Devour on Catching a Body, Prison Time, Lush Calling him a Hood Hopper & More

44:15Like a little bit of trauma that follows you? I got native blood in me, bro, so I just try to stay solid in every scenario, bro. You know? But I'm human too, dog, you know? And I feel like,

44:30I feel like, I feel like it do with me, bro, sometimes. You're supposed to, you know? Like how tough can you be that that isn't gonna bother you? Like, bro, like my PR, she could tell you, bro. Like, it's my first time having a PR, bro. It's my first time having a manager and shit. Like, I'm playing ball correct now, bro, you know? And they know me, you know? Like, we've been rocking. Like, I love her, bro. Straight up. Like, that's my star player right there. And she just, you know, we had a dope-ass conversation not too long ago. And she was like, D, I think it would be a good move if, you know, tapped into some therapy and shit.

45:05Look, I get the chills, bro. Like, but I'm going to stay solid until I'm no longer here, bro. that's all that's all i know bro like straight up once you start seeing a therapist you start to realize that there's a lot of stuff that you want to talk about that is just really not a great idea for you to talk about it with the actual people in your life like you know if when you talk to your homies about how you feel and let's say you feel vulnerable and emotional and soft or whatever i mean like even your homies like that could you're not going to feel 100 comfortable with them because you know that that information that is going to be processed as weakness is going to be something that could be used against you even with your girl like you know like in life in general there will be times we want to crawl into a ball like a baby and cry your eyes out and realistically most of us like that's just not really like going to necessarily be a good thing for your relationship you know like that sometimes you don't want your girl to see you like that and I think therapy is like really important because it just can kind of like once you get into a good situation with somebody that you really trust to be able to open up like that it's just like so important I think nah for sure I mean I haven't tried it yet like I mean my shorty I've been on my shorty for a long ass time bro you know like yeah and she just she feels my energy bro you know so like even her she was like dude like I just really feel like you know you are the way you are because of your upbringing and shit you know like and it's f***ed up that even I speak for LA itself bro you know like that's all that's all we know bro you know like if you solid that's all you know bro you know like not to cry this that in the third bro you know but I mean we human bro you know like I ain't gonna lie like I let my drop if I feel like they need to drop I'm not gonna hold them in you know but I've never tried therapy I've never tried to go up enough to somebody about everything bro you know and I mean I don't know what's it like have you tried f***ing with therapy and s*** like you've ever had a therapist you feel like that shit really was beneficial with shit?

47:04I think so yeah cause it's like you know you're gonna get to a point where you wanna talk about your relationship with your girl and like your girl is just not the person to talk about it with you know like your girlfriend is the one that you're doing that you're gonna war with that you are trying to figure out like do we wanna stay together is this a good relationship blah blah blah and it's like yeah talking about that with her is good talking about it with your homies is good but realistically like talking to her is super compromised you know it's just like she has her own objectives with this conversation and stuff you can't really be transparent with her in that way and then your homies like a lot of them just don't probably have the emotional intelligence to like be able to really have that conversation in a serious way and especially like dude the shit that you have been through as much as like we're in hip-hop or the streets or whatever and now it's like that that shit is like a lot more common in our like what you've been through is a lot more common to a lot of the people that we're around than like a normal person but like just being able to like open up and talk about it freely with somebody when you know that like everybody else in your world you don't want to scare them you don't want to let them know like that you feel conflicted emotionally you know there's just so many things that like complicate things and the ideal therapist relationship is somebody who just has no like i've been doing therapy for probably four years with this woman who is current you still go yeah she lives in Mexico we just do zoom calls so she's raza too she's not she's white it's good shit there's no color over here she's one of those people who like lives in Mexico because it's like super cheap and like I don't even but I've never even asked I don't know if she has a boyfriend I don't know if she has a girlfriend I don't know what you know you'd be like hey you no I've never asked no no no because it just feels like you know you can know everything about me like I don't really got any reason to like know about you yeah yeah that's tight bro shit I mean I think you should do it for sure it's not that expensive either like you know you spend well it's nothing it's just more or less like developing that trust with a stranger bro you know that's how i see it from outside looking in like i like i said i never tried it when i was in juvenile hall and i got out they made me go see a therapist but it was part of like the whole juvenile shit like yeah i was only there for like i had to fulfill like like 10 hours or some shit so i just go in there lay down i ain't talking to nobody bro you know but i think i am bro i think i am i feel like it it probably will be good for me bro because that's only a fraction of what the i've been through bro you know like and with a thing to keep in mind with therapists too is that it's like if you say i'm worried that i'm gonna go kill a bunch of people then they might have to do something about that they might have to report it or whatever yeah like i guess like but if you say if you say hey i feel terrible about it 10 years ago i killed this guy nobody knows they can't do shit about they like the code is that they're not allowed to go to the cops with that or anything like that it has to be like an imminent threat to other people's safety but if i say i caught a body back in the day they're not supposed to like do anything about that and i think it would be like a huge violation of their code you know like they they would lose their job or i guess most of them don't really like jobs that like work independently but like i don't think you really have to worry about that yeah i guess like put me on bro like like what are the restrictions like like what is like the red line when like how you said like they could go and report certain things like it's just that listen if you're planning on killing somebody next week do not tell them that but if you did some shit back in the day you're good like they can't they're not supposed to but also you ever seen the sopranos nah bro i'm not really into like tv and shit never really been so it's like a it's from back in the day and he's like an italian mobster or whatever and he ends up like sleeping with his therapist and shit oh he'll fooling yeah that's why you gotta do the zoom call you don't that temptation yeah nah yeah i probably i mean i don't know bro i think i'm gonna try it yeah for sure i'm gonna try it do you feel kind of like resentful because your wave or your momentum like slowed down in that time period like you and especially looking back on it 2018 2019 that's when like hip-hop was like exploding and then you had to basically just be on the bench and like not able to pursue your the way you wanted to it's like does it does it feel like you still have like the fan base that you had before or does it feel like you missed out on this like crucial opportunity both bro like i feel like like i wonder what i wonder what i've i don't like to think like that either though bro like because obviously that's not my reality anymore meaning like dwelling on shit that you should have and could have had like you're just gonna beat yourself over it for no reason bro you know so early on like i learned to just let that shit go and not sweat and dwell in the past bro you know but i mean something like shout out shout out i don't even like calling the fans bro i call them my fans no i thought of m instead of the n bro you know like if it wasn't for them i wouldn't be here bro my name wouldn't be alive bro you know like they go so hard for me like to be able to still like put up numbers bro you know like and this is me being like i said being on a bench for so long without feeding them shit bro you know like when i got When I went away, I chopped up like 10 music videos and I just scheduled them throughout the time I was going to be gone and I dropped them in there, bro, you know?

52:11But man, that's a big shout out to everybody bumping my shit, bro, all my fans, bro, you know? Because if it wasn't for them going so hard for me, bro, and showing that loyalty, even though loyalty don't even exist no more in 2026, bro, you know? I wouldn't be here, dog. I just wouldn't, bro, you know? that's how it feels do you feel like very disillusioned with even like the concept of like friends and like like having people that you consider close that yourself close to because you've kind of seen it go the other way so many times as far as loyalty and shit yeah oh for sure bro like it's rare and when you do you know to anybody listening and you find someone that you feel is giving you and reciprocating that loyalty you can give like i'm a loyal ass motherfucker bro Anyone that knows me, knows that.

53:01Even when it comes to problems and beef, bro, I'm loyal to that. If it's up, we up. In any scenario in life, bro, loyalty, I remain holding it tight and I'm never gonna let it go because I just feel like the heartbeat to loyalty is just slowly, it's about to just go, beep. And if it's only me that's gonna keep that shit alive, bro, I'm gonna run that, bro. But to answer you, hell yeah, bro. That word has changed, bro. It's way too much snakes. It's like this, bro. In 2026, it's okay to be fake. That's the new definition of loyalty. It's not loyalty anymore. It's being a snake, bro. And once you find them people that you feel like are still helping you keep that heartbeat to loyalty alive and going, cherish them people, bro, because it's rare.

53:49Yeah. Nah, folks. it's like that like i feel like so many people have this idea that they're just going to stay down with the people that they came in the game with and they just have no idea like how difficult that actually is to pull off in the long run because it's just so hard to stay on the same page with the people that you came in the game with but i do think it's like really really important to manage those relationships and try to keep that shit alive because once you're like on you know your your fourth group of friends as a podcaster or entertainer or whatever it's like it does start to feel less real you know like like real friendships the people that you actually like hung out with before you had shit i mean like you got to hold on to that shit as much as you can but also it's like realistically the the fallout's gonna happen without you trying to have it you know like you're just gonna people are gonna be selfish people are gonna want to be self-interested do their own thing and like as a person who's the light who's like creating opportunities for people and stuff you know as time goes by they're just going to more and more like want those opportunities for themselves and not want to be in your shadows no for sure bro and look it's crazy because how are you supposed to move when you was talking about like the people from back in the day like like to me that day one shit doesn't exist no more bro like back then what day one meant is this my day one, meaning you know that person for so many years, bro.

55:14But now what day ones mean to me is someone that has kept it solid from the day one I met them, bro. Like if you kept that shit solid, even if I met you two months ago, bro, and you've kept it solid from that day one, that's a day one right there, bro. It may be fresh, but like I said, look at my situation, bro. I know this dude since we was damn new kids, bro. Like young, our team, both of us in our teens type shit, bro. you know like yeah this shit is crazy bro like but that's the crazy shit though is that nobody will slime you out harder than somebody who's known you since back in the day you know you ain't on top of that bro like How are you supposed to look at it when your inner circle is no longer here, bro?

55:53My inner circle, they all up there, bro. Or down there. Because some of them are demons, bro, you know? Right. But that just made me close up a little. I mean, not even a little. A lot more, bro. Knowing that I don't really have day ones like that from back then no more, bro. They all gone, bro. Some of them ain't ever coming home. The majority of them, my starting lineup, they're dead, bro. yeah so so i just be he catch me riding the dola all the time bro straight up like all my brothers with me bro you know like yeah but yeah that's a battle i'll be battling with at times i ain't like it's so crazy how shit just changes bro do you feel like uh the music is different or better as a result of all the shit that you've lived through it's hard for me to judge my own music bro like it's always like I just always had a hard time with and it's not even like the level of confidence I have in none of that shit it's just more or less like I like to just let people judge that shit like when people ask you know how to fight find out and I'll let you judge it bro you know like I don't know it's always just been something where it's like I let I don't I don't do it to critique myself I mean when I'm alone in the stool shit like because I'm a pad you know I got a chunky ass crib I got a whole ass studio in the other side of my house and when I'm alone I I do critique myself, I'm like, okay, cool, bro.

57:14But I let people do that shit, bro. I don't do that shit. Definitely. Does it change the whole feel, though, of making music? Does it feel like there's something that's kind of drawing you back in a direction where, I don't know, where you want to speak on these tough things you've been through, but then at the same time, I feel like a lot of rappers don't want to make their music that depressing? I don't censor myself when it comes to making music. I mean, if you ever do and go down that devoured rabbit hole, you'll see. I'm heavy with this shit, bro. One thing I will say is I'm very versatile.

57:52I listen to a bunch of it. I just feel like when I'm listening to the top songs on Apple that I'm not probably seeing what you're like now versus back then. It's because I'm from LA, bro. So what's consumed out here is just shoot them up bullshit, bro. you know like but once i make it out that little bubble and i could see it happening bro you know like that'll get highlighted more but i don't shy away from it at all like shit i just i make music like i'm i make music bro and what navigates my music is the shit that i'm going through bro you know so i don't feel too shit do you uh what do you think like what are your thoughts on like the LA rap scene as a whole is it inspiring or is it depressing that's weak straight up bro everybody doing the same shit like if I had to take the majority of these rappers bro and put them all on the same beat even up to the music videos bro like and just make a fucking compilation bro it'll sound like they are it'll look and sound I say look for the video and sound for the song the audio like they was all in the lab together like there's nothing different about it shit bro you know like for example suede he sound like kodak black bro like where's the original behind that bro you know man it's crazy that he took it where he took it i'm not gonna discredit you know what he was able to do with the music shit bro you know but even when they brought him up bro like i remember uh my father said your name fool but gary at atlantic he brought me in he was like bro what you think about him and i told him i was like fool this would sound like kodak black bro you know and he had atlantic too so how that gonna work and he just started busting up and shit but but i i do i feel like suede as much as yeah he might have similarities with Kodak it's like I feel like a lot of the great rappers have that early in their career where it's like they're taking someone yeah like early on with Gunna it's like you know early on I probably wrote off Gunna like man I'm listening to a young thug a little baby I don't really give a fuck about this guy he's just like the same shit and then like as the years go by and they develop more of their own sound like that's the thing with Swayze that we I don't think we ever really got to see what he was really capable of and like how he would find more of his own identity because he still stands out to me as like he probably would have been like the biggest mexican street rapper from la if he had been able to keep it going you know you think so i mean it's it's tough to like call it because you don't really know like what would have happened but to me he had like a certain charm and like an allure that would have been insane i really look at him as like kind of like the mexican draco in a way like he could have occupied like a similar space for that crowd i feel like but yeah when it comes to draco's music what's your thought on it that's everything man that's the god the last like 10 years of la in my book you know it's just like everything kind of like emanates from him everything that isn't influenced by him is whack old school shit you know like not not everything like obviously there's like infinite horrible music that is basically just like draco tributes you know but i mean from my perspective it's like he everything like if you if you go back to 2015 2016 you look at the shit that was hot on like a la street level that shit was trash you know like not draco shit no everybody besides him like he he brought in a new flavor that made la rap seem exciting to me and there's just so many boring ass old school dudes who are like who are salty really like still to this day because they kind of got like pushed out by this new sound that they just like their shit just sounded hella dated compared to it shit i mean bro like i like i mean if it's cool with you all like put me on some music bro because i feel like i don't know if it's me up but like once i felt like i started building momentum for myself i stopped listening to everything like i wasn't listening to no type of music anymore bro so i guess i can't really like i can't really elaborate too much on like other rappers and shit because i just really don't know like if i catch like a like if someone like is bumping the sound like there's like a clip that go viral and shit like that's the only time i really like it hit my ear and shit you know but yeah shit put me on bro like not obviously not right now shit yeah but like shit with people you think that go hard as fuck as music and shit like not antics not not not not fucking going viral for some bullshit like music bro you know i think a lot of those dry in la like really like the number of artists that people are excited about or even really in rap in general like when you talk about like artists people are excited about it's like you just really find yourself scratching your head like damn like shit is like i i just like remember other eras of my hip-hop fandom in like 2006 i was on my computer downloading lil wayne and jr writer and hell relic camera like all these new york dudes linewire what was you on no i was like blogs okay so like before that it was like linewire and napster and shit like that but then like at a certain point it just became like every day and everyone i knew everyone i knew was like you know when i think about how i found out about drake it's because these different hip-hop blogs would post every new lil wayne song and one day they post a little wayne song and it's featuring drake and i i just downloaded like every other little wayne song and then i'm listening to it and i you know i'm just like who the is this guy like this guy is so much better than like everybody else that i've like heard in recent memory yeah and it's like i don't know like that that passion to just like want to hear new rap feels like a distant memory that like the culture is just like not like that anymore like if anything no like we want to we want to tear you apart we want to shit on your album sales and we want to make fun of your hair or something you know like we want to like people are more into the idea of being critics than like passionate consumers of the culture which is terrible like sometimes i'll watch a youtube video about some like some rapper's new album and they'll be talking about the sales and they'll be talking about like what people are saying on twitter about it and then at some point i realized like they haven't even listened to this album like i'm watching a 10 minute video this guy talking about the album and he didn't listen to the album like what a terrible age we live in you know yeah it's like people just be speaking up with i don't know and shit bro like i mean like that's what just makes all this shit like wild bro you know but I mean f*** it like one thing I just feel like people can't get in the way of destiny bro you know so some shit that's it for you I mean of course like running into the right machines and power that I'm talking about music like that could get you to like a broader audience like maybe straight bro you know like but I do miss that shit too I do miss like running into like new vibes bro like when Roddy Ricch came out like oh Roddy Ricch for sure one of my top and when you go back to that era of 2018 2019 whatever like but like honestly nipsey and draco and and you know various other rappers are kind of lost during that age bro it's like in some weird way that like symbolized hip-hop in la against so much less exciting like if you listen if you look at the list of like the top la rap songs that came out in 2018 it is just like whoa that is just 10 bangers like huge hits and if you do the same thing right now we got phoenix flexing making an ai song bro like what's your what's your thoughts on all that ai shit bro like i mean i was really excited about that song at first and then i ended up feeling kind of burned once i realized what the creative process was like you know yeah bro i said how phoenix though what's up no but like listen how cringe i am is i i sent that link when it was still just an instagram reel i sent it to drake and i was like you sent it to drake i'm like bro this shit is so hard.

1:05:25You f*** with Drizzy? Yeah, let me talk a little bit. But like, I sent it to him and I'm thinking like, he's gonna be hyped on it. And he didn't respond. And when I think about it, I'm like, you know, he knows a lot more about music than me. He probably like f***ed around with the AI shit a little bit. He probably knows what it sounds like. Look at what Drake said, bro. Like, look at Drake's such a goat, bro. Where it's like, damn, like, do you think everybody gonna start easing up on all that AI shit? Like, do you like, because you know, you got like, staples that are from the city, bro, saying like, f*** it, like, might as well embrace and utilize this shit.

1:05:53or be left behind type shit bro you know like i mean the weird thing about dre is like how many songs has dre put out over the last 10 15 years like barely any like if he's making ai songs he's he's keeping them on the hard drive like everything else he puts like he just he don't put music on so it's like we need detox bro what's up with that shit straight up well i think he didn't put out that that compton album and then yeah that was like a lot of what was supposed to be on detox i think i think it was you haven't heard i've been so tapped out on music you haven't heard a word about detox in 10 years i think that's that's never happening but i'm up but but no i mean we all were like hanging on for it for a long time but i mean yeah like the like i feel like we're at this point right now where like i remember when auto tune came out and like so many of us our reaction was just like yo like this is terrible like what the is wrong with these people like we do not want to hear this shit no way huh he was getting them knives in his back yeah but but Wayne is kind of like more like oh okay maybe this is dope like by the time Future comes around by the time like Jay-Z disses autotune in front of T-Pain and the T-Pain keeps going with it and has big f***ing hits with it and stuff that's when it's like oh shit this shit is gonna last like they found ways to like use autotune in a way that was cool and then like when you think about the AI shit now I think two years from now we look back at right now and we're like holy f*** that's so funny that that's what we thought the ai music was going to be like because people are going to just find ways to like make better music using it and less cringe shit and it's going to get to the point where like but i do feel like there's just such a big part of the population that is just like no i don't want to listen to ai music i'm disgusted by it and like there's just going to be like an older generation that doesn't want to adapt to it and then there's going to be a younger generation because i i've heard about play recording and kind of west doing it but like in ways that you kind of can't tell and i feel like that's different because the phoenix flexor song is just you know i feel like i can more yeah i feel so stupid that i didn't get it right away i've known this guy for 10 years yeah you know phoenix for 10 years i've known him forever and i'm listening to this fucking fake ass voice thinking like damn he's gonna be mad at you bro yeah man hey shout out phoenix bro shout out phoenix now but he through that song i end up going back and like listening to his catalog more and being like man he's a great rapper like we should not yeah we should not have taken him for granted for all these years like he's fire yeah he get off bro oh phoenix phoenix he be popping his shit bro he get off yeah i just wonder like will he have another big ai song or is that kind of done i mean it's a i mean back to the whole like topic of like you don't even know what people are doing nowadays bro you know it's like i mean at this point shit if it's working for you it's getting it's getting you that bread bro shit right that way right that way to the wave slimmed down bro and just go back to default like yeah because you can always bounce back on your foundation that's one thing he does have bro he has his foundation bro you know so to go and explore and milk that shit like the crazy thing about it though is it's like i probably won't do ai yeah i probably get some like you should around with it in the studio but then you should just like absolutely not put it out unless you just are convinced like this is the song like like somehow i just found the best fucking song ever but realistically that might not happen you know it's like you might make 10 songs and you're like this is weird like i'm not doing this i'm gonna keep a g with you too though bro like i don't like even like with the whole chat shit like bro like the police was on my phones and all that shit so tough that i just feel i don't know if you ever had your house raided bro but like no when someone go you know when that happens you feel violated you feel like like is our cameras in here they bug my like you know like so for me to know and see that you know like they was going through my opening messages and like i just let go of my phone bro like that's one thing i'll be up on like you know like she could tell you too bro like i just i wish i was better at my phone bro you know but yeah because when you got locked up being on your phone posting on five different social media networks was not that much of a thing and now all of a sudden in 2026 is like the whole thing yeah phones is everything now bro straight up like so i said that to say like i haven't like really like chat or like none of that shit bro like people be telling me like it may go drop easier and shit but i mean eventually if i feel like i find it appealing and interesting i'll with it but up until now i have no knowledge on that shit bro i don't even know how to get started straight up keep it real with you i mean like honestly with chat like the primary way i use it is just like if i want to know something like things that i would have googled but like chad just makes it easier because i don't have to like click through to like a link to like read some blog to find out like what year this president died or some shit like some random thing that i like want to know or whatever you know um but then you can take it further too because it's like even the therapy thing that we were talking about i mean i actually i've read an article about this the other day there's so many people using ai for therapy and it's probably pretty good therapies that's not even therapists but it's just if i go on if i go to chat gbt right now and say hey i'm down life is hard i'll give it the whole sob story it's like it's gonna basically give you some advice that is realistically probably like 99 the same as what an actual real therapist would say you know it's accurate like that it's not always accurate but it's like for for question like at times there will be situations in your life that are way too complicated that like you probably wouldn't want to ask the ai but i do feel like the ai is able to like you know a lot of the things that you might be dealing with in life are things that are millions of other people have have dealt with and they write about these things in forums and they write about it on blogs and it's online and the ai just takes all that information and just is able to like process it you know so it is kind of like the most amazing technology in the world but then also it can kind of ruin life i think for a lot of people my head bro so how does that shit work like is it like people behind like computers like just like oh how the fuck that shit work no people well there's people like doing work on the back end to like you know like sometimes the ai will like want to go in a direction that it needs to be pushed in you know like if you go to the ai and ask it like like there's been times where different ais like you you would just start to say like hey i'm hitler like i want to exterminate half of society or whatever and then people have to go into the ai and basically be like hey be be less like hitler like if they ask you this like don't say you're hitler you know like to basically like make it behave better because sometimes it'll just wow out but i can say that even in the last couple years it's just gotten so much better because they've worked out so many of the kinks you know that's wild bro only i know about ai is that damn they making these ssds go up bro i used to get the little t9s of samson's because i mean oh i heard about that that was way more expensive now yeah i'm like what the like i was snatching these shits there for like oh honey now they're like a band bro i'm like god damn i'm about to start flocking and pushing some ssds bro straight up because that shit is like yeah but i mean i don't know shit about ai bro straight up that's a good thing to get familiar with but at the same time i feel like the the divide in society as the years go by is going to be like you have like the average person who's on their phone all the time and they use ai for everything whatever and then you're going to have like a whole different sect of society that's like the i feel like if you walk to a party and everybody's on their phone and then there's like a couple people that aren't on their phone, like chances are those are like the coolest people in the room.

1:13:32Those are the people that are like most equipped. Sometimes when I'm like around young people and I'm just talking like freely, just talking about whatever, sometimes I feel like I have this like superpower that I developed because I was around before everybody was just on their phone 24-7. That's crazy. You know? Hey, hold on. How many motherfuckers have sweat on his chair, bro? I'm finna throw my shirt back. Usually people have their shirt on, but oh for real so i'm good damn shit yo about okay i want to ask you this question because when laura my publicist uh publicist she she asked me she goes do you want to interview devour and i can look into it for a second i'm like oh yeah i know this guy is let's let's do it and she's like well i think lush lush wanted to do it or lush would have done it but he's in rehab or whatever and i'm like okay that's cool and then before i come in here today one of my guys sends me a clip of Lush fucking dissing you on a podcast and his specific claim was he goes that fool been from three different hoods since I've been a fan of him like he a hood hopper he a turf hopper and I'm like damn bro like Lush like I tell his fucking broke ass I'll pay him 10 bands bro if he could find a neighborhood that said I got put on and put off really he said it like it was gospel like it was just like written in stone and I'm just not knowing anything and I'm just like damn bro He feel a hell of a song about this.

1:14:54Yeah, I never did nothing to do, bro, you know? But, I mean, shout out to him, bro, you know? Like, if he really feels the type of way, I'll see him sooner or later. And you can just address it, bro, you know? No, you got to f*** him up, yeah. Bro, I don't want to almighty him. Like, bro, s***. I'd be a bully at that point, bro, you know? Like, I'll beat the s*** out of Lush, bro. Yeah, yeah, you would. But, I mean, I just, I'm not in that space, bro. Not a lot of girls that would beat him up, yeah. I mean, his girl used to beat him up. Yeah, yeah. I love the guy but I just don't sometimes I don't understand the things that he does but when I said that I'm like damn you feel strongly about this like that's a weird thing to feel so strongly about if you don't really know like you don't know me bro at all like I don't know what the f*** you talking about he probably I don't know bro he probably just smoked out smoked out straight up hey bro you don't argue with crackheads bro that's one thing you don't do because people from a distance will think you're a crackhead it lowers your standard bro you know I'm gonna get on his ass about that I gotta figure out where he's getting his information from and when you find out let me know bro I'll give you the drop on him you can just run down on him he at MacArthur Park right I don't know like post detox will he still be at MacArthur Park we don't really know it's not the best place to get sober I don't think that's cool I don't give a f*** yeah so all right where's your head at right now in terms like music and and what you feel like you really need to do to get your crack in the way you want it to be just stay consistent bro like just find a liking to be on my phone more you know like and just just keep dropping music bro you know i see the i see the momentum building again it feels it feels cool bro you know like but i think just building my team you know like like i said she's so vital to the team bro you You know, like, and just, I don't know, bro, like, finding that machine that, you know, is really going to push you, bro, you know, like, and once I get there, I know it's going to happen, bro.

1:16:54Like, I look at Nip, you know, like, I feel like Nip was, if Nip was still here, bro, I feel like maybe another project after Victory Lap, if not won two, he would have been a modern day Tupac, bro, straight up. I don't give a fuck what he says. No, it was starting to come together when he passed, for sure. When he passed, bro, you know, so good things, I mean, well, great things take time, bro, you know, and I mean, I'm just keep right, you know, tunnel vision to this shit. Like, yeah, like to answer your shit, just building the team, bro, you know. Like, I don't want to sign right now. Like, but, I mean, if it's going to be beneficial and they understand the game plan and they're going to take that shit to a whole other level because, I mean, we've seen that they can do that.

1:17:32Yeah. I mean, they fucking run the show. Then we're going to run that shit, bro, you know. But until then, just stay busy, stay low, and stay focused, bro. Straight up. Yeah. Anybody you, like, want to work with that you haven't worked with yet? anybody that stands out you seem like you don't really pay that much attention to the hot new rappers and shit huh I have bro like I said I've been so tapped out like I don't know who doing what bro you know and like it's crazy cause a lot of these rappers like they could be booming but on the street they some they just some boys bro like they ain't really like that you know so if I can't jump in your car and bump your music I just don't like bro like I don't see a point into me getting on a song with you right now bro you know like maybe I could get in the studio with you and change the narrative and do a song because I know I make bangers bro you know like but I mean I don't know it's just a lot of f***ery going on bro and people hide behind these microphones and shit and I mean I don't know but off the top of my head bro I would love to get some shit in with Roddy Ricch bro I would love to get like some shit in with Lil Baby bro you know I would love to get some shit in with um who else like who else would be dope f***ing I mean shit that's probably that's probably it for now straight up for sure you wifed up?

1:18:49yes sir how's that going? great that's probably good right? long term situation or newer one? nah that's my that's baby right there bro I'm talking about never missed a visit none of that shit I'm going on 17 years with her bro 17 old shit I mean I wasn't I wasn't perfect bro you know but she's still stood by my side bro you know man that's something that you can't pay for or replace bro and like i tell it i'm like damn baby like i know i know you were meant for me i just hope i was meant for you you feel me because like you said she could get rocky but the problem in the relationship was always me bro you know but yeah i mean going through what i went through and shit it really just makes you think about what's important in life bro you know like i don't get me wrong i still got the homegirls and shit bitches be there bro you know but they be in the videos like all that shit like yeah it's really up to me to show her that she stands in that position and nobody else bro you know that's real shit yes sir um all right what's your message to the people out there in terms of like what you want them to go listen to or follow you on like whatever services social media wise you use the most whatever you want to tell them man just type in devour anywhere bro you know and to the people that been rocking with me i just want to let y 'all know that if it wasn't for you guys i wouldn't be here today bro you know and I got a project on the way finally you know like it's called Prevail.

1:20:07I was down I was about to leak the date but I'm not sure if I should do that so I'll probably just keep that but this fall I'll say this fall it's gonna drop and it's time to play ball bro correct you know and I'm excited for this shit I feel like I got my light back bro you know straight up and I ain't slowing down for shit you know straight up bro. No I'm excited to see all that yeah. Yes sir. What's up with you though bro like what's your plans like I know you've been pushing this shit for a while and shit like what you got in the works like what's up with adam man they don't even know they don't know sooner or later but yeah i got some shit in the works man that's tight bro it's changing up by the day you know in a good way or bad way shit i don't know i'm way worse so whatever happens happens what that mean what that mean let the people know bro you talking about let the people don't let the people know bro shit man i don't know i might just have to let the demon out on him a little bit more you know run that yeah i got a question for you bro what's up with the stigma or like this little like vibe y 'all got over here talking about this this this cop this cop central it's the feds over here like like how you feel about that oh you know i feel like we've had you know like certain interview questions you know even like with the conversation we had people are going to be people who aren't paying very close attention are going to say you're trying to get him locked up without realizing that we're talking about shit that you already did time for you know and then like we have had like flaco used to work here and flaco is i don't know if you know him he's a youtuber and he basically like has a youtube channel where he tries to like solve unsolved murders in the the hip-hop scene you know he's like hard at work on solving draco's murder right now somebody got killed a marathon burger in long beach he's hard to work on basically like he law enforcement yeah damn near like you know he's he's trying to like call out who's going to get indicted for this marathon burger shooting before it happens and to be fair i mean he got a hell of video footage so i mean it ain't like he's just like making shit up you know he's he really believes what he's saying or whatever but he he he like gang affiliated nah he's from like uh well he's from africa and then he moved to north dakota when he was like a little kid and he lived out here for a little while but now he lives in north dakota again i think and he's just basically like just oh so he's just like a regular person like a law-fired citizen just a fat african guy yeah no that's crazy bro that's wow no he's great but i mean obviously a lot of people feel a certain way about in trying to solve all that shit and like i don't know i mean i feel like it's kind of hard to be like oh y 'all are like the police at a certain point when it's like bro like every fucking like what what is academics doing what is vlad doing what is trouble like all these people are doing the same shit like it's not i don't know i i've never had my interviews used in a in a courtroom I've never had my interviews used to lock somebody out, but I know people who are not the people who are under fire.

1:22:50That has that happen all the time. The police be running down on you on behalf of other people and shit? No. They came here a couple weeks ago trying to talk to me about the Draco murder, but I wasn't there, and they never came back. Stan, that's crazy. But I also have nothing. What am I going to tell them? I wasn't there. That's all you got to tell you. Yeah, the information I have is the same exact information that y 'all seen online. So I watched the same videos as you. I watch the same 1090 Jake video as you. Besides that, I don't get shit. So, like, damn, bro, like, if there's a Mount Rushmore for all this, like, because I'm tapping into all this podcast shit, two interviews and all that, like, who are some other good people to go pull up on, bro?

1:23:28For interviews? Just, like, yeah, like, just try to, like, build with it. Like, not necessarily go and be homies with them, but just, like, I'll put up on you, bro, you know? You should do Vlad. I'll go holler at Vlad for you. I bet he might be down. Yeah, I heard of Vlad for sure. Yeah, he's, like, got kind of, like, a different audience than us. is more a little more professional or older audience i think but that's probably like the main in la i want to just go in general like bro i got back from miami i've been moving around bro like i ain't never went nowhere but last year i hit like 12 13 states if i was her i'll probably say like dude vlad vlad don't do all the rinky dink ass little la podcast realistically it just ain't really doing anything for you it's kind of a waste of time and yeah and besides that just like anything that like could expand your audience you know but as far as hip-hop it's like if you do no jumper or vlad then like you've kind of like there's all these like cool new york podcasts and stuff but i also feel like you probably like might take some time before like they would understand you know yeah like a california rapper like the standard for like new york dudes wanting to interview them is like way higher because they don't know what the f*** is going on out here you know yeah but yeah talking about new york bro what's the i got another question for you like yeah who's some artists you feel like have broke past la and made it to new york like on some like west coast shit or just in general shit is so regional now that it's like it's tough you know it's like who the is able to like emerge from their bubble even when we talk about draco draco is so huge in la draco is a motherfucking mystery to new york besides like the real hardcore fans who are gonna go figure it out or whatever it don't sound like the sound of their city and they just are not like on average like you know but once in a while like i'll be real ebk jbo i'm i'm in chicago doing an interview with q50 him and his boys are like so you know jbo like they want to know about jbo like jbo managed to cross over he might have to go sit down for better part of a decade which sucks but no he busted yeah they got him in alabama with hell of guns and drugs and shit uh so he's i don't know i mean the last time i talked to him he sounded like he was pretty optimistic about it but like it's like it's just it's tough to make like other regions care about you you know that's like the highest challenge i feel like but you think it's like that from like coming from everywhere it's just like when you come from la getting out of la i feel like la has like a unique problem where like la street shit gang culture etc is like so important to la it's like hard for most la rappers like think about making music that doesn't kind of revolve around that and then like to the rest of the world it's kind of like we don't care like we don't really want to hear about what's going on in your neighborhood or whatever but in general they want to hear about crazy shit but like i don't know because that's the weird thing is it's like why is like the bdgd chicago gang dynamic like why is that really interesting to the average person but then like so they mean hockey shit down over there yeah but but then it doesn't feel like people are like dying to hear like hoover versus rolling 60s music you know like that just doesn't seem as like sexy to i've never heard a chicago person being like oh you gotta like i want to know more about like la gang beefs like no they feel like they get it they seen colors and menace to society and they feel like they got it you know that's wild bro that's crazy yeah so like back to these rappers bro like who you think some rappers i should tap in with or like that would be a cool like like you should run some shit up with this dude or like this dude and shit that's a good question I don't fucking know man this shit dries up who do you bump bro like what's on your playlist like Poo Shiesty is like my primary rapper I would say at this moment Poo?

1:27:04and he busts it too huh you think he gonna beat that shit? I mean I would love it if he did but I don't really he better have an ace up his sleeve I've been listening to old Gucci let me down but you know i tried listening to the new future didn't care why you say he let you down he's telling oh he told on poo yeah that's no not good i'm not listening to geese you should you should collab with geese who's geese just this weird rock band from new york i'll run that straight up you know about geese hell no you don't know about geese all right cool Let me write this shit down, bro. Geese. Let me see.

1:27:43They're hard, yeah. Let me see. Geese. Yeah, you got to fuck with geese, man. How do you spell that shit? G-E-E-S-E. G-E-E-S-E. You say it's a rock band? Do some fucking Beatles type shit. Fuck it, bro. Some new wave. There you go. Who else? There got to be some other people you bump, bro. I'm just saying it's dry right now. But I listen to Jet Beasy out here. Jet Beasy. Let me see. B-K-E-E-Z-Y. B-K-E-E-Z-Y yeah he's a killer every song is about killing people I don't know like really but you know every song he's like telling you he got body stuff you know I feel like he's probably telling the truth nah he lying I still listen to Real Young OG sometimes you know there's a dude named Hardnard from Atlanta that I like I've been listening to like his shit but yeah it's pretty dry you talking about bodies bodies yeah basically saying like that type of body that's your work dear god this is getting demonic um yeah yeah that kind yeah but he said that's your work yeah that's kind of distracting no but he like many of his songs the basic message is like if you ain't got a body you're a fucking loser which is this seems very destructive for the society what's his artist name Jet Beasy Jet Beasy Yeah He's from LA Yeah Okay okay What part Oh he's from East Coast Crip Right there you go Okay okay Shit Probably make some shit happen bro Tap in He going up Like he got numbers and shit Yeah he be going up That's tight bro For sure Damn so nobody else Nobody else get that Adam play What's up with Drake Hey what's up with Drake and Kendrick Who side you on Nah Kendrick Why You're gonna be with him Yeah No That's a fucking PG Langer right there, man.

1:29:39He hates it. He said, I'm up out of here. He came to do security for me one day. He had a PG Lang hat on. I'm like, what the f*** is this? Nah. Nah, it's cool. It's cool, man. You gotta support Kendrick getting his bread, but you ain't gonna wear that hat around me. We're gonna pack you out. Miles. Hey. I'm trying to go, what? Okay, I see you. That's crazy. Alright, alright. Yo, I gotta dip, buddy. It was great talking to you, man. Appreciate it. We're gonna f*** Lush up. Lush Pack in the air Lush K, Nick K He in rehab, shout out to me for being in rehab Bro, you feel me? But I mean, it's whatever You want to sign the wall?

1:30:17Oh yeah, look I got something for you bro Let me hit this shit Let me see, let me just run this shit up bro You can do whatever you want with it I'm gonna leave this shit here for you bro I'm over here

1:30:35yes sir fire there we go we're gonna put it up here yes sir somewhere we're gonna make it happen hey Devour no jumper coolest podcast in the world appreciate you dog yes sir likewise bro like comment subscribe go check my man's music out on all streaming services yes sir and we'll be back real real soon appreciate you y 'all yes sir