Fleece Johnson on Becoming a Booty Warrior, Turning Men Out, The Boondocks & More

32:40And them white guys, they ran that prison. but they ain't never seen nothing like me when I came in her. And they had a land where blacks eat in this land, whites eat in this land. So I got in the black land. I said, there ain't that many people in this white land. So I went over. They said, man, don't do that. I said, man, you. I got in the land. Yeah, I did. And I got in the... I broke through the color land. That's exactly what I did. and blacks used to eat in the back of the kitchen. They eat in the middle and in the front. I set a tray down in the middle. Guy said, that's reserved. I said, yeah, for me.

33:24And I broke through all that. And so what really saved me in prison was, now, I'm getting through with all of this. And really, I ain't being tested, really tested. you know, like hands. You know, like anybody can whoop somebody with a weapon or a stick on them or stab them, but ain't nobody really testing my hands yet, right? Right. And so I started fighting the guards, and the guards in that prison was killing inmates. And they said if you cuss one of them guards, they would beat you to death. So I said, well, I'm going to do something worse than that. I'm gonna throw a five gallon bucket of shit on them and see what they do about that.

34:16And I, and I started doing that. And to my man, I don't know how it happened, but I changed that whole prison mind frame with a cup of shit. I'm serious. Were you the first person in that prison to start doing that kind of shit? Yeah. I'm the first one. okay so there's a new uh strategy that we've had like rico reckless is a rapper from chicago who kind of famously went viral for talking about this but they would call it the glock dookie where basically they would get like a water bottle fill it with shit and piss and then they would just keep it right there and if you tried to with them then they would be able to like spray you with it or you take you take that you walk down on somebody you say hey give me your noodles Give me whatever that you have that I want from you or else I'm about to hit you with this.

35:09And that's kind of a way that they do battle in there. Yeah. But here's something that they didn't know. I was so top of the line with this. If you take shit and piss and put it in a bottle and then put milk in it and screw the top on it, the plastic would expand. Eventually, it would explode. It would actually bust like a bomb. I wonder why. And because it firmates because of the duty mixed with the milk, the milk, the sour milk and the pea. It makes it firmate and it would explode. So I started making bombs. I said I tell a girl you gonna bring me some cigarettes in there cause they stopped smoking at the prison he said I can't do that I said well you be wearing this shit and uh and I would take one and they would bring it every time they would bring it because they didn't want to lose their job first of all yeah They didn't want to lose their job.

36:32And at the same time, they can't put their hands on me when I throw this on them. That was my advantage. All they got to do is write a report that he threw this on me. And I will put magic shave in her, which makes it really stink. And a broken glass. And the magic shave will make your hair fall out. So I had a psychological effect, and I'd take a broomstick and chop all the lumps out to make it real thick like a milkshake. So when I throw it on you and you rub, you're just smearing it on you, and the glass is going to cut you, you're going to think you got a disease. And then when your hair starts falling out, you're going to go through a mental thing.

37:19So I made about, in my 40 years, I made about 80 girls quit their jobs. Did it ever cross your mind just, holy, like, look at the kind of person that I've become? Not even the fault of your own. Like, these are survival mechanisms. But did you ever take a step back and just look at this and just think, like, look at what has become of my life? I did it many times, but I knew I had to continue. I'm in a situation, once that wheel gets to turning, like, I do something to you. And you're an officer. So you're going to come and do something back. And when you do something back, that's going to make me do something to you for what you did to me.

38:03And then the wheels just keep coming. And then you got inmates, you know, you got to fight because you got inmates that are done catering to the guards. They give inmates TVs, radio. So tell them you can have a TV, the radio, PlayStation, other little things. And these are not rights. These are privileges. So they can take them at any time. They can't take your rights, but they can take your privilege. So anytime inmates start getting real big, they'll tell the other inmates, we're going to take y 'all stuff if he don't calm down and try to make inmates fight each other, right? And them guys, they got time to do.

38:58They got forever. Some of them ain't never getting out, and they cherish what they can get, you know, that is good. But every time you put me on one of them walks, everybody said, oh, Lord, look who they just put on the walk. Police Johnson, please don't come on the walk and start no trial. I said, I'm going to do whatever I got to do, and y 'all do what y 'all gotta do. For sure. So, okay, how do you get from being 16 and this guy is trying to take advantage of you behind bars, you have to fight him off, you're horrified by the idea of this guy raping you. How do you go from that to the point where you actually start taking advantage of other men or dipping your toe in that?

39:43I'm going to tell you. It started when I went to Eddieville. the cell they put me in, back then they had double cells. They ain't got it no more, but I'll tell you about that later. But they put me in a cell with this big old black dude they call Big Doc. I'm talking about he was about like 6 '5", weighed about 285, solid, real dark. His nose was about the size of my fist. He had red eyes like a gorilla. And so I had a little pearl knife at that time. And when they put me in the cell with him, he was walking around, and he was wearing some shorts with a lot of holes in him, so every time he moved, his dick would pop out.

40:31The head of his dick would pop out through the hole. So, you know, I already know where he's going with this, right? So I said, I better say something. So I said, hey, man. See, what I didn't know, let me back it up. What I did know before I moved in that cell, he had a hole in the wall. Right. A hole. And what he did, he took a balloon thing and put baby powder in it, blowed it up to where it's about ready to bust and stuck it up in that hole, then took a newspaper and put some cement shit on it and went hard and he taped it over and then painted it. where you can't tell it's there. It looked like the wall.

41:17So he's going to make me think he ran his hand through the wall just to get some damn ass, right? I mean, that is such an insane level of plotting and planning to, like, create this, like, element that'll make it look like you're just the biggest psycho ever. Like, you could just punch through a wall just so you can then scare your cellmate. Like, what the f***? That's just... Man, he scared the s*** out of me. Right. I said, man, why don't you show me some respect? Right. He said, the only thing I'm going to show you is this big black cop. And he took and hit that wall. And when I seen his hand, and when I heard that boom, and his arm went up in her, and when he pulled it out and all that white shit on her, I'm thinking it's fragments of the cement or something.

42:05I didn't know it was baby powder. You're thinking he's got, like, superhuman strength. Man. And when he ran upon me, he's like, stand up. I said, hey, man, can we talk about this? He said, stand up, nigga. And I stood up, and I was holding his wrist. I said, man, don't do this. So he said, do I got to fight you? I said, no. And I'm going to give it to him. I'm going to give. I'm not letting nobody run their hand through my, like he did at Wall, right? But his mistake was it saved me.

42:46He tried to kiss me. I already felt his thing up against my booty and everything, but he pulled my head back and tried to stick his tongue in my mouth. And that was the nastiest feeling I ever felt in my life, and I almost agurgitated. I said, I said, hell no. And about that time, I realized that I hit that little prayer knife because I moved and it stuck me on the hip. I said, man, he's going to have to kill me. So he said, hold your head back. I said, man, no. And I pulled that knife, I just started swinging. And I was cutting him, man. I was cutting him. Here's what I believe. I believe he died.

43:29See, but like I was telling you about racism back in them days, And them guards, when they came to get me, I was standing there shaking, holding this knife. He's laying on the ground, cut the hair, blood everywhere. They pulled him out. They pulled him up out of there. They took me to the hole. And I'm thinking, I'm going to get a lot of time. But when I went in front of the disciplinary committee, they said, we know who he is. We know what he does. you'll never see him again. And they put me, let me out of the hole that day. They dropped all the charges. Now, when all the inmates heard about this, they like, oh, boy, that little young dude I brought, you don't want to mess with him.

44:20But they don't know. They don't know. I was right there. I was getting ready to give it to him. So why do you think he was dead? just because they said you're never going to see him again? Yeah, I never did see him again. And all the prisons in my state, I was sending letters to people. They said, no, nobody like that came to this prison. So I don't know what happened. That's crazy. I feel like nowadays you would just find out. You would hear about it. But I guess at that time, shit just got lost. Yeah. Yeah. They did a lot of secret stuff. Man, it was a lot of stuff that happened, like dungeons.

45:06Like torture-style. Yeah, they was hiring people to break me. They hired this man. He did 21 years into the military interrogation. He was a captain over the interrogation of the enemy. They hired this man to come in prison and break me. Got a Sam's Cafe pizza order up. You know the best part about this spicy Italian sausage? I voted for this topping. Yeah, just another perk of being a member. Come join us. Sam's Club. Vacation rental hosts can make or break a vacation. Luckily, Vrbo makes it easy to find the ones who make it stress-free. Verbo's Premier Hosts badge highlights vacation rental hosts with top-tier listings.

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46:14And they gave him a house across the street from the prison, and he put word out, Anytime I act up, ain't nobody to deal with him but me, but him. So he did waterboarding with me. But I tricked him on that because when I was in the hole, they gave me 12 years in the hole. Well, 27 years, I ended up doing 12. And ain't nobody ever had that type of, never did that type of time in that prison, in the hole. You spent 12 years alone. Yeah. Oh, my God. That's insane. And most of it naked. You know, fighting the guards, the guards coming through, take my food tray, say, please, here's your food. Boom.

47:03And just throw it through the bars like that. And I got to get off the floor and off the walls and stuff to eat it, right? I said, okay, I'm going to get you. And I always got them. I get back at them. So that's the type of fighting we were doing tonight. But what happened was I started winning. When I started throwing that duty on them, it scared them so bad, and they kept running to the lawmakers in Frankfurt. Can y 'all do something about this? They said, no, you work there at your own risk. For six years, I threw duty on them and had all the inmates to do it too. and I'm talking about all of them, nurses, doctors, guards.

47:49They brought people in from our state capitol building, corrections cabinet department. They come in wearing them suits and stuff and leave out covered in shit. I did all that. And when they made it a felony, that's when I stopped, you know. So, but by that time, man, I was controlling the prison at that time. I mean, it really says a lot that you can take men who have literally nothing. In some cases, they're naked, they're alone, and that they're still going to find some way to fight back, even if it's to take the only weapon that they have, which is the shit coming out of their own asses, and that will be how they fight back.

48:41Like, it's crazy that they couldn't kill your spirit enough to just make you just give in. You still were going to take the last possible resource you had and fight back with it. Well, the guy that they hired to break me, he died trying to break me. In the penitentiary, his heart busted. I said to myself, I said, you know what? Y 'all call him, tell him, man, I'm done. I was getting ready to give in. That man took me through some torturing stuff. And when they brought him, when he came over, he said, you want to see me? I said, yeah. I'll never forget it. He had a pack of nine-fifth of cannabis cigarettes.

49:24He took it out of his pocket, did like it. And when he lit it, his body buckled. And he left and went outside my door on the side of the wall. I said, oh, shit. Something is wrong with his heart. And when he came back around that corner, I said, I'm going to tell you something, man. If you don't leave me alone, I'm going to bust your heart. You'll die messing with me. And I spit in this place, and it was on. So we went through another big fight, and then three days later, they come through and said he died. he was dead. Okay, but so when you just told that story about that guy trying to trying to molest you and that you basically may or may not have killed him.

50:19When do you first take interest in another man and actually go about breaking another guy down? Break down that scenario. I was in a shower. Well, every time they bring sissies into prison, I was the one that would run my mouth to them. cuss them out, tell them they were dirty and nasty, that I hope God would take them and put them in bundles and burn them. All this stuff. And then they brought one in. He was, man, he was just like a woman. And he had a big old butt like Serena Williams. And he was real nice. He said, he said, can I talk to y 'all? I said, no, you can't say nothing to me, Faye.

51:00You know, all that, he said, what did I do to you? I said, shut up. And then one day I was in the shower by myself. I usually like taking showers when nobody's in. I don't want to go through all that old shit. What were you scared of in the shower? Everybody come in the seat. In the prison I was in, they had this thing called saltpeter. You ever heard of that? Saltpeter? Yeah. Yeah, what is that? I forget. It's supposed to be something you put in the food. is supposed to make it to where you can't get aroused. Right, right. But if you put too much, it'll have the reverse effect. Everybody's hard, right?

51:40Oh, wow. So they had sissies working in the kitchen, and they was deliberately putting more to get everybody hard and rocked up all the time, right? So every time you stand up, your shit is rocked up. So I'm in the shower, and this dude come in, this little gay dude. I didn't know he was in a, in a, I was washing my, I had a lot of hair then. I was washing my hair, and I heard somebody, and I turned around and looked. I seen him from the back, and that soap was going down his back and going through the crack of his, that big old bubble ass in here. I said, oh, God. And, and I'm hard, so I'm like, uh-uh.

52:25I said, I'm f***ing him. I said, he's scared of me already. So I said, I'm going to take this chance. So I went in the back of him. I said, hey. He said, yeah. I said, can I get some of that? He said, yeah. I said, if you tell somebody, I'm going to beat you to death. I said, I want you to know it. Anybody you tell, he said, I ain't going to say nothing. So that was the first time I ever come was in a man. And I almost blacked out, man. My whole body just went numb. I said, ooh, is this what it feels like? And so I wanted it again and again. Wait, but so was this guy gay? Yeah, he was already gay.

53:07Okay, so this didn't take any convincing on your part? No, no, he was already, he came in prison gay, and he just, he wanted to be respected, and there was a lot of people wanting him. They were trying to fight over him to get him. They was offering him like tens and twenties of thousands of dollars, and they had that type of money. To be their boyfriend? Yeah, see, when you think of prison, they had one guy in there that I protected, and he got 387 acres of land. He got over 150 heads of cattle. He got all that. He was never been in trouble, but came home one day and called his wife with another man and killed both of them.

53:55So they sent him to prison. You got a lot of people in prison that is filthy rich. They made a mistake where they killed somebody through some type of jealous relationship. But when they come to prison, they need somebody to protect them because they got a lot of money. And so, you know, people were trying to fight over him. But the third time I killed him, I got caught. Some dude caught me pulling out of him. And he was one of them candidates. I know he's going to run his mouth. So I might as well go on and fight him right now. And I popped him in the mouth. So when I came out of the hole, everybody was coming to me.

54:42They said, man, you in the game? I said, yeah, I'm in the game, and I don't care what y 'all think, right? But I didn't know nothing about sex, right? Right. Because this was your first time. Yeah, yeah. And that boy, he's still getting paranoid. So I was gambling one day, and he whispered in my ear and said, I want to tell you something. I said, what is it, baby? He said, I've been to the doctor. I said what's wrong he said I'm pregnant man I went nuts I actually thought that I got him pregnant right I didn't know nothing about sex right I said oh god damn I said look man somebody take my hand over I picked him up in my arm swung him around I said did they tell you if it's a boy or a girl he said no not yet and uh So it got so bad that the warden at the prison had me brought to his office.

55:48And I said, look, warden, I know I can't keep the child here at the prison, so I'm wondering if y 'all can put my child somewhere where I can get some visitational rights. And he just looked at me like saying he's sick, you know. and he had a therapist and this lady, she said, well, I want to talk to you, Mr. Johnson. I said, about what? She said, about your child. I said, what about my child? You don't have, I said, look, man, who's this bitch? And I'm ready to go off, right? And it took me, they had to take me through a whole bunch of mental stuff before I realized that he wasn't praying because he put something up on his T-shirt and made his belly big.

56:45And when I tried to touch it, he said, get away from me. Don't you touch it. You ain't got the right to touch this baby because you want to say you didn't want it. And you let everybody tell you I wasn't praying. But nigga, you looking at my stomach right now. What you think now? I cried everything, man. So he was just he was just on some crazy shit or was he just looking for attention? He wanted to be a woman so bad. Oh, wow. And he stayed that little scene right there. Well, it took me through a lot of mental stuff, but it didn't stop her. That's one of the craziest things I ever heard. Was there, okay, when you first had sex with this man in the showers, was there any part of you that just felt kind of disgusted by having had sex with a man, or was it just pure happiness?

57:39Yeah, that's the first time. Once you do it, the first thing is angle. you get anger at yourself you'll be like man I can't believe I am once you bust that nut a lot of times you feel different even with a woman yeah man I felt angry I felt like angry and then I kept thinking about how good it made me feel though you know I said I calmed in him man as shit I didn't know nothing about sex and stuff that you know I gotta take care of my wife and uh and I went nuts over him. Because were you masturbating in the lead up to this or not really? Man, I used to masturbate six, seven times a day. Every time I get angry, the only thing they can really calm me down was masturbation, right?

58:30Wow. You know, like they lock me up and I'm in a hole and when they leave my cell, I'm cussing, kiss my ass, y 'all. and then about 20 minutes later I'm jacking off you know getting all that anger and tension out of me it stayed in me man I had to jack off I got caught one time doing it yeah but the lady was showing me you know she worked in the guard tower and she opened the door and let me see her on the toilet and stuff and I stood up on the table, and I was slow jacking, and this sergeant was making rounds, and he walked in there. He said, you are out. And I jumped, fell off the table. My baby oil turned over.

59:23All that stuff was spilled all over me. I'm laying on the neck, and I had to get up. He said, you going to the hole. You are going to, oh, my God. so they walked me to the hole naked with baby oil all over me and I was still shooting, still coming out of me and uh

59:46that sounds so crazy like they must have been so grossed out by having to even touch you when you're all baby lubed up and it man, them people when I threw some shit on this guard one day They come in my cell, they said, we're going to take all his cups and buckets. Now he ain't got nothing to throw. So I hated that guy so bad that I stood up and was talking to him and put my hand back and shit it in my hand and then pulled him up to the bar and rubbed it in his face, right? And so, but how they got me back, If they four pointed me, I'm on my stomach, hands four pointed to the bed and my feet.

1:00:39He commented, they said, fleece, somebody's here to see you. When I look, turn my hand, he stuck his head through the door. Then when the door opened, he came in and put on some latex gloves. I said, here it goes. They get ready to do something. He put on some latex gloves, took some lubricants, put it up my ass, took out a whole can of mace, forced it in my hand and spray emptied the whole can of mace in my asshole. They did shit like that. What happened after that? What did the mace? Man, I was burning. Shit and burning. But I, you know, I know I got him, so he just, you know, I looked at it like, you know, you do this to me, I'm going to do something back, right?

1:01:31It's just so crazy that, like, we have prison systems and that this ends up being the kind of shit that happens between the prisoners. Well, do you know why I start throwing, do you have any idea what made me throw shit on him? What'd he do? This is what made me do it. they were locking me up and they put me in a cell that had water all over the floor. So I told the guard, I said, look, man, I seen some empty cells that was clean. Can you put me in one of them? He said, no, you were, you were. I said, well, let me talk to a lieutenant. He said, lieutenant's busy. I said, all right. Lieutenant?

1:02:14I said, holly, lieutenant, lieutenant. So when he come up, he said I was disturbing the wall. Told me, turn around, get handcuffed. They took me down to the dungeon. And down there, they stripped me naked and four-pointed me. Okay. Like that, naked on a steel bed. So it was about 115 or 20 degrees down there. I'm sweating. So I cussed a little. Then I went to sleep. and what woke me up, I had about 500 flies buzzing in the crack of my ass. It sounded like I had a vibrator up my asshole. And I couldn't get them loose because I'm handcuffed. Why were there so many flies in your ass? Did they put, like, food down there or something?

1:03:02No, the place was condemned down there. That's the place where rats come up through the toilet. The toilet you sit on, a big old rat will come up through there. That would really change taking a shit. That would really ruin the experience. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so when all them flags was buzzing in my ass, man, I felt like something died in me. I ain't never been disgusted, treated like it in my life, right? It was the most disgusting feeling. And if I try to shake them off, they go deeper. So I just took it. You kind of just have to give up on life. Yeah, yeah, I said, yeah, yeah. I said, I'm going to get them back.

1:03:43I said, when I get upstairs, I'm going to get everyone. They're going to pay for this shit. And that's what made me start throwing shit on. I said, I'm going to throw shit on every one of them in here. I'm going to get them back. And I did. Crazy. So, okay, but that was your, you already covered your first time, like, consensually having sex with a sissy behind bars. When did you first start to kind of, Because you have this reputation as being like a... I don't know to what extent you would agree with that. Would you say that you were actually taking it from dudes, or did you always just kind of mentally break them down and condition them to have sex with you?

1:04:25No, what happened was I was over a skewer straight program. Okay. Now, remember, I done threw all this shit on these guards. I done went in a federal court in Paducah and won a$200 million lawsuit against the Department of Corrections. And the case is called Kendrick v. Blaine. That's the case. You can look it up. Google it. It'll come pop up. You won this huge lawsuit against them? Yeah. Because what happened was I found a lawsuit. I wrote to the Department of Justice in Washington. Told them they were trying to kill me and all this stuff, right? Well, about three months later, three black ladies come from the District of Columbia, sent by the Civil Rights People Division, came down to represent me.

1:05:14So they said, Mr. Johnson, there's a class action already pending in court against the prison. We can take your case and consolidate it with that one and get one judgment for all inmates, He said, we can just do your case, get you on the street, put some money in your pocket. What would you like? I said, well, let's get one judgment. So when they joined that, they took over the lawsuit. So when we get to court, all the people on death row that was coming to testify, they tried to escape. They knocked a big old hole in the ceiling and got caught. So now the federal marshals is sending us back to prison.

1:05:58So now we can really lose our case, right? So I said, man, let me testify. She said, I don't see what good it'll do because you don't come in the federal judge's courtroom, turn it up, expect him to help you. She said, I don't know. But they took me after her. So while I was after her, the warden was Dewey Shower. That's his name. And he's the one that shot me in the leg at another prison. and uh so me and him been fighting battles for years and i know how to take him off right how did he end up shooting you in the leg at another prison see that's a different story let me let me let me finish this one right here good point good point let's put that yeah i'm gonna write that down okay and then uh when they brought me out i know it's all on me because they've been taking all the other inmates back.

1:06:50They taking them back to prison. This is all over the news. The Paducah. We went to the Western District Court in Paducah. They had it all over the news. The federal mortals taking all the inmates back to prison. And so she asked me, she said, what happened, Mr. Johnson? And I wouldn't say nothing. I'm looking over at him. He had his head down. He had a pencil, ink pen. and he kept tumbling it. And then when his attorney said objection, he looked up. I said, he called me a nigger and acted like I was crying. And he stood up. He said, he ain't crying. Can't y 'all see he's pretending? The judge said, oh, in this courtroom, I will now have another eye burst like that.

1:07:38I'll hit you with a contempt. He said, you can take your contempt, stick it up in your ass. and when he said that the federal marshal put his hand behind his back and marched him out of the courtroom and then two weeks later they came and said y 'all won so at 200 million dollars it means they got to take all them double sales and make them single sales take all the billy clubs they are almost bankrupt they were so mad at me they were telling inmates well we're going to have to give y 'all a little mattress just to ask, thanks to fleece. Thanks to fleece, y 'all don't get to eat chicken no more.

1:08:20Everything, no more pork chops. No more this and that. We're going to have to hire earmark to come in and feed y 'all small portions. We're going to have to give you boots that'll hurt your feet now because we can't afford a real army boots no more, thanks to fleece. They kept trying to throw all of it on me, trying to get somebody to hurt me, right? But all the inmates, they respected me. So that happened. And then when I tore up the electric chair, I'm the only inmate in America that ever took a mop wrangle and beat a electric chair off the stand, tore it up, and it was in the newspaper, a current journal, and it cost$650 ,000 to prepare the damage I did enough.

1:09:05You destroyed the electric chair with a mop? Wrangles. still my wringer. Okay. How did you even get access to the electric chair? I would think that that would be kept separate from everybody who wasn't actually being executed. I was fighting on every walk they put me on. Throwing shit and getting all the inmates riled up. So they put me down on death road, on that death road, down in the dungeon by myself. So to keep me away from inmates and shit, right? So this guy named Steve Galusha come down on and he wanted to bring my food and stuff. And he said, I want you, Martha Lane Collins was the governor at the time.

1:09:49He said, they give me an excrete to somebody. I want you to go in here and just don't touch nothing in here but the little mat around the chair. That's the only thing you take out and wipe off. Don't try to wipe nothing else. I said, okay. He said, now look after your own food and stuff. So when I went in, I sat down in the chair across my leg and lit the cigarette up. And when I got to thinking about it, I said, they give me an execute somebody. So I don't like this, man. You know, so I got offended and took a Mott Ringer and beat everything in that chair, right? I beat it off the stand. And they never put it back on her.

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1:11:36Taxes and fees extra. Initial plan term only greater than 50 gigabytes. May slow when network is busy. See terms. She stood in front of my door and I spit in her face. They put that in the newspaper, too, in the career journal. Martha Lane Collins, she was governor then. So how much money did you actually end up getting from the prison? Well, it was for all inmates, and the money was supposed to go into the renovation. In the hole, they didn't have no air conditions. and the cell houses no earn. So they had to put in century earn, century heat. They had to take the double cells and break them to a single cell.

1:12:14They had to give us a better legal library, better school, better medical, better programs, better everything, right? And they owned up to it. But they blamed me. And see, and so what happened was, now this is where it gets interesting. So it came a time in my life where I'm calming down now. I got all this money in prison. I got stores, poker games. I got weed, whiskey. I'm blackmailing everybody. They bringing me everything in here. And so I'm satisfied that I ain't never going to hit the streets no more. You know, I just shouted a guard. I got 15 years. I took a five-gallon bucket of boiling bleach and threw it in the guard's face and put him in a hospital for 18 months, burnt his whole face off.

1:13:14And so for what he did to me. But when I started calming down, I didn't realize that you don't fight these people the way I fight them, inspect them just because you calm down for them to calm down. So MSNBC came in and wanted me to do a documentary. What year was that? It was in the 80s. Okay. 90s. I think it was the 90s. It seemed like it was pretty decent quality footage. Yeah. But anyway, they came in the institution, and I'm like, I'll do it. I ain't never getting out.

1:13:57I'm never getting out. And so I'm going to get up here and say whatever I want to say, right? A lot of people in that situation might kind of lie about what they have going on. Yeah, you exaggerating a lot of shit, too. I'm not going to tell them that the prison ain't like that right now. it was like that when I first entered the prison but after I'm doing all that fighting and shit I changed that prison but I'm just saying that a lot of people might sleep with other men while they're locked up and then get out and act like it never happened I feel like that's the norm you were the one dude who got an opportunity to do a documentary be on TV and you just said everything you just laid it off yeah yeah yeah that's what we represent here at House of the Spirit man is the truth man We were right here on my shirt, man.

1:14:54Stack of style, man. That's a different type of hustler spirit, though. Yeah, we got that spirit, man. We don't lie. And my agent, he talks to me, and he tells me, look, man, these people want to hear the truth, man. Now, you don't have to tell them the truth if you don't want to. I said, man, I'll tell them because, you know, because what I talk about, people don't talk about. But so now to get back to the gay stuff. People are unbelievably fascinated by it, but they don't. There's very few people who are really going to talk about it, you know? Yeah. And so but I don't fear nobody. You know, I don't I don't fear people.

1:15:41I told somebody that said he got respect for me. I said, first of all, I don't need your respect. Your respect don't put food on my table, clothes on my back. I'll choose on my feet, man. You keep your respect for yourself. I don't need it. I have always stuck with that. So I don't care about what people say about me because I know everybody in this world has did some bad stuff. I ain't the only one. I'm not the only one. I'm the only one that's get up and talk about it. But I'm not the only one that ever did something, you know, that people disagree with. down on sex. Man, I had sex with a lot of men.

1:16:22When I took that first time, I said, I got to get more booty. I got to get as much booty as I can in her. This is all I got to go on. I'm never getting out. You know, I don't know what it would feel like to be with a woman. You know, so I went hard, man. When did you start, and And did you ever start taking it from men? No. Or would you always break them down mentally until they would consent? No. They was already broken down. Here's the point. See, you think that most, I don't know whether people get this notion that in the penitentiary, you got to take somebody's booty. Them people, out of 20, I was in the prison and held 2 ,500 inmates.

1:17:19Out of the 2 ,500, only 30 of them get regular visits every week. You can see them on the visits every week. Out of 2 ,500, only maybe 150 or 200 gets money from somebody from home. All the rest of them, they done burnt all their bridges. They ain't got nobody sending them nothing. Right. And then, next thing you know, they'll do anything for some noodles, cigarettes, weed. If you got weed, you can probably have sex with whoever you're not. Right. Yeah, a pack of cigarettes goes for$500. So, easy.

1:18:11so you're saying that there's just a lot of guys who are willing to have sex when you're in there it's it's really not as crazy as we think it is because in our minds a straight man is just never gonna consent to having sex with another dude you're saying that in that environment it's not that crazy. No. See, it's you got people like one guy old me and I said, well, how are you going to pay me, bro? He smacked his ass cheeks. He said with this. I said with what? I said, turn around. Let me see it. I said, pull the trust down on them. I said, spread it open. I said yeah I said I got played off like I'm used to boy he had a hell of a ass on him though it was powerful and I said look man I get this anytime I want it I got money and stuff I said but yeah I said we can work something out and that's how I do it you know and I seen if I really want somebody What I do, man, is I introduce myself to him, let him know I got all the money.

1:19:34I'm the one with the weed and the whiskey and all this stuff, and I'm the one to get things popping. You know, if you want to roll with me, you know, holler at me, right? I'm seeing you. You know, I think you look good. You know, and whatever we do, I'm going to keep it discreet. You know, you don't have to worry about nobody in your business. You can keep your mustache or whatever. I just want your booty, man. How much more relief did you experience having sex with other guys as opposed to just jerking off? Because maybe I'm naive, but I would feel like as a straight dude, I would always be okay with just jerking off and that I wouldn't necessarily need to go and use another man's booty to get the job done.

1:20:16I'm going to break you through something on that. It's a lot of people trying to take that approach, but here's how I used to bust them out. Now, we have sex, triple X-rated magazines in prison. That people like, hey, man, you want to rent that magazine now? So, yeah, look through it. Nothing but whole core sex in it. Now, what do you see? Penetration. Cum shots and stuff like that. So, I used to keep a stack of them. And you don't have to rent them out. You want to look at them? So, after they done been looking at them, So I told dude one day, I said, look. I said, you like this one? He said, man, I love this one, boy.

1:21:02I said, did you get off? He said, yeah, I got off. I said, watching his dick and another man's dick and a woman, it gets you out? And he said, yeah. I said, so what about man? Oh, come on, nigga. You know, we are. Hold up, bro. What I realized through them triple X magazines, that the tendency to have sex with men was already in them. They got the tendency already in them. When you leave the streets, your sex drag goes with you. However, you was having sex out here, it don't freeze up on you when you get locked up. you still got that urge that's more powerful now. You know, and then when you go through the masturbation thing, that'll work for a little while.

1:21:59Well, it gets old. And you're in an environment now where you see men walking around that is built like women and flaunting themselves too, making their ass pop, bending over in front of you. And you're like, oh, my God, my woman didn't have a butt like that. You know? and uh you know you you imagine that and uh so i stopped caring about what people think i said i want him and uh and i'll make my approach hey can i talk to you for a minute i feel like you you almost ended up like there's a whole conversation you know about trans men women etc is is a trans woman really a woman etc but in your mind you're locked up for decades and it just becomes like, is a man that different than a woman?

1:22:50For your purposes, it's not that different. Man.

1:22:59To me, I never hit a woman, so I didn't know the difference. I can see how your mind would get there as the years drag on. Yeah, but from where I look at it now, having hit a woman, and then I think back to that time,

1:23:20I'm just be truthful. I ain't seen a woman out here yet that has pussy as good as some ass that I had in that pen tenter. Not yet. And I hate to say it, but man, I had some real good butts. Booty support is what we call it, you know. You know, like if me and you knew each other on the streets, and I've been locked up a while, then you come in. and yeah I know your whole family and stuff but when I sit down and talk to you man I'm saying look bro you know I've been locked up a while man and uh you know I need some booty support right you know tell you straight out I'm looking for booty support I ain't looking for no conversation and a whole lot of riffraff I want booty I gamble The main thing I did in there is gamble, fight, and booty.

1:24:17And if I ain't gambling, I'm chasing bucks. And I just didn't chase any bucks. I chased the best that they got in there. I don't mess with no dirty people, people that don't take showers, don't stay clean. I got their medical record. I get everybody's medical record before I even socialize with them. You know, we can get that independent attention. get your medical files and stuff that's smart that's just like the industry really um anyway okay so you do this interview for the news and you just kind of put everything out there you just you expose all this craziness that at that time nobody in pop culture really had any kind of reference for like what was going on in prison or whatever it's not like it was something that they were just talking well maybe it was on the news a little bit but like very rarely was this stuff ever making it to the surface where people really knew about it.

1:25:11It comes out and does it just start kind of making you famous right away? And what was that like? Now, what happened was after I did a documentary, I didn't think none of it. They said it's going to be a half the juveniles or something. I didn't know that somebody had a real hatred of me, right, from all the fighting and shit throwing and all that, making guards quit their job, that they took it so personal, they're going to fight me to the end. And so they took, about two years later, a girl come to me and say, hey, please, you all over TV. I said, what you mean? Oh, man, you ain't going to like it.

1:25:49They said they made a cartoon out of you. I said, get out of here. Because I ain't know nothing about it, right? How many years after you did the interview was this? About a year or two. Okay. And people was telling me that they made cartoons and boondocks. I never even heard of it. Right. And, like, in prison, your TV channel is programmed in. You can only, you can't get everything y 'all watch out here in prison. Right. And so we can't get YouTube and all that. And so when the lady guard told me the contents and stuff, so I still get mad. I said, all right. So they want me to look like a predator.

1:26:36I said, okay. So the fight's on. So we fighting again. So I go up for parole. They tell me one day you're going up for parole. I just forgot about parole. I ain't never getting out. And I went in front of parole. I said, I'm going to kill this right now because I got about nine years left. I can do it. I went in there and I said, you know what, y 'all. They said, excuse me. I said, you know what I said? I said all that. kiss my ass, your department. And I kicked the chair over. And I went back to my cell and laid in the bed. I cussed him out. So a lady come to my door the same day. Her name was Scala Greeper.

1:27:22And she became Deputy Warden. She said her exact words was, I quote, she said, you the first at what you do. So I said, what you mean? She said, I never seen nobody cuss them the way you did and still get parole. I said, parole? She said, yeah, they gave you parole. I said, when I go home? She said, tomorrow. So, I wasn't even prepared for all that. You know, I wasn't prepared for none of that. And I didn't realize that somebody done had a trap set for me, so when I get out on the street, every time I put in for a job, they say, man, you a hell of a worker, but you got some stuff on the internet saying you a predator, so we got to let you go.

1:28:09I lost about 40 jobs going through that. And then I went into church, and the church told me I couldn't even be a member in the church because the Internet said I was a predator. I got kids and all this. And that happened, man. And so I couldn't get jobs or nothing. And then I started working under the table and stuff like that. But then that's when I eventually hit the Internet and I told my story, and I gave my, and I do you the same way. I would give you permission through my agent to get all my criminal records, my juvenile records, my medical records to every institution, jail or prison, detention I've been to, and let you see what you can see in it.

1:29:04Because I have never been charged with sexual or anything, taking nothing from nobody, never a complaint ever been lodged against me. You know, so when you take into account how I made parole, cussing people out, and that's unheard of that you can cuss them and still get parole, then go home the next day, unheard of. Yeah, it was a setup from the beginning. So all that stuff they put over on the internet, they put me in a position where I can scream, that ain't true, this ain't true, that ain't true. And the more I scream at, people gonna say it is. So what I did, I said, okay. Well, okay, so my friend DJ...

1:29:55But I did get a lot of booty. Oh. Right, I believe that for sure. But okay, so I have a friend, DJ Vlad, and he's previously mentioned that at one point he was going to interview you. He wanted to interview you, but then he basically had a realization that he didn't want to be platforming someone that he considered. And you're basically saying that that is not an accurate description of what you were doing in there. Right, right. It's not. And Vlad knows. because let him know he didn't have no proof, evidence, that I ever did none of that. Only thing they went on was when I did my interview and said booty is more important than water in the internet.

1:30:45Took it and edited stuff. I had one person show me a picture of me. He said, man, you were swole. I said, that's not even my body. They took my head and put it on some muscle man body and said, yeah, I take booty and all this stuff. And so, but I can assure you, no, I don't take it. That's crazy. I was, I ain't going to laugh either. I was getting booty and giving up booty. So tell me about that. When did you first start giving up your booty? man i was in his uh i was in a hole that moved a dude next to me and he had a real nice big bucket ass i said boy i gotta get some of that but he always say he ain't gay so i'm gonna have to break him down another way so i i said hey man uh when you get time you know just holly at me you know you can stick your mirror out and look over in my cell i can look in his cell So I made sure I got a nice little fat butt on me, and I was bending over.

1:32:02I said, I know he's going to look. So he said, damn.

1:32:11So when he looked over at me, he said, damn. Damn, that's fine. I said, you like it? He said, yeah. I said, all right. I said, let me put something. He said, no, let me keep looking. I said, he ain't let me see nothing. So when I looked over at him, he showed me his butt. I said, oh, boy. Mm-mm-mm. I'm going to get that. I got to get that. And so we played the butt game until I got it. You know? There wasn't no shame in my game, man. I've been molested before, so I already know how it feels. And so. But so you don't consider yourself gay? I just want to. You don't consider yourself gay, but you didn't mind.

1:32:56No, I'm going to tell you this. I'm going to keep it real. Now, I was forced to answer that question. Yeah, right now.

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1:33:48Okay. Here's a review. Dr. Craddock really takes his time? No, I don't have time. What about Dr. Charles? His patients say he can help find a quick fix, and he's in network. Great, now we're talking. Book it. Booked. One mile down, 19 to go. Bring it on. You've got options. Download the ZocDoc app today. Now, right now, I don't see myself as gay, But I look at it the way they look at it in AA meetings and stuff when they said, I'm an alcoholic and I've been clean for 22 years, but I'm still an alcoholic. You know, in other words, you still got the symptoms, something in you, feelings and stuff.

1:34:36And I ain't going to lie to you, man, since I've been out, even though I don't indulge. And before I hit the streets, I went back 18, 20 years before I hit the streets, man, where I didn't have sex with nobody or not. But before I stopped, I had sex with a lot of them, over 50 or 60 that I done been in. and I ain't gonna lie about it but I'm thankful you're saying for the last 20 years that you were locked up you didn't sleep with any yeah about the last 20 years no no you just quit I haven't yeah I quit man I had reasons why I quit it man I was going through stuff with God I thought I was on top of the world man, I ain't believe in God, I ain't believe in Jesus, I ain't believe in the Bible, none of that, and when God revealed himself to me, it scared me, and then when AIDS came out, it scared me, and so I was done, man, and I'm fighting, I can't do all this gay stuff and do all this fighting at the same time I was doing it there, so I chose to fight and just forget all that.

1:36:05But when I got out on the streets, I seen a gay guy out here once that I was about tempted to speak to him to get with him. And I came close to him, and then I met a woman. But, you know, I used to wonder about that. Once you went down that road, can you ever, you know, say you ain't gay or nothing like that? but uh I don't let it bother my conscience I don't let it affect my conscience man I know what I done done in my life you have any gay stuff in your life I don't but uh no no I never had to go down that route I think I slept with like over a thousand women so never even really thought about it to be honest they said somebody said you had a man sleep with your wife or something?

1:37:17Yeah, so we do and at one point we decided let's go viral and my wife slept with a black dude with a huge d***. I wish it was me, man. I bet you do. I got 12 inches. I really did her some justice right there. Wait, are you serious? You have a 12 inch penis? Yeah, I'm dead serious. Now, I went to Drewski camp, right? Drewski. Oh, really? I didn't even know that. You know what? No. Yeah, could have been a house episode. I should have watched that. So when they brought the people, yeah, but listen, you can call them here and tell you. They said one of the sisters came out and said, you talking about you got a 12-inch?

1:38:03I don't see no 12-inch. Right there on camera, I stood up, pulled my pants down, dropped them to my knees and showed it to them. right there in Drewski, the whole 12 inches. And then she liked it so much that when we finished filming, the lady come back up and said, can I see that again? I said, yeah, you can see it. Yeah. But he didn't show it on TV, but he got the video of it. I just like that. Do you ever think about doing b****? Yeah, I do. I'll be a huge success I know I know I'll be a huge success in that for the simple fact everybody wants to see yeah no jumper should produce your first

1:38:58well my agent produces my first I got an agent you know no he can talk to me about it What did you say? You ain't going to watch it? I'm not going to watch it. I love it, boy. I would love to get naked and do it. And, yeah. Yeah, I'm really interested in that. You can talk to my agent about it.

1:39:30Yeah, that's a good idea. So, okay. So, yeah, I mean, it is kind of crazy. It's like people just sort of accepted this narrative that you were this just when you never really said that. But the boondocks kind of implied it. Right. And that sort of painted the picture for a lot of people. Yeah, it did. And they got stuck with it. He couldn't fight it for 20 years. Yeah. Yeah. You couldn't say shit. Yeah. 2015. Yeah. And then when I get out or just slap their face, they, I hear like, at the time I got out, I hear now I got about seven more years left on parole. So, I said, I'm going to do something that's crazy.

1:40:18I'm going to call 911 and tell them to send me back to prison so I can get off parole, right? And because our prison system got programs if you do six months in there and knock a year off your sentence. So I went and got in five programs and did one year and kept that whole seven and a half year that I had left. So you would think when a person after doing 40 would say, I don't ever want to go back. I said, no, I'm going back. They're going to get me off parole. They did some crazy shit to me, man. And the warden said, I was at a halfway house. His wife would come and get me. He's retired as the oldest serving warden in Kentucky.

1:41:04His wife, Susan, I go to the house, the state house, where they let the warden live to pack their stuff. They move in the Crestwood. So they came up with, she said that I fucked up. And I'm going to show you how they do power. They took me. I came from an attempt service job. Police was waiting on me. Louisville police locked me up and drove me without any due process to Kentucky State Prison. What happened to me over the Internet came from some real serious, powerful people that they don't want to see nothing good happen to me after the way I fought them when I was locked up. They were hoping they could get me killed out here with all that stuff they put on the Internet.

1:42:06Nobody gave me a job. Nobody talked to me. Nobody liked me. None of this. They locked me up. took me to prison, said I've f***ed the warden's wife since I've been out. And I was in prison two days without going through any court proceedings or anything, and she came up there and got me and brought me home. Yeah. That's crazy. It's crazy, Adam. And then Flair, your friend Flair. Let me talk about Flair. Now, Flair did a lot of cartoons and stuff like that. Now, I expect somebody to make money, you know. You put yourself out there, somebody make money off of you, it's all good. But when you lie, when you lie on me, that's what bothers me with Flair.

1:42:59When you lie and you ain't got no evidence or proof or nothing, man, you're going by some bullshit, nothing legal. and then you stay, I say, you know, because I would have liked to have a relationship with Bled, man, where we can do programs and do some more cartoons. You know, just go on, go do a whole new set of everything. I would have loved to do that with him. But I don't think I asked Bled to do it to respect me, man. You know, know that I did get a bum deal. They did all that cartoon stuff without my permission. I didn't get nobody to consent to do that. Nobody. Right. And so, and for somebody to set up for her, then I got a wife, and she got to hear all this shit, you know.

1:43:54And so, but she's cool with it. But I would love to have to have a relationship with Blair

1:44:05where, you know, a relationship with lead where we could just make money, man. And I take it, you know, and like with you, the opportunity is done for you. You know, you're talking about whatever, man. I'm ready to make money. All right. So to everybody watching this, we're having connection issues. So we're actually going to have to kind of call this quits a little bit early. We didn't really get to cover some of the topics that we wanted to cover there, but we're going to run this back at some point in the near future. Fleece, thank you for your time. Sorry that we didn't really get to finish this out the way that we wanted to, but I appreciate you telling your story.

1:44:46It's an insane story. Yeah, and tell Vlad I'm not really mad at him. I am mad at him because he won't be true, man. He won't come true with me, man. I would love to sit down with Vlad and do a whole bunch of episodes of cartoons and everything, man. But I don't know, man. You just talk to him, Adam. Okay, I'll talk to him. I could probably show a broker of Peace Tree. He's a fair dude. All right, Fleece, I appreciate you, man. Thank you for your time. All right, booty man out. Do they got some good booty in that? What do you say? The most memorable gifts aren't found. They're made. Zazzle is a custom marketplace where you pick any product, a mug, a card, a tote, a phone case, and make it personal.

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