Five Nine Jay on Leaving the Norteños, Exposing Mexican Gangs, Swifty Blue & More

49:40as a Northenio CD back in the day it was called um bean thought bound dude who as a 13 year old kid wants to go to prison but i would listen to that song bean thought bound all day by sir dino and i'll be like damn i want to go to prison and it's a trip right because i was in a y.a and i was watching this documentary on prison and it was about corcoran shoe and i seen all the knives i seen all the tattoos it was like back old documentary when they had the weight piles and stabbing videos and i remember me and a homie from hollister mousy from hollister are watching it we're like yeah i want to go i want to go to prison let's go put in work with the homies yeah things like that yeah that was me like i my my adulthood idea was going to prison and really putting in work and being this big notorious gangster and then when i got there i'm like bro it ain't nothing what i seen in a documentary it's disneyland and yeah i try to aspire to be somebody in prison got done dirty got done dirty multiple times and i realized when i got home i was like bro i spent like 13 to 32 in prison incarcerated and ended up with nothing ended up i didn't know how to change a tire i didn't know how to fill out a resume for a job i didn't even know how to talk to people yeah and to this day five years later sometimes having a general conversation with people i could have a hard time doing it i'm like god damn like there ain't nothing else to talk about you guys want to talk about trucks and engines and how to build a car i'm like i don't know shit about that so put me in an awkward position coming home but yeah i grew up in the system definitely so okay when you first get locked up when you're still in high school or whatever like do you just get exposed to mad new shit that you weren't on prior to that like like uh in terms of you know hustles scams different violent acts etc like like how do you develop spending those first couple years locked up uh my first well i already had dead ya time so i knew how to do prison time i knew how to just sit there and figure out keep your mind wait okay so why ya when you're in high school like how long did you actually do uh went 2001 to 2005 okay yeah that was uh i just learned how to fight okay and that's all you do is fight and then you get out and like how long are you actually on the streets as an adult they're like when do you actually get sent to prison six months i was only out six months okay i had about probably slept with like four girls four or five girls and then uh i wound up going to prison on strong arm robberies gang enhancement i got I caught a bunch of guns and working with a big homie that was in prison.

52:03And I went to county for like nine months. And then right there, I went straight to prison. And in county, I was just like a breeding ground, like preparations for prison. So I was learning how to do leadership. I was learning how to ride. I was learning how to educate. I was learning education. I was seeing people get stabbed. So it was all becoming revealing to me, like, what my life was going to be like going to prison. So I got to prison. New Corcoran, SADF. I went to the level four, 180. and man, I just seen fools getting butchered. I was like, oh shit, this is prison. My first year there, I just smoked a lot of weed.

52:34And I was just like, man, I'm stressed out, bro. I got 13 more years of this, bro, eating bowls of noodles and peanut butter and honey buns. I was like, oh my God, no women either. Oh, this sucks. Wow. But reality set in real fast because I had, I was like, hey, bro, you better man up. You're already behind these doors. Seen a Southsider kill a native. And then I went to war with the whites like in three months and I was like, okay, it's serious now. And so was the white side of things actually formidable at that time? I always hear about how the white section of a prison is typically not that impressive.

53:06No, they're different. They're too in their belief system. We went to war with the whites because the administration was saying, you know what, we're not going to sell northerners with northerners and southsiders with southsiders. We're going to sell you up with whoever. We're going to sell you up because of overpopulation. If there's an empty bunk, you're going in it. so at first we were like nah everybody's gonna resist but after a while we're like well resisting is a form of cowardice so we started telling us like all right we're gonna go by administration's rules and a northerner and a white sailed up in solid state prison and a northerner choked him out stabbed him up pretty bad so it started a statewide war and it barely got to that prison when i showed up so when the homie comes up to my door he's like hey if we were gonna go to war with the whites and i'm like all right and we're on lockdown and the door popped and And they put my neighbors out for showers and me out for showers.

53:56And I just walked out like, okay, I'm going to go to the shower. And I looked to my right and there's two big old white boys. I was like, holy shit, these dudes are huge. Really? We just started fighting and me and my Sully got beat up on a tear. Went to the hole, came back, went to war for a little bit and stopped. It was nothing to prevent. It was just us battling the administration. But we can't tell. So we're just like, hey, these are our circumstances. Just know we got respect for each other, but we got to go to war to set the example that we're not going to sell up with each other because people are going to get hurt.

54:23So we had to go to war through California to tell the administration that we're not going to accept their policy. So a lot of people got hurt in the process. And so they eventually basically got rid of that policy because they realized it was too dangerous? Yeah, they got rid of it. They stopped it. Now you can sell up with Northerners. They made sure that only Northerners and Northerners sell up South and the Whites. And that lasted for quite some time. But as you can hear now, everybody's with everybody now. Actives and SNYs, they're putting them together. They don't even care who gets killed.

54:52You guys, we're going to do it our way and you guys are going to have to adjust. Really? So it went on for like maybe 12, 15 years that they would not sell you up with anybody else other than your own kind because of that. I mean, it is kind of crazy because it's like that decision is sort of like the decision that is kind of constantly being made in the real world as well. in the sense that like, you know, is it better to have a multicultural society with all these different people in a big melting pot, which there are probably problems that arise from that. You know, if you have like a ton of different races that are all living in close corners, then like, you know, at some point they're going to have issues with each other, et cetera.

55:31Or if people want to basically isolate themselves into their own little groups, should society just allow them to do that? Because that's kind of like the experiment that's being run in prison all the time and it's like the fact that the dudes who are in prison just decide like you know diversity like we just want to be in our little collective because it's safer but then in the real world that's not typically how it works but i guess like the real world is different in a lot of very material ways people are a lot less dangerous in the real world so it's like less of a concern the best way to control people is when you keep them divided and fighting you got upper class middle class lower class and then when you get to the lower class then you got the multiculturalism where it's all the low-income poverty people that just turn to gangs and drug selling and then we fight each other and it's really the problem for the middle class and upper class that the lower class fight same thing in prison we divided ourselves because the administration had it is divided and then when the administration wanted us to mingle and interact with one another we went to war with each other because we don't know how to get along with each other that's what a lot of gang wars stem from is that we don't know how to get along with each other in prison on the basis that we were divided for years 10 15 years we wouldn't see each other we had our own yards our own program then you put us together and then you just watched us fight so we had to learn through like 10 20 years of going to war and killing people to learn like okay we can work with each other but everybody just becomes racist in jail like i wouldn't want to sell a but a southerner i think that like from a racist standpoint like bro that was a mexican that was some down south i don't want to be part of that yeah you start discriminating even your own people and especially a white would look at a mexican like i ain't selling up with these beaners and you see a black line i ain't selling up with these crackers then racism develops yeah and that's why people though there's so much tension in prison because we don't know how to get along but it's like racism from purely like survival reasons so it's like very defensible racism because it's like okay there's a new channel five video that just came out the other day and at the end of it he's showing like a preview of another episode and it's basically like an all-white uh civilization that these people are trying to set up it's like basically a bunch of white people who are sick of living around black people and other races and stuff so they've just taken this section of the woods and they've just like created all these homes and stuff and that's this is what they want to do is they want to create their own all-white civilization where they don't have to interact with other cultures at all because you know i'm assuming that some large percentage of these people just like saw some shit on the news and so now they're scared of black people or whatever but like when you when you see that from a prison perspective are you just like yeah like if that's how you want to live if you think that that's safer go right ahead man in prison man people are predators and the cool thing about is like everybody in prison develops some form of racism and segregation ideally that's what everybody wants is to be with their own people but mexicans slaughter mexicans all day whites kill whites all day blacks attack blacks all day it's never gonna work we i guess the concept is you know men are built for war we're never gonna get along but we're never gonna accept each other neither so the concept is just it's just blown out of proportion in jail i just feel like everybody no matter what the circumstances in jail don't make you become that and that's the hard thing to break when you get out because you're so used to being isolated with your own people but then you don't trust your own people and as a mexican you hate whites for this reason and you Once you learn that for years and it's embedded in you, it's a hard cycle to break.

59:02It's a hard characteristic to get rid of to come out and be like, well, I don't want to be a sellable to black because I've never been sellable to black for 10 years. So why do I want to be a neighbor with a black? It's really hard, but you learn to break. And once you realize like, hey, bro, this is freedom, bro. This is society, man. They love you. Love that neighbor. Nobody's even looking at you like that. Prison, whole different mentality. Because, okay, the two polar opposites that come to mind is like Japan. In Japan, they got probably the lowest crime rate you could ever imagine. It's the cleanest, quietest, safest country that I've probably ever been to.

59:33And then on the other side of things, you have prison, where it's like the amount of societal trust that they have in Japan is just amazing. Every store you go into, there's no cameras. Nobody's stealing anything. It's completely impossible to even imagine somebody stealing. Never mind. People fighting on the street would be the most mind-blowing thing to those people. but they just could never imagine it. Then on the other hand, you have prison where it's like, this is literally the most violent, you know, conniving people imaginable. And it's like, Japan on the other hand is like, there's so much trust.

1:00:10Prison is zero trust. Everybody's out for themselves. It's just kind of like, you can't like figure out how you can arrange a society until you know about the characteristics of the people that are going to be inside that society. because if you were to take all of these if you were to dump out a level four maximum security prison into japan japan would like cease to be japan pretty quickly it's like just having like a couple hundred of these guys running rampant in the streets it's like everybody would stop being so trusting because all of a sudden there's people running the streets that are like trying to take your shit all the time they're beating somebody up here and there and so i think everything would just change so rapidly it's kind of crazy mentality you're going to develop in prison man it's a hard thing to break when you get home the way you conduct yourself the way you act the way you like i've been out like five years i hate sarcasm sarcasm pisses me off and if you talk to me like that i start feeling like my old way like who you talking to like that like i have to learn like bro you got work player that's a supervisor he's just joking around but like that's why i think going to prison is bad for people because you develop these bad habits a lot of dudes come out beat they women cheat on they women and like they're not growing in jail we're just institutionalized and constantly learning how to become better criminals or we just have this criminality aspect that we can't get rid of because we're so used to it.

1:01:29That's why I like, at first I used to be like, okay, I'm glad for the leniency laws. But now I'm like, nah, bro, go do your time like I did. I did the whole goddamn thing. You did wrong, go learn it and change for the better. Because if you come out, there's laws set in place that are going to send your ass right back. Stay in jail, bro, if you don't want to come out and change, bro. That's what they build them for. Because I've seen so many people and I've done so many stories on my YouTube channel where they came out of jail and murdered a cop. Or they came out of jail and raped some girl and then killed his girlfriend.

1:01:55It's like going to jail is not helpful at all. And that's why they build them. Keep them there. I know. That's the crazy thing is that like somebody like you, when you were, you know, in high school and you first get thrown in these situations, it's like everybody knows that when you're thrown into these boxes with like all these different people that like your odds of becoming a much better, more serious criminal are just like massively inflated. And nobody can think of a better way for us to handle this. like i honestly have no idea what it would be like if you're if a 15 year old kid sticks a gun in somebody's face and tries to rob them what do you do with them that doesn't also make them a worse criminal by locking them up and you got to lock them up right you got to do something like what the else are you going to do when they've committed like a very serious crime so many prison activists look at it like oh we can save these people man i've been in prison there's lifers in there like i swear i hope that fool don't come home that was gonna murder somebody because all he talks about is murder he got murderers in there bragging i've had so many cellies that killed their enemies and just brag about it i had one celly who would just hang the picture up of the dead body of the south side of the kid i'm like wait really yeah like it was like it was a south side around like on a slab and i was like hey i remember telling i was like well i hate waking up to that damn picture because it shows his balls bro like i don't want to wake up every morning and see that fool's balls and you know his wiener on the wall and he was like man and he was like proud that he murdered that dude and there's like a lot of people in jail that they the moment a fight starts and somebody's getting stabbed they get excited yeah i'm like bro you don't want these kind of people in society but that's what i'm saying like stricter laws longer sentences no kid wants to point a gun at somebody on some stupidity decisions and then they can face the court and be like bro no you get found guilty this 50 years because the harsher sins i think will turn a lot more people's lives around because i'm like bro i don't want to go to jail 50 years now i point a gun at this fool and i just take his wallet that's seven years bro i'll be out when i'm like 31 i'll be cool i'll kick it with the homies bust some spreads have some girls right me they don't take it serious no more because the court systems and the legal systems in california don't take it serious lock these dudes up long long terms i've seen lifers in there like miserable like all they want to do is smell freedom again yeah they remind them of that but i feel like there's a huge difference between a guy who will do something up at 18 because when you're 18 17 16 etc you just like don't have an ability to to care about the future to comprehend that there is a future to comprehend comprehend how little this beef that you're in right now or whatever matters and so as a result you have a ton of people that get locked up while they're in their teenage years and they're doing 20 years and then at some point when they're like you know, 30, it's like, they're a completely different person.

1:04:39The version of themselves that killed somebody or whatever at 18 is just a complete distant memory. And, you know, that just seems like really up. And that's where I think a lot of the prison activism stuff comes from is just like this understanding, like, Oh, this people have changed so much, but there's a huge difference between that. And like these real top ranking permanent lifelong criminals who just literally are in love with and obsessed with violence like i think to a lot of prison activists that is just they refuse to accept that they refuse to accept that there are people who are so fundamentally up that bring allowing them back into society just puts everybody at too much risk and it's just totally untenable nah like i said everybody has personal experiences but like i said i was incarcerated for a very long time i seen the mentality i was 18 years old but i knew robbing these liquor stores and robbing the furniture spots i I knew what the consequences were.

1:05:34I knew every time I shot at this fool, he was going to shoot back. I knew every time that I shot, this fool might die. I knew the consequences. So you can't sit there and say, hey, man, a lot of these kids just don't know better. They're too young. That's just from a parental standpoint where they don't want to see the wrong in their kids. They want to see the innocence. Well, guess what? A lot of these kids ain't innocent. They knew the life they chose. They knew what they were going down. Now would be a good time to educate them before they make the decision. But once they make the decision, it's like, hey, bro, now it's time to grow up since you wanted to act grown.

1:06:02but going to prison I've seen like I've rarely ever heard anybody regret what they did really I rarely I've never heard not one Sally be like man I wish I never killed that dude there was like maybe one where he just socked somebody at the bar and he killed him because his head hit the concrete and he was like damn bro I got drunk that night I shouldn't even have been there I should have been at home with my kids they'll say stuff like that but most of the people that are in there for murders especially like all the south side I mean they're glad they killed their enemy so like they knew what they were doing but you don't think that they've privately go through it or at least have gone through it in terms of the guilt that I feel like the average person just assumes that you can't kill someone without being wracked with guilt and like really having to deal with it but like in prison it's not the place to admit to that right you can't really show weakness everybody I think everybody privately does I did I was probably spending nights right there just laying on my bed like man I ain't never gonna make love again I'm never gonna see my mom again i'm never gonna eat some homemade tortillas and frijoles i'm like and i'd get emotional about it but like you can't show that in prison that's that's weakness you got to get ready to gangbang so like you have to just put that to the side but i think everybody does but most of the complexes that i've seen they were like i'm came to prison so what kill some food now i'm gonna kill some other food and i'm gonna work for the homies i'm gonna work for the big homies and i'll make money everybody's just making the best of it that's why when i came home i like i realized like i didn't the first two years out i was gangbanging against northerners i didn't change nobody's trying to change in prison from what my personal experiences nobody was really trying to change i'm just saying for the people that i was around we all just wanted to gangbang and f off and just you know make money and sell dope and slam heroin in our veins but when i came home it took two years of me finally saying like hey do you want to go back to that if not because the way you're the route you're going bro gangbanging with these northerners and solarium vysalia bro you're gonna go right back to that once my son was born my my switch went off i was like bro i got a little kid to take care of and made all the best decisions of my life to make sure that i got out of california left the state moved where i moved and now i got a hustle and a job and bro i'm living life yeah because i mean i feel like having kids is supposed to change you and it's kind of scary when you see people have kids where it blatantly doesn't change them just in the sense of like you know even like like once i had a kid it was like i had already like stopped doing drugs and shit stopped drinking stopped like really going out all the time and stuff but it definitely made all that shit seem like way less appealing and you know it's it's kind of crazy when i see somebody like catch like really serious charges for doing something super ignorant right after they have a kid like to me a kid was all i needed to be like holy shit like I don't really care if my life never gets to the next level I don't really care about being like world famous or super rich or whatever like if I can just like take care of my kid then I'll be good like that's like really like the baseline thing that I want to accomplish in life and everything else like on top of that is great anything below that like where I'm like not able to be around my kid or not able to take care of her is like worst case possible situation so So as soon as I reproduced, it just became like, oh, okay, I have one goal that I need to accomplish.

1:09:15But then you see other people and you realize it didn't have that weight to them. And that's kind of. It did for me. Now every time I get a YouTube check, I put it away. I got my job that pays. Like my son gets whatever he wants. My son has been to so many places in the world. Everything is for my son. I'm thinking about the house. I'm thinking about generational wealth for him. Gangbanging to me is the least of my concern. But sometimes, like, doing my content, I get lost in this world where I was like, man, like, I remember I was doing that kind of stuff. And then I'm constantly thinking about it where I forget, like, hey, bro, you're watching your son right now.

1:09:49You have your son for the weekend. Get that out of your head. So changing it, I mean, changing for my son was probably one of the best experiences because he was only four months old when I was still gangbanging. And a situation occurred when I was like, bro, it's, dude, that could have been your son. Or they could have caught you sleeping with your son. And there was a time where I actually tried to beef with a northerner while he was walking his daughter to school. And I caught him slipping on the north side of ice. And I was like, I should just put him work on his food now since he's been running his mouth.

1:10:15Then I was like, bro, he has his daughter. Then once everything started hitting and my son was born, I'm like, bro, somebody's not going to care that I have my son with me and catch me slipping. Does he need to pay for my stupidity and my actions? So it took a while. It took a while to change because there was always been a part of me where I was like, man, I got done dirty by my people. I could have been somebody. but when you think about it now it's like who you would have been just some prison gang leader like you were expiring to be what do they get they get noodles every day you got you got twenty five hundred dollar checks you get seven eight grand on youtube what's more important to you so now it's like my son is my king like he i make sure if i'm gonna make a dumb decision or i start thinking a certain way i just look at my son like nah i'm good i got peace bro i got tranquility i got a home i got a house and everything yeah that's one of the most things over the last few years is just knowing multiple people that got shot up like while they were their kid like in front of their kid you know there was a dude from chicago thftp who like you know walking his kid home from school the kid it's like valentine's day which i'll never be able to forget because she's holding like this pink uh piece of cardboard or whatever like a school project and the fool runs up to him and just lays him down right there like his kid runs away and just like seeing that video saying a little Ronnie in Texas, a go Yale's boy who was just at the car wash and they just pulled up shooting and his kid was in the car seat and she died too.

1:11:36Like bro. I mean that, that's like the hardest thing for I think like normal non gang members to wrap their head around. But at the same time, it's like in the gang world, being capable of real over the top cruelty is a huge part of it. You know, As much as it's like nobody's going to sit there and say, oh yeah, he gets respect because he killed a little girl, being willing to go kill your enemy even when they are with their kid is in some way a sign of respect for a lot of these guys to just be that heartless. It's hard to accept that that's the way that they go through life. Yeah, even crazy now is that my circumstances are far worse than before.

1:12:18Back then, I wasn't known on YouTube. I was just beefing with northerners from Solarian Visalia. and I just had to worry about Noltherners catching me slipping in my own hood. Once I moved out and became this big YouTuber, now it's like, bro, you can't go nowhere in California because everybody knows you guys renegade media and every gang that I've ever talked about wants you dead. So my circumstances got even worse and sometimes I ask myself, is it really worth it? But at the end of the day, the damage has been done. If I was to leave YouTube tomorrow, I'm still a face they're going to remember.

1:12:46That's why I continue to do what I do. I have hard times, hard months, but now my circumstances are even worse. Now I really watch what I do and how where I place myself in predicaments the podcasts that I go on what neighborhoods I'm staying in what hotels I'm like bro my son ain't gonna pay because a lot of these dudes don't like what I have to say but what I've been having to say and I've been passionate about is like look I'm just trying to stop one or two kids from gangbanging that's one or two lives that have been saved that's maybe multiple bodies they would have caught got saved it has a trickling effect as a domino effect where there's a lot of people I've talked to a lot of moms and dads of like man i show my kids your videos to show them not to be part of this stuff and they love it they watch your stuff so i know i'm making a difference and that difference i feel like is important to me even though now the target on my back is like humongous but do you worry that your channel could have the opposite effect on a kid in the sense of like making gangbang and look cool and romantic and sexy or whatever because i i know like growing up i saw american history x when I was probably like 13.

1:13:48Love that movie. Yeah. And I wasn't personally like motivated to become a white supremacist or anything, but I definitely knew dudes who, even at that young age, were like really intrigued by this and like thought that it was cool as f***ing. I don't think any of them actually became like real deal, like white supremacists or anything. But, you know, when you're in high school, you kind of like go between belief systems here and there or whatever. Like I saw a lot of kids who were like really intrigued by it. And it's like, if you actually watch it and it's like got a pretty clear cut message like don't enter into a life of gangs and crime and hatred but a lot of people are able to kind of ignore the end part of the movie also it's often debated now that the end part of the movie doesn't even really make that much sense and almost kind of seems like a american history x is almost like justifying racist violence nah the ending has a point like once you get yourself way too involved dude you can't pull away from me yeah i don't know i mean like i don't even want to get into it but i've like read stuff about it before that's like okay so why like he finds peace and like realizes racism's bad and then his brother gets killed by a black guy right after that and like how does that not almost like disprove this new belief that he had taken on like i don't know i forget the exact breakdown it comes back around karma comes back around yeah you can't you can't escape it just like in my situation doing am i romanticizing it i do understand you have to battle with that like if i was to talk about like other stuff nobody's really going to care so what i did if you really listen to my videos i talk a lot of crap i put gangs down i make fun of gangs i did it in a different aspect as opposed to say hey bro this 18th street dude caught this dude and it killed them on this block i just don't storyline it then i start criticizing it i'm like this is like A lot of the prison content, when I'm talking about the big homies, I'm putting these dudes down.

1:15:42I'm making fun of them. I'm calling them this. I'm calling them that. And I think that's what became more appealing because they're like, man, this fool ain't afraid to talk about this gang, and he ain't afraid to talk smack about this gang. So every time I talk about a gang member, I'm like, look at this dumbass fool that did this right here and got 25 years for robbing a dude for a wallet and a Ford expedition. Then I tell a story what he did, and at the end, I create this constructive criticism. Yes, it might have an adverse effect. I think it does. and I think that's why this genre is so played out.

1:16:10I'm doing it, but I just kind of like I manipulated the circumstances where I was like, I'm not going to be talking like it's cool. I'm going to talk bad on it for the kids that really catch what I'm putting down. But the rest, you know, I can't help but them like, okay, you talking about my hood? Hell yeah, the homie killed that fool. I'm glad, man. That's what's up. We got respect. We're on Renegade Media's channel. I can't stop what's already going to happen. I'm just reaching out to the kids that could possibly change their minds because what people don't know, there's a bunch of there's a bunch of preachers that i talked to who've got it approved because i can't go into the juvenile system because of my record but there's preachers that represent church and out and outreach programs to teach kids about gangs and stern away from gangs they're approved to play my videos in juvenile hall systems i can't go but they have and that's what some of the audience members don't see is like there's you know police seminars i heard and i believe it was in oregon and the other one was in i think it was in utah to have utilized some of my videos when I talked about that area to stop kids from gangbanging so I've done some good I might be doing a lot more bad by continuously talking about it but I'm just paying attention to the good I mean I'm just trying to stop kids from gangbanging if kids are gonna gangbang and end up like me in jail then that's your fault I mean there's already something in the mind of an 18 year old kid which is like yo you're 20 years older than me I don't give a what you have to say you know like that's just like built into the mind of an 18 year old hothead but then at the same time it's like a dude who's just talking a bunch of positivity who ain't really been through shit they are really not listening to that fool like i feel like at least with you if they really come to understand oh this is a guy who kind of did all the same things that i've been doing the last three years of my life and he feels this way about it that's a lot more likely to have an effect You know, like I wouldn't want to go talk to a 18 year old kid like in that situation.

1:18:05Like I could tell him how good shit could be on the other side. But I can't really tell him about like, you know, from my experience, don't go to prison. I ain't been there. So I don't really, you know, why would you listen to me? There was this one kid, he was from West Side of the Blue Go. I had to do a video about his hood. And I remember him reaching out to me. He was like, yeah, man, I've been watching your videos. You make a lot of sense, bro. I don't want to be a part of this. There's been countless occasions where it's not even a 16 year old kid that's told me that. It's been like grown adults, like in their 30s, like, you know what, bro?

1:18:32You're right, bro. Like, what am I still doing? And they'll tell me, like, yeah, I'm from the hood. I'm still active. I'm still good with my homies. But I'm walking away from that. I'm going to stay. How did you do it? And I'm like, I don't know what your circumstances are. Bounce. I bounce. And I ended up in an environment where there's just a number of white people on ranches. And it seems boring, but it seems peaceful to me. So I've heard adults come at me and say the same thing. So it's like I can't focus too much on the negative aspect of what I'm not doing and what I'm encouraging. I just got to focus on the positivity of what my goal is, what my passion is, and hopefully it's making a difference.

1:19:05I don't see it all the time, but a lot of people and a lot of parents be like, man, I show my kids this so they can stay away from me or how brutal it is. But lately it's became more about, you know, people are just utilizing my channel to tell their stories about their kids that got killed so another kid doesn't get killed. And I've been working on that. Like, yes, I'll tell your story. I'll take the time. I'll make the effort. I'll jot it down. if it's trying to commemorate your child and what happened to your child through this gang violence so be it and that's pretty much where i'm at with my channel right now at this point yeah i mean if we go back in terms of like 2020 i feel like we kind of saw like the uh the apex of like gang street culture in both music and youtube i kind of feel like like it was just everybody was so fascinated about this gangster shit in jacksonville and chicago and all all these like you know la gang war videos were going super viral and you know that that's like the era of crit mac becoming huge etc and then you fast forward to right now and it's like mad different rappers have basically been accused of telling or cooperating and shit and like kind of the fans just seem like pretty comfortable overlooking it if they like their music and a lot of that gang shit online is not really doing as well as it used to it kind of feels like in large part the fans have sort of like broken out of this belief that they used to have which is that the streets were real and i think that to a lot of them they just kind of see that it's bullshit they see everybody telling they see they you know it's just more transparent there's these videos about dudes who are leaving this shit people like you who are just communicating about how the streets and all this gang shit is actually bullshit it's not a good use of your time i feel like so many people talking about that has sort of rubbed off on the world in general to the point where I don't think that the next great hip-hop moment is going to be driven necessarily by street culture I feel like the culture in general is kind of ready to move past that in many ways like obviously being tough being hard is always going to appeal to a big segment of the population and everything but it just kind of feels like there was like a spell that the world was under for a long time and it just went away it's just not working the way it used to everybody's a gangbanger and a rapper now yeah everybody is i mean prime example i remember when i first got out i mean you had to be a gang member to get on a bunch of podcasts or get recognized you had to be gaming on the streets and dissing the enemy to go viral i was like god damn that's what it takes you know you can't just get rich on your own so now these kids want to just gangbang where it's like bro everybody's a gang member everybody's a gangster rapper everybody's talking about murdering everybody's in the music videos doing this now it's like bro like nobody pays attention so they just now they get very few views and very few likes remember when swifty blue could just be in his car and just smoking a blunt and his videos would get 200 300 400 500 000 views now it's like he doesn't get that i'm like at some point being a gang member was the what you needed to do to get somewhere in life now everybody is kind of like i won't even watch gang related videos i'm watching true crime i'm watching stuff about serial care ed gein and all that stuff i'm like gangbanging ain't as fascinating and appealing no more as it is yeah and that's what i've been trying to tell the kids too is like look i'm not even a gang member no more i'm just a regular content creator who's very popular and has been famous has been going viral on instagram you could do it without the gangs just be you be authentic be something different yeah because gangbanging i got out in 2020 yeah so all i seen on social media was thugs and killers and everybody from malay just banged out i'm like damn gangbanging and i wasn't even talking i wasn't the first one to talk about prison and gang stuff it was already on the internet i just joined i don't know how i became the most hated to do it but now i'm seeing it like nobody's paying attention no more well who can you point to that was really talking about mexican gang life from a really honest perspective before you.

1:23:01I feel like that was kind of like one of your big innovations was just being willing to talk about that side of things, which a lot of people are very scared to comment on. When I got out, you know, you had quite a few channels. You had Convict's Perspective, Homie Hangout. You had Gunner. You had Dubs. You had, I don't know, 23-1 was totally different, even though he's good. But they were talking about California games before I showed up. I think what made me different is because I was actually a Northern rider which nobody has heard of at the time and i just started talking about northern rider politics i was using the internet more like for recruitment because i was going against my own gang leader at the time and then i just started telling everybody's like hey if we'll tell us some prison stories i was like okay but all that information nf mexican mafia all that that was on the internet before i got out i just i think i just took it a little step too far by digging all more information and utilizing sources and utilizing YouTube money to help to get more inside information that made the stories more intriguing.

1:23:59That's how I became popular. Yeah, I know I always step my boundaries, but like I said, nobody did it the way I did it. Some people just kind of like beat around the bush. No, I gave you names. I gave you what happened. I've talked about so many prison stabbings where people were like, bro, I was there for that. I was in prison for that. It blew me up. Like I said, it just made my situation a hell of a lot worse. But even then, even knowing now that's who I am on YouTube, like it's getting played out. It's getting watered down. Like nobody cares anymore. Like you can't hear a different version of some fool getting stabbed and why he got stabbed.

1:24:30Drugs, his big homie's weird. His big homie's an asshole. There's nothing to it to tell these stories. There's nothing more intriguing and fascinating to him. That's why even me, I'm like, I'm battling my own content. I'm like, bro, do I really want to talk about this big homie? Like we already know what he's about, what he did to this kid, how he had these two Southerners or these two Northerners stab his fool. it's all the same crap. Yeah. So I'm even battling myself. I'm in competition with myself to see if I can get better because it's already played out. Definitely. All right. I definitely want to talk about how you ended up exiting that world or getting more into the YouTube and stuff.

1:25:02But I want to talk a little bit more about like your actual time in prison and what kind of happened to you throughout that. So how many years in total leading up to 2020 did you actually do? That was the 13 year bid. Did you end up doing actually 13? No, I did the 15. When I got to the prison, they were giving me like oh you had 13 years you can go home two years early and then like once i got into the riot with the the whites and i got into a riot with the blacks in susanville i maxed out and then after that i got into a riot with southerners and i couldn't catch no more time so i did 15 years straight uh 2012 is when i got stabbed by my own homies and i got deemed no good and that's when i went to the sny yard became a northern rider went to war with the northerners Okay, so you did seven years as a Northerner and then eight years where you were in the SNY yard where everything was kind of different?

1:25:53Kind of different. It was more gangs, more violence, more no permission. Pure anarchy. At least on the main line, but I can't stab you unless somebody says I can. On SNY, they're like, I'm going to stab Adam tomorrow as soon as he goes to chow. Just because I don't like him? Just because you don't have to have a reason. There's just less order. just less order and that's what made it more dangerous is to see because all of us were in there for something done dirty telling politic the games got removed you got green light i've seen so many southsiders over there yeah my hood got green lighted so they whacked me on the yard and you got all these personalities where they all still want to be that person again so all they did was reinvent themselves and recreate themselves and just became 10 times harder like they don't have to answer to nobody they don't have gang leadership i'm just gonna stab you and i'm gonna create my own gang so it was it was harder to to operate and maneuver on the sny than the active side so you i think like a lot of us believe that there's you know there's regular prison and then there's pc and anybody who goes to pc it's like you should just be ashamed and that you're basically like going into a world where there's gonna be all these child molesters and rapists and weird snitches and stuff and it's just like it's gonna be peaceful but you're around a lot of you know creepy people but you're saying that it actually does not work that like that at all that like you get put into this environment and it just becomes another game of thrones situation for who's going to be the baddest and the toughest and be able to control the situation the best yeah the term pc was like the 90s right right and it was just dude you you rarely see anybody pc and if their PC was a sex offender or Tomo, then that's why they turned it to SNY because they're like, well, we need to place these gang members that are getting killed or getting stabbed or debriefing or dropping out.

1:27:44We need to put them in a place. And then the gang started getting rid of the sex offenders, putting them on the lower yard. So level three is level four is SNYs. It's just all ex-gang members that got done dirty or did somebody dirty on the mainland or told and wanted to walk away. It just became violent. Like you won't see sex offenders on a level three is level four. and if they do the cops will let us let us know like hey he's a he's a piece of shit and then he gets blasted but they can make a maneuver on the level one too is because those inmates are all going home they don't want to jeopardize it for this dude that's a weirdo but level three is level four is we didn't run into no sex offenders like that they don't exist they get stabbed they get killed on a yard and i've done countless videos about that but going to sny it's like everybody has this gang mentality in this complex we're like bro we got done dirty by our people we ain't gonna forget who we are right and then recreated these gangs that got even bigger that got more violent so to me like bro you got a better chance of actually surviving sm i mean uh active side than the smy because in the smy bro he don't need a reason to kill you if he just feels like killing he's killing you at least on the active side they're gonna investigate they're gonna see they might make you go on a mission they might make you pay taxes they might make you do all kinds of crap but you still have your life and your respect you don't nobody's gonna give you respect on smy they don't like you or they don't want you around they want to punk you they want your canteen they want your shoes they're just gonna do it so to me it was like bro i was on edge for like eight years on smy plus i joined the gang and so i was just beating i caught more violent cases on the smy yard than i did the main line and i got into riots with blacks southerners and whites over there was just beating people up constant da referrals it was just horrible wow that's crazy yeah i i uh so okay i i saw something the other day where and this is something that I find kind of annoying is like in the media, non-prison people will talk about prison and they will frequently make light of the idea that you're going to get raped in prison as a man.

1:29:44Like this is very funny to, you know, normal square people or whatever. And, you know, especially they love to say like, oh, if, if you have charges that relate to, you know, any kind of violence towards women or a kid or whatever that, oh, you're not going to like what they do to you in prison. I bring this up just to say, I find this very tacky for people who don't know anything about what prison is like to be like over overjoyed making jokes about a guy getting raped in prison solely because of the hypocrisy of the fact that nobody would ever make this joke about a woman, right? Like that's totally inappropriate.

1:30:19And for some reason, people just like to kind of toy with that idea of like male on male sexual violence. But then also it feels like that is pretty unlikely to occur right because if you're somebody who's like a child molester and you get locked up they're not going to put you in a level four yard where these guys are just obviously going to victimize you right yeah they won't do that but that's funny dude i remember when the first girl the first girl i looked up with on the street she kept like betting it over and i just i was like maybe she just likes doggy style and then we had a talk and she's like no i thought you were gonna put it up my you know what because you know you do that in there right i was oh my god i'm like i'm like excuse me i thought you'd be into some zesty shit i'm like excuse me i'm like no she she literally had this we had this conversation in her bed and she was like no everything i watch about jail you know guys you know do that to other guys and you guys are like messing around with each other because you guys got long times i was like no even the guys who are the guys i assume that that's not going to necessarily trickle over to how they want to treat a woman right i mean i don't know i don't know i've seen some dudes fall in love with dudes in jail.

1:31:22I was like, that's gay. You know about Fleese Johnson? Yeah. But he's different. He blew my mind. I don't think that was California prison because it doesn't happen like that. Nah. Nah, there was transgenders that eventually showed up on the SNYs, but before them, you didn't hear about no gang rapes like that. It happens, but rarely, rarely ever happens. And once the transgenders came to the SNYRs, then it started to happen. And then the SNY gangs made it a policy. Like, if you're raping another especially a transgender dude like you're considered a rapist you're gonna look you like any other way that like all these child malicious we're gonna blast you too to prevent that not to protect the transgender so to speak but it was like bro you're not gonna be raping people and be a rapist around us like if an inmate jacked off to a female officer like we were blasting them on the spot really then i've jumped people before doing that it happens bro but it ain't like what you hear on the media like it's just people that have no clue how prison really works Wait, but so the trans thing, so you would have biological males that, I don't know, like had fake tits installed or were they just like on hormones so they had like weird voice and like facial figures?

1:32:33Yeah. Both. That's got to be bizarre having that walking around while you're on there. Dude, it was funny. The first experience that I seen, I was talking to a homeboy from Sacramento and we were just chopping it up by some dope. And then I'm like cautiously looking behind me because it's S and Y, you know, I was going to war with two firers. I was kind of shaking, shaking grounds with the Zapatistas. And I'm like, I'm just looking back and I just see some dude just walk past me. And he looked like damn near Paris Hilton. So I doubled back like, what the hell? What was that? And I was like, that's one of them.

1:33:04I was like, oh, my God. And little shorts, everything. And I'm like, oh, my God. But it was in Sad F when I first seen a busload come. And they had won a lawsuit where they were like, you can't discriminate us. We want to be in the regular population. with all they wanted was boyfriends and then they show up and they go to building they go to building four and then a riot kicks off and i'm like so i'm thinking i guess us versus some two fibers and all that i'm like all right let's get ready come back they're like nah bro all the transgenders walked to the top tier and just started brawling with each other because they wanted to be separated still so they separated in all these other different buildings and the next thing you know i just see a bunch of these dudes hugged up with dudes and i was like hey all these fools couldn't way to turn out to be gay and that's what happened and so now they're in a lot of the other different yards except on the level 4 180s they're not welcomed on the smys now level 4 270 they're allowed but level 4 180s is strictly controlled by the smy gang so they don't let them walk the yard no more wow so but that's a messed up thing to have to be in the predicament of like hey bro we're gonna green light these transgenders we don't want them on his yard polluting all this stuff and i'm like you want me to go beat up a transgender what if he whoops me bro like that's i gotta live with that bro i gotta live with this is a biological male end of the day like that's a big risk and if someone won't be like six foot three i'm like yeah whooping that food like i ain't jumping that food but i've i've actually seen uh i've told the story about on youtube i've seen transgenders and their boyfriends go to war with sny gangs and then they would come run to us and be like hey we need your help they're deep they're we got to fight the blacks with the transgenders i'm like bro i am not joining your war to beat up on no transgender at all that's your problem i didn't see myself because i didn't want to live with that bro like because at the end of the day they're still grown men these were ex-gang members that just i don't know got turned out whatever they did like you know i'm not gonna embarrass myself going to war with no transgender but it they're there and it's it's a weird thing to be because like i said i was in prison before all this you know lgbtq stuff hit and society accepting gays for what they are and so when like i heard about this stuff and when they showed up on a yard i was like like you still look like a dude player like that's i don't see how you think you're a woman and it just got out of control in prison real bad like everybody wanted to be one after that really yeah a lot a lot of people you thought i was on the yard with i thought were like cool ex-gang members just living it live got wives either turning gay or be trying to become one of them like all y 'all go dudes were gay from okay y 'all just didn't know it yet or y 'all just been revealing it i've caught regular dudes having sex with their sellies bro and we have to get them off the yard like bro we don't want no gays no nothing look they even started their own gang on the smy yeah all gays yeah it got out of control so i'm like i'm glad i got out of that environment but i was also glad that i stood into the 180 yards i never went to the 270s i have to really deal with all that the thing i'll never probably stop being fascinated by is just the idea that you could not have sex with a woman for years and years and that then eventually that would just turn you gay.

1:36:11Because that seems like it's kind of what happens because like it's such a higher rate of homosexuality in prison for these guys who've been locked up for all those years than it is on the streets. So it's like it definitely seems like it works that way. The same way like people told me that meth will like kind of turn you gay. Like it'll just make you do shit that you would never normally do. Queer juice in jail? queer juice i swear i've seen some wild stuff in jail and then fools get caught and i'm like oh those fools were gay in the cell you know tweaked out but no let's just defeat that idea whatsoever i did 15 years in prison i had my pv's i had my alone time myself and i came home and my perspective is just one way i love women i think women are beautiful i don't like the idea of transgenders replacing women thinking that they can do what a woman can do or be better than the version of a real woman all that subject is really deep but it bothers me yeah but nah bro like it's a lot of us yeah we stay solid no i'm like very confident that you lock me up for 10 15 years and that i could be the most sexually frustrated version of myself imaginable and that i would not turn to the the devil's penis nah bro they got phones for that bro yeah phones i mean i had hustles where I would get like Buttman magazines and just, you know.

1:37:24Buttman. Wasn't that the name in The Simpsons? That was like Buttman? Wasn't that like Playboy? No, it was Play Dude. I would get like all these like, you know, provocative magazines and I would cut them out and laminate them with tape and I would sell them for like 20 bucks, make some money. Right. Like there's ways to continuously think, even just the regular Smooth Magazine, Smooth Girl Magazine, there's ways to continuously remind yourself like you straight as a woman, but some fools just, they just let it go. And I was like, that ain't going to be me. and I came home, made sure that didn't happen.

1:37:54Strictly women only. Even after I came out here and everybody's just under... I see so much women make fun of men on that aspect. I'm like, bro, what did you guys do to yourselves? Women don't even respect us as men no more. They want this. They think every dude, every homeboy might be undercover with his boys. I'm like, God damn. That's the weird thing too, is that girls love to put that on dudes when they break up or whatever. Even just the other day, Blueface broke up with that girl, Hazel. Yeah, Hazel. Immediately, I think she called him gay or something it's like you only hung out with him a couple of times i'm not really going for this like nobody's ever called him gay before he hung out with you for a week and now you're gonna call him gay like i ain't really going for it but that like that's just like an unbelievably common thing i never really yeah i never had that i never had a girl like call me gay after we broke up but that's gotta be a weird feeling to have that accusation going out no i treat women with respect um i don't really don't date no more like i used to like when i first got out i was a dog that i slept with anything moving as a woman now got a little bit more famous a little bit more popular i learned to be more reserved hold my stuff to a higher prestige different levels kind of hard to date though when you're like the most hated person in the world you're just like women research you know they do their research and they're like hey bro i have anything to worry about like you have a lot to worry about i am who i am and people don't like me i really don't go out much but like i'm more traditional i'm back in the i'm from the old school days where like i said 2005 before i went prison i didn't know anything about gay people so like it was always man and woman traditionally yo like having self-control when it comes to girls is like the craziest thing in the world it's like the hardest thing to pull off like i have a friend and we met this girl the other day i've been known for a long time but he met her and we were talking about her like a week later or whatever and he was like yeah she hit me up but he's like man she she's too messy like i don't really want to like get involved with all that like she's she's the type like i don't know she'll air me out or so whatever like she she's gonna like be too public about it and i'm just thinking in my head like what you just said is demonstrating a level of maturity that i really wish i had my whole life because the idea of like oh she's too messy or like she she's like into the drama or whatever like i'm not gonna here i'm like damn that would have saved me so many problems in my life but um when it comes to like girls man that's like the hardest thing you could ever say no to trust me it's hard it's really hard but it's like i don't know who to trust no more like there's two times in and i say that i like two women try to set me up to get smoked and one of them was promised me i'm like i hadn't talked to this girl for like a whole year and she she's all northean out the game and i don't know where she's like hey my friend she's over tonight and she had a year later she mentioned my friends over tonight um come right now we'll give you a threesome i'm like all right, I'm looking at the friend, I'm looking at them in the bed.

1:40:39I'm like, I ain't talked to this girl in a year, and I know she kicks it with northerners. Like, wow, all of a sudden she want me to go. And she kept saying, she was adamant about it. Like, man, show up. When are you going to pull up? That's weird, yeah. And I wouldn't message her back. I would just read it and just close it. Like, I'm not going at all. Being demanding. Yeah, that's got to set off some alarm bells. This is the only time you're going to be able to hit both of us. I'm like, no, this is weird. But one girl called me from Porterville, and she was like, look, man, They know that we're friends on Facebook.

1:41:06They asked me to call you and see if we can link up. I'm just letting you know to be careful because they're going to try to set you up. They wanted to set you up. So that's when I started realizing, like, bro, I can't trust women. And believe it or not, a lot more women from L.A. reach out to me more than anybody. Like, hey, whenever you're back in L.A., you know, hit me up, stay the weekend. I'm like, no, not at all. The resistance is hard because some of these women, especially in L.A., are beautiful. And I'm like, bro, I ain't dying for no cooter. But, okay, what's the safest way to do it if you did want to do it?

1:41:33Like if you get a hotel room and she's got to, you know, go through the security apparatus downstairs or whatever, does that not kind of assure you? Or because they can still be waiting outside. They can still post up and just lay on you all day, right? No, I just ain't. It ain't worth the risk to me. As much as I love women and much as I'm straight as hell and much as I missed out on so much of hooking up with women, I'm like, it ain't worth the risk. And I'm not going to put my son's life in jeopardy and my son grow up without a father because I just wanted to think on my other head. Yeah. But the resistance, it plays a hard role.

1:42:05But then at the end of the day, I just tell myself, like, look, you're going to find the person that you want one day. When that happens, it happens. That's God's plan. In the meantime, don't go be a dog like you used to, because that's where I got in most of my trouble. I had girls get jumped. I had girls get jumped with me for trying to hook up with me or dating me or see me in public with women. And it's like I've been through that. I've been through that little phase of just sleeping with multiple women. And that shit kind of destroyed me, like, within. Like, I felt less of myself. I felt used more women didn't want they just wanted to mess around and let me spend my money as opposed to dating me so like after a while I was like bro I'm just getting played by all these women so I have to learn to resist yeah no that's definitely number one best self-preservation instinct that dude could have is just like be very careful with like who you give your sexual energy to and really I feel like being in a long-term relationship like so many people that I know that go through like bullshit in their private life i just look at it and i'm like man like you gotta get a girlfriend like you gotta figure something out because it will just save you so much bullshit like when i really look back at my like the last couple years before i got into a relationship it was like bro i was just every girl i met like way too crazy and i was starting to like have success at that point too so it just was coming in at a rate that i just like was not used to and it's like the thing about the fame thing is that like girls were really me like with their friends just for fun like it was just like like they just thought this was like a cool thing to do and like for for so much of my life I had really had to work to get you know and then it just started coming in like nothing and like I remember one time I had this girlfriend and like she she went out of town for a week and this is probably to 2013 she went out of town for a week and then she came back on new year's and we took ecstasy together and then i went to the bathroom and she went through my phone and basically she figured out that i had like six or seven girls in the week that she had been gone and like i honestly like the idea that i had a different girl every single night that she was gone i really hadn't even processed it or thought about it and like she was so mad at me and i i felt like she was yelling at a version of myself that i hadn't even like accepted like i i hadn't really accepted that i was like this sex addicted at that point in my life and like she's screaming at me and i'm just like kind of feeling like she's yelling at me about somebody else like somebody else who did some f***ed up s*** because i i i was just like i don't know i had like a different version of me that i was like entering into that was just anything that moved it's funny you mentioned that uh my i have a little brother who's a content creator goes by the name of kid cane looks totally different boy knows how to dress he just does his hair boy is handsome and so you look at me and him you're gonna be like this boy this is a handsome one he got all the handsome jeans this boy is a thug right here and he got famous and when he got famous i've seen so much women that he's hooked up with before he's with the girl he's with and i used to sit there and be like bro i want to be famous one day and you know like this fool i slept with like eight girls in one week one time i was like bro this was a mag girls were coming from LA and Vegas and different states to hook up with them I was like bro that's the goal right there then I got there and I was like I didn't get that same thing I don't get that same treatment I get women every now and then that'll miss me but I won't hook up because I'm like bro I'm not flying out of state to go see you if I'm there then that's a different story then once I got the fame my fame was different from his like he got a lot of followers and they loved him and they slept with him but my fame was more or less like they liked me for the person that I became So I've learned to embrace the person that I am instead of just being a sexual dog.

1:45:39I was like, bro, I'm a renegade. I got to conduct myself a certain way. And I think that's helped me develop over the years my new characteristics and my new approach to life. Like, just be a better man. Be a better version of yourself. Learn to resist. Learn to fight the temptations. Because if I go back to that life where I was just driving around, spending all my money, sleeping with all the women, I'm going to end up getting smoked. and I got close to it on two different occasions where I'm like, I can't trust it no more. It's crazy that that girl would even have sent you those messages. Like if she had thought about it for five seconds, she would have realized like, oh, if they kill you, then she's going down too.

1:46:17I mean, like she didn't process that. That's kind of crazy. Yeah, it's true because she was so adamant that night, but I remember talking to this one girl and it was Angelica and she got jumped at the bar and i've never been at that bar i've never even been seen her in person i was talking to her through messaging but because she was a facebook friend of mine they assumed that we had partied together so she went to a bar with her friends and a gang of northerners just jumped this girl and she messaged me and she's like hey did you tell anybody that we talked or like we met or something i was like no i've never met you before i've talked before and then she's showing me her face all beat up and she's like yeah because we're Facebook friends they made this assumption and they said that they one time they seen me and you at this bar and I got jumped like I'm gonna block you I don't want nothing to do with you I don't even know who you are but because we're a Facebook friend so to me seeing that kind of danger that happens like now I look at every woman like a setup and that kind of sucks because I don't want to push the wrong woman away that's for me because I'm like bro she could be involved but some of the women I talk to are like heavily involved with people like are famous that are in prison that are prison gang leaders and i'm like damn i'm playing a daily game just even talking to these women so like i'm real leery about that now yeah totally like when i think about like when tinder came out in 2012 i mean that's really like how i saw california because it was like every night i'd just be in a different city at a different bar or different like club or whatever just hanging out with different chicks because it was just like i mean it's just so many different areas that when i like i'll drive by a sign on the freeway and i'll just be thinking like Like, I remember going there a couple times.

1:47:58And it was just always like 11 p.m. meeting up at some bar or some shit. But, like, yeah, I mean, I didn't have any, like, sense of danger or anything. Like, the last thing I was thinking about was that something could happen to me, you know? Yeah, and then you read all about the tender dates and people getting killed. I'm cool. Yeah. Like, I got my social media apps, but I ain't been on no dating apps or nothing. I'm just kind of like, man, I'm just going to wing it at this point, which has been the hardest battle other than sobriety. Yeah. Being sober for seven years sucks. like i'm like man i'm sober i see everything clear life seems boring or slow or stressful and i see people drinking smoking bud and they're just relaxed calm not a f in the world and here i am sober like damn bro i ain't got no life then i stay at home and edit all day where i was like i don't even have time to talk to a girl like so now my sex life sucks now my my my sober life sucks so it kind of eats you up but you know not dating and not you know having that sexual drive because i've been in the car so so long in prison that's probably been the hardest battle because i'm like bro i'd give up this youtube all day if i had a woman to come home to but instead i've isolated myself because of my fear because of being scared of the streets being scared to go out being scared of me people that i just like couldn't find myself in another prison cell at home doing youtube that's been my hardest battle you almost recreated prison in the crib now granted you have more amenities and you get to have a relationship with your kid and you get to enjoy walk outside whatever like all these great things that make it way better than prison but you kind of almost like recreated the experience for yourself that's the the mother of my kids that's what she said she's like dude all you all you really do now is like you're in prison again she's all you don't leave that room you're stuck in that room you're editing all day yeah i got all the extracurricular stuff but she's like you never leave your house on the weekends you're just stuck there as soon as you get home from work you're stuck there she's all that's what that's why your life is so like because off camera bro like i got my personal issues i got my mental health issues i got like like the fear issues.

1:49:50I just get caught up in this YouTube world where I'm like, I don't want to go outside. I don't want to go to the bar. I don't want to meet this girl because of this reason. And I make all these dumb excuses for myself when I'm over here telling people, hey, man, live your life. But here I am, like, just isolated, and I feel comfortable with it. And that's the scary part is that I'm comfortable being in that room for eight hours a day, and I'll go in the other room and shower and then go to the other room and go to bed. And that's been my biggest – I think that's my biggest downfall, why I haven't lived the best version of my life is because I got stuck in that realm again.

1:50:20I don't think you should have any shame about that, though, because like I for a long time kind of was like living some version of that. Like even when I like kind of really became like, you know, successful and shit, like I still was just grinding out hours and hours and hours of podcasting. Like I just really tried to like never get too separate from that mentality. Granted, it's like much more social. like the dudes that I know who like really just sit in their room and make videos all day like sometimes I talk to them and I realize that like to them what I do is just like infinitely more enjoyable looking for for them from the outside because like you know it can just get kind of dark just making video after video like like Flacco Flacco is somebody who you know I've seen him get like the craziest level of success really that I've seen anybody who ever came through no jumper i seen him make like a hundred grand in a month but that involves him being in his apartment making like three videos a day and just never really doing anything and even like i always bring it up but like when forester blew his hand off he was on a date and he just went home like date's over he's going home he's making a video about it but it's like he knew that that was probably a video to get 300 000 views or some shit so it's like it's funny he's out extra yeah i was in uh I was in Oklahoma State with him.

1:51:35Oh, really? He has a Crip tattoo on his chest, and I did a video about it. Oh, sure, really? I gave him that tattoo gun to use that I was active at the time. He used to work out with me. Really? Yeah, so I made the video about him, but I never said nothing bad about him. But he was in the hole for, I think he beat up one of his enemies, and I was in a hole for trying to stab a Southsider from San Jose. And then me and him were there. He was like two cages over. He'd bust down with us, but then afterwards he'd talk to the blacks. He'd politic with blacks. and then he was there with me when like the Oklahoma prison had a tornado hit the building so we I was like maybe eight months in the hole with that dude we talked a lot so I was like I know why he won't acknowledge me now oh really no because I'm not part of the gang life no more oh okay so he's never really said it never does nothing but I gave him my respect to be fair he don't really like talking about anybody for the most part like he don't really I don't even know if he really watches YouTube that much well he the way he the way he is on camera is the way he was in prison.

1:52:30Yeah. I can say that. Wes can't say the same thing, but for a four extra, I was like, dude, that dude hasn't changed one bit. Really? Loves his gang. Wait, so you were locked up with Wes Watson too? In Arizona. Oh my God. 2008. How was that? Well, he wasn't who he says he was. He said he was the shot caller, right? Nah, he wasn't that, because look, when I was in Arizona, I showed up, I was only on my third year in prison, so I didn't have a lot of, I didn't, it's called a rank and file. The Northerners, it's called rank and file. rank and file means you outrank certain people so i had status as gang leadership but i hadn't had rent a prison yet i was still being molded so i have a celly who was from uh he was supportive at the time he was actually a big homie and he was like look i'm gonna be oversight because you need to build your resume so you need to take over this prison now it's not it's not like the ideal leadership like everybody thinks it is it's you in a prison running 60 inmates at the time it was northerners and then you had whites and southerners in a different pod all the gang leadership that's in prison are gonna communicate with one another so i had to communicate with southsiders and i had to communicate with the white leadership he wasn't the white leadership at that time and i stood in there from 2008 to 2011 while he was out there getting his buff on i interacted with southsiders i interacted with the whites he was just a regular inmate so i was like kind of when i when i heard about him, I was like, I don't remember you out of state, bro.

1:53:59And I was actually gang leadership. Even when I went to Oklahoma and was interacting with Southsiders and whites that we programmed together, I was familiar with all the gang leadership there. It's not hard to tell in prison who's gang leadership and who's not. His name never rang a bell while I was out there. Now, maybe if I left in 2011 and he inspired to become somebody big, then I can't speak on that. But his paperwork is online. A Converse perspective on what year he was there in Arizona, he put him on blast and i have the same paperwork where i was in that same facility at that time and like i said his name didn't come up because i i can honestly speak from my personal experience no my norteño leadership wasn't nothing like the southsiders and whites because i was we were isolated and getting beat up a lot but i had to interact with these guys and it wasn't him and it sure now it wasn't no southsiders that were that that you see famous here these were convicted felons that were there for long terms damn so you you think he's like actually misrepresenting himself or is it Is it possible that he's just two different perspectives?

1:54:58I think with social media, you can be whoever you want to be. I mean, look at me. I've talked about my past, but now I'm just known as the biggest dropout with the biggest mouth. I'm just me. I haven't changed nothing. I'm just a renegade media who does content, who's very humble. Social media, you can be who you want to be because nobody can really check your credentials. And even if they do make you look bad and you're put on blast, your paperwork's posted online, people come to see you as a content creator. So him being successful as he is, yeah, of course I want to be that kind of success.

1:55:29Not his prison status, but the success that he has as a millionaire. But the amount of scrutiny that he gets now with so many people making videos about him and trying to disprove every part of his life and people showing up to his gym and all this shit is kind of like, you see what comes with, especially in this day and age of trying to create this persona around yourself. that if you try to like really be this like viral character the people are just gonna line up to tear you down they do it to me before i'm pretty sure they're gonna do it to me because of this interview but before that they always done it to me but then i was like i've been myself this whole time i was a gang leader who got beat up by his homies who got stabbed on the tier who joined a dropout gang to go against his own gang then my own gang went against me i'm just stuck by that reputation now a lot of people don't even see me as a dropout they just see me as 59j he's a renegade media he just creates content but for the gang world of course i'm always going to be under scrutiny for him i think it backfired but it hasn't taken nothing from him i don't know if he's losing all his wealth and all that but you know some people don't care of like if he lied or if he fabricated or he added extras to it people cared like man this dude's a crazy personality and that's what i'm saying when it comes to social media you could be anybody a lot of people choose to be somebody other than themselves and i think that's when it backfires the most for sure just to go back to the other thing were you surprised that uh four extra ended up blowing up and being viral and having all these crazy moments online and stuff or no like that dude's reckless as hell bro like who holds up i'm not holding no damn m80 m100 in my hand i ain't doing nothing that silly to jeopardize myself but as for his music off the back you know that he did viral you know you got to give credit what credits do whatever he did it worked dude i'd watch his videos when he was on No Jumper and I was like bro this boy murdered it with 100 ,000 views and just talking reckless, talking nonsense I give the man his credit man he is who he is and like I said but I knew him in prison he's the same version bro that man hasn't changed so he's actually being his authentic self to me nah facts so okay describe you said you were 7 years sober 7 years sober 2000 So you got out 2020, but you got sober in 2018 or so?

1:57:472018. So basically like you were doing, what were you primarily doing? Meth? Heroin. Heroin. The whole time you were locked up. And was that something you were doing on the streets too? Or it just started once you got in there? On the streets, I was doing like weed and meth. Oh, right. And then once you start seeing how people act in prison, like it's like, you're like, I didn't know why I hated that drug. I was like, bro, all these fools want to do is just jack off like 10 hours a day, bro. Just ripping their shoes. On meth, it's like that? Dude, it's like all you do is get horny in jail. And I've seen cellies mess with their cellies because they were horny.

1:58:17And I'm like, yeah, I'm good. So I had a cellie from San Jose because I always thought heroin was a Southsider drug because I'd always see, when I was active, I see Southsiders nodding off and slamming a needle. Bro, you said in one of the interviews, I was like sitting next to my girl listening to all my headphones and you just said, yeah, I walk in and I see four Southsiders sitting around a table and they're all passing around a needle, like all shooting up with the same needle. and I'm just like, I had to tell her. She's like, you don't got to tell me shit like that. It's just like the grossest mental image of passing a needle around like a backwood.

1:58:49You guys used to tell Lena? Yeah, because I just heard you say it and I told her and she's just like, you don't got to tell me that. That's disgusting. Like, what the fuck? Before you get all prejudgmental, I did the same thing. I'm a heroin dude. It was bad. What's the logic? It's just like the needle, it's not actually that dirty? No, there ain't no logic to it. You're being scumbag. I was just wondering. and I'm like my whole life I thought like you should never use the same needle as somebody else and then I heard you say that I'm like is it that bad I guess maybe it's not that bad bro it's just it's a rare thing to get a hold of and that's the best way to get high off heroin yeah you can snort it it's cool but when you hit that vein and it rushes you like instantly instantaneously it's changing I've seen it in so many movies and songs and shit over the years that I feel like I I know what it's like like I've talked to so many people who talk about it I'm glad I haven't done it until you experience it bro heroin was like a kiss from heaven especially when you're still slamming it and it's still going in and you're already getting high you're just kind of like It's a crazy adrenaline rush, but I had a homie from San Jose, because like I said, I thought heroin was a Southside drug.

1:59:50I was like, man, these Southsiders are dirty fools. Like I looked at myself as superior over Southsiders back then. So he brings it to me and he's like, bro, this you should try. So the first experience was crap. I was throwing up. I was damn near crying. I couldn't. My stomach was hurting. But then after the second time I did it, heroin became my drug. And I did that for eight whole years straight. Anytime there was heroin on the yard, I was nodding off. And it was hard to kick, but I was like, I'm coming home now, bro. Like, I got two years to the pad, bro. I didn't think I was ever coming home.

2:00:20Would you go long periods without being able to get it ever? Or was it pretty consistent? It was consistent. The ones that bring it in the most are Southsiders and ex-Southsiders on the SNY. They had all the plugs. So I had a homeboy from Hayward at the time. He brought it in. He was bringing in that gas, that fentanyl stuff when it first hit. And people were just like, oh, Dean, and wanting that drug. They were like, bro, where's that at, bro? Tell your homie to hook it up. I'm like, y 'all want to die? I want the regular black. I don't want this cut stuff. Southside has brought it in the most.

2:00:48Maybe I'll go like a weekend or two without it. But there's too much money to be made on those yards for you not to bring in drugs. So the drugs were there on a consistent basis. And how much money were you making to be able to afford that? Because it's pretty expensive in there, right? Well, when I was buying it, it was like$100 of paper. $100 would give me through the weekend. I spent a couple hundred dollars. But when I started bringing it in before I got busted, you know i can make you can make about like five to seven grand off just a zip of heroin holy shit and i did it for like eight eight months but i was doing it through a teacher and i got busted me my celly and the teacher got busted and i went to the hole for a little bit and that's when i was like i that's when i hurt the worst because i imagine doing like five grams of heroin a week and your whole pipeline gets took i was sick i was skinny i was felt like i was dying every day Do you know what kind of charges the teacher got hit with?

2:01:40Introducing contraband to the facility. Yeah. And me and Marcelle, they got us under conspiracy for eight months, but they only found me with cell phones. They didn't find the drugs on us. Oh, okay. So they got us for the cell phones. They got him for conspiracy. They introduced prison contraband, which is like three years probation. But they knew we were bringing in all kinds of heroin and meth. But we were just getting so high that when they busted us, like we didn't have no drugs. When they busted us, we were waiting for that following Tuesday to get more dope in. So we had no drugs. But they caught me with like two cell phones, two touchscreens.

2:02:13Yeah. And then we went to the hole and then they kicked me off that yard because of that. Wow, that's crazy. Five grams a week, I was just slamming in my veins. Just didn't eat, drink Kool-Aid all day and just slam dope. Damn, so you were like super rail thin and shit you couldn't eat? I remember some inmate walked up and he wanted some dope and he was like, hey, bro, you look like a Simpson character, bro. you're hella yellow bro like you dehydrated or something i was like i was like i don't feel like it and i just kept looking at myself that day i was like am i yellow bro but then i looked at my arms i had like 13 holes over here five holes over here holes on my hands holes in my neck from hitting my vein like it was a bad time and there's like no serious effort by the ceos to like eliminate the heroin that's being brought in or anything it's just kind of they just accept it Could they if they wanted to?

2:03:00No, they can, but they wait. They play this waiting game. They want to see you get busted with, like, big stuff. They don't want to see you busted with, like, oh, just a hair little gram. They don't want to do paperwork for that. Right. So the cops usually just tell, like, the investigative unit, like, hey, we think these fools are bringing it in. There's a lot of traffic at a cell. And then they'll wait, like, months. And then they'll bust you with, like, you're bringing in, like, two or three zips. And then those are the big cases for them. Those are the big wins. But there's been times where I've been nodding off, have an empty spoon right there, and the CO's like, hey, man, put the curtain up.

2:03:30I'm like, all right. And I put the curtain up, and I just nod off. They know we're high. They just don't want to do paperwork. So they don't want you. As long as you're not fighting, you're in a cell and the door ain't opening. They don't care what the hell you do in your cell. So I would just leave the needle on my locker. I leave a spoon with a cotton right there full of dope so when I wake up I can hit another shot. They just walk right past you. As long as you're there in a cell and you're accounted for, they don't really care. The CEOs in California do not care about what we do. But have you seen that change throughout your life?

2:03:58Because I heard you talk in one interview about how basically like you saw it kind of go from a world in which the CEOs took everything super serious. And they were trying to bust you for everything. And they were beating the shit up people, et cetera, to the point where it's now it's different where they just kind of. And you haven't been locked up for like 13 years or whatever, but you're super in touch with all these people who are. Or like, what do you think that change is that they just don't care about being, you know, aggressive and, you know, prosecuting every last crime? A lot of the CEOs are involved in it.

2:04:30I feel like the CEOs and you can learn a lot from Hector Bravo's channel because he was an ex correctional officer. A lot of the CEOs, they just they became just like the inmates, like violence entertains them. Not all of them, but a lot of them. They don't care about the drugs. They know what's going by. Some of them can make some money off of it. There was a cop in Tehachapi. he'd bring in phones, but when he wanted to, when he felt like it was safe. So we'd just wait. We would wait like three or four months, and he would just show up and be like, hey, man, here, give me these numbers. And then we'd get him the numbers, and then he wouldn't even tell us when we were getting the phones.

2:05:02He would just sit there and be like, all right, I got the money. I'll let you know. And it'd be like another couple more weeks, and we're over here like, man, I'm going to stab this cop, bro. That was three grand. And then the cop would just drop it off right there. And they'll find ways to make money off it, get their issue, and just walk away. I think the cops just stopped caring because they can't stop us. Yeah. If there's a will, there's a way in jail. We'll figure out a way. Now they're using drones, dropping it off. People are bringing in Tennessee whiskey in there, Patron bottles in prison.

2:05:29What the fuck? Like bottle service? Yeah, dude. You can get a cell phone, get caught with it, and have a cell phone by that afternoon again. Wow. It's that easy because there's so much money to be made that the cops can't stop it no more. So now they're just like, we're just here to do our job. Y 'all want to kill each other? Y 'all want to die off these drugs? Go right on the head. We're going to go home at the end of the day. they just stopped caring after like 2015 really and there yeah i mean you know what that reminds me of this how you you hear a lot of people say that like like i've heard like high school teachers say this that like nowadays it's like you can't even like correct the behavior of a young kid because their brains are so fried by social media and tiktok and shit that they just don't care about anything so if you threaten them with punishment or whatever they're just kind of like whatever you give them detention or whatever they're just not going they're just like they just don't give a like it's just they've kind of like given up they realize how pointless everything is and it feels like in some way that's like the same transformation that some of these ceos go through it is a lot of the cops they don't care if we stab each other they don't care if we're hot they don't care about none of that yeah i think they're just so used to working in the prison systems and now with these big homies walking the yard they're like even more fear because this big homie can say kill a cop and these guys got to kill a cop so now they there's been ceos i talked to that live in constant fear like bro i don't even want to go to work because i'm afraid of what these gang members are going to do to me.

2:06:45They're just there to do their job. Everything in the system got watered down where prison society pretty much runs everything. Cops don't even care no more. That's so crazy. Yeah, but I'm glad I'm out because I'm free. Now I don't got to worry about that. I just tell the stories on YouTube, make my money, and I go to bed in my own bed, wake up and eat my own food. I ain't got to worry about my bunkies stabbing me or strangling me with an extension cord. Like those days are gone for me. So let's go over like what had to happen in order for you to kind of become separate from the Norteños? Like you were basically like you were selling drugs and not kicking up to the bosses for a period of time?

2:07:22Yeah. What happened was like when I went out of state with Webb Watson and them, production and revenue was part of the NFS protocol for us. We have to make them money because they were in the shoes, so we had to send them money. And I had like a connection, but I didn't have a connection. My connection was like, wait, let me see who's going to take over this prison, whose jurisdiction it is. So while I was waiting, I'm like, I'm going to make money. And I made a lot of money in Arizona and Oklahoma. And my big homie that I was working for winds up getting snatched up by the feds. So now I lost communication with California.

2:07:56He was the one talking to his brothers to get who's going to take control over it. So for that period of time, I'm like, well, my big homie's busted. Somebody will reach out to me. Well, that's like a year and a half of no communication, no reporting. They don't know what I'm doing, but they keep hearing that like, oh, bro, these Nord learners are making money. They got cell phones. They're refining staff. We're doing all kinds of stuff. So when I got put under investigation, they're like, where's all this money at? And I'm like, it's in Arizona and Oklahoma. They got a bank over there. I didn't send you guys no money because who was I supposed to send it to?

2:08:27So they put me under investigation for a very long time. And after a while, I just started getting like I was already in the prison system like six, seven years. My rank and file that I was telling you about, it got big. my resume got big to where I got like big headed where I was like bro you can't tell me shit like I'm running so I come back to uh uh Corcoran new Corcoran and I'm running the yard with my celly so I started feeling like I got arrogant I was like I'm I'm not an old leadership bro like I ain't got an answer to you I just got to report to you and let you know what I'm doing just because like in certain situations in prison you could be so isolated from everybody else that it just you almost forget about the bigger structure that you're expected to kick up to I did like but At the same time, we were having too much fun out there in Arizona and Oklahoma.

2:09:09We were playing PlayStation. We're drinking real liquor. We're having sex with all the staff. We're having sex with the librarian women. We're running trains on some of the COs out there. I just got lost in this realm, but I was doing my job making money, but the money was for everybody in that facility. We were all buying these phones. We were all making sure homies had canteen, homies had clothes, homies had this. And the whole time, I got my big homie in Corcoran's shoe, broke as hell, talking about, hey, where's my money at? And I'm like, bro, I didn't even know I had a report to you. So when I got back to Cali, I started answering to all of it.

2:09:40I'm under investigation for a very long time. And the questions kept being the same where I'm like, you know what? Forget your questions, bro. You got a problem with it. Do something about it, bro. Because right now we're going to war with Southsiders. I need to protect my people. I need to make sure that these Southsiders don't butcher us because there's like only 15 of us and there's like 200 of them. My concerns are totally different. For me, ignoring them and not answering an investigation is when I got charged for freelancing and going rogue. And those are the two cardinal sins that you can do against the NF and as Northenial leadership that can get you killed.

2:10:13So when the decision came, they got on my celly and my celly blasted me in a cell. And it was because I stopped reporting and I stopped answering their questions. Breakdown blasted for the people out there. Like you're getting stabbed. Yeah, but like you're around him all the time. Is he just acting cool with you? He was smooth. And then all of a sudden, one minute, just boom, he just unloads? I was writing a letter at that time. And we both got letters the same day. The only thing is he got a letter from the back saying, get rid of your celly. I got a letter from some ex that I've been wanting to talk to forever that left me hanging.

2:10:47So I'm in the zone, in love again. I got a girl on the team now. I'm finna get the bundle. I'm finna get drugs. I'm finna get cell phones. And then he's like, hey, bro, like administration knows that me and you are running the yard i think it's best if we get rid of our weapons and our paperwork i'm like you're right so like i said i wasn't thinking that he's plotting on me because me and this fool are going to war with other group segments i fish my weapon down i fish my paperwork down i turn around i'm like all right let me get your stuff and i just see it with a banger out he's like hey fool you gotta go bro and i'm like why so we started talking about it i'm like bro you seriously like that's not your brotherhood i'm your brother like we just answered to them bro they have their own problems bro like you're my brother out here you've seen what I've been doing for the people you know my leadership why you taking his side he was like bro better you than me and he swung and busted my head open he cut my lips open I got scars across my fingers I got a stab wound that goes up here I got puncture wounds right here in my ribs and we fought and we fought like like as long as we could until they came for showers and we're like oh shit we're running showers so I'm trying to get rid of the weapon I flushed the weapons.

2:11:50Wait, so how long do you think you fought for? Maybe like a good four minutes. Oh, okay. He was a fat boy. He was a big boy, so he went real easy. So I'm bleeding everywhere. And when it comes to getting stabbed, being fat, it's probably a good thing, right? Well, I wasn't fat. I was skinny. Oh, yeah. But he was fat. Oh, so you weren't able to stab him because you got rid of your weapon, right? So he had the knife, and I got rid of the knife. I flushed it, and I'm like, hey, help me out. I'll clean the blood. So I'm cleaning the blood on the floor, but my head, my face is leaking, and my teeth are through my lips.

2:12:19And I'm like, ah. So I'm trying to hide it, but the cops see it, cuff me up, take me to the hole for investigation. I talk to the homies in the back, and the homies are like, bro, they're going to get you, bro. You're already deemed no good. I'm like, nah, you're crazy, bro. I couldn't accept it in my head that I was deemed no good. So when I went back, I'm like, all right, I'm going to plead my case. I'm going to finally answer their questions, and we'll see what happens. But as soon as I opened up the door, my celly rushed me on a tear, and he beat the hell out of me on his tear. So after I get removed two times in the same facility is when the administration was like, all right, we're going to put you on a SNYR.

2:12:53You're deemed a program failure. You're deemed by your own people. They already knew. So that's when I gave up. I was like, my people don't want me. They don't need me. So all I did was get deemed no good for kind of doing my job, but becoming arrogant to say, like, you know what? Forget my big homies, bro. I got better things to worry about. And so, like, when people call you a dropout, you didn't have a choice. I mean, you could have, like, done different shit in the beginning, I guess. But what were you really going to do? It was kind of forced upon you. And the only thing you could have done is what?

2:13:21Just be a total crider and just try to pry your way back into good standing? I've been trying to educate a lot of the social media about that. There's certain dropouts. There's people that got stabbed that couldn't go back. There's people that got deemed no good and greenlighted couldn't go back. There's people that did walk away and snitch. And there's people that went to the THU and debriefed and told on the whole organization. There's different versions of a dropout. The term dropout is for the big, big organizations. Me, I just got deemed no good and got sent in Norteño politics. They don't even call me a dropout.

2:13:55They call me an NGN, which is a no good Norteño. So all that's telling the Norteño population is that this fool used to be a big homie. He knows how we operate. He's an immediate threat. A dropout is like an NF or a Mexican mafia or an AB that told on the whole organization. Right. But since a lot of people on social media don't know that, they just look at it like, well, you left the gang, so you're a dropout and you told. So they're just used to what they learned. And I think people assume that you must have told or cooperated at some point, right? Because that's typically how someone would leave a gang.

2:14:26But it wasn't like that for you. No, it's not like that for a lot of people. The only people that tell and the only people that do good at telling are the people that actually were validated members because they have the most information to provide to other people. a dude that got stabbed on the yard because he had a drug dead doesn't know stuff about politics he just knows who probably runs this building but he don't know what the big homies are doing he doesn't know how the organized crime operates he just got deemed no good so they don't want his information they want dudes that are validated that were part of the organization who used to work for these members I got stabbed twice and back then the policy in the dom was you know you couldn't put these individuals back on the yard if they're considered threats because lawsuits If they would have killed me because they kept putting me back, my family could have sued them.

2:15:12So instead they were like, we'll go to SNY. And I didn't fight it. I was like, I'll go. And I just went. Once I went to the SNY, I was like, bro, my life is over. This sucks. And it was a weird phase to go through. Yeah. So you just hated it off-rip? It was just like. Yeah, because I lived my whole life gangbanging. Who wants to be deemed like that? Who wants to be viewed like that? I mean, you don't know how many women out here in society look at me. Like, if I even try to flirt with them, like, now you're a dropout for MS. it's like i'm just like scum of the earth see we gotta change the type of women that you spend time around most women i know would not even know what that is every single thing you told me today would be totally new to them like you gotta just because because you gotta understand like if you're hanging out with like normal ass white women and shit they're just gonna think that you're like a guy with like a sketchy past it's like fascinating intriguing i'm not gonna be like oh he's a drop out they're gonna make of course he's a drop out if you had to get out of that life you're gonna be around me.

2:16:05No, I'm not. This was like when I first got out, the woman that I was talking to. Now, I hold myself to a higher expectation. But yeah, going over there, dropping out. I come out here to society. That's all they know. That's all they assume. So I've been educating them throughout the years. But that's how I got deemed no good by my people. And truth is, for a long time, I didn't accept it. I denied it. And I try to say it was their fault. But I'm 38 now. I accept that. Look, bro, you were trying to become somebody. You got arrogant. You violated the rules, even though you didn't think you were and they accused you of stealing thousands and thousands of dollars and truth the matter is like i didn't steal it i just left it there because i didn't know where it was going but it's not i didn't go over there and throwing everybody under the bus like well this homeboy has in his wife's holding the bank money i didn't do that i was like nah bro i ran the yard yeah what are we gonna do about it and they just kept wanting they kept asking me where's the money at where's the money and i was like bro i saw you guys care about like yeah y 'all didn't care about when the homie got brain dead out there or when all the four homies that caught life sentences for stabbing that Southsider and slamming a phone on his head y 'all even care about that do y 'all even know the homie's name from Richmond I got his whole face spit open like his jaw was open from these Southsiders the same pod that Wes Watson was in the Southsiders and us went to war like they weren't asking those kind of questions so if I after a while I was like man I ain't answering you guys questions but that's what shot me in the foot in the long run is just me being arrogant yeah because i mean that's gonna be the hard thing about being in a gang is that like at a certain point you just are starting to realize that you are probably smarter and more with it and like a better leader than the actual leaders but you're over here and you know you need to be basically like a foot soldier and a servant to dudes who if you're out on the streets you'd be looking at as just like a random that like like why am i operating under this guy like i should be telling this guy what to do same fools that be gang leaders in prisons are the ones that come home homeless strung out on drugs yeah and that's the truth of the matter is and that's what i'm trying to reveal my channel is like bro you guys are idolizing men who who are incapable of doing anything for themselves and yet you guys take orders and influence cities like los angeles and northern california you guys these these men influence cities that are just broke and desperate men and that's what i've been trying to do with my youtube channel that's prior wise made me the most hated but like i think i'm doing good because i've actually lived a lifestyle and i can actually talk from my personal experience like bro you're idolizing men that are no good themselves it's just to you guys they're active that makes them highly decorated that makes some you know idols bro these are grown men that threw their lives away that are in prison or are never coming home that is not the type of path you really want to follow that's what i've been doing on my channel yeah i think that's like the most important message that you're kind of putting out there it's like you know the same way like i remember uh like forever ago in like the the 1900s or some shit like you know like over a hundred years ago that like some investigative journalists like basically like uh infiltrated the clan and like the people had always thought of the klu klux klan as this like super you know powerful cool mysterious organization and then this guy infiltrates it and basically just like reports back to the public about all the goofy ass nicknames and all the like lame ass that they were doing and like over the course of a couple years the klu klux klan went from like this extremely respected feared organization to like a joke in the eyes of a lot of people and like you know i feel like the average person now looks at the kkk is just like some weirdo shit you know and it's like that's what like enough sunlight can do to a organization as time goes by you know like all you really need to do a lot of times is just reveal what's really going on and that would be enough for people to stop seeing it as this cool powerful force pretty much that's what's been my agenda because if you think about it if it wasn't for me a lot of people just look at it like oh the mexican mafia is like all these other documentaries all these mexican movies he ran pacoyma he ran pomona he ran san diego i'm like no let me show you a different version how they hang out with sex offenders or how some of them have r's on their jackets or some of them in there have raped men or some of them in there have killed kids and all of them in there are just strung out on dope in a cell like is this this is the version y 'all need to see instead of like oh this man ran three counties and had like four drive-by shootings and like nine kids died at the hands of this man's blessings.

2:20:33I'm like, no, bro, if you're going to see that version, you're going to see this version. And that's why I've gotten so good at what I got. But it's crazy, though. People call me a dropout so much, but yet how do I got active information if I've been out of the prison five years and I've been considered a dropout since 2012? It's active gang members providing me this information because they're tired of seeing it and they're tired of hearing it and they're tired of being involved in it. So what do they do? They utilize somebody like me that ain't afraid to talk about it and just, hey, this is what's going on in the inside.

2:21:02And I've showed casitas. I've showed legal casinos. I've showed so much to the public to tell everybody, like, all these dudes want is drugs and money, and your kids are getting killed for it. So maybe you can help me out by teaching these kids what's really going on. And I think that's why my success has been where it's been. Do you think that you would have ended up leaving the gang life if it hadn't kind of been forced upon you? You know what's crazy? that's like the main question everybody always asks me and already says and i'm like i've been truthful with everybody like look if my circumstances wouldn't have changed i probably would have been this gang leader that had been in prison that other people would have been making youtube is it about my life was dedicated to the nathaniel politics i wanted to be the big homie all my life but it didn't happen and things worked out this way for a reason now i am that same leader just in a different standpoint now and with what what what a much more powerful voice but it's truth be told like my whole life was dedicated to northenial politics i still got the bonds in the format memorized in my head i still know the whole northenial history i can break it all down like it's fresh like it was yesterday it's because i spent most of my life being that so if i didn't get removed i'd be doing life in prison and i'd be in cork and shoe and i'd be running these yards it's crazy because in the real world if you were like a guy who worked at no jumper like a podcast around no jumper and then you just decide like adam adam's you start your own no jumper we've seen this happen a million times this is normal like you know if you work at google and you don't like google if i can go start your own software company or whatever and the difference in like the gang shit is just that like it's the same reason why you can't really like start your own country because america has a military so it's like if you decide that you want to start your own country and have your own laws well eventually you're gonna have to deal with the police and the military and shit like that it's just like because i almost feel like you you feel like you're more indicative of like what the cause that you joined with when you're a kid was really supposed to be about they're like you know that you you don't say it really because it's like kind of like too much to put this narrative out there but you feel like what you've done with your life is like actually like you're you're the real Norteño.

2:23:21It's just great I was thinking you're gonna put it in those terms look I put it like this right in the Norteño format there's a phrase that says advancement demands change if you look at the 30 years of Norteño history all they've done is went to war with Southsiders and once that stopped when the big homies hit the yard they started killing each other so all you hear is norteños killing norteños so you want these guys to identify themselves to an ideology and a cause that was specifically descriptive to advance the people for the betterment of the people you'll always see that term in norteño education betterment how have you better the people besides mass incarceration and grave sites they haven't so to me it's like if i'm educating norteño i'm like look look what your people are doing all your homies are getting busted you buried like three homies this year your homies in prison are just using you and punking you for your canteen and stabbing you and killing you on a yard, where is your best interest at that they talked about that encouraged us to be Norteños?

2:24:16When I learned education when I was younger, I was like, okay, we're going to better our people. How? We're not getting our people jobs. We're not getting our people successful. We're not getting them to vocational schools. We're not raising our kids in good environments. We're just, it's a recycle of failure. So now, what is really a Norteño? How can you call yourself a Norteño in today's generation when you don't even know what your purpose of your identity really was? What's the better of the people? No, you kill your own people, so you're an embarrassment to your own culture, just like Southsiders are an embarrassment to theirs.

2:24:45You don't do nothing for your people besides slaughter them. And that's the hypocrisy that I've been pointing out. If you really wanted good for your people, you would keep them out of jail. They weren't supposed to be out here because, truthfully, Norteños weren't supposed to come out here and start neighborhoods. It was a Norteño identity was meant for the prison to structure it and to protect the people and come home. Norteños came and made neighborhoods, made gangs, then got into organized crime, started killing people, wearing red rags, and it all became detrimental to the Northern Chicano idea.

2:25:14That's why I pointed out, like, you guys were supposed to advance the people, but in 30 years, you guys see no advancements other than you guys have Norteño rappers from every city. But, okay, like, I feel like their argument would be that they had to basically, like, take over neighborhoods and define themselves that way, because if they didn't, then all these neighborhoods were going to become South Side neighborhoods, right? South Sider neighborhoods. That was the war that they were fighting in the prison system. These big homies took it to the streets. But you don't own that neighborhood. You might own that business.

2:25:43You can own that, you know, auto body shop. You can own this podcast. You can own these houses and have real estate and have apartments for our people. You don't have none of that. All you have is a street name and a gang graffiti written all over and saying this is my hood and I'm going to kill for it. But that hood is going to be there when you die and that hood is going to be there when you go to jail. that's property of the city that's property of the state you don't really own that but you could have been owning businesses you could have been owning these uh rehab centers to get your people off drugs but none of them done none of that yeah like i said none they have not advanced their people at all other than more gangs more cities to take over a bigger claim on northern california but guess what all these gangs send all their money to some dude in prison that's not even from their hood right so who really owns that like if you were a guy who started a couple of corner stores or you know a grocery store or some shit and like created jobs for like 10 people that he knows like you're like a person who's created so much more of a positive change in your community than dudes who basically just like prop up killing and drug dealing for their entirety of their life and then like are also kind of like try to tell everybody that they need to fear and respect them for whatever.

2:26:59Just like being in a dangerous gang that everybody's scared of. It's like, you know, if you were to start like a business and spend your life doing that, it would be like so much more respectable and positive for the community. Exactly. Like you had him on the podcast, Big Tom. Yeah. I think that is the example of what Norteño should have been. He's never been to prison. Okay. Didn't gangbang like that. He was in his hood. You know, maybe once in a while he put in work on a saucer, but he pursued his music, connected to one of the biggest Norteño rap artists, Woody. Successful in business, became his own entrepreneur.

2:27:28All you see about that dude is positivity and success. That should have been everybody on that avenue, on that route. You were supposed to go to prison and learn from that experience and say, this is where our people don't need to be. Instead, it became a cycle to where it's perpetuating that cycle to where you, that's where you got to be in order to be a righteous Norteño, considered a Norteño. he was the prime example that I've always said in my YouTube channel. He's what you guys are supposed to become. Most of y 'all ain't doing that. Y 'all just want to go in the hood, smoke some weed, talk about loud, killing enemies, being a rapper, and that's it.

2:28:00Maybe working on Small 95. Should have been better than that. Yeah, because the numbers are oftentimes hard to argue with. And if I were to go look at Big Tone's interview, I'm going to assume it has maybe 100 ,000 views, maybe 200 ,000 views. But meanwhile, Lefty Gilmplay got a million views. the people at home, you know, growth, positivity, business-minded, et cetera, doesn't necessarily draw in the same number of people. People want to see somebody who's liable to crash out. Exactly. Lefty got a million. I think that sends a weird message because I've seen Lefty gunplay. I was out here when he was going all crazy.

2:28:38He was telling his little prison stories on Indicted TV, and I was like, okay, maybe he's been somewhere. Then when I heard about that little thing about the bulldog, he said he blasted some bulldog caught in the temp. I was like, no, you didn't because I have that paperwork because I have a homie that's a bulldog that actually was in that. Right. You weren't involved in that. Right. I knew all the names in that paperwork that were involved. But like I said, on social media, you could be anybody. So how come it takes somebody like that to become that successful and that big? But when you look at Big Tone, it's like, yeah, he got the views.

2:29:07But nobody wants to hear that. They want to hear about this dude that talks smack, that disses everybody, that does drugs, that shows his pecker to women on his social media. All that stuff, they want to see that. That's more entertaining. That's why I think when it comes to me and my channel and my genre, I think I'm falling off because I think the world loves the positivity, but it's really short-sighted. People want the controversy. People that make videos about me, that make fun of me, give a hell of a lot more views than me actually doing my craft because they want to hear the drama. They want to stir things up.

2:29:39And I get it. Controversy sells. I just told myself, I don't want to be a part of that no more. That's why I just kind of stay in my lane. I don't respond to people. And I kind of look at those people that do positive videos. That's something that I watch. I watch Andrew Tate all the time. Everything that food says, I get captivated with. I'm inspired by them people, but everybody else is inspired by the lefties and the cheetos and the swifties and everybody else. That's what's going to encourage the next generation to be. Yeah, it is crazy. If you're a rapper and you don't have a serious drug problem, you're almost better off pretending that you do because for some reason And it seems like that makes the fans so much more interested in you.

2:30:16Yeah. Or if you've been to prison. Yeah. Like now there's new stuff, like all 50-50 yards. Like they were blaming Blueface. And I was like, bro, like blacks don't even care about that, bro. It's not saying anything bad about blacks. Like blacks don't give a damn about 50-50s. They're just going to politic on their own ways, on their own yards, whatever yards they're on. But everybody was trying to accuse Blueface of being 50-50, which he wasn't on a 50-50. There was a King Nico. They blamed him and tried to ruin his credibility. I'm like, bro, you guys are so fascinated with the status of somebody's prison life on social media.

2:30:46Oh, if you weren't on an active yard, we're not going to listen to you. We're not going to bump your music. I'm like, bro, that's how watered down social media has become is that you got to be active. You got to have active gang status to really be somebody on social media. And I think that's like the worst part of social media, period. Because even people that don't go to jail have an opinion on it. Like, oh, I don't know if I should watch you because you haven't been on an active yard. I'm like, get the fuck out of here. I feel like when did normal people start to have enough in on this? I know.

2:31:12That's the thing about blue faces that it feels like he had almost every bad accusation that you could have from a guy who's in prison and none of it panned out in any way. Like they were saying he was smoking spice. He came out. It seems totally normal. He gained a shitload of ways, like intentionally gained weight to get bigger and stuff. They were saying that, you know, they made AI photos of him looking zesty doing like weird poses and shit like that you know even like gumby uh just had like a clip go out where he was talking about how his homies from hoover and shit were squabbling blue face while he's in there so he's not turning down fades and shit like that i mean if anything he got his hood tattooed on his face while he was in there a lot of these are things that are like probably a bad idea but like i mean he definitely seems like he did everything that like a gangster is supposed to do while he's in prison and still they managed to accuse him of everything like it's just so crazy this world we live in it's like How is that so...

2:32:09Nobody wanted to see this fool come out and just make some slappers, like make another Tatiana part two. Nobody cared about that. Everybody was like, bro, what was he doing in jail? Who was he hanging with? Was he really with his gang? Did he turn out... Why is that anybody's concern about somebody's prison status? And I think it's because these last past seven, eight years of everybody validating the prison aspect, the prison complex, the prison genre, the prison status where we've, like how you said earlier, it could be detrimental, have an adverse effect. We've influenced a culture of influence that in order to be popular, in order to be creditable, you have to have good gang status, a good gang reputation, or a good prison status of where you've been in order to become and evolve.

2:32:50And I'm like, bro, that's why. There's been times where I'm like, I'm going to quit YouTube, bro. This shit is stupid. I hate this stuff. You know, when I was with 6ix9ine in Miami, when you just mentioned that before, some girls would be like, oh, you're a dropout or whatever. man i've seen six nine so many girls coming through the hottest girls i've seen in my life now granted world famous rich that helps too but like this dude's like the most famous snitch ever and he's got girls lining up at the crib to just like give him a hug and say hi and who knows how many of them he's banging whatever he seems like he could take it or leave it and they don't give a exactly but like i said in cali it's a hell of a lot more different can't i can't talk of women that know somebody that's active they're gonna be like hell nah yeah but him being what he did and what he said i mean he is who he is he has embraced it and like that's what i'm saying like i'd rather be entertaining women than entertaining a bunch of men that care about whether or not i have any respect in the streets like man fuck that respect dude like i'm you see what i'm sleeping with bro you see how much money this podcast gave me you see how much money i got to go perform like all that concerns me how far i get i'll be damned if i'm really focused on what a guy has to think about me like that's why i kind of got over like dudes call me dropouts like every day in my dms and i was like cool hope that i hope you sleep well at night because i noticed we have a mutual stalker this guy dubs who makes videos about both of us yeah all the time but even in like i was trying to watch some of his videos about you and i'm gonna be real like he takes so long to get to the point of whatever the he's talking about that i didn't even really get to the point of why he doesn't like you or whatever but like i mean what what's your thought process on seeing people who are kind of making their claim to fame like commentating on you like you thought you were commentating on the streets now you got people commentating on your commentary um to be honest with you like dudes war stories about prison are are incredible they're good videos i've watched a few of them okay once him and his co co-partner started attacking me along with others i kind of stopped paying attention to it but if you notice i've never fell for the bait Yeah.

2:34:57I was trying to find videos you made about him. I couldn't find him. Yeah. No, I don't because I get it. I know this is a competitive market, but they're not my competition. I'm on my own competition because I'm trying to better myself. You know, he has made his points. But to be honest with you, like, the only reason why him and his co-partner, from what I've been advised of that hate me, is because, you know, we were all part of the same genre. but because of my intimate details or my like deep details about it about the prison stuff they feel like i'm jeopardizing their lives too like they think that we're all youtubers are gonna get green lighted because of me i'm like bro no i'm gonna get i'm already green lighted for one for two i speak for myself i don't never said i knew you guys never said i talked to you guys i don't associate with you guys they just think that i'm bringing heat to youtube and i'm Like, bro, I have no association with whoever.

2:35:48These guys hate me for me. They hate renegade media because of what I say. That's the worst logic I could ever think of. Well, but that's what that, that's what the, because eventually I kind of asked, I was like, bro, why do they always make fun of me, bro? Like, I don't even talk to those fools. And then when they advised me what they said, and I was like, that's it? I was like, bro, they ain't going to be in LA when I'm in LA. They ain't going to be in San Jose when I'm in San Jose. So if anybody's going to get gunned down, it's going to be me. So I don't see how I'm bringing them. When they don't even talk about it in the aspects or how deep that I get involved, which they've both done before, you have your own things to worry about.

2:36:22Don't worry about what I'm doing. That's all it's ever been. I've never attacked them. I've never went out my way to confront them. I just look at it like, well, I get it. We've all done it at one point in time where you just make fun of somebody, post a thumbnail, and have an opinion about it. The difference is between I'm just focused on me. I'm focused on what I'm doing. Look, I made it to no jumper. I made it to Johnny Mitchell I plan on making it to DJ Vlad I plan on making it to I plan on making places so I really can't sit here and dwell and focus on how people are going to attack me because the bigger you get you're going to get attacked I'm going to make Vlad interview you I got you I've asked him so many times because look I'm going to leave you on this one this is going to be a trip sure so I've asked Vlad so many times to interview me but I just think he's a cool podcaster and like you know one of my biggest you know I guess influencers is Hector Bravo He's made places, been a podcast, so I'm trying to follow that same step.

2:37:15And I've been asking Vlad, but he's been ignoring me. He hasn't answered me. He didn't even look at my DMs. But when that stuff happened with Tory Lanez and Wack 100 was getting at me all crazy, like he didn't even know I talked to Wack yet. And he got at me and he was like, yeah, that was some crazy stuff he said about Tory Lanez. And I was like, yeah, because I got the facts. I got the receipts. So you were the first one who put out the rumor about him getting stabbed up. I broke it down. Why? And Wack 100 called me and he was like, you need to take that down, bro. That's not the narrative. Was Tori talking to the guy's girlfriend or something?

2:37:49That's what the assumption was. See, look, the one thing that I have, it's on my iPad, but my iPad is broken. So I'm trying to get trying to retrieve all of it because I have the pictures of money signs swayed on it, too. The text message is from him on the tablet to his girlfriend at the time. And it was just an accusation like, hey, were you talking to him on the phone? And she was like, no, was he trying to get at you on the phone? And she was like, no. And they were going back and forth. And then he said, I'm going to get at this fool for that. That's the text message that I got from the friend, not the actual girl that he was talking to, but from a friend that she sent the screenshot of them two having a conversation.

2:38:23So when I seen that, I'm talking to two homies that were on the yard. They were like, yeah, fool, like this fool just basically thought that since he was using the phone, you're using Tory Lanez's phone and he'd give it back that Tory Lanez was getting at his old lady. supposedly there's this video of her dancing for tori lanes but no one ever shot it to me that was an accusation on the yard so i didn't throw that in the video i said this will attack tori lanes because he thought he was getting at his old lady or trying to get at his old lady academics posted it my video went viral and whack 100 calls me telling me that that's not the narrative that's not really what happened i need to take it down i'm gonna lose followers i was like no i got my sources you can tell your version and i seen whack 100 go on dj vlad's interview and say the same story that i said i was like how you gonna he was trying to stop him from coming out at some point he just gave up that was the one time i was like bro i'm gonna i'm gonna make a video about this but i was like you know what it's fine i don't know i still respected whack because you know we got to talk to him he was in columbia at the time and i was talking to him and to me me personally like whack 100 is a big name i was like that's cool he used to post me a lot then when that happened he was like if you don't take this video down i'm gonna block you and i'm gonna embarrass you so i didn't do it and he's kind of like made a dumb post about me and i was like it's whatever bro like i'm sorry that i lost a cool person but like you guys are big names to me i feel like i'm a small name in this genre on this youtube yard and like i'm trying to aspire to be bigger so he does all he does and i didn't really care and i told dj vlad about i was like yeah man this fool tried to make a take down the video this is what it was said and then like months later i see him on dj vlad and like i said i watched dj vlad's interviews and i look at it and he's i hear whack 100 said i just started laughing i was like i should just say it but i'm so humble and so positive now where I was like I don't want the smoke I don't want the beef with him fine I let him say and I just let it be and I never made a video about it I just I knew when coming here I was like that's gonna come up I'm gonna say that because you know I even though I didn't I don't need the credit I felt like I still deserve it because I got so much hate and criticism from that video only for somebody else to reveal it and they didn't get the hate and criticism on themselves I was like well what made me so different yeah like everybody thought I was lying and I fabricated that story but I had the receipts yeah dude just came out said like hey my sources and that he was believable more than me yeah it was a trip though but that's pretty much what happened i think dude just wigged out so as far as you know tory lanes is still in that same prison after getting stabbed by this guy or not to be honest with you i didn't look into it after that i kind of like just moved on from the subject matter because i was like bro like i was just doing a good deed just telling everybody what really happened like yes prison is scandalous of course a dude's gonna assume like it's tory lanes here he can knock anybody's old lady probably Of course, in your cell, you're going to panic and be like, man, maybe my old lady's talking to him.

2:40:59Maybe he got the number because I left it. It's on the call log. That's all that dude did was just wig out. I don't even think his girl really did it because she was genuinely talking to a friend. Like, man, I did nothing with that phone. I didn't talk to them. So I was talking to a friend and two homies that knew her. So I don't think anything went about it other than that fool just spazzing out. He just crashed out and, look, he got his fame. Because it is hard to imagine, like, this girl's dating this other dude in prison. And it's like, what involvement are you going to have with Tori Lane?

2:41:27Like, even you talking to her for a couple minutes would be some crazy shit. Like, the idea that, like, she was actually really had something going on with Tori Lane is, like, kind of hard to buy. And then he's, whoever he was talking to, because I think he was talking to multiple girls because another girl got at me. I was trying to look at the text message last night. And they were like, hey, they tried to charge me for the interview for him. He was like looking for somebody to pay him like thousands and thousands of dollars to interview so he can tell his version of what really happened. I was like, man, I ain't paying that for crap.

2:41:57For one, what his charges are makes him a weirdo because he was messing with an underage girl. Two, I don't really care about the story like that. I just did it because I got the information. I go, three, I ain't paying you crap. I go, so I got the information that I know from his girl to him on that tablet that tells me the story. So I don't need his version. And then they just stopped talking to me. So they were like trying to get it for a money bag. I get it. And I was like, well, let him tell his version, even if he tries to say it in a different way, that it wasn't the way I did it. I was the first one to really relinquish that information.

2:42:25And I just left it alone. I just did a video and went about my dad and I was going to go viral that bad. But it went viral, like half a million views on TikTok alone. Then when I seen DJ Academics pose me, I was like, ah, hell, you're going to post about him? That's cool. Then my face went on Worldstar and I was like, I'm making it, bro. I'm on the next level now. None of that benefited me at all. Yeah, that's the crazy thing is I feel like, you know, there was a youtube channel called drama alert that was all like youtube channel youtube drama and stuff i remember the first time i made it on that shit i got like a hundred thousand extra views on the video that they were talking about like maybe it had 100k or 200k all of a sudden we got 300 400k and i just couldn't believe it i feel like now in the clip era it's like everything just gets clipped and nobody goes back to the original shit like i know people who've had clips from their podcast go so unbelievably viral where it's like on every platform no increase in the viewers on their shit at all like it's crazy it didn't benefit me so i was like even today i was thinking to myself i was like man i'm going to no jumper man i asked you like what a year and a half ago on that messages i was like i wonder if it's gonna help me out if it's if it's that next level if this is what i need i debated it because you know i've been this person that nobody wants to interview i've reached out to so many podcasts and they're like nah too much drama your baggage and i'm like i get it i understand and then i just sit here and tell myself like what moves do i need to make in order to reach the next level because if not i'm gonna remain stagnant remain this same youtuber and it's at this point it's gonna be like bro i'm not going nowhere with this so i might as well just quit that's that's been my biggest problem too when it comes to social media the social media areas like nobody wants to interview me nobody wants me around nobody wants to bring around or nobody takes me serious and i'm like bro i take my crap so serious that i got like 45 videos done for the next month and a half of content for people and i still keep going like just trying to figure out ways to you know get to that next level but as you if you look me up bro i got more videos about me talking shit about me then there are people watch those before they watch my channel so that's been my biggest little railroad real quick yeah i feel like all that is just temporary like as you kind of break out of the smaller youtube scene i feel like that shit just matters less and less you know um okay but i feel like i first really paid attention to you because you were the first person to really post about what happened to suede which uh was like very useful at the time because like you know we all knew suede and we all knew something happened to him in prison we heard all these rumors and shit but it wasn't like we really knew and then you kind of came out and aired out the whole situation so So was that a huge moment for you?

2:45:03And how did you actually find out about the circumstances in which he passed? I had talked about it a few times, just like any other content creator. But then it was one dude that had a cell phone, and he had his family reach out to me. So when I contacted him on a cell phone, he was in that facility when it happened, and he witnessed it. So he tells me everything that he witnessed. And sometimes it's hard to prove the credibility. So sometimes I got to take that risk and throw it out there. and if it's false and I find out it's false I take the video down and I apologize to my audience members well this one didn't come out to be false because somebody that works California CDCR was like here this is what happened so I get the pictures of him in the shower and I'm like I didn't want to see that dude I never listened to Money Science Suede I've never followed him I didn't really pay attention to his music but it was a good enough video to where I was like you know what that's kind of messed up like I felt bad once you seen the pictures I was like man that's damn but I was already on that road where I was talking down on gangs so I was like I'm gonna turn this into something even stronger so I did my dirt and it took me months of months and months of finding out the names who got involved what happened what the camera showed I just had to reach into a lot of people in that facility and I had to remain low-key with my sources and keep them all private but I got to I got to read the report of the investigation and what it says and who's being accused who's under investigation what big homie made the call and i ran with it and dude you don't know how many of his family reached out to me like thank you for speaking up and i'm not doing it for no cloud i'm not doing it for to get the fame but i'm like bro i want these fools busted because look it could have happened to swifty too and i spoke up on that i don't even know these guys like that it's the simple fact that i was talking out of these gangs if i can get these gangs busted for what they did as money sans sway then that's a win for me because the wins will come after that the fact is they killed this kid for no reason and this was a young mexicano kid that was going places bro you guys didn't have that right to take that kid's life i feel like he had probably like the most potential to be a nationwide well-known rapper out of la from the mexican side of shit the whole time i've been doing this podcast like he made better music than almost anybody else i've seen come out of that scene yeah i think he did after lifting Because like I said, once I did the video, I listened to his music a little bit and I went down this little rabbit hole of his.

2:47:22And I was like, dude, this kid had potential. Signed to millions already and he didn't get to enjoy that life because some old man in prison wanted to tax him and punk him and send him on missions when he only had two years to do. Beating him up in a cell when he was on a top bunk. Like, dude, that was wrong. And then for them to lure him into a top-tier shower where there's no cameras and just take his life. Like, they didn't think about his mom. They didn't think about his fans. They didn't think about nobody. so like for some reason that video got me passionate to where I was like man I'm gonna reach out and it took me months of contacting people contacting people in the pen with cell phones that were there and you'll be surprised how many active gang members on that yard were like well that was wrong and were giving me information and I was just jotting it down putting it together and then I finally got the names of the people investigated and the Mexican mafia dude that was responsible since then that Mexican mafia member hasn't flexed his muscle like I've got word like man that fool was quiet as a bird like he doesn't get out of his bunk he just he's he at first they were scared of him he used to punk the cops but now he's like upstanding inmate because of that video and I'm just trying to encourage people like man look let's get these fools for that and just bust them because they killed the kid for no reason that did not deserve to die why just because he was a popular rapper but the Southsiders been known to take out popular rappers that's why I was like man you know I'm gonna just go hard in the pain on this i don't care if it makes me look like a rat in a snitch oh man you got three dudes busted and a mexican moffitt busted because you got all this inside information to bust them for killing money science sweat i'm like nah bro i did what i was supposed to do because i was capable of doing it and i'm pretty sure i made a lot of people happy including this family that people are going to see justice for it and that's still my goal i don't care how people look at me it's just i ran into that point where like they don't have enough evidence to charge them they just know who was involved but one of those dudes that did it I know he flipped his name was baby from 38th Street he flipped and that's all they told me they were like no he's he rides in the van by himself he's escorted by cops they're under the assumption that he might be telling but I don't see no arrest and no case being pending so I'm like really I did everything that I could to bring that kid justice and it didn't work I feel like that kind of thing is important because people hear you know gangster and they just think oh like being gangster is cool is And it's like, when you hear a story like that and you realize how depraved this shit is and how fucked up it is, it's just like, you know, people need to know that shit before they, like, devote their life to it.

2:49:46Like, you know, a lot of these stories, like, they're depending on people not talking about it. They're depending on it not becoming transparent. And it's just like, you know, people need to know, like, what they're getting into if they want to be a gang member. And they didn't think for one second somebody like me that was a regular YouTuber is from Northern California who doesn't know nothing about Southside Pox and to get that much information on it. I did what I had to do. And like I said, a lot of people look at me like as a big YouTube rat for it. I'm like, I don't care what you guys say because at the end of the day, all my sources are resourceful, good intel.

2:50:18You guys watch it. You guys are just mad that I'm saying it. And if anything happens with the Money Science Wade case and I get blamed for it, like, oh, man, you got these dudes busting. I'm like, I don't even care, bro. That kid did not deserve to die in jail over prison politics, bro. That's what's really happening. That was on a big scale. But let's not forget about the small scale where all these dudes that just have lives and have a date or can't come home or have families are getting killed in the same fashion. That's why I do what I do. Yeah, because I was having a conversation with another rapper the other day, and we were talking about some YouTuber that made a video about him.

2:50:52It's this guy, Tunchy5 from the Rolling Hundreds. and basically like there's multiple youtube videos out there that are basically just talking about what a shooter he was and all this crazy work that he put in etc etc and when i read him some of the quotes that people have said about him in youtube videos because he claimed that he never watched them it was just kind of hard to believe but he said he never watched this i'm reading him the the quotes about how he was known for drive-bys instead of walk downs and all this shit and he was just like bro see like what's wrong with these youtubers like they're gonna get somebody locked up doing that shit and i'm like yeah but you gotta understand that their mentality is that they don't give a if they get somebody locked up because their mentality is a if you left enough evidence somehow or you spoke about it or you did anything then you basically were like you you know if i have enough information to report on then it's your fault and if i get somebody locked up who was committing violent crimes then like who cares like that's for the betterment of society right yeah so do you do you look at it like that as well and like was it kind of hard for you to get into that mentality of like well the best case scenario here realistically is like somebody getting in like serious trouble for the shit yeah sometimes i look at it like that but most of the cases that i've talked about are already cases that were closed except like the money science weight and a couple other ones but like that doesn't bother anymore because i don't i don't think with a gang mentality anymore like i'm just a regular citizen that's doing content that's doing his job, that's doing a civic duty of teaching kids not to join gangs, what it looks like.

2:52:24They get busted for it. That's their own stupidity because I got busted for my own stupidity. So I really, like I said, I've already been known for that just by relinquishing too much information about prison stuff. So what difference is it going to make if somebody does get busted? If anything, a murder guy happened and I was capable of solving it, then I'm a goddamn good investigator. And I deserve to work for a bigger agency. I'm just a content creator who can dig dirt. But the thing about me is different from everybody is that people really tap in because I make myself accessible. I don't ignore nobody because I'm renegade.

2:52:55I don't disacknowledge people. They give me information. They tap in. All these active gamers, hey, bro, I got some info for you. I'm like, yeah, what is it? And then if I see another person said the same thing, I'm like, okay, that's the same goddamn story. Okay, we're good. And I run with it, and it works. And I haven't thought that far. What if I'm getting people busted? Because most of the cases I've talked about, dudes are already busted. and haven't really talked about an open case. I think there was one or two occasions, but I just showed how all the gangs really operated and how somebody got killed.

2:53:23Nobody got busted for what I've done and what I've said. It'd be crazy if I did because I'm like, bro, if I'm that good, maybe I should have been a detective because I just sit on my desk on my phone thousands of miles away from California, and I can do that. That'll just tell me my potential is crazy, and then I need to start exploring a little bit more options. But I can't let it bother me. like my content has became that good because nothing really bothers me other than now I'm just telling cool stories for sure so how do you feel looking at somebody like Swifty who kind of similar to the Suede situation you know he had a an order out there to take care of him and he somehow managed to avoid it but he's still kind of playing both sides of the fence because he like when he did interview with me he's not really like giving up any kind of information about it even though he's apparently green lit like he's kind of trying to I guess hopefully potentially be back in some people's good graces at some point maybe.

2:54:16Yeah, I don't know what that man is up to. Like I've had different mixed signals with that individual. And I think me and him both know what I'm talking about. But other than that, when it came to his situation, dude, I was the first one to pull out his paperwork. And that was hard as hell to do. But I got it from people that were like there was people involved in that case that had posted bail. So I was able to get the information like that. So I read the paperwork because in my head, I'm like, bro, I don't really know the dude like that. But I've done so many videos about how he got greenlit.

2:54:47That guy got like 217 ,000 views. I was like, bro, I don't want to see another dead rapper. If I can speak up for this fool, even if this fool's not going to really care or acknowledge anything between me and him, at least I do a good deed. So I read the paperwork because I was like, let me see if he told. He didn't tell. So I posted it purposely so all these other bloggers can stop dragging this fool's name in the mud. because no matter what that fool does, whether it's good or bad, they're going to drag his name through the mud. So I did it on a sole basis. Like, I don't want to see another dead rapper.

2:55:15And we all make blogs making fun of the dude because he's dead over some Mexican mafia fools. But there's so much more deep than that. But since he wants to portray himself to continuously be good, standings, and active, then I really can't relinquish any other information other than the other day when he was disrespecting Jenny 6ix9ine. I was like, bro, do you really want to go there and be that kind of person and disrespect women now? and it's funny because he went live with her and denied it and cleared it up but i was like bro you know and as well as i know there's more to that story the only version i gave to youtube was that you didn't tell so people don't stop so people don't really call you a snitch and try to kill you and that's all i really did because like i said i don't expect nothing from him i don't want nothing from him i can get where i need to go by myself but i'll acknowledge that i did a good thing for you to make sure that they clear your name even though he's gonna say he cleared it on his own way bro I made sure everybody publicly knew that you didn't tell but that you did get stabbed and that you do got some type of green light and then I brought up the Mexican mafia names who were involved and I brought up the reasons why he's getting green light it's just a scandalous individual hating on Swifty that got put in a bad predicament because he wanted to be with the wrong crowd extract yourself from that crowd and go chase your music career but he's back online trying to be this hardcore gang member that's in good standings I'm like bro there's only There's so much I could do for you.

2:56:29I did that out of the kindness in my heart. It didn't benefit me or you because you just went back being to the same person. So if it happens again, like, well, what am I supposed to do for you? All I didn't want to do is want, I didn't want like a snitch jacket put on him. I was like, Russ Scalish, bro. Like you guys are just jumping to all kinds of conclusions because you want so much dirt on this dude. He didn't snitch. Yeah. But whatever happened, why he got blasted for and how these fools incriminated themselves, These fools snitched on themselves through that whole paperwork. They were telling on each other.

2:56:59And then the streets took it like, well, it's because of Swifty. I'm like, bro, that's how gangs really work, man. Like, you don't have to tell. They just want to tell everybody you told and everybody's going to believe it. And before I even did that video, I seen everybody already accusing him. Oh, bro, he's probably telling. He probably told. And I was like, nah, we'll see. Grab the paperwork. I was like, he didn't tell. And it was a dead issue after that. But he's going to be who he wants to be. And if he continues to want to be around that same lifestyle, I was like, man, nobody's gonna save you but you you're gonna have to save yourself in that situation yeah i just wanted to make sure he wasn't able to snitch that was all yeah that that uh day that i went to his hood filming a vlog and then they firebombed the restaurant that we went to the next day that or that night that was like one of the craziest moments for me of just realizing like oh so real shit can happen from this content like they went to that spot they saw us there on social media and they went firebomb that shit that night that's crazy like i i kind of couldn't believe it and that's what he's bringing and that's what he wants to be around his persona on social media is he still wants to be this active game remember like bro they tagged up your mom's house they dropped your mom's location they went to your mom's location it says it in the paperwork they pulled up to your mom's house while you were there they just didn't do nothing like it's it gets close like i played that game too where they got close but no cigar and i stopped playing that game like i don't let nobody know i'm here until i'm gone he wants to be famously known as Swifty Blue that's the untouchable I'm like bro this gang world they'll kill people in their hood they ain't gonna go out like fly three states over to get me but they'll kill people in an immediate area and you're gonna put yourself in an immediate area where they want you dead you only got yourself to blame at the end of the day I'm just gonna be the blogger I'm gonna be like well I tried to tell you bud and I tried to clear it for you but that lifestyle is more important than you than just chasing your dreams so I'll let them have it okay so I just got a couple more questions I feel like we need to dig into maybe you could settle this for everybody out there are Mexicans allowed to snitch on blacks in prison no but I will say this Just to kill the noise on all that, because I'm going to be strong about that opinion, bro.

2:59:11Everybody tells on everybody. That's plain and simple. That's one of the biggest strategic moves that people make when they don't really want to stir the pot up. I've had blacks drop kites on me before. It was a black from either Swans or Denver Lane. They were on the bottom tier. He dropped the kite on me, but we caught it before the cop got it, and we gave it to him, and they beat him up. he says he accidentally just dropped it out of his sock but he just happened to be by the cops when we found it but you'll see a lot of inmates like they'll hand they'll just drop kites just to try to stir the pot up and you'll never know who the sources really are if it's it's forbidden though that i heard that i heard that narrative southsiders tell on blacks all the time but they can't tell on their own i've never seen it but i wasn't the southsider no bro the perception that outsiders need to have is, bro, they're deep.

2:59:59Why do they need to tell? They can go to war and send 30 of their homeboys on you guys, and they can all go to the hole, and they're still going to be the biggest on the yard. They don't need to tell on you if they want to get rid of you. That is just a crazy narrative that I've seen, and one time I reacted to it, and I thought that was so stupid. But nobody's allowed to tell. It's just telling happens all the time. Most of the time it's just gang members telling on their own people and telling on their rivals every now and then. but you'll never know who the source of the snitch was unless the cops give you your 1030 or your or your 812 right and even then they want they black the names out so you'll never know who told on you you just get this uh 1030 in the mail like yeah you got told on for this you got a point and a couple of points take you to the hole but now i've heard that narrative so many times bro and it's not it's not true bro soudsiders they probably the most ruthless group of gang in the penal system they ain't got no reason to tell they could just slaughter you plain and simple They're that deep.

3:00:54They can afford the numbers. So there's a lot of telling happening, generally speaking. Well, okay, would it be fair to say that solid-siders are more likely to tell on blacks outside their race than on their own? No, they'll tell on their own before they tell on another race. Because there's really no interaction with other races to tell. Like the black told on me because of what we were doing. We were running a drug transaction. And for some reason, he was benefiting from it. So I don't know why he was telling me. I think he felt like we were pressuring him to bring it in, which wasn't the case.

3:01:27So he just dropped the kite on the ground. But that's pretty much what they do. Actually, Southside is telling each other more than anybody. They drop kites on each other left and right. Sometimes if they want to get rid of their leadership, they can tell on their own leadership, drop a kite on them, their leadership gets snatched up. And now this car from IE takes over the building or takes over the yard. Or if not, they'll just go to war with each other. but they'll tell on each other more than they'll tell on another group segment because there's not that many interactions other than drug sales.

3:01:55And now all a black guy has to do is say, hey, your homie owes me money, he hasn't paid me, and the Southside is going to kill him. All that telling stuff, no. The gangs and administration know more about the gangs because of them snitching on their own gang. That's it. That's the biggest snitching that happens. Interesting. Okay. From your perspective, do you think that the n-word is a good thing or a bad thing for the rasa movement and culture in general we got a dude moose man who comes on the podcast pretty frequently he's from sacramento and he was saying that he feels like that kind of holds back a lot of mexican rappers because the the people aren't aren't going to accept a mexican who says the n-word all the time six nine comes to mind right away as somebody who's like well they didn't care when he was doing it but do you think that that's like something that generally speaking mexicans should be trying to like encourage other mexicans not to make part of the vocabulary well me being from northern california i said it a lot even when i started youtube and started rapping in the beginning i said it a lot i just stopped because it just sounds so ridiculous now coming from because dude i used to see southsiders say it a lot and it's funny though because on the yards the blacks did not care what northerners say because of our black and brown communities up north when we say it a different way with a different stilo but when you hear a south sider say in the yard i was like bro that shit sounds forced bro like you don't even even know a black person like it sounds really like like borderline racist like you like i was that an arr bro you feel like they just say it differently like a little bit more antagonistically it doesn't roll off the same way as northerners so i think it that was better be that's what made it more embarrassing to see mexicans but now that i've gotten older it's like bro just talk normal i think it is detrimental because that's why when i rap now i don't say it i don't even try to cuss in my raps most of the time i just rap regular the n word saying it repeatedly like the n word i think most of the time is it's the fill in the blanks of a verse yeah especially for the black culture and it sounds cool because that's what they are and that's what they that's how they identify themselves and they can use that word very effectively and it sounds good in the rap lyric but hearing a mexican say it bro it's like now that i've listened to more mexican rappers i'm like bro that's now you just sound watered down you sound like you're trying to be somebody else if you don't have the potential to write your own raps and sound like you and other than somebody else then you ain't got the potential to be rapping i think it is detrimental but now i just see more mexicans say it way more times than a black man would i'm like bro how did it how did the roles reverse because for a long time i used to see like mexicans especially southerners like thought it was wrong to talk like that and made fun of blacks in prison for talking like that and then now we got a culture where more mexicans say it than even blacks i don't even think blacks want to say it that much it just kind of looks embarrassing and i'm kind of glad i grew out of that point in my life where i don't use the n-word no more it's just really just a bad look to me personally but sometimes you hear some rappers and you're like that boy that boy got it even though he said the n-word like five times in that one paragraph and 16 bars he said it eight times i mean it's not a good i like was around mostly like Puerto Rican people and Dominican people on the East coast for like most of my younger years.

3:05:06And honestly, that's not something that I even really thought about until I got way older, because I feel like almost every Hispanic person I've been around in my whole life has said it, at least, you know, the ones who did, we didn't really think twice about it. Then I moved to New York, every white kid, every Hispanic kid, every person that was around at that time was just like saying it all the time. But then like, once I'm like out here and I start to like understand the like Mexican identity as being separate from the whole, just like people of color type thing. Like when I'm listening to somebody like Bozo explaining how like, you know, he's proud of his culture and he sees it almost as like a betrayal of his culture to be using somebody else's slang that is so directly linked to their culture and their experience that he sees it as just like, just not cool.

3:05:55And like, now I kind of, I'll never judge somebody for saying it because it's not my business, but I definitely like, if I was Mexican I feel like I would not say it just because it seems like it's borrowing something that is so inherently black that it's just like it's just kind of uncool like it would be cooler for you to have your own slang that is more directly aligned with your own ethnicity yeah like if you hear like Tito Rana's rap in Spanish sounds awesome yeah it's cool and then you hear him with the n-word and you're like why like they you were you were just gassing right now you were cooking right now why I just think they use it way too much.

3:06:34Now, if you did it the same way they do it and it sounds cool and it flows nice, I wouldn't have paid attention to it. But it's like every other word. Most of the time now, if you see a post by them, it's like dead homies this, dead homies that. They said dead homies 10 times, the N word 8 times, but they only said like two sentences. I'm like, well, like, expand your vocabulary. The Mexican culture and the black culture and my lifestyle, like, we've always had commonalities, common interests come from same heritage and backgrounds we've embraced each other and multiculturalism there's we we share the same thing so let's not view each other any different that word and the way it's being used by mexicans is going to draw that distinguishing line again when we've already came so far because now you're starting to see a lot more blacks like bro this sounds stupid and you're using this word like repetitively it's just it's a bad look on the culture now if you're gonna say it and black people accept it then fine but now just every other word like you forgot the english language bro there's like a variety of words you could be using and they use that to me it just sounds really watered down and i just think it's now it's starting to sound more embarrassing i wouldn't even watch a video if i hear a mexican kid saying the n-word like 10 times like even if it's a viral video i'm like bro i'm enough already but that's because i've grown out of it though yeah now the older you get the kind of more mature you get i mean it's interesting that like arguably the biggest mexican rapper from la over the last 10 years or maybe ever is like oh jeezzy who is somebody who is mexican but basically like clearly affiliates with black culture more doesn't really have any cholo style to him you know i feel like you if you were to replace him with a black guy all his clothes and stuff would just like align with that culture more directly and stuff like but it kind of says a lot that he's arguably become like one of the biggest in that space like because he's black coated the most him he's like he doesn't care about that he's already been accepted in his fan base where he can do that some of these dudes ain't to that level yet where now we're just it's you're under a microscopic lens where we pay more attention to it and it's not it's not you're not not everybody's gonna win like that he won like that swifty can get away with it not everybody's gonna get away with it but everybody's trying to now and now it's now you just hear the biggest argument well rap's supposed to be black cultures.

3:08:49Mexicans should be rapping mariachi. Like, no, we're going to do whatever the hell we want because it's America. But let's do it in our own lane. We could be so much bigger if we did it our way in our lane as a representation of our people with the English language, rapping and a style of black without having to use that word. Some people have acceptances, but not everybody's going to be accepting. I think everybody's just blind to that. They really think that they can get away with it. I stopped using it because my audience was like bro you sound ignorant i'm like you know what you're right i listen to my videos i even listen to my own music i'm like bro that's trash i said the n-word like four times and four bars and i got rid of it what's your attitude on music at this point it's just like a fun little hobby to do from time to time if you really want got something to say or what i just like uh my first song i really blew up was rabbit season because i was disrespecting northerners and that video got like almost 100 000 views on that music video but i had too much guns in it so i was like whoa I need to stop.

3:09:43I'm doing it for my cousin. He got killed by my homies from my hood. May he rest in peace. That's why I screamed One Life, One Chance out loud because that was his last tattoo. Me and our memories together, we were always bumping like Fody, Be Legit back in the day, Master P. He loved music. So I just wanted to do it to keep his name alive. I wasn't worried about going viral, making music and collabing. I just did songs about him. I have a catalog of One Life, One Chance about him. And now I just do it for fun. Like I said, I don't drink. I don't go to bars. I don't meet girls. I don't party. I ain't never been to a strip club.

3:10:18So to me, I'm like, well, I needed something to do other side from YouTube. So I like to rap just to mess around. I have the money to pay for a feature if I wanted one, but I just kind of like I said, I didn't take that part of the craft seriously. I was just like, it's fun. It's something I could do. It's something to express myself. I've gotten a couple hundred people listen to me on Spotify, and I was like, that's cool. I may not have tens of thousands lefty and all that, but I know I got bars. I just don't sound like these guys. Everybody wants to sound like EBKJ, Bo. Everybody's talking about murdering.

3:10:49No, my bars are a little bit different. I'm a 90s baby. I grew up off RBL, Posse. I grew up off E42 short. I grew up off that style. One of my favorite rappers is Holotip, Looney Coelho, people from SAC. So I just keep it right there. I'm a 90s baby, so I'm going to represent it the 90s way. Not the N words and all that, just strictly just music. I just do it for fun. But if a big name was to come up and I have the money for it, I wouldn't mind doing it. I got the money to do it. I got the ability to do it. I just haven't took that part seriously. What's a feature you could imagine yourself doing that would be ideal from your perspective and you think that they might actually be down?

3:11:27Wow. I haven't met nobody that would be down. Yeah. Maybe putting themselves in some shit for sure. Yeah, dude. like, man, I would have did a collab with Swift. Like, hey, bro, let's kill the internet, bro. That would piss me off. There you go. I would collab with Jenny 6ix9ine because she's bad as hell. She ain't going to do it. People from California, they will not mess with me on that level. So I was like, man, I might as well just take my music to Texas or something where, you know, rapping is still rapping. But a lot of these California people that I would collab with, they just wouldn't do it.

3:11:56And I got the money to pay for it. I can market it my damn self. I got the money to back up the marketing. Never came up. So in my head, I'm like, I got my back against the wall. So it's me versus everybody now at this point. They ain't nobody trying to collab. But those would be the cool artists I would have done it with, like no problem. They're just in a different lifestyle. And I'm viewed a certain way from that lifestyle where I'm like, I'm on the back burner, which makes me even try harder. So I still buy my beats. I still work on my lyrics. I just drop music less and less. But if you hear Renegade 3, that was one of my best songs I ever did, disrespecting a lot of people in that video, in that song.

3:12:30a lot of subliminals in there too but a lot of people love that song so i know i have the capability to match and compete with some of them but it's just me against the world so i just look at it like there's no point in me reaching out to nobody they reach out to me i got no problem i'm open-minded to anybody they just ain't gonna do it so why why why should i make the effort no i feel it yeah you're making me feel like i gotta start rapping more i really forgot about it i've made a couple songs and totally forgot but it's fun as shit and there is that like weird thing in your head like if i do this a lot like i wonder could i get really good at it like could i get a lot better than i am right now my best song was a diss track and like i said it got a hundred thousand views before i took that video down that's one of my biggest streaming songs like 30 some thousand streams on spotify was rabbit season if i if i went that route and disrespected like you know lefty which he doesn't he doesn't deserve it you would get the traction yeah i just don't want that it's like i don't want no smoke with nobody i'm just trying to make money and try to go places that's all i want to do i want to make money on everybody but nobody wants to make money with everybody everybody wants to step on everybody yeah so i just do it for fun i just bought a beat today i'm gonna go work on it there was a part that i was gonna i was writing a verse and there was a part i was gonna drop a line on swift he just said show him a little something but i was like nah i'm gonna just be the bigger man just let him i'm gonna let that one go he knows and i know that's all that's all i can say about him for sure so i like my last question how did you see how did you feel when you saw jenny 69 with blue face uh and she was i was gonna come up she was 20 shots deep giving him a live dance a lot of people were pretty uh titillated by this yeah um you can look on my instagram people are gonna hate me for this but like i don't perceive her like everybody else does like immediately in the comments everybody's like man she's a 304 she's go some dude to dude i'm like bro have you ever seen her on figure over street selling it if you haven't you just make the accusation because she looks good the way she dresses she was in a relationship for 10 years i think you know up until very very recently exactly and everybody like i've never heard lefty say that they did what they did all these crazy oh he did though he said it on stage and she was furious she got super mad about it never seen it um but i'm not gonna be blinded to it to me she just looks like a girl that's she's a little bit ahead of everybody because of her beauty her her physique and her hustle like she gots the million views She gots a million followers.

3:14:49She gots all that. I don't see nothing wrong with what she did. Hypothetically, if she was sleeping with everybody, which I'm not saying, Marilyn Monroe didn't look like she's an American icon. If you got to do what you got to do in this industry because of how corrupt it is and how perverted it can be, I don't judge her for none of that. As long as she gets to where she's going, that was her decision. That's her body and that's her choice. What I didn't like is everybody just quick to assume stuff. And to me, I did a video and I said, look, for all you guys got mad because she started messing with some black dude.

3:15:20Y 'all didn't have a problem with her. Anytime that homegirl goes live or picks a booger or trips and falls, you guys post about it and make money off her. But the moment she sat on his lap, all y 'all decided to be mad and be hateful towards it. That's not my problem. I don't have no problem with a black messing with a Mexican or a Mexican messing with a black or a black with a white. That does not concern me because I mess with all ethnicities. I was just calling bull crap on everybody because I just woke up and everybody was just on her. It just kept coming up on my feet. And I was like, what the hell is going on?

3:15:49What did I miss? Yeah. And then I seen the bathroom thing. I'm like, bro, so what? Like, whatever she had to do to get there, that's on her now. Now, if she takes it as a win and she goes places from there, bro, like, you got to give her her credit. Because I would do a lot of things to get to certain places in life, but, you know, nobody gives me those opportunities. A lot of people that got mad didn't get to. Look what Siphy said. He goes, I'm just mad you didn't take me with you. But yet the day before when I made that video dissing you like, hey, bro, you sure you want to go that route on just disrespecting everybody?

3:16:16I was like, bro, he said the same thing. You didn't take me with you. But then the day before that, oh, man, I slept with I already had that. She for the streets. Then went on live and kissed her butt. I'm like, bro, no, just keep it real. Like, either you did or you didn't. And that was the whole point I was trying to prove for her. Like, bro, y 'all just got mad because she sat on a black dude's lap. Like, how is that new? Do you think the average Mexican dude out there is more bothered by her sitting on a black dude's lap than they would like to admit? Like, I felt like racism is just considered ugly to the point where people won't really do it.

3:16:48But I feel like that's like the underlying emotion that a lot of these dudes are kind of feeling, right? I say a lot. Yeah. But it's like I said, only from personal experiences. Because even people wearing my DMs are like, hey, how are you defending this girl? and they'll say like the m-word maya you know and i'm like i'll block them like bro i ain't trying to hear that talk bro i said what i said and i stand by what i said she can do whatever she wants because that's her choice her life a lot of people have that perception a lot of mexican families were brought up on that kind of racism form they didn't like it my grandma didn't like it i had brought a black girl home when i was like 13 and she had all kinds of derogatory things to say i mean i still hooked up with that black girl because she was a homegirl from my hood it comes from family it comes like it's passed down I say a lot of people thought that way they're just afraid to say it but that's why I did the video and was like hey bro I caught bull crap on all you fools you all just mashed you sat on a black dude's lap like that's not even cool like we're always talking about protecting each other and supporting each other but when our own people do something that we don't like all of a sudden it becomes a problem like y 'all supported her left and right I was like you know she was like the Mexican icon the Mexican singer for us she was a representation of us until that and then that's when I started reading all the comments.

3:17:56And I just defended her like, bro, she's more than welcome to do whatever she wants. And whoever she wants, who are we to dictate that? Because I guarantee you, every single fool that was talking smack about her, if she would let them hit, they would hit in a heartbeat. But because of now, she sat on a black dude's lap, it became a big problem. So I just pointed that aspect out to defend her, not knowing her, not asking for nothing. And that was it. But to me personally, I just think that's why everybody got mad. And I was like, I'll just show y 'all true colors, but without saying it. So I just said it like I'll say it for you since you guys don't want to say it.

3:18:27Yeah, it was weird because like I felt like I was defending her when we talked about it. But then she actually was like really, really mad at me. And like one of the things I said is like, I don't think she like I feel like if she them, it would probably come off differently. That there would just be something different. It would take a lot more for me to assume that that's what they were doing in this room at that moment. You know, it looked like they were filming content for social media. the one thing that I thought was like from her perspective was just kind of goofy was just the fact that she was like talking about taking 20 shots.

3:18:59Like I don't even really believe that because 20 shots is so much that I think she would probably be passed out on the ground if she took 20 shots. But like, you know, if you're a girl, like, all right, if you're a girl rapper and you're going to. There's women out here that can out drink men. So let's not. Yeah, it's possible. That just sounds crazy to me, especially like, bro, she don't look like she eats too much. She's like, like, she's pretty skinny. like she don't really i don't think she got enough room for 20 shots of tequila in her body but whatever it's like if you're a female and you're going to be going around a star rapper it's very very important for you to make it clear that you are in the rapper category the entertainer category and not the hoe category because we all know that blue face got bitches beating down his door trying to and that most big rappers do and i feel like jenny from a from a optics perspective if she wanted to do some content with blue face maybe you could sit on his lap a little bit but as soon as you're talking about taking 20 shots and shit you're starting to look like a little bit of a fangirl and i don't really blame the fans for assuming that she was a hoe in this situation i feel like she wasn't really being mindful enough about how this was gonna look but that being said like i also don't really think that she was just this dude but i do think she was acting a little bit too much like a hoe in this situation behavior says a lot yeah like i said like everybody's gonna make that assumption and i jump to the conclusions but like bro that's her life her body her choice however she gets there whatever she had to do to get there even if it was just hey let's make content because to me i look at it like bro he's a big face yeah she also is a big face even if that was just for content purposes look at how i got people talking and that's how easy it was for all of us to start talking.

3:20:40I've seen my brother do it. Like he can do that. He knows how to do like the art of insinuation to get people talking and get people going. I've seen YouTubers do it. I've seen Myron Gaines do that. That's just how I look at it. Like it was just a publicity stunt to get people talking and it did. It helps her numbers. It helps his numbers. If anything happened at like, you know, bedroom secrets, that's between them, you know. The thing though is that if she wants to like troll and do something to get attention and it also is like kind of making her look bad well you need to offset that with content like with getting people to actually listen to your song or whatever like if if if they did that that live and then the music video dropped two days later of them together then I'd be looking at like oh that's smart right there she just got all this attention on her and then dropped music to go along with it and that was basically the promotional rollout but it didn't really feel like that to me it actually felt like she was just a drunk woman who was really really impressed by being around a rapper.

3:21:37But, you know, hey, whatever she want to do. Yeah, I couldn't even pay her to pay attention to me, to be honest with you, because she's one of the baddest in California that I think that got it going. And that's what I said, too. I said, out of this whole Rasa scene, you tell me which girl's hotter than her that actually got some motion and clout or something that she's doing for herself. I mean, it's tough. Yeah, I mean, like hot physical, sexy-wise, you know, Bella the Rapper, she's cool. There's a girl from the 559 who has, she got a million views on on YouTube, but she doesn't have a big following like her.

3:22:07I think her name is Carla, 559. Look her up. She's beautiful, too. I'm just saying, for her as a big representation, she is. To me, that's all I see. I don't see all the extracurricular stuff people talk about. I'm just like, man, she's a beautiful girl, and I couldn't get the time of day. I couldn't get her to pay attention to collab or do a video, so I just defended her because I just felt like what Swiftie said was like, bro, why you gotta go that low? Just because you sat on the black dude's lap, all of a sudden you hate it. I'm like, bro, just keep that shit real and just say why you hating on her that's it that's all that that's the only reason i even spoke on that because i barely ever even i don't think i've ever mentioned her or talked about her other than that time and that's it for sure all right yo jay i appreciate you coming through it was great to have a conversation it's the longest one i did in a long time for it you're like three and a half hours or something right yeah three and a half yep shit appreciated that's a while yeah appreciate it though man for real and i think that you are as an atheist i feel comfortable saying i think You're doing the Lord's work by letting these kids know what they're in for if they decide to take on a life of gangbanging.

3:23:06Just putting the information out there is very beneficial. And if I had a 16-, 17-year-old son who was kind of on the cusp of maybe being in the streets or whatever, it would be great to be able to say, watch this dude's videos. He knows a lot more than you. Yeah, that's all I'm trying to do. But eventually I'm going to broaden my horizon. I'm just taking my time right now. The new year is going to be a new beginning. I'm going to figure it out. I got a month to figure out what I'm going to do. If not, I'm just going to walk away and be like, all right, I did my best I could. That's interesting that you're thinking of hanging it up before.

3:23:37Usually people get out of the content game because people stop paying attention, but you seem like you're kind of dead set on putting an end to it yourself when your time is right. I'm just waiting. I'm just trying to up the levels, bro. Like I don't want to sit here and just be – I've been doing this for three years in the same spot. Like this is a big opportunity for me being on No Jumper. Vlad might be a big opportunity. Like I'm looking for them doors to finally open. and they haven't opened yet. So I'm still working. But if I don't see them opening, I'm like, hey, I did my best, bro. People are going to remember me and I'm just going to go back to being just a regular Joe.

3:24:07My job pays good. So, you know, I wish the best. Hope God has a plan. That's it. Respect. Well, okay, Jay. Appreciate you, man. Thanks, bro. Much love. Appreciate it, man. Thanks. Check my guy out on YouTube. We'll put the link in the description. Nojumber, coolest podcast in the world. Check us on YouTube, TikTok, SoundCloud, Xer. We're not on SoundCloud anymore. I'm Brandon's gone.