Fly Thugga on Growing Up in Compton, Hand Drawing His Own Designs, Getting Shot & More

41:19And that's what I did. You know what I'm saying? Just stand my ground. Just do everything I've been through. You feel me? And stand on whatever decisions that I made. You feel me? What would you say, like, what would you say is, like, the most, like, frightening experience? What was the most scared you were? Was it when you were facing that charge? Or was, like, there's something in prison that was scarier than that? Um, damn. I mean, I ain't gonna lie, man. When they told me, shit, I was facing the murder case, man. I'm, man, my heart dropped. I never, never wanted to faint You feel me, 17 years old I never, never wanted to faint on that bed You know what I'm saying But, you know Yeah, then Well, as far as in prison Like I mean I mean like one of the coldest prisons That I went to Was Salinas Valley I was there like nine months It was there And there like six different Racer riots Cracked off You know what I'm saying There was like Probably two of them When I was on the yard But it was different races And it was just crazy Like seeing them going at it And police shooting And like you You trying to watch out You know It was just crazy So if it's like blacks versus essays, blacks versus Mexicans, do the Bloods and Crips come together as one?

42:22Yeah. Yeah, yeah, more certainly. That kind of shows you something, right? That like a lot of the things that we use to divide us and they're different is kind of not really a thing. Yeah, no, for sure. No, for sure. That's why I like getting out. Like I don't really take shit personal. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, because in there I'm cool with dudes we was going at it with. You know what I'm saying? I'm cool with Bloods, with Power Rules. You know what I'm saying? I'm cool with all these dudes. You know what I'm saying? And then shit, I mean, shit, you may be cool with them and be getting to it with your own people, you know, with your own homies, even some people that, you know, from your own neighborhood.

42:55You know what I'm saying? So, I mean, like, I'm not going to lie to going through that time. It matured me as a man to have my own mind and deal with things the way I deal with it and shit. I mean, like, even being out here, I don't really care where nobody's from. I'll be looking forward to designing clothes and doing collaborations with dudes. You know what I'm saying? From the other side, I don't care. You feel me? Because I'm more on some business shit. You know what I'm saying? The street shit, we're going to leave that in the streets. You feel me? Like Nip said, I be on my business shit.

43:23Y 'all bring out the loke in me. You feel me? And like a broke weed head, my pistol will smoke for free. I always love that bar. Okay, so you said that you went in at 17. or 18 technically at what point like when you first got there did you feel like the older inmates were kind of like okay this guy's new he's younger we could try to manipulate him and try to make him into a soldier crash out type thing did you feel like that energy do older inmates that are more experienced try to prey on the younger ones not just on some weird shit but on some like we gonna make you turn up Yeah, yeah. It's your turn because you're young.

44:08But, nah, it don't necessarily go like that because you got dudes that's been there all these years and that's older homies that ain't this shit. You feel me? But, you know, over time, like, you know, like when I first got there, I used to always ask my homie Joker. You know, I used to always ask him, like, questions like, hey, man, how is it? He's like, man, you overthinking this shit, man. And then over time, I started realizing, like, these same dudes that's older than me or, you feel me? I mean, as far as this and my core, as far as the company core, and just dudes in general, I was like, man, they didn't turn out to be nothing that I thought they were.

44:41So that's what developed me as a man, even a young dude. Like, man, this dude ain't even, I have more rank than them, more heart than them, more, you know what I'm saying? It's crazy because I can't even think about me knowing myself at that age. I was so, would not be mentally prepared or able to even like, I would mentally break down. I don't know. What was it that gave you the strength? Did you find God? Did you find Allah? What was it that gave you the strength? I'm not going to lie. In the beginning, I didn't think I was going to be there that long based on my appeal. You really thought this whole time, you thought you'd be doing a couple years type shit?

45:23No, but I'm not going to lie. During my eighth year, that's when I broke down because one of my boys, you know usher one of my compton homies from carver park from my boy p twin he was next door to me you know he said some shit like man damn and i'm glad i don't got that much time damn i'm glad i got a date and that shit like broke me because i had life at this time so i'm like fuck you i mean that's when i already started getting tattoos and not giving a fuck just like yeah you said that was like 2012 that okay that's when yeah but i was saying that to say that it hit me it was like damn i'm really i really got life i damn i really didn't have a chance to live as you know what I'm saying as my adult years like damn I really had never had a chance to do you know what I'm saying to have my own core you know what I'm saying to do this or do that like damn I really lost my life at 17 and then what fucked me up too cause I'm looking at it like I was a good person you know what I'm saying like damn how the fuck I get night in life and I've always been a good person you know what I'm saying so it's like the things you do in the streets you thinking I mean you know in your head you know what I'm saying you doing what's right because you know what I'm saying because this is really how you raise and so I mean so you look Well, he's a bitch.

46:25Why? Well, of course, I'm a pocket checker. You feel me? Like, why do you let me run through his pockets? I mean, no, not as far as that, but I'm saying the gang stuff. You know, I totally get that. You looking at like, you know, you doing what's right. You know what I'm saying? From your heart. Oh, I'm doing this out of love. You know what I'm saying? But, but, um, but. Oh, that's interesting. The way you put that, because I don't think a lot of people, because you think that you're, you're essentially like a warrior. You're writing for your people. You're like holding it down for your community, for your tribe.

46:52You know what I'm saying? and like so right there like you don't even in it's not even internalized that what you're doing is inherently wrong yeah it's a crime and then especially when you look at shit look at the fucking other countries in the world they be at war yeah they may be killing their enemies dropping bombs same shit it just we not it just i don't know they got it to where oh you killing a civilian you know even though it's a gang and this shit going on that's how you get trial like you killed somebody and it's you know saying a civilian well yeah they want you to go to war for the country and kill for the country but not for your neighborhood right yeah that's that when you put it like that that's absolutely insane um a lot of my homies have told me about like uh being the court tank when everybody you know people getting sentenced and all that and like one of the homies had got like a 15 year sentence and he wanted to uh his his initial reaction he wanted to cry he wanted to like he was all upset but he said that you can't do that in the court tank because they're 15 years might be light compared to somebody that just got 90 years or some shit so so if you over there like acting like all upset about some shit this motherfucker just got life you have a date motherfucker you feel me so no it was just like when i went back down to the county i did a year you know i'm saying uh for my appeal um yeah and and it'd be There'd be people coming there in the county jail for a week, you know, and they'd be crying.

48:16You know what I'm saying? And you got certain homies be crying. Like, bitch, I just got 15 years life. And you crying about two weeks. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah. But then you were on the other side of that because you had your homie being like, shit, I'm glad I got a date. Oh, yeah. And you're like, fuck. Yeah, when I was in the cell. Yeah, that's what really fucked me. All right. And it's crazy. I never had told him why I started getting a tattoo because he just like, yeah, what happened, man? you said you wasn't gonna get no tattoos you trying to go back to court but i didn't tell him you know what he said it kind of like fucked me up it made me realize like damn i really got life like yeah i said yeah fuck me up so did that make you not only do that but did that make you kind of like want to program and turn up more like when you in there like yeah for sure because i already had in my head like man if i give up on life come on i'm about to tattoo a big ass ny on my face and i'm about to step up on every dp you know i'm saying because i'm like i'm not going home anyway shit this would have got me in jail so i might as well just you know i'm saying i might as well go full flesh with this shit and that's and that but it's crazy when i did that and that's when that juvenile law came you know i'm saying i mean to where we had people advocating for for for uh juveniles that caught life yeah yeah and that was one thing that my dad told me like man what's up man it's like you giving up you tattooing your face man they just passed this law for juveniles you know saying people that got life as juveniles and whoops so it was just like damn so it's crazy you know but this guy you know yeah and you know it's crazy looking at your face right now i would not know there was ever any tattoos all right now okay now that you pointed out i could see like a slim little outline of the ny but like okay so was that part of i'll get to that in a second actually um who is a d-dog aka nutty nutso and what was his influence on you yeah that was my uh yeah that I was like a BG, you know what I'm saying?

50:01I was a BG from my neighborhood, you know what I'm saying? That's the one who got killed, you know what I'm saying, when I was in juvenile camp, you know what I'm saying? But, I mean, but, you know, a lot of people there don't be realizing that, you know what I'm saying, when you lose certain people, you know, that's the only thing that happened is you're getting other people involved that didn't gangbang, you know, and that's what happened with his death, you know what I'm saying? You had homies that was, you know, that was from his clique with a little rapping crew, like Young Hogs, you know, 10 of them people turned to the neighborhood, you know what I'm saying?

50:26So, I mean, like, oh, what's it called? Yeah. So basically this dude was so well-respected, not just for his music, but who he was that there was a lot of people that didn't play about him. Yeah, for sure. So when he passed, and that was the death that pretty much made you want to turn up as well. That's him right here. Okay. That's right. Yeah. All right. Long live. So he's a legend over there. Safe to say. Safe to say. and uh so the when you're in there at that point okay it's like 2012 2013 they're now um trying to give these programs to potentially reverse life sentences for juvenile offenders but you're also at the prime of your case of the buckets like are you thinking about you still thinking about uh nutso at this point oh or is it just more is it like now it's just like it's just deep in your soul i mean yeah no don't get me wrong like you know saying homies has always been a part of me you know that was like one of the shirts i got made fly thugger shirts i got made in prison you know i'm saying i do i drew his portrait you know i'm saying i even had this portrait you know saying on my desk yeah but um yeah matter of fact that was the second that was like one of the second drawings i mean that was one of the second shirts that i made like this was my original one the fly the classic yeah welcome to the grandees yes my original one Then the second one, yeah, the second one was D-Dog, and I drew him, put him on his shirt, you know what I'm saying?

51:58So when did people realize when you were locked up, like when did people realize, hey, this guy can fucking draw. This guy's got talent. Wait, when you say who realized? When other people, like the other, you feel me, your fellow inmates, your fellow convicts. Yeah, no, they always seen it, you know what I'm saying? They always seen it. Even in juvenile hall, I used to be drawing shit like, you know what I'm saying? I got some boys, like, I got some partners, you know what I'm saying, that be bringing that up. Like, you feel me? I think he infant T-Loke from Harlem. Yeah, he always bring it up.

52:30My boy, I think he infant Dopey from Fultry. Yeah, they always remember my joints from when I had, I mean, when we was trialed as adults in a juvenile tank. Yeah, they always, I mean, yeah, in a juvenile compound. Yeah, they always, you feel me, they always liked how I drew. And then one time I drew some shit like this, like a mural, you feel me? and when the staff ended up selling my shit, I painted it and all that shit. Did he give you the money? Nah. God, that's janky as fuck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They sold my money. That's hella janky. Yeah, that was something big that they remember. Then, too, I actually did the painting where I was like, it's called the, damn, what is that shit called, man?

53:08It's like you in the hole, but you know what I'm saying, you just inside a room. I got into a fight. Okay. So this was my pastime, you know what I'm saying, sitting here drawing and painting. So I did like a big ass, like, real damn matter of fact, I did the homie D-Dog, like his face was like inside the clouds. You know what I'm saying? Matter of fact, it was just like this. It was just like this, but it was just like a brick wall with dudes hanging out. How do you remember the exact, it's crazy because this is so detailed. Like, how do you remember like exactly how many windows were on the side of this building?

53:38Like how, how the fuck do you like have that image in your head and then bring it to life like that? I had a picture. I had a picture with my homie T-Baby. He was standing right here. You know what I'm saying? He's standing right here You know what I'm saying Where they're showing the background Showing the grandees Yeah Damn So Is he really gripping on a pair of phenomenal cakes like that? Yeah I said the homie was horny for sure when he painted this Like I just happened to see this like in a magazine I seen a girl that looks similar to her But I just made it a little bit more ratchet with the red hair And you know what I'm saying All that stuff going on But yeah I just wanted to make it like a stripper Like you know what I'm saying I'm not going to say who it looks like Because it's kind of offensive But it looks like a famous woman that we hold in high regard in LA.

54:21Yeah, bro. I mean, as far as her, I just wanted to make her like ratchet. You know what I'm saying? I wanted to make her like sexy, like a sexy ratchet. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I wanted to make those like hoods. She looked like she about to be like, give me my chain back. She kind of looked like that. Yeah, but this was one of my first big drawings, though. You know what I'm saying? This is when people, I mean, yeah, my first collage, you know what I'm saying? Then I got it put on shirts and sold in the neighborhood. Like I said, I was designing clothes in prison okay so yeah so you're so that that's what i wanted so at what point do you realize this is like the most applicable way for my skill set to shine is through clothing like what was your your when did you realize that and then also what are like the original clothing brands that influenced you when you was locked up to actually do it yourself all right uh or what got me to uh you know designing clothes is like i said uh when i used to be in there drawing you know saying they see shit like this they're like bro man you know you can put this on clothes you know you know you can put this on clothes man well so you know so that's what got me like oh you know what i'm gonna throw this welcome to the grandies on the shirt and pit fly thug over it you know because fly thug that was my facebook album name you know where i used to take pictures of myself and post pictures so i'm like okay man that's a catchy name you know i'm saying for a clothing brand so i'm gonna pit fly thug over it you know with the welcome to the grandies and then so i just start you know designing more and more stuff yeah i mean then it's like even like i mean it's like even after this you know people were like oh man you know you gotta make something more than just the hood man everybody not going so i just started venturing out doing other shit like outside the grandies yeah because like here's the thing like it only certain people could wear this in compton you feel me and if you wear this in compton you might get asked about it by random people yeah i mean uh safe to say or no i mean but you can't really tell that it's say the grandies but it's more but it's more so like in a cartoon form yeah no but outside but my point was like outside of here everybody don't think that shit is fire like if you're not directly involved like somebody like me i'm from west la you know what i mean like like i those politics don't really pertain to me at all so i just saw that and i'm like oh this shit is fucking dope yeah no but too no but too uh i mean i mean the way i look at it as far as everybody could wear it because it's, I mean, it's basically just like that show, Welcome to the PJs, you know what I'm saying?

56:42This is basically, I mean, it's no different from that. I mean, from that, it's just showing like, you know, I mean, it's really showing how we grew up in a life, you know what I'm saying, within the grandies, you know what I'm saying, in the cartoon form, you know what I'm saying? You don't see no hoods crossed out. There's not no gang signs. No, it could be a lot more. Yeah, yeah. It could be a lot more active, for sure. Yeah, but I wanted to share, you know what I'm saying, like, you know, my neighborhood, I mean, you know what I'm saying, just apart, I mean, in which they call it ghetto. I don't really look at the ghetto, but, you know, people, you know, that's the ghetto.

57:10I want to, I want to share a clip, you know what I'm saying? From our lifestyle. You know what I'm saying? So, okay. So like Watts is where like the actual, like PJs mainly is that you feel me? You got, yeah, the projects, you know what I'm saying? You got the Imperial courts, you got the Nickerson's, you got the Jordan Downs. There's other projects out there too. Compton don't really have like projects as much like that. There are projects, but there's a, but like the grandees, that's essentially a, is it just like section 8 housing for the most part just like yeah i would say so i would say so but you know it's our project it's basically the project so that's my point like at the end of the day like it's i mean yeah you can call it projects you know i'm saying it's like on the way in dead end street so it's like you know it's And Yeah, it's kind of, you know, it's tricky in there, but it's like, you know, it's like a safe haven.

57:57You feel me? I hate to use the word safe haven, but it's like, you know, it's only one way in, one way out. So you can chill. Right. You ain't got to be watching your back like in the neighborhood. So are these all actual homies that you might model those after or those? Oh, you know, you know what? It's crazy because like these certain images I did draw from like pictures that I had, like a stack of albums from being locked up so long. So I look at certain images like, OK, I'm going to draw this. I'm going to draw this kind of pose. like with him holding the cup and i'm gonna put this on there yeah so it wasn't actual like homies but it was like different like poses and shit yeah that i added on there and then like okay so here's here's um i want to talk about you getting out first but i also i'm really curious like when you're locked up and you're seeing society like change but you're not really privy to it because you're not outside because when you got locked up there was motherfuckers had motorola razors and shit like that all of a sudden there's iPhones coming out and all this shit like what was it like are you aware of like the technology advancements and the way music and culture are changing and you're just kind of like yeah uh yeah hell yeah hell yeah a lot of things you know like one one things like that fucked me up too oh like when I went to the DMV and and they told me that, I guess that's your California, I mean, your California ID, it's the same as, you know what I'm saying, when you was a juvenile when you got your ID to work a summer job.

59:24You know what I'm saying? But at that time, I didn't know, so when I went, it was kind of like frustrating because a lot of shit is just off and on to ask all these questions. I done did two decades, you know what I'm saying? Right. Locked up. So it was like, when I went back to my room, I was in the half of my house, like MCRP. Yes. When I went back to my room, I just fell asleep. Cause I was like, kind of everything is just overwhelming to me. Yeah. Yeah. And then like, as far as the technology, uh, yeah, hell yeah. Uh, and then another thing too, like, uh, like my first time using, you know, the paper towels when you wave your hand.

59:59Yeah. I remember you said that before. Yeah. So I'm actually, I'm like, man, how the hell do this paper towel come and come? So I used to put it on the side. Right. So do like, Hey man, how long you been gone, man? You been gone for a long time. Yeah. So it was like, yeah, I didn't know you just wave your hand like this. and the paper towels come out. Simple shit that we take for granted. You feel me? That we wouldn't ever think about. But that, like, that's crazy. Motherfucker just trying to, just took a piss and trying to wipe his, and you feel him, wash his hands. Where the hell is this paper towel?

1:00:27He like, hey, man. He looked at me crazy like, you ain't gone for a minute, huh? Like, yeah. So when, okay. So back to your artwork. So when you're locked up and you start doing drawings, I'm assuming you're doing drawings for other people. Like, yo, draw a picture of my girl. they paying you with fucking hella chili lime soups or whatever to you feel me to to pay their girlfriends and things like that their parents and all that um and then you start getting interested in what clothing brands inspired you uh uh damn it's like only people that really had like pictures that reflected us was fubu you know what i'm saying fat albert and stuff like that they never it's crazy because like it's like now when you look at it you know you didn't really have i mean us you don't really have nothing like this you know yeah it's true brands that's true they got characters yeah so we just had bugs bunny sagging and that was like the closest thing like i think coogee had that or something like yeah yeah iceberg yeah iceberg iceberg yeah yeah but that's still there wasn't actual like images of people from the hood like black people on clothes like that like yeah i feel what you're saying yeah so fubu is super influential yeah fubu yeah yeah They had the black face.

1:01:37I mean, not just black face, but a cartoon character. Yeah, 100%. And that's the crazy thing, too, is that now FUBU, like, you know, things come in cycles with fashion right now. Like, that's just, like, hot again. You feel me? Like, the brands that was cracking 20, 25 years ago are now backing everything in fashion cycles like that. So, okay. It's 2013, 12, getting eye busters tatted on your face. You feel me? not just high busters, but you're getting the hood tatted on your face. You might have had high busters. I don't know. You feel me? No, no. I mean, like, the way prison affected me is that I didn't get no hoods crossed out because, like I say, in there, the same people that you beef with, you know what I'm saying, you in there on some social shit with them.

1:02:22You know what I'm saying? I mean, like, even the Bloods and Piru's, I don't got no P's or B's, none of that shit wiped out because at the time I was getting my tattoo shit, I always hung out over there with the Bloods and Piru's. side you know they had love for me i mean like i say it's it's gonna be time when you're gonna get into with your homies you know you're gonna have different you know saying you're gonna have different uh you know it's different ways you're gonna view things you know feel me and i was always like a stand-up type person however i feel is how i'm standing i don't care if i went against all the homies you feel me however i feel i'm standing on that you know stand-up business what what about like uh what was racial tension like in there like is it were you able to have friends of different races or is that kind of like a difficult thing?

1:03:01No, for sure. Not for sure. You know what I'm saying? It's not like back in the day, like, to where it's like, oh, we don't mess with them because they white or because they masking us. So you actually have cool ties with them because, like, shit with the maskings, all they should be in-house shit. You know what I'm saying? All the shit that they do, you know what I'm saying? And then just like us, you know what I'm saying? As far as the blacks, you know, it may be, I mean, most of the violence start over people that's fucking up, that's intervening with this program for people trying to go home and trying to do something productive with themselves.

1:03:33So if you fucking over somebody's time as far as trying to go home and you starting tension with this other race, they're going to remove you, especially if you're doing something bullshit. I mean, if you're doing something bullshit, you up out of here. You disrespect another race. You out of here. And do you feel like for you at a certain point, like once Once you started to see the light at the end of the tunnel, because at a certain point, like you said, your father made you aware, hey, they got programs for, you know, that are reversing juvenile sentences and things like that. Do you feel like there's other people that are like, nah, actually, I want this guy to stay right here in the cell block with me.

1:04:14I don't want him to go home. Yeah, for sure. It's crazy that you said that. Yeah, because, yeah, I mean, you know, you got motherfuckers that's going to hate. You know what I'm saying? You got people that's going to hate. You know what I'm saying? You even got some of your own homies that got life. You know what I'm saying? See you going home, they going to hate on that shit. I'm going to miss the homie. I want him to be over here. Hey. Or they want to be in your shoes. They want to be the one going home from a life sentence. Right. You feel me? So it's like you're going to feel some type of energy.

1:04:40Then, like you say, even trying to go home, you know, it's crazy because that's one of the trickiest parts. It's like, man, I'm trying to, you know what I'm saying? It's like I'm going to stand my ground. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to demand my respect. And I'm trying to go home. So it's like you got to cipher all this shit, the politics and you know what I'm saying? But at the same time, you still got to have your name, you know what I'm saying? Going home, you know what I'm saying? With a good name for yourself and in prison. It's so funny because this is going to sound retarded as fuck, but this was like everything you said just reminds me of like me working at No Jumper.

1:05:11Yeah, because I got to stand on business. I want to make cool content. That's exciting. I know we got to indulge in the fuck shit a little bit because that's what the people like. But at the same time, I got to maintain my morals and integrity. And I want to go home at the end of the day with my head held high and happy about my actions. So obviously what you dealt with is infinitely more extreme, but I can relate on a microcosmic level. Yeah, it get tricky. It get tricky. It's tricky. That's what I'll say. It's very, very, it's difficult to navigate that fine line because you don't want to go home.

1:05:46You're trying to go home. You don't want to be stuck in that motherfucker. and so yeah so I say that was the biggest thing for me like you know so I'm not gonna lie like my time I didn't even get no stickings like you feel me I mean I mean don't get me wrong you feel me I mean it ain't that I wouldn't have did it you know I'm saying it's more I'm thinking about trying to go home I know I my status motherfucker I'm gonna be stabbing the killer's ass and I'm gonna have another life sentence on top of what I got to go home you feel me so that's what's in you know that's what's in my head I'm thinking about home you know but when you get in those face chats at a certain point you're kind of like you got a case of the buckets for a while huh you know at that time no like i said at that time i gave up but then like you say when these laws came in it's gonna make you kick back and start thinking about going home especially when you start seeing so much bullshit going on in in prison you're like man i gotta get the fuck out of here it seems like you'd have to have an incredible amount of patience more than anything too because what we talking about that's gonna take okay they just now starting to change these laws but in order for that to actually come into effect and then like then you actually got to apply for it and all that that that that takes years right it took you how it took you 10 years to come home after the year i did 21 years no i'm saying i'm saying at that point like because you'd already been in for like 10 so i tattooed my face yeah yeah when they changed the laws and all that and you start kind of thinking differently no you know what they changed the law when i was the county jail when I was oh when I was fighting my case okay yeah when I went down after being down like 20 19 years something like that so at what point did you start so at the whole time you're trying to fight for your freedom basically yeah based on another argument I had a different argument and then the juvenile law came okay yeah so and but but still like would you say that patience is like one of the most important things that you learn oh yeah yeah oh yeah oh yeah it's like shit right now sure I mean shit I'm so patient you know so a lot of people you know They see my drive from my art and my clothing and everything I'm doing productive out here.

1:07:43But, you know what I'm saying? I'm patient as far as in a sense because I'm not just trying to rush to get to the bag. I'm not trying to rush to get this certain kind of car. You know what I'm saying? I'm patient in a sense, but I had this vision. You know what I'm saying? The same vision. I mean, it's not even this vision, but faith. You know what I'm saying? That same faith that got me out of prison. You know what I'm saying? When I didn't know how the fuck I was getting. This episode is brought to you by Facebook. So you were scrolling on Marketplace, and there it was, the bike you'd been searching for.

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1:08:57First day fits, handled. Walk out ready for whatever's next. Visit your nearest Croc store today. You know what I'm saying? But I knew that God was going to get me home. You know what I'm saying? I put my faith in, you know what I'm saying? In God's hands and he got me here. So at that same faith, I'm moving on out here in the streets. You know what I'm saying? My life coming together, you know? So when did you realize, what was the moment where you're like, okay, I think I might actually get out. Like this is going to work. Like this is, the sentence is going to get commuted. Like at what point was like, did you start to really see that light at the end of the tunnel?

1:09:32I mean, my homie, one of my homies, he got released. You know what I'm saying? One of your crimeys or? No, one of my homies. He caught life at the same time. I caught life. I mean, yeah, we caught our cases probably like two weeks from each other. You know what I'm saying? Man, you guys were active at that point. Jesus. Yeah, 17 years old. You know what I'm saying? Fighting murders. You know what I'm saying? I mean, yeah, we were murder cases. But yeah, but he ended up going home. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. with his lawyer, Beth Stefferman, you know, shout out to Beth Stefferman, you know, she got me home in two of my other homies' homes.

1:10:03Yeah, from life sentences as juveniles. You know what I'm saying? So when she got my homie Kayvon home, it was like, damn, like, this shit is real, right? Okay, and then you wind up actually going through the process and then what a lot of people probably thought was the unthinkable. I don't know how your homies felt because I know, like, Like for me, sometimes at a certain point when the homie's been locked up 15 years, like I don't like I want to see him again. But I can kind of like adjust your brain to stop even thinking that they're ever going to come home again, like type shit. And then you come home.

1:10:40So, OK, I got a couple of questions. First of all, when you was locked up, what clothing brands were cracking? And then what clothing brands were cracking when you came home and how different was the fashion? yeah academic um was cracking uh inichi um i know people were wearing like shan john because the velour suit era yeah velour suit you got locked up in the velour suit era and that was funny because we're back damn near in the velour suit era again but just like the that's crazy bro that's crazy okay yeah i mean but not because y 'all but yeah that's what i'm trying to bring i mean well that's what i'm bringing back to the clothing is you know i'm saying is the urban style the urban culture the hip-hop culture you know so i'm bringing something different you know i'm saying because what you see now you don't see this you don't say own clothes so yeah i'm trying to you know you know i got my own lane as far as with the way i draw my creativity and and as far as you see the characters and you're ill with the aerosol too so like you said you started with the strikeums and things like that um did you ever like did you ever before you got locked up were you doing murals and pieces and things that weren't gang related like not just like putting up the hood but were you just like a graffiti writer too oh yeah yeah yeah for sure yeah for sure that's all i used to do is tag up the hood tag the walls you know i'm saying i love tagging up the wall you feel me like from decorating the hood all down caldwell through just do everywhere yeah i just like tagging from the camera marker yeah i can even with a marker so okay so you're you're mainly like hitting streaks and markers and but were you spray paint yeah yeah but you're aerosol too yeah yeah he's right you know in the neighborhood you know i'm saying i'm tagging up all the laws i think we need to get uh i'm gonna set this up i need i think we need a fly thugger piece over here at no jumper i got you i think we i think we need that what do y 'all think i think so yeah i think that's a mando okay so what what's your plan in your head as you're getting ready to go home are you like i'm gonna hit the ground running like are you first of all Are you seeing, like, damn, the homie Geechee Gotti's going up right now?

1:12:43Eli the mayor's going up. Did you even know, like, what battle rap was like that before? Nah, it may need to start picking up on me, you know what I'm saying, listening to dudes, you know, talk about it like, you know what I'm saying, one of the dudes that was my opposition. I mean, yeah, I mean, well, yeah, he was a big fan of Geechee. You know what I'm saying? It was crazy. The Ops love Gotti. Yeah. Man, that's full Geechee, man. That's when you know you're hard, when the Ops still fuck with you. that's when you know you hard yeah yeah for sure yeah for sure yeah for sure and this dude really hate the hood you know i ain't gonna say his name but yeah yeah so he's so you're starting to hear from different people including people that aren't supposed to be getting along with your community they're like hey like your homie is going crazy right now yeah for sure and it was a kind of different because battle rap so different from like music where you like oh this is did it trip you out there's no beat they doing an acapella and all that like yeah then it's crazy because like my first time even seeing one of his battles when i went to mcrp i'm just sitting on the couch you know i'm saying and they said get from captain gucci i even had recorded it since it's when you feel me but it was my first time ever seeing him on tv and battle rapping i say we grew up since kids you know i'm saying this on some regular everyday hanging out you know i'm saying game banger type shit now to see him on tv it was just like damn like you know it's funny so the first time i ever saw gucci way before i met him was on a i think with street tv alex alonso you feel me uh hey and he was like oh there's this guy baylok and and i was that's my first time uh and to be honest with you like i obviously knew like what the nutty blacks were you know i'm saying like and all that but that was the the first like real window i had in seeing um y 'all's lifestyle and things like that and then uh it became crazy like just how much it's grown and things.

1:14:36When you were locked up, was that kind of like a source of pride? Like, A, like, because not every hood got homies that are doing it big like that. You would think they do, but there's a lot of hoods that ain't got no emotion. Yeah, not for sure. Not for sure. But, you know what I'm saying? And that's one thing we always talked about was this, you know what I'm saying? Because he always knew, you know what I'm saying, my skills, you know what I'm saying, from drawing. I mean, even like tagging on walls to drawing, you feel me? When I was locked up, I was drawing a little shit, but, you know what I'm saying, And for them to even start seeing my drawing advance on social media, like, you know what I'm saying?

1:15:07I didn't see the clothing line thing. So this was always something that we talked about doing was, you know, getting this off the floor. And it's like, you know, we're here. We're actually doing it. Yeah, we're doing it. So, man, that's crazy. That's crazy. So at what point were you like, okay, this is actually something that a lot of people are going to be interested in and I can make this a whole career yeah like I say people I mean like I say my fellow inmates you know what I'm saying they really encourage me like bro you need to put this on shirts you feel me then so it's like now I start putting on clothes you know what I'm saying it's my you know it's a passion as well you know drawing is my passion but dressing up is my passion now designing is also my passion designing like some of the coldest shit that people like damn So when, who decided to make the, was it your idea to make a documentary about your life or did somebody else like, yo, we need to tell this story?

1:16:05Yeah, no, my homies, you feel me? My homies is always big on it. You know what I'm saying? Like I said, Geechee, he always like, man, you need to get your story out there. You know what I'm saying, man? You got a cold story. You know what I'm saying? The tale, you know what I'm saying? Growing up, you know what I'm saying? On the block that you grew up on and, you know what I'm saying? Your family and then, you know, what you've been doing as far as with your art and clothing line. Like, man, that's how they going to connect you with who behind Fly Thugger. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I mean, him and my other homie, my homie that's rest in peace, the one I told you that had got out with me, yeah, he ended up passing.

1:16:33But, yeah, he also was like, man, you need to tell your story. You got a cold story. You know what I'm saying? And his thing was writing movies. You know what I'm saying? For him to tell me, you know what I'm saying, about my story. You feel me? Then my homie Tiny No Good, you know, he also was like, man, you need to tell your story, man. Fuck all that other shit. Tell your story. Think about how you came up with this. You feel me? So people was always into the story. You know what I'm saying? So that's why I'm like, you know what? I'm about to do this documentary. You know, I only was out five months, like four and a half months.

1:17:01I'm like, man, I'm about to do this documentary. And I'm not about to do it sitting in the backyard. I'm not about to do it sitting in the grandings. I mean, we about to walk through the hood. You know what I'm saying? So my homie's like, what? You know, it's war. You know what I'm saying? It's cracking in my neighborhood. You know what I'm saying? All the time. But I'm like, nah, fuck that. You walking through the hood. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. because I've got a lot of history and different things to tell. That's an amazing doc. I want to put a link in the description for that because it's a really, really dope documentary.

1:17:25What would you say? Okay, you say you got an important story, and your homies were telling you this story. What's the moral of the Fly Thugger story? Yeah, the moral, I mean, yeah, I mean, shit, the moral of the Fly Thugger story, damn, it's a lot. I mean, one, like I say, shit, the writing. I mean, shit, that, I mean, my font to the Fly Thugger, That's my actual strike-ems, you know what I'm saying? Being an artist and pitting my art onto clothes. And like I said, always being into dressing since a kid, you know, like I say, art, you know, pitting my art. I mean, I got hand-drawn personal art on clothes.

1:18:01You know what I'm saying? That's something you don't see. I mean, then I also try to look it up. Like, you know what I'm saying? Is there any clothing designers that put their own art onto clothes? You know what I'm saying? I couldn't refine that. So that's something even different, too. That is very different. Most people just taking other images and putting it on chat GPT and shit. AI. Yeah. You, you, you anti AI, you AIK. Yeah. I'm doing it all by hand. Yeah. And that was another thing too. You know, people were saying that they like more of the hand drawn art rather than AI because it's more, it's more authentic.

1:18:32It's more original. A hundred percent. And you have the right number of fingers. That's also a good thing. Cause the AI be like having a warped looking hands and shit like that. I, but I think the, what I gleam, the moral of your story is a lot deeper than that because this is a story of perseverance. This is a story about not giving up, about when all odds are against you and life doesn't kick that ass and beat down, you still hopped up off the motherfucking pavement and said, guess what? You feel me? I'm still here. I'm still alive and I'm going to be my best self. My best years, a lot of people when they get locked up, they think that, hey, you feel me?

1:19:10this is where life ends but nah this is where your story really begins that's to me i don't know if you take it like that but when i see your story when i look at like the moral it's about perseverance it's about um consistency and it's about not giving up player yeah you know i'm saying yeah thank you man thank you i guess you know you know what's you know what's crazy is like you go through so much stuff that you become numb you know you become numb to you know what you go through and it actually don't even it don't even seem like nothing you know what I'm saying? It's like you have like a tunnel vision to where you're not even focused on what you've been through no more, you focus on you know what I'm saying?

1:19:49Where were you trying to get to? 1000 % man, amazing story let's bring attention to the artwork and some of the clothes so we can show the people, what's up for people don't know like this image right here, by the way is that a real Monte Carlo right there? I drew this picture from from an actual picture, one of my homies. That's the homies whip right there. That's a cold whip. Yeah, and then my dad had one of these when I was a kid. I was in the other, like, sixth grade. That was my favorite car that he had. You know what I'm saying? SS Martin Carlo. You know, it was purple with, like, the metallic flakes.

1:20:25Yeah, it was a bagged out-ass car, I ain't gonna lie. I think for those that need those kind of rims, it's better. I love white walls. I love it. But this right here, that's what the kind of rims that whip needs. Stocks. Yeah, it's the stocks. You feel me? You keep it in a hood. All right. Some of these other images right here. We got the Smurf gang right here. Yeah, Smurfs. I had to change up the Smurfs, right? Because I used to be watching the Smurfs show, and I'll be watching them getting chased, and they blew. I'm like, man, you know what? I'm about to make them. You know what I'm saying? Stand up to Gargamel.

1:20:59Was they running a train on Smurfette? What do you think? Was everyone hitting that with Smurfette for the streets? I mean, you can see it now. shit, yeah. I mean, yeah, shit, she hood. And what's up with Papa Smurf? Why he got the red? Is he like a turf hopper? Like, he used to be a blood and he hood hopped or what? That's one thing about my creativity, I switch things up. Okay. Papa Smurf got the blue on here. Yeah. He was always creeping over here. Yeah, blue Smurfs. So I got him like thugged out, you know, taking a stance against Gargamel. And then, oh, yeah, and that's another thing that they got to see is the sweatsuits I made with the Smurfs on it.

1:21:41Oh, yeah. That Smurf outfit is cold, you know, the blue Smurfs everywhere. And then that's your main character. Yeah, Fly Thugger. Yeah, that's Fly Thugger right here. Yeah, that's my main character. It's crazy because I drew him with his hat to the back, hat to the front. You know what I'm saying? I switched it up to where I have different versions of Fly Thugger. You know, one with the fade. You know, it's the same version. Yeah, yeah. Got Boosie Fade Fly Thugger. Yeah, then got the hat. Okay, hat to the front, hat to the back. How many of these did you do when you were locked up? Which ones?

1:22:12Like these. I know this you did when you were locked up. Oh, yeah, I did that when I was locked up. Then I got the one with the hoodie on. And this is a frighteningly real Nipsey Hussle. I mean, that look, that's a photograph, bro. the fucking texture in his in his facial hair and his his braids that's crazy dog like that look like you like glued hair to it that's insane how you got that much like how do you get the dimensions to pop out like that yeah okay yeah see with this picture I took two pictures one with him looking up and then the other one oh shit okay yeah with this one I did I mean well I took two pictures of him and I collaged it you know i'm saying one when i'm looking up in the sky and then the other one with his rag around his neck yeah but as far as the details as far as the details go uh like i said i just look at the picture and i just i don't know is that that's just something i really be into the details and find details and then just and make it pop you got the eye bro there's no other way to put it and uh who's this right here oh uh yeah that's one of my homegirls i had drew her uh portrait you You know what I'm saying?

1:23:23But I just wanted to show how advanced, you know what I'm saying? My portrait hand done got because that was something that you mentioned too, as far as being in prison and people actually do portraits. Yeah. So I just wanted to show, you know what I'm saying, how my portrait hand had elevated, you know what I'm saying? And I can say this is pen, you know. That's crazy because I feel like she's in the room with us right now. That's crazy. Oh, is that detail? Is that detail. And then you got, of course, you got Woody. You feel me? Yeah, the Woody. That's you. You feel me? Yeah, Unreal got the black witty.

1:23:54You know what I'm saying? I made him to - He black and he banged out. He not no cop? He outlawed. You feel me? He outlawed. That's the outlaw. He outlawed. That's way the outlawed right there. You see, I got the one, the$165 ,000 reward. You know what I'm saying? That's a nice stretch right there. Yeah, hell yeah. But that detailing, man, I think that's where I'm - That's what really make my drawings pop is that fine detail. Yeah. Nah, you definitely bring it to life. all these crazy that that's you posted in the hood basically yeah and that's basically yeah that's basically the fly thugger i mean well i mean yeah this is basically where i got i mean with my fly thugger image he actually comes from the dude from the welcome to the grandies him right here okay yep yep yep yep i just ended up revising him over so many times you know saying you've been making yourself look a little more light skin than you really are oh yeah i noticed that oh oh you said oh you said lighter yeah a little lighter yeah darker yeah that that's fire though um so okay what do you do now in order are you just so focused on your art and your and your ventures that getting in trouble is not even on the table or like yeah or how do you like is it you are you ever tempted to go back to your old ways um i'm not gonna lie i'm not gonna lie that should be hard but at the same time what i just overcame you know i'm saying you got to think about going through that over again you know i'm saying so it'd be like you know i'm you know i just try to make this my main focus and i try not go go backwards shit man i just i just went through the nine year life sentence you feel me you feel me i'm blessed you know i'm saying by god to even be here so but like i say it's it's hard not to get involved uh politics and shit that go on but shit your biggest lesson is you say that journey you know but but but as far as what i do on my time um i would just in defy adventures it's like a uh it's a class it's a it's i mean it's online class for dudes getting out of prison and starting their own business yeah so that's what i've been doing um as far as as far as on my time as far as building my brand you know they help you you know build your brand like the first four months it's a boot camp so you read down there you read down there uh 1200 pages it's two books it's 600 pages but it's a lot yeah teach you everything about business growing your business and yeah and then then also it's like the acceleration phase where you know they just help you you know build your business so yeah that's basically what i'll be putting most of my time into and do you think that gangs just by nature are negative or do you think there's positive aspects to gangs um i mean you know it can be negative i mean i mean you know the stigma that's placed on it is as far as being negative but you know saying you can make something positive about out of it you know so i said i was just watching you know dell dog documentary from from main street you know i'm saying he did a lot of things before you know i'm saying before before he passed you know i'm saying he had his you know he had his four life records you know i'm saying he turned his four life record into a clothing brand you know i'm saying he had a non-profit you know i'm saying if he's also he's preaching to his homies you know i'm saying out there in front yard in the streets in in his neighborhood but i'm saying that to say you And I said, how you say, I'm no longer a game member.

1:27:06You know, I'm from, of course, I'm from, I grew up where I'm from. Right, right, of course. It's always going to be, but, you know, I'm not active. You know what I'm saying? I believe it's different from being active and being where you're from and doing what you do. Because no matter what you do, you know, they always going to look back at you like, oh, that's him from, you know what I'm saying, from, you know, where you grew up from. You're always going to be labeled from where you grew up from, no matter if you gangbang or not. Look at Lamar, I mean, look at Kendrick Lamar. He don't gangbang, but this is where he grew up at, So he always going to be a reflection.

1:27:35He was really more banged out than he, he portrayed a whole different image. And like, like, like people want to, cause I remember when Drake was all like, Oh, like he don't even bang. Actually, Kendrick really was like, you know, I'm not saying he was like that, like that, but he's more than he portrayed. And I think he just wanted to put a different image out there for people to see another side. But no, I totally get what you're saying. So, um, so you're not trying to, obviously you're, I don't want to say above, but you're past the politicking phase of your life. What would you say to, what would you say to people that are in a similar circumstance?

1:28:15You feel me? Cause I think like to me, another big one of the morals of your story is there is a second chance and you can change your ways. So, so what would you say to you in 2012? Like the, the version of you. I mean you know to stay focused You know what I'm saying even though I did it you know what I'm saying stay focused keep faith keep your faith in God He's going to lead the way for you even when you don't know which way He's going to lead the way I'm not going to lie like doing that time and what I went through it made me a firm believer in God it's kind of cold to say because when the people see gang members and they dislay you this type of way but you know what I'm saying, God is going to affect you in one way or another.

1:29:04Say less. And did you want, you wanted to show some of the clothes that you got? Is they still out there? I wanted them to come in and show it off. Yeah, let's do a little walk through right quick. You feel me? Let them know. Yeah, do a little runway. A little runway drawn right quick. You feel me so the people can see. Honestly, I love the gear. Like I said, right before we started doing the interview, Gotti is my homie for real and uh i'll any favor he asked me but this wasn't this this interview right here ain't even uh gotti calling in a favor i was so compelled by your story and so interested in it that i felt like this need to be told to the world so we got ally the mayor we got the other homies in the building they gonna show uh you feel me oh yeah everybody else left Oh, hey, got it.

1:29:55Hey, got it. Show him that community collaboration. Yeah, just show him real quick what time is it? We can bring all that over here. Yeah. Bring all of it over here. I want to show this off too, man. With the flight together. You know what I'm saying? I want to show the flight together. Come on the side. You know what I'm saying? Get off fly shit. What camera we looking at too? Yeah. The center one. The center one. The center one. So Pete, look. Y 'all know what's going on, man. It's a fly together thing. Look, this is my brother. He put together this community collaboration. So the reason he called it that, because you know, of course.

1:30:26No, that's it. I say, so what you know, what Lush know and people that know is L.I. got his own brand, which is Pack of Lunch. Pack of Lunch. You feel me? You know what I'm saying? So you see, he put together the Fly Thugger Pack of Lunch collab. And you know, of course, I got the No Studio and brand. You know what I'm saying? So then you got the Fly Thugger No Studio. And then you got the homie Cash, got the Central Lab. We got a Sam, you can't see the vision. My boy, the one, we got a TG with the TG fire bites. You know what I'm saying? We got a lot of different homies with clothing brands. You know what I'm saying?

1:31:02We got a lot of different homies with clothing brands. And then we got the, you know, some of the monuments. So the community collaboration got all those brands on there and a few of the monuments in our hood, which is like the miracle. That's the airport at the bottom over there. Yeah. You feel me? So you see. Yeah. So if you see it got the standing on business, which is one of our guys, man, AD and them got that. You got the no studio and that's my stuff. We got the pack of lunch. You got it all. So it's a collaborative, you know what I mean? So ain't nobody missing. You know what I'm saying?

1:31:30I love it. If you rock, if you get this, you represent everybody from our side of town. They brands, they stuff they putting on. And it's dope. Like, look at us, man. We mixing with the designer. We got the Louis shoes on with the bra thugger. We got the Nike shoes. We got the Gucci. You know what I'm saying? We got all that good with the Gucci. Come on, man. This one right here. Compton Tar, baby. Yeah, it was crazy. This one right here is the Compton Tar, baby. I've seen that. Yeah. Hey, I redid, you know, the Compton, you know, the Compton High logo. Compton High, y 'all got to get it right and make this official.

1:32:03Quit playing. You just put the money up, man. You already got the new School District. School District. Where are you at? Yeah, the new jackets. You know, I want to get a contract. You know what I'm saying? We'll Compton High. designing these. I also got the joggers to go with it. You can't forget about the joggers. You need the bottom path. You got to have the joggers to go with it. You got the tar bags going down the side. You know what I'm saying? You got the tar bag right here. Shit is fire. We used to go get a tar bag special. It was more like clips. A clips. Go on. Salute to Dr. Drake. What he did for that school is amazing.

1:32:40I for sure would have loved it. Went to that comp to high. You hear me? That's different, right? Yeah, that's a different Compton High than what we went to, you know. Olympic-sized pool. But, yeah, exactly. But what's better than somebody that literally went to Compton High, you know what I'm saying, lost their freedom, went away, came back with a new, more positive attitude, changing everything that can really show those kids, like, look, hey, I went to this school. I took pride in this. I made a mistake when I was y 'all age. But, look, y 'all have to make the same mistake. This is the type of energy that you bring back to your city when you put, you know what I mean?

1:33:12When you put the right people in position, man, I think the city of Compton, I think Compton Hive, they get wind of this, like no jumper giving a big platform for them to speak on this. They get wind of this. That's what I'm saying. They might actually really understand how big that is to let this be the new logo, be the new, you know what I mean? The new jerseys, the new everything, man, for they school, man, because, man, you could be Compton Hive. We talking about somebody that really went there, went to those schools, had them teachers, man, went to them, walked that track, did all that. You got a new school, you got somebody coming back, so Compton Hive, man, we ain't we ain't pressing no lines but we definitely are reaching out and hoping that you know man you take a chance to you know take a chance on some young kids from compton man that made a change man and let the new uh youth get a new look at this new tar bay man you know i'm saying for real for real who else who else would be better man if there was any art class he took it was over there come on you know what i'm saying yeah let my boy teach art class let him teach art class yeah you feel me yeah you know like that that's real rehabilitation though So, you know what I'm saying?

1:34:08A lot of people don't, don't, don't, don't realize when you start talking about that, like this is real rehabilitation right here. You know what I'm saying? He took his time in that cell and really rehabilitated itself. We know people who go to jail and probably don't change. You know what I'm saying? We looking at the, you know what I mean? The image of somebody that literally took his time and had 90 to life and said, I'm going to come back, do something different. Like you said, man, I had many options to crash out, tatted his whole face at NY's and all kinds of stuff, but came home and said, let me take that off my face.

1:34:34Let me clean up my image. Let me get focused. You know what I'm saying? You got a champion, that type of stuff, man. So like he told you, man, we've been homeboys since kids, and it ain't no fake love, no none of that. So like you said, man, by you hearing this story, this ain't no favor of me. This was just you doing how you wanted to do and his hard work getting him up here. You know what I'm saying? His hard work and showing what his talent got him, man. So I'm proud of you, man. I'm glad to just be in here and be in the cut and just hear the story like I ain't never heard it before. You know what I'm saying?

1:35:00It's definitely an amazing story. For sure, for sure. The best part of it is it's just the beginning because the Fly Thugger legacy has got a lot to come in the future. You feel me? Do you live in Compton still? Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's. I got a. Oh, yeah. I got a website, you know, with all my clothes on there. You know, you can check it out. You know, say Fly Thugger F-L-Y-Y-T-H-U-G-G-A. You know, I'm saying I got my Instagram is Fly Thugger. You know, you see all my drawings, you know, all my clothes, you know, saying. Fly Thugger, F-L-Y-T-H-U-G-G-A. You know, shit, my YouTube channel, you know, with my documentary on there, talk about my whole life.

1:35:43I know that motherfucker, like two hours, but, you know, that's why I call it, you know what I'm saying, a real Compton movie. You know what I'm saying? It's a documentary, but at the same time, it's a real Compton movie. It could be a movie, too. Yeah, I want it to be a movie. I want that to be a movie. We might need to talk about that. We might need to talk about that. With that being said, Fly Thugger, any final message for this? It's been an amazing interview. residue yeah i want to yeah i just want to thank you you know i'm saying for you know you know i'm saying for getting me up out the city you feel me i want to thank i mean yeah and uh you know no i'm saying presente my talent you know i'm saying my talent you know showcasing my talent to the world you know saying and this brand you know i'm saying about the you know saying we'm about to build this brand up to be one of the biggest you know i'm saying street wear brands there is you know i'm saying straight from compton you know i'm saying from somebody born and raised in copton i say we got talent out there in copton you know saying it ain't just games you know i'm saying you got people you know so you got people that's supposed to be millionaires it's just shit we get caught you know people get caught up in the streets and doing what what they doing but you know exactly what i'm doing so you got motherfuckers that's millionaires doing the same thing you know the roses do grow from concrete yeah come on man like pac said yeah and i want to thank you know saying geesey too you know i'm saying shit man he i mean i mean as far as what y 'all see as far as on the battle rap on the battle rap scene you know saying he actually a good dude, man.

1:37:00He's mean to these people in battles, but he's actually a good person in real life despite the horrible things he says about people. Yeah, for sure. Gitchi got a good heart, man. He'll take his last dime and give to a homie. Anything you need, he's going to be there for you. One of the realest dudes I've ever met. Yeah, for sure. That's a good dude right there. Shouts to Cotty and Shouts to Fly Thugger. Once again, this is No Jumper Like, share, subscribe Please tune in with my guys' movements We're going to have you back We're going to have you feel me We rock with the community I think L.I.M.

1:37:40Oh man, let's go Yeah, for sure Come on, come on We'd love to have you back, player Make sure y 'all stop by You know what I'm saying By the Flythugger store too www.flythugger.store you know what i'm saying get your flight thugger apparel man get in buy you some fly shit man the fly shit they got going right now ain't no ain't nothing else fucking with this flight thugger shit man hand drawn from a real street nigga for sure come on man name man good name good a good motherfucker from the grandies to the motherfucking world yeah man we're trying to get this sold all the way in japan we out the galaxy with it all right then with that being said, we about this Beatu.

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