Drakeo's Father on Drakeo & Ralfy's Childhood, Drakeo's Death, Ralfy Not Speaking to Him & More

9:152Low:No, not out of control. Just I'm going to be a person that's going to learn this world and I'm going to be a leader and I'm going to do my own thing. He left at five. Like, right. Bro, I don't need moms. Mom showed me how to get here. So I'm going to start going to the donut shop on my own. I was like, no, you can't do that, son. You can't be just.

9:35Ralfy:But so like, does this start to manifest itself in other parts of his? Because I feel like the same kid who's just going to walk down the street to go to the donut shop is also not going to do a school assignment that he doesn't feel like doing.

9:482Low:Well.

9:48Ralfy:That kind of stuff. Well. It's not going to just get a job, part time job.

9:522Low:Yeah, and Darrell liked it to be, liked it attention because I was getting reports from the, when he was in elementary school from the teachers and they were telling me that Darrell liked to make the whole class laugh and everybody, the teachers say something, he'd be in there clowning, making all of the other students in there laugh and he would be in there making music, playing the beats with his hand and doing his little raps back then. He was something else, man. And Lord forgive when we taught him the candy game. What did we do that for?

10:24Ralfy:The selling candy outside places. Oh, man.

10:282Low:Why did I do that? Because I was like, dad, we want to make some money. How can we make some money? I'm like, what y 'all need some money for? Oh, dad, we just want to get some money. I'm like, you guys don't got no bills, no responsibilities. Y 'all need no money. I'm sorry. I tell y 'all what y 'all can do. Y 'all can get some money. All y 'all got to do is buy a box of candy. And you buy a box of candy for this amount of dollars and you can make like two to three times the amount. How are we going to do that, dad? I say, OK, so you pay six dollars for the candy and then you sell each candy bar for X amount of dollars or a dollar or whatever it was.

11:032Low:And then you double. Oh, OK. Yeah, dad, I want to do throws. He was. I want to do that. I want to do that. I want to do that. Where do we go? Where do we go? I said, OK, we can go to this gas station right here on Manchester and Western. So that's where he started off. OK. Manchester and Western. and they would sell a little candy. I bet some ladies probably, you'd be like, wait a minute, that is that little kid I used to buy. When they see Draco now, they'd be like, wait, that's that little kid? Because his face hasn't changed.

11:26Ralfy:Did you tell him, hey, it's okay to lie and say that this is you raising money for your basketball team or whatever? Because that's what I feel like kids always do. And they always like normal people just fall for it. Or were they just selling candy with no pretense?

11:402Low:They just, now whether they lied or whether they were behind my back and said that to get extra dollars, it's a possibility because he was really clever and smart. But I would just tell him this is a way to make money. And he considered that to be his job. He would be waking me up. Dad, Dad, can I I want to go get some candy. I want to go get some candy and I want to go to the gas station and sell it. And if they wasn't there, like I said, they would be down there Louisiana chicken. Down the street. Oh, Manchester. Yeah.

12:06Ralfy:And him and Ralphie were how many years apart in age?

12:112Low:Not about a year.

12:12Ralfy:Oh, only a year.

12:132Low:It was like stair steps.

12:15Ralfy:Right. And they were just inseparable.

12:172Low:Yeah, it was inseparable. Yeah. Darrell would be the kind of like a little faster leader die. And Devante would watch every theater of mine, watch everything Darrell do. OK, yeah, we could do this. We can get away with this. And Devante, just like now, like, man, come on.

12:32Ralfy:That's crazy. So at what point, like how old are they approximately when things start to get rocky with their mother?

12:402Low:Okay, so I say they started overriding the perimeter, right about overriding her perimeter. I say about 11, 11 and 9, because the schools were, from what I heard, the schools were Ben trying to get in touch with me. And they were like, where's his dad at? You know what I'm saying? You know, how'd that go? We broke up. Oh, okay.

13:04Ralfy:But that's why I was asking, at what age do you guys kind of break up where you were in the house on a consistent basis?

13:102Low:we broke up around I say when they were about 7 about 7 so then it was that cat and mouse game I find out where they are she move tell everybody in the neighborhood don't tell my baby daddy where I'm at if y 'all see a man come over here see a man come over here with a long ponytail don't tell him where I live so it was just that you know how that go everybody knows how this game go when the relationship ends it gets bitter and it gets bitter between the couples and then you know okay i'm punished this dude he ain't gonna build it because you got to go through me for everything and it was bad why would you say that it ended i would say it ended because without throwing anybody under the bus it just got too verbal it got too verbal and it got too too much destruction in front of the children you know just arguing and then just I couldn't do it man I can't okay

14:08Ralfy:and so at that point do you feel like she was kind of keeping was she using the kids as leverage or like why did you like like how did the relationship go from there because I feel like there's two basic narratives at this point in her life in in their lives which is like one way of looking at it is that you just weren't around and the other way that you've put out there is that the mom was kind of intentionally keeping you away from them definitely that's 100 the truth i mean it's not

14:362Low:to throw her up under the bus i'm sure she did the best that she could you know what i'm saying but definitely because like i said if if draco and ralphie would have been staying with me i don't think they would have turned into draco and ralphie really because you were more militant

14:50Ralfy:yeah i was more militant i was whooping they butts i'm the dad that you're gonna get a whooping if

14:552Low:you do something bad i'm not playing no games because i had got them i got them back that's where i was getting to that point with that story so the schools were trying to get in touch with me but they didn't know where i was so i don't know somebody must have told them or whatever but i ended up getting this call from the elementary school they were going to and uh they was like can you come down here and talk to us or whatever so i went down there to the school and i talked to the lady and she kind of like was like hey do you guys either one of you guys got custody the kids. I said, no, we never went to court for custody or anything like that.

15:262Low:She said, well, I can't be saying her names and anything, but hey, I could just tell the mom that you came up here and picked the kids. So I kind of like read between the lines like what she was doing. I grabbed the kids and I was gone. So I left her with Ivory and I had Daryl and Devontae for six months and I was whooping they butts. I was whooping they butts and I was getting them in line. They was in line. They wasn't trying to pull none of that on me. So one day, these little smart little rascals, him and Devontae, they was so damn smart, bro. I go up there at lunchtime to go get the kids.

16:062Low:I mean, after school to pick the kids up and the lady at the school, because the school was like, you know, Harbor City. Harbor City, you know, the little school right across the street next to the store. That's where they were going. So I went over to go pick them up. They said, oh, we thought you came and got them. At lunchtime, the kids are going. I'm like, wait, wait, lady, what do you mean? Where are my kids at? Like, you know, my little dudes, man, jumped on the train and got the hell on.

16:33Ralfy:And you know what they actually ended up doing at 11?

16:362Low:They shoot. I think they got on the book because they had already knew how to write because the schools were telling me they was catching them downtown. You know, the downtown districts where you go shopping at. and these dudes is in elementary school so how are they getting away how do they even know how to ride the bus and all of this stuff to get down there so they already knew how to do all of that so they like okay you know what my dad's too strict we got to get up out of here we got to get back to our mom so they ended up taking the bus same thing with the amber alert was looking for them and all of that and come to find out they found their mom in la they knew how to get

17:09Ralfy:back there they were those kids were smart bro right so do you feel like the the whole thing about it is that maybe their mom was a little bit more naive to what the streets could be like for young dudes like that and you meanwhile grew up very much amongst all of it and so you your attitude is more like we need to be extremely hardcore when it comes to discipline right

17:342Low:she was a soft woman but at the same time she got really angry it was bad when she got angry but I was the dad like no, these kids are going to be ready to go, no, no, you guys are going to try to pick some options on what you want to do. Hey, y 'all want to play some football? You know, I can get y 'all on some Pop Winter. You know what I'm saying? And that kind of dad like that. But Durrell and Devontae and Durrell, that's their real names. Devontae and Durrell, they hung out in my studio all the time. They would be in my studio all the time, and they'd be banging on the drums, driving me crazy while I'm in there trying to make beats.

18:072Low:I'm like, man, come on, man, what y 'all doing? Hey, Durrell, the drums, and Ralphie trying to push on the NPC, trying to figure out how the beats work and everything.

18:18Ralfy:Right. And so were you teaching them how to make music or they were just kind of figuring it out themselves?

18:242Low:No, I was pretty much teaching them, like, this is what you do. You know, I started every last one of my kids, I tell them, I say, look, this you want to play drums? This is what you do. This is what you do. You've got to learn this first if you want to play drums. Per-i-di-to. Per-i-di-to. What is that, Dad? Okay, it's just right, left, left, left, left, right, left, left. Because, you know, I was trying to teach them the rudiments of being, you know, a good drummer. So I started them off with that. And they kind of really didn't take heed to the drumming. They didn't really, this is not something I want to do.

19:00But they would always be on the mic, always playing around with the microphone. so probably right there that transition kind of you know like curved them into you know i'm saying

19:122Low:once they took they street stories and said we better rap about this right do you remember the

19:17Ralfy:first time they actually made a song and which one of them it would have been who first did a song

19:252Low:i would say with dural dural would hide his raps when he was living with me when i when i told you I brought him in there and the teacher gave me the kids. I would be like, what do you keep stuffing up under the bed? Why are you stuffing? Every time I come in here, you're stuffing something up under the bed. So he would be hiding his wraps up under the bed. Remember that? He used to be hiding his wraps up under the bed. And I'm like, well, let me see what you got. And he would just be writing these little wraps and stuff like that. But I guess he was just ashamed he didn't know if his wraps were good.

19:562Low:But he was trying to write songs back then.

19:59Ralfy:Right. Definitely. So, I mean, when would you say that Draco the Ruler starts to become a thing when it starts to seem like he's actually taking the music side of things serious?

20:102Low:Well, I say once they fully start overriding the mom's perimeter, I would say that was probably around about 14 and 15. that was it they started curving into okay we in these streets you know because they was dance they was doing had a little dance group and stuff they was doing the jerk they was jerking and the ralphie was jerking going to the swap to the malls and all that stuff and jerking and then it went from that and to okay we finna start telling our stories about what we doing in the streets so it went like that definitely how much communication were you having with them at that time that it was hard because like i said it was that cat literally the cat and mouse game you know i come over there sometimes and it's a break my heart and i come over there sometimes and i bring the kids toys for christmas she threw them all in the street let the cars run over

21:06Ralfy:really so she was that adamantly against you being involved in their lives

21:102Low:look in the rearview mirror and the cars are smashing all the toys

21:15Ralfy:outside of her influence like how did you feel like they were basically you know kind of going with their mom overall like yeah they love their mother yeah you know that those are boys

21:262Low:boys cling to the mother most of the time and girls cling to the dad and so they love their mother and you know that's what i'm saying like i'm you know not to throw her under the bus or anything like that they did she did the best that she can but these are boys they need their dad When I say sit down, you're not going nowhere. I said you're not going. That's going to be it. Mom say sit down, boy, you ain't going nowhere. He at the donut shop.

21:52Ralfy:Yeah.

21:532Low:You know what I'm saying? That's how it go. Dad got that firmness about him. He can just point to the kid and be like sit down. And the kid is going to be like, you know what?

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22:342Low:I'm not trying to try my dad.

22:37Ralfy:Right. How were you getting by at this time? Because you were doing music all along, but were you ever making money?

22:452Low:I was the master entrepreneur, man.

22:47Ralfy:Okay.

22:472Low:I sold Rockwiler puppies. I sold Pet Bull puppies. I sold the vehicles, you know what I'm saying? Buy it from the auction. Because back then, remember, people used to get a car from the auction. Right. I'm going to get this piece of crap from the auction and put a little bit of money into it and flip it. all those games were, you know, back then, us guys from my generation, we really had to know how to do something. Everybody wasn't trapping, and everybody wasn't kicking grandma in the head, snatching her purse. We had to know how to do something, man. Like, we really had to know how to do something.

23:24Ralfy:Right. Were you, like, cautious enough to want to only take part in legal schemes, or were you a—

23:312Low:Yeah, I had to do it legal. I was Mr. Legal.

23:33Ralfy:Really? You just always kind of had that insight that you didn't want to go to jail?

23:372Low:No, it's just not that. It's just the way I was raised. My mom was the evangelist. My mom was the director of the church choir. She dragged me to the rehearsals. That's how I got into drums and music. Because I would be there and sometime that drummer didn't show up. At this time, I'm five. So I would just be like, oh, let me try to mess around with these drums or whatever. And so that's how I got into music. So my mom was really, really a spiritual lady. and she was the one who realistically all of us got it from because she, like I said, she was the director of the church choir, my mom. She wrote plays for the church.

24:142Low:She did all of that. So, yeah.

24:15Ralfy:So it actually got through to you. You're like the one kid who like their parents told them do the right thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

24:222Low:And you know to reap what you sow, my mom, karma, bro. Yeah, the 10 commandments die, show not steal. Die, show not, you know, my mom was not planning. And you were, and if you act like you wasn't paying attention and listening, she was going to pick you and choose you to want you. Okay. You're going to all the tent revivals with me. You're going to be the kid that I dragged to every church thing. That's what my mom was.

24:47Ralfy:For sure. So you never.

24:482Low:She picked on me. That's like my mom. I don't know what it was. It was my mom used to always be like, you, you're the one that's coming with me all the time. Like, I mean.

25:00Ralfy:For sure. So you never robbed a house back in the day. They cooked that up themselves?

25:052Low:Yeah, I never did anything. I never did stuff like that. They definitely wouldn't have been doing that shit living with me.

25:11Ralfy:For sure. Were you getting fucked up during this time period of your life too?

25:152Low:No, I started my first drink was at 35. I had my first beer at 35 years old.

25:19Ralfy:Why'd you wait that long?

25:212Low:It just wasn't something that I would say I would be into. But then once I started drinking, because it was like I was 35 years old. this is what I've been missing. So I kind of went far and then I turned into a habitual clubber. Really? Yeah, because I maybe, you know how they say like, oh, the Catholic school girls, them is the ones you want to get to because they the worst. Once I started, it was like, it was bad.

25:43Ralfy:Really? Yeah. So you just spent years wearing like Hollywood and shit or more like local shit?

25:482Low:No, man, I was going to the Bistro 880 in Carson. I was going to the Lakewood Hop, the Players' Choice. All these people know me from them spots, man. The Carolina West.

25:57Ralfy:oh man those was the days right definitely so how much like a warning or did you caution drago and ralphie about the gang thing because i feel like obviously one of the most unique things about their story is that they're like some of the only rappers in the history of la to not be formally from a hood probably because they didn't see their dad like you know like

26:212Low:pushing that envelope on them you know and the things that i did do things that i did do or I'm guilty of or whatever, however you want to put it. I didn't put that in their face and glorify that. I'm trying to glorify nothing like that to no kid. I'm a glorify. You're going to reap what you sow. Just like them did that to him. I don't care about how tough you think you are. I don't care about what hood you from. And you could be the biggest, baddest bully on the planet. Karma going to be like a hellcat and run you down and get right on the side of you. And lights out. I didn't see the toughest brothers go to prison and come out and be the homosexuals I didn't see the weakest ones that look like oh he ain't gonna make it he's not gonna make it come out and run the hood run the set and it's not just a particular community different communities I've seen this

27:22Ralfy:so do you have the memory of when they first asked you about being a gang member or being affiliated with anything like that? Did you just tell them yeah, I might have made this decision, but I don't think you should.

27:362Low:I see. How can I?

27:41Ralfy:Because it's a tough conversation to have with a young dude out here.

27:442Low:Okay, so you got to understand. My auntie owned the property. The duplex. It was a set of It's a five duplexes over there. She owned those. It's on 107th. Okay, Washington. Mind you, I'm on 107th, right? Here's Washington High School, right? So that's Normandy. And then right here is Bud Light. If you know anything about L.A., you already know what the deal is. I got shot at eight times over there. the movies y 'all the movies colors and the movies like that that stuff has actually happened to me I never forget the time I walked to the I tried to sneak actually I hit the alley tried to sneak to the store because we had to sneak to the store because all the dudes on that side of Normandy they had a department complex and they could see anybody who come off that street I guess they see me sneaking to the store it was like the movie colors they jumped in about four whips and it was actually guns out of the car but you can i could see when i'm running i could see the bullets sparking on the gates and all of that the only reason why i'm alive today to this day because i jumped the fence big the biggest pet bull i've ever seen in my life on a chain a chain up to the tree i'm like okay my luck is just terrible i jumped back there so dude that guy the owner of the house i guess he came out what are you doing in my backyard he had a shotgun on him.

29:122Low:I'm like, man, what are you doing? I said, hey, man, hey, man, they're shooting at me, man. Just trying to, you know, get away. Shoot, man. Next thing you know, man, he let me run through, you know, come in his house, run through, get back on the other side. And that's why I'm a liar right now.

29:27Ralfy:Wow.

29:282Low:He became good friends. Y 'all Salvadorian dude, he was real cool.

29:30Ralfy:And that was you just getting shot at for being from the wrong place in the wrong area?

29:352Low:No, that was for me. I was coming from my house off 107th Street to the liquor store. They had a little liquor store. We death store because everybody gets smoked at that store.

29:44Ralfy:Well, that's a charming nickname. I heard some fucked up nickname. That's pretty bad. Yeah, anybody

29:482Low:got caught slipping going down Normandy right there and at that liquor store, they're going to pop you.

29:54Ralfy:Wow.

29:552Low:Anybody them listening to this, they're going to be like, oh yeah, we didn't know.

29:58Ralfy:Wait, but so they knew where you were from or they're just looking at you like a random person that could just get it?

30:022Low:Well, if they see you coming off of this side of Normandy, gotcha. You was from that community. If they seen you coming from that side of Normandy, then you was from that community. And it was a consistent war.

30:23Ralfy:Right, because it's pretty interesting because I'm sure Ralphie and Drake are super rebellious when it comes to basically everything that you were trying to put in their head as kids. I'm sure you were telling them to stay away from drugs and getting fucked up and everything like that. That was out the window at some point. but it's interesting how the gang thing actually took and they actually took it serious and i mean it is even beyond that it's like we're used to crews but the crews are always part of gangs they're always like under the umbrella of a certain hood absolutely to have a totally non-affiliated crew is like such a unique thing right that almost nobody in like la history in terms of street shit has ever really had the gall to do right yeah absolutely so duro and davante

31:122Low:is kind of like man they wanted money it transitioned from that candy seller that's where it transitioned from that day man we was flipping money we's little then we start flipping this and then you know okay next day you're gonna be flipping this probably some product you're gonna be flipping some stuff that you didn't clip from somebody or you know what i'm saying that that idea of doubling and tripling money is getting like you said took to a different level and at this time shit 19 20 years old they draco the rule and ralphie the plug at that point

31:44Ralfy:right and so yeah did they did they start to really get traction as rappers before they start getting in trouble with the law because i'm assuming that that's like the next time where they really where you really feel like fuck i gotta intervene is the first time you hear about one of them getting arrested.

31:582Low:I just couldn't catch up with him. And then, and then, and then see, the thing is, is over there in that area, the sheriffs had a very, very good strategy. Like when it comes to brothers and they did this with, if it was a household of brothers and all those brothers were gang members in whatever community or house it was, the sheriffs had a really good strategy. They would always make sure that the brothers were never on the street at the same time. So what they would do is they would always make sure that it's only one of them out and the other ones in are they a rotate the brothers and oh no we ain't putting we ain't

32:30Ralfy:leaving both of them out on the street that's all they feel like two brothers together on the streets at the same time would just be way more deadly way more likely to do some fucked up shit really

32:392Low:that's interesting strategy that's double that's that's that's two people with the strategy so we're gonna make sure one of y 'all locked up at all that's just interesting that like to the police

32:49Ralfy:that brotherly bond is that much more powerful than like you know the gang member guy that lives across the street from me that we hang out every day, but it's that much more significant. That's interesting. Okay. So, yeah, but do you remember the first time that they got locked up and what that conversation might have been like?

33:082Low:Well, I was hearing that, like I said, I was hearing from, I can't give up her name or none of that, but this school teacher, she was helping me out a lot. She was telling me everything. She made sure she followed their story. That's probably Darleen. I don't know this, but that's how I was fighting out everything. She was telling me, you know, that, okay, he's in juvenile hall or whatever. and all of that stuff this one's in juvenile hall so i'll go down there and hey transforming to another place you know what i'm saying the next thing you know he's out and then davante's in juvenile hall i'm like it was a rotating spinning tornado bro it was a tornado and my i'm way i'm at this time i'm way in riverside and so i'm way in riverside they way in la so it was just like okay i used to have to come bring him in later but i had to come and get i used to use my other son lorenzo and I was like, Renzo, have you seen them anywhere in LA?

33:582Low:He's like, nah, nah, dad, but we working on it, we trying to find out where they are so Renzo was like my little detective spy dude to find out where they lived at or whatever and sometimes he would come up with the information we'd stake out where the possible place was, we'd sit and I'd be like, oh, there they go, right there let them get away from the house so I could try to grab them get them back so I could start back my discipline with them man, it's

34:24Ralfy:but it just kept getting harder and harder as they got older to get the cat and mouse game kept

34:292Low:it got it got too it just and anybody like i said girl they at this time they're turning into draco the ruler and ralphie the plug so day is like okay man we're about our dad bro we finna be somewhere

34:41Ralfy:we don't even know where we are interesting so when he really starts making his debut like obviously we hear about draco before ralphie music wise when he signs the muster or not signs the muster but starts working with muster and does that that album together and everything like by that point what's your vantage point on his career and how much communication are you actually i was

35:032Low:having communication with him because darrell will come out to my house he's like dad dad dad you got any beats you got any beats i'm like man come on man you know i got beats but i got a gang of beats when i gave him that one he did with the big bank buddha song when i gave him that i gave him a stack of beats it was 30 cds with like 10 beats on each cd because we would put our beats on the cds back this and so i didn't i never thought he was going to use any of them or whatever but when i heard the song i'm like wait a minute he actually used that beat i gave him like so that's interesting

35:34Ralfy:because it's like so many people that he could have got beats from and that he actually went out of his way to get one from you but at that point like you would think that if he was going to do that that most rappers the reason why they would do something like that or at least the way that they would kind of use it is that they would talk about it and say yeah this one was produced by my dad. That's interesting that he would do it, but then not talk about it.

35:592Low:I think he, I think a young lady went to the jail or the prison to visit him, and he ended up spilling the beans like, no, my dad gave me that beat. But he never did tell me, I'm not going to try to sit here in front, but he never told me like, you know, my dad gave me this beat telling people that no. I see DJ Mustard put his little spin on it. But that's what any good producer would do. Because that's what I do. I mean, if I get a beat and I can enhance it, DJ Mustard just ran over top of it with a bass line and some little stuff.

36:37Ralfy:But you weren't going to go try to chase down royalties off this? No, I'm good.

36:412Low:I gave the kid the beats, man. He says, my son. Here, man, you take the beats, man. Do what you got to do with them.

36:47Ralfy:Right. Right. So from your perspective, though, like what was that like seeing him, you know, him and Mustard working together, putting out a tape is crazy.

36:552Low:I was happy when I really happy when I heard the beat. But I mean, I didn't know what their relationship was. I don't know too much about the Mustard guy. I listened to some of his stuff. He does some really good work. You know, his beats are some West Coast type of really good stuff. But Daryl could have got that stuff for me.

37:16Ralfy:Right. I mean, Draco. like for people who don't remember how this went, he basically does this whole project with mustard. Mustard tries to sign him. Draco basically rejects it.

37:272Low:And that's where it started.

37:28Ralfy:Puts out another tape like a year later, six months later or whatever it was, makes it clear like, no, I'm doing this on my own now. Which when you look at it, it's like the least surprising thing ever for Draco because it's pretty impossible to imagine him really being like under somebody, like having a bird man who's telling him what to do. Like I just feel like beyond like most rappers really are going to have a hard time with that. But with him, it's like I just can't imagine him answering to someone.

37:582Low:That's what I was saying. That started that mentality of, no, I mean, I'm doing it this way. I'm doing it my way. Hey, everybody can get mad. He was always like that since five. No, he wasn't finished. Especially he making that money. They getting that money out the streets. Him and Ralphie getting that money out the streets like it's nothing. So what they trying to offer him, he get that out the streets. right and i mean i think team now okay yeah like him being part of whatever mustard has going to

38:24Ralfy:obviously is good promotion and stuff but you're giving up a bunch of short-term profitability or for for an advance and then basically the promotion which in a long run sense it could be good but also like you know it's probably pretty wise of him to realize that he didn't have to do

38:392Low:that right true that but he was always that type of person that he didn't want to be under nobody

38:46Ralfy:Right.

38:462Low:He never wanted to be under. He wanted to be his own leader, his own group. You know, he only want to have his own thing going. So they wouldn't have never been able to. The kid I know, my son, he wouldn't have never signed with none of them. So they was just wasting their time with that.

39:03Ralfy:And you said that's where it all started. So from your perspective, that's where a bunch of his tension ends up kind of starting up the tension with a bunch of different bloods and whatnot.

39:152Low:Yeah, that's where it started because they couldn't, I would say, trick him into signing on some deal or whatever. So he was like, you know what I'm saying, man, I'm not doing it like this. And then they're like, okay, well, you think you're bigger than the program. We finna show you. You ain't bigger than the program. You're going to sign with somebody. You're going to sign with one of them. He's like, no, I'm not. We could just go to war.

39:38Ralfy:Do you think he said that to them?

39:392Low:I'm pretty sure in his mind, he's like, we could just go to war. Wow. I'm not signing with nobody. you know he's like whatever y 'all could you could try me if you want to it could just be the wild wild west out here that's the type of attitude the row had he wasn't afraid of anyone he wasn't scared of anybody i mean come on what was he thinking you think you finna go to this this this what this once upon a time thing and you got all of these enemies you got all of these enemies and you're just like bulletproof you're gonna go down there with none because he was like he was like man hey this is this is this is a part of this lifestyle i'm not finished showing those fear i'm not scared i'm going down here to do the show because i would have told him bro

40:21Ralfy:don't go down there right wait for the next one right because i mean we're kind of jumping ahead here but i mean you know when i heard the the inglewood diss i remember thinking like oh this really doesn't seem like it's going to end well but then for months after that i'm seeing the way he's moving around. I'm seeing him when he's on Melrose, he's got security when he's with, you know, he's with certain people and stuff. And I'm like, okay, he seems like he's taking his security serious and moving around in the right way and everything. And then when you look at that situation, it's like, oh, okay.

40:51Ralfy:You let your guard down one time and you could end up in this situation that fucks you over.

40:562Low:Well, you know, like I said, I'm not finna sit up here and try to make it seem like my kid was some angel or whatever, because I mean, you pouring, gas on the fire with that Ingerwood song. Come on now. As a dad, me being a dad, he should have never made that song. He should have never made that song. Just the way I feel about it.

41:22Ralfy:Yeah. I mean, the culture as a whole really promotes people who won't duck their shit or will always run towards any fight. But when you look at that situation, he was that guy. Yeah. You just wish that he had a little bit more humility, a little bit more of a willingness to just take it out and say, okay, you know what? I'm not going to diss you guys anymore. I'm just going to leave this alone. And hopefully as time goes by, maybe this could become less of a constant tension.

41:532Low:Unfortunately, sometimes that grows with age and then the older you get, you don't have the energy for the drama. And so the, the, but the older you get, the lesser amount of drama you want in your life. So then you start making different decisions like, nah, man, I'm cool. I'm going to just, I'm going to hold out on this. He's young. This is a young, strong, energetic, not doing it my way. What? Okay, then y 'all tripping. We tripping too. Okay, well then whatever. Catch me when you can. I'm going to catch you when I can. That was young.

42:20Ralfy:Yeah. So, okay, there's that situation with Mustard and him basically pissing off a whole variety of different people in the music industry and stuff. But then can you draw a connection between that and what ends up happening at the pajama party when Kells ends up killing Red Bull? Or are these like separate situations that kind of inflamed? All that was kind of tied in together

42:432Low:because at the end of the day, all those communities are connected.

42:48Ralfy:Right.

42:482Low:So, I mean, you know, even in the Compton communities, you got the Inglewood communities, you got all these different communities at the end of the day, that all those communities are connected. So if one of theirs fall off behind a situation, then they're going to team up.

43:09Ralfy:Definitely. So when he ends up getting arrested for that situation and you hear about all that stuff, how does that sit with you? Or is that a moment where you're like, so many of the things that I had really hoped he could have avoided are basically kind of coming true at this point.

43:262Low:I was thinking that too. And then I was just thinking, you know, just like, damn, man. You know how as a father, you just feel like, fuck, man. I'm in that situation. Damn, I couldn't be, you know how you feel like a dad? I can't be, I couldn't be there, man. Like, it's like, man, come on.

43:47Ralfy:Definitely. Did you talk to him about the beef and stuff? Did you try to kind of urge him to like, Maybe we should try to lessen this tension.

43:552Low:Well, I couldn't get to him at the time because at this time he was, I guess he was in a county jail or whatever. And, yeah, it was just kind of hard for me to talk to him. And, you know, like I said, when Darrell came over, he was so happy and talking about happy stuff and good stuff. He would just be talking about music. Or maybe he's just trying to think he's keeping it away from me. Like, bro, come on now. I'm one of the biggest OGs in L.A., bro. I know everything that you're doing.

44:22Ralfy:I mean, yeah, there was like a, you know, because I saw him a bunch around that time and never was there any kind of indication that he was involved in this whole street thing. You know, he always was like super just overjoyed to be free, to be hanging out, getting fucked up, having a good time with everybody. Like it was just as much as now when you go and you watch these little documentaries about that time in his life and everything and you see all this stuff. It's like, that wasn't necessarily the vibe for so many of us that knew him. It was like, that wasn't the thing that we were always thinking about or whatever.

44:56Ralfy:That was some shit that we knew he had going on, but really like, you know, we're not super street oriented. So we're not necessarily thinking about that. I remember like we made a conscious decision at No Jumper to just like not document any of the back and forth with that shit. Cause it just felt way too close to home.

45:122Low:So you would say he was this cool, smiling, cool guy. Like that's, that's, that's the same, that's the same vision of him. I have, he was always this cool, you know, guy, man. It was just happy. And he was down to help, you know, his friends. And, you know, if he making money, y 'all gonna have some money. If Duro has some money, they gonna have some money. If I come up, y 'all gonna come up. That's, that was him. But I'm going to be the leader.

45:39Ralfy:Yeah, totally. I mean, yeah. I mean, during that time period, you so you were having a hard time getting in touch with them. When do you think the last time you actually spoke to him or saw him? When I gave him the beats. Oh, OK.

45:512Low:That was that was the very last time to me and him was face to face when I gave him the beats. Ralphie would come out there a lot. You know what I'm saying? But Daryl, like I said, they rotated him. Ralphie would come out there when Daryl was locked up.

46:04Ralfy:Yeah, because people forget that there was this whole time period where it felt like he was just going to be sitting in jail forever. Like it felt like they were just not ever going to come to any level of clarity because the murders that had taken place, basically, they had already found people to charge with those. And instead, they're trying to treat Draco like he was the ringleader of all this stuff. And you're just kind of wondering, like, because they took him to trial and it was a hung jury. Right. And then they basically were going to try him again. It didn't end up happening. They ended up releasing him.

46:33Ralfy:But there were years and years there where he was at his prime, really, where we didn't really get to see anything from him. And like, what was it like for you as a dad at that point? Like, did you kind of feel just this pure frustration? And Ralphie was locked up at the same time too. So you're just thinking at that time they had them both. Yeah. And Ralphie was for some, like he was doing credit card stuff, I believe at the time and everything like that. From your perspective at that time, like, are you, I don't know. Are you, are you, are you just, are you, are you trying to stay in touch with them or like, I don't know.

47:04Ralfy:How's that?

47:042Low:No, I just, I just, man, at that particular time, I'm just keep it 100, man. And I just felt like, fuck, man, this is something that I knew would end up being. This is the wall that I knew they would crash into. And I don't want to see my sons like that, man. Knowing that I just playing this cat mouse game, man, it just was tearing me up. It's tearing me up, man. So I don't want to see them stuck like that.

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48:072Low:for you as a dad I had a friend that was they do security right and they tipped you off yeah and it's like I'll talk to you I talked like that right and and this I mean it's one of the hardest

48:21Ralfy:things you ever had to go through and does this just completely change you as a person because one thing I was super surprised to hear was that you didn't have the face tattoos until this no I

48:302Low:didn't have none of the face tattoos because I used to have my my my tattoo artist uh over there in Redland, a cool guy, he would talk to me. He was a really cool guy. And every time I, he's like, girl, man, you ain't coming in here to get no tattoos. You can't even see the tattoos, man. You're putting them on top of each other. Because I would just really go to use him as the therapist, you know what I'm saying? Talk to him and he would help me out with a lot of situations like how I, you know, curve that thinking and not put too much energy on that. So I wouldn't do to make wrong decisions on that situation because I was very angry and I know a lot of people.

49:06Ralfy:Right. So like, what are the tattoos mean to you? Any, any in particular that really were dedicated to him or, or I can't actually a hundred percent read them. Yeah.

49:172Low:I got him a couple of times. I got him in a couple of times. I got Draco right here on my bro. Draco, the ruler, rest of peace. And I got, I got a whole big body picture of him on my stomach, uh, with the city of LA Draco on my stomach. I have that one and I have, uh, and all these stink team, I'm trying to be the bro. Come on. I'm too old to be a part of the stink team, bro. Come on, man. But I'm gonna do what I'm gonna try to live out what my son was doing. So what he was doing, that's what I'm gonna be a part of. So I got to do a little Buddha and the stink team stuff put on me, you know?

49:52Ralfy:Yeah. I mean, it's gotta be the hardest thing to go through as a parent to see their son be taking out this world prematurely like that like what what kind of place did it put you in

50:052Low:mentally like was it just i was stressed out for two years the whole two years i was yeah i probably needed to to be honest i probably needed to go get some counseling keep it real bro i was mentally messed up i was mentally really mentally messed up like probably need to see somebody and talk to somebody because i was losing it i mean i'm getting tattoos i was The only reason why I stopped because he refused to get me any more tattoos. Like, bro, I'm not doing it.

50:34Ralfy:Really?

50:352Low:Yeah. Hammer over there.

50:38Ralfy:Was it like, you know, because when it comes to tattoos, especially as you get older, one thing I find is that like when you're 18, there's like all kinds of shit that you are excited to get tattooed on you. And then as you get older, at least for me, there's just less and less things that I feel so strongly about that I want it on my body for the rest of my life, which is why I barely have gotten tattooed in like the last 10 years. But then you go through that kind of experience and you go through something that is so powerful that like you almost didn't even know that you could go through anything that would be this.

51:11Ralfy:No, I didn't. Devastating or world changing. and it's just interesting to me that you were this late in life and still that was the thing that you were like okay you know what this is the one thing that's deserving of the real estate on

51:232Low:my face yeah man this real estate on my face represent the pain and suffering of what i was going through from them you know doing what they did to my son

51:38Ralfy:so you went to the funeral but didn't really care for it the vibe was not exactly what you

51:442Low:would have hoped running around here burning rubber and all out the roof of cars and acting crate bro this is not a party somebody died and lost their life and y 'all acting like this is some celebration you know like you had a at a party i didn't like that at all but i mean what can i do

52:05Ralfy:what they were doing yeah because i just went to the funeral i didn't go to the the the grave site or the the funeral procession that happened afterwards so i feel like i missed some of that the funeral itself was kind of a normal funeral i would say but then i feel like there was more of like a celebratory not not celebratory but like you know i feel like a lot of these street dudes mourn differently than a lot of other people that i know just because they've been around so

52:332Low:much of it probably gets nothing to them it's immune they're immune to yeah just since they

52:38Ralfy:were young to the point where they process it by just kind of i don't know having a like turning up like the way that they might on any given friday night type shit but i can understand that didn't sit right with you when you're the one who's like, this was your baby.

52:542Low:Yeah, and he's a duplicate of me. His birthday is the same. We're the same. Birthday is the same. Like Ralphie's two kids is the same birthday as him. Same as with Daryl. Daryl is my birthday.

53:08Ralfy:Definitely. Was there any chance that this would bring you closer to Ralphie and the mother? Or was it not possible?

53:172Low:You got to remember, Ralphie was in pain at the same time, too. Ralphie was in pain. She was in pain. So you got all of these people in pain. You know, it's hard to, like, nobody wants to talk. Everybody's upset. Everybody's hurt. So it's like, it's awkward. I just put it like that. It's awkward to kind of like, you know, years have passed by. It's been like, is it this time? I mean, 20 years, five years old to 28. So five years old, that's not, we said seven, seven. That's, that's 21 years. Yeah,

53:54Ralfy:definitely. As far as like how the world reacted to it, like, I don't know what kind of guy you are. Like, are you sitting there watching YouTube videos of people talking about it or like, like how in tune with the reaction was it? Cause I feel like a lot of people maybe didn't know how big he was or how big his impact was until it happened. And then that moment like brought in a lot more people who were, you know, couldn't believe his impact.

54:212Low:Yeah. Draco had a, Draco had a lot of people who loved him. He had a lot of people who, who, who appreciated that energy. We're talking about that, that, that cool guy. You come around and he make you feel cool. Like he was the guy that you, you know, you don't know him. You just met him, but he make you feel like, nah, man, you wanted the guys. That's how he was. So a lot of people, they all over the, you know, everywhere, they liked it him, man.

54:43Ralfy:Definitely. So I've seen you had a lot to say, too, about the fact that a lot of people, a lot of people are upset about other people running off with his style, using his flow, et cetera. But your take on it is more that this is, you know, it's a good thing. This is like just a sign of how influential he was and that you can't really look down.

55:062Low:That's the way I see it as my age. Yeah, yeah. It's like, you know what I'm saying? I mean, everybody learns from somebody. You know what I'm saying? And you got to understand, Draco was a movement. When he came in, he changed the whole game, the whole style of the West Coast and everything else. So, I mean, now that the game has changed and this is what the trend is to sound like this, of course other rappers and people are going to sound like that because that's what's in. It's kind of like when bell bottoms went out and skinny pants came in. You know, the dude's still wearing bell bottoms. everybody's wearing the skinny pants like everybody else so that's the way i look at it you know a lot of these people i mean it's just like with uh snoop and warren g snoop was i mean warren g was doing that style first everybody learned from somebody man yeah i mean like in the rap game

55:50Ralfy:i'm so used to seeing 30 year old men stealing shit from teenagers like this is just par for the course that it's just dudes are so thirsty to find anything that'll give them a moment help them make a hit song etc that they'll steal anything they'll steal stuff that is way less obvious way less like useful than draco's flow so to me yeah i mean it's it's you know you see this happening kind of constantly i guess like you know it's it's nice when you see somebody like title the creator that actually shouts draco out in a lyric to kind of just let everybody know like oh even the biggest artists from the west coast are aware of his contribution but when you see kendrick not doing it, does that hit you a little bit different?

56:31Ralfy:Because on one hand, it would be nice. On the other hand, it's probably at least a little bit political.

56:362Low:It did. I mean, because what I actually was listening, because I mean, I'm not a big Kendrick Lamar person listening to his music. Yeah, I'm really picky with music, you know, just being that I'm a musician and all that. But I heard this one song, his I'm like, wait, I didn't know if I was listening to a Draco song that I just didn't hear yet. I'm like, oh, this is one of my son's songs that I haven't heard yet. And that's not Draco. That's Kendall Jamar. I'm like, wait, that's Kendall Jamar? He sounds just like... And that's when I knew right there, oh, this guy, he sounds... The rhyme pattern, the syncopation, all of that was the same.

57:142Low:The flow, everything was the same. Now, far as him giving him the props, maybe it was a politic thing. maybe it was politics you know what i'm saying i can't be trying to go on that bandwagon right now with what i'm trying to do i'm trying to make this positive movement you know right now with you know these rappers and this rap stuff and if i you know shout out draco you know and just let people know i'm using this flow that might be bad for what i'm trying to do so i can understand it on that level but at some point you got to keep it real yeah i mean we'll probably be wondering

57:49Ralfy:forever what would happen if somebody asked kendrick in an interview you know like we gotta wait for that one you know if he was a normal rapper just did interviews then at some point somebody would ask him that i feel like we're probably never going to get a straight answer but it would be that would that would be such a crazy moment if somebody asked him because if he was just like oh yeah yeah draco i've heard him he's cool i would be like oh my god that was a fucking diss right there no that would be that would be like oh that would be a crazy level of shade

58:162Low:Yeah, that would be a straight dish right there. Come on now, man. Now you playing possum and dumb.

58:22Ralfy:Yeah. Fuck. That would be wild if anybody ever actually was able to get that done. But yeah, I don't think I've ever seen any blood ever show him love, really.

58:302Low:Adam, you could pull it off, right?

58:32Ralfy:You know, if I could, I would. But I feel like the only people who are going to get a Kendrick interview are going to be like a Zane Lowe or a Igro or somebody who's not going to ask that shit.

58:412Low:I mean, Kendrick Lamar, from what I see and I peep, he seems like a really down to earth person. He seems like a really down to earth person. person i think if you get at him he might you know he seems to be a down-to-earth person that's where he put the way he presents himself i just don't think he i just think he don't probably want all the drama and it comes with saying okay yeah man i use draco style and i don't think you

59:00Ralfy:would ever say that but i think that there's so many different ways where if he said big bang buddha in a song he even said there could be 80 other words in that like 20 seconds of rapping and every single stink team fan would be like boom he fucking he just did it he just acknowledged it You know, it's like he doesn't have to say something that is more of an overt endorsement.

59:202Low:But it's but but Adam, it's the rhyme patterns. Yeah, it's the syncopation. The whole rhyme. Dural Dural had his own. Rhyme Patterns and On Syncopation. If you listen to that song, that's him.

59:36Ralfy:Yeah. I mean, I think Kendrick loves shaping public conversation. And I think that he enjoys leaving you to wonder about a lot of stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But really, at the end of the day, he put out that album with eight features from underground LA artists. A lot of those artists are like, you know, 1 % as influential or important as Draco. And Kendrick knows about all them. So the idea that he wouldn't know about Draco or wouldn't like have heard a bunch of his music is absurd.

1:00:042Low:Wait, he said that?

1:00:05Ralfy:No, he didn't say it. I'm just saying that the idea that he wouldn't know about Draco or would just kind of be in the dark is hilarious. Like that's a joke. There's no possibility of that. Yeah. Um, okay. So I guess, uh, you know, one of the things that was going through my mind when I was at the funeral and stuff, like I'm, I'm just sitting there kind of overwhelmed by the sheer cruelty that ended us up in this situation of just how fucked up it is that young people are just out here killing each other over these beasts and everything. And then my mind kind of goes to earlier things. It's got to stop.

1:00:432Low:It's got to stop.

1:00:43Ralfy:Yeah. But this was in some ways a development based on other things that had happened back and forth and then nobody really involved in this as an angel.

1:00:522Low:Right.

1:00:52Ralfy:And I mean, I guess that has got to be something that kind of crossed your head while you were mourning.

1:00:592Low:A lot of people, they go. I mean, a lot of people are going to come with, man, he chose that life. But that doesn't just because he chose that life and he knows what he put himself into. That does not give you the right to kill or take somebody else's life. You know, that still doesn't give you the right. Because all it's going to do is keep going. Keep going. And the karma is going to keep coming. the universe is going to have to keep on going and pulling up on y 'all that got to reap what you sow and it's never going to end all the tough guys i know they in wheelchairs prison are just burnt

1:01:35Ralfy:out from them reaping a lot of them end up on drugs right yeah yeah no it's definitely yeah it's just uh such a horrible repetitive cycle that it's just it's crazy talking to somebody who's been in the game as long as you who had to watch this sort of inevitable cycle just play out

1:01:572Low:with your son right in front of you and just right in front like a movie like a movie man

1:02:04Ralfy:yeah crazy so after the fact there's a lot of conversations about the extent to which this could be a setup that live nation or other parties were responsible how involved with that Are you in terms of the lawsuit or in terms of just your own personal theories about how this might have played out? Well, I feel like Live Nation did not stab him.

1:02:352Low:OK, Live Nation did not. Pull the bully move and jump him 50 against one, 50 against seven. So Live Nation would, to me, would only be responsible of the fact that they didn't have proper security. But they're not the ones who did what was done to him. But if they would have had their setup set right, then it most likely 80%, 90 % wouldn't have happened. So with that being said, something's a little shady there.

1:03:12Ralfy:yeah i mean jeff weiss uh did a whole write-up about that night and i think he was kind of like embedded with the crew when they were pulling up and everything and he actually said that there was like sort of gang uh you know calls that he could kind of hear like while they were entering that there were sort of like gang things that people say i'm trying not to be specific i don't know why because it's in the fucking article. But, you know, it's like that he was kind of almost I think he said that like security was doing it, too. So there's like definitely a significant chance that like the security company itself was probably I mean, and we all know security guards in L.A.

1:03:53Ralfy:are just almost always somebody from a hood.

1:03:562Low:Yeah. Yeah. Because they know those are the dudes that come out with all the buffness and all that. You'll be security. Right.

1:04:04Ralfy:sometimes the security guard will like really really try to act like they're not from somewhere and then you'll kind of figure it out a few months later or whatever i think that shit man i'm secure

1:04:122Low:i'm being the security that night oh is that right yeah oh yeah he coming over here tonight man i got

1:04:17Ralfy:you that type you'll be looking at their tattoos and they'll be like no i'll just fuck with baseball yeah i'll just that's my team or whatever yeah i've had that one a few times yeah um yeah i mean And I guess we'll figure it out. But like, okay, in that last interview, somebody hit me up and said that you were being like intentionally cryptic and almost suggesting that you feel like there will be arrests.

1:04:412Low:Oh, yeah. I mean, because, you know, I'm a dad. I could feel it in my spirit. It's going to happen really soon. Like, it's, yeah, it's going to, yeah.

1:04:51Ralfy:But you haven't had conversations with people about specific details that might suggest that?

1:04:552Low:I mean by me being a very very popular person who I am in the streets and stuff like that I'm sure people would love to tell you they come up to me and they and they and they have these conversations like I say I ain't um you know I'm saying I ain't come here to drop no names but I'm just the triple OG spitting some gay but I would tell you though I know yeah yeah because I mean

1:05:21Ralfy:really it just takes one person facing a super serious charge where them snitching on that situation might get them some leniency and when you talk about this I mean it seems like it could be you know dozens of people involved in a conspiracy so it's pretty easy to imagine somebody deciding to talk about it at some point

1:05:422Low:a lot of them up there knew what was going down a lot of them up there knew what was going down everybody ain't just in the dressing room. Everybody ain't just in the back.

1:05:53Ralfy:Definitely. So why did you decide to come out and do interviews after four or so years of silence?

1:06:032Low:Because like I said, I feel in my spirit, this is the time that something's going to happen.

1:06:08Ralfy:Really?

1:06:092Low:Yeah, I think the universe is going to crash in.

1:06:15Ralfy:And you just felt like you wanted to get ahead of it and sort of speak your piece?

1:06:202Low:I just felt like this is the time for me to, you know, like I said, I wasn't trying to, you know, as soon as it happened, be out there trying to clout chase or all this stuff. I just felt like, you know, this is the time for me to let them know. And my very firm, hard speech is, whoever you are, and whatever group you are, you're going to reap what you sow. Every last one of you. and I'm pretty sure all of these ones that was the bullies and the tough guys they got sons, they got kids and it's going to be that kid they love the most, the one that reminded them just like me that same pain, that kid that reminded them so much of them that's what reminds me of me a lot and karma's going to come right in

1:07:07Ralfy:Is there a part of you that feels sadness picturing people being taken away from their family even if they took your kid

1:07:142Low:away from you yes i i mean i i wouldn't want that to happen to nobody i don't even i don't even want the karma to come back on them but unfortunately that's not the way it works

1:07:27Ralfy:for sure um so throughout all this like i mean the relationship with you and ralphie just seems

1:07:362Low:like it's totally just stalled out like it's kind of stalled i think you know i go to a lot of his stuff and sometimes I just kind of like try to feel his vibe to see you know how he's feeling how he's thinking you know I mean I love my son a lot man you know I'm saying it's unfortunate situation what happened with through this trial of you know dad and the son and the family and all of that all of that stuff out there but it's just I don't know what he'd be thinking I don't

1:08:02Ralfy:know what he'd be thinking yeah because I mean I feel like at a certain point a lot of dudes like even if you've got a grudge against your pops you start to be able to realize what they were going through and what their lives were like and you start to develop some sense of like understanding about that that even if your dad wasn't perfect that you're able to look at him and say you know what i'm not perfect either so i can kind of relate to this like i mean do you feel like there's a chance that he might kind of switch over to that at some point well because when i asked him for your number i so i'm watching the interview and i text him and say yo you got to give me a dad's number i got to interview him and then as i'm watching it more i'm like getting the realization of like oh they're not necessarily on good terms right now and he hadn't texted me back yet why are we not on good terms let's let's let's ask the right why are we

1:08:592Low:not on good terms? What would be the reason for him not to be on good terms with me?

1:09:03Ralfy:The only stuff that I've seen, if it goes deeper than the idea that you just weren't around during their childhood, then I don't know about anything deeper than that.

1:09:112Low:That's not the truth. That was not a situation that I could, somebody could pinpoint and say, you were a dad that avoided trying to be around them. That's not the truth at all. That's their slogan, right? Ain't that their slogan? We know the truth. We didn't tell the truth.

1:09:30Ralfy:the truth can be controversial it can be hard to arrive at the truth his opinion of the truth

1:09:352Low:could be i mean it's what he thinks of the truth it could be totally different for me because you gotta remember he was seven he was seven when all of this this this happened so i don't know how good kids memories are because i can't remember nothing when i was seven can any of y 'all remember anything when y 'all seven like glimpses you know yeah like when you remember Jesse anything when you're seven you can't I can't I mean when you're seven I feel

1:10:00Ralfy:like you you remember some random time you were in the shoe store with your mom and you know just these little glimpses that are still left over you know but then you also have like an overall understanding of your childhood that you know whether it was happy or sad or you know it's just little glimpses okay if you could go back to being you know 25 or whatever when you when they were really young looking back on it if you could change anything or if you could relive those

1:10:282Low:years what would you have done differently what i would have done differently grabbed draco and ralphie which is devontae and duro and i would have punched out because look the the school teacher was telling me what to do i'm gonna put all her business out there but she was telling She said, you need to just take them and move out of state. And that is what I would be my answer. I would have grabbed them and punched out of state with them.

1:10:55Ralfy:Do you think it would have worked if you took them to, you know, Henderson, Nevada or some shit? Yeah. You would have been able to keep them out of trouble, at least for, at least it would have slowed the progress down.

1:11:052Low:Yeah. Cause I mean, they're going to turn 18 at some point.

1:11:08Ralfy:Yeah. But I would have been on trying to push another lyric.

1:11:122Low:Somebody asked me that before. I said, do you think they would have been Draco the Ruler and Ralphie the Plug if they was living with you? I'm like, no, I don't think. I think the streets turned them. I think they I think the streets turned them into Draco the Ruler and Ralphie the Plug.

1:11:29Ralfy:Yeah, I mean, it's crazy that you are probably responsible for turning them into rappers regardless because you just introduced them to music from such a young age. and I really feel like you know a lot of times when I see people who are successful with music it just happens to be the person who started getting their reps in when they were really young like they learned an instrument super young or they were 12 recording in their room and then by the time they're 22 they got like 10 years of fucking experience and they just figured out how to make music good and stuff but you also didn't necessarily know that we were going to enter into this future in which music was kind of used as like a conduit for so many of the tensions in the streets.

1:12:11And then that ended up kind of becoming, you know, ultimately a big part of everything that

1:12:16Ralfy:happened.

1:12:162Low:Because I remember Darryl used to tell me, he'd be listening to music. He'd come to my house, he'd be listening to music. He said, Dad, you're not listening to the song. And I would laugh like he's really paying attention to him. And at that particular time, I think he liked it to listen to Drake's music. Yeah, he was listening to Drake's music all the time. He's like, no, dad, you got to listen to what he's saying. And I would laugh. Like it was like, he didn't listen to, he's like, no, dad, you got to listen to what he said. Like, you know, listen, listen to this part, listen to this bar right here.

1:12:442Low:And he's talking about Drake. And that's crazy. Cause they ended up doing a song later.

1:12:48Ralfy:Yeah. Drake ended up being one of the like key people that really reached out to him in a situation that like, you know, just, he really didn't have to, he just straight up, just appreciates good music and just reached out. It's crazy. Yeah, absolutely and then i remember like seeing them at a club together and that tripped me out because like the draco that i met in 2016 i just really did not picture him being in a nightclub or like being on some friendly shit just like hanging out with everybody and then i'm seeing him just wearing a nice outfit in the club and i'm like holy fuck this is like a different like i was proud to have seen him get to that point in life where he was you know opening up and being willing to do more stuff and and to even have drake just embracing him i don't know it's fucking crazy and

1:13:302Low:That was a person that he definitely looked up to and listened to his music because he used to be listening to his Drake music a lot.

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1:14:232Low:I have 10 sons and 2 daughters Holy shit

1:14:26Ralfy:The youngest ones are how old now?

1:14:302Low:Kevin and Nathan.

1:14:32Ralfy:And they're how old?

1:14:352Low:Kevin is 24 and Nathan's 23.

1:14:39Ralfy:For sure. You think you're done?

1:14:402Low:Oh, man. Yeah, I'm done. I have another kid. Y 'all gonna say, I think I drank a dad on the roof. He's gonna jump.

1:14:47Ralfy:I'll jump off. But I mean, at this point, you're already putting up NBA young boy numbers. What's a few more, right?

1:14:532Low:Yeah, true that.

1:14:54Ralfy:I mean, it's not like you're gonna be planning on it. It's just it could just happen, right?

1:14:582Low:Oh, Jonathan. Yeah.

1:15:00Ralfy:Oh, man. What, you're the kid you've forgotten that? Yeah. Shit.

1:15:062Low:Oh, shit. And he looks, he is, he is Draco's twin. He looks, they're twins. They look exactly alike.

1:15:16Ralfy:Right. So, you were talking in that other interview, there's an Instagram reel of you on stage at the concert. I think you were, you weren't speaking, but you were, it was something from your perspective that was kind of doing well, got like a hundred thousand, something views and then got taken down and you were alluding to the fact that somebody was responsible, but you weren't talking about Ralphie. I don't think, Oh, well, maybe we're a bit. No, I'm just saying. Okay. So,

1:15:422Low:okay. So no, I'm not going, I don't have no proof of nothing anyway, but it got to 90 ,000 views, a hundred thousand because we were talking about that. And then next thing you know, the video gets taken down and I'm like, inpatient TV. I said, okay, well, why'd he take it down? Hey, bro, you put the video up. You could take the video down if you want. I was just wondering why. Why did she take it down? It was getting some numbers. Ain't that what they do it for? Sure. So why'd he take it down? So that means that somebody from that crew said take that video down. And I got an idea who that somebody was.

1:16:22Ralfy:Interesting.

1:16:232Low:Somebody said take that video down.

1:16:29Ralfy:um yeah i mean like what's the feedback been since you did that other interview because i feel like people are probably like really fascinated to find out who draco and ralphie's dad is but then they also understand that maybe you aren't on the best terms with ralphie so i mean is it a lot of

1:16:452Low:love from the fan base or is it some yeah okay i was i was kind of like uh my uh son uh lorenzo was like dad do you read the comments i'm like no i haven't read any of the comments so i seen it was a bunch of comments so once i started reading the comments i would say that it was 90 percent people that was interested in the story positive and there was probably about 10 percent of people you know the trolls and all that there was saying what they had to say i'm like why would they say something like that or he's how dad they be is that the word trolling yeah oh did i say right trolling he said no dad they be trolling i'm like what i said what does that mean what does trolling mean what does that mean oh they they just saying whatever they can say to get some attention to piss you off i'm like how does that make i still don't understand it yeah it's a weird world yeah like what do you mean i mean why would you say speak on something that you a person that you don't even know and say something just like that oh dad that's how that he's trying to explain it to me like dad they do that because you know they they get it they got to get some attention but at the same time i'm like all right man forget it now i want to know yeah it's a weird feeling

1:17:52Ralfy:when you like look at a comment section on something you did and you just have like the most negative con comments possible but you also kind of know that they probably don't really feel that strongly about what they're saying they're just saying something to because that's the easiest way to get some likes or get some attention on whatever they're saying you know that's that's i can understand how that's tough to comprehend at a certain point what um how do you feel about uh what's been done so far to keep draco's name alive obviously there's always these projects that come into place like once a rapper passes away where people are trying to you know figure out the right way to continue to bring money in for the family as well as promote their legacy etc like you know obviously ralphie's kind of at the the helm of it how do you feel about that

1:18:342Low:i feel i really appreciate uh all the people that support uh draco the ruler and all the people who are his his fans and stuff like that i really i really feel that you guys are true supporters and it's all good it's all positive it's all keep his name alive he i'm trust me i'm the dad you can't trust me you don't really know but but he was a good kid he was a good kid he had a good spirit and that's why he smiled all the time so he was a good kid definitely how do you uh have you ever listened to rimble yeah the guy kid from san pedro yeah yeah yeah you're a fan uh rimble uh he sounded it was another guy who kind of sounded like Draco.

1:19:152Low:So, you know, I just thought like that was like, they, another person that Draco probably was like, uh, okay. Yeah, man, you kind of got this flow, like what I'm doing, you know, let's do some stuff together. But you know, he, he, he sounded, he sounded pretty cool.

1:19:27Ralfy:I actually didn't even think about it till now that the, the rumble and Draco situation is exactly like the mustard and Draco situation. Pretty much. It's the exact situation, but like a little bit down the road and their roles have been reversed where Draco now is trying to sign. somebody gives them a look, does a whole record with them, helps turn them up, and then that person doesn't want to sign to them, and he feels annoyed by it, which is exactly what Mustard did with him.

1:19:522Low:Yeah, it is in karma. Yes, it's crazy. Now that you said that, it is kind of like the exact same situation. Damn. Think about that one.

1:20:03Ralfy:Yeah, it's crazy how the situation could switch up like that.

1:20:062Low:um and and that that kid that uh uh ripple kid uh he he like he was like admired draco like draco was doing uh drake you know what i'm saying he was like listening to him like you know that was a person that he looked up to like you know oh yeah yeah and i mean it was pretty crazy because

1:20:24Ralfy:it's like rumble came out with like really good music yeah a bunch of big records and everything and then it kind of felt like after the drago thing it got kind of quiet and then he came back doing this whole beefing with Ralphie and the Stink Team thing, which was a little weird, you know, getting to see them do stuff that we haven't really seen them do. Ralphie's all of a sudden, he's in San Pedro. He's like, you know, filming selfie videos in the parking lot and shit. That was kind of wild to just be like, oh, okay. But I feel like, because I know Rumble's like dropping a new project or whatever.

1:20:53Ralfy:So I guess we're going to see like how much interest that people have. Because I think he's independent now too. He got some flow. Yeah, he's a good rapper. He just needs to keep the situation going. I don't know, though. The Draco issues kind of are larger than life for a lot of the fans. It's just going to be hard for them to ever think of him as a rapper outside of that. Right. That's really kind of like the test of how his fan base is going to be over time, I think. Ralphie the Plug or AD?

1:21:252Low:I got to go with my son. I got to go with Ralphie. I got to go with Ralphie. You know what? And somebody brought that to my attention. I said, who is this AD guy? I told Lorenzo, I said, send me his link so I can listen to his music. Let me judge. Okay. I'll be a fair judge. I think Ralphie has a little bit more swagger.

1:21:41Ralfy:For sure.

1:21:412Low:I think he got a little bit more swagger, and I think he, you know what I'm saying? You know, Ralphie got his own style and stuff. So, yeah. I don't want Ralphie.

1:21:49Ralfy:Okay. I respect that. Yeah. AD, I feel like AD would thrive more as a New York City rapper. Yeah. To me, he's got that sort of like.

1:21:582Low:I agree with that.

1:21:58Ralfy:I don't know. Like when he has a record, they put out like on the radar the other day and I was listening to it on Instagram and I was like, you know what? This this just sounds like somebody who would be more appreciated than New York, which I mean, where is he originally from? Compton.

1:22:112Low:Oh, Compton.

1:22:12Ralfy:Yeah.

1:22:132Low:Hmm.

1:22:14Ralfy:Yeah. OK. Yeah, I guess that's pretty much all the questions. Oh, I do want to mention catchy because he was he was your nephew, technically. Right.

1:22:252Low:Catchy? No, it wasn't my nephew, but he was just like, you know, they would all come out there to my house out there in Riverside. Catchy would always be quiet, though. He would come out there. He would be the one that would just listen and look. He wouldn't say nothing. Because you know how you guys see him, and he's really aggressive in his rap songs and all that. But when he came out there to my house, he would just kick back and just wouldn't say nothing.

1:22:50Ralfy:Yeah. No, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's been wild just seeing how many different Stink Team affiliates have kind of passed over the years. They lost Say So the MAC earlier this year and everything. It is kind of wild. I mean, I don't know. What is your thoughts on that, especially just the violence and the drugs kind of in equal measure almost?

1:23:122Low:That should be a message. That should be a very concrete, clear message. You guys are either going to jail or you're dying. something has to change here

1:23:29yeah

1:23:31Ralfy:yeah I mean Ralphie actually I heard him have a bar the other day where he was talking about how the best thing he's done is stop drinking lean and popping pills and shit which is nice to see him reaching the point in his life where he's got that mature of a perspective and he's able to realize that a lot of the stuff is just not good for him you know for sure um okay so i guess uh oh oh i just realized lush added a fucking question to this ask him about stick man the president who is drago's older brother who's a christian rapper that's who i brought that's him yeah oh shit that's crazy i didn't realize

1:24:11Ralfy:yeah oh you're gonna add him in oh sick yeah yeah let's do that that's that's that would be fucking super interesting yeah okay shit okay so uh you're drago's older brother yeah how old are you 37 37 damn so like you've been sitting there this whole time listening to this i didn't realize that you were his older brother like what what needs to be said that we haven't talked about like anything kind of stand out that is important to reference um i mean i have my death my my separate stories

1:24:39Drakeo:as well of them, you know. But I can say, I'll say this. I remember, like, when I first knew, like, I was like, yeah, he going to be a little superstar. So, because I used to play football. So I think it's around the time I was in junior college. But my dad, he threw a, we had, yeah, I think it was Daryl and Devontae, Draco and Ralphie, and then my other brothers and some other people there. But my dad had a dance contest. And he's my. You organized a dance contest?

1:25:182Low:We used to have little family gatherings.

1:25:20Drakeo:Yo, that's what I'm like. Yo, they going crazy. But Daryl stood out. He was going crazy. You know, he throwing his hands. He all clown edition. and um he beat out davante and all the girls everybody they get a prize and i was like and he he got money yeah so and that that's when i knew i was like i was like oh little bro you know i'm saying he he got it so that was my little personal for him as far as that but i got a whole bunch of different stories of little things that you know stood out you know i'm saying i remember like uh

1:25:59Drakeo:this was I feel like right around the time we kind of like because we was looking for him for a long time.

1:26:07Ralfy:Sorry, just the light went out. No, it's all good. We'll fix it in a second. You can just keep going.

1:26:13Drakeo:Yeah, but so there was a point where we didn't know where they was at. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, then I can't even remember exactly how we reconnected, but I feel like it was like around the time when like Facebook started popping off and stuff.

1:26:30Ralfy:So wait, okay. During how many years older than them? Are you, uh, I'm six years older than Daryl. Okay. So like when he's telling the stories about them kind of just being out of control and being off the porch and shit, what's your role in that?

1:26:432Low:Like it was my detective. He would find out.

1:26:45Ralfy:Yeah.

1:26:46Drakeo:Um, so yeah, I mean, it's a lot of, it's a lot of, um, cause I was watching him. They was younger. I was beating him up. You know what I'm saying? and all types of stuff. I was ordering, yeah, I mean, at one point, when they was, I think they was like around six or whatever, I was probably like, yeah, 11, something like that. I would be, I mean, I'm the older brother. I'm ordering pizza. I'm doing all types of stuff. I'm beating them up, you know what I'm saying? I remember one time, I think my dad went to the club or something like that, and I was at the crib by myself.

1:27:19Ralfy:He's a habitual clubber.

1:27:19Drakeo:Yeah, he was a real lifer, like for real. But, yeah, so my brothers was there. My sister was there. I think Ivory, she was at, she was with her mom. She was with her mom a lot. But, yeah, I ordered some pizza. They came through. And, yeah, Daryl and my younger sister, Valencia, they got into a little fight, and Daryl scratched her. She still got the scratch on her eye until today, but Daryl clawed her up real good. I had to knock them out. Like, boom, bow, you know what I'm saying? real quick. I know you never told me that story. Yeah. Yeah. She still got the scar on her face to this day, but Daryl, you know, Daryl was a little, he was feisty.

1:27:59Drakeo:You know what I'm saying?

1:28:00Ralfy:He was his own man. So, like, were you guys super close, or was it a little bit of distance between you because of the age gap and shit? Like, especially as they get older and are outside and they're becoming rappers and everything.

1:28:13Drakeo:Yeah, I mean, at one point, you know, when we was younger, we was all close. You know, but yeah, like you said, distance kind of, yeah, kind of creates separation But we was always, like my dad said, whenever he got a tip, hey, I heard they on Vermont. We a hop in the car. We out of here. Like, for real. That was like a real life thing. You know what I'm saying? We drive it down, you know what I'm saying, trying to figure out where they at.

1:28:362Low:Tell them the time that we caught them coming across Normandy. And I said, they ran.

1:28:41Drakeo:And they saw us and skirted off, peeled off on us.

1:28:452Low:I've never seen kids' feet move that fast. They was running. I didn't even think kids could run that fast.

1:28:50Drakeo:They was definitely told, like, if you see your dad, you know what I'm saying, get up out of there. You know what I'm saying? That's what it was, for sure.

1:29:00Ralfy:Definitely. So by the time they really start popping off as rappers, though, were you close with them at that time or, like, being around during that era?

1:29:08Drakeo:I was trying my hardest. You know, I had my own stuff going on. I was in sports. So, like, when I would come home from college or whatever, you know what I'm saying, I'd try to tap in or whatever. when they was in jail because it was a tough little spot where I was in college I'd come back home and then okay they in jail so I would try my hardest to try to get you know what I'm saying go to one of their court dates or whatever like Daryl I went to his last court date right before the day he got out you know what I'm saying a lot of people don't know that but yeah I would try to show up I put money on

1:29:432Low:they was thinking every time he was on court they would think he was Ralph

1:29:46Drakeo:they was on me

1:29:472Low:They was like, wait, aren't you locked up right now? Right.

1:29:50Drakeo:Yeah, they kept staring at me. They was on me. Yeah, they made me get my ID, all of that.

1:29:54Ralfy:Right. Yeah. But why do you think there was that distance? Did they see you as being closer with your dad? So to them, it was kind of, they didn't feel that closeness to you? Nah. Was there like mom's side and dad's side in the family kind of?

1:30:10Drakeo:No, we had our own relationship too. Like, I mean, it just kind of like jail, jail kind of like separates you. Like they was in their own mentality. They had their own shit going on. But I mean, at one point I was, I would go pick up, you know, Daryl. I would try to take Daryl and Devante, but I'll pick up Daryl and go drop them off in my sister house. And that's, I got another story where I'm just driving. We randomly driving and I'm taking them to my sister house to kind of like spend some time with them. You know, we try to rekindle and try to be an older brother. So I, um, we just driving in and randomly he, uh, um, I, uh, I can't remember.

1:30:47Drakeo:I think he rolled down the window and he looked at me and was like, man, I'm about to get a Maserati. I'm like, he's like 13 or 14, something like that. I was like, yo, I was like, man, you got to start. You got to start somewhere. You know what I'm saying? But he was like, nah, I'm going to get a Maserati. I don't care. I was like, this dude, funny, man. But he always had high ambition. I got to respect him for it, man. But yeah, like we had those little times where we was trying to build a relationship, but I think jail kind of like kept, you know, and then he was in a hole where he couldn't talk to nobody at one point in time.

1:31:24Drakeo:And I think, you know, I think I think I think both of my brothers, I think anytime you go to jail and you get out, it's just like, you know, saying who was there for me or, you know, saying so I think, you know, I'm saying I can't be mad at nobody for feeling a certain type of way. but I always try to have time stamps of trying to show up I have something to say

1:31:462Low:at some point we have to stop with that plain victim because that's that's the card right there wasn't nobody around when I was in jail but when you trapping and you doing all your stuff you spending the money you ain't around nobody so let's just keep it 100 But at the end of the day, don't use that plain victim card to separate yourself from your family. It doesn't matter. You made it. You're good now. The money is only as good as at the end of the day, the people you help with it. Because once you get, I mean, people that only people that don't realize that is the people who ain't never had anything.

1:32:342Low:Would you say that's fair, Adam? people that people that are people that are rich they know that this is not really true happiness it's not real true happiness you okay so now you got a bunch of things you just sit around all day and look at them and you're pointing to the thing oh no that's not making me happy oh that's not it

1:32:52Ralfy:but you kind of have to like get to that point of having all your material needs satisfied and then some for you to sort of realize like oh this is not because most people will spend their whole life trying to get rich and they never will but meanwhile the pursuit of it will occupy like 99 of their brain yeah you know so it's like they never really get to see what that's like at a certain point getting money as a person who like doesn't really have a lot of like material desires i just kind of realized like oh i'm so glad that i got enough money to realize that past a certain point it's not really making you much happier but like them at that point they're still like building to that level of comfortability and they're living like unbelievably expensive lifestyles let's be totally real if you're drinking lean and moving around buying$800 shoes all day you need a lot of fucking money to feel like you got money at that point so if you were

1:33:442Low:in your house right now Adam what would be in your house that you would pick and say now that's it that's what makes me happy what would it be nothing see

1:33:52Ralfy:I got a kid and a girl and that's like that's my point when we thought for like five minutes that the fires might be approaching our house and I kind of thought what do I have that I need it was like nothing I don't give a fuck about any of that shit

1:34:072Low:the only thing that I would say that's in my house that I would say that's it is my drum set that's it

1:34:14Ralfy:actually yeah I would take my laptop

1:34:172Low:all this expensive stuff is just a laptop and a pair of drumsticks

1:34:21Drakeo:definitely gotta take a laptop for sure

1:34:24Ralfy:as long as I got access to the internet I'll be alright

1:34:262Low:to be totally honest All right, that's weird. That's weird.

1:34:30Ralfy:So where do you stand on the sort of dueling narratives about your pops? Like, on one hand, it's like he's saying that he wanted to be there and it was just too tough with the mom. And then Ralphie clearly kind of feels like not enough effort was put forth. I think that's the reason why we're here,

1:34:50Drakeo:is to kind of close that gap and kind of give everybody information. I think you know when you're growing up and you're a kid man you're trying to that's all you know is what you know but everybody got a story and you know for it to be put out there I feel like that's going to you know what I'm saying I think that could lead to bringing everybody together in my opinion but I think yeah I was there

1:35:19Ralfy:and you're a bit older observing it. Like six years older watching how this is playing out.

1:35:25Drakeo:I was there when they would be arguing. You know, I was there when a lot of that was going on. I was there, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, we really lived in the hood. You know what I'm saying? We go outside, it's niggas outside hitting weights like some real West Coast, you know what I'm saying? Baby boy type shit. You know what I'm saying?

1:35:472Low:It was the set. So, everybody, My house is where all the homies was out. I had the weights out there. Everybody would sit out there all day long lifting weights, and they all hung out at my house. My house was that spot.

1:36:00Drakeo:Yeah, we was really in the hood, and I really knew Darlene. I've been knowing Darlene for a long time, so I've seen a lot of the good and the bad. Yeah, I think it's just information that just needs to get out there so that, you know, honestly, it ain't nothing but a discussion. It ain't nothing but, you know what I'm saying, At the end of the day, that's our bloodline. So when my brother passed away on some real shit, I felt my blood leaving. So, you know what I'm saying? I'm not just here to just be here like, you know what I'm saying? It's really to bring the family closer, honestly. Because you ain't nothing without your family.

1:36:37Drakeo:Your blood going to be with you there. You know what I'm saying? You need your blood. You know what I'm saying? It's cool to have friends and all of these different people. But at the end of the day, you know what I'm saying? I feel like all of that is like could just wither away like a storm. You need people that's your bloodline because your bloodline is your kingdom. You know what I'm saying? So you got to keep the kingdom together. All the other shit is minute. Niggas got to stick together. You know what I'm saying? So yeah. I'm carrying on the motherfucking legacy. I'm rapping. I make books.

1:37:11Drakeo:I write books. I make clothes. Shit, this shit ain't over. You resent the Christian rapper label? Yeah, that's out That's a lush But I mean, you know what I'm saying? I respect it And you know what I'm saying? Like my dad said The first person that introduced me to God Was my grandma His mother So at the end of the day Shit You know what I'm saying? We all need a little bit of something to believe in Whether you care about Whether you care or not You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna go out Believing what I'm gonna believe You go out believing what you gonna believe at the end of the day, there ain't no losses.

1:37:48Drakeo:You know what I'm saying? That's how I feel. Did you ever talk to Draco about God? Nah. When I talked to him, he probably like in jail and I'm like, hey nigga, keep your head up. You know what I'm saying? Keep your head up. You know what I'm saying? That was like, I feel like one of the last time I talked, I feel like that was like 20.

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1:38:36Drakeo:18 or something like that.

1:38:382Low:Tell them the story where Daryl told you. He said something. I'm going to kill you. So what did he tell you?

1:38:44Drakeo:Oh, yes. That was. That sounds like a good one. So, yeah, my sister had a I think it was like a prom party or something like that. And we went over there. I was probably. That was like in like 2015 or something like that. And, yeah, we were still trying to, you know, I'm saying close the gap, trying to, you know, spend some time with our siblings and stuff. and this was really like they was they was just starting to like really kind of make create a buzz and stuff they wasn't really popping like that but they was kind of creating a buzz you know um but anyways i went i was over there you know try to spend some time uh show some support from my sister ivory and uh daryl was there and davante and all his homies was there i was whooping uh yeah so daryl um damn i can say this oh yeah i can say that so anyways daryl had like an ak and uh and uh yeah he just in the background fucking around like just you know like shooting it in the air and shit like wait how was he he was uh i mean i i was uh like 27 or something like

1:40:04Ralfy:that so he was 20 yeah so yeah shooting a an ak in a house nah outside the house they had like a

1:40:12Drakeo:little back part okay you see some of their videos they be in the back squabbling yeah that's where all of him and his homies be kicking it holy shit so yeah daryl was in the back you know i'm saying fucking around and i walked by him i'm like you better get that shit out my fucking face and he like uh he was like nigga i'll shoot you i'm like bitch you better keep it pushing you know That was his sick humor But it was like I understood it Because that's the way I fuck around So I was like Bitch get out of my face But nah that's my brother I understood We all Very close in birthdays We all Sagittarius So my dad's a Sagittarius I am and so is my brother Daryl Bingo

1:40:56Ralfy:November 24th November 23rd

1:41:00Drakeo:What year? 87 83 My god But yeah man So like we all have Very similar personalities Like you know Outgoing But also you could be You know Chill and shit But yeah That's how he communicated That's how we communicate We will always just talk shit To each other You know And uh I even do that shit With uh You know uh Devontae Ralphie Every once in a while When we You know we When I see him It's always shit talking I'm talking shit To all my siblings That's just how I am

1:41:29Ralfy:So are you and Ralphie

1:41:30Drakeo:not really in communication no i mean i just saw him uh at my sister's baby shower oh okay so like you know um yeah i mean we was cool we always cool i went to his uh he he invited me to uh his kid's birthday party all of that so i mean we ain't super super close but you know i think everything takes time you know i think everything takes time because yeah

1:41:53Ralfy:uh uh time heals everything do you uh you ever tell them like hey you gotta give pops a chance

1:42:00Drakeo:nah I think that's I think I think that's their own battle to work out you know what I'm saying but I do try to lead by example so you know what I'm saying I do try to you know what I'm saying I do try to like keep everybody together I call you know what I'm saying hey you know my dad this is just how he is you know what I'm saying some people you gotta meet them where they at you know what I'm saying

1:42:282Low:like when Gistel Dubs they always got an attitude

1:42:29Drakeo:dude oh that's what yeah he he was trying to figure out like what you know i'm saying what's up with your pops you know i said that's just how that nigga is you know i'm saying he don't just he ain't just trusting in everybody that nigga a street nigga and you know i'm saying he he a real individual so he gonna read you until you know i'm saying the book start making sense the book start making sense he's like okay for sure you know i'm saying i i keep reading i you know i'm saying yeah actually last time i seen him he was really cool dub yeah he was uh actually

1:43:002Low:I think that was another thing Ralphie had probably deliberately been like okay my dad come make sure he keep him back you know I don't know you know but definitely Ralphie trying to like shadow band you kind of is that the new slang is that the new slang shadow band okay so yeah that would be

1:43:19Ralfy:well that's what I was thinking about when I heard you talking about him having the mother speak at the concert and you were on stage but weren't really giving the mic

1:43:272Low:So Dub was like, man, come on, man. You coming to the front.

1:43:30Ralfy:Right.

1:43:30Drakeo:Shout out Desto Dub. Shout out Desto Dub.

1:43:32Ralfy:I mean, Dub is kind of like the ultimate dude in terms of getting along with everybody. Everybody I know got beef with everybody else. And somehow Dub is like the one person I know who manages to stay pretty much on good terms with everybody.

1:43:472Low:A-Ternal gonna be a really cool guy.

1:43:48Drakeo:I don't know him like that, but every time I, you know, meet him, every time I, you know, talk to him, he's super cool. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Super cool. It's good, too.

1:43:552Low:So what did he say about me? He said, man, your dad be tripping.

1:44:00Drakeo:Like that nigga, he basically was just saying like, you know, basically why that nigga be trying to set Tripp. Or, you know, he said some shit like that, similar to that. Were you bang on somebody at the concert? Basically, my dad just be stared at the office, you know what I'm saying? I probably did bang on him. You know what I'm saying? My dad be stared at the office and shit. So, you know what I'm saying? he not and you gotta think about it like this you know Ralphie and all his crew and you know my dad is kinda like we ain't seen this nigga you know what I'm saying so like I could kinda like see you know everybody kinda like trying to figure out how to meet in the middle

1:44:422Low:they was coming to Riverside to barbecues and all of that over there

1:44:45Drakeo:those are people that we talking about the original stink team

1:44:492Low:they got a whole bunch of new people The ones that had the fixie bikes. Yeah. I told Ralphie, I said, bro, I know the original stink team, bro, the ones that had the fixie bikes before the hoverboards.

1:45:01Ralfy:Ooh. It's a lot of new. So many dated references. Yeah.

1:45:052Low:Because it went from the fixies.

1:45:07Ralfy:Jerkins, fixies, and hoverboards. Yes. That was an error right now. Yeah, that's the truth. Hoverboard, that's crazy. Oh, man, there was a while there where you weren't getting no pussy unless you had a hoverboard. That's right. But God's getting all the pussy with a hoverboard, guys.

1:45:202Low:Get them online for five bucks

1:45:22Ralfy:with the

1:45:242Low:cord and everything.

1:45:26Ralfy:There's like old Soulja Boy music videos of him rapping just going back and forth on the hoverboard like in the driveway and shit.

1:45:33Drakeo:I think I'm like traumatized from seeing Mike Tyson just bust his ass at one time in his living room. He was hoverboarding trying to be cool and boom, feet in the air.

1:45:42Ralfy:You gotta be paying attention on the hoverboard. I've never been on one. I don't think so. Maybe I try to step on one for like a second.

1:45:502Low:You guys got to get him on a hoverboard and film it, man.

1:45:52Ralfy:I mean, it looks fun. Yeah. I mean, I'm not against it, for sure.

1:45:55Drakeo:You got to catch your rhythm and stuff, like rock and rock.

1:45:58Ralfy:But there's still, like, dudes out there that you'll see them. They got, like, the black circle thing. It's just like a circle, and they just have little pedals. One wheel? And it's just a guy like this going through traffic fast as fuck. Yeah. Yeah. Fast and all the cars up. Yeah. I was with my kid on Melrose the other day, and she said, what's that? And I just had no idea how to explain it.

1:46:17Drakeo:it's kind of like you want to say it's a unicycle but like yeah upgraded unicycle

1:46:21Ralfy:I was like it's just like a wheel that the dude stands on it goes really fast I felt like such an idiot I needed to like access the AI in order to give any sort of coherent answer you gotta be a different

1:46:33Drakeo:breed too to hop on one of them things now I see everybody on the electric bikes now yeah yeah

1:46:38Ralfy:that's the new wave yeah they on the electric bikes they pushing yeah that's like the pussification of our country right there It's like, damn, you ain't even going to develop your fucking leg muscles and just crank through. Like, to me, that was always the fun part about bikes. It's like just fucking pedaling, man. Right.

1:46:54Drakeo:We got the pegs. You know what I'm saying? We hitting willies. We building ramps. Yeah. What?

1:46:59Ralfy:Put a motor on it. Right. Hold on. Okay. So you never made music with Draco?

1:47:06Drakeo:Nah, I didn't start making music till 2020.

1:47:09Ralfy:Okay.

1:47:12Drakeo:So, yeah, I was playing sports for a long time. I was playing football. I went to college for, you know, I had a scholarship for sports and football. So, yeah, I mean, that wasn't really my thing. Well, I mean, you know, my dad, like you said, he taught us to, like, you know what I'm saying, the fundamentals and stuff. So at one point I wanted to, you know, play the drums. And I thought I was a drummer. I went out in elementary and, you know what I'm saying, I kept getting suspended because I was fighting a lot. And so I got kicked off the drum team and I just started playing sports after that.

1:47:44Drakeo:and then out of nowhere I don't know man it was kind of like a I don't know some kind of whisper or some shit like something just told me hey pull over and start writing I'm like alright so I just started writing you know we was already indoors pandemic and all of that so that's kind of how everything started taking off one of my home girls came to the house she was like she saw my rhymes and stuff she was like you need to get in the studio I'm like alright I'm like, all right, for sure. So that's kind of how I took off. And I had reached out to my brother, like, you know, to say congratulations when he first got out.

1:48:21Drakeo:And to tell him, like, I was at your court date, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, I think he was just trying to, he was trying to, like, I'm out, you know, and, like, trying to. So I was trying to also give him his little space.

1:48:37Ralfy:Yeah.

1:48:37Drakeo:That's another thing I always have regrets about. I was like, damn, man, maybe I should have, you know, just kept reaching out. And you know what I'm saying? Even if it I like, you know, just on some aggressive shit. Like, that's my brother.

1:48:482Low:Like, because he was trying to move Kevin into that mansion they had. Right. Right before he died.

1:48:53Ralfy:Right. Because it's so easy to like, especially these days with social media and everything, it's just so easy to like have somebody that you want to have a close relationship with and you just got mad shit going on and you just don't really build that. But also think about where he was at is that he's just did a bunch of jail time, like probably super fucked in the head from being in solitary for mad long. He's also got this whole drug thing going on with the lean and the perks and the whatnot, which and then he's also like becoming rapidly more famous. These are three things that I could see very easily kind of making you less likely to be thinking about family.

1:49:32Drakeo:Yeah, straight up. Yeah, I believe that, too. I believe that he just needed time and you know what I'm saying time just kind of ran out

1:49:392Low:I would agree with that

1:49:41Drakeo:I feel like that's what I'm saying like all of us we all just need more time but unfortunately for my brother you know what I'm saying that shit just kind of clocked out on him but yeah I think we're all naturally as humans we're going to have that kind of like fuck I wish I could have done this more I wish you know back in the day I wish I you know what I'm saying would have you know what I'm saying because I remember one time he called me it was in the middle of the night it's probably like two in the morning and uh i can't remember i think i had practice or some shit i had to get up i had to be up and he like hey man i need you to come through you know i'm saying i need you to come through and you know come scoop me up he was at some kind of party and i think it was with a whole bunch of enemies or some shit like that i just need you come get me you know what i'm saying and uh i'm like bro i can't fucking come like you know i'm saying like and uh so i kind of have regressed it about that type of shit I think about stuff like that.

1:50:35Ralfy:I mean, I feel like almost nobody on their deathbed feels like they spent enough time with their parents or with their loved ones. You know, everybody that's like probably across the board. When you lose somebody, that's what you feel like is like, why did I not spend more time connecting with this person?

1:50:552Low:Yeah, for sure.

1:50:56Ralfy:Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. It's crazy because it's like I don't want to take anything away from how Ralphie feels. Like if, you know, he feels like he has a grievance, then it is what it is. He has every right to feel that way. But at the same time, especially with him, like doing the streaming thing and like being a podcaster, being on camera and shit. Like, I hope that there's something in him that is open to the idea of like, you know, really having a conversation with you or like rebuilding that. because I feel like I would love to see that, but I don't know exactly where he's at in terms of everything.

1:51:34Ralfy:But I feel like as you become an adult, you can look at your pops and say, even if I really genuinely feel like there are things that you did that make you a fucked up person in my mind, that I can still kind of put that on the shelf for the benefit of building something here, just still having that connection because you really only get one dad or one mom. It's like that's the craziest, most important bond.

1:52:03Drakeo:Ralphie just running. You know what I'm saying? He know who the best rapper in the family is. And we know the truth. Wow. You know what I'm saying?

1:52:13Ralfy:That's how you'll draw him out. Right.

1:52:15Drakeo:I'm like, come out and play because you already know. If we get on any beat, it's done. Family Cypher? You know what I'm saying? It's done. It's over. Nah, I'm talking shit. But I mean what I'm saying, though.

1:52:27Ralfy:Yo. That would be insane. Holy shit. Yeah, I mean, anything else you guys want to cover? Anything that is important to let the people know? Man. Karma.

1:52:42Drakeo:Remember that. Karma.

1:52:47Drakeo:Tapping all my social media. Stickman and president. All of that shit. Run it up. And I'm going crazy. That part. Introduce yourself.

1:52:572Low:My name is Michael Michael Blackshire underscore on Instagram. I used to work for this major news company. I don't want to say their name right now. But that's how I connected with him. I saw him at the Draco the Ruler event in 2023. He was the one dancing on stage. I was like, who's that? Next thing I know, I found out that's the dad. But no one said he was there, I think, that day. In 2023, no one interviewed him. All these big internet people, journalists was there. And I was like, that guy has a story. so from there I was like a year and a half we kept working on the story at first I wanted to be like a documentary I still got all the footage but for right now it's like let me just put the video up on YouTube and interview him because I feel like we went to that event last year last December and the mom spoke on stage and he was on the stage with him but he wasn't able to speak so I was like he needs a voice he needs his story told as well so from there I was like let me just do it one day One day, like on the Sunday, I just edit the video up like in three or four hours, put it up and went from there.

1:53:592Low:And it's here we are now.

1:54:02Ralfy:Oh, wait, I just realized, OK, you're the one. I'm the one who did the interview. I'm the journalist who did the interview. I'm out here talking, rambling. Yeah, I'm the one who did the interview. Oh, I thought you were talking about like a video they were planning on putting out in the future. I did the existing.

1:54:152Low:I did the existing interview, but we like went photos. You went to the funeral home before we went to the tattoo part. We probably could make a documentary at this point. like even yeah at this point guitar center literally i got hours of footage but i was like i just got to put this interview out because that's like the best way to get traction is you

1:54:32Ralfy:just put it out and put it on youtube it's interesting because it's like part of me feels like oh this is important for the draco fans to understand like who he is and where he came from everything like that then at the same time like when i asked ralphie for his dad's number he did not send me the number i had to get the number to a fan page so the fan page sent me his instagram you know but i don't know hopefully he doesn't feel like it's too like intrusive to have like all his uh family lore kind of put out there but you know i'm not taking anything away from how he feels about how his childhood went or anything like that but i do think that you know it's a important story to tell especially when you know you see somebody like uh fbg duck's mom she's like just literally popped out just became this fucking social media personality after he got killed I mean it is like something that you know the fans want to understand their legends like that you know.

1:55:252Low:Yeah it was more the fact that I would see these interviews with Ralphie or even Draco back in the day I would see like Trap or Ross video other people's videos and it felt like there was zero mention of like the father whatsoever because no one had any idea to the interview. I would see all these you know good war story videos talking about Draco's past and none of them would mention like a dad whatsoever. And that guy has like a crazy story. Jacob was raised without his pops. Yeah, that's usually how it'll go. That's usually how it'll go. It'll go like, oh, it was just the mom in his life. Hopped off the porch early at five with just a single mom.

1:56:032Low:It was like no mention of a dad whatsoever. So I just feel like that story needs to be told because a lot of people are not telling stories about black dads out there. And we're on that stage in December. He's there. Even at that event, like nobody even, only a few people even talked to him then. no one put two and two together. No one pulled out. This might be Draco's dad. No one put two and two together. 2023, no one put two and two together. 2024. I was like, we got to put this story up. We got to put the story up. Yeah, appreciate it. Yeah, yeah.

1:56:30Drakeo:Shout out to Ralphie.

1:56:31Ralfy:Shout out to Ralphie. That's not it. Devontae. Devontae. I'm going to talk on him. Devontae the plug.

1:56:392Low:Devontae the plug. That's catchy.

1:56:41Ralfy:The show. All right. I appreciate it, man. Yeah, then everybody, if you want to do further homework, you should definitely go check out that original interview. for sure.

1:56:472Low:and this interview and Michael Blackshire underscore on Instagram. And, yeah, you know, there's a long story. A lot of stories. Stories, you know, we haven't even mentioned today. So for sure. Yeah, definitely.

1:57:01Ralfy:Shout out Adam. Yo, look at this shirt. I just want to let the people see this shirt because everybody's going to be wondering what it said. Where did you actually get this or did you make this?

1:57:092Low:Oh yeah, I got my own little positive. I'm starting a positive campaign reconstructing for the kids, you know, youngsters. And all of the shirts going to be something positive.

1:57:18Ralfy:Got it.

1:57:18Drakeo:Shout out to OG.

1:57:21Ralfy:Definitely, for sure, one of the biggest shirts I've ever seen.

1:57:232Low:Yeah, yeah. I have to make the shirt big, y 'all, so y 'all can read it.

1:57:26Ralfy:Yeah. That's legendary. All right, y 'all, I appreciate you sharing the story with us and everything, man. It's been illuminating. And, yeah, in my head, the poetic Cinderella story version of this would be basically like you guys all reuniting and then boom, this interview solves everything. I don't know how likely that is, but who knows? Never know. You never know. Never know, man.

1:57:502Low:Never know.

1:57:50Ralfy:I don't know.

1:57:512Low:I gave my go.

1:57:52Ralfy:All right, man. Tulo, stick man. Yes, sir. Appreciate you guys. Thank you for coming through. And shout out to the whole world out there. We know the truth.

1:58:042Low:We know the truth.

1:58:06Ralfy:No jumper. Coolest podcast. Like, comment, and subscribe. You know what's interesting? The light turned off in the middle of the podcast. That almost never happens. But remember the first interview I did with him? we forgot to turn the lights on so it's like weirdly dark in the room like we didn't realize until like much later but I felt like that was a that was a sign for sure as an atheist I can say that was a god thing that was him coming down to turn the light off to be like yo just like my interview that makes sense to me

1:58:33Drakeo:oh shit alright

1:58:38Ralfy:appreciate you guys

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