you. He was like basically threatening us because he said that we were. He was never going to win that in court because you didn't say it. And you were not pushing the narrative. Yeah. I mean, we were really just asking this guy, Loose Cannon, about this story that he had that, you know, it was well supported, the fact that he spent all this time with Big U. he was telling us about stuff that we had never heard of like oh me and Big U used to go rob dispensaries together and then we would go chop up the money and he would stiff me on some of the money shit like that and we'd be like we're sitting there like God like Big U doing shit like that like we had never I didn't know.

41:47Hey listen Loose Cannon is arguably one of the stupidest that the streets have ever saw whether it's LA or New York or whatever you can't find many more people who were as stupid as he was right he locked up right now because he put himself there. People blame Wack. I don't like Wack at all. Period. I don't like Wack. Get down. I don't like his politics. The one thing that Wack is good for is manipulating stupid ass to get them to do what he wants them to do. The specific situation with Lewis Cannon, there's probably no more extreme example than him doing it with him. He fully weaponized this dumbass dude to basically over somebody he considers an enemy.

42:29He's under indictment right now because he was, listen, He hated Big U so much. And so the whole thing with Wacky is the enemy of my enemy is my friend. So he took Loose Cannon, and he took all the things that Loose Cannon knew. Loose Cannon knew more about Big U than Wack ever did. And they were all friends at one point in time. Wack was friends with Big U at one time, but Loose Cannon was like his drone. He was like his lap dog. And so WAC 100 used Loose Cannon to expose Big U in such a way to where Big U was doomed. The second that Loose Cannon came on your show, Big U was through. He was through.

43:09Because this man's telling stories about U-Haul trucks getting stolen from Big U's house. He's telling stories about Meek Mills getting cornered in the club. He's telling stories about extortion, robbery, assaults. all things that he was involved in. Like as if the Statue of Limitations is like just a couple years and this is all good. He's in prison because he told stories about big used criminal activity and guess who was involved in it? Him. It don't get no more stupider than that. On the level of stupidity if 10 being the highest that nigga's a moron, he's an imbecile. The dumbest. He in prison because, or he finna go to prison because of his own level of stupidity, and he was used like a pawn on a wax chessboard.

44:01I mean, the situation with Luce Cannon where him and his boys beat the f*** out of a dude in the alley. I mean. Right out here? Yeah, yeah. I mean, listen, like, I respect doing that to someone. If you got an issue with somebody, you feel like somebody disrespected you, you want to beat the f*** out of them, I mean, that's how it goes. But then you posted the video. and now like very recently all the other guys from that situation got arrested and like they already got this whole case against loose cannon I guess this gets added to it at some point but like the level of stupidity to do that and then post that is breathtaking listen to this right let me tell you we in LA right now right attention all crips whack 100 got a thing for y 'all whack 100 is he gonna use your own desire to be famous, he's going to use Clubhouse.

44:53He's going to use YouTube. He's going to use, if he can, Adam22 is no jumper. He's going to use academics. He's going to use YouTube to destroy as many crypts as he possibly can. When you heard him say, There are no pyrues or bloods on Big U's case in the witness list. They're all Crips. Yeah. He helped guide them towards that end. But who besides the loose cannon thing, which I agree, he kind of used loose cannon as a ventriloquist dummy to help get. His new dummy is Baby Shooter. That's his new dummy. That's his new Crip dummy with respect to the Crips. Okay. That's his next contestant. He's the next contestant on the Price is Right to do all the wax bidding.

45:44I feel like him and Wack had relatively limited interactions so far, right? Well, Wack know he's limited because he's stupid. He's almost as dumb as Loose Cannon. So Wack know he can only use him so much. And the cat is out the bag. We watch you break you down. We watch you line Loose Cannon up, right? Yeah. We watch the whole thing. When I saw them sitting right here, when I'm sitting right now, and they were talking about, what were they talking about right here? Oh, the Nipsey Hussle situation. Yeah, yeah. When WAC 100 sit right here and Luce Cannon sit right here, you remember what I'm talking about?

46:17And WAC's sitting there acting dumb as fuck. Yeah, he dumbed it down. Acting like he had no idea. Luce Cannon is talking about he knows that Big U called him and told him that Nipsey Hussle was dead an hour before he died. Right. He sat right here. No, nephew, tell him. Oh, yeah, yeah. So what happened? Oh, he called me and told me that somebody killed Nip. Really? Somebody killed Nip? He called Nip. Nip answered the phone. Oh, Nip ain't dead? A half hour later, an hour later, Nip dead. Yeah. He loose kind of said right here and told the story about a premeditated murder that hadn't happened yet.

47:03Yeah. And he was proud to say it. I still really haven't met almost anybody who gives any kind of credence to that story, though. I haven't met anybody who really buys it. It don't matter. The whole thing is public perception. You mentioned perception earlier. The perception, right? Once you turn Big U into a boogeyman, and then all manners of what— once you turn him into a boogeyman, and once you convince L.A. and convince the world of music and entertainment that he has to go, once you start to expose all his dirty dealings, right? Same thing happened with Shield Knight. Once people take aim at him and start exposing him and start exposing all the different things he did, it makes it easy for the public to dislike him.

47:44Once the public starts to dislike him, they want to move him off the chessboard. But to be fair, Big U was being investigated by the FBI way before Lewis Cannon ever came on No Jumper with Wack. Yeah, and Wack helped him. He aided and assisted in his downfall. Yeah. I respect that. if I really hate somebody I want the feds to come get them I ain't with all that gangster shit like oh free my enemies no imprison my enemies kill my enemies I'm not going to do it to them but I would be happy to sit back and watch somebody else do it listen so because you ain't from the streets so you ain't you need to raise your right hand and pledge allegiance to the streets and because you haven't done that people don't look at whatever you do is what you do you're not a part of the streets you're not a part of the street element so you can do whatever you want to do yeah and we can call it fair game it is what it is you may not like it but you're not a part of the whole street culture so you're not expected to stand on yeah let me ask you this what was the first thing that went viral that you said on more of like a detroit underground level or whatever when you're doing the podcast and stuff what was the the first time that you realized like oh the stuff i say on here can really make shit shake?

48:58When I started to criticize Detroit rappers, when I started to criticize their lack of real involvement in terms of pushing and moving the culture forward, the first thing I said was I criticized Eminem. When you criticize Eminem, it's like Detroit had a love-hate relationship with Eminem. They recognized that he's a great MC, but when it comes to what he has done for this generation of hip-hop artists, it's like less than zero. It's like minus 10. in terms of his influence on this generation. They recognize him, they respect him for being a great MC, but in terms of having his hand, trying to usher people to superstardom, there's nothing there about that.

49:36Yeah, that does stand out to me a lot too. That there's so many more cool, simple things that he could do to kind of put himself in that. Criticizing Eminem is always gonna be like a love-hate situation to see in Detroit. Yeah, Detroit rappers will always go viral for saying nobody listens to Eminem where I'm from. Which is so unbelievably obvious. there ain't nobody in the past 20 years in the hood been listening to no f***ing Eminem but they can still go viral every time they say it because the media he's such a big name that they just love to just take that it's like a rapper a young rapper will always say something about like Tupac or Biggie and go viral Yachty did it Lil Xan did it 03 Greedo did it it's like but it makes sense these n****s have been dead since you were a little kid and like of course like you're probably not gonna be feeling them the way that the prior generation felt him, but it just goes viral every time.

50:27Every time. Every time. I mean, the Eminem thing is kind of like dying down. Yeah, because it's been so long. Two or three generations passed his influence on the city of Detroit. And then there's a bunch of misconceptions. People talk about Eminem. They're not disrespecting him to say that he has no presence or he has no influence because he just doesn't. Most of the rappers now who you've interviewed, they recognize that he's a good lyricist, but the things that he talk about, the subject matter that he raps about, those things don't coincide with the way they grew up, the neighborhood, things they went through.

51:01Eminem's music is not the soundtrack for little black boys and girls who live on the east side of the west side of Detroit. Music has gone the total opposite direction, where if you want to look at what made Detroit pop off so crazy music-wise four or five years ago, it was basically just a bunch of dudes being willing to just be funny and have great observations and be witty and just be kind of silly on the mic in a way like you know like where they're gangster and shit you know i swear vezo but or a real the young og who's obviously a flint or whatever but like these dudes are all like they're not super lyrical but they're fun and they can make the street life appear to be like this really like you know they're inventive lyrically they make good songs but it's just that that's the direction hip-hop's gone and hip-hop's gone in the direction where somebody like playboy cardi is barely even a rapper in this new generation absolutely worships him.

51:50It's like an alternative artist now. But meanwhile, what is Eminem? He's just a pure rapper. He's a dude who sits around with his notebook putting complicated words together all day. That's like the least appetizing thing possible for the new rapper generation. Lyrically, he's a genius. But he doesn't speak to young black boys and girls who are from the urban environment. So therefore, because he doesn't speak to them, he doesn't have the... Lyrically, he doesn't speak to them. Yeah. Right? He doesn't have the influence over there or on them. It's as simple as that. He's like the best rapper who makes the worst music.

52:20Because nobody trying to hear that shit. Nobody trying to hear that shit. Listen, Detroit, this generation of hip-hop artists in the city of Detroit, in terms of going global, they owe all that to Tee Grizzly. Because first day out, and I don't know if people, see, Detroit is a hard city to be in. They don't ever want anybody to credit. But so the street element, the Iceberg Vezos, the Sound of Babies, the Babyface Rays, the Peasies, all of them, right? They were all local and regional stars. But Teague Risley's success, the success of First Day Out, he showed the labels that the genuine street sign from Detroit could be profitable.

53:06And so the success of First Day Out, it opened up the door for all the other street motherfuckers. It showed the guys. It showed the Leo Coens and the Kevin Lyles. Oh, this shit, the street shit, it ain't just about the backpack rap. It ain't just about the Big Shines, respectfully, and the Eminems. Oh, this shit has legs, and we can make money off of that. First day out opened up the door for the hood nigga, for the rank and file hood niggas. First day out made little black boys and girls who grow up in poverty believe in hip-hop again. Yeah. Because Eminem is so far removed from the streets, and the Big Shines is so far removed from the young black boys.

53:47The horrors of the street that they didn't really look at him and use him as a beacon as an example. Teague Risley come from the gutter. So that first day out, he is the person that showed the world that Detroit street sound could be profitable. And once he showed the executives that they could be profitable, everything will start to unfold and open up. That really was like the opening up of Detroit street music. Anybody say it ain't some **** live. I remember I had these young BMX dudes who were around me at that time because I was still running the BMX YouTube channel and everything like that.

54:21And they'd always be trying to put me on to Bang Gang and shit. And I was listening to it. Legendary. Yeah, no, now I have all this respect for it. But at that time, I was like, musically, we're listening to Gucci and Waka and Young Scooter and shit. I wasn't really trying to hear it. Bang Gang was Detroit's Gucci and Waka. But then First Day Out came out, and it kind of just like, all of a sudden, we got it. You get it now? It changed everything. He made the world get it. Right? Man Gang, legendary. A bunch of legendary MCs in the city of Detroit, right, who were local and regional legends. But Teague Risley made the whole world believe.

55:00He painted the picture so vivid that he explained the hood of Detroit to the whole world. Yeah, definitely. That changed everything. But so from your perspective, like by the time we get to like, you know, the era where Detroit rap is so popping that like Lil Yachty's coming out and doing a whole mixtape with the whole city or whatever, that's probably like 2019, 2020 by the time that starts happening. Is that still extending from the Tee Grizzly moment? Because I feel like that moment doesn't happen unless you have Tee Grizzly kind of like making like, I feel like they had kind of found their own sound and shit and the, and things had just changed a lot by 2020 or whatever where all of a sudden shit is more humorous.

55:44It's like kind of fun. That's the impact of Yachty. That's the impact of Yachty. Lil Yachty, don't think about Lil Yachty now. When Yachty was coming to Detroit and was f***ing with all them rappers, bro, he was a f***ing superstar. He came and he gave of himself to Detroit artists. In many cases he didn't charge them anything. He just came to f*** around because he saw it, he understood the potential and he wanted to help push it forward. Lil Yachty has been more influential on this generation of hip-hop stars than Eminem has. True, for sure, yeah. In Detroit. Yeah. In Detroit, because Yachty came, he showed major love.

56:28Yeah, and all those dudes just fully embraced him and really like, there was like clips of dudes talking about how Yachty, when he was coming out there. He left his security alone and was just rolling around in the trenches and shit. Young Jeezy is more popular in Detroit than Gucci Mane. It always happened. Interesting. Detroit is a Jeezy town. Why do you think that is? The hustle spirit. Young Jeezy is talking about all this shit that if you want to grow up to be a drug dealer, Jeezy is a drug dealer soundtrack. Yeah. Simple as that. A lot of people in Detroit, they grew up idolizing the Big Meeches and the Scarfaces and all the drug culture.

57:08Jeezy's music exemplified the hustling spirit. And so Jeezy's been coming to Detroit his entire career, getting major love, right, for over 20 years. Yadier has done more for the rank-and-file MC in 10 years than Jeezy did over 20-plus years coming to Detroit. He's shown more love to Detroit artists than Jeezy ever did. Do you feel like the Detroit rap scene has fallen off a little bit since that sort of like COVID era that we're talking about? A little bit. Or do you feel like it's a transitionary phase right now? You don't have to add anything else to it. Hip-hop has kind of fallen off in general.

57:48Hip-hop is changing. Hip-hop is changing. Hip-hop is a fluid situation. It always has been. What's hot today might be hot tomorrow. Blueface was on fire four or five years ago. I thought that Blueface's trajectory was just like through the roof. It was what it was. And then now we have what we have right now. Right. I mean, I think like all things considered, Blueface's career is still in a pretty strong situation. Like he could still make like records that go pretty crazy in the club. He threw. You think he's through? He threw. Musically? He threw. I mean, see, because hip hop ain't just about music.

58:25Hip hop is about the image. Yeah. It's about the character. Yeah. So his character now versus what it was when he first came out, right? He came down big crippling. Now it's nothing about, now he's a clown. Well, he got to the point where a big part of his fan base is like women who are fascinated by him and want to watch him on some love and hip hop shit. He's a reality TV star now. He turned himself into that. He turned himself into that. You hear me? And now he drew. He drew. He had never been able to do that Tatiana shit again. You know what I'm saying? That shit never happened again. I feel like that.

58:58I'm going to get you running from the shih tzu. Bro, that shit goes crazy. That's like a big f***ing song. I felt good singing it too right there. Didn't you? Didn't you? I was just in the club with him seeing girls lose their f***ing minds. And as long as you have a strong contingency of women who support you, you can always make some out of that. You hear me? Yeah, yeah. But in terms of him having the dominance that he had six, seven years ago, never happened again. I would like to hear him make more street music, which it feels like he just doesn't really have a lot of interest in that at this point.

59:30That never happened again. He's true. He's been out for like six months, and he hasn't really put out anything besides like a few videos here and there. You stick a fork in him. You hate Wack so much that you're anti-Blueface? I don't hate Wack, bro. You know? Right. Listen, so people would think that because of some of the battles that we've had on Clubhouse and whatever, right? I don't give a fuck about Wack 100, bro. Okay. At all, period, right? When I've been critical of Wack, it's been because Wack do whole shit. It's as simple as that. I call it like I see it. I call it spade to spade. It ain't about me.

59:59I don't wake up thinking about no m****y, Wack 100, bro. I don't give a f*** about it. But Wack is a prominent figure in the YouTube streets. True. Right? And he basically had all of California in terms of YouTube in the palm of his hands up until the whole T. Grizzly thing backfired on him. When that backfired on him, that destroyed... I mean, nobody ever really took him serious, right? the people who I know never took me serious. I don't take him serious. But he had control. He had influence. He can come and talk to you whenever he wants to. He can push a narrative on your platform whenever he wants to.

1:00:38And then Vlad's platform and then academics platform. Yeah, so it's not just you. He can go to Vlad. He can make a phone phone. I want to talk about X, Y, Z. He starts his campaign on Clubhouse. It goes from Clubhouse to Instagram. It goes from Instagram to his Exposer podcast. And from there, he starts to disseminate whatever he wants to disseminate to the public. So he knows all the top YouTubers and podcasters. So he sends the information to everybody and whoever bites, whoever bites. So how do you think that that whole situation f***ed up his reputation? Because I don't really, I haven't noticed that.

1:01:12The paperwork is fake. It is. Has that ever been like put out there? Yeah. Really? Yeah. But listen, but he can tell people like you, don't talk about it. He can tell people like academic, don't talk about it. I just didn't even know that. Yeah, the paperwork, it was always fake. So the paperwork that claimed that T. Grizzly talked to the cops about baby shooter robbing his crib. It was always fake. That was fake. It was always fake. I did all the deep dive research into this shit because I'm a legal beagle. But I was in prison acting a fool stabbing. I was also going to the library. I had no fake paperwork when I saw it.

1:01:41When you look at the Officer Hamilton, the badge number, there's no Officer Hamilton on the LAPD with a seven-digit badge number. It doesn't exist. One, the report, the structural integrity of the report, That is not how L.A. police reports look. It's not how investigation reports look. It's not how witness statements look. None of that is true. And then to this very day, we still don't have it. Where is it? And then he gave academics a California Second Division Court of Appeal document supposedly proving what he said about T was true. Baby Shooter, how in the f*** are you in the Supreme Court of Appeals when he's never been arrested, charged, tried, convicted.

1:02:26You can only get into the court of appeals when there's been a conviction of some sort. So how the fuck are you giving academics a California court of appeal motion of relief when he's not been found guilty of anything? All that shit was fake. Oh, wow. Why put that play together for Birdman and for NBA Youngboy? Wait, what? Yeah. Why would Birdman and Youngboy give a fuck about T. Grizzly being painted as a snitch? because the NBA young boy know what it is ask him without me getting the details ask NBA young boy what his experience with T is or was because there was the shooting in Miami I ain't saying that yeah but that's probably what you're referring to the whole situation surrounding that I ain't seen about no mother f***ing Miami I said ask him and whack as a flunky and a dude boy for Birdman and Birdman is the one who gave him the money to do Cash Money West which is how Blueface got into the game.

1:03:23So whatever Birdman tells him to do he's going to do it. And Birdman has negotiated every deal. He has his hand in all things NBA. From my perspective that was just Shooter deciding that he wanted to put this narrative on Tee Grizzly probably because he actually believed it right? Can we have a real conversation now? Can I take the windows off now? Okay watch this. Who the f*** is Baby Shooter except the person that was put on platforms by WAC 100. Who the f*** was Loose Cannon except a person who was put on major platforms like this by WAC 100? To be fair, Baby Shooter was on this podcast before WAC and A involved with him because G-Face basically put him on here.

1:04:02Who weaponized him though? Yeah, yeah. He weaponized him. Yeah. Who weaponized Loose Cannon? Who the f*** was Loose Cannon to be? How could Loose Cannon have made it to Adam 22's no jumper if it were not for the influence and through the recommendation of WAC 100. Tell the truth, Al. That's true, yeah. Yeah. How the f*** do you think a loose cannon is not the sharpest tool in the shed? At all. How the f*** do you think there's a long list of f***s who could have made it to no jumper, no jumper, Academics and Vlad TV and Sean Cotton and the rest of this shit. Long list of motherfuckers who are more qualified than this stupid ass motherfucker who really has no story to tell.

1:04:45Long list of motherfuckers. How did he get up here? I mean, short story is that Wack probably just wanted to weaponize him to take shots at Big U. Do you believe that? That he wanted to weaponize him? My honest question to you is, do you believe that he weaponized your platform and other platforms such as yours to tell a story and to spin a narrative about the people who he doesn't like. Yeah, yeah, sure. Okay, let's shake on that. I use my platform to do that to people all the time. How can we not do that? Yeah, so you're admitting that you have allowed this son of a bitch to come up here and weaponize your platform to run game.

1:05:23I'm allowing you to weaponize my platform to run game on such as WAC right now. Yeah, if you do an interview and you don't weaponize it to take shots at people that you don't get along with. You have missed your opportunity. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, unless you're trying to just stall them out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it is what it is, man. It is what it is. So I think Wacker is an evil genius. Okay. I think that he knows how to use words. I think he knows how to spot a damn fool. He's a damn fool spotter. And he uses those damn fools to do whatever you want to do. Spend whatever you want to spend.

1:05:59And that is the art of war. Exemplify. That is 48 laws of power exemplified. That's what he does. So in that way, he has befriended all of the necessary people. And I don't criticize him for that because if you have an enemy and if I can weaponize a dumbass to fight my enemy for me, I'm supposed to do that. So I don't see anything wrong with that. Yeah. I didn't know that that's what Wack was doing in the moment when he brought loose cannon on. Who told you? Who brought that to your attention? Who kind of made you see, but damn, this guy is using my platform and academics platform. and Vlad's platform to kind of like spin narratives and kind of like.

1:06:36I mean, it was just pretty clear, you know. When did you realize it, though? How long did it take you to realize? Wait a minute. I mean, probably not that long. I mean, I probably like. Because you're pretty sharp. But I know Wack and I know what he's doing. And I know that when he doesn't like somebody, he's, you know, he's happy to yell at him on Clubhouse or like make a little video about them or whatever. But for sure, yeah, he's capable of using the platform to trash people, too. You know, I've done it a million times myself. if it's just part of the game. It's part of the game. Yeah. You're right.

1:07:04And that's why I'm not mad at you because you admit what's going on. You ain't trying to have it. Yeah, yeah. Like, yeah, it's my platform. I'll do what the fuck I want to do with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What would you do if you had one? I mean, I do feel like when you trash people in a dishonest manner, it hurts your credibility. And when people see you being, like, extremely ideologically inconsistent, your fans will just stop kind of taking you serious. and that's like the main thing to consider. But if you have somebody that you don't get along with and you bring negative accusations to the table, why not?

1:07:37Watch this. WAC 100 know QCP is a stomp-down, diabolical rat. But he would never say it. He's gonna always do everything he possibly can to justify it. QCP has done worse than people WAC has condemned and did everything in his power to make the whole world feel like or view them as a false. Snitch. QCP is a dollar buy. Not only did he tell him motherfucker, but he called the police for follow up to make sure a motherfucker got prosecuted. He knows that, but he had never admitted because he's... The fact that P was able to kind of skate on that and didn't really get the full condemnation of hip hop was pretty amazing.

1:08:19That's why Gucci Man did what he did. Because if QCP and Gucci are a world like this, so QCP one of the only like peers of Gucci you've really seen Gucci around in the last five years so who do you think called him and told him snitch on Pusheisty but to be fair Gucci probably snitched on Pusheisty like 10 minutes after Pusheisty robbed him you know but he probably didn't have a lot of time to think about it yeah but who do you think has been in his ear to make him feel comfortable with what he did to convince him that what you're doing and what you have done nothing wrong with it You're a businessman now.

1:08:58That's the same thing that QCP did to justify him telling no stunner like that. Same thing. He snatched a page out of his playbook. Same thing. Yeah. That's hard to deny. Those two things are more similar than anything else. Yeah. Same thing. Yeah. That is wild. What about just Atlanta in general? It feels like it's got such a crazy reputation for fostering all of the rats currently. So listen, what Atlanta is getting right now, Atlanta deserves what they're getting. They're getting spanked all across the globe. They deserve it because there's no city that kind of like pushed the anti-rat narrative more than them.

1:09:38And they had control of hip hop. Right? So they had control of hip hop. Atlanta was, and it still is the seat of hip hop. It still is ground zero for all things hip hop. Atlanta still has control. New York doesn't have it. Atlanta doesn't have it. I mean, excuse me, Miami doesn't have it. Houston doesn't have it. LA doesn't have it. You still have to see Atlanta when it comes to power in the world of hip hop. Right? You still have some of the biggest rappers in the game right now, from the 21 Savages to the Gunners to the Young Thugs, the YFN Lucchies, they're all from Atlanta. You still have a lot of influence.

1:10:15Atlanta deserves the ass whooping they're getting right now. And we know that because we knew that they knew a lot of the bullshit going on. When 21 Savage sent that tweet out, he admitted that they knew that QCP was a rat and they believed that Gunnar was a rat. I personally don't believe that Gunnar was a rat, right? But what 21 Savage said when he said, hey, we've been new. Well, it wasn't a tweet. It was the phone call, right? Well, so listen, the leaked jail phone call, that was critical because it showed QCP that The people that he thought were friends with him, including little baby. Were friends with him despite what they really thought about him.

1:10:59Right. And they were talking behind his back. Yeah. And that's why he responded like he responded. When those jail phone calls got leaked, he responded. Yeah. He was angry. He was angry about that shit. Because the people that he thought, right, that he was cool with, at least on the surface, they were talking about him the whole time. And so those jail phone calls started a domino effect of exposing all things Atlanta. Okay, let's say you got exposed as a rat. Would you prefer that somebody like me, that, you know, we're cool, we got a relationship now, whatever. Maybe we're probably going to stay in communication.

1:11:31But would you prefer that I speak candidly to my friends and say, man, that dude dogface, he be ratting, bro. That shit crazy. He told. But then get on the podcast and say, hey, I'm not the one who's going to judge, you know, just do all this semantic games or whatever. I'm not the one who's going to judge dogface. I don't know what happened in that situation. I'm not going to speak on it. That's my mans, et cetera. I feel like doing that is not actually hypocritical. That's actually the coolest shit that I could do as a homie is to show, to say one thing publicly and then keep it real behind the scenes.

1:12:01That's not, that's not hypocritical within and of itself. Yeah. Right. It is what it is. It's politics, right? What is hypocritical is you condemning somebody else for doing the same thing that you are trying to run a public relation campaign for to make it look like that's not what that is with somebody else. that's where the hypocrisy comes in at the hypocrisy is when Wack 100 can say that's a rat that's a rat that's a rat that's a rat they did X Y Z but then the people who he liked don't forget when Young Thug first when the interrogation videos came out Wack was trying to explain it away because he still had some type of relationship but as soon as Pee Wee Roscoe rolls up on him and as soon as Thug then rolls up Wack changed his course and went to trying to assassinate thugs character it's as simple as that yeah i mean in order to speak honestly about atlanta's hip-hop scene you kind of have to be willing to acknowledge that a lot of these dudes have been caught up on some scission shit you know especially after the gucci thing i know you're from alabama but it's the same shit gucci man from alana bro don't start the alabama shit well he grew up in alabama right gucci man was born and i think raised in his earlier years and he moved to Atlanta.

1:13:18Gucci man is an Atlanta artist. Nobody talks about Alabama. But nobody talks about Alabama in general. Right. Yeah, but I'm just saying. It's easier for us to like round up. Don't diss Alabama. No, I love Alabama. Right, right. Shout out to Alabama, but like there's a reason why it's easier to think of Gucci as an Atlanta artist. When Gucci was at his height, they weren't talking that Alabama shit. No, yeah, yeah. Now it's convenient. Right. Jeezy, they say, oh, Jeezy ain't from Atlanta. But when Jeezy was winning and he was at the top of the top of the top, he wasn't saying that shit. real. No, that's real.

1:13:47People do that. They use it as a weapon. Yeah. Definitely. Do you think Gucci's career is over as far as, I mean, going forward, like, we saw him this weekend go to this big football game, get love from a bunch of normies and white people and shit like that, you know. Even in that environment, he had people calling him a rat when they got the opportunity to. We saw he did a little meet and greet with this woman that apparently saved him from drowning at some point when he was a kid. Yeah. I personally feel like when I see this, this is he hired a crisis PR management company. I don't think he had them when he did the song.

1:14:22I think the song was such a bad idea that he just did that. Yeah, out of emotion, out of frustration, out of anger, out of confusion. And then I think now he's probably got some assistance because that's probably what I would have told him to do. We need to insert you into situations in which you're going to be loved and which people are going to show you respect and whatnot. This football game makes sense. Humanizing you by talking to this woman who saved your life it forces a non-hostile crowd forces people to think oh what if he what if he was dead right what if he never put out all this music wouldn't have life have been so bad and not you know at least forces people to maybe humanize them a little bit but i mean as far as like rappers working with him it seems like it's it's dark for him it's gonna be cold before this happened nobody screaming yelling for no gucci man verse his career was already on the on the south side of things but it wasn't like a public conversation in hip-hop because his contribution was so significant for so long that people didn't want to say bad shit about him so they were just letting him rock even like Young Thug before he got locked up his music career was really kind of on a decline but nobody was really acknowledging it publicly because he's such a legend now with Gucci it feels like oh the gloves are off from the community as a whole and they're all just gonna shit on you now yeah but I'm gonna tell you something man he don't give a fuck about what the community thinks who gives a fuck about what some niggas think he a millionaire who gives a fuck privately I believe that that is what he's saying yeah yeah yeah who gives a fuck?

1:15:43Who gives a fuck I'm a millionaire who gives a fuck what y 'all saying? Most of y 'all are broke I call them poor broke ass bitches who gives a fuck? But Gucci cares about his respect because his respect also helps determine how much money he's going to make for the rest of his life. Listen, here's what happened. A combination of the psychotropic medication and the voodoo pussy. Do you think she got that? She got voodoo pussy. Yes, she has voodoo pussy. What, has she just got powers? Yes, pussy has powers especially that voodoo pussy she's from the islands. The psychotropic medication the Syroquil the Thorazine yeah yeah right the rest of that shit mixed with pussy psychotropic medication mixed with pussy from the islands who knew pussy yeah he don't give a yeah he don't give a cause I'm like the biggest Gucci fan you could ever imagine like throughout my whole life that's kind of been like since I first found Adam him he's kind of my favorite rapper let me tell you a secret Adam yeah I'm sorry for cutting you off sure sure wanna hear a secret yeah about the black community yeah The black community don't give a f*** about people being rats.

1:16:44Yeah. They only say that because that's what people expect them to say. And every community, in every major in New York, in Philadelphia, in Baltimore, in D.C., in Atlanta, in L.A., in Inglewood, in Compton, in Minnesota, in Chicago. I go, everybody knows somebody who's a rat. Everybody. Right. What determines how people talk about you and how they treat you is how much money you have. If you have money, you're automatically going to have power because money, it influences how much power you have. The biggest drug, listen, the biggest drug dealers in California are federal informants. The biggest drug dealers in Houston and Detroit, they all have working relationships unbeknownst to the general public with law enforcement.

1:17:44You can't sell drugs 10 years and not be on the feds' radar. The feds know everything. Local, state, and federal law enforcement know everything about the drug trade. You think you selling dope and they don't know about it? No. Niggas don't give a fuck about ratting. They use ratting as a weapon to criticize people they don't like. Right. Simple as that. Yeah, but they do that with all kinds of stuff. They'll call you a pedophile, they'll call you a rapist, they're gonna call you whatever. No, no, that's different. Right, but I mean like people weaponize that shit and say it in situations where the truth is dubious.

1:18:22Yeah. And they'll just use it in general. Like if one girl ever calls you a rapist then people are gonna use that to discredit you for the rest of your life. Hey, watch this. So Detroit is watching this right now. The whole world is watching this right now. True. I'm a no jumper, dude. I'm a no jumper. no jumper baby and I'm interviewing dog fans listen in every major urban environment across the country seriously serious conversation we all know somebody who we know or we believe for absolute fact is working with law enforcement ratting to stay free right you ain't gonna with them because they got too much money power and respect and will work for a rat if it's beneficial for them everybody knows QCP is a rat they don't give a f*** the rapper community as a whole just knew they didn't necessarily have the juice to take him out the paint he was still gonna have power even if they all went in on him because 21 Savage said we been knew P was a rat we stepping under the rug because of what because the money power he was putting all the young guys on he said we been knew Gunna was a rat you know I don't believe Gunna was a rat but he said in tweets right we sweep it under the rug to save face for Lana right but these are the same rappers who making songs about rats these are the same people who criticize Kodak Black for doing the song with 6ix9ine the whole time y 'all was trying to throw under the bus and ridicule and trying to destroy character the whole time you bitch was doing the same thing the whole time.

1:20:05Right. But, okay, for the record, snitch as an allegation holds an additional level of weight because if we're involved in criminality, having a snitch around us literally, like, negates everything that we're trying to do. Says who? Because we're going to go to jail if this man's around and telling on us. Right, listen, in every drug organization in this country, there's snitches. Yeah. The cartel, look at how the cartel looks at snitching. They have an entirely different Viewpoint of snitching Like black people we have the most critical The most stringent snitch Policies out of any culture right The cartels if they get caught up They'll give you up and me up because we're not a part Of their They'll swap us out fast as fuck As long as they don't tell each other They don't consider that shit snitching Simple as that Which is kind of crazy Tell me I'm lying I've heard about the cartels and everything but just in general it's like if me and you were planning on doing some drug dealing together and then you found out that I was talking to the cops that I was handing over information about people you would be very wise to not do business with me so the anti-snitching thing is just a self-sustained let me tell you something, listen, in every drug crew in every drug crew in this country there's some snitches in there and we don't know or believe that they are snitches that's how they survive and every major drug crew in this country, there are people who are cooperating with law enforcement to take out the opposition, just like the mafia did.

1:21:38Think about what the mafia did back in the 30s, 40s, and 50s. What did they do? When the five families went to war against Bumby Johnson and Madam Sinclair, when they couldn't outgun them, when they couldn't come and haul them and kill them all, what did they do? They put the police on them. They put the prosecutors on them. They put the judges on them. So all the niggas are doing are really just copycatting off what the Italian five families did. They've been working with the police. You can't have a successful drug organization right now in this country where you're making millions of dollars.

1:22:10You can't have a successful drug organization without having police in your mix somehow, some way. It's not going to happen. They know too much about what's going on. Yeah. Nah, yeah, it's crazy. I mean, the internet is just a different thing. on the internet everybody will be judged by the harshest possible standards so that people can make content about it yes the criminals on the other hand they don't have to speak publicly but they are able to know about a certain amount of snitching and just for self-preservation reasons keep it to themselves listen the biggest gangsters in the urban environment right now are the snitches snitches don't give a right snitches don't give a about what you say about them would you do none of that kind of shit right the snitches are the most dangerous out of all criminals the whole criminal element the gangster snitch the gangster snitch is the most dangerous because think about it the gangster snitches ain't on a day no they ain't going to the witness protection program all these listen everybody in the ysl case all the snitches that came out with that which one of them went to the witness protection program yeah i don't think any of The snitches on the YSL case are in Atlanta hosting parties right now.

1:23:23Doing 20 versus 1s. Dropping, doing balloon pops. Yeah, yeah. They ain't on the run. Remember when we thought 6ix9ine was crazy for not going in the witness protection program? We did. Everybody was like, oh, he's a lunatic. He's going to be dead in two weeks. We did. We really found out a lot about ourselves in that moment. Not one of the people who was identified as a snitch in the YSL case, not one of them, is in the witness protection program. Yeah. All the ones who are free, and most of them are free, they're running around Atlanta doing what they want to do having their way. They're hosting parties bad bitches going to the malls and eating ice cream.

1:23:56Nobody's touched them. That tells all the future snitches who's thinking about possibly snitching oh you too can have a life after snitching. It is what it is. But do you really think that we're entering a world in which people won't be judged harshly for the snitching thing? because I feel like they will be. It's just, it's graded differently depending on how popular or successful you are. Hey, listen, Adam. When you hear about snitch this, snitch that, you don't hear about that in the white community. You don't hear that in the white community. You hear black people condemning other black people and other people, other racial ethnicities about being a snitch.

1:24:40That's what you hear about it, bro. They don't give a, white people don't give a. this world's not ran by niggas this world, the world that we live in now they don't give a f*** about what a bunch of niggas is saying, they don't give a f*** about that shit, the world is, the point to your point is, the world already has turned the page on that shit, man, the world what you, what I think about you, does not govern what you're able to do, and what you're able to accomplish, what the world thinks about Gucci man, it does not determine how much money he can get and what he can do people will still sign to him, you know why?

1:25:14Roc Nation is ran by Desiree Perez. She is a federal informant who snitched on the cartel. But don't you think it would be different if Jay-Z was a documented snitch? No. I don't think, I'll bet money that Gucci Mane will never have a successful artist signing again. Why not? Because I don't think any of these street artists who are the only type of artists that he's ever had any kind of success signing will ever look at. I think even before this, he was not looking like an appetizing artist assigned to because as much as he's had a few successful moments in recent years, he's just had so many L's over the years.

1:25:50And as kind of just a horrible executive, he just revealed himself to be kind of a dick. Yeah, he is a dick. He's a dick, for lack of a better expression. And I'm fine with that. I was my favorite rapper for most of my life. But I had a meeting one time with a dude who did a ton of business with him. he's a jewish guy in the music industry or whatever and i was telling him i'm like bro you gotta you gotta get me with gucci i want to spend a week straight with gucci i want to make this little documentary type thing etc and he just said adam i'm gonna be real with you gucci main is the biggest asshole you've ever met in your entire life that is true he's just like straight up like you have never spent time with anyone who is the kind of asshole that he is and definitely everybody says they've been saying you know i took i took that at face value and i've kind of never heard anything else besides that over the years yeah hey so to answer your question the world doesn't give a the world we ain't talking about what a bunch of niggas is talking about the world is beyond nigga shit do you think in iran right now give a about where the gucci man is a rat some tiny pocket of them perhaps listen and that would show that would showcase how stupid they are yeah because they drop a missiles on y 'all and bombs on y 'all saying blow y 'all ass to smithereens and you give a fuck about what some nondescript who has no impact who probably can't spell iran they got bigger shit to worry about right now but just in general if i'm the hot street rapper of the month from atlanta and gucci man wants to sign me i mean you're just gonna look at the pooh shiesty thing and be like damn i can't with him he'll rap like you know that's because as a people we judge ourselves more harshly than anybody else we're our own biggest critics.

1:27:33We're our own black people are, we are our own biggest critics and we are our own biggest enemies right now. We don't need anybody else from outside the black community to aid and assist us in our own destruction, our own demise. We are our own biggest oppositions. We're our own biggest ops. Simple as that. So, said rapper from Minnesota wouldn't sign to Roc Nation because Desiree Perez has been exposed as a DEA operative? Yeah. They're going to sign. Money is the motive. If Gucci Man comes with a million dollars, right, they're going to say, hey, that's not me, that's him. If they say anything about it at all, that money is the motive.

1:28:19A rapper will sign to Gucci Man right now. You find somebody who's from. I would like to meet him. Bro, listen. Like a hot street rapper. right now while he's experiencing the worst PR of his life. Now listen, maybe in a year shit kind of cools down a little bit. Maybe. But it's already hard enough to sign a street rapper and I'm just saying like his image as a CEO is just so bad. Even outside the snitching shit. Would you sign a rapper a lot? Would I? A mob ties right now? Would you sign a mob ties if you were a rapper? I think if I was a rapper, yeah. If you think about it, before Gucci bro.

1:28:52Mob ties reputation when it comes to artists is just as bad, if not worse, than Gucci Man. They've had some issues. Issues is an understatement. Issues is an understatement. Mob ties and Gucci Man, in terms of how they cultivate and how they deal with and how they groom and grow, artists, it's just as bad as 1017. Yeah, it's not great right now. When has it ever been great? whenever they ever had a fruitful relationship since Rapalot switched over to Mob Ties. Name one artist. Post Drake? I don't know. Do we call Drake Mob Ties, bro? We understand that Jazz found him, but Drake is his own entity.

1:29:39Always have been. He's always been Aubrey. You still gotta count it as a W just because it's the biggest W of all time doesn't change the fact that it was a W. But he's not really it's not really a representation of anything mob ties Drake is he's his own thing yeah I feel you but I mean I'm saying they did at a certain point he was signed on then we have Honeycomb Brazy then we have one guy then we have Finesse two times same shit same thing going on in both camps so Jay Prince Jr. is a horrible executive he's a coward you hate this so bad I was at a cool relationship with him I think I did his first ever interview how was that was it boring I recall it being cool it was the longest time ago tell the truth Adam you want me to tell you how long it was was it boring I don't recall it being boring Jay Prince Jr.

1:30:42Yes, you do. You recall that shit being the worst possible slow-talking, semi-retarded, LDA shit in the world. I recall being very honored that he did his first interview with me. Because of him or because of his father? Six years ago, 46 minutes. Yeah, that's not a long time. It couldn't be no more than 46 minutes. Well, you think he's that much of a boring guy? Listen, you were honored to interview him, not because of him, not because of his personal accomplishments. You were honored to interview him because of his pedigree, his father. Okay, sure, that's a big part of it. Who would you have preferred to interview, senior or junior, if you had the opportunity?

1:31:18Well, I would rather do the first interview with junior than like the 18th interview with senior, but obviously his dad's accomplishments are, you know, it's always going to be difficult to grow up under the specter of your dad being immensely successful. But where is Jay Prince in all this? You think he's just checked out? No, he ain't checked out. He behind the scenes like a puppet master. Okay. right there, that mother is something to behold. Yeah, okay, so you have a ton of respect for him, but not his son. His son, respect is earned, it's not just given, it's not just capitulated just because you are born in the lineage of somebody who's supposed to be.

1:31:56What have you done? In the black community, we be notorious for that. The black community don't give a fuck about what, like Big Meech and Little Meech. Yeah. The world doesn't give a fuck about your father being a legendary drug dealer. You yourself have not qualified yourself to be viewed like that or to be thought of like that. Same thing. Big Meech, little Meech, senior, junior. Same shit. Nothing different. Yeah. That's tough. Imagine how hard it must be growing up with your dad being in this position. There's just almost nothing that you could do that is going to be enough to dig you out of the hole of being considered a Nepo baby.

1:32:39It's its own specific challenge. obviously it's harder to just make it out of nothing but even if you make something out of yourself it's just like a lot of the world particularly in hip hop is going to look at you as somebody who wow he's just a rich kid it happens so I don't think so that's another thing the world black people we're judging each other that way yes this is a black person thing for sure yeah do you think in the real world your dad was successful he was a fuck that's amazing that's incredible my children are doing a lot better than I was doing at their age and that's the way I wanted it to be.

1:33:15I don't want my kids my sons and my daughters to be robbers or in the streets. I worked hard to make sure that that doesn't happen. I try to give them as many opportunities as they can so they don't have to do that. Let's say like one of your kids becomes like a pretty prominent executive at a record label or whatever. People don't give them that credit because they're going to be like damn his dad like as much as you've accomplished now they're going to be like his dad was in prison but then meanwhile if you're like Diddy's son like you know and you have a job at a label nobody's ever gonna give you credit for that you're gonna have to sign a lot of huge artists before the narrative starts to change into oh he's a very talented executive true you know because you have to work as well yeah yeah true yeah but i mean also in the white world of like your dad being like super successful oh you know i noticed with girls this doesn't really matter if you're an attractive woman your dad's famous because that's that's awesome that's like recognizable last name we're super obsessed with you absolutely So black people, we judge each other harshly.

1:34:09We are super critical of each other. And it's just what we do. It is what it is. You can't move away from that. It is what it is. But above and beyond, I think, so Jay Prince Jr. had a chance. He had a chance to become a wonderful executive. He had a chance to do whatever he wanted to do in his life. He chose to try to be like his father, but he doesn't have the experience. His father was cut that way. He was groomed that way. He was conditioned that way. He had a different experience. He could never be like his father. Although he's trying to emulate all things his father, he's failing miserably at that shit.

1:34:41But like, even him doing some shit, like I've seen you kind of like using this against him of saying like, oh, he's running around doing gangster shit. He's rolling around with NBA. He ain't doing nothing gangster. Right, but he's hanging out with gangsters while they're doing gangster shit. He's hanging with gangsters. Okay. It's like a bitch hanging with a motherfucker who got some money. But that's what we're supposed to do, right? I'm supposed to have gangsters with me who are going to do gangster shit. I'm not supposed to do it myself. But he's denying doing any gangster shit. He's using people to do his bidding.

1:35:07All-Star JR didn't have a problem. Let's talk about that for a second. Sure, yeah. All-Star JR didn't have a problem with Junior. Yeah. So people are trying to make it seem like or make it appear as if that All-Star JR had an issue with Junior because Junior was dating his or is dating his baby mama. Well, there was like videos of them basically taking shots at each other or at least Jay Prince Jr. taking shots at All-Star, right? There were videos of Jay Prince Jr. using this young woman. Yeah. putting her in a position so that he can troll her, troll J.R. based off what she was doing. Right.

1:35:41There are no videos. There's nothing. There's no recordings. There's no nothing that shows All-Star J.R. giving the f*** about outside of their child, him dating his baby mama. Right. All-Star J.R. and his baby mama broke up in 2021. from 2021 so people trying to make it seem like they just broke up and it's fresh, he's upset and he's mad, no he broke up in 2021 between J.R. and Junior, there are four or five other guys that she dated between and he never had the issue with any other guys that she dated prior to Junior not one, not one issue Junior is a narcissist and he's a 100 % bitch ass nigga, you ask anybody from Houston.

1:36:30You ask anybody from Houston about his reputation, it's the reputation of a coward who uses and he hides behind everybody. He's not a gangster. Let me tell you why. Well, he's done all kind of gangster shit. To who? He hasn't done no gangster shit to a gangster. Excuse me. He ain't did no gangster shit to no gangster? Everybody that has fallen up under them have been somebody who they considered friends. Think about it. Quavo, Duke the Jeweler, right? They all thought they were friends. They all thought they were in good company. They all thought they were safe. And there are other issues that have taken place that haven't been newsworthy.

1:37:11There are other situations of people who have fallen in close proximity to them. Maybe I'm naive, but why does the blame get placed directly on Jay Prince Jr. for takeoff's death? The whole checking thing. Right. Right. But then why is Jay Burns Jr. held responsible for what one guy from his crew ends up doing in a situation where I'm sure he didn't want that to happen? Because you're responsible. Because you're responsible. As the leader, heavy as the f***ing crown. Right. You're responsible. If you're putting yourself out there and you're projecting yourself, right, and you're positioning yourself as a mob figure, as a person of reckoning, if your father is endorsing every play that you do and you're saying to check in, Junior is a qualified person to check in with you're responsible for what happens to the people who have checked in with you shit can't just happen and you just back off and say my bad no that's not how check in works if you check in with me, this check in is some gangsta shit check in don't have nothing to do with no motherfucking music the whole check in shit came from the mafia when the five family members left New York they went to Philly they checked in with the Philly mob boss not because they had to not because anybody would do anything to them but because when you're in my town when you're in my city you're in my territory I'm responsible for you if anything happens to you then the five families are going to come down on my head and crush me J Prince Jr.

1:38:40as an executive as a check-in as a mob figure his track record is he's zero in

1:38:50he's zero in what? If you invite me to an event in Detroit and somebody ends up shooting me in the head. But if it happens if a weird situation takes place does this deserve to be attached to your name forever that you were the one guy who got me shot up by your own negligence? I mean like I get how it is going to happen that way for sure at least for a while. The check-in is a street thing Adam. The check-in is not a corporate boardroom backdoor deal. The check-in thing is a street element. It's a street consequence. If I come to your city and you're purporting, you're positioning yourself as the person, as a street figure, when Bill Gates goes from wherever he's at to wherever he's going, he's not checking in with anybody.

1:39:39No, he got regular security. Probably the most elite security imaginable. The whole check-in thing came from the mob. That's where it came from. Right? When Trick Trick had his hand on Detroit, if you came to Detroit and you were friends with Trick Trick, a man had better not breathe on you wrong. Because if you did, you were going to suffer an egregious consequence for that action. You're saying this in like past tense? Trick Trick doesn't have the relationship with Detroit anymore? No, I'm not saying in the past tense. I'm saying when he was really pushing that whole goon squad, no fly zone shit.

1:40:11If you came to Detroit and you had a problem with Trick Trick, it was going to be an issue. If you touch somebody who was affiliated with them from coast to coast, it was going to be a problem. It's as simple as that. If you come to Detroit and he put his arms around you, you were untouchable. And if you did, somebody did do something to you, there was going to be a consequence to suffer for it. Right. What is Trick Trick's relationship with Detroit now? And what's your relationship with Trick Trick? Oh, shit. We was in prison together. Oh, really? Long before the whole Goon Squad shit came together.

1:40:42But Trick, I know he cares about this shit that he sees going on right now, but they turned against him so heavy. Really? Yeah, when the whole Rick Ross thing happened, when Rick Ross came to Detroit. That was bad for him. That was bad for him because the regular rank-and-file citizens and the rappers turned against him, right? They turned against him for that whole situation. So it just was what it was. So I think Trick Trick narrowly avoided being indicted for that situation. Yeah, because the city was mad at him. People wanted to see Rick Ross. The rappers even turned against him. Was that the last time that Eminem did a song with someone who was a pure Detroit street artist?

1:41:26No, their relationship doesn't have anything to do with music. The relationship that Trick got with Eminem has nothing to do with music. They do a song every now and again with each other. that relationship that comes from 30 years of just knowing each other, battling each other, and just having the mutual respect for each other. Definitely. Yeah. It just seems like there probably isn't anybody else that you could kind of compare to that. They're like Eminem shows love too on that level of doing music with them. Royce? Royce. Royce is like this legendary rapper as well. They have such a relationship, yeah.

1:42:01Yeah. They locked in. Yeah. I mean, if I'm Eminem's manager during the COVID era of all these rappers coming out of Detroit and everything, I'm trying to insert myself into that a little bit more. He did. What was that? He asked Royce to 5 '9", should he do a song with Teague Risley? Right. The first day out came out. Yeah. And Royce told him, according to him, we only know about this because Royce recanted, he told the story on the breakfast grill. What did Royce say? I didn't even know about that. He said that he said, yeah, but wait, let's see if he can do what he did with First Day Out again.

1:42:40Let's see if he can really do that again. Right. Because you don't, as a huge rapper, you don't necessarily want to be attaching yourself to everyone. Drake did it with Amigos, Versace, Versace. But there weren't one hit wonders. Nicki Minaj did it with Solid Baby with Whole Lotta Choppers. Yeah. I can name a million rappers who lended their credibility who landed their influence to up-and-coming rappers. But to be fair, Drake is well-known as the guy who would do a song with all kinds of different rappers. Eminem has been so sparing with his cosign over the years that— He cosigned 50 Cent? One of the biggest rappers of all time.

1:43:15Not at that time. Yeah, but he became that. He cosigned 50 Cent. But who also was signed to him. He had every reason to do a song with 50. 50 was the hottest rapper. He turned him up. He cosigned him up. And he was profiting from it financially, which is different than Tigris. He turned him up when he was being blackballed by the entire industry. Irv Gotti and the whole rock of, they were trying to end 50 Cent. But if M did a song with Tee Grizzly right after first day out, I mean, in retrospect, I think it would have been a good look. But it also maybe could have been viewed in a different way.

1:43:49It could have been viewed as like, oh, look at Eminem clout chasing off of the new hot kid from Detroit. And I think that's what they were probably being cautious of. No, because that's not what he said. That's not what he said. that's not the reason that Royce gave. Royce says, let's see if he can make another son. Basically, we want to see if he can actually have sustained popularity as an artist without your co-sign. Which I think is reasonable. Even though, ultimately, I think Tee Grizzly's talented enough as a rapper that that wasn't... See what I just did, right? Yeah, you're gonna get real.

1:44:15See what I just did. Were you filming with those earlier or you just rock them all the time? No, they're not even old. I just got them. I didn't actually work on them yet. You gotta get the displays. The middle displays. Don't get them getting displays. What's the displays? Displays where you have the, you use your fingers side of the window. Oh, I'm dying to try that. That sounds cool too. Yeah, you got to go do the demo. I should have looked into it more. So listen, if Eminem would have done a song off of the success of First Day Out, that would have been a major cosign because of who Eminem is worldwide.

1:44:45Of course, yeah. That would have done something not just for T's career, but what would it have meant to the regular rank-and-file hood nigga who aspires to be a rapper. Yeah. The influence would have been immense. It would have been a very good look for Eminem, but there's another problem that could have happened too. There's all these scenarios that could have unfolded. In hip hop, when did we get to all these buts in hip hop? Okay, but there's a problem that happens in rap where an artist gets big too fast because of a cosign. Think of Blockboy JB. Drake gave him the cosign. Had the biggest rapper ever.

1:45:22it ruined what was at that time a gradual slow building of hype around Blockboy JB because it was all of a sudden this insane spike and he was never able to make another song that really capitalized on it. In retrospect, if we look at it in hindsight, Teague Risley is a hit making. He's a very talented rapper and musician, yes. I agree. Right? Yep. So was he able to make another one? He made a bunch of other big records, right? Yeah. He's still relevant now in the culture, right? Sure, yeah. He still has his deal. He signed his deal in 2016. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ten years later. Yeah. How many rappers have been in deals for ten years?

1:46:01Not a lot in this day and age, yeah. Well, you don't think, I mean, let's be real. The streets think T-Grizzly kind of fell off by this point. Yeah, hey, they can think what they want to think. Yeah. But anytime he wants to do what he needs to do, he can do it. I put my money on him. Yeah. So another thing is, when it comes to the success of First Day Out, name a Royce the 5 '9' song right now listen hold on motherfucker hold on I fought with Royce the 5 '9' here we go I have a bad memory name a Royce the 5 '9' song name a Royce the 5 '9' song this is blood money name a Royce the 5 '9' song I can however it will require me going to his Apple Music page you just said he was a legend though he's a legendary rapper name an Eminem song rappers can be legendary without necessarily having a huge song name an Eminem song I mean I could name many name one my name is name one Royce the 5-9 song I can't remember there's great Royce the 5-9 songs though okay okay

1:47:13name a Tee Grizzly song besides First Day Out

1:47:20well he had the blood is what was it the blood is mixtape with Lil Durk right I don't remember any of the particular song names but no effort that was a big one yeah thank you for volunteering that he has access to Google over there so

1:47:39yeah I don't know Tee Grizzly lyrically is one of the greatest MCs Detroit has ever seen period one of the most influential emcees Detroit has ever seen. So why do you feel like his career has slowed down a little bit? Because he's doing other things. He's doing what you suggested that other rappers do. He's 10 years in, right? So he started to, his focus is not directly on music anymore. His focus is on, he has a bunch of business ventures going on from real estate to gaming. I heard that GTA shit ain't really what it used to be. It ain't what it used to be for some people who don't have the level of popularity.

1:48:13I heard it's not what it used to be for him specifically. There's this dude who makes YouTube videos about how he's basically gone out of his way to destroy the virtual economy in his GTA server, which he points out in some of those videos that the number of people consecutively using the GTA server is not what it used to be. Granted, GTA 5 been on for like 15 years. GTA 6, hey, I'll bet the house on Tee Grizzly making a boatload of money when GTA 6 comes out. And do you know how many other people he's turned on to that? do you know how many other rappers how many other his friends are sitting back making$20 ,000,$30 ,000 a month they have GTA servers really?

1:48:49yes he's building a GTA server for me right now for real? yes he should be a part of his GTA server you think you need your own server? hey listen I'll take the money anyway I was a robber so to be to sit on GTA and cuss people out and shoot people with virtual guns it does look fun yeah I want to f*** with the RP shit can I take my money back now? you definitely can I ain't taking that I don't know who you killed to get that. I robbed. You killed.

1:49:19I wasn't going to say it before, but all those stories about robbing people at gunpoint, I'm like, man, no one of them went bad.

1:49:29And that's probably where that money's from. I have breaking news for you. You hear me? Yeah, sure. When you see the full footage of what happened between All-Star JR Jr. OG33. You've seen it? In Ben 10. When you see the, you saw a part of it. When you see the rest of the footage. The security footage? All the stories that academics are trying to run interference. He's trying to run PR. Speaking of PR campaign. On behalf of Team Youngboy? Yeah, he's running a PR campaign this long for Team Youngboy. But when that footage comes out. It's going to change the whole narrative? Yes. In what way? It's going to make All-Star JR look like a badass?

1:50:11No. JR, listen, bro. JR is not trying to look like a badass, right? People are accusing him of trolling, right? Trolling is what 6ix9ine did to Chicago. Yeah. Right? That's trolling. Don't know him. Don't have no relationship with him, right? You're just saying things about him because they are at the top of the totem pole and you're just using them to get clout chase, right? Mm-hmm. All-Star JR is talking about or made a song about in reference something that he actually lived through, went through and experienced. You talking about what you actually went through, whether somebody else likes it or not, that's not trolling.

1:50:45That's just simply you talking about your life experience. That's not trolling. He's not speaking from – he's not speaking – I didn't tell him a story and he just went and he was recanting what I told him. He's talking about what he actually went through. That's not trolling. I mean, but he looks like a badass because he was on defense. He wasn't really f***ing with nobody. He had a bunch of dudes try some shit with him, and then he not only survived this encounter, but he actually did more damage than they did. Listen, I don't give a fuck what academics are saying. Okay. He took the gun from them and shot them with their own gun.

1:51:23I wouldn't give a fuck if he was laying on his back or if he was hanging from the raptor like a monkey in a zoo. Y 'all attacked him, dropped your gun, he got it, and he busts your ass out. Yeah, that's bad. He shot your finger off your body. You can't even dig in your nose with that finger no more. It's gone. He took Ben 10's finger? No, the other daddy and Ron, he ain't got no finger. He can't even dig in his nose. Oh, no. Well, you got the other hand. Yeah, but he's used to using this finger. It's got to be awkward to hit it. Yeah, he got to use this to dig in his nose. He got to use his pinky finger.

1:51:56I almost lost that one, too. Ben 10, get up and walk. all the videos you're getting facials and you're eating cold ass eggs and a breakfast platter and a styrofoam platter you think it's really paralyzed? get up and wiggle your toes and and show the world that shit bag you got on you show that world that shit bag you got on you Benny? hey Benny show the world that shit bag hold your shirt up nigga why is he your op? you hate J Prince Jr. so much that anyone who rolls around with him is up? No, we don't. Listen, All-Star JR doesn't know, didn't know, had never met Ben 10, doesn't know him at all.

1:52:38Yeah. NBA never had a problem with JR? As somebody who interviewed All-Star JR just because he was a relatively well-known rapper in Detroit and he had this association with T, et cetera, it was pretty bizarre for me to see him involved in this storyline after not thinking about him for the last four years. Of all storylines, oh, okay, so you have to hate on them because you're pro-Detroit. That makes sense to me. No, no, no. It has nothing to do with it. I'm pro real nigga shit. So listen. I'll start looking like a real one and all this stuff. So listen. Good for him. So I've defended many people from Detroit.

1:53:10Some you know, some you don't know. Right? So me defending a rapper, it seems like I'm defending the rapper. I'm defending Detroit as a whole because that's the city I represent. Simple as that. It has nothing to do with an individual per se. Yeah. Right? You watched rappers who have names turn against me over the last month. Still hasn't stopped me. It still didn't stop J.R. from telling academics, if you ain't heard it from Dogface, it ain't come from me. This is on the backdrop of all these people from Detroit saying, oh, he's not from Detroit. He's from Pontiac. He don't speak for Detroit.

1:53:47But then when the most significant thing that happens, even though it's something negative, the person who it happened to, who's from Detroit, chooses me to be his voice in the YouTube streets. How far from Detroit is Pontiac? 20 minutes. It's nothing. 20 minutes. Yeah, I mean, I feel the same way when people are like, I'm not from Detroit, I'm from Flint. It's like, okay, bro. We're all the way over here. Y 'all are all in this little cluster. I'm sorry, we're going to lump you all in again. It's like Long Beach. LA dudes will be like, he ain't from LA, he's from Long Beach. To the rest of the world, Long Beach is LA.

1:54:22Yeah, so Detroit going north, up 75. Detroit, Punyak. Yeah. Flint, Sackenholm. It takes an hour to get from Detroit. An hour is pretty significant. It takes an hour to get from Detroit to Flint. Right? Yeah. For sure if there was a rapper who blew up out of San Diego. That's a two hour drive. The whole thing is, every interview, I've been getting interviewed, I am the most interviewed person and I'm more interviewed than any rapper that you know. I've been interviewed on a constant, consistent basis for 15 years, right? When you look at YouTube presence, you see more about Dogface than anybody else in the city of Detroit, right?

1:55:11I'm not ashamed to be from Pontiac, bro. DDG. I was going to bring him up, yeah. You proud of his contribution to the Pontiac reputation? I absolutely am. So listen, I'm not running a high. Every interview I've done, they say, hey, were you born and raised in Detroit? No, I was born in Punta Yacht. I moved to Detroit. I've been filling in Detroit for a long, long time. Simple as that. I've never lost a battle in the city of Detroit, whether it's streets or anything else. I certainly haven't lost a social media battle. I certainly haven't lost a YouTube battle. I certainly haven't lost anything.

1:55:45Have you ever tap in with DDG? No. Oh, okay. I know his family, but I don't know him. Do you think it's overall a good thing that you have somebody whose reputation is not based on street shit or whatever being a good role model out of there? It's a good thing for any city. If you can find somebody who's made his way like he has with the type of influence and leverage that he has, it's a good thing. I think people need to be proud of him. I think the whole state of Michigan needs to be proud of him because he's setting the tone. He's setting the example. Yeah, yeah. It's definitely dope to see.

1:56:11He is. Yeah. Good for DDG, for sure. Okay, what do you think about Boosie putting out all this shit about his protective custody list. Do you have any thoughts about what yards people are going to? Is this a big conversation in Detroit like it is out here? No. I don't give a fuck about what Boosie's talking about. Boosie's another motherfucker who picks and chooses who he wants to criticize. I call it selective gangsterism. He's another person. When we know Vlad and Vlad asked him about QCP, he dumbed up. He knows everything. He knows everything that happened. He dumbed up because he didn't want to run afoul of QCP because of the amount of power, leverage, the artist that he represents, he didn't want to run afoul of that but Boosie has never been shy about calling somebody a rat he knows exactly what QCP did and he held his tongue because he was afraid of that power and of that influence nah it is pretty crazy when you really think about it there's so few people who have really been consistent about who they're willing to put the since jacket on he didn't pipe down off of that shit he went against Gunnar because it was convenient for him to go against Gunnar because everybody else was going against Gunnar he didn't go against Young Thug though he dummied up I don't pay attention to, listen if you're listening to Boosie and if you think you're getting some substantive quality information how that stupid b**** you a fool you think he's stupid?

1:57:29yeah I think he's stupid he's smart as smart is but you don't look to Boosie for world events but the thing about Boosie is that Boosie will only do an interview with Vlad like every 3-4 months and then when he does the interview he has the power and the ability to tell Vlad hey I don't want to talk about this this and this so Vlad obviously like if he does an interview every three or four months there's a bunch of rappers every three or four months that you can say hey this dude told what do you think Wax said this dude told what do you think you know like 1090J made a video about this guy what do you think Boosie like clearly kind of ducks a lot of that shit yeah he ducks a lot of it because of I just told you that in the black community right we pick and choose we always have that's nothing new people are trying to put the picking and choosing on this generation.

1:58:17No, we've always picked and choose based on convenience or based on benefit. If I can benefit from you, then even if I know you have done something wrong, I'm not going to condemn you like I would condemn that motherfucker over there because I get nothing from him, I gain nothing from him, he does nothing for me. The crazy thing about it is that as hip hop fans, prior to 6ix9ine, who was a well-known rapper or figure in hip-hop that told nobody we went 40 years or whatever of people making gangster rap music and you never really there's rumors or people would put it on somebody say so-and-so was a snitch but you never you had to kind of take their word for it since 6ix9ine the flood grades truly have opened like so many all the way open to the point where now we have to kind of grade it on a curve because what good what gucci did seems a lot worse than what gonna You don't have to grade it on the curve.

1:59:15But there's levels to talent. You just call it what you call it, right? So listen, what we're seeing displayed in hip-hop with our stars and entertainers is what's always been going on in the hood anyway. We're just seeing the hip-hop, our stars, our celebrities fall. But this is nothing new. People are not shocked because Gucci Mane told on something. They're not shocked. They're not shocked about 6ix9ine. Listen, one of the most popular rappers in the world over the last five years, Boston Ritchie. We saw him in an interrogation room doing the one-two. There is life after. There is life after.

1:59:57White America, don't give a fuck. Most of the females don't give a fuck. They don't give a fuck about that. They don't care. White America, you say the world. looks at the world. The world is not a bunch of niggas sitting around judging the motherfucker and pointing the finger at the motherfucker. The world is not dog face versus whack 100. The world does not give a fuck about either me or him. The world don't give a fuck about some nigga getting robbed in a studio in Dallas. They don't give a fuck about that shit. That shit is entertainment. People's downfall has become the world's entertainment.

2:00:31Niggas have always entertained the world. We've always been the court gestures. That's what we're here for. We're here to entertain the world. Nobody gives a f*** about who told on what. Telling it on somebody is not going to stop Gucci Mane from getting endorsements. Telling it on somebody didn't stop him from being paraded out in front of a stadium full of spectators. Many of us who call them a rat. He got paid. I think you are going to be surprised as time goes by how much of an impact this is going to have on Gucci's career. So let me tell you why I'm not surprised. because Gucci man's popularity, success, and impact was already waning well before this shit happened.

2:01:07You know, his reputation has already taken so many shots. I think a bigger blow than even this was when he went up to the breakfast club and he admitted that he was bipolar and he was on medication and he sat there like a lap dog while his wife guided him through that whole ridiculous interview. I think it explained things for a lot of people, though. We knew he was bipolar. But it explained like why you just don't see him that much and why when you do see him, it seemed like it was in such a controlled environment. She should be protecting her bag. Yeah. But okay, the reason why I even said that about how prior to 2000, there was like such a shortage of people who told in hip hop is that it used to be easy for somebody like Boosie to say, I don't f*** with rats.

2:01:51And over the last six years, it has become kind of difficult to say that because that That means you're going to have to cut off a lot of your relationships, even as a guy like Boosie. Yeah, because even if you don't, listen, even if you don't with a person directly, there are other people who are going to deal with that person. Yeah. So do you have to cut them off too? Yeah. According to the street rules, if you fuck with a rat, you're a rat. Yeah. So right now, with the way hip-hop is right now, you would be cutting off everybody. Yeah. Because it is a cycle. Yeah. but now it's like you know even it's hard to remember how this seems so quaint but 69 came out here to try to do media when he first got out in like 2020 and maybe 2021 i forget but like glad didn't want him on i don't even think i was in the conversation he had to go do a podcast with logan paul you know he had to go do somebody who was like totally outside of hip-hop and even then it's all talking about snitching or whatever but that just seems crazy like why the like now everybody in hip-hop's like, yeah, we'll do Canto with 6ix9ine.

2:02:56Why not? I mean, sure, there's some people who won't. You know why? I'm going to tell you why. Because the world was judging 6ix9ine according to the black standard. Black people don't f*** with him. Then, uh-uh, we ain't f***ing with him. The world was judging, and the world woke up. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Guy's kind of funny. He's entertaining. And f*** them niggas he told on. And nobody should be even slightly surprised because up until the last five, six years, there was another standard. We're not going to do content with Nazis. Now you got Nick Fuentes going on all kinds of huge podcasts. That's withered away because now everybody's value, our primary leading value is attention.

2:03:42If they bring attention, people in the media will do it. There are people saying, I ain't going on Vlad. I ain't going on Vlad the police. I ain't going on No Jumper. of, uh, police.

2:03:56Okay? So listen, for the first time, right, for the first time ever, right, adolescent, young black boys and girls and preteen adolescents, when they were asked what do they want to be, streamers and podcasters came in higher than rappers and singers. You're a powerhouse. It doesn't matter whether people like what you say, like what you do. it's of no consequence. People can talk about Adam. Oh Adam let somebody f*** his wife. If I ain't losing no sleep about it why are you? I'm not suffering. She's not suffering. Y 'all trying to judge me and what I do according to your own limited understanding of what you think is right or wrong.

2:04:45I don't think the same way you think. The majority of the people in this world they don't think like black people think in the ghetto. What black people think in the ghetto don't run shit. Does it run politics? It's what black people think about Donald Trump. I mean, does that stop Donald Trump from being Donald Trump? Him doing pretty well with the black population was definitely beneficial to him this time around, but, you know, yeah, obviously it's kind of limited. I mean, like, let's say I knew that Joe Rogan was a Fed. Joe Rogan, like, works closely with the Feds. And let's say that I was a criminal.

2:05:18Let's say I'm secretly running some sort of cocaine distribution network if Joe Rogan invited me on his podcast I would still go on it and then I would not tell him about my cocaine distribution because it's valuable to be able to go on a big platform right I'm going to defend you here I'm going to defend you Adam's the fed Adam asks fed questions blah blah blah hey listen I'm a content creator you stupid son of a bitch my job is to get to school my job is to make my content interesting enough to the point where people will watch it again and again and again.

2:05:56If I ask you a question about something that you know you did, and it's criminal, if you answer the question, that's on you, genius. That's on you. That's on you. If you really are such a street dude that you've got all this shit to hide. Thanks to shooting my bang-bang ass nigga. Aren't you used to hiding it because you have to hide it in every other aspect of your life. What are you doing on No Jumper if you robbing, stealing, and killing? And your only contribution, the only thing that he could ever want to talk to you about is the fact that you a robber, stealer, killer, or drug dealer. Who the f*** are you?

2:06:35I've interviewed so many people that later on I find out, oh, that guy was a drug dealer. Oh, that guy was a f***ing killer. That guy killed a bunch of people. And guess what? When they were on the podcast, they didn't even hint at the fact that they had killed a bunch of people because if you kill a bunch of people, you're pretty much already putting yourself in the position where you need to make sure that people do not find out about that. So listen, so do they blame you? When you found out later you interviewed people who you had no idea about their criminal background, did people blame you for that too or no?

2:07:03Yeah, yeah, for sure, yeah. They blamed you for that? I mean, it makes no sense, but yeah, for sure. Even the all-star Jay Arthur, there's people pulling up the old interview that I did with him where we talked for at least a little bit about the fact that he got shot in the head and survived. And people are like, oh my God, Look at what happens when you go on no jumper. Like you end up in this story. It's like he was telling you about some shit that happened. He got shot and he didn't survive. That he knew that he couldn't get in trouble for because it already happened. He got shot in the head.

2:07:28He didn't tell you about, he didn't say who shot him. He didn't say he shot nobody. He said I got shot. But I really have seen like viral posts of people where the comment section is filled with like, that's what happens when you go on no jumper. I'm like, this is four or five years ago. No. What happened in Houston at Confessions? Yeah. It had nothing to do with no jumper. Yeah. What happened with Trey, what was that Trey Nine? What was the Nine Trey? Oh, the Nine Trey Bloods, yeah. That had to do with you? No. What happened to Pop Smoke? That was you? No. Lil Durk was you? No. King Vine was you?

2:08:02Nah. Quando Rondo's friend getting killed was you? Yeah. None of that's you? And that's the annoying thing is that people will put the most extreme allegation on you of saying that you're a cop or you're a fed or whatever. Easy target. But they don't consider it their responsibility to prove it. But then meanwhile, in the streets, if you're going to call somebody a snitch or whatever, what's the number one thing that a street dude is going to tell you if you call somebody a snitch and you're out of bounds with it? They're going to say, if you don't get the black and white, if you don't got proof or whatever, you can't be putting that allegation on him.

2:08:33Somehow I don't get that same benefit of the doubt. Because you're a white boy. I know. You're a white boy. So therefore, it's easy to condemn you. But for the same thing they accused you of doing, they themselves do and have been doing. they picking and choosing. They trying to pick on you because you're Adam 22. And they believe that you're an easy target. But the same people who try to pick on you are the same people who wish they were sitting where I'm sitting right now. They wish it. Upon a star. All of the people who hate dog face, do you know what they're doing right now? Yeah. They're pulling their hair out.

2:09:07Right now they're nervous that I'm going to say their name on a podcast that has a five, how many subscribers you got now? It's like almost 5 million, I think. You got 5 million? You got 5 million? Almost. It's like 4.9 or something. They're pulling their hair out right now. Yeah. If you think they're pulling their hair out right now, wait till tomorrow. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Why? Breaking news. Breaking news? Who's your bestest buddy in this whole content creator game who's just as big, if not bigger, than you are? What?

2:09:46I've already been on Me and I can put We were friends Yeah I'm going on Vlad Yeah I'm going on Vlad You hear me? You've earned it for sure I figure there's no way Mafi's not bringing you there too Mafi is a

2:10:03Yeah yeah That's dope You'd probably be a repeat guest on there

2:10:12which by the way like what are your thoughts on Boosie deciding that Vlad wasn't paying him enough I think he's too much in somebody else's business it is an absolute fact that he found out what 6-9 paid and that influenced Boosie doesn't have any complicated thought process he's a stupid right so do you think he has a complicated thought process where in which he's figuring this shit out and putting all this shit together he ain't putting this shit together like that he saw that he heard that he He made$50 ,000 and how could you be paying him who's a rat more you paying me? You're not more interesting than he is.

2:10:47The content creator game, don't have nothing to say. Listen, it doesn't matter if you're a real nigga or not. And he paid what he paid 6ix9ine. I know how much you paid him. He paid him that because it was his first tell-all interview in many, many, many years. Meanwhile, Boosie's on interview number 30. And his interviews would do really well if there was exciting shit to talk about. But if there wasn't, you know, he's kind of grasping for topics, you know, and that's why they only did. I'm sure Vlad would have loved to interview Boosie every single month if it was a little cheaper. Listen, Boosie, listen.

2:11:21You became relevant in the interview space, in the YouTube space, because of Vlad. Yeah. So Boosie has the same kind of thing that Charleston White has going. You think you're bigger than the program. Yeah. We're going to show you that you're not. Yeah. And this is my main thing, and this is why I think that Boosie turning on Vlad is not going to be, it's not going to last in the long term is because almost every single person who's a repeat guest on vlad is somebody who also makes their own content yes you know vlad like really who is he finding like how is he scouting for repeat guests he's looking at youtube he's looking at who has channels etc so he looks at somebody like oskino and says oh shit he's doing really good on youtube i should see if he wants to do an interview and then he becomes a repeat guest and he's also looking at smaller platforms that are also doing interviews with people and deal with me yeah for sure even me when i'm coming up in the rap game i found a old ass email that i wrote to vlad like when i first first started having motion on youtube where i was trying to be a guest on there why because i knew that if i could go on his channel i could give him content for free and it would help increase my visibility so with boosty he's acting like he needs to either be on vlad or do his own channel even if your channel does amazing even if you make a hundred thousand dollars a month off of your channel you would still be kind of foolish to not go get 20 25k whatever from vlad every three four months like this is how the game works now you're a damn fool use vlad's platform but then work on your own platform as well that's what everybody else doing you a damn fool

2:12:55artful he just threw a phone to his homie between two cameras oh I want to give a shameless plug to the Compton Pyroos in the building oh hear me shout out to the Compton Pyroos don't try it I will not don't try it well actually you mentioned porn the other day I'm shooting a porn scene with some girl and then another dude, right? Right. We banging this chick together. And I'm starting to like, and he told me he's from Compton. Paul's at him, Paul's at him, Paul. He told me he was from Compton, and as soon as he takes his shirt off, I get like the gang unveil. Uh-huh. And the other fucking West Side, Piru, across his whole chest.

2:13:38Oh, so you're heavy on the porn gang now. Oh, yeah, I'm deep. Is porn, so is that a natural transition from, because. One hustle's not enough for me. Right. You know, I'm a legend in two games. Right, so you just like, just. I mean how did you get into porn Adam what happened just no how'd you get into porn we all be doing just having a big old white dick why you guys just slanging it I ain't even offended I ain't offended because we too mean here we gotta say pause everything you get me it's a hustle it's a hustle of course do you make a lot of money doing that I do pretty good pretty good I'm alright alright you ever thought about getting into it who do who do who got it it's mine oh yeah it's all good okay i got you but oh yeah don't worry about it's all good did you have a pre-existing relationship with the compton pyroos yes where did that come from what i'm dog face i can understand the uh symbolic values listen listen i get i get along with all robbers oh okay shit they're robbers all right I get along with all steppers.

2:14:46All right. The only people who don't like me is bitch ass, hoe ass, pussy ass niggas. Is you a stepper? You gonna step on something? You gonna make something happen? Right? They love me, man. I like that. But you're wrong with them because you also want to make it clear that you get love from the Pirus in LA. No, I ain't trying to make nothing be known. The ones that don't hang out with WAC. That's family. I don't give a fuck about no WAC. That's family. Oh, okay. That's family. It's a check-in. Oh, it is? Oh, shit. You check in with the number one crew in the area. Okay. They come to Detroit.

2:15:19They come to where I am. They come to Tampa Bay, Atlanta, Detroit. They come ride gathom. That's what's up. That's how it is. That's how it's supposed to be, yeah. Yeah. It's some gangster shit. It's a mutual understanding amongst gangsters. You think I'm crazy that I go to all these cities and I don't check in with anybody? You might need to check in with them Compton, Pyro, bro, if you want to be safe. Okay. Because you ain't having no luck with them goddamn Crips. Really? respectfully. Sorry. You know the Buds and the Crips aren't like at war out here by nature, right? You're going to make them at, Wack is trying his best to make them go to war with each other.

2:15:53That's a complicated landscape out there, you know? It is, ain't it? Yeah. Yeah, but see, I'm going to introduce you to them before we leave so we can, you know what I'm saying? Because they, they make major, they should be. They seem like an upstanding young gentleman. Don't, look at them. Yeah. Look, don't get the, you know. He's telling me, don't judge a book

2:16:13guys i know you could be a good guy and have a face tattoo yeah yes i understand yeah yeah i'm turned on to that um all right so uh where you feel like like like what are you all building up to with all this i feel like you've done like an amazing job making yourself more and more of a a focal voice that can be relied on especially with street shit especially with detroit shit especially with just anything in hip-hop that needs an explanation you've kind of become like one of those guys that Axe's gonna tap in with when he needs to get some intelligence. Like where is this all leading up to with you?

2:16:45Are you, you're building your own platform and everything as well? I'm building my own platform. Shout out to Relax Streetstar, shout out to the Mafi channel, right? My integral part of that. Shout out to everybody who's been instrumental in helping me build my brand. Everybody from Kid L, everybody from The Forum Magazine, everybody has a voice, shout out to all my people. Finko, Gotti, OG, Fat Tay, all the sameless plugs. I'm going to use my sameless plug. I like it, yeah. Shout out to everybody who's been instrumental and helped me do what I do. Mafi has been instrumental. And Jeff from Real Life Street Stars have been instrumental in helping me build my overall brand.

2:17:24Where is he based out of? Dallas. Dallas, right, yeah. Yeah, Real Life Street Stars. The Blue Couch. That's what they call it, the Blue Couch. Right, right, right. So my whole thing is

2:17:36I can't be f***ed with when it comes to this shit. I am the most dangerous voice in Detroit. I am morphing into the most dangerous voice in the country when it comes to YouTube streets. We call it the YouTube streets. You are pretty good. I'm great at this shit. This is just scratching the surface. Shout out to everybody. My whole YouTube streets crew. Shout out to Baby Doll. Shout out to the figure boogie Detroit gossip. Uncle Ju. Shout out to everybody who's been supporting me, who's been standing behind me. Shout out to everybody in Detroit who's been supporting me. Where would you say you get most of your knowledge about on the topics that you talk about?

2:18:05Are you strictly combing social media or are you hopping on the phone and really like tapping in with the people who know what's going on before you go on a podcast and discuss some breaking news? I'm a reader. I'm a student of history, religion, and politics. So I'm an avid reader. I read everything from popular science, popular mechanic to National Geographic. I don't sit up and watch porn all day. Neither do I. Just make it. I read. I study. I'm a student of all things. You hear me? As a black man, you can't afford not to know something. because you never know what opportunity presents itself or will present itself.

2:18:39So you have to be ready for whatever comes your way. Yeah, definitely. Sometimes I feel like I got to do more research before I get on here and discuss topics. There's just so much shit going on that it's hard to find the time to start calling all the right people and stuff. But then when I see Akhop on stream, I can tell that he's already ascertained a bunch of information by talking to the people who are closer to the subject matter and everything like that. I'm warning academics about this Ben 10 NBA Ben 10 I'm warning him about trying to provide A safety net for them bitch ass niggas I'm warning him I'm telling you academics I'm warning you You can do Public relationship for them But when you get to trying to be specific about shit I'm warning you not to do that G7 G7 is in the building by the way too You know what that is Did you say?

2:19:33No, it is? No. Grizzly Gang. Ah, okay. Nice. They in the building right now. That's good to know. The big one. The big giant one over there. Oh, yeah? The big giant one over there. Oh, I did a cooking show with T. Grizzly one time. Yeah, how did it turn out? Well, it's not on YouTube anymore. I looked for it a little while back. Uh-huh. Oh, it wasn't your content? Nah, he, like, at some point, I think his label had him doing a cooking show. Right, right. I guess it didn't work out that well because he stopped doing it. Okay, we should do one. We should do something. We should do something. I don't give a fuck about cooking, but we could do something.

2:20:04Something, do something. Yeah, definitely. You got any more questions for me? I know you have questions for me. I know Wackman texted you. That was pretty much the majority of it, yeah. I know Wackman texted you. What Wack say? Come on. Actually, I don't think he hit me. In the way in the world, he ain't hit you. He know he watching this shit. He did not hit me up. Baby Shooter text you? Nah. Tell Baby Shooter I seen him fight. It wasn't good? It wasn't good. You're implying it wasn't good? It wasn't good. Damn. Hey, L.A., I love y 'all. I'm in the building. and y 'all know what it is. I'm on no jumper, baby.

2:20:33I made it, baby. Hey, Mom. You made it, man. Hey, Mama. And you're the second dog face I interviewed. Who? Ain't no... Who? What? You don't know about the other one? No, ain't no other dog face, man. Man, I'm sorry. Call him right now so I can check that bitch-ass nigga. What you talking about? I don't know his number, but look. That says everything I need to hear. Let me see. Wait, why does it not come up? Because there's only one dog face. That's because your content has been bombarded with me. You don't know about the other dog face? The one who was drinking the cranberry juice? Oh, yeah, I heard about that.

2:21:04Yeah, I heard about that. I heard about that. Yeah, I interviewed him when he first went viral back in the day. I heard about that. He's like a Native American motherfucker. You mentioned him when you were mentioning me one day. Yeah, I got you. I got you. I'm the only dog face, though. He could change his name. Oh, okay. I'm going to tell him. You're telling him. I don't think he's really like street adjacent. He told me he used to live in a tent. Like on purpose. Free spirit. Out in the woods, yeah. Yeah, one of those. Okay, I get you. I got you. There's only one dog face. I don't think you'd be happy living in a tent.

2:21:30No. You got bigger aspirations. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. I don't think I could live in a tent either. No. I've never even been camping. It's hard to f*** in a tent, ain't it? You're on the ground. Depends how big it is, but yeah, for sure that could be a problem. Gotcha. It could be a problem. If you're going to live in a tent, you kind of owe it to yourself to have a fire air mattress or something going on. Yeah, something like that. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. I don't want to sleep on the f***ing... Any more questions you got for me? The roots and the dirt, nah. Ask me a good question. Shit.

2:21:56You've been playing with me. No, we did what we're supposed to do. I got to go to a party in a minute. Party? Yeah, all of a sudden I'm going to a party. It's like an industry shit, man. I don't know. I don't know. Am I inviting you? I don't even have a plus one. What? They didn't even give me a plus one. One, two, three, four, fast. If I show up at this music industry party with a dog face and 20 Detroit gang members and also Compton gang members. They from here. The music industry is just terrified of the streets of LA, let me tell you that much. Look at them. They nice guys though. Look at him.

2:22:30Look at him. They look like nice guys, yeah. Yeah, look at him. He's a God-fearing Christian man. But you notice how the labels in LA will sign every drill rapper out of Chicago and New York, but they won't sign an LA gangster? You know why? Because these niggas crazy. They don't want that shit in their backyard. I wouldn't sign them neither. Look at them motherfuckers. Look at them right there. Hell no, I ain't saying them motherfuckers. I wouldn't sign them motherfuckers neither. When I was with Atlantic, I tried to sign Draco and they looked at me like I had three heads. They don't want to sign people that are going to attract that energy out here.

2:22:56I'm glad you said that, right? Are you going to ever work for a label again? I have no desire to. Are you going to start your own label? I have no desire to. But it would be cool to, like, get to that point. But I don't know. There's, like, a bunch of artists I could kind of imagine myself signing right now. But it just doesn't really feel like the best use of my time. So, listen. How about we have a conversation through Mafi? we put together something because I have deep roots from Detroit to Memphis to St. Louis to Tampa Bay to Florida, all of Central Florida. How about we have a conversation about choosing, how about we choose an artist and we both get behind one artist?

2:23:31Shit, you got the artist and I believe in them. I'm open to it for sure. Yeah, so how about we create some system where we let the people from No Jumper vote on what artist? There you go. How about that? Let's shake on it. But here's the thing. As soon as the artist, like the narrative is so important. And I feel like as soon as the narrative is like, oh, No Jumper has their new rapper. That's not the best narrative. Why not? When have you ever heard of a rapper blowing up who signed to a media company? The media companies are the future. Stop talking down about yourself. Stop underestimating yourself.

2:24:04You're a media tycoon. You're not just Adam. But I think the people want an artist to seem self-made. Or they want to see him sign to an artist that they already live. We don't give a fuck what the people want. We decide. We are the culture. We are the movers and shakers in the culture. We don't give a f*** what they say or what they want. We give them what we want them to have. We force feed it to them. We don't give a f*** what they think. F*** y 'all. The people at home, not the people who are standing directly behind the cameras. I can't control. They might take it the other way. So listen.

2:24:38Let's choose an artist. Let's have them submit it. We'll let Moffy put it together. We'll find a way for them to submit it, and then we'll let no jumpers audience decide. I already got an artist, Crip Mac.

2:24:57He'd be rapping. Adam, we're talking about somebody who has a command of the English language above and beyond. I ain't even going to diss Crip Mac. He's read books. He's smarter than some of the other Crips out there. I ain't going to diss him because I don't know him. But I'm talking about somebody more of the thingy-thingy. Somebody who doesn't have a threat to kill people on his forehead, maybe? Yeah. That would probably be a good step in the right direction. Somebody who fits the overall. Because we're going to decide what the culture wants. We're going to tell them what they like. In the music industry, you are kind of beholden to the people.

2:25:35They tell you what's moving and then you dump gas on it. So the first time you heard Sexy Red, you thought it was a smash single? Pretty much, yeah. No, you didn't. For sure. Just mad. First time I heard it was like Pound Town. It was a song that was so destined to be gigantic. So watch this. That tells you how polluted and how corrupt your cycle lives. No, because I know what people like. That, that, do you understand what you're saying? But I heard her when she was already fully developed, when she had already had songs that were being pushed out to people. Yeah, but do you know what that says?

2:26:06You are exposing consumers of hip hop. If you heard that shit and you knew that it was gonna blow up, what does that say about the consumers of hip hop and some shit like that? They love ratchet shit. They love hedonistic, crazy turn up gangster shit. You telling me that Adam 22 and Dogface can't pick an artist and turn them into a viable star? I know about a million hoes, and I don't know if any of them are really ready to be sexy red. She does stand out to me as kind of uniquely dope.

2:26:42dope you don't agree no dope yeah in hip hop we say dope I'm sorry maybe not in Detroit no no no hip hop hip hop is Detroit Detroit is hip hop I know but dope there's something special about her it is something special about her yeah it is something people need that when that nigga spit that loogie in her pussy that brown loogie that was special that is special that was special yeah and that pussy survived that shit let me throw up my mind bro Let me throw up bro And I ain't even dissing sexy Cause there's a place for everything There's a time and place for everything Right well all the girls I know As soon as sexy Ray came out Every girl I know Every girl I know was listening to that shit I ain't mad at sexy Because girls want to listen to a girl Who's more of a whore than their comfortable being Yes that is true I ain't mad at sexy So when you see sexy don't get mad at me Most women are not going to like talk about the kind of shit That Cardi B talks about in her songs And that's why Cardi is so popular party, Megan, Nicki, they're popular because they are unafraid to be their genuine selves or to at least put on the facade.

2:27:47We all do that. If somebody disrespects me, I'm not going to go kill them. But I'll listen to rappers who talk about how if somebody disrespects them, they're going to go kill them. We're all kind of using music to live voyeuristically through people. I don't even think it's f***ed up. I think it's understandable. I mean, we're watching Bruce Lee movies who didn't even know how to do karate, right? Yeah. Yeah. Or if they did know how to do karate, they weren't no Bruce Lee. Yeah, but this ain't no Bruce Lee shit we got going on here. This is some shit. No, Sexy Red is Bruce Lee. Hey, all. Shout out to Dogface.

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2:29:02Everybody wear me. yeah I appreciate you coming on man it was great getting to know you I think you're gonna be a gigantic force you're good at what you do you're already pretty significant but you're gonna go crazy shout out to Dogfish Nojumber coolest podcast in the world check us out on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, etc like, comment, and subscribe shout out to our members who actually got to watch this live and uh I'm scared I am I don't think you came with 20 killers to be scared right You rolled with the demons for a reason. You didn't tell me this was last? Mafia consulted with me. How? I'm going to sneak out of here now.

2:29:42Shooters outside. Yeah. Baby, shooters outside. Shooter and whack outside with Drake's... Yeah. Not so much. This might be your first and last November interview. That's too bad. Really? I mean... Dang what they say. Dang what they say. All right, shout out Dogface. Let's go. This is Compton, fool!