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27:02there's no possible way right and even if she did the car was on the side of the road like it was on a street like who drove who drove her there like like there is a second person involved somehow she did not put herself there it's not possible so what the fuck happened who did it when you see that he hired allegedly like harvey weinstein's former attorneys okay so that doesn't Seem like a smoking gun to you? No, not at all. You have a very high profile. He had to cancel his whole concert. His whole tour. He canceled his tour. Everyone in the world thinks that he did it. Yeah, you got to protect yourself.

27:45Whether you did it or not, even if he did not do it, absolutely get a lawyer. You crazy? His house was raided by the police. They grabbed everything they could possibly grab. Why would you not get a lawyer? even if you did not do it, you absolutely want a lawyer. You'll fuck around and say the wrong thing. Next thing you know, that's the statement that ends up getting you convicted. Do we know that he has been interrogated by the police? I don't know. Not even that. We haven't even heard that he's talked to the police or have, like, sat down. Detectives talked to him. We do know that they came to his house and seized a whole bunch of stuff, but outside of that, that's all we know.

28:22And a lot of people are like, oh, well, even if he didn't kill her, he was a pedophile. It's like, okay, well, they're not going to be able to put that case together in place of this murder. And she's dead. And they found out she wasn't pregnant. Because that was the first assumption. That was the thing they tried to say. Oh, he got her pregnant, so he killed her. No, she hasn't been pregnant within the last year, is what they said. So basically, there's no proof she's ever been pregnant. When this is all said and done, a lot of the stuff that we're taking as facts right now is probably going to seem like fake news.

28:48Because there's just been such a flood of stuff coming through. It's just really impossible to believe. Someone's involved in that somehow. Yeah, it's just hard to believe that he's completely innocent because, like, all right, TMZ released recently. It's possible. It's possible he's innocent. It's possible. Completely is kind of crazy. It's possible. Okay, look, like, I'm not saying this happened, but let's just say we all, look, like, I have, let's say, around a dozen people that I financially support, right? I completely, meaning that all the money they get comes from me, right? You take me away, and now they're scrambling to try to find a new career, income, whatever else, right?

29:30So you realize that this girl is going to put me in prison, so I'm never going to be able to give you any more money. And you don't have a plan B. You know how these entourage people, like, oh, yeah, I grew up with them. You know, I dropped out of high school to be his road manager or whatever else. Like this is all you got. This person is all you got. And you know that they're fucking up and this person comes forward. They're going to, that's it. David, the pedophile will not go on tour anymore. Right. As that, so you take it upon yourself to get rid of the problem for him without even telling him.

30:11It could happen. It could happen. It's not that crazy of a story. It could happen. These things do happen. You got, you know how you have these crews of people, like, for example, you look at Tony Yale, for example, right? Tony Yale will shoot somebody for 50. I am knowing Tony the way I do and seeing the history of those two together. I am fully confident that Tony will shoot somebody and possibly kill somebody if he felt that 50's well-being was in danger at that moment. Do you agree or disagree? No, I agree. So why is it so crazy that maybe David had a version of Tony Yayona's crew? Because I met David and the people that he's around do not seem like they're anything on the G-Unit level.

31:04Because you're talking about Tony Aya, who is like the most street experienced person that you could understand or expect besides maybe guys who have spent a decade in prison. And on the other hand, you have David, who from everything I've seen about him seems like he has almost no real world experience. And all this anime shit, all this music shit, it was kind of, to him, it didn't seem like he understood that the real world has actual consequences for your actions. He was living in this crazy internet world. I don't know. I don't know. Crazy doesn't just come from certain environments. Right?

31:40All these, like, serial killers, they're not street guys. They're a regular two-parent home, went to college, or, you know, got someone buried in their basement. The thing that's damning to him is like, all right, so at one point this was a chick that you were dealing with, and the fact that you didn't make it a thing to report her missing, and then your car was— But why would he report her missing, though? because at one point, if you're trying to clear yourself from any of the charges and maybe somebody else did it, then maybe throw that out there like, hey, I haven't heard from her. Hey, this underage girl I'm dealing with can't find her anymore.

32:14It's better than fucking, it's better than people that you killed her though. Do you see how bad this looks? I give you that, but like the fact that you had your Tesla with her body in it and you're just like going on tour, it just seems like there's no way that you're, that you're completely innocent from that. Maybe you didn't chop her up, But it's like, look, obviously what everyone's thinking is that he killed her. Right. That that's the obvious assumption. But the fact that he's not been arrested and clearly the police are assuming the same thing. They wouldn't raid his home and they wouldn't seize his computers.

32:49They wouldn't, you know, go through the car and do all this investigation if they didn't think that he did it. But they got to figure out who did it. They had enough probable cause to raid his house and go through all this shit, but not enough to arrest him. And think about how much evidence they now have going through his house. But maybe there's no evidence is the thing. Maybe all there is is, yes, we've talked from time to time. Let's just say you meet a girl. You just don't know her age. I don't know. Him talking to her is inappropriate. I get it because him being, but he's not that old, right?

33:2920. 20 and she's what, 15? 16. So I think he was 17 when he met her and she was 12. But maybe he didn't know that in the beginning. And then as their friendship or whatever they had developed, it's like, oh, okay, well, I didn't realize you were that age or something, something, something. I mean. But he moved her out to California relatively recently. He moved her out? I don't know if he moved her out, but he got her to come to California, flew her out or whatever. She was a runaway. Yeah. That was the whole thing is that she would run away from home a lot. Lake Elsinore. That's what she ended up somehow.

34:02This is a problematic, a kid with a problematic home life. Probably a bunch of crazy shit happening with her mom, dad, both step parents. It didn't seem like the parents were appropriately concerned with their daughter being missing. It was a bunch of fucked up shit. And maybe he's dealing with her. Maybe it was an inappropriate relationship. Maybe it's not. It's probably impossible to tell at this point. Yeah. because she's dead unless someone says yeah i saw david fucking with her last week or something like that it's it's a fucked up situation and i'm hoping that something will happen but then again you see cases like the draco murder that still is not solved and there's how could this oh of course you the killer's gonna be caught there's a million people there there's all these it's a public it was a concert it was this and that is an example how long ago was that five years five years ago So my point.

34:53But that is an example, too, where the internet felt like they had solved it the next day. Well, the police disagreed with the internet. Yeah, yeah. I'm sure the police looked through all the internet detectives' work. A lot of people still think that that case is coming down the pipeline at some point. It could happen. I think it'll only happen if someone came forward and said, this is who did it. I saw that person. We talked about it afterwards. I'm willing to testify. Which could happen with a get-out-of-jail-free card. You know what I'm saying? Exactly, yeah. So now the theory is that, all right, maybe David didn't kill her.

35:26Maybe she overdosed, and he just dismembered her body. That's not great either. But, you know, you saw that one guy get away with that. Apparently, dismembering a body is a misdemeanor. Well, is it? That's what he told me earlier. I couldn't believe it when he said that. What's the name of the guy, the billionaire who dismembered the body? You know, HBO did a whole special on him. He ended up getting arrested after doing the interview. I can Google it. Netflix special on a billionaire HBO I feel like I'm going to feel stupid

35:59Durst I didn't watch that one but I remember hearing a lot about this

36:12Robert Durst yeah that was huge Robert Durst killed his next door neighbor and dismembered the body and got off in trial admitted to doing it he got off but he claimed that he like tried to kill him first and he fought back and killed him maybe that's what I'll say little girl tried to kill me I had to kill her self defense I don't know man I don't know listen I'm hoping just of the horrific nature of this that they do find whoever did it whether it's David or someone else I am not trying to justify or say that he's innocent I'm just saying that you have when it comes to law enforcement the one thing that I've learned is that they pay attention to the headlines, to media coverage and so forth.

36:57And they prioritize those cases over the other cases. Somebody, if this was just some random girl and some truck driver who allegedly killed her, this would not, the police would not put nearly the amount of resources as they're doing right now. You know, this is like the biggest murder case in entertainment right now. If you think about it in the entertainment world, This is the biggest murder case that's happening that's unsolved at this moment. And they haven't arrested him. Makes me think that they even said it's a very complicated case. And even if this is in any way similar to the way that it seems, it might be like one of the craziest murder cases in the history of hip hop.

37:38It's like just such a bizarre situation. Yeah. We're so used to paying so much attention to fairly ordinary murders. Like the young Dolph thing is like, yeah, it's interesting to find out who did it and everything. But ultimately, a dude who's a street dude having his opps pull up and shoot at him is not that fascinating. This, in comparison, is just so difficult to figure out. Yeah, this is bananas. Yeah. This is absolutely bananas. I just want to take this moment to introduce my new weed strain. Hey. The Vlad TV. You know, that deal with Presidential. This is a King Louie strain. This is my first weed ever.

38:12We smoked a little bit of it last time. We did. We now got the packaging. It's in seven states. You got a little too high. You left the pot early. Oh, did I? With the Trap Low Roswell? I had to go at one point. I had to go. I'd been there for like four hours. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that was a challenging day in terms of just keeping your energy together after potting for that long. Right. That's how you know it's all. We smoking here? Go crazy, yeah. Let's go. Where do you think that this, where is it available at this time? It's in seven states. It's in like California, Arizona, Nevada, I believe New York.

38:42Yeah, we're about to roll it out officially. About to start doing some promo around it, some in stores and all that. But this is actually a product that I use myself. You smoked it last time. I did. You got to really experience it. It was powerful. It was powerful. Moon rocks. Well, it's moon rocks. Yeah, that's the whole thing. It's not just a regular joint. Yeah. It's moon rocks mixed in with weed. Yeah, and I got another interview after this. So I'm not going to be participating in this with you, but I respect it. In your Erebo? Yeah, yeah. All right, there we go. Moon rocks, man. Let's go.

39:09Boom. We got an ashtray? We can show this one right here, yeah.

39:19You ever see yourself becoming a Drug purveyor of this sort Well I mean I smoke weed I mean I've always smoked weed I've smoked weed since college This is really me I think at times you told me that it was a late night thing for you No I never said that So you wake up in the morning and smoke Yeah I'm awake in Baker Smoke before you interview people Sometimes sometimes if it's a big interview does that necessitate you not doing it not really really yeah really if i put in the work i put in the work high or not yeah right it just is what it is i feel like you being off camera might give you a little bit more uh confidence in that regard because at least part of why i usually don't smoke before interviews is because i know that i look high as fuck.

40:09And I don't necessarily think that that's for the best. I'm smoking right now, so... And I'm on camera. But you might end up kind of floating at some point. I'll be aight. You know what happens. I've been doing it. I'm OG this. What's up? There we go. Hot clothes on. Live TV. Do you see smoking as something that you're going to leave behind as you get older at some point? I don't know. I think if it starts to affect my health. Yeah. Because it already affects my throat to a certain degree but not to the point of me stopping i mean i don't know i mean i'm obviously i've been smoking for so long my girl made me get a whole lung scan done and i was i've done that and i was thinking that if they tell me that i need to stop smoking i'm going to stop smoking and then they told me i was fine and i was like okay i'm back on it till the next lung scan i guess i'll tell you i had a um i had a whole like uh physical and a whole blood test and they told me that i was at the very bottom of the scale of being pre-diabetic.

41:08Right. Right. And that was scary. And he basically said, listen, you need to just lose weight. You lose weight, you'll get out of this range because you're at the very bottom of the range. And this was recently? This was like maybe a couple months ago. Okay. And if you look, like I'm 10 pounds thinner than when you saw me last. Right. Yeah. I'm taking this super seriously. Yeah. I'm like, fuck that. I do not want to be diabetic. I mean - I've seen you tweet out that you said you just like a majority of the thing that you did was consume more water. yeah i just started drinking water all the time because i think for me that the biggest problem was i would get through the day okay without eating too much and then at night i would start getting the munchies oh yeah and i would go down down to my kitchen i'd get some ice cream i get some lemonade and then i you know maybe get some chips and before i know it it's like i've added a thousand calories in a short period of time so i just started just drinking water all the time i I realized that a lot of times when you think you're hungry, you're actually just thirsty.

42:04I remember you used to always drink water all the time. You'd bring the jugs with you. Yeah, you got one right there. Yeah, see, that's what I'm saying. Damn. You're supposed to drink a gallon a day. I drink at least that. That's a lot. But I'm trying to get there. But I started noticing that I'm getting thinner. I'm not as hungry. I'm just not as hungry. But I'm drinking all the time. That was one thing. Yeah, it's been a game changer. I got that from interviewing Chris Gotti, and we're talking about Irv Gotti. And he's describing Irv Gotti as someone who really didn't have that bad of lifestyle.

42:38He had a personal trainer, had a personal chef, but still would fuck around drinking or going out to eat and eating big-ass meals and everything. And that was enough to basically give him the health problems that led to his death. And when I think about it, we know a lot of people who are not Dave Blunt. They're not visibly going to die from their state of their health. But you can be a guy with a pot belly and what's going on inside your body is just as bad as somebody who's 350 pounds or whatever. Especially as we get older, as you get into your 40s and 50s, it's just the most important thing is to stay on top of that shit.

43:16Yeah, I think he died eating Chinese food. He did say that that was kind of what triggered it. I love Chinese food. Me too. That's one of my vices for sure. I kind of got the creeps when he said that. But yeah, I mean, look, we're not going to be around forever. But my dad lived to 84. I hope to at least get to that. Hopefully longer, maybe 94 or 104 if I'm lucky. Technology is moving along, so hopefully there will be certain things that do it. But I don't pretend like I'm 20 anymore. I don't pretend like I'm 30 or 40 anymore. I understand I'm 52. I'll turn 53. uh, this year or next year, I mean, and, um, I'm trying to be around like life is dope.

43:59I really love my life. Yeah. I'm really looking forward to a lot of shit. So this whole YOLO lifestyle of not giving a shit, not really taking shit seriously. You know, me and Dave have had Dave Bluntz have had talks about this on camera and he's actually taken my advice. He started counting calories and so forth. But when you look at someone like a Dave Bluntz and this is what people, you know, cause I asked him how much he weighs and he's like, I'm not going to say that on camera. He doesn't even want to say it. Because that's viral. That's a headline. 700 pounds probably. I would say at least 600, yeah.

44:28Yeah, 600 to 700 pounds. In order, like I really am, because I have OCD, right? I'll weigh myself like 20 times in a day. I'm interested to see if I stop eating how low my weight could go. You take a shit, you want to see how much difference your weight is. It's so interesting. I hate it, yeah. And I have an app, right? So for example, let me show you something. What, Happy Scale? No, it's called MyFitnessPal. Oh, yeah, I got that too, yeah. But on MyFitnessPal, I'll show you. Come on.

45:02It's updating. But when it comes up, I'll show you. It actually shows. It keeps track of my weight at every level. So I could actually see. I don't know what the fuck is. I could see how I'm going down every day, but I could also see historically where my weight has always been. so I know that if I stop eating I can lose a pound maybe a pound and a half in a day there's no reception but I know that when I eat a certain amount my weight will go up Dave has to eat just a massive amount of food to maintain his weight he has to eat probably like 10 ,000 calories a day to maintain being 700 pounds which is weird because you've been around him a bunch of times I've never seen him eat so you wonder like what is that look and i've had people in my life who are like that who are like extremely overweight and you never see a meet and you just are forced to just wonder what this looks like like what are you doing behind the scenes but i mean ozempah really is a fucking miracle drug that's what dave blunt should get on at the very least to lose the weight because i know people who have got on it and lost a hundred plus pounds over the course of a couple months have you tried it i have not i've tried it yeah you did pretty well with it right not really no you didn't like I got down, okay, I'm at 205 right now.

46:17I got down about 195 on it. But what it does, at least for me, I don't know about every single person, but what it does is like, imagine when you go to like a, you have a really huge meal. You go to a buffet, you just stuff yourself. And at the end of the meal, you're just like, yo, I can't eat anything else. I don't want dessert. I don't want to drink anything. That's how I feel all the time. You're like that permanently. You're so, you feel so full that you don't even want to think about eating. Yeah. It doesn't do what it is. It's not a miracle where it makes the fat go away. It makes you not want to eat.

46:49And maintaining your weight has to do with calorie intake. What are the side effects that you noticed, actually? Well, number one, you're always full, so you don't really have a good quality of life. You're just uncomfortable. And for me, I would become constipated for like a whole week. So I just wouldn't take a shit. For like six days, on day seven, it would all come out. I spent the whole day on the toilet. What the fuck? And then I'll start the whole process the following day. Oh, wow. And I'm just like, yo, I could, and all I really lost was about 10 pounds. It's not like I was obese to begin.

47:28If I was 300 pounds, I'd get it. I went from like, I was at 205 and I went down to 195. And I'm like, this ain't worth it. I could get down. And I'm at 205 again, naturally. I think I can get down to 195 by just drinking water and counting calories and working out the way I've been. So the side effects were that severe that you were like, yeah, there's not. It wasn't cool. You got skinnier but your life became shittier. You see what I'm saying? You just were not happy all the time. I know a lot of people who started out doing a lot of it had weird health complications. Their stomach was fucked up.

48:04All this shit. And then had kind of transitioned to doing like much smaller amounts of it and kind of being able to pick and choose like oh i feel like i ate too much this weekend so now i'm gonna take a little bit more and it honestly seems like it's working out for everybody i know who's done that like that i think that smaller amounts is pretty good yeah maybe yeah i don't know i i just feel like i could do it on my own yeah i lost a lot of weight on my own by counting calories and just paying attention to what i eat some workout now with water it kind of stepped it up a bit like i think i'm at 205 now i think down to 195 190 maybe even a little bit lower i remember when i was going through health problems when i was like probably in my 20s i get down to about 165 oh wow and that's because i wasn't eating very much i mean i could do 165 again one of the biggest predictors of how long you're going to live is just your weight and regardless of you know like like being extremely tall is bad for how long you're likely to live because it's just your heart has to work harder and then being extremely fat is even far worse so i mean yeah it's definitely imperative for all of us yeah i mean name one obese 80 year old yeah very name an obese 70 year old yeah okay you might see some 60 year olds that are obese but they probably don't have long to live think about somebody like big boy who goes and loses many hundreds of pounds and literally just adds like a couple decades to his life oh 100 % 100 % yeah big boy would probably be dead by now for sure if he didn't do that operation that's the homie like I'm speaking I'm saying this is a good thing he knows it yeah it's a good thing so okay you've been making a ton of noise probably your biggest interview of the year the 691 can we just get a little bit of the background information of what you were thinking because I think at one point you said that you wouldn't interview him because you thought he was a piece of shit yeah I mean look I was saying what everyone else was saying right we were all kind of caught up in the moment see this guy have all these bloods around him and look I get it right I remember when I first started a pop and I had these various street guys around me and they would rough people up that were talking shit about me you were sicking my song on people in the club get him get her yeah I'm not going to deny that one right but it was It's like I quickly saw that this is a...

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51:32Like if you start to do this and you have these guys that start beating people up, because I never had anyone beat up, but I had these guys roughed up, you know, through one of my friends who was more than willing to do it. It was, these people are going to get seriously hurt, possibly killed. I'm going to have to, I'm going to be responsible for this shit. I'm going to have to pay everyone's legal bills I'm going to get sued I might go to jail myself I'm going to lose money I still have problems in the music industry from those situations there's certain executives that were there that saw some of this unfold that still don't like me this is just all negative there's nothing good that's coming from this now granted I'm not a rapper and I'm not out there trying to show everyone how tough I am but still I'm still a media person so I get the overall stance of it so you had this guy that was pushing his weight around and using this group of people that you know that he didn't grow up with.

52:26It's not like Bobby Schmurter, right? The Bobby Schmurter thing kind of makes sense. Even though he wasn't fucking around, he got busted with a bunch of people that were all sincerely his friends and they all grew up together. Tekashi got these guys later on when he started to pop. They all started to crowd around him and he was using them to shoot at people, beat people up. All that he admitted on camera. And then he took a stand on all of them. And I wasn't a fan of that. Right? But time goes on. The interview got offered to me. Who mentioned it initially? Well, I have a guy named Mafi who does a lot of bookings for me.

53:07Got it. You probably know who he is as well, right? So I've been with Mafi for like 10 years in terms of our working relationship. He's got a ton of people, including like Boosie and some of my really big guests. so he pitched it to me and i initially said no because the amount of money was too high right i never paid this much for an interview and i was doing academic show and you're not going to say how much you paid i'll say this i think you should not so i back that because i feel like we don't want everybody to know what's possible i'll say this it was more than marlon marlon waynes wanted but besides the perpetual revenue percentage split just at that It was more than what Marlon Wayans wanted.

53:50But in this case, I felt this really was a very serious interview that would really blow up, whereas a Marlon Wayans interview would just be a cool interview with a known actor slash comedian. And to be fair, 69 for the last five years or whatever has been very much kind of not doing long-form interviews, and especially not the kind of interviews that you do where you go into the depths and details of everything. What I was going to do, I knew was going to be potentially big, but I wasn't going to do it just because of the price associated with it. And I was doing academic show and I mentioned to him as we were just hanging out afterwards, he was like, yo, man, you should do that shit.

54:25Yo, no, yo, yo, that's going to be the biggest show. You should do that shit. So I said, all right. So I agreed to do it without getting into too many details. There was just a problem with logistics of it and some of the business around it, right? What we agreed on, he wanted to switch up after the fact. So I'm like, nah, I'm good. I'm not going to do it. Well, you didn't have a problem with any of the questioning? No, we never even got – that's never been a problem. So he never forbid you from anything. Okay, that's interesting. The only thing – and this part's not out yet. He didn't want to talk too much about the case that he just got – because he violated his probation.

55:04So he didn't want to talk too much. I mean, he talked about it, but he didn't want to say too much about it. Where the feds raided his house and found coke and meth on a table. Well, there's that. Residue. I don't know if it was meth. Well, anyways, I think it was pills that had whatever. But there was a whole thing of beating up the guy in the mall who allegedly threatened him with a gun. Oh, really? He called him a snitch, but that was part of it. I didn't know that. Well, yeah, it was like from what he told me on camera was that the dude called him a snitch or whatever else, and then I guess he flashed his gun.

55:34And that's when they, I guess, jumped on him and attacked him. And then he went and... He reported the incident. So what I want to say is this.

55:48Tekashi wanted to switch the business up a little bit before we actually did it. I'm like, nah, I'm good. Because now this is actually going to become even more expensive to do it this way. So I'm cool. And you're in Miami to do it, which is another expense. Well, yeah, I'd have to come to Miami and so forth. So he circled back right around the time of all the Young Thug stuff, all the Young Thug stitching stuff. He's like, okay, cool. He'll do the original deal of what you guys agreed on. And I'm like, all right then. I guess we good. We FaceTimed. We, you know, established, you know. Shout out to his man, Don, who was really like the glue that held this whole thing together.

56:24Okay. This is like his DJ slash right-hand man. Great, great guy. Very professional, 100%. He's the one that really made it happen, I think. so uh we agreed i flew down to miami i mean it was sort of crazy because he had the day before he had a show in atlanta and he decided to drive there and back which i was trying to find evidence of him performing a show in atlanta and i couldn't find anything from 2025 that's interesting which i never i never thought about that but yeah i i just wonder like who does 69 perform with in 2025 in Atlanta. Like, I was just, I never hear about him playing shows, so I was interested when I heard that.

57:01Was it maybe a private booking like someone's birthday party or something? Maybe. Chad GBT does not know about any shows that have occurred in 2025 in Atlanta. I'll ask him, though. I'll ask him, because we've been talking regularly since then. Oh, he's going to be a repeat guest. Well, I don't know about that, but... I'm sure there's still more stuff to ask. We've established a real relationship because he was driving back, so the interview didn't start until 1 a.m. Which I was kind of surprised that you being 52 had the stamina to stay up till 1am to start an interview. That's pretty impressive to me.

57:31I had the stamina to do anything. No caffeine, no stimulants? No. I don't even drink coffee. You've literally never seen me drink coffee. I just don't like it. I don't take drugs outside of weed. No nap? I may have taken a nap. Possibly. Possibly. But yeah, it happened at 1am. He drove all the way back. He got off a 12 hour drive. we were actually at his house and his house is not close to Miami it was like close to two hours outside of Miami but yeah it's in a gated community and secure but he invited me into the house we actually got there before he arrived he had some people there that kind of let us in we set everything set up and so forth and he just said do whatever you want to do do you it was like I think about three and a half hours that we spoke.

58:24The final interview, including all the B-roll, will probably be about four hours. I seen you say you have 69 clips. Yeah, I was joking. I think it's maybe close to 40. I think we're about halfway done, and we're about 7 million views combined. That's pretty insane, yeah. So you think this will end up being a profitable exercise? I think we're close to profitable. I think we're close to break-even already. I eyeballed it. I think we're 80 % of the way there. What was your read on where it seems like he's at in life because at least for me as somebody who was around him in 2017 2018 or whatever it was he's definitely changed a lot he didn't use to drink he says that in the interview that he never used to drink i i he was drinking yeah i know but now he's drinking and i'm just like kind of look at him like damn this is uh he seems like he's in a different place in his life where he's maybe uh partying it up a little bit i mean obviously he was stressed out because I mean we don't even know what's happening yet because the judge put him on a house arrest okay but he's still going to be sentenced so he might end up getting like two years we don't know so I think he's stressed out about going back to prison yeah and you know in prison he's not going to be the most popular guy there because you know you know snitching background and so forth um but then again I don't know him from before you know him I don't this was the first time I mean we we briefly ran into each other at a strip club you know I mentioned it in the interview he doesn't remember it but yeah yeah i saw that yeah there's no reason we'd make that up i mean that was at the peak of his famous success so i could imagine that almost nobody would be able to like really register with him at that time you know right he was meeting everyone like left and right it was it was a crazy night there was tons of people but i wouldn't lie about meeting him like i mean it's not all i said was yeah we talked for a couple minutes and that was that but this is the first time we really got to hang out talk we we talked about everything he didn't duck anything i think it's i personally i mean for me it's the biggest interview i think my big you know my interview of the year yeah uh when the dust settles we'll see how other people take it but it's getting a lot of fucking views right now yeah which is interesting because he's like he hasn't really made that many waves over the last couple years and it's almost like people had really counted him out in terms of even being somebody that people were interested in and now with so many other rappers being accused of snitching and stuff, it seems like people have a renewed interest in him, but I'm curious if that could ever translate to the music because it feels like people have written off that aspect of his career for sure.

1:00:56Well, you could say that, but then let's take a look at the numbers. What's your default thing that you go to look for in terms of metrics? Monthly listeners. On Spotify. But that, I feel like, tells a different tale because that is talking about the popularity of his previous work. I'm more interested in can he make a record now that has anywhere close to the level of impact that something like Gummo did. Why am I not? I'm not getting on. I don't know. He's doing 11.2 million monthly right now. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Okay, that's 11.2 monthly. Look up Kendrick. Kendrick off top, he's probably doing like 44 million.

1:01:40Maybe 70, I think. I think I looked up recently. Oh, yeah. No, I'm tripping. 73 million. Okay, so the biggest rapper in the world right now is doing seven times what Tekashi did. I think that's not too fucking bad. Drake's at 81. I mean, clearly he's not close to them. Right. But. He hasn't released music in forever. He hasn't released music in forever. He really has been out of the news, more or less, for a while. like that's a lot of fucking monthly listeners that's a lot and regardless people just remember the time period where he was the most fascinating rapper in the world and there's still a lot of those clips like when I see like oh him talking about the time period where he basically decided to turn on the Bloods and you know kick them all out of his circle I mean this was such a fascinating time period in rap that hearing him talk about it is probably always going to be interesting I remember when I asked him about stealing the gumbo beat from trippy raising yeah stole that shit it's what i do it's like you know how many memes are like that now yeah it's like you know when you ask your friend for your lighter stole that shit did you get the vibe that he was saying these catchphrases over and over like when he was saying they're gonna skip this clip vlad they're gonna skip this clip i spit nothing but facts vlad did that stand out to you as him trying to create viral catchphrases or him just being so burnt out that he's just repeating the same thing over and over it's just him being him okay yeah i felt it was natural i don't think he even was known it's just it's just him being him in fact i remember after the interview he was like yo i told him how i'm gonna roll it out no it's gonna be all boring all the family shit no the shit about going flop i said let me let me let me do what i do trust me and he's like oh i get it now oh now i get it i'm like yeah, this is a little different than what you're used to.

1:03:36What do you feel like is the craziest clip? Has that clip dropped yet? Or is there something else that's even crazy? I mean, the stuff about Trippie was pretty crazy. Him, like, rapping the Trippie Red version of Gummo. Yeah. I thought that was kind of funny. We were actually supposed to interview Trippie right around that time. I think even before that came out. I'm not holding my breath at this point. Yeah, I wonder if he would feel a way about that. I don't know. I know, for example, I reached out to, I think it was Big Moochie Great, who was part of PRE, to do an interview. Because we had been talking before about doing the interview, and I remember I hit up the manager.

1:04:14He had asked, and they were like, never. And I'm like, okay, because the Hernandez-Govain interview is just like, okay, so now they hate me because I interviewed, I guess, one of their ops. they felt got away with murder but he was tried in front of a court they found him not guilty you don't know for a fact what his involvement is in this shit and now you're mad at me over interviewing the guy which to me is just sort of like whatever like I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise but that shit is weak if all it takes for us to not be cool is for me or you to continue doing what we've been doing for 10 plus years and what I'm supposed to alter what I do over some you know like a group of artists label whatever they don't fuck with me anyways we were getting to read Dolph a long long time ago we haven't done Dolph like leading up you know to the time he passed we've never done Key Glock it's not like you're not human because let's say god forbid somebody did something to Boosie I'm sure you would have a different thought process about interviewing the person responsible for that kind of thing well that's a personal connection exactly right but i interviewed soldier boy and i interviewed the guy who he shot but then that that's like the ultimate decision right there do you want at me at this do you want to maintain the relationship or do you want to do what you consider right as a journalist but if there's never a relationship to begin with how you're gonna be mad at that person when there was no relationship to begin with right you see what i'm I don't know anyone over there so they're mad at me but we've never had a relationship to begin with so I can't understand this mentality your personal thoughts outside of what the juror said do you think he had any involvement no I was saying the same thing did he maybe have an inkling that it might be happening possibly but did he it was he the go between did he take the money for a murder or whatever else no I don't think so and the jury and the thing is I just want to answer your question is that he had his lawyer right there and they didn't say don't ask us this I was able to ask whatever the fuck I wanted you know how thorough I am I went through the whole thing I went through every detail and so forth all they had was that there was communication with him, Big Jook, and the two killers in the days leading up to the murder.

1:06:54So he never denied knowing any of them. The only witness is one of the murderers who snitched on the other murderer who hasn't gone to trial yet, who's trying to get his situation not doing life in prison. There's not a single text message that had anything to do with a murder. At the end of the day, that's like tying me into the Big U situation. I know Big U. We've called. We've texted. I got nothing. But I know nothing about anything he was fucking doing that was illegal if he did anything at all.

1:07:27So the jury saw that right away. I remember I mentioned, I'm like, oh, they deliberated for three hours. They said less than three hours. An hour and a half of that was jury instructions and blah, blah, blah. It was really about an hour, hour and a half. So you mean to tell me, you mean to tell me a group of jurors. These are not hip-hop fans. These are regular working people in Memphis. Twelve of them got together, and they're dealing with a murder case that has life in prison attached to it. For one of the most beloved rappers in Memphis history. For one of the most beloved rappers with a guy that has an extensive criminal history, already has been shot, went to jail, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

1:08:07And in an hour and a half, they quickly said not guilty. There was no argument in that room. there was no holdout saying no i think he did it it would have stretched it could have easily stretched out for days i did it so so like come on everyone thinks they know the real deal more so than the jurors more so than the judge whatever else right let me let me let me explain something to you this was like the aha moment because you know like for example everyone's like free tory tory's gonna get appeal everything else like that do you know what percentage of appeals actually are successful? Maybe one?

1:08:452%. 2%. 2%. Whoever's there is probably going to stay, not because they're innocent or guilty. It's because they have a 2 % chance of this actually working. Granted, when you have money and so forth, that can increase to 3%, 4%, 5%, 6 % maybe, but you're still 90-something percent sure you're going to stay where you are. 2%. 2%. So everyone likes to be like the armchair lawyer. But for example, all the people I've interviewed about the Diddy case, how much time will he get? I asked two dozen people what they thought. Time served. They'll let him out the same day, maybe a year at the most. The only person that said he might get a good amount of time was Judge Mathis, who was an actual state judge.

1:09:41Right. Right? Who was a lawyer and then became a judge. And he pretty much nailed it. I mean, there's so many people who, like, Tory Lanez is such a good example of somebody who, yeah, he may have lost in court. But he's playing the game of winning over people's hearts. and he's basically crafted a disinformation strategy for the ages. There are so many people who believe that there's essentially no evidence against Tory Lanez and that he is innocent. And for anyone who actually has paid attention to the case, having that perspective is fucking insane. But that is almost like a majority opinion in hip-hop.

1:10:20In hip-hop. Including the Drakes of the world, including the Aiden Rosses of the world. Yeah. Yeah, look, I ran to his dad. And everybody hates Meg. You know, let's be real. Meg? Meg Distan, she is not very well liked by the mainstream in hip hop. Well, I think women like her. Women like her, but like. Women like her. Even women. She's really one of the only women who's not wrapped up in this Cardian-Nikki war, really. That's true, right? Yeah. But I ran into his dad. Tori's dad. Right. What's his name? Sunstar. Sunstar, yeah, I think so. Yeah. And, you know, we had a conversation. And I told him, you know, he's like, oh, I heard that you've been saying something.

1:10:54I said, well, you know, this is what I said. and I felt that if he really didn't do it, he should have taken the stand because there's no way I'm going to go to jail over some bitch I just met that I'm fucking on the side that went and shot somebody. I was like, no, we know he couldn't do that. I said, no, I understand, but I wasn't going to change my story just because I'm standing. We're both very respectful towards each other. We've changed numbers and so forth. But remember that Peele was like, oh, Kelsey was a shooter and Tori hit her forearm and the gun dropped and fired twice. The gun dropped and fired twice?

1:11:32What type of Looney Tunes, Bugs Bunny shit are you guys trying to paint here? The gun dropped and it fired twice. But did his dad try to convince you at all? No, no, no, no. It wasn't that. Where we were, it was like a children's type of place. Really? Yeah. It was like us there with a bunch of kids. always so weird when you see like other hip-hop media personalities or whatever in those kind of environments like i said it was it was a and i don't want to say where it is not to put his business out there but it's a place where it was mostly children so two grown men arguing in front of a bunch of kids all of us would have felt stupid as hell like you know i mean i wasn't trying to do that i was super respectful and he was respectful you could tell you know listen no one wants to see their kid doing 10 years getting stabbed up it's horrible man and I don't have anything against Tory at all I just would always say it looks like he's going to go to prison over this and he tries to create this whole thing and this is the problem where when you think social media is behind you you think that's going to translate into a courtroom it didn't same thing with Diddy Diddy was booking speaking events next week because he thought oh, the media is on my side now.

1:12:49Look, everyone's on my side. Yeah, I didn't win, but I won most of the major, all the major charges, and now everyone thinks Cassidy's an asshole, and yeah, I'm getting out, I'm getting out. Book this, book that. I'm there, I'm there. And then they bring it up to the fucking judge, and it probably, and I asked Mathis, he said the judge potentially gave him more time just for that, just for that. Well, they tried to use it against him in sentencing, yeah. That's what I'm saying. They brought up in sentencing, and they couldn't deny that it actually happened. So the judge is probably like, okay.

1:13:23How much time do you think he should have got for that? I felt in this particular case, I mean, if you look at what he was convicted of, which is prostitution, I would say time served is fair. It's just fair. If you really want to prove a point, give him another year, right? Five years, was it four years, two months? That's excessive for what he was actually convicted of. But what Mathis brought up, which is, once again, this is why we're not good at certain jobs like being a lawyer and understand the legal system. He said, listen, even if Diddy gets convicted of just prostitution, the judge is going to look at what came out in that courtroom and they're going to adjust the time based on the other things.

1:14:15even though he wasn't convicted of them, it was confirmed that he beat on women. It was confirmed that he threatened people. It was confirmed that these women were suicidal at certain points. And, you know, there was drugs involved and so forth. There was enough there for him to say, I'm going to go towards an upper guideline of this particular situation. Yeah, I mean, I feel like it's a tricky one for us because this is a crime that as much as it is a federal offense, none of us have any kind of moral qualms with it like we all think buy some pussy exactly yeah he was buying dick like you know he was a dick buyer so i don't i don't fucking know and he his lawyer brought up some interesting he said you know mr combs is the only man in america who's in jail right now this episode is brought to you by google chrome you think you know a browser but gemini and chrome that's new it can help you with practically anything on the web like Restoring a Vintage Motorcycle from a 50-Page Restoration Block, or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks.

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1:15:54If you know your Verbo. We're hiring male prostitutes. There's literally no one else in jail in all of America. I hate that they were able to use all that shit against him because it just feels like the viral nature of this case got him more time in prison, which really feels like that is it's just not how this is supposed to go. But it did. And I mean, really, for me, I ultimately think like given what I thought was going to happen to him a year ago, I think they should be thankful. They probably will do another year and a half in prison and then get out. Like, I didn't think that this was such a verdict that he should have been dropping to the floor crying.

1:16:31if anything that made me feel like oh this is a guy who's still full of his own hubris and ego and and you know yeah i feel like if i was in his situation and i got probably another year and a half that i would have been fucking all right cool i can get back to life in a year and a half i feel like it's a w because i mean they were recommended 11 and yeah he was like facing like 50 to life so it was like at that point doing four more you know but he could have walked for what what did he do yeah i interviewed five of the male prostitutes and got the same story every single time cassie was a willing participant in a lot of cases she was the one that was actually fueling the situation same thing with you know jane doe like you know 50s baby mom it's the same shit like i remember interviewing uh don the dealer in your world he's dick dealer don not not necessarily in my world i wasn't familiar with this guy before i saw you interview him but The porn world.

1:17:28Yeah. But he's an actual... Oh, he's a porn star as well? Okay. Oh, no. He has a bunch of scenes. Got it. Right? And he was saying how Daphne was the one that just took control of the whole situation. She was like, you know, when he was explaining to her, she would like clap and got all happy. And then she would pick out his underwear and she would tell... She took over Diddy's role as like the director of the whole... Oh, you're going to do this and you're going to do that. And she was totally into it. But then on the stand, suddenly she's a victim. It's just like... it's just freaky sex. Have you been contacted by her team?

1:18:03Can you speak on that? I talked to someone that was working with her, but we didn't get too far in the conversation. I think what she was expecting was just a number that's not realistic in our world. Many such cases these days. Yeah, exactly. Okay, so you just recently went to the NBA Young Boys show, which I assume is your first time seeing him in concert. Obviously, this is basically the biggest concert series you could imagine, especially in terms of street rap at this point. Obviously, Drake and Kendrick are doing their thing, but for this kind of music, this is almost kind of unprecedented.

1:18:35Yeah, shout out to Academics. He was the one that brought me back there. Yeah, man, his team is dope. Shout out to Fee. Lil Tim was there. I got to meet Lil Tim for the first time. You had interviewed him remotely. Got it. It was remote. I didn't want to fly down to Savannah again for that particular interview. That's one that we turned down given how much heat we took for interviewing one of Pop Smoke's killers, which is a very different scenario, but at that point it felt like I don't really need to go through another round of this. Well, I think Tim acted in standard ground. 100 % agree. It was, if Tim had robbed King Von and killed him in the process, it would have been, I would have looked at it a little bit differently, but this was a self-defense situation.

1:19:25He was protecting his friend. They're outnumbered at a nightclub. They're outnumbered. The guy jumped on him. This guy is a self-professed serial killer. I would expect my security, who's sitting right over there, to do the same thing. It's unfortunate, but it's self-defense. I didn't really get a lot of, I don't think I'll be hanging out around Dirk's people like that, but then again, I heard Dirk is cool also with me because I interviewed his lawyer. Drew Finling had to get the okay from Dirk to do that interview. Right. And we did the interview. So I think that the pushback you got, I mean, I don't really have a problem with what you did, me personally.

1:20:05And I've said this publicly before. But I understand how everyone wants to be outraged and everyone wants to be mad at the news outlet for giving the person a platform. But they do want to hear the story. Whatever happened to him, I feel like he sort of faded away after that. I never saw anything really with him after that. I heard he got locked up again after that. You got a lot to begin? Yeah. Really? For what? I can't remember what it was for. I think he'd be out in like a year or so. He might have got out, but he's been laying low. He seemed like he wasn't 100 % there to begin with, though.

1:20:34He seemed like he was drugged. Just a child. Drugged out. Yeah, I think he was off perks. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. He seemed like he was drugged out. I think it really stands out to me, too, that there's like a New York and LA have some pretty intense cultural differences. and as much as we're all Americans and as much as there's no explicit beef between the coasts, I do think that some people in New York just kind of have a hard time understanding what L.A. is like and understanding that that kid, Blockstar, that he's basically a celebrity in L.A. at this point, regardless of how he got there.

1:21:11And in L.A., the gang culture is such that this kid was going to be a huge interest. And he was going to appear on some platform regardless, one way or another. And I think to like - I was out for the interview. Right. And I think to a lot of New Yorkers, they just don't understand being a young kid from Hoover who catches a famous body is enough to basically elevate you to the status of being a minor celebrity in the LA street world. And I did the interview regardless of the fact that I had judgments about him. And I think that there's nothing wrong with interviewing people who've done horrible things.

1:21:48I interviewed one of the guys that was involved in the murder of Michael Jordan's father. Yeah. I mean, I didn't know a plug back in the day. Right? Me and Charlamagne had a falling out over that interview, which we ultimately fixed. But look, at the end of the day, not everyone could pull this off. Like, to sit down with someone and seriously talk to them about a horrific event and get them to open up and do it in a way that is still respectful. It's not easy, man. It's not easy, but I feel that these types of interviews are important in the grand scheme of things. At the end of the day, that interview is part of Pop Spokes' story.

1:22:29Would you interview the guy who killed Charlie Kirk a couple years from now? I would do the interview today. What's your thought process on that? It's noteworthy. It's newsworthy. Timothy McVeigh got interviewed who was way worse than this guy. Timothy McVeigh bombed a federal building and killed I believe hundreds of people. There was a daycare center in there. And he got interviewed. So why would this be somehow worse? Would you have interviewed Osama Bin Laden? 100%. Just because somebody did something fucked up does not mean they're off limits. He got interviewed like in his cave. Like in Afghanistan or whatever the hell he was.

1:23:12Yeah, like 2020 or something. Someone went up, had to go on donkeys, go up to risk their own lives. Yo, I mean, we really... When I look at my history of interviewing people, I've risked my life at various times to do this job. Things have gone... I've had guns pointed at the camera. There's been drive-bys in the vicinity of me doing stuff when I used to just go out on location to people's blocks and people's studios and so forth. I sat down with people that, you know, like I remember what's his name. I never put this out, but 03 Greedo. I did his last interview before he got locked up. And he was on edge.

1:23:57He was about to do 20 years or something. Ended up being five. But yeah, we all thought it was going to be 20, yeah. It was going to be some heinous amount. And I had mentioned someone's name. it was someone that he didn't get along with and he said I don't want to talk about him and I was trying to tell him that I just interviewed him he spoke nicely about him to try to somehow de-escalate this and Greedo snapped he was just like motherfucker I told you I didn't want to talk about this shit fuck this interview I'm a gangster I didn't want to be here blah blah blah I apologize my bad I'm sorry You know, like, I remember that was the day I said I'm bringing security for people that I don't really know.

1:24:46That was the turning point. Big E, you can thank 03 Greedo for this. That was the day because I remember at that moment I'm like, things can go left right now. Yeah. Things can go left. He kind of doesn't give a fuck right now. I mean, what's an extra assault based on whatever the fuck he's facing at this point? Right. It's whatever. So, yeah. Things went bad because I tried to push the envelope a little bit with someone that didn't want to be pushed on that particular day. Yeah. Right. So, yeah, man. I mean, but who would not tune in and watch the interview with Charlie Crook's killer? Who would not watch that right now?

1:25:27Right now, we could probably beat out the Super Bowl. with that interview. You know what I'm saying? For sure, especially with Bad Bunny on there. You can't understand any of the words. Or the Charlie Kirk killer interview. We'll edit this in, but was Othegredo's freak out there? Was it more intense than this? Stuboy Blue pulls up to no jumper with raw LA energy and nearly loses it when Adam 22 brings up Nipsey Hussle. Who actually put you on to the music hustle? Who, Nip? What did Nip represent to you? There was nothing nigga. That was my big homie nigga. What you mean nigga? I'm create. Well, why do you think I hit you so hard?

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1:26:47that's the most intense one that i think i've dealt with yeah no it wasn't that he was just and you know what's funny is that afterwards I actually talked about that with him we laughed it off I was like what I was trying to say he was like yeah I know man I'm just I'm going through it right now you know we literally laughed it off afterwards so it didn't end badly and we kept going with the interview right but yeah shit happens it is what it is if you're trying to create the highest level content and I feel like even like I feel like I'm still competing. I don't feel like I'm just like, yeah, you know, what the young boy's doing, and I'm chilling, and I'm just doing occasionally.

1:27:28Nah, I'm still trying to hit home runs with what I do. So yeah, Charlie Curtis Killer, you're listening? You can't pull up because you're currently locked up, but tap in, maybe. I'll have to go to you. I doubt they'll let me bring the cameras. The world would be better off if there was a three-hour Adolf Hitler interview. like a Vlad TV quality Hitler interview where you could watch it and look at his face. You could see the crystal meth. You could see the agitation. You know, like that would be, obviously, there's clear reasons why it shouldn't exist. You have a dog in the fight also. But, I mean, in general, I think if you could observe him for who he really was, that would be one of the most important documents in recorded human history.

1:28:14Yeah, I mean, people still read his book. People watch his speeches. Yeah. I mean, I don't I don't understand the need to try to hide certain things. Now there are people that I just don't really want to talk to. Did you just interview Fleece Johnson? I did and he takes issue with the fact that you basically called him a rapist. He said that he never took anything that wasn't given to him. Really? We can do it the easy way or we can do it the hard way. They always chose the easy way. Well, see. Really? That's not rape? Rape is the hard way. That's not. No. It's rape both ways. It's rape both ways.

1:29:02The interview itself is insane, but he said that he would sit down with a guy that he was interested in, and he would show them porn, and he would show them a penis going in a vagina, and he would say, that's not that different than what I'm going to do to you. and at some point this would start to resonate what i'm gonna do to you a lot of times these guys get fucked by the pussy these guys are so they're so young they've never had sex so they're going into prison and they're this is all a mystery to them they don't really know what they're missing out on they don't know what they like i agree it's super fucked up but i thought it was a story worth telling give me a headache right now i mean i mean he he was taking ass in prison like he was taking people's ass he said he wasn't taking it he said he was giving he was giving it really so now so so explain the old interview he said he was kind of like trolling fucking around okay yeah well you know i'm gonna take that at face value so that's what it is i mean he's trying to rate me at one point so you know it is what it is i got the sense that he was feeling me out to be his next sissy as well yeah yeah kind of felt a little flirtatious but he also told me he had looked up my wife and that he really wanted to fuck her He's married.

1:30:14He has a female wife. Yeah, I heard about this. You got to wonder what's going on with her. Who is she? She's not grossed out by, not easily grossed out, let's say that. She's not terribly concerned with her husband's past. I mean, look, there was a whole Boondocks episode about this. That's what I'm saying. And he was pissed off about it. Yeah, I mean, this is why I even considered doing it because I was on the Boondocks. Right. So people connect me with the whole Boondocks thing. And I'm like, okay, please don't. But I thought, yeah, he was trolling also. But we looked into the background. It's not trolling.

1:30:48The dude is a rapist. And like I said, the easy way or the hard way, you're raping somebody. You're just telling them not to resist because it'll be violent. It'll be a violent rape. Well, but you're kind of assuming that he was threatening them. He says that he wasn't. So I feel like I have to take his word for it. Really? Well, I don't have to, but I choose to. I'm trying to get a second interview. This is low. Yeah, listen, I just chose not to interview him because just a male rapist, that's just not, that's all he's known for to me. Like, right? Like, he's a male rapist. Like, I don't interview dudes that rape females.

1:31:28That's all they're known for. Like, you know, I can imagine if, you know, like, for example, like you see people that have been accused of shit, you know, like a Trey Songz, but Trey Songz has a whole. There's other reasons to interview him. He has a real talent, a real musical career and so forth. And then maybe we might touch on that. But Fleece Johnson is just a rapist. He's the famous rapist. Vlad, if you robbed a liquor store, would you post it on Instagram? No. If you robbed somebody for their basketball, would you post it on Instagram? No. Like 6ix9ine making the extremely long drawn out point that he didn't know that girl in the video was underage.

1:32:10That was one of the funniest parts of that interview. I hate to keep going back to it. It's part of a bigger story. Yeah. But just the fact that he felt like he needed to use up so much of the interview, repeating that was so funny to me. That's the whole part where he was trying to justify beating up Sarah Molina. Yeah. I was just like, well, what if your friend did this? And then I'm like, I could leave. Yeah. The beating up of the girl part doesn't really, is not the next logical step. Right? It's not the only path. Yeah. out so whatever 6-9 gonna be 6-9 so just to go back to the young boy show um you got to meet bird man for the first time yeah anything else stand out to you about being in that environment at that crazy of a show let's talk about all right the moment that three of them walked up on you academics yeah it was looking like they wanted smoke like uh there's like memes uh og3 young boy's brother they walked up on you guys pretty aggressively but they said what's up but there's The clip was going around.

1:33:08He walks up all fast and aggressively, and then you guys kind of had that conversation, and then you realize that's just how he's walking around. You didn't see him hugging me? No, afterwards, yeah. You could see I had a... Yeah, no, no. But there was a clip that academics posted where it looked like, it was like, what the fuck, why were they walking so aggressive? Oh, I didn't catch that at all. Me and him, at the point, me and him saw each other. He was like, oh, shit, because we hadn't seen each other since our last interview. His mouth had diamonds all in his mouth. he seemed super happy he was like hella happy to see me that's all I saw I'm just being honest I have no idea about all this other you'll see the clip after you watch okay yeah nah man it was a great show it was what about the energy that you seen from the fans like how did did you expect that fans were great man fans were great a lot of them asked for pictures yeah it was just a lot of love man it was a lot of love no not even from you just like how his fans nah his fans nah man it was a great show yeah super good It was a great show, great energy.

1:34:08It was great to see him doing his thing with all, if you look at all the times he stumbled on the way to get here, right? It's like he's been a hot rapper forever, but he's just always in jail or on house arrest, and more shit happens along the way. And he goes back in and, you know, gets caught with the prescription drugs and this, that, and the third. he could have been touring like this for five years right easy easy because remember i only just started seeing him do like clubs and then suddenly all the legal problems started so although i wonder to what extent these tours would still be as huge five years from now if he just consistently keep doing it because so much of this the excitement about it was the fact that he hadn't been able to tour for such a long time well young boy got this really like there's a A couple songs of his that I like, but I'm not a super big Youngboy fan, just to be honest.

1:35:05No Smoke, like I love. I'm the same way. I like a bunch of the songs, but do I have the encyclopedic knowledge of his catalog the way that we do about a Jay-Z or a Drake? No. I don't. In fact, his project with Quando is my favorite project that he's put out. Oblog hater. What? You're an Oblog hater. I'm not an Oblog hater. That's an Oblog diss album. Is it? Yeah. The whole album? I mean, kind of. Youngboy was mad at the label for putting it out Because he had gone through this transformation At that time I had no idea I'm not as intricate with this shit I understand I have interviewed dudes from O 'Block He says O 'Block pack get rolled up on the album Okay A little in your face But yeah It was interesting to see And I'm not really outside like that So interacting with everyone And I ran into Toosie again.

1:36:00That was dope. What was it? Got to meet D-Baby for the first time. And his manager was super happy to see me. And was really super respectful. And talking about putting some shit together. Ran into Offset. Didn't seem like he really wanted to talk to me. Really? Yeah. I was like, because we were all kind of walking by. And I'm like, oh, Vlad Vlad. He's like, yeah, yeah, I know who you are. He wasn't like, he just said it just like that. I'm not going to do nothing, but yeah. I see. You exist. I know you are, and I'm like. That's interesting. That's that. That's the end of our conversation. It's weird with somebody like Offset, because you or I have probably had so many conversations about Offset that I have no idea if I said anything offensive.

1:36:42What did he see? What did he not see? I have no fucking clue. I don't know, man. So when I got that reaction, I just kept it moving. I was like meeting a burr man, because you said I talked for years. Yeah, for two years. I could show you. for two years we've been texting. He reached out to me first. This was after the Terrence Gangster Williams interview. And he reached out to me and he said he wanted to do something. But we've never done it. Every time we've talked about doing it, he hasn't given me a solid time. But if I text him, he'll hit me back, right, like within an hour. Or if I want to get on the phone with him, we'll get on the phone.

1:37:17We just have never been in the same room. So walking in, he didn't know that I was coming. I mean, academics just brought me, you know, just brought me along. And he was like, and you can see the video. He's like, is that how I think it is? Vlad? I'm like, what's up? It was like an actual, real, like, a fuck would you hug. Like, and then just, because I just have always admired him. This to me is the greatest pure hip hop CEO of all time. He's never deviated from the music. He's always been about the music and really nothing else. and continued to stay hot and stay at the top level really the whole time, even through today.

1:38:00But then he's generation now, even with young boys. Now we got young boy. Nicky, Drake. Hot boys. Hot boys. Wayne, Juvenile. He became the rapper at one point. No, I 100 % agree with you. So no one has done, look, Diddy's phenomenal, but he started making really a lot of his money in liquor and fashion. Yep. Jay-Z. Jay-Z has not, you know, really has not fucked with the music in a while and really hasn't even signed artists. I mean, I guess Meg Thee Stallion's the last one they probably signed, but... And that's a management company. That's really a management company, right? Like, he hasn't really, you don't see Jay, like, at the shows.

1:38:39Like, Birdman was really there. He was right there on the side of the stage with a little folding chair, just chilling. Do you, okay, because Academics has interviewed Youngboy, I think, twice. full length interviews that then, I don't know what the reason was, but at some point Birdman told him, hey, I would like you to not put that interview out. For me it's very hard for me to imagine going through the process of preparing for that interview, doing that interview and then not putting it out. How would you feel if you sat down and did a two, three hour interview with Birdman and then he asked you not to release it?

1:39:15I mean, it would hurt. I'm not going to say it's no problem but at the end of the day you have to look where you are with the relationship right if you have a real relationship then there are moments like that that are going to happen right if this is someone who doesn't really fuck with you then it's whatever you see what I'm saying then it's like well we're just doing business here right because if I could just drop one of those it would have been great for him but then for sure him seeing him backstage at the Young Boy concert probably wouldn't have been a great vibe him and Birdman probably would not have a relationship I was there in that you know in that bus because Ak walked me up in there now I have Birdman's number I could have called him but we were not talking leading up to it that was all academics man shout out to academics I feel like people like to paint him a certain type of way man he's just a cool motherfucker that really has done good business you know has been transparent and really got to where he is through really just his own efforts.

1:40:22Nobody put him there. Nobody helped him out. He developed his own relationships. I think he keeps it honest with the people. He's not just going to be someone's cheerleader just because he fucks with them. If they fuck up, he's going to report on that as well. Yeah, man, I'm definitely thankful for the relationship we have. There's a new academics interview out right now on Vlad TV. When I'm in New York, we rock with each other. Were you there when Jim Jones accosted academics? I was right there, yeah. I was literally. Oh, so that was the same New York show. What was the vibe? It was New Jersey.

1:40:53New Jersey, yeah. What was the vibe, and were you worried at a moment? Well. And did you say hi to Jim Jones? I feel like he might give you the cold shoulder as well. I'll tell you the whole story. Okay. Did you know Sam's Club isn't a store? It's actually a club with cool finds and, like, a whole community. It's a club. Of course, Jason. It's in the name. Sam's Club. Oh, yeah. Come join us. Sam's Club. At ZocDoc, we know being a healthy adult is like living in a video game. Every day has side quests, taxes, laundry, birthdays. And just when you're leveling up, you have to book a doctor. The insurance portal crashes.

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1:42:15I think we might have been doing the DVD days. I don't think we ever had a really serious sit-down interview, but I was fucking with French Montana, and he was into it with Jim Jones because of the whole Max B situation. So I asked French. There was a couple interviews where he's talking about the whole beef with Jim, and he goes into detail and so forth. So I guess Jim did like that. I remember this one time. I don't even know if Jim watches this. I don't know if he'll remember this or not, But I was at BET to do something. And I was back. I was in the green room, and Dipset was there. And me and Juells were cool.

1:42:51We had done a few interviews. I would go to his studio and film out there. So me and him kind of had a relationship. I think Freaky Ziki was there, and we were cool. And some of the other Dipset dudes were there. And Jim Jones comes in, and he goes, shakes everyone's hands, shakes everyone's hands. He puts his hand out. When I put it up, he goes like this. And then walks out.

1:43:13That was the last time I saw Jim Jones. That right there. What year are you talking? Oh, my God. Pre-2010? Yeah, maybe 2009. Okay. Something like that. Yeah. Yeah, it was close to the time I launched Lat-TV. 2008, 2009, maybe 10. Right. Yeah, maybe 10 at the latest, right? So since that time, I'd seen Jim leave some negative comments about me and something like that. and we had talked about doing an interview and we have this guy that we know in common, but it never, you know, for whatever reason, we never even got to step one. So it's like, you know, I assume Jim just doesn't fuck with me like that, right?

1:43:54And I've seen Jim spaz out on people, so I'm not trying to be around that, right?

1:44:02So that happens. So this whole thing with academics happens right in front of me, right? And I see him talking to Jim and then Jim starts getting kind of like aggressive with him. And Ak has his security right there with him. I actually didn't have security with me. I just was just going to rock with Ak's security. Piggybacking my face. I was just piggybacking. I don't usually do that, but I felt like I don't really got beef with no one here. Like I should be cool here. And you're not expecting to see Jim Jones in this environment anyway. Not necessarily. But like I said, I don't have beef with Jim Jones.

1:44:34I just remember the whole hand thing and a couple of the comments, right? So Jim is like talking to Act and he's kind of like aggressive about it, but in Act security, he's like right there. I remember at one point, Jim, oh, is this your man? Yeah, or something. So he just, but Jim had a bunch of people with him also. So I was sort of standing kind of behind Act, you know, because it's like if all hell broke loose, then I would try to help him. You know, I'm not his security. I wasn't trying to be like right there on Jim, but I'm like, okay, if all hell breaks loose, I'm behind Act. and I'll try to get someone off of them or something to the best of my ability, right?

1:45:10But they have the conversation and then they walk away from each other, right? So I'm like, I don't want to have this kind of conversation with Jim right now. So I just fall back, right? But then at one point, he kind of like reaches over to me because I think that someone's like, oh, that's Vlad right there. He reaches over to you. He pulls out his hand and to shake my hand, I shake his hand. Jim did. Jim did. Got it. So, you know what I'm saying? I wanted to tell you the other part of the story to say that he actually reached out to me to shake my hand, which I thought was cool. But I still wasn't sure where his head was at, so I didn't want to follow up with the conversation.

1:45:49I'm like, I'll just leave it with a handshake and keep it moving. Keep it moving because it's like Jim just seemed kind of high strung. You see what I'm saying? Jim and Ak coming face to face is like different eras of hip hop coming face to face. because Jim comes from an era where the streets are the most important thing. Who's the toughest is the most important thing. And Ak comes from an era where that is completely irrelevant and he's not really worried about you punching him in his shit because, one, he's with security. He feels like he's welcome here. This is his environment, so he's going to be good.

1:46:21Also, I don't know that Ak would necessarily sue Jim Jones, but it's definitely a possibility. I don't know that Ak would necessarily talk to the cops about Jim Jones punching him in the shit, but he definitely might. and so so many of these things that matter to jim are just completely irrelevant to act i think i would talk to the police why would he not if the police asked him what happened i think yeah he punched me there's a million cameras probably capturing i don't know that that act is going to you know go down to the precinct and do an interview about it i feel like he doesn't really have a lot to gain from that and i think he's very conscious of the image and i think that in general hip-hop would clown him mercilessly and i feel like he might not see himself having anything to gain from it.

1:47:00He cooperated ACT cooperated with the feds he gave them the video of 6ix9ine robbing those dudes the whole 6ix9ine rappel out robbery thing that happened ACT cooperated with the police but that's kind of like them coming to him asking for information that he could easily turn over as opposed to him sort of you know if you want to press charges against somebody for beating you up at a concert you kind of got to go out of your way to do so I'm not sure the ACT would necessarily see a reason to do so. Or police would go to him and say, do you want to press charges? We're ready to take a statement.

1:47:33I feel like Ack might not do it, but maybe it will. I don't know. If he did it, do you think it'd make a difference? I don't think so. I think it would almost make him bigger. And that's the thing is I think to Ack, it would just be content. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He would live stream him giving the statement to the police. Everyone tuned into that shit. I'll do it. Think about that. If Ack said, okay, I'll make a statement, but I want to live stream the whole thing. Police will be like, alright, who cares? we'll get a conviction out of this. You can't say that's not what I said. It's right there for the world to see.

1:48:06I don't think it matters. It really doesn't. Now, I'm not saying you should do that. I'm saying, you know, at the end of the day, but, you know, there might be a civil lawsuit. But Jim's mom was there. Young boy's mom was there, too. They're, like, hanging out together. I don't think Jim's ready to crash in that environment. Over what? Over ACK maybe? I guess he interviewed 6ix9ine or he interviewed people who talked shit about him but really it's not like Ak was running this months long Jim Jones hate campaign in which maybe I could see Jim losing it over that yeah I mean Ak basically mentioned something that I agree with is that is you know as Jim continues his career right like I've always thought that what Jim has pulled off has been impressive because this is someone that did not start off as a rapper he was just part of Cam's crew but Jwell's was like the next rapper up and Jim was just there and his rap career has kind of outlasted the actual rappers from Diplomats in a way yeah I mean think about it he has the biggest song out of Dipset period name a song better than Ballin Oh Boy Big Song Hey Ma or Ballin Ballin was doing Ringtone Era too so that year I mean basketball games It was a whole movement around ballin'.

1:49:28Yeah. Hey Ma was a good song. I feel like I'm still giving it to... I'm telling you ballin' is bigger than Hey Ma. That's what I'm saying. So he went and got the biggest song. It's a song he tore off forever, but... Okay, but in the modern era, Hey Ma has like 13 times the views that We Fly High does. Oh wait, that's We Fly High. That's not ballin'. Where is ballin'? That is We Fly High. Oh, it is. That's the official title, right. So ballin' has how many streams? 4.6 million No We fly high 60 million for Hey Ma Those are on YouTube We can go look at Spotify also I feel like I hear Hey Ma still to this day And it's such a huge hit

1:50:16Whoops I guess I gotta look at Cameron's Account hey ma 200 and 201 million plays on spotify yeah 201 okay so so go to uh jim jones jim jones 47 million so it's you know five times or four times bigger on spotify all right well clearly clearly I was wrong. Well, I mean, but in terms of charts, you're right, I think. Well, I don't know. Hey Mom might have... I don't think it was the number one song. Well, listen. Big song from someone that didn't start as a rapper. Yeah. Great job. And I feel like he continued to sort of stay in the public eye and people still fuck with him. Seems like he's probably always on tour and so forth.

1:51:08I just think that the thing is, is that, I think Ak mentioned this in my last interview, was that if you don't really embrace just the non-personal nature of what media does more people want to work with you when you're confronting people and this is the image that you see like I said I kept my distance especially after seeing that right? I'm like I'm not trying to get into it with Jim Jones this could have him doing that but let's just say that it was the other way oh shit, what's up, what's up, act, whatever, oh, Vlad, yo, come on, come fuck with me. This could turn into Jim being a regular guest on Vlad TV and making whatever, hundreds of thousands of dollars over the years and possibly getting a lot of opportunities.

1:51:56Like for example, lots of other opportunities. Like for example, out of the blue, a couple of my interviews with Aerie Spears went crazy on TikTok. Have you noticed that? No, I don't really look at TikTok. You noticed it? Yeah, I've seen it. I've seen it on Twitter quite a bit. But on TikTok, it went ballistic. Yeah, it's a thing. And all my old interviews, now all the streams have gone up on the full interviews. So it's like you suddenly have your, you know, now, because Aries is performing in Saudi Arabia right now. Oh, he did that shit? Comedy festival, yeah. You got to press him on that. Yeah, this is how you see people that really take social media and take interviews or whatever seriously.

1:52:39you see them elevating like that. If they offered you a million dollars to go do a live podcast or interview or something for the Saudi Arabian government I'd do it for free. If they want to fly me out and put me up and we work something out. Regardless of the human rights offenses and what not? I mean at the end of the day these are not democracies. Right? Have you been to like Dubai and places like that? No. I've been to Dubai. I've been to Egypt. I've been to Bahrain. I've been to Jordan. I've been to Israel. You go to these places, these are kingdoms with one king. So at the end of the day, whatever he decides is really how it goes.

1:53:28There's no freedom of speech. You can't say, fuck the king of Dubai. They will lock you the fuck up. Because Tim Dillon was booked to perform at this comedy show, and then he made a bunch of jokes on his podcast about the human rights atrocities that they've all been involved with and that was basically enough for them to uninvite him. Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. Why would we pay you if you're going to be dissing our country? Because they're paying you to whitewash their history. I think that I don't think that. I think that Saudi Arabia has a lot of fucking money right now and they're trying to figure out what to do for the next hundred years when the oil starts to run out.

1:54:08And part of it is to create, and this is what Dubai is doing as well. I was out in Dubai, and I kind of learned a lot about this stuff. They're trying to create the Las Vegas of the Middle East. They're trying to have this be a major tourist destination as opposed to just we just make a bunch of oil and have a bunch of oil money because the oil will ultimately run out, or people will shift into other forms of energy, right? Not overnight, but over the course. They're looking at this hundreds of years in the future. So this is why they're doing the football. I mean, not the football, they're doing boxing events there.

1:54:40They just bought EA, Electronic Arts. Yeah. $55 billion. Well, they created their own golf league and then merged with the PGA. But when I say they're whitewashed in their history, it's like they know how they're viewed by Americans. They know that America generally views them as monsters, and they're trying to do anything possible to show, like, oh, no, we're fine, we're okay. Which, if that also includes them no longer murdering journalists, that would be great yeah if they're going to continue to murder journalists and whatnot and then and you know throw gay people off the roofs of buildings and all this type of shit i mean for me personally i feel like i would go do it and i would get paid and i would come back and i would talk shit about it and i would tell people exactly what my experience was like the problem is is that you have somebody like dave chappelle or uh no bill burr is one of the people who's been getting the most shit for it because he's such a beloved comedian but then he goes there and he one of the reasons why he gave when talking about how nice Saudi Arabia is, he's just like, there's a Starbucks, there's a McDonald's, like this is a great place people are getting along, it's like well that kind of hides some of the secrets but I mean, on the same way a lot of foreigners could maybe use that same logic, granted the US government is not like flying people out to do podcasts or comedy shows, but if somebody was to reject the USA because they funded Israel destroying Gaza, then I guess I would understand that logic too but everyone's going to find something to get upset about at the end of the day I talked to Aries and he wouldn't tell me how much he got paid through the show like I really tried to get the number out of him and me and him have business together so it's not like I'm just in someone's pockets like yo I pay you to do my you know my show so tell me how much you made he's like yo it was a nice amount I heard it was 10 times what they normally get right I don't know if that's an oversimplification but he gets 5 that turns into 50 you know I feel like I need 10 that becomes 100 yeah I feel like I'm gonna need six figures to go to the Middle East generally speaking really yeah man Dubai was cracking I'm actually trying to go to Saudi Arabia my man Napoleon from the Outlaws he lives out there yeah absolutely you can go out there I'm not going out there absolutely man Dubai was cracking yeah yeah Dubai was a level of luxury that you you know really don't see very much yeah that's part of what I really don't find that interesting but also No weed while you're out there, huh?

1:57:05No, not at all. Does that hurt you in your heart? No, nah. Maybe I'm a real addict because that sounds horrible to me. I could go without weed. Yeah. When I travel abroad, I don't fuck around. I don't try to end up in a foreign prison somewhere because I don't know what the fuck I'd walk into there. Yeah, I also have never flown into a variety of different countries with marijuana on me. Yeah. I'd like to say that that is something I've never done. Yeah. No, it's not that serious. I am not that addicted to weed. Yeah. Okay. Where do you think we should go with this? What do you think about Young Thug selling 52 copies?

1:57:3952 ,000 copies first week. WL? I think that's an L for Young Thug. I think with all the anticipation around him coming out, it almost could have been like a... Think about Tupac coming out of California Love. Out on bail, fresh out of jail. California Dreamin' It could have been some shit like that If it was some huge smash record Or for example when T.I. Got out of prison he started dropping smashes I mean he can't outsell Gunna at this point And everyone was waiting on his cosign For Gunna's career to go forward And now it's like Didn't Gunna like adjust someone's Was it the whole runway thing?

1:58:27The jacket? But that was a thug thing originally And then Gunna basically recreated it but was that sort of like a mocking at you like just like a ha ha that's what people were saying I'm gonna do your shit now that's an interesting technique instead of like wholeheartedly going at your op you just do little things to parody them yeah just kind of poke the bear a little bit we're so used to approaching drama directly yeah I like responding to shit I feel like Gunna is influenced by Cardi I feel like Gunna looks at Cardi and realizes It's like, oh, mystery is going to be my best friend in this next stage of my career.

1:59:06Playboy Cardi? Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. You don't know shit about Playboy Cardi. Exactly. But therefore, you see a photo of him. You see a tweet. You see anything. And he has such a big fan base. You're just on it. It's super fascinating. Right. You got the chick with the face tattoo. That's all you really know. Yeah. And also part of - Iggy Azalea wants to spill out. Like, what could Gunnar really just say anyway that people - Like, if you just keep the music - Oh, shit. You can say a lot. Yeah. But at the end of the day, he's not the most interesting person. Yeah, I've never interviewed him. Mystery, I think, is good for him.

1:59:38It's good. It's good because he keeps people wanting more. If I'm going to, I am not doing a two-hour Vlad TV interview. Yeah. I don't think that that is what he needs. I mean, that was Young Thug also until he started doing all these new interviews. And seeing Young Thug on the back foot being defensive and reactive is probably the most aura draining thing in all of this. Yeah, I feel like you don't have the same young thug anymore. If they had leaked all that shit and then he had put out an album and sort of defiantly boasted and laughed at his haters, I feel like it would have came off differently.

2:00:14This is like middle-aged thug now. This is like the guy that's... It was like he was... I was talking about the old days. Yeah. It was like he was forcing to drop an album just because of all the controversy. I don't know. I don't feel like this was the one. didn't Lucci outsell them? Lucci hasn't dropped yet oh yeah but they did do a song together okay but I thought Lucci was supposed to okay nevermind Lucci album out I think Lucci album was out yeah did it drop? yeah I thought it came out the same day it came out the same day oh I didn't even know that wow that's actually fucking bad if I didn't even know it came out god damn yeah nah they dropped the same day 27k first week which you would think that Lucci?

2:00:53yeah so that's actually almost exactly half which I would think that Young Thug should be doing more than twice what Lucci does. Young Thug was kind of a bigger artist than Lucci. By far. Yeah, way bigger. Young Thug was... No, it's not even close. I fuck with Lucci, but I'm just saying. He had hits, but as far as the cult fan base, not as much. Yeah, and he had all the focus on trial as well, more so than Lucci. Lucci was going through a parallel trial, but everyone was really talking about Young Thug. Young Thugs. Yeah. Another thing that came from the Young Thug thing, which we're kind of talking about now, is Lucci and Thug actually squashing beef.

2:01:32Great. And actually being in the club. Good. Being friends. Love it. Love it. What's the alternative? We sound like the alternative. All right, so Woody. War forever. Yeah, yeah. We've seen the alternative. It's not good. But while I said Woody, he believes that Young Thug and Lucci are fake for squashing the beef. Okay. Because all the beef and shit led to a lot of people either being dead or in jail. Yeah, I mean, the whole beef was retarded, honestly. To let it get to that extent, especially when they were making real money at that point, is brain dead. Whoever was actively doing it at the time, and I don't know at this point, I don't think it matters, but to come together and say, we're still going to be in the same overall city.

2:02:24We're going to probably keep running into each other. Yeah. Do we really want to keep going this way? I don't see a reason why this is not the best possible situation. Imagine if FBG Duck squashed it. Who was the king of O 'Block? King Vaughn. King Vaughn. Okay, there we go. Imagine if FBG Duck and King Von said, we're going to publicly do a song together and say, fuck all that old shit. And no one's going to see this coming. We're just going to drop it. And everyone's going to lose their shit. It's going to be the biggest shit either one of us did. And that will bring the temperature down to the whole situation where, oh, I just seen Duck over the Prada store.

2:03:15He cool, man. from the mask I'm like, nah, fuck all that. You see what I'm saying? How he could have just totally transformed the situation completely.

2:03:27There's always a good reason to do that. Russia and Ukraine have been at war many years now. Right. If they reach an agreement, it's like, I'm sure there would be people saying this, but overall, I think that the future benefits of peace outweigh the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of families who are mourning their children who died as soldiers in this war, I think that ultimately you have to say, yes, it's terrible that they died, but peace now is enough for us to move on past that. I mean, peace is always the best solution. Yeah. Every single time. There always has to be some way to achieve that.

2:04:10I mean, look, like, how much do we really benefit beefing with people just in general like think about if me and you just didn't fuck with each other just disliked each other like Rory doesn't like me it's very one sided because I really don't know Rory I think he was taking it for Joe initially then after Joe fired him he just felt maybe he needed to stand on that afterwards also hating on Vlad or hating on Ag is almost the kind of thing that people just start doing without thinking about it because there's times where that's just the trendy opinion. Everyone should do it, right? But think about if we just didn't fuck with each other and would take shots at each other every so often and celebrate each other's speed bumps when they happen as opposed to how much we benefited from fucking with each other.

2:05:04Not only just on a business level, but on a personal level and so forth. it was like yo like what are the pluses on the beef side is that i might go a little extra viral every so often yeah but it's not anything that's gonna make or break anything it's just a little blip on the radar but it's especially not advantageous to you as the bigger content creator because in this space everybody wants each other's space and so for a smaller content creator oftentimes talking about bigger content creators is the only way that they can get attention obviously Rory's got his own fan base but for him to take shots at Vlad does more for him even though I would say that it does almost nothing for him than it does for you for you to punch down is really an evident waste of your time well but originally it was done on Joe Bunn's podcast true which is you and Joe is more of a fair fight yeah I mean you could even argue that Joe was bigger you know around that time you know you could even argue that he's bigger now it is what it is we all have our following and it's kind of unique but yeah, I don't know, man.

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2:07:11You know, running into Joe and just saying what's up to him and shaking hands and keeping it moving and both of us mentioning that interaction in our own way and having a consistent story doesn't mean we got to work together. but, you know, the people that I do work with, I feel is sort of a lot of the reason why I am where I am is because I maintain these types of relationships. Like, honestly, it's at the point where live TV is just kind of like pure relationships now. You know, like, for example, like D.L. Hughley is going to do my show tomorrow. That's just, it's just a relationship. Like, me and him are actually friends, and we do this every so often.

2:07:49Yeah. And... this is sort of, to me, kind of the core of what I am and what I do. So when I have people that just like, yeah, fuck you and so forth, when they actually have something to bring to the table, Rory does have an audience. Rory does have a following. There's probably certain things that I could learn from him, but instead there's like a whole fuck you stance. It's just like, all right. That doesn't quite make sense. So I hope that Ukraine and Russia work shit out. It seems like Hamas and Israel are kind of getting close to something. They're talking about giving all the hostages back.

2:08:29At that point, it seemed like it would be reasonable for Israel to stop what they were doing. And I hope that it does because the alternative is what? People keep getting killed. Yeah, millions of fatalities more than hundreds of thousands. oh i should know what the numbers are right now it's not millions no but i mean it'll get there if it keeps going hundreds of thousands it's definitely the thousands it's a fucked up situation all around and i've spoken about it publicly multiple times you know i still have the same stance how many dead in ukraine versus russia just so we can yeah i mean hundreds of thousands would be a lot how many dead including soldiers and civilians um

2:09:25um civilian deaths in ukraine 14k military deaths in the uk 50 to 100k and russia 100 to 200k so in total maybe 300 to 400 which is obviously that's insane it's like a whole city just gone. Some people sent me screenshots of you at the NBA Young Boy concert. It appeared that a woman was embracing you, wrapping her arms around you at one point. I know you as someone who has always kept their family life, their private life completely out of the public realm and it seems like that's worked out pretty good for you over the years. But that did stand out to me, that this might be indicative of maybe a new era in your life?

2:10:14I don't know. Who knows? Who knows? Okay. So that wasn't anything specific. That was just how your night was going. Great night. Great night. Good vibes at the Young Boys concert. It was a great night. It seemed like a great night. I FaceTimed you later on and it seemed like you were having a great night. Absolutely. Good to know. good enough um okay i'm trying to figure out what's the most imperative yeah let's roll that click click that uh oh actually no because we are not getting audio out of this for some reason you want to do you want to ask about the the bad bunny tweet that i had yeah yeah we can fire that up too yeah let's do that okay so do you feel like you've learned anything that changed how you view bad bunny as the super bowl pick since your uh take on it initially went viral and it was kind of funny for me to see you saying that because that was almost exactly what i had been saying about it at the time as well and i feel like you speak for a silent majority on that one yeah well because everyone wants to be like extra woke and be like i listen to everything i listen to foreign music and there's some instrumental stuff jazz but But ask any non-Spanish speaking person their favorite Bad Bunny song.

2:11:38I can't even watch. See what I'm saying? Okay, well, yeah. I can't even watch. There you go. Everyone in this room, y 'all got a favorite Bad Bunny song? E, what's your favorite Bad Bunny song? No. No. You, right? Behind the... No. No. No. Exactly. I even went and listened to a few. I watched a few music videos after this whole controversy, and I still don't care at all. I remember the song with Drake. I listened to that a little bit, but really more so for the Drake part. I don't listen to that. Listen, if you don't know, I can't imagine going to any show, name your favorite BTS song that's in Korean.

2:12:14You can't really name one. So saying, I don't understand why at an event that's 85 % English speaking, you'd have a foreign language artist. It doesn't quite make sense to me. And I feel like I'm the bad guy for saying this. because you know Bad Bunny just did SNL and he literally addressed that in his monologue yeah he said learn Spanish yeah you've got four months exactly I mean clearly I'm not the only I'm not saying oh he's responding to me I'm not the only one saying this I think that's a fair statement to say at an American event and people are like well what about Kendrick he sold out Mexico City that's because there's people there that wanted to see Kendrick yeah it's not the biggest stage in all of Mexico right if let's just say the soccer finals in Mexico, show me an American artist performing.

2:13:08Seriously, in the national finals of Mexico's Soccer League, the biggest sport, show me an artist performing in English on that stage at halftime. Seriously. I'm with you. Seriously. I'm the bad guy for saying this. I just can we all just be this is just obvious here and I understand man shout out to all people like Danza was like yo man they're trying to convince me otherwise I get it Danza's Spanish though right he's a Cuban I think or something like that I get it it's a great moment for all the Spanish people I see why they feel strongly about it I get it he's a huge artist just in a different language you want to know one thing that i almost feel a sense of relief every super bowl i go to my girl's family's house and i watch the super bowl and the super bowl i have to show surrounded by a bunch of extremely loud armenian people and every year i'm at least a little bit annoyed because i would rather be watching like the kendrick performance by myself so that i could pick up anything that he says all the lyrics etc you know i'm super interested to see what lyrics he was going to say versus what he was going to kind of bleep out in the not like us moment and everything.

2:14:31I'm not worried about that because I'm going to have no idea what he's saying. They might as well turn the sound off when I'm watching it this year. So that's nice. But in addition to that, though, I will say I understand because I've been forced to understand that there are a lot of people who like music irregardless of the lyrics. I know a lot of people who love EDM and dance music. There's not even any words in that. No. Stop it. yes when it's when it's instrumental then it's instrumental for what it is but when someone's saying shit in a language that you don't fucking understand and you have no idea what the song is about you literally you can listen to a bad bunny song if you don't know any spanish you have this could be about a girl about a murder about being trans about eating your mom's cooking you have no fucking idea what it's about yeah total fucking mystery It's not the same thing as listening to instrumental music that was designed as instrumental music.

2:15:29But think about the voice as an instrument. Fuck all that. You don't necessarily have to understand what the person is saying to appreciate how it sounds. You can appreciate it. There's a lot of shit I appreciate, but you're being given the biggest fucking stage in America. You see what I'm saying? To an audience that doesn't really appreciate it because they don't know what the fuck you're saying. 15 % I looked it up before I met I knew the tweet was going to do something you know they had it on fucking Big Boy was talking about it on the radio and it was on Worldstar or whatever else at least in hip hop you were the guy for that take which I feel like a lot of people were thinking but most people especially you know older white people didn't really want to be the one taking all the heat I don't think it was older white people I think it's older non-Spanish people and younger non-Spanish people How old are you?

2:16:22I'm 33, and I even agree. I don't think Bad Bunny should be performing at the Super Bowl. You're not white. Like, you know what I mean? You're the same. I just, I don't know the music. We're both non-Spanish speakers, and that's okay. That's okay. 15 % of the population speaks Spanish in America. Yeah. And then outside America, although there's a third of the NFL audience, only 10 % of that audience is Spanish. It's mostly English-speaking foreign countries, like Australia, like the UK, like Ireland, or places like the Netherlands where even though they have a different language, they do speak a lot of English over there, right?

2:16:58So I don't know, man. Just to say I can't appreciate the music because the lyrics are foreign to me, and that's that. But this is why I think it makes sense. Two reasons why it makes sense. Number one, if you want to talk about the biggest artist that they can get, it's him because they can't get Taylor Swift. so he makes sense in that sense. Or Adele. Adele was the other one they tried for. Right. And in addition to that, I think that international expansion is probably a very big long-term goal for the NFL. And that's what I said. Because they pale in comparison to all the other top 10 biggest sports.

2:17:33They have the most American audience, which is impressive that it's so big being just for America. But for the most part, other countries don't care. If they get, I don't know, 10 million people from the Spanish-speaking world that are going to maybe become NFL fans, that's a huge W for them. So I understand strategically, even though for me, my enjoyment of it would certainly be throttled by the fact that I do not give a fuck about this man. I don't personally think that the NFL really can get that huge worldwide just because what's required to play it. You need professional pads and shit like that to really play the sport, even on a peewee level.

2:18:15But if they start watching it, that's great for them in terms of advertising on an international level. Maybe it expands. I get it. There's increased demand. It might be a long-term play. They're thinking 10, 20 years from now, maybe everybody's watching the NFL in Brazil. I get it. But they don't speak Spanish in Brazil. They don't? They speak Portuguese. Oh, well. See what I mean? But I bet they like Bad Bunny more than we do. Probably. Statistically. Because Spanish and Portuguese are a little bit similar, but it's still a different language. True, true, true. Like you can't really get – a Portuguese person can't really just speak Portuguese all through Mexico and expect to get by.

2:18:47But if we fast forward 10 years and everybody in Mexico is watching the Super Bowl or consistently watching NFL games, and it doesn't need to be everybody, but some percentage of people, that's a big deal. This is a ploy in order to try to expand their audience and potentially pissing off a whole bunch of the current audience. Especially those conservatives. They're damn near threatening to boycott this thing. Yeah, I mean, Trump is saying ICE is going to be there. It's like arresting Bad Bunny fans. Especially a guy from Puerto Rico. Well, you know, but here's the thing. Bad Bunny also canceled his tour in America because of the policies of ICE.

2:19:25So there's already sort of a friction between him and America and the government, actually. Well, Trump, to begin with, and then he's performing at the Super Bowl. Yeah. I can see Trump pulling some shit, like not allowing him in the country or something the day of the performance or something. Like, I don't know. Puerto Rico is no longer a colony just for that day. Just for that day, the paperwork is going to be under review. And, yeah, I don't know. Trump is petty like that. Like I said, I think it's dope because artistically I appreciate what he does. And I think it's amazing that a Puerto Rican artist can perform on the biggest stage.

2:20:08it just doesn't make sense you know in terms of who it is that it's supposed to be for which is the English speaking American audience and you will never see this in a foreign country the other way around 20 years ago Nas put out an album called Hip Hop is Dead and at that time it felt like Lil Wayne was kind of the culprit that was being pointed at in terms of the essence of hip hop sort of being deteriorated it's a fact that hip hop is occupying less spots on the charts. Everybody's talking about the labels seem like they've essentially given up on hip-hop. I would say maybe at this point the percentage of Vlad TV interviews with rappers is the lowest that it's ever been.

2:20:51I would assume. Well, my biggest interview is with who? But kind of an exception. I feel like if we go through the whole Vlad feed right now, we're going to be like, damn, there's not a ton of rappers coming through at this point. And from my perspective, there's a lot less up-and-coming interesting rappers to interview? I think that right now, because all these eras are all championed by one or more superstars, right? The Jay-Z, Nas era, the Rough Riders era, the Drake era, the Kendrick era, the J. Cole era. But it's always a younger artist, right? is not like some older artist coming through and getting everyone excited.

2:21:38Like, J will come in and drop some shit that people will fuck with, but it's not J that's going to control the 2020s. Who is the youngest? I mean, NBA Young Boys are like the youngest superstar. Yeah, him and Cardi. Cardi. Are they the same age? I think he's 30. Cardi might be 30. Young Boys younger, for sure. Yeah, Young Boys is 20s. But if you go for people between the age of 20 and 30, yeah, it's slim pickings in terms of who's the big superstars at this point. I mean, so here's what's interesting, right? You got these two artists who are the next generation superstar rappers, and none of them are coming out with mainstream songs.

2:22:19Yep. And that's the difference. It's all just very sort of underground. For their fan base. Just really for their fan base. Youngboy got a million albums out. and he doesn't have like a lollipop like a Lil Wayne. Remember how that song was just like, okay. Clearly this is a huge hit song. Doesn't seem incentivized to do so. Drake, God's Plan. Like you have these big anthems. You know, J. Cole, Role Models. You could keep going on Kendrick, Not Like Us. Like there's these big anthems. They're number one on the chart, the album, whatever. all the younger artists are coming out with very niche, just sort of not even necessarily hip-hop per se.

2:23:08It's almost like something else in a way. And they're just dropping. Well, I mean, Youngboy drops a lot. Cardi doesn't. But none of these songs are number one songs. So when you don't have this next generation who can make number one hits, they'll make a lot of money they'll they'll they'll have a core fan like a crazy fan base and they don't really they're not even incentivized to do anything more that's one thing i was thinking watching your interview six nine is that as much as hip-hop really turned on this guy at a certain point he brought a lot of hip-hop fans in there's probably a lot of people especially in spanish speaking countries that kind of relate to him etc that he was probably their way into paying attention to not just 6ix9ine but all the other SoundCloud adjacent rappers at the time and you know that's a that's a great thing if if him or or Drake or any of the superstars over the past 10-20 years didn't exist that's just less people being exposed to rap and becoming overall rap fans although I would say that even beyond that there's just like a a decreased interest in hip hip-hop, generally speaking, it feels like?

2:24:19I think there's only a decreased interest because there's no number one songs that are coming out. I mean, the biggest hip-hop thing to come out is Cardi's album, right? So Cardi's album sold like 200 ,000, and it seems like her songs are all over the charts. Cardi's a little bit older, though. Yeah. Right? I wouldn't put her in How old is she? In her 30s? I think early 30s She's probably like mid 30s Yeah, probably mid 30s She got three kids 32 At least two kids She had multiple kids with Offset, right? I think two kids with Offset Three kids I don't know if The next generation Is embracing Cardi as the biggest, I don't know.

2:25:14This is all just opinions, but if you don't have this, if Young Boy was dropping number one songs left and right, I think you'd have a very different kind of situation. Think about how, I remember me and Ak were talking about this, how when you, in the Young Boy show, it was like 90 % black, maybe 95%. Male, female, it wasn't like a sea of white people at all. at all really like i was one of the few white people like literally in the stadium yeah and that that almost says something positive or negative because it kind of says a lot when the fan base for like the most popular street rapper is not necessarily like extending to the fringes of people outside of his culture because you know even like i've seen a lot of subcultures die i was i'm a bmx dude there was a point where i looked at the vert podium for a contest and realized like oh everybody who's meddling in these contests is well into their 30s that doesn't bode well for the future of this activity when people are just kind of like aging out of it and i think that you know even when i was gonna bring uh my wife to the young boy show before she eventually opted out of it she uh she said i don't even know a single song and if you rewind the clock 10 years there was tons of rappers that i probably would have gone to see in concert where she knew all kinds of songs because bad and bougie is the biggest fucking single 10 years ago and you know she she knows all these little pump songs and smoke perp songs and x and juice world etc it's like i've seen subcultures collapse even musically like i watched a documentary the other day about what like thrash and heavy metal was like in the 80s there was a time when this shit was like some of the biggest music on the charts yeah and people kind of lost interest and it's still big on a niche level there's bands that have huge followings but from a mainstream perspective you would basically have no idea that heavy metal exists well that could happen around you gotta you gotta come you gotta have the anthems you gotta have the big songs like when we think past our lives like you think of bad and bougie like that was a huge song it was just a huge song it got bigger than hip-hop.

2:27:28It got bigger than music. You saw it on TV and people, you know, there's a whole dialogue around it and then the whole, remember, does it look like I got left off a bad bougie? You know, the viral moment with Joe Bunn and academics. It was a whole thing.

2:27:47NBA Youngboy doesn't have those types of anthems. Maybe he just wrote it and he's about to drop it. I don't know, but at this point he hasn't. He's so successful with his cult fan base that he almost has no incentive to do that. Cardi doesn't have an anthem like that. Think about that. Cardi, has he ever broken to the top 10? Has he had a top 10 song? Ever. Maybe him and The Weeknd with the new song. Nah, his song. Not him featuring that. Not him doing a verse on someone else's shit. His song. I wouldn't say top 10, but I know Magnolia was big. Evil Jordan peaked at number two on the Billboard Hot 100.

2:28:26Oh, word. which is surprising. All right. Okay, so there you go. Evil Jordan. Is that the... Who's on that? Just him. Just him? Yep. Okay. Great song. Gotta say. Okay, so... How long did it stay on there, though? I doubt very long. You see what I'm saying? It may have probably when the album dropped and everyone was... The hype is there. Yeah, it was going crazy. Also, you could mention this song to all kinds of normies. Nobody knows what the song is. This is for his fans and maybe some hip-hop fans in general, but for the most part, that's for his cult. Right. I mean, think about the songs that you just see.

2:28:58Like Taylor Swift is completely dominating the fucking chart right now. The Spotify on my way here. It's all over. I was going through the chart. Yeah. The first like 15 slots are Taylor Swift. You listen to it? Yeah, some of it. I love it. A couple of songs I love. A lot of people hating it. I think it's amazing. I like Taylor Swift. I appreciate artistically what she's doing. Me too. I'm a huge fan now. Yeah. I can't even deny it anymore. Now I'm just nuts over it. I love her now. No, but for example, that's not bots. People are really fucking with it. But the thing that is a little weird is just the fact that her fans buy so much vinyl that it really skews her popularity.

2:29:39I'm talking about the Spotify charts. Right, but I'm just saying that she did$3 million first week is what she's predicted to do. Drake did$300K. $3 million? Granted, she would be way bigger than Drake either way. either way triple platinum a week one but the vinyl skews it in her favor massively she's putting out 10 colors of these things okay i got it but still she's dominating the fucking spot for sure yeah like it's one thing because that was the one thing i remember how takashi was getting all these views on his videos that he dropped after he got out of jail but the charts weren't showing that that's why i'm like i think he's just advertising on the youtube side it's not organically growing to what it is.

2:30:19So like a Playboy Cardi, okay, he got to number two because he has a rabid fan base that they want to hear the album, but it doesn't stay at number two. Evil Jordan is not an anthem of this year. It came out this year? Early this year? The kids know it. I know it. It's there, but it's not like, it don't sound like the old classic songs that we would consider hits. You know what I'm saying? It's like an underground. But hits in that sense are just such a vanishing thing in general too, because it's just like we don't listen to the radio. We don't have MTV. Taylor Swift make hits. Right, but also everybody that I interview this month as well as all of the No Jumper hosts probably will not even hear one of those Taylor Swift songs.

2:30:59Oh, the rest of the world will. Yeah, but I'm saying like if you, like my girl has said that to me like, oh, is everybody at work talking about Taylor Swift? I'm like, Munchy B has no reason to know that Taylor Swift exists. He is in his own closed information space where he doesn't have to listen to anything that goes outside of gangster rap. Right. Now, I got it. But at the end of the day, imagine if Playboy Cardi had the type of songs that Taylor has. If he had a bad and bougie. Right. If he had a bad and bougie. But apparently, he just don't even give a fuck. Because he could be silently working on these types of songs.

2:31:34It don't really matter to him. I don't know, man. I mean, Swamp is. I did an interview with him. It sounds like they're doing exactly what they want to be doing. Yeah. And a huge hit like that is almost a liability. Because Shake It Off is the biggest Taylor Swift song ever. and I've seen how her fan base reacts to that song. It's so catchy that everybody likes it, and as a result, it's almost like a negative to her cult fan base. Man, I'm sure she's fucking thrilled she got Shake It Off. Well, because the whole new album is Shake It Off. The whole album sounds poppy as fuck. The album before that was 30 songs of her doing poetry.

2:32:06People like to act like they don't want massive success when really everyone's chasing it in their own way. So this whole thing of too much success, I don't know. man, but at the end of the day,

2:32:20if there is a, imagine a 30 or younger Taylor Swift in hip-hop. It just doesn't exist. It doesn't. You would see more of a mixed crowd at NBA Youngboy. You see what I'm saying? You see Asian people and you see that type of thing. I think that he's just killing it in how he's doing it. and who's going to tell someone at that point to do something different we'll see what happens though I haven't lost open hip hop at all I just feel like if anything this sort of downturn which I mean think about SoundCloud rap in 2016 in a large part that was kind of like a reaction to the fact that the mainstream rap world had kind of lost a lot of steam in the early 2010s because of the fact that streaming hadn't fully taken over.

2:33:16CDs were done. And that kind of created a very compelling environment for rap. You had the ASAP mobs and the Action Bronsons and the White Girl mobs. All these. Yeah, I got you. We're going to go take the photo real quick. But I'm just saying, I think if there is a downturn in hip-hop, there will ultimately be a reaction to it in which hip-hop kind of gets more exciting again. Yeah, I agree. Hip-hop forever, baby. Shout out my man, Vlad. Shout out to Remo for co-hosting. Vlad's got to go make a call. We got to take a photo real quick. But thank you to everybody who watched this. No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world.

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