Digi Prada on Falling Out with Rooga, FBG Duck, Getting Kidnapped by the GDs & More

31:24I was like, whoa, no. That's what it looked like doing that. I was babysitting. I was babysitting. Damn. I felt like I was babysitting. I don't know. I felt like, yeah, you know, you see how I feel. I'm just frustrated, bro. Yeah, you frustrated, but it seemed like it's love there, but it's like also - It's love for sure. It's just - All right, so - It's love for sure. He said that you doing all this, so why come out and say all this now? Because he said - Because I don't want to be a part of that. I don't want to be, I don't want nothing to do with JHE, the whole GD, anything. I'm from 63rd, nothing.

31:59I don't want nothing to do with that. All right, let's talk, but he said, He basically saying that you cloud chasing a little bit because he said like I ain't had no. He said I fell out like two years ago. So you this is all random. If anything, I learned this from him. Like he the king of the Internet when it comes to. And every time he says I don't do the Internet. Like he texts. I could show the text. I could literally show the text. He like, I don't even do this Internet. And then five minutes later, that's when he made all those posts of him tagging me. And like, oh, your beats are weak and all this.

32:25I was like, bro, you just texted me saying like he was like, you want a reaction. I'm not going to give you a reaction. gives me a reaction. Like, he's the king of the internet when it comes to this. You don't know how to not reply. He's always going to reply. Study and play. Come together on a Windows 11 PC. And for a limited time, college students get the best of both worlds. Get the Unreal College Deal. Everything you need to study and play with select Windows 11 PCs. Eligible students get a year of Microsoft 365 Premium and a year of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate with a custom color Xbox wireless controller.

33:01Learn more at windows.com slash student offer. While supplies last, ends June 30th. Terms at aka.ms slash college PC. Like, with the whole... I feel like Ruger be chilling a little bit compared to a lot of the other that be doing the internet shit. I don't be really seeing... He's a lot more... He is a duck dive. You don't see him. You don't see Ruger really be chasing it. That's why I'm confused with y 'all because, like, Ruger don't be chasing it like that and you never... I don't really see him. I never came to the internet with, like... With none of this type shit. With none of this stuff because I just didn't like, I don't know, I felt like people would see me not work with him and then just be like, okay, he good to go.

33:35But nah, this is like stamped. So this is you basically just like putting it out there that you don't fuck with him no more. It's love. I just don't want nothing to do with them. Like they showed me what would happen if we went to the top again. Like you got brought into like one of the biggest artists in America hands damn near. Yeah. And like I seen what, so like who can get, Who can you link with that's bigger than that? That's going to put me in a position. Like, I just don't trust you in that situation again. I can't. I want nothing to do with it. Like, you show, everybody over there showed me.

34:07Like, I'm the one who got Debo started rapping. I'm the one who was recording all that. Fat A, I'm the reason why J.H.C. Damn near all of them were rapping because I kept telling them every day, you guys are just sitting here. You guys need to start rapping. Like, you guys got to start doing something. And that's when they started rapping. And then it's like, even with Lil Mo, Lil Mo's first songs were with me. like we were recording him at the house at his house yeah but like they would send lomo in an uber to my house and just record and just record and record and we just make songs like to get him started you know it's so confusing to me how some of those dudes could be lazy because it's like bro if you're in this position like you better rap like you you gotta rap like you're you're fighting to save your life like you're gonna die homeless in the streets because it's Honestly, for some of the people that we're talking about, it's not far off.

34:55Without rapping, what the fuck are you going to do? You better be rapping every time you get five minutes in the studio or you better put down a couple bars. I feel like they get content with city clout. Yeah, for sure. I think that's what does a lot of people. They're content with city clout. Once they have that juice in the city, it's like, okay, I can chill back kind of like. But no, I'm trying to get to that next level. I'm trying to get. I mean, me personally, I'm not in front of Ye and them. I'm trying to get to there, though. And if you can help me, then I can help you. So it sounds like you're a little salty when he introduced you to the yay a little bit, too, though.

35:27Nah, that's the thing. Did you have that text? Like, hey, did you even hit him up on some shit like that? No, because I like to see how people move and just move off that. So I saw, like, I didn't get no call or nothing, which is cool. You know, it's cool. I'm not tripping. Like, I feel like I'm still going to get to where I need to get no matter what. I just need all that set aside because my mind is so, like, one foot in and one foot out. But it's like I really should have just took both feet out and just kept going like in another lane. Like with that Thunky Man, I really should have just went up, just turned up with that.

35:57But I was so worried about looking bad on Ruga's side because I was so locked in. I was like, I don't want to reflect this and be like, oh, Thunky Man is Ruga's producer. You feel me? And he kept saying that that's my producer. He really came on here and said, I'm his producer. And what's crazy is Jay Main, I think right before he did your interview, he literally was like, I linked up with Ruga. and you said you don't f*** with Digi. And I remember ignoring that when I seen it on YouTube. I ignored it. I was like, nah, you wouldn't say that. Now I'm looking at it like, no, definitely said that.

36:28Because, yeah, the J-Main content or the beats that you did for him, like when did that come around? Like early on when you were still poor? That was right after Blickathon. Right. So I'd say like 19, 20. That was just a little side quest doing a bunch of beats for him? He had hit me up. He had hit me up was like, or no, he remixed Blickathon. And that's when I was like, what's up, bro? just tapping with me for the beat. I'll send you some more. He was like, all right, bet. I said, okay, well, we're going to go 50-50. That's cool. He said, yeah. So then I got the DMs. I'll even show them right here.

36:57This is J-Main. For everybody, I want to see this. Because everybody keeps saying I'm bogus and this and that. It's funny, though, because you're like. He agreed to 50-50. You're one producer who's actually willing to stand up for themselves. Obviously, the artists are going to paint you as being an insufferable brat that was just asking for it too much. I just seen him complaining about someone stealing his money or something like that the other day or something. I was like, what? Oh, J-Main? He was talking about the IRS, I think. That he owed hella taxes and he had to get rid of his chain, I guess.

37:29How do I show DMs on here? We'll put it up there. You can just show us. You can screenshot and send it to us, yeah. I can just send it to the other. You want to show us, I guess. Yeah, go through. You can start from the top. You can start from it or whatever. All right, hold on. That's 2019 January June 19, 2019 What year was it? 2019 Oh yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah I took down like 20 million views Just cause I don't That's the thing A lot of producers live for that Like that's They live for a million views Like that's what they're gonna get their whole life Like I feel like I just took a bunch of like People's lifetime views down Cause it's like If I'm not getting paid for What the fuck Alright so yeah Let's break that down So look All right.

38:13You said you took down 20 million views, but you got a 50 % split. On Ruger's music. Not J-Maine. I didn't get anything on J-Maine. So what you and J-Maine had organized? I just showed you. We just agreed on 50-50. He said, oh, cool. And then what? You started sending him a whole bunch of beats and then. We dropped like 16 songs. We did the, I think it was called Tuka's Revenge 2 or something like that. Tuka's Revenge. Did that album. We did a bunch of solos. Yeah. But a lot of the solos had like millions of views on YouTube and streaming platforms. Like it wasn't just like. And are you just sending him beats or you and J-Man locked in?

38:51Like you pulling up on him? He pulling up on me. Yeah, he pulling up at my crib. Like I was sending beats. Don't get me wrong. Like he'd go to the studio, do his thing. But there was times where, yeah, he would pull up to my crib and we'd like, we'd just kick it. That's why it's like, I thought we was friends, bro. Like he done tricked me too. So you get. I thought we was friends. So you get 50 % on like most of Ruga's bigger songs. Every song. How much is that? 50%. Yeah. It's 50%. Yeah, but like how much? Because if you tell us how much you make, then we know how much he makes. I mean, Ruga right now has 85 ,000 monthly listeners on Spotify, which is modest, I would say.

39:29Yeah, that's just not even like dropping. That's what's crazy. That's just natural. We ain't even drop recently. That's the thing is these Chicago artists have their own natural, like, real fan base. They don't need other fan bases to get put on. That's why I feel like so many Chicago artists can get put on because their own city will put them on. Yeah. And they'll follow them for the rest of their life because all Chicago knows is Chicago. They don't want to know Cali. They don't want to know that. They feel like it's weird when they come out here because they don't talk the same lingo. They don't move the same.

39:58They don't, you know. And I said, I get it. Before Bezu even passed, his interview clips, He had a lot of interview clips that had a million views on YouTube from clips, which is pretty crazy when you consider that. I mean, especially before he passed. He's not a famous rapper. He's not a super legendary dude in the same way. But from a Chicago perspective, people were fascinated by this dude. You would go to someone on the West Coast, ask who that is, the Blackhawk. It's a whole different world over there, I feel like. Really. So how do you feel about the situation now, though, like moving forward?

40:39I want nothing to do with it. I want nothing to do with it. No GDs at all? You done with all the GDs? I'm just done with the Chicago, just all the Chicago shit. I feel like because I got GD homies in Portland, it's all love. They even called me and it was like, no one's going to touch you. Because people were offended. Yeah, for sure. There was hella internet trolls. Because you said that Larry Hoover wanted to prove what. Right, but I feel like if you're a big GD and you go on your phone and you get offended by a white boy talking some shit on his story, I feel like you just, I don't know. I don't think they really looking at that, bro.

41:21I feel like it's all the internet trolls that are talking, just people who fake it to make it type shit. Because I've kind of thought this a lot of times over the years, that it you know i don't take a side or anything but when you look at like a lot of the gd stuff that's gone on in chicago in terms of the the rappers famous rappers and the in the them not being able to stay cool and the label falling apart right away and like all that and then meanwhile you kind of look at the bd side of things there's a lot of lore that we want to know about the bd side of things that we don't really know and there's youtubers trying to put pieces together and stuff but like you you still can't get them to talk about what happened when they robbed sosa's house you know you you could interview uh uh any of those dudes like they're just it seems like they do a better job of kind of keeping their business internal and not talking about i feel like that's where the other side kind of went wrong was when they all started doing all these podcasts and doing all these interviews and like yeah because like they're just i don't know like even say cheese he's messy bro they did that real good say cheese interview at my house, at my apartment, and he asked a question that was like, it made us end the whole interview.

42:30He asked him, because Doug's funeral, on Aldouski's funeral got shot up. So, he had asked him if Doug's funeral was going to be at the same spot. And it was just like, it was just like, what, bro? Why even ask that? And what, Ruga tweaked out and just ended the interview? I think, yeah, we were just like, yeah, it just made things weird. Bro, but then Sean Conn, Sean Conn don't want the bad look, so he cut that part out probably. Oh, for sure. And then meanwhile, me, I got Ruga throwing poop at me and being mad as fuck. I just left it in and run it. But, yo, that's funny. He had two different interviews because he got offended by what the interviewer was asking.

43:07Kind of tells you that maybe the interviewers weren't necessarily the problem. But how did you feel about that situation when he turned up on us? Me specifically? Honestly, I think I was away from him already. So I was just like looking at it like it didn't surprise me. I think it was right after that, honestly. I was just like, it didn't surprise me. And I knew what went down because I know them so well. I knew how this played out. I felt like, because you guys, I feel like you guys had tension at the time. So I feel like he might have went in here like, oh, that's squash. Like, it's out the way.

43:42And then knew he was going to act up on you. Yeah. And acted up on you. That is what happened. It's kind of like that. Me, whom? Because I wasn't planning on having my interview. It was supposed to be an interview with the other JT guys. That's what he did. but he, yes. And then I had to talk with him for like a whole 30 minutes. Like, yo, if you're going to come, it's going to be good and valid. And he gave me his word. And I think, and to be fair, I think he was going to be cool. I think Adam was just saying that was triggering him. So he was just like, then I'm going to turn up. I don't know if he came with intention to do that, but that's just how it went.

44:12I mean, honestly, though, like if you watch it, the energy that he was given for the first 20 minutes or whatever it was, it was kind of, it was definitely like not the friendliest energy, But he was kind of talking normal at certain parts, but then there was other parts where it was like, oh, man, this guy's mad as fuck. He just don't want to say it. Like when they're dry, you just know that they don't want to be here. Yeah. But then a lot of people were hating because the other dudes stuck around afterwards. They thought that that was disloyal to finish out the interview, which I kind of understood it from my perspective because it's like this was their interview.

44:46But then when your CEO or the leader gets booted out of there by security and, like, you stick around. Like, I could see how people would look at that a certain way. I could see that, too. I appreciated it, but. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah, no, I think Ruga, because Ruga knew it was their interview. I think him sitting down next to them made it bigger for them or whatever. Yeah. And, like, he didn't want to just step on their toes in the room what they got going on about just making everybody lead type shit. Yeah, no. It looked funny in the comments, because I seen people saying, like, yo, why the f***ing fan lead?

45:14No, yeah. But, damn, bro, I just be, sorry. In your words, break down J-Main's story, because I heard you say. that's what I'm saying besides all this like that's what we got going on we got the Thunky Man situation going on so how did how did the birth of Thunky Man even start break it down one more time for the people who don't know shit I had to get man I gave birth to my son cause J-Man J-Man said he created that's really my son J-Man said he created no jumper and add on the remote and you said on your story that you created J-Man because he basically was the reason why J-Man went homeless and J-Man going homeless was like really what got my attention and it made me be like, let's interview him.

45:52And, I mean, he already was doing his thing before that, but that did kind of take him to a next level. I think that was his biggest interview. All right, so break down the lore from your eyes, from what you've seen. Shit, from what I've seen, I took his shit down. It happened to be on Dirk's birthday. I don't know how that – I don't know, just the luck of time. Took it down on Dirk's birthday. I remember him putting, like, dreads in his hair or something or, like, putting hair in his head, and he, like, dyed the tips blonde or something, like Mimic or something like that. And then he did the homeless.

46:24He did the homeless thing, which like I'm not knocking none of this because like he done turned up with this. In all my old interviews, I said, J-Man, I hope you learn from this and just do better. And it looked like he did good, you feel me? But anyways, he did the homeless narrative. And then after that, it was you guys, I want to say. It was you guys, right? Yeah. I remember watching his videos because of the homeless. and that was what really made me start watching the older stuff some lore between that that's how me and you even got in tune it's because this one i think i just started working at no jumper and i'm doing the social media shit more at the time and uh i made the post saying dirt got jay main's channel deleted now he's homeless that's when i reached out you reached out to me and was like no that's not the real story he ain't paying me for this money and shit but i just ran with the homeless with Dirk for a little bit and it kind of turned him up.

47:15He did the interviews or whatever and then from there it just turned to where the group. But that's how you reached out to me and saying that, hey, he owe you money. So how long were you reaching out to him to get that money? I was reaching out for like, I'll say like... You have one new message. Translating. Disney and Pixar's Hoppers is now available on Disney+. You could say that again. Critics are calling it Pixar's funniest movie ever and a wildly entertaining ride. Blizzard Potato. It's certified fresh and verified hot. Now we party. This is incredible! Wow! I am clear in the rest of the day.

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48:35Who knows? Who knows? I was added to one song. Now that one song, I want to say made like$1 ,500 to like$200 in like, I want to say a month. It was something like good because the song did millions of views. It was with Billionaire Black. It was called BDK Anthem. You want to be? But anyway, yeah, yeah. Anyways, I see the check on that song. This was like after everything else was pushed out. I see the check on that. So I finally got him to agree to one song. He was like, me and Billy. He's like, Billy's on the song too. I said, nah, y 'all gonna have to split. Y 'all sh**, I need my 50. He's like, all right, whatever.

49:14Gave me it. Seen that. And I was like, at the time, I was dealing with Ruga's manager and everything. So I was learning and, you know, learning all the percentages. Yeah. And like what I was owed. And I was like, bro, like if you could add me to one song, why can't you add me to the other songs? Because it's all on the same platform, Distro Kit. So I'm like, bro, why is it that hard? And I'm starting to see now why. Because he's starting to see like. Because he's making money off it. Yeah. Half the shit. Exactly. just greed. So if you had to guess how much you think you took or he owed you at the time if you just had to put a number on it.

49:49Decent amount. Say a decent amount. More than 10?

49:56Yeah because that song was only at a million views. We had other songs at like 2-3 million views. Like multiple songs you feel me? And this is like you getting paid off not just YouTube you getting paid off everything through Distro Kid. You know you get Apple Music, Spotify, Amazon, whatever it is. So it wasn't just YouTube money. That's the thing. These artists eat the YouTube money. Producers don't get any of that. That's one thing we have to forfeit. Because whoever's channel that goes on, I don't think you could do splits on YouTube like that. I've never seen that. So all the 50 % that you eat is on the back end from Apple Music and Spotify.

50:28You're not even looking at YouTube money. No, I don't get any. No, producers don't get YouTube money. Unless you copyright your beat and then they use your beat and it's already like, what do they call it um where they uh when you track you track things throughout the internet um content id content id and actually content id your beat and then they track it to whatever it'll copyright and claim for you other than that yeah you don't see no youtube money as a producer that's interesting those splits on youtube i never even thought about that that's why they'll do like artists like ruben billy they'll do like i'll throw you one video and then you do one for my channel you do one for your channel so then it evens out because if the cameraman puts it on they're the artist channel cameraman doesn't get anything yeah so so alright what did you learn from like even like just looking at it now in hindsight do you feel like you was asking for too much or you feel like 50 are you still going around like hey I need them 50 % splits with everybody yeah unless like yeah I need 50 like independent artists I feel like we should normalize that like if you're an independent artist with no budget nothing and you need a free beat we need our 50 % unless you can come to us with a budget and be like, all right, I'm going to put this up for music video, put this up for marketing, then it's like, why am I going to give you a percentage of my percentage if you're not doing anything for my percentage?

51:44You've got to do something for my percentage. Because by you making a beat for someone or making 10 beats that get used by an artist, it's like you're basically saying, I want 50-50 if you're not giving me an upfront amount. If you give me a couple grand per beat, I'm willing to say, all right, these are yours now. but the other option is we do 50 50 and then if these songs because you're taking the risk because you could work really hard on 10 beats and make 10 dope songs and those songs never go anywhere and then you just did all that work for nothing so right now that's that's um so they could if even if they pay like three or four thousand we still get a percentage on the track we just get a super small percentage like now they'll give you like two percent three percent like i'm on a track with you know bakj i'm literally arguing with yeah 10k 10k you guys need to pay the up bro like you guys everybody i've talked to and asked about 10k bad business everybody they owe me money they owe me money like 10k christian you know what you're doing stop it whatever camera's looking at me stop it you guys made me sign this contract that i just signed and now you guys want to go ghost again like they're just bad business bro i don't like 10k but basically there's four producers or three producers three producers on the track the engineer got it placed so they're putting him on there we're all splitting it we each get 0.75 of the track so if the song does i want to say the song does what like a hundred thousand we get like 750 bucks yeah yeah like what like and they gave us like a i think it was like 2 ,000 1 ,500 advance and we all have to split that I think so like what the like what like that's 10k for you yeah projects stuff oh man yeah no that's that's rough so like all right what is the future of like doing business with artists and like what do you how do you feel like a camera I don't know if you've seen but I've been on a couple tours I've been as a cameraman I was on the real the young OG and the Amine um I don't know if you know who Amine is he's from Portland so he was like the XXL cover back in the day yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and what he's doing those shoes now with uh i think his new balance oh yeah yeah so he uh got brought onto that one now i'm trying to just shoot video because i realize if i shoot the videos and make the beat like that's double the profit honestly yeah that that is the mentality i would recommend for anybody out there is like become the video guy become the producer become the guy who can design a t-shirt become like like especially if you're in like the early stage of your career before you're like super successful because like at some point if you if you become the video guy who's on call every single day to do videos you're not going to have time to pick up additional skill sets like even right now i would love to learn how to use photoshop to make t-shirt designs or whatever it just doesn't really make sense at a certain point you know yeah no thanks but uh yo so okay what if you got hit up by some like people that are very clearly on the other side of the fence from the ruga situation and they were like because i don't think anybody would really have a reason to like set you up or try to like rob you or some like that because you've already made it clear that you're not claiming the other side so it wouldn't be a w to like do something violent to you or whatever but what if you got hit up by some like you know otf artist or whatever and they were like wanting to do a studio session would you be happy to do that even though that would be even though you would know that there's part of the reason why they wanted to fuck with you was to sort of throw shots yeah I don't know I just want to be comfortable I feel like but like there was a you guys know who PGF Nook is he is someone who was he was managing him I think it was like a year ago I don't know if he still is I was in Europe at the time and he calls me he goes Digi I'm with OTF right now I need some beats I'm thinking bro what?

55:39Like, you must not know. So I didn't say anything. I sent him some beats. He calls me back like four hours later. Bro, why didn't you tell me? He started going, why the f*** did you? He said, they were looking at me crazy. Like, he said that they were rapping to it until they heard Ruka's tag, my producer tag. They was like, turn that off. Like, he said that they basically told him he might as well, he better off being a random person from Tennessee. Like, basically saying like, because he's with them, we're not, we're not rapping. Like, if he was a random producer from Tennessee, we'd hop on this beat.

56:08But because he's so associated. So it's like, I would work with them. I don't know if I, in person, I'd have to like. Feel it out. I'd have to really get on FaceTime with someone who's like, who I know from that camp is real and keeps it real. Has good energy. And like, let them know like, all right, you're not going to get touched. We really here to work. But I don't know. They got their own, they got their own clicks. They got their own producers, you know. Like. How did you and Tate get locked in anyway? He finna saw it. 16, bro. 16 was, yeah, I think 16 was. one of his first interviews. Yeah, facts.

56:40Early on. BS16 asked him, and he did the interview, and then I was like, bro, put it together, and he put us, I think, in a group chat. And we just, I went and asked Ruga. He was like, man, you go for it. Don't leak any of this back to each other. And I was like, bet. So I went into the studio, made some songs with him. It was crazy, because I want to say there was some diss songs. And we never dropped them. I think we dropped one of them, One or two of them, we dropped Red Light 2. I don't know if you ever heard that. And then another one. I think we dropped another one, but yeah. What's the craziest this song you feel like you produced without even?

57:18Not this song, but I'd say I'm from 63rd. Just with the whole FBG, Doug, and King Von Beef. I feel like influence-wise, I feel like that song had the most. Your pants tight as hell. I remember you bringing that up. I was like, this man, funny. Like, I think you asked, who'd you ask about that? I forget. You asked somebody about that, you were like, how you feel about that? I was just like, bro, this man. That's when I knew, that's really when I knew my song was like doing something. I seen someone like y 'all bring that up. I was like, okay, this has influence. Let me ask you this. What's the scariest studio situation you had?

57:55Man, I've had situations where they'll be recording and, man, Lil Reese at this studio, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Bro, what the? What the f***? Get up out of there? Get up out of there. I'm what the f***? I've been in situations like that. I'm just like, bro, like, I don't gangbang. I don't got nothing to do with this. I'm over here like, man, I hope I pray for a little reach, bro. At that l***? Oh, you just finna go slide on this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have to drop on so-and-so at the studio right now. I'm like, bro, I'm like, I don't, you know, I don't gangbang. So I just like, I just love everybody.

58:28So I'm just like, man, I just pray for whoever the f***, you know, they slide. And I'm like, damn, like. Shit just f***ed up I'm just here to make music Why I gotta be involved in this You ain't never had no crazy S*** happen With you That you can I know a crazy story I don't know if you wanna get into it We'll say no names Alright We won't say no names But you can just tell me How true it is I heard Nah we can say it like Nah I don't wanna do all that But I heard I won't say the name But I'll say like The s*** that kidnapped you And made you come In a sense kinda And in a way It kinda is kidnapping though.

59:04If they force you to go somewhere, I can't say that. He really in the mix. I can't tell that. I told one person. I only told 16. 16, what the fuck going on? 16 ain't telling me this. They put pipe to my head and went through my phone and shit. To make sure you wasn't trying to back doing it. Make sure I wasn't back doing it. So that's one of them though, right? I know you didn't have to have more. That's the craziest. So what? Some rapper who's not. It was J.H.E.G. It was J.H.E.G. too crazy. And what's crazy is after that I called 16. 16 told me in capital B-O-A boy you are tweaking if you go f*** with them still.

59:41And I said you know what? I'm about to move in with them. And that's when all this s*** happened. But what caused them to be so suspicious of it? Because I was f***ing with Fonzo at the time. Not even really f***ing with it. I was just like me and KJ are so locked in like friendship wise that like not even with music. I'll call him just to talk about real life s*** you know. and I guess they just felt some type of way. They thought I was trying to backdoor or something, but what was crazy is... They went through your phone and shit, but there was nothing there. Yeah, there was nothing there. So that's what made you feel comfortable?

1:00:10I'm a producer, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I'm there to work. But why would they think that you was on some backdoor? What was there for them to think like? I think it was just because... I think I was out in L.A. with K.J., Fonzo, and B.A. And I think that's... Or something like... I think that's what I might have done. And then I hit up, I want to say it was Ewell. Ewell ain't know nothing about it. He thought I was good. That's why Ewell told me. He was like, boy, slide. He told me to slide. I slid out there. We walked to the store. Someone outside, get in. Get in. Go back. Pipe to the head.

1:00:46Let me go through your phone. Go through my phone. And what's crazy is I convinced myself to understand where they were coming from. That's why I brushed it off. I was like, all right, these are my people. I'm going to rock with them. So I ended up going back home, back to Portland. They called me. We need you. And then that's when, like, 16 warned me. 16 told me, like, you tripping. Like, he was like, anybody did that to me? I'm never, like, talking to him again. I was like, bro, it's business. Like, we're about to take off with this. Do they apologize? Like, yo, sorry, we put the gun to your head?

1:01:16Yeah, I want to say, like, a week later, though. I felt like it was an apology. That's, like, an immediate apology thing. I felt like it was an apology out of, like, being scared that I was going to, like, run and tell somebody or something because like you literally could go tell the cops and it would not be good yeah that's what's crazy is like i don't really like i've been around so much i feel like a lot of people in my position would have folded years ago whether it was just any anything like just talking or telling like there's i know a lot of and i've never ever ever spoke on anything you feel me like i've held it down because i thought this was a business i thought we were Like, nah.

1:01:55But it seemed like when I, even when I, besides that story, which is crazy as f***ing, and I mean, you still ended up living with the f***ing after the fact. I'm talking about kidnapping. I mean, damn near that's kidnapping. Kidnap is kind of the nice way to say it. Most of the time when you get kidnapped, they don't put a gun to your head. Yeah. But like, I was so chill. Like, that's what I felt like threw them off too. They were wondering why, like, I wasn't shaking or anything. And like, I was just like. Cause you knew you was innocent. I knew I didn't do that. I would have been tripping if I knew I was doing that.

1:02:24I'm there to make beats. Can we work on this album? I got a gun to my head. Can we work on this album? That's dedication. But even hearing all this out, after we just listened to everything, it still seemed like you and Ruga really don't got no problem of recent. It's just like you just really just doing this just to disassociate yourself so you can work and get more clients. No, it's a problem, bro. Some of the shit he said to me when I left, I can never go back from. That's what I tell everybody to this day. What he say that was like so damn I mean if niggas can put guns to your head and like that then what could he say that he's been talking in my dms for the last two years to himself but let's see he sent like four more messages I want to yeah see look just paragraphs wow that is a lot of him and not a lot of you

1:03:19It was just fake, bro. It was crazy. He always be preaching on this story about fake love and all this. It seemed like you hurt, though, more than anything. Yeah, bro. You seem like a pretty nice person compared to a lot of the people that you were working with, realistically. I feel like the last seven years, eight years of my life were wasted. I feel like I'm back at not even.0 because I done made a name for myself, but I feel like I'm just back where I was. Like, I just wanted an artist to just grow with, you feel me? I didn't want someone who was going to get greedy and do all this. Like, we were supposed to do this.

1:03:54Take it to the next level. And I feel like I got to put in another five-plus years to do that when it should have just already been capitalized, if that makes sense. Like, I feel like I wasted my time. That's why. But then would you be where you at right now if you didn't lock in with those people? So, like, it kind of worked out in a way. No, for sure. For sure. Like, I'm thankful for everything. Everything we've done, like, everything, I'd say. Like, the whole journey has been cool. is just the ending of the outcome. You feel me? Like, I done learned a lot. I learned about my royalties with the whole J-Main situation.

1:04:23Learn. Never make that mistake again. Always make sure I get added, you know? And you getting money, though. Yeah. I'm seeing, I'm like, you pulling up, you flying private. Not private, but first class and shit. You didn't definitely figure it out. I'm chilling. There's other ways to make money besides 50%, if that makes sense. You can sell beat packs. You can sell beats. You can sell knowledge. Because I ain't going to lie. If I'm a rapper, I'm off rip. I'm like 50 % like then if I get a I'm getting less than what the producers that's the thing that's just with the independent artists a lot of a lot of major artists are signed so they got budgets you know so you never signed a deal ever I signed a like a publishing you know like we're admin it's called an admin deal basically if you want to collect your publishing without being signed to a label so they just act as a publisher for you take a percentage so that's what I got going on so I'm getting my publishing but yeah yeah like that's the thing like there's just a lot of greed in this like even with doug i've never been paid off doug's music on the masters like publishing i've collected but the thing is with publishing there's so many fake accounts collecting off doug's music it's hard really it's hard there's so many fake people collecting because anybody can go make a bmi account and go collect songs so that's that's like another scam people are doing so someone actually was collecting my i'm from 63rd song and the publisher reached out to me was like beat stars reached out to me they were like hey someone's collecting off this song can you verify this and i was like bro i'm the only one on that song how can they collect if there's no content id if like how's that work just registration they go say they're whoever they say that they made the beat it's it's when you sign up there's different like ipi numbers and everything you add together you put it all together it works so you could go claim whatever and there's like third-party websites where you go claim royalties publishing royalties like it's crazy like anybody has access to it so with duck's music like i don't know if it was young's dad who's i don't know you ever heard of manny yeah someone named man i'm pretty yeah young and uh dutchy yeah bro i don't know i've heard some like about like i don't know i just heard some about him having the producer money and just not even not giving it out we're supposed to be like collecting it for themselves because like i I ain't never, Duck was working with labels, so there's got to be producer money, especially for that I'm from 63rd song.

1:06:42Like, I had more songs with Duck than I did with Ruga. People don't even know that. Was you and Duck locked in in person, or it was like - More over, yeah, but I was definitely in sessions, like where Ruga would bring me to, you know, like the house and shit, and I'd play beats. They'd be like, get in the chair and just, I remember Duck, the first time I met Duck, Ruga called me, he was like, he was like, Duck here, pull up. I was like, shit. I called my homie, my homie come pick me up. We get pulled over on the way over there. We're trying to tell him, whoa, we're about to go link with Doug. He already brought our ticket.

1:07:11We go over there. We get there. We're like, damn, there's trenchers. We're like, we want to get out the car. Y 'all on 63rd or where y 'all at at the time? Nah, we was over off. I don't even want to say it anymore because I don't know if they're still over there. But we was down in like the 70s, like 79th over there. I'm not going to say the cross street, but we was in the 70s, like 80s type shit. And it was just, it felt trenchers over there. I was like, damn, he might get out. So I called in to come to the door. We go upstairs. We in the trap. We working, working. Duck like, you make beats? Yup, get in the chair.

1:07:43Play a beat. Next. Play a beat. Next. Play a beat. Next. Play a beat. Just the one. Get on there. And from then, he was just like, send me beats. He had hit me on Instagram. He was like, just keep sending them. And then we kept just linking at studio sessions. This summer, FanDuel is the best place to bet on goals. With new ways to score all tournament long. What kind of goals? All of them. Including equalizers? Yes. Lollies? Yep. Pretty much any goal you can think of goes further on FanDuel. So, let there be goals. All customers can win up to$25 if USA has one shot versus Paraguay. 21 plus in present and select states.

1:08:18Opt-in required. Must wager in designated offer market. Max wager$25. Restrictions apply. See full terms at FanDuel.com slash sportsbook. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or 1-800-MY-RESET. Do you think Ruga has another run in him as an artist? Whenever he wants, yeah. Like, that man can sing. That man can write. That man can rap. He can deliver. And he can also do, like, old school boom back. Like, he can do everything. Rupa Talented. I feel like, keep it real, bro, you just lazy. Like, you just lazy. I was there for eight months. How you go eight months with a producer on your side and don't drop one song?

1:08:58And we got 15 songs lined up plus. Like, let's work. And our cameraman, Billy, was living in L.A. at the time, so he, what, a couple hours away? That's confusing to me because most of the decent rappers I know make a couple songs a night, a couple songs a studio session. No, that's the thing. Song takes like an hour or two usually, like on average maybe. I know some people. How much? Half hour. We were recording at the house in Vegas. We were recording at the house. So we would just, he would record like crazy. Like we would just keep recording but just not drop anything. And I felt like I was just wasting time.

1:09:30And then, yeah, I feel like. Why you think he don't want to put it out, though? Is it the label? Where is it? Nah, with the album, it was trying to get the producers paid out. But these European producers, they want like$2 ,500,$3 ,000 a beat. And I'm over here telling them, bro, I could remake all these. They're like, nah, they're not going to hit the same. I'm like, all right, dude, no. Let's do whatever. So we're waiting, we're waiting, we're waiting. Still nothing. I'm seeing her like, bro, you have a producer willing to remake everything. But if you remake it, he got to give you 50%. Exactly.

1:10:00that's what he didn't like at the back of his head. And that's where we, that's where the disagreement - Rob Markman But don't you feel like you're supposed to, all right, look, Ruger, you done elevated a little bit. We could bring the percentage down a little bit. Did you kind of have that kind of talk with him? Ruger Yeah, we could do that. Rob Markman Did y 'all have that talk? Ruger Yeah, we did in his kitchen. Rob Markman And what'd he say? Rob Markman And he was on it or he wasn't with it? Ruger Yeah, he tried to, I remember he called one of his Yey connects and was like, bro, this Yey producer said this.

1:10:24I'm like, bro, these guys are working with Yey. Like these contracts, my bad, these contracts and percentages are so different than you who are not even going to pay for the beat like that's the thing with jay main saying oh you give ruga and them beats for free i get 50 percent of ruga and even if like that's what people don't get is even if you pay for the beat that's just allowing you to use it commercially and make money off it that's not allowing you to just run off with all 100 percent that's just allowing you and you only to make money off it so even if you pay me a thousand for the exclusive, I'm still getting my 50 or whatever we agree upon.

1:10:5730, 35, 40. People think, oh, if I pay 150 for the beat, then it's mine. No. That's what starts the 50-50. So even if you're paid 200 for the beat, you still want 50? 1 ,000. Yeah, I still want 50. Alright. I ain't a lot of percentage high as I can see. I get it. I get it. Nah, see. That's why you should do the business before you make the music. If he is. If possible. That's the thing. If he would have came to me like, hey, bro, I'm going to put like 10 ,000 into marketing or something. Like, bro, take whatever. Take 30 % off. Go for it. Because then if it's helping market the song, then you like, it's going to help benefit me.

1:11:38I've never seen them market their song once. It's just always an Instagram post that says out now on YouTube. And they do millions of views. Like, imagine if they would have actually put some money behind them instead of buying all these cars and jewelry and stuff. Like even just$5 ,000 on a post. If your song's doing millions of views just off you saying out now on YouTube or a couple hundred thousand, like imagine if you really put some money behind it. Like you would think it's common sense. You would think like. Yeah, here's some game for everybody who we want us to pay off for the interviews.

1:12:11Y 'all should highlight us to pay out of get put on the blogs. That's the only thing about because everybody by yo, pay me to get up there. But then they don't want to pay for the promo side when they drop so like you gotta make it make sense we paying y 'all to come up here and y 'all gotta pay us to promote the music right so it's like just a little gem out there for some whoever listening yeah i've tried to do that or i tried to be like i'm not gonna pay you for the interview but i'll give you three posts promoting your music okay usually they don't get it like they just don't really understand i'm like you know this is we're gonna be exchanging hands about money back and forth one way or another right whatever it would help a lot of people that you He probably offered it to out in a way.

1:12:50Some people just don't get that side of it. They're like, man, the fans just going to catch on. It is what it is. But it's like sometimes you got to. Everybody thinks they know the game. But I ain't going to lie. How much do you know about his involvement with Ye and shit? And who he wrote for? You know some shit. Oh, yeah. Did he write that verse for, I heard he wrote that verse that Dirk was on. You know if that's true or not? I'm knowing some shit that's the thing he's never open even when we're in rooms he'll tell people hey bro don't tell nobody he never told me this personally I'm not gonna come on and say anything just because if he was out there telling people oh I wrote for this person that person alright but he really he got a pen though for real though he got a pen that man yeah I done heard a story bro he was in Japan with somebody someone really big real close to EA played a song on the balcony for him he said I need that.

1:13:46I need that. I want the beat, I want the lyrics, I want everything. Got it from him. That's crazy. Ruga Towns is a song, God. I ain't even much. Big headed and. He's a big head. Bro, he's like, bro, it's just like. I just go fight it out and get back cool. Yo, drop it down at 30%. I think they gotta go to several ways, man. Nah, yeah, we finna go. It's over there, it is, right? Yeah, it's like, it's just, you showed me what it was and how it would go if we made it to the top. And I feel like that shit flopped. I think this is an important education, though, for the up-and-coming producers, rappers, et cetera, if you want to kind of understand what you might have to deal with.

1:14:27I think this is pretty useful. Let me ask you one thing. What's one thing you feel like you did wrong in this situation? He always told me closed mouths don't get fed. So I feel like I could have spoke up in a way. you know because there was a time that during the yay process he came over to my house and i had my manager there at the time but my manager was in the like the puerto rican town politics like he's like he runs like stuff over there so he's always in a suit you know he's always like yeah you know he runs the whole parade and everything he puts stuff together in the community so he was in a suit so i felt like ruga not knowing who that was he pulled up to my house and like seen a dude in a suit he thought i was here for like just business like you know but i was really just trying to kick it and just see what's up like i ain't seen you in a minute what's up so i feel Like after that, it just felt weird.

1:15:11Like, and me and my man had talked about that. Like months later, we were like, we kind of started just moving different after that. It was like, maybe it was because he, you know, wrote that we was just like, I wanted my 50%. You don't love for the white boy in a suit. I think that's what it was, was like, after that he was like, because he was talking to some other people and those people called me and was like, hey, this is how Ruga feel about you. And basically they were saying that. These are corporate people or street people? street it's um in uh 6700 in their camp they called me was like he basically feel that you're just trying to do the 50 50 like you just on some business like you just want your money type and the whole time it's never been like that like if i really wanted my money all that be taken down like i'd be like pay up you know 50 i want money for the beats like it's not about the money i just wanted to grow same thing yeah no i feel it it sucks because it's like damn you know i had some good going and then just even knowing you you a good ass like so it don't seem like you doing this like i i see what he said for like he feel like he getting attacked randomly because he's like i don't know where the came from like we was cool or we wasn't cool but there was like no no i had seen an interview and i was like i was like this dude's really just like talking about killing people on the interview.

1:16:33I'm like, if he talking all this, why can't I just go explain my life? And if you happen to do me dirty through it, you're going to get brought up. Ruger was talking about killing people? No, I'm just saying I was watching another interview. And I was like, this dude's blatantly talking. Like, why can't I explain my life? People are on here doing this shit. Why can't I explain my life? What I got going on. That's what I got going on. I saw the artist and whoop-de-whoop. Got whooped. but for the first time, Thunky Man got thunked. Thunky Man, you finna go on another run though, right? Yeah. I be seeing you cooking up.

1:17:12Because this is a big ass billboard for your services. I feel like people are going to tap in and want to. And you make hard beats too for everybody who don't know or don't. Can you name some of the songs you produce? Because like even me, when I was on the phone with Ruger the other day, I ain't know some of the shit. I'm like, damn, he did that one too? So like name some of the songs you produce so people can know your catalog. I'm just going to go through them. If you're into Chicago music heavy, you might know some of these. I did Blickathon. I'm from 63rd. Ford Duck. I did Yeah by FBG Duck.

1:17:47Young and Living by Duck. Did The Red Light 2. Feisty for Ruga. Look Up by Duck. Go Harder by Ruga and Duck. I did Blood by Ruga and Duck.

1:18:02No Tylenol by Duck He Back by Duck The whole He Back mixtape after he passed away That was all near me Damn near there was like a couple songs that wasn't me I didn't near did all those Yeah there's so many on here I'm already at 40 Another one Wonder Why I already knew So yeah So you definitely a GD producer I'm thunking now I'm thunking now I'm really just like But you just, you had to let it be known, like, hey, look, I can go work with everybody. Yeah, I want to work with everybody. Like, when I went to Chicago, there were sessions like, you know, Lollipop? Yeah, I know. You heard of Lollipop?

1:18:41Yeah, yeah. So Lollipop, I linked with Lollipop in Chicago. And she was like, all right, I got a Vonoff and T-Ski session. Do you want to come? And I had to decline it because I know with my association being with them that they would feel uncomfortable. And I didn't want anything. Like, me personally, I know how to move. Like, I know one of their homies could just be feeling wrong that day or something. Like, we got Rupert's producer on camera. Like, we could make a fool out of this or something. So, it's like, I just don't trust it. So, I just, like, I want to work, though. Like, I would love to work with Von Off, bro.

1:19:11I would love to work with Teesky and everybody, like. Man, I'm going to have Von Off. That shit. He got a shit. Why not? FaceTime him. He's talking about FaceTime. He not going with me. You know what I'm saying, though? He ain't going. Nah, I don't think he going for that. All right. I bet he will. Nah. Put him on the spot, man. You know more shit than we don't know. Right. What up, dog? What up, brother? Yo, so we're doing an interview with Digi Prada, who he used to be like Ruga's producer and shit. I know who that is. Okay, so they kind of fell out. There's this whole big thing. They weren't really doing good business.

1:19:48And he was saying how he got invited, like some girl invited him to a studio session with you, and he didn't come through because he knew that you probably wouldn't feel comfortable with it. so I'm just throwing it out there would you be down for him to send you some beats cause he trying to like get out there and really with like all the hot artists in Chicago like he ain't really on any yeah they gotta be somewhere so he think I'm on like some GDK he just wanted, he didn't want to make you feel uncomfortable or however you want to say it I just didn't want, I just know how like not everybody with that side so I just didn't want to go there and people be like oh can I trust him or can you know what I'm saying like yeah he thinking I'm on some GDK tell him no I'll rock with him the GD's ain't never did shit for me and tell him, send me some beats.

1:20:26I'm going to f*** with him. Fire. Yeah, I'm going to put you all on text later. I bet. All right, much love. Just like that, man. Look at that. You know what I mean, my boy? I got to look out for the wood pile, man. I ain't going to lie. That was real. What's your ethnicity, though? You white, for sure? Mexican-Italian. Mexican-Italian? Yeah. Yeah. That's hard, though. I f*** that, Adam. That's real? Nah. But you see how it's easier than what... I mean, sometimes it do make... I feel like when you do good, like... i don't know like even like last time like last time we had our interview we you and ruga fell out like and i remember you was calling booga sugar ruga because that's what you were saying uh it was like how does your white producer come and handle himself way better than booga sugar ruga and it was like that's a bar it was like because i have good intentions like i'm not you know just got good intentions like you just hold yourself together and just do right everything's gonna line up i feel like when people don't when people know in their head they're not doing right They start acting out and stuff.

1:21:25And that's when you can kind of tell. And I should have seen the signs throughout the year. I should have seen the signs with the shit in my head. Yeah, no, that's the biggest sign you had right there. So, all right, let's switch it up just a little bit. We were at home. No, I just got random questions for you. So what the fuck are you traveling with a big-ass German Shepherd all the time? See, I got her in Chicago because, honestly, I wanted to be able to walk the streets and feel comfy. so like I would let her just bark at everything and everybody I take her you know because I I'm not gonna lie when I moved to Chicago I didn't even know you could take the bus I'm walking like 40 minutes just to get to downtown and just look around then I started like I started learning the system you could take the train you take the bus so you was walking everywhere I was walking everywhere had to just take my dog everywhere I'm walking an hour and a half to get to the pier all the way from outside the city like with my dog and that's an hour and a half there and an hour and a half back.

1:22:22Like, they said, fuck, I'm going to just have them motherfuckers with me. Yeah. You see a big ass German Shepherd, like, you know, and she barking and, you know. I'll be like, damn, them have that big ass dog everywhere he go. Yeah. Who would you put on the Mount Rushmore of drill music? You being a producer. Damn. I would have to say Pappy. This is just to me, though. Yeah. This is your amount, Archmorton? This is my amount. Pappy, King Louie.

1:23:00I would have to say Dirk, bro. Dirk just, because he just went. I would say Dirk and who else made it? Celebrity, celebrity status. I would say Pappy and Louie just for the people back in the day just because they were so legendary. And then my who made it, I would say Dirk and probably Keith or Polo. So probably him and Keef for sure. You ain't going to have one GD. You got to put a GD on there, bro. That's what's tough. Is that like Duck is the closest you can get to putting him in the top four. But really like it's just not close. He was super influential for sure. Like how are you going to put Duck on there instead of Herbo or.

1:23:38I mean, but if he put Pappy on there. Yeah. But I f***ing Pappy music too. He was crazy. For sure. Yeah, that's when I was like when I was working with PBG. I was like, damn, this is cool. All right, let's throw this out there too then. So what BDs would you even want to work with from the city? If they watch this interview, who you got to pack for? That's the thing. I don't even be really knowing who's who. I just be knowing that. Even if you don't know if they're GD or BD or whatever, who's some artist you want to work with from Chicago that is who's Drill? Drill Drill? Or just who you want to work with?

1:24:14Baby Chief. Baby Chief, Vaughn, Teeski, Rack Baby. Rack Baby just liked a couple of my posts. I really should have just tapped in with him. That was when I was talking about the Ruby. Yeah. Rack Baby. Who else from there that I want to work with? Really Baby Chief, bro. Yeah, I worked with DCG. We never dropped our song, though.

1:24:39Yeah, that would say, yeah. Ludfo for sure. But you already know how that's going. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what happened. I don't know. That's where everybody like where he at. Yeah. Where the **** you at? Come do the interview. Come. For real. We got some **** to talk about. Yeah. What else? What else we got before we end this, man? Do you all... So you good with the GDs, though? Because I seen the **** mad. You brought a Larry Hoover name. Yeah, bro. Yeah, they... They like, man, that **** is talking crazy. He must not... He ain't coming back to Chicago anytime soon. Nah, it's good, bro.

1:25:14It's all love. It felt like they... I mean, you guys too. Not like you guys... I mean, I know how you guys do. Take a post and make a narrative or whatever. You guys kind of helped out with that narrative. But I know that once I came up here and explained myself. Because here's when I made that post. I was expecting to come on here and then whatever. By the time I even got to the studio, because I was on my way to the studio. And that shit dropped. I was like, damn, that shit got like 500 comments. I was like, bro, all right. So now they're running with this narrative. I might definitely have to go on there now because really I was second guessing this because I was like I'm not going to really speak it but then I was like you know what nah f*** it you guys damn near you know what you're doing you lured me in you don't want to look fake you don't want to look fake but I mean realistically I feel like you've painted the picture pretty good of how like it's not exactly like you turned your back on dudes like because of anything aside from the fact that you just felt like you weren't having the right business then And to be fair, you tagged us, so it's kind of like.

1:26:16No, I tagged y 'all for sure. All right, for sure. For sure, for sure. To be fair, we've talked about you a lot on this podcast over the years, and we've talked about Ruga a lot over the years, so the fallout meant more to us, I guess, than a lot of other platforms. See, that's what my problem was, because I f*** with Ruga, and I know Ruga and Adam got their s***. So I had to call Ruga and just be like, look, this ain't no play just because I'm over here with Adam. We're not just coming to get you and s***. There's some s*** that I ain't know this was coming. I got tagged in it. And to be fair, I don't got nothing.

1:26:43Like, what the f*** do I care about the Ruga thing? Even when he was yelling in my face, I didn't care. I didn't get all out of pocket and start dissing him. It was like, whatever, bro. Have your f***ing temper tantrum. Maybe. If he hit me up right now and was like, yo, like, we're cool again. I'd be like, all right, cool. Facts. I don't really take it that serious in the first place. Like, you got mad. You stormed out. I've really gone out of my way to not talk about him since he did that. You've been quiet. You've been quiet. Even him. He barely talked about it. I feel like, you know, you don't really talk about it.

1:27:11I feel like the only person you get the most flack is King Yella. I feel like you leave Ruga alone. He did that diss song on YouTube. But King Yella, did he? I don't know. I heard that. But King Yella is like constantly talking about me because he's a content creator. Whereas Ruga, to his credit, at least is not out here being an obnoxious content creator. At least he's like ducked off, writing, doing music and stuff. I can respect that more than King Yella just making some shit up every other day. That's why when Unk reached out to me and was like, I'm bigger than no jumper. and then I went to Unk's page and I see Yalla all over it I'm like okay you're in Vegas because I know Yalla's not moving around like that like so I was like okay you're in Vegas I can't trust you and then all of a sudden I get those texts from Ruger you show up to that interview see if you keep that same energy I'm gonna be there Bob so I'm like Unk Unk trying to set me up is crazy Unk is a set up artist and it was crazy I got random DMs saying it was like don't trust that fool don't trust him yeah if Unk books you for an interview for sure you're getting backdoored.

1:28:10No John Braylor, not a chance. Yeah, thanks for not setting me up. I mean, I haven't made it to my car yet. Yeah. We heard about J-Man. What happened with the J-Man that you guys set him up? I had told him, this wasn't even this location. I had told him to pull up to the Melrose store. And this is, this is around the same time. Oh, it was the store. We had a store over on Melrose or whatever. And then, you know, the most touristy ass area. It's not, it's not there anymore. It's next to the awful lot of cough syrup. Yeah, we had it for like a year. We have a lot of years. It's not there anymore?

1:28:36No, no. We was about to go vlog. I thought it was, damn. They got some other good shit over there. A bunch of good stores and shit. A bunch of good stores. But anyways, we pull up over there, and within like five minutes of us parking, bro, I don't know what the fuck, I parked my car back there, and like three other people, and then for some reason, J-Main, he came out here with like mad shit back. Like, if you in LA, you know not to have nothing in your back seats. Any big city. But he had literally, this shit had a whole bunch of bags in the back seat. Blamed you guys. Yeah, they took a lot of time.

1:29:03He do it for content, though. He know D.N.Y. ain't nothing to do with it. But he just go on there. The Remo back-dope me, and then now I - So he just ran with it, but - Didn't we find someone online claiming that they were the one who did it later on? Nah, well, we ended up - We seen Dub - So Kenny Carr got broken into, who used to work up here, and then J-Man Carr got broken into. So we just actually seen the footage of the people hopping out right there. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. But we still don't know who the f*** they were. Yeah, that whole J-Man - That whole J-Man situation. Crazy. yeah now all right and hans though how do you feel about everything that happened with him like i love about his success because like i love it i started the pushing peace movement in a way that's that's what i would thank you remo thank you thank you thank you because really like that's you you pushed him from doing music to where it's like i he had to like get back in his creative bag and like you kind of gave him another drive that he might not even thought but like at the end of taking this channel, you made that hungry again and look how successful J-Main been since.

1:30:06Bro just like, bro is interviewing PZ in PZ's house. J-Main, would you be interviewing PZ in PZ's house if you was a rapper? I don't think so. I don't think so. So like, I really done bless the man, you know? I just want like I don't want no money. I just want a thank you, a thank you dad. Nah, why don't y 'all do a sitting down interview? If you push a piece, why can't he push a piece with you? Why can't y 'all make up? I feel like they done tried to do that like Ruga and them would think it's funny at the house to like call J-Man and just put the phone in my face and be like someone want to talk to you and it'd be J-Man we'd both be like what the f*** you know I was finna do it right now I would f***ing I would airplane mode that f***ing act like that f***ing out nah I ain't gonna do it but I think that'd be good for y 'all to have a conversation we don't want to though he done made a post about me he was like it was like should I interview Thunky Man or he was like I can't go in the new year into it with Thunky Man and that s*** like 2 ,000 comments in like an hour.

1:31:00It was over. It was over going. People saying no or telling. His people were on there saying, bro, this is the person who took you down. Why is you giving him publicity? And I know he listened. He took the post down right after like, oh, I've read all that. He took it down. And I was like, damn, like I knew they got in his head. Like you write like, why am I giving the person who potentially, you know, but the thing is, I never did it out of like, I want to make you homeless. I want to do this. It was like, those are my beats. Not, oh, I hope you do bad. I hope you're f***ed up. Because if I really did that, I would have took more s*** down.

1:31:33I would have kept this s*** going. I would have been petty. And you didn't abuse the process. I didn't abuse my power. You actually went about it the correct way. The legal way. And he could have easily gone along with you doing it. I told him many times, I was like, bro, just give me a couple songs to collect off of. And let me recoup how much you owe me. Like, if you just, you know, give me some songs and let me collect. And we could work this out. He didn't. It just goes. He wouldn't reply for s***. Like manager, lawyer, me. Like just when I'm giving him options, like, bro, like I don't know what to do at this point.

1:32:05I put two copyright strikes in to like get his attention. He said, I remember he was talking to someone and that person came to me was like, he don't even care, bro. Like, he don't even give a. And I was like, I already know how J-Main is. Like, that's the type of dude he is. He'll be like, just take it. Like, I'd rather you take it than not give you your money. And I'm going to show you that I could double up. He did it, though. He did it. Shout out to you for giving that a draw to do that. That's his villain origin story. The whoop. The whoop man. The whoop man. I'm the original whoop man. The original.

1:32:37I just started the whoops. You handed out the whooping. Handed out the whooping. Yo, Digi Prada. Appreciate you coming up, man. I'm glad we got to correct the record. We don't oftentimes get to hear from the producers who kind of get screwed over in the whole process of making the records that y 'all love. Not for sure. Yeah, hopefully Ruga can come to his senses. Maybe he'll treat his next producer better. Obviously, you got big things coming either way. We're going to make sure we get you some honest. I feel like you're a good dude. I feel like the universe is going to work in your favor. I hope you and Ruga can just make back up, though.

1:33:12That's what I'm pushing for. Man, it looks like I'm drinking guacamole, huh? You know, that shit is crazy. We good? Yeah, we good, man. Bitch, you proud of Thunkie Mane? Shout out to Remo. No Jumper, coolest podcast. Like, comment, and subscribe. Got to read them comments. Appreciate y 'all.