Gumby Confronts Adam and Wack for Lying on His Name!

19:17Gumby:I don't really know what... Do you wake up... Remember how we used to wake up hating our opposition? Oh, no, no. Fuck no. I'm not alone. You get what I'm saying? You remember what the mentality was? My story is not even about any gang situation that happened that anybody's thinking about. I haven't gotten to my story yet. My story is really a story how God turned all my enemies into my friends and brothers. Tank for one. fucking homerule from Paul Rule. That's the homie? I know all he's doing personally. We all was there together. You know what I'm saying? So when my situation came about... But Tank wasn't your enemy.

19:49No, I'm just saying, just people that I didn't know Tank. You know what I'm saying? He was from the Valley. You know what I'm saying? So he had to do whatever he had to do, and he was right there with us doing it. You get what I'm saying? So this is what I'm saying. At that point, it wasn't no PCs. You had to stand on who your name was. It didn't exist. You can't run to the police and say somebody's gonna do nothing to me. You can't do that. They're gonna like, well, until it happened... Yeah, you better go out there and be standing by the gate all day to be on recall. Like, no, it wasn't that type of situation.

20:15Fuck around and get a champion AWOL. Trying to get up out of there. It's just a different situation. And you ask me, am I a gang member? I'm part of my community. Or a gang banger. I'm part of my community. You a member. Yeah, you a member. That's what I'm saying. But I don't see you as a gang banger. I'm not a gang member. I'm a gang banger in that sense. I'm only a gang banger if you bang on me. Anything other than that. I mean, that's you. That's enough. And see, this is the thing, though. Like I was trying to explain about my story. old dudes, right, who helped me, whose shoulders I had to stand on over.

20:42Like, you know what I'm saying? My gang, you know what I'm saying? Because of the situation, they were against me. You know what I mean? I didn't stand on my own. Big Kelsey from 190. I talked to you about three months ago. Hoover Lawn. Everybody's speaking on him. My big homie Hoover Lawn. Dan Tanner. Everybody's not speaking on him. Wait, I mean, not in the back. We're going to get the videos done.

21:01Gumby:Hold on, we got to get this shit. Wait a minute, man. Hold on. What happened, bro, to make Hulk do a about face like that? Now, I know he was mesmerized by the Russian dialect and the cleavage. We all are. But what happened? That's the Hulk girl, man. Y 'all get up with the Hulk girl ass, bro. No, what happened, bro, to make him tell damn homies, you don't know who you effing with. You the one said it. It just, like I said before. What happened? That whole situation was, like I said before, the narrative was that the Hoovers was getting into it. The Hoovers never get into it, right? Outside people who are not on the inside.

21:40That's Cap. Hawk from Hoover. Don't say that. Okay. Well, I'm going to say this. You're saying, come on, bro. Me personally. I can't tell you if y 'all didn't. Wait, wait, wait. I'm just going to tell you this. Are you saying he never was from Hoover? No, I never said that. Listen to me. But see, this is such thing. In this world we live in, no matter, even me today, right? No matter how much I done, it takes one fuck up and I'm nobody. Well, I always say that. Stop. Wait, stop. He took credit for orchestrating a Hoover peace treaty between you and Hawk. Is this true?

22:09Gumby:What did you watch me do? Nothing. You watched me take him one way and by the end of it, had him say, you know what you write. Keep that in mind next time you deny running plays. That wasn't a play. Listen, if I would have told, watch this, Gummy. The homie told you I already talked to him the day before, right? So now that told you what? Wack knew exactly what he was doing. If I would have told him, I want to get him to the seat to try to get some peace, right? He probably wouldn't have came. Of course not. No. But see, this is the thing, though. No, he wouldn't have. Let me just clear it up.

22:46Like I said before, the narrative was that the Hoovers were getting into the Hoovers, but that's not true. Let me explain something to you. Listen, like I said, it only takes one fuck up and you out.

22:56Gumby:So he's saying the Hawks are out of Hoover. So when he's getting in tour with people, that's not a Hoover getting in tour with a Hoover. At all. That's what you're saying. If you got any type of charges against you, any type of anything against you, you don't have a voice until you clear that up. And his only charge that he was in a... That's enough. My only charge is murder robberies. Ain't that enough? No, no. That was enough. That's enough. But they said he rolled it up, so that's the thing he has to deal with? Yes. Once you drop your flag, rolling it up, turning Muslim, Christian, all of that shit is all equal to one and the same.

23:26Bro, you mark the game. You mark the game. That's how it goes. No mover can be in prison and become part of a religion. No, that's not what I'm saying. It has to be you renounce your gang. No, no. He right. It's not like that, bro. We got homies that are Muslims, right, and still bang every day. Look, God is your personal God. You know what I'm saying? Religion is for everybody. But he said if you drop the flag. It's done. You're done. So you got to be a hypocrite, religious guy. I don't think you're a hypocrite because you bang and that you believe in God.

23:58Gumby:It ain't like we don't get into it with religious groups. No, we don't. So where is a Negro going to stand if he's saying he's that but he's still a Hoover? The balance between it is this. You have to pick one over the other. That's what I'm saying. Okay, so I'm saying so for me, I didn't pick one over the other. You just stay Grooves at Hoover. Now look, though. That don't mean that I don't have a Groove, God. That don't mean I don't pray every day. I teach my kids to pray every day. I mean, before you even a gang member, you a person and say you was a human being, you a father, you a son, you somebody, you mean so your religion is just enhance your, your characteristics as whoever you say you are.

24:37That's it. That's all that is. Okay. So, but when you drop your flag and say, I'm my name, I'm changing my whole everything. When you drop that, you denounce your community. Where are you from?

24:48Gumby:So what if a dude didn't put in 20, 30 years, did it, top to bottom, put the work in, police, ops, enemies, whatever, time, yard, cover down for the homies and did everything he's supposed to do and get to a point where he want to make a change. Me and you both know the gang bang is no future in the gang bang. And we have, like I said before. So why would you salute him? Why would you down him? I never said, this is what I'm trying to explain. I never down anyone. I'm trying to explain to you something. Once you transition from being a gang member, right? I got a few homies, some of Farrakhan's bodyguards, personal bodyguards.

25:23You know what I'm saying? My homie Tank. They didn't straddle the fence. They said, I'm not a gang member anymore, and they stood on that. They're still in our community. Them is the people who call. If something happens, those are our clergymen. You know what I'm saying? We trust them. Like, the homies, bro, it's just a little different. You know what I mean? It's just different because it has to be shaped for the community. You know what I'm saying? If Tank was to say, okay, I'm a Muslim and I'm not a gang member no more, and then he come back, you know what I'm saying, every time somebody gets shot and he's handing out guns, that's a hypocrite.

25:52God going to frown on that. He's standing firm on his dean, period. That's what we're talking about. We're not talking nothing bad about if you choose to go the opposite way, that's fine, but you can't double back and say you this, that, and the other. Listen, I was a crip, and when we signed the application, I didn't see no vacation box where you can check and be gone for 15 years. No, that's a fact. I literally had to do day for day. 10 in the hole. Not to shoot the hole. You're a bad actor.

26:18Gumby:You know, you be like, because I talked to the homie. Who was the homie? He from Hoover. Okay. I'm trying to see who he is so we can still be credible. You're going to know exactly who he is. Okay, go ahead. He said that instead of you just giving him a fade amongst around everybody where it could just be a fade, he said you lured him into a location. that was isolated with you and him and where you was at a certain advantage to where he just let you win the fight. That goes to show he's a bitch. I don't give a fuck who you is. I ain't letting you whoop me. So how did that happen like that? Didn't happen anything like that, bro.

26:57You know what I'm talking about? I'm exactly what you're talking about. Talking about one of your guys. Yeah. Big old guys, 6 '10". We not calling no names out. We not doing that. Hoover. You know what I'm saying? No. Oh.

27:07Gumby:Alshon? Oh, here you go. You and him out of squabble? You know, Alshon would have whooped you. You got me fucked up. He's a giant. You got me fucked up, bro. All the way. You got me mixed all the way up. So you didn't pay attention that he intentionally just started letting you in? He didn't intentionally do shit. See, this is the problem. This is the problem. See, when people, I keep telling you. He lured them in. That's a lie. Away from this homie. Y 'all was around the homies at first, but you not? Why would you let somebody lure you in? Were you not around the homies at first? Whatever he said.

27:38Gumby:Whatever that man said. No, no, no, listen. He took him someplace where there was a bunch of dangerous pit bulls. Oh, my God. On command. Hey, look, this sounds like a movie, bro. None of that happened, bro. None of that happened. You didn't go from the west side to the east side? None of that happened, bro. So he said, I'm dealing with him. And then I thought, man, if I beat him, I ain't going to leave. I mean. So he started covering up. That's not even true. He did a fake fall, rolled over to make you feel good. You know that's not real. Well, I'm glad he did that. Me firstly, I'm glad he did that.

28:08See, because me, I ain't losing nothing. I ain't lost nothing in a long, long time. I'm willing to die about this. I'm my mama and all her ugly-ass kids I am. As a man? As a man. Can you be wrong? Of course. Of course. You have a problem apologizing to me and I apologize. No, I don't. No, I don't. I teach my homeboys all the time. So you lie on a man? Who?

28:28Gumby:You admit to it? Of course. So I stole Young Magnificent from you? That was a whole misunderstanding, bro. I never said that. I never said that. This is what I told you on the phone. You made that up. You threw a fake nutty on me. I made that up. You said it. I didn't. Show me where I said it. Run the clip back. What I did is I explained the situation that happened the night after I was at my brother's house. You see the dude in there with the suitcase of drugs in there? Yeah. I was at his house. And when I came down off my high, I called you that morning, right? Because I had just took some mushrooms and that shit opened you up.

29:02But I never said you stole him from me. I knew that his cousin, right? Rest in peace. I knew about him taking you there. I'm speaking on the fact that before he got to you... I know, and that's what you said. And that's what you said on the phone. You're like, oh, that ain't nothing but some... Whatever you said, we got that ain't nothing. And that's where I left for that. But I was explaining to you the way you kind of like finesse the situation. Finesse what? I won't even say finesse. The way you handled the situation, right? How did I handle it? I gave the nigga back. I'm about to tell you how you handled it.

29:36talking about him. I'm talking about the situation when I called you. That's what I was explaining to you. You talking about when they came? No, no. Damn when they came. I'm talking about when I called you on the phone that morning. And I'm telling you. I didn't talk to you until his brother throughout the 50s left you. Pac, yeah, Pac, listen, no, that was the second time we talked to him when he was at the studio. I'm talking about the time that we talking about with Magnificent. Listen, I'm going to tell you the conversation. I talked to you before then? What's his name? Randall? Rydell? Rydell was on the phone.

30:02Listen, Magnificent was on the phone. The homie rest in peace was on the phone. It was somebody else on the phone. And I'm explaining to you what was going on, how the situation happened. And the first thing you told me was like, Gumby, no matter who I'm with, I always treat you with respect, bro. We're going to keep it that way. The second thing you told me. Was it a lie? No, I didn't say it.

30:21Gumby:When I met you, I met you in a dark parking lot. But you did not, you did not wait. Oh, my mama, listen. I was there. You don't ask me in a dark parking lot. Wait, stop. Listen, no. They was acting funny letting you in the club. Listen, no, they wasn't acting funny. You remember, because Big U was supposed to be coming here. We was waiting. Wait, let me show you. This is the game shit. This is the game shit. Stand on a deal. Listen, listen to me. Baby, B.I., listen, the club promoter is B.I. That's my little homie. Wait, stop listening. So you lied to me. No, wait. No, no, I didn't. I didn't lie to you.

30:47Did you walk in with us? Wait, no, wait, no. Listen, all the guys that were standing on the other side over there, we wasn't stranded, bro. We was waiting on B.I. We was finna come in just like y 'all was coming in. That's why, wait, listen, just like when we came in there, you remember the stage? Remember? Game brought the bus full of bitches. I'm over. I'm on stage. Nigga, you called me over there.

31:06Gumby:You told me who you was. You said you wanted to do the Netflix business. You had to score. That's true. You had been, your murder should have been reversed. That's true. I said, I got to go in and get this business done. That's true. You said, we about to roll in, but you said they acting a little funny. Yeah, because B.I. hadn't got there yet. And I said, well, come on, you and me. Okay, yeah. We walked in behind y 'all. Y 'all did? Okay. That ain't no lie. That ain't no lie. You told me you from who? I said, which one? You from L.A.? Out here. You said, nigga, I'm from L.A. Yeah, I remember.

31:32Gumby:That's the first time we met. I said, come on. Got you in there. That's true. Gave you a bottle. I don't remember the bottle, but I know it. Gave you a bottle. You probably did. I ain't mad. I had 10 of them. I didn't give a fuck. What happened? What did you give them? Some champagne or probably a charade or something. You know, I get 10 bottles. No, Don Julio? Give him a bottle. I got a question, though. Was he parched? No.

31:57What happened with Monster?

32:01Gumby:Which one is Monster? Who is Monster? Monster. What's his name? Monster Club. The club promoter, Monster. Oh, the big you case? Yeah. Okay, so I only knew Monster as a club promoter. Yeah, me too. He would only call me because niggas, he would give them their money. They would run off on him. So I believe Sada is back when Sada Baby got hot. So Sada Baby was in town. He wanted Sada Baby at a little downtown spot. And he like, whack, I want to give you the money. And then I'll give you the money when you get there because I know you ain't going to screw me. So I booked Sada Baby. Boom, boom, boom.

32:38Gumby:It's crazy. So that night, you know how we know how to read the parking lot. I see shit moving around the park a lot, but it's moving in the wrong way, right? And so one of the little niggas come out. I know him. My man Wolf from OVG got a debt. Monster got a debt for like a 60 piece, right? I said, what you doing here? We hit a holler at Monster. Said, for who? Wolf? Said, y 'all can't do that tonight, right? I said, fall back. Let me call Wolf. I called Wolf. I said, he owe you? He said, he owe me. I went in. I said, Monster, do you owe Wolf? He don't know. I know of, right? He said, yeah, he told me what he owed him.

33:14Gumby:He said he been bullshitting him because I know how a wolf is. He telling Monster what he want and Monster just grinned but knowing he can't give it to him. So I say, Monster, what can you do? He said, I can give him$15 now and$5 a month. I said, Wolf, either you take that or he keep bullshitting. He said, whack, cool. Monster tried to give him the money. Uh-uh. You take it to him. You know where he at. That's the last time I seen Monster, right? The next time I hear of Monster is loose cannon era. Right? I don't know nothing about all this other shit, right? So now loose cannon, he started telling me about the distro, the weed and everything they doing.

33:51Gumby:I'm thinking he capping until one day they called my phone together. This is how I know the boy is hot. He'll this October, 2024. He on the phone with monster and they talking about the whole situation that happened. Now, I'm tripping because Monster's like giggling about the shit. And he's the victim, right? No, he wasn't. They talking about the crooked one time. So I'm like this. But the whole Monster say, I got to turn myself in in December. This before I know about the work from 2020 where it started in working, right? So everything I've learned about Monster to know today started from October to now.

34:36Gumby:The Monster I knew, he used to be with the real dark brother. Just book clubs. That's all I knew him from. So I don't know how you knew him. Because I used to do club promotions. I guess I thought when I told you about the situation with Lil Boosie and his brother was fake. Nah, I'm going to do a show. They beat you at the bread, though. Yeah, I'm going. Did they beat you? Did they show up? Well, they had to kidnap Boosie. Well, it wasn't. The show didn't sell? Huh? The show didn't sell? What ended up happening is his brother, right? His brother. Who has been on this show. Yeah, TQ, right? Oh, that's the one we brought.

35:08So this dude right here, what he did is he, a month before the show was to go on, he texted promoters, Monster and fucking BI, and tell him, look, I double booked Boosie, right? So we're going to have to postpone your show. I'm like, what? No, that don't happen. So I'm like, okay, so what y 'all booking for? He said he booked him for$7 ,500 more. so that made the insurance go up. This nigga Boosie, his insurance was high as fuck because he was a whole rapper. I had Boosie plies. I said, okay, well, fuck it. I'm going to give it to y 'all to get him there because on Hova, this was not the contract.

35:44I ain't going to go to court against y 'all. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to holler at y 'all when y 'all get here. Can you scoot just a little bit that way just so the mic is right there? Thank you. Did they show up? Boosie showed up. Well, nigga, that's all you need to show up. I agree. He can't be real. But they were not on the same page about the money. But see, this is the whole thing. You didn't give him his back end? First of all, I'm a club promoter. I don't have your back end. You just got$15 ,000 in your pocket of my money right now. You ain't finna show up here talking about no motherfucking back end.

36:10What was he supposed to get paid? $30 ,000? He was supposed to get paid$25 ,000. He had another$10 ,000 coming. Where's it coming from? It's coming from the venue. He was mad about the venue. They wanted to pay him in a check. Nah, he ain't gonna do that. Wait, I'm telling you. when Jay-Z bought Live Nation, he bought the venues. This is what I had to find out on my own. When he went on his live talking about his back end, I don't have your back end. That comes from the venue in Live Nation. What venue you was at? At the Riverside Ample Theater. Okay. Listen, so that don't have nothing to do with me.

36:41I'm here to see TQ who just beat me out of$7 ,500 because if I hadn't gave him$7 ,500, they was going to cancel the concert. Did the venue pay him? No. If the venue didn't pay him, that don't have nothing to do with me. Did he take the stage? So he got paid. I don't know if he did or he didn't, but I know I lost$52 ,000 in that concert. You lost because of ticket sales? Wait, no. I lost because of all the bullshit they had going on. We had the ticket sales. Didn't go. We couldn't even do no radio promotion. They didn't give us no radio drops. Nothing. He just showed up talking about a back end.

37:10Who didn't give you no drops? They didn't. That's what I'm saying. No. It was contracted? Bro, everything was in the contract. He breached. But I'm saying, I'm thinking he's a whole, you know what I'm saying, he's supposed to be a whole gangster, whatever it is. You know what I'm saying? So he was already mad about the back. He and I had to ask somebody, what the fuck is he talking about with the back in it? I'm looking for his brother. Where this nigga TQ at? Because we got a specific situation. Who was the promoter? You a monster? No, I was the promoter in BI. And BI was the promoter, right?

37:39Gumby:I don't know BI. You didn't know what the hell you was doing anyway. I know that. I understand that, but I know when I'm getting fucked. I know when I'm getting fucked. That's for them, yo. You're supposed to have your team in order, bro. Well, listen, I thought I did until he just put the fast one on me. What year was it? This is in 17, 18. Well, he didn't call me. I hadn't met you yet. Nah, bullshit. Have I? Hell yeah, because that had to be 16, 17. That whole little situation right there, you know what I'm saying, that led to him knowing that his brother Stoke was stealing from him. This is how he found out his brother started stealing from him because of that.

38:09Because of that concert. You know what I'm saying? He came in there with the whole Boosie badass, and I'm explaining to him, look, bro, I understand where you is, I'm saying I fuck with you, but he's mad at Live Nation about his back end. I thought you would have showed it because you and Bootsy look like y 'all could be related. We both from Louisiana. The craziest thing about it is after I did that concert, I flew to Louisiana the same weekend and buried my pops. I'm saying Louisiana. Where's the port of the boots you from? Shit, you can go from Sweetport all the way up to Jackson, Mississippi.

38:35I can stop in every state. Every state. I mean, every city. Every parish. They have parishes out there. Nah. I don't got it. But you know you can't blame Bootsy for that loss. Well, why can't I? Because it's his team. You just said about his team, right? You just said I shouldn't have. Wait, wait, wait. His job is to perform. Wait, wait. His job is also to bring the people who handle his business. No, who's handling his business. Right? This is his team, not mine. Right? I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

39:01Gumby:That's why you can't do business with street niggas. Why you can't? Because they don't understand. Wait, I understand that. You used to do shows. Wait, I just had to pay you an extra$7 ,500 to get y 'all here. Right? That was bullshit. It was money that went in your pocket. Because when I showed Boosie, wait. When I showed Boosie, because I explained to him, brother, all this shit I got on right. You said your back end, I said to your brother. No, I don't have nothing to do with his back end. The venue has to pay him his back end, right? What I'm saying is the$7 ,500 was to get them there, right?

39:30Because his brother just beat me. If I hadn't gave him the$7 ,500, it wouldn't have been no show. That was our headliner. They didn't do no promo drops. They didn't do shit for us. That's where you got a point. They didn't do nothing for us.

39:40Gumby:He just showed up talking about, well, my back end. We didn't promote on Instagram. Hell no, nothing. But aren't the promo drops basically like stipulated in the contract how much social media will be done to promote the show. They didn't do any of it. He was mad at Live Nation. But it was stipulated. Yes. I have my contract and everything, but my whole thing is that I'm thinking, well, wait a minute. He's coming here and let me holler at him in person. Because obviously he's not understanding what's going on here. You're not understanding. Let me tell you what happened. Him and his brother probably weren't talking.

40:10Gumby:Or his brother was probably telling him what he was doing. He was ignoring it. No, his brother, this is when he found out that his brother stole or half a million dollars. That night, he went on Bootsy and said, book me at Bootsy.com. I don't got no manager no more. That was the end of their relationship. And my whole thing with him is that before you got off the stage, I can show you with my phone that we did a duet on stage. Bro, this is how the situation ended. He said, okay, well, bam, yeah, I didn't get that money. I said, I know you didn't. This is why I'm here to talk to your brother. He said, he's not here.

40:39I said, okay, well, look, this is what we're going to do. How are we going to work this out? He said, well, look, how your people get back at me, you know what I'm saying? I got you. I'm and go out here and do the show. And that was the end of that. And they ain't heard from him since. Now,

40:51Gumby:I seen you was up here putting pressure on Adam about things such as you feel the podcast should do for the community. No, no, no, no, no, no. You said they should go over here to a park. I don't know. That's not true. Didn't he say? Yes, he did. He said women and children, cool, but I'm from Hoover. No, you said they need to go to a park, set up a podcast name. Stop, stop, stop. Listen to me. Listen to me. That's not how the conversation went. That's not how it went. You know what I'm saying? This gentleman here, right? He called me and he got in touch with me. We talked and he said, listen, if you come on my show, I'm going to pay you this much and I'm going to contribute something to a worthy cause, right?

41:24In my community. I told him, no, you ain't got to donate. We don't want your money. We can put up a podcast studio in the park for the kids that's at the park. Can you get permitted to do that? Yeah, of course. I'm pretty sure I can. We APL you and all that type of people. My whole thing was that this was a gesture. You don't fuck with the grid, do you? Who? I only fuck with the gang members. I don't know about make sure you don't

41:46Gumby:you ain't got no Nextel I mean no Blackberry I don't I only fuck with gang members okay I'm boots on the ground with mine I'm helping because you know everybody is saying you was super up and they didn't see nothing you did for the community that's crazy that's crazy well um where do I start he was up 5-6-Els he's rich right now he acts like he's rich 5-6-Els first off you don't worry You already know you don't get all that money. You don't get, you don't even get, you don't get, if you got a lawsuit, this is just for the people that don't know. You can probably get about 60%. Not even 60 because this is what happens.

42:23The lawyers, right? They take a third. No, they take, they take, they take 33 and a third. Wait, wait, this is what I'm saying. Then they're going to boost it up to 40 % by all the work they did. They're going to charge you a dollar for the staples. It's like this whole shit. Oh, that's not contained in the other 3%. No, it's not. Listen, and then on top of that, you got to understand, I didn't get the money for like five years. So I was borrowing. And that's the biggest scheme in the world. Because his interest got to go back on that. Bro, interest, it don't stop until you pay him back. So one dude, bro, it just was a bad situation.

42:52But my thing is that what I did with my money is I helped young entrepreneurs in my community. You did a little tricky too, though. Tricky? A little bit. Well, see, this is what happened. I'll be tricking on my girl. Can I just say something to you? This is my whole thing. This is the thing about tricking, right? If I'm fucking with you and you my broad and I'm up, I can't have you looking like all these other bitches, can I? I can't have you, I can't skeet all in your hair and all over you and don't get your shit fixed. Like, so if that's tricky, fuck it, I guess it is. Fuck y 'all, they mad at me because I'm just a bad bitch.

43:23Skeet in her hair. What do you mean? Fuck you mean? I've been in a whole long time. Adam, you better keep your wife away from me. I see her too. Keep her all the way away from me. That's why I just tell you. Keep the bags away from me. You come through slanging that uphill rope dick. Oh, gang, what you mean?

43:36Gumby:I need to know why you made No Jumper, the Hoover Hater Podcast, and the Neighborhood Lover Podcast. I didn't. It's just the way he made it. No, because, wait, listen. Listen, listen. No, listen. No, listen. Whatever him and T-Rail Trail, whatever I hear about his name is, since that time that he was on this podcast, he's been shunning us. No, he brought T-Rail Brother. Wait, wait. Okay, no, we're not talking about. Wait, we're not talking about no guests. No, he got these dudes as hosts right here. They got Brick Baby here. You got Crip Baby here every day. Do you agree that Brick Baby is a great personality for the seat?

44:17Gumby:You may not agree with his antics, as I don't, but for the camera and the people. I believe that he has. For the camera. We ain't talking about the podcast. I believe he can hold people interested. Do you believe that Crip Mac? Jack is definitely a one-of-a-kind. I think he's... For the camera. Yeah, for the camera, for sure. We ain't talking about this. Okay, okay. Four Extras, I believe, took the persona, because I think Jack was the first one I seen talking about his prison fates. Am I right? Is it Jack 5? Is it Jack 5? Jack 5. Jack 5. Yeah, that's who 4X got his whole little clout from. But you can't say that because 4X just came and told his stories.

45:11But he told his story about Jap. That's how he got on, by telling his story about if and Jap. If and Jap is one of our floppers. Did he whoop Jap? That's what they say, but that was only after Jap and fought two or three of his little homies. So they ran him. Yeah, they ran him, and then you whoop him. That's not fair. But at the same time, that's gangbanging, like he said. Oh, we ain't crying about it. Yeah. I'm saying? It just so happened, you know what I'm saying, we won't see the rematch. You know what I mean?

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46:46Gumby:Right? Now, if I got a paper turned over and I'm looking to analytics, I'm looking at the numbers, numbers, numbers, I don't know who's on the other side. I don't know what face on the side. And I'm saying, okay, you know what? Based upon our machine, what we ought to do, what we're strong at, this person right here with these numbers is doing these things. At the time, Blueface run around on top of his own car. He, you know, he didn't create this thing where the kids is telling him what high school is to go. It's a buzz. I don't know. I'm like, this right here. If I turn it over because he's a crip, I'm supposed to say he's a crip.

47:21That's good business.

47:21Gumby:nah, I can't do that and go pick up one of these dudes of blood, but he ain't doing nothing. Right? So the same thing. If the personalities is out there working themselves on social media, if Adam sees it and says, you know what, this dude is this, because we got to remember. I felt like it was disrespectful to bring you up here based upon this relationship with four extras. And that could be, he going to beat you up when he catches you. No, people went on. He goes, I don't know. I don't know. See what I'm saying? You're about to niggas over here. Okay. Not only that. I'm going to get to feel that.

47:54Gumby:Not only that. You dirty. You dirty. See, not only that. He'll get your head. Yuffie start going in on the hand. I say, yo, this is double disrespectful. But people always act like the disrespect comes from nowhere. I mean, 4Xtra was not shy about what he was willing to do to his audience. So you cannot blame him for taking a little bit of blood from it. I never heard him say nothing disrespectful. I mean, he wasn't specific, but we got the idea. But you know what he's talking about. But just the whole thing, even with that situation, right? I think I handled it with some tact. I didn't go in like everybody else could because of this situation right here.

48:30I respect who he say he is because he going to get out there every time and try to prove who he is. That's what I mean about a real nigga. This is why I couldn't let Hawk just sit up and talk bad about a real nigga because we got real niggas for him. We don't need nobody that got a stain on him. So that was that whole situation was about. You know what I'm saying? My whole thing with him is that, like, he was here. Now he got to figure out a different route.

48:53Gumby:What you going to do when Hawk catch you? Catch me? When he catch me? You know, Hawk got a squabble. He do got a squabble. Can I just say something to you? Come on. Even though he may have went to the E, what you call it? Can I just say something to you? The EOP. You can't take away. Bro, no for squabbling, though. We got a bunch of squabblers that did something they didn't do. Can I just say something to you? Can we admit to that? Can I just say something to you? First off, he can't catch me. first off because I ain't running from that nigga a nobody. Right now he's on the run. He's on the run.

49:25Did you say he was locked up? He locked up. I know right where he at. I don't give a fuck where he is. I ain't telling you. You ain't got to tell me. I don't even care. See because this is what happened. Just like what Tank just did. See when you a good motherfucker and you keep it all the way solid. Real motherfuckers gonna always stand up. Remember a lie is always told first. First thing out of a nigga mouth is a lie. The truth always comes second. So mine is a slow burn. All the niggas that helped raise me in the penitentiary, they proud of me right now because I told them what was going to happen.

49:51So a nigga that's just talking, you're just talking. You're like a fart in the wind. We hear you. Now you're gone.

49:56Gumby:So do you agree? Because a lot of this goes off. Somebody will do something to violate, but because the dude can whoop the other dude's ass, he feel like his violation ain't credible. Because Hawk think he can whoop you. Well, this is what he is. And a head of squabble, you think you can. Bro, listen to me. I don't know if y 'all really don't know who I am, but I don't think he can whoop me at all. At all. You know you 50. I know. You still busting down? Not as much. But see, this is the best part about it. This is the Gumby Reaper right here. The whole thing about it is that, see, he want to challenge me, right, for his wrong.

50:37How stupid is that? You PC'd up. Stop, stop, stop, stop. You PC'd up. You did wrong. You want to fight me. I got about 50 nephews. That's your age. That's a fact. That's your ass right now. They ain't going to let that out. Before you even get to me or even speak. First off, I teach my kids, grown men, kids fight, grown men, kill. Period. Play with me if you want to. I don't give a fuck. That go for any and everybody. I got babies. I just had one. I'm going home tomorrow, even if I got to be behind bars. I was behind a glass for 10 years, and mine came. Stay solid. So play with me if you want to.

51:08You went crazy a little bit. No. Stop saying that. I got good sense. I got good sense, bro. I got good sense. You didn't tell me when you was in there,

51:16Gumby:you didn't have your escapades of tearing up your pictures and letters and flipping out. That's just. You got it back right. Wait, that's just. You became the rep on the crypt here. Wait, wait, wait. Stop tearing up. Wait, listen. Tearing up all this letters. You know, crazy shit. That's not crazy shit. That's not crazy shit. Wait, wait, listen. This is the thing, though. A lot of things that go on inside of a sale, right? I was in a sale by myself, so I didn't have a sale. A lot of things that went on in my personal life, people passing away, and just things that's going on. That comes with it.

51:46It comes with it, but I'm left there to deal with it by myself. You know what I'm saying? So my thing is that everybody say you had to be a little bit crazy. I was too scared to be crazy. I don't consider myself crazy. I consider myself an extremist. I'll give you that. And let me explain to you why. You're really blaming him for just going through it and flipping out while he's been locked up for 10 years. I'm blaming him for that. He ripped up some pictures. I'm going to tell you why.

52:12Gumby:I don't even know about that. I'm going to tell you why. Don't worry about how I know. You know, I know something. I'll tell you why. After you got through ripping up them damn letters and pictures that kept you going throughout the day, you regretted that shit, didn't you? Because when you looked up and wanted to read that letter, I looked at that picture that might have kept you going. This is what it was. See, this is what you see. My situation is a little bit different than everybody else. Understand? So I'm in a situation where I'm in a box and my homies is mad at me. the state of California, I'm fighting the death penalty.

52:42I don't get the Mexicans. They, it's on with them. You know what I'm saying? So I'm here by myself. So I had to work. I had to work through all of these situations by myself. I had to say, okay, well, it ain't nobody here, but me. If the homies try to kill me, the Mexicans try to kill me. I got to stay there for me. So I put one picture up on the wall. It was a gang of different ones. I'll show you. I'll show you. It's a gang of pictures all over the wall. They said I was crazy. Then, And that's why I love Cat Wooden. He said, you got to lie to yourself. He had to lie to himself every day. Every day I told myself I was going home.

53:16It was one picture. It was a few different poses, but one person in the picture. See, you was up here acting crazy with that.

53:23Gumby:I wasn't acting crazy. You got good sense. I wasn't acting crazy. He was off a fizzle. Because, you know, we come from that air, the burnt out shit. We know our burnt out homies. And I know the homies that can be burnt out but got good sense. The majority of the homies that got good sense is really the craziest homies. they just know how to you know what I'm saying conduct yourself it's not about craziness what it is is that it's about your extremes when you push a man to his extremes he don't know how to go back that's why I explain to you everybody talking about a body you want a body you want this that I've been in the street since we was 10 years old out here bro literally on Figueroa nigga seen some of everything and did some of everything and my whole thing with that is that look in the end what you gonna do most people can't decide which they gonna do they have regrets they have remorse they have all this shit See, but if you are into something, if you believe 100 % in your philosophy, you don't have any doubts.

54:14Like, my company is called Gig, G-I-G. And I got that from, I was wondering, we was in the hole, and I'm wondering why these Muslims, like, these motherfuckers is crazy. They can put a bomb and go blow everybody up. So we're on the tier discussing what would make a man go to those lengths.

54:32Gumby:Yeah. And that's what an extremist is. You know, I talked to 607-Up. You know, my spies and the exposers found him, found his address, and I did him like I did America Cholo, knocked on his dough. In where, Vegas? Yesterday, yeah, I knocked on his dough. Now, you've been there. You way out the way. Gated all that, right? Quick left, quick right, up on the left. he knocked on his door he opened the door with the cup scared the shit out of me cause the last nigga I seen touched that cup he said something here so he looked at me and I said I told you I was gonna come holler at you and he said are you gonna stay outside or you gonna come here he said how the hell you know where I live I said my spies found you and I know your security leave the same time together to go down there and get lunch you need three to keep one with you I told him I need an apology for my community and I need it on camera what do you do?

55:41Gumby:he diss wait a minute though wait wait wait

55:48in his unofficial defense in his unofficial defense but you probably say that all the time right? now he ain't got no legs wait me personally he ain't got no everybody kill it but we don't go around just talking like that We got our own lingo and the whole little shit. But in his defense, right? What? Munchie B provoked that situation. Definitely did. Stop, stop. So this is what... He definitely did. Wait, let me explain something to you. See, this whole situation, y 'all don't understand the shit that y 'all doing these podcasts. I said that. The shit that y 'all doing these podcasts is the dudes in the streets got to be there to sort out.

56:22We making phone calls to different people. I tell him that all the time. What did Munchie do to...

56:26Gumby:He started saying four questions. You don't let him know you got that hooves on your stomach. He started. He provoked it, bro. This is what pissed me off about Munchie. If he wouldn't have said that, it would have never got to that. That's nothing. What? What you mean that? It's nowhere near as inflammatory as what Unk said. Wait, wait, wait. That's why everybody forgot about what Munchie said. Wait, wait, wait. Listen, in my mama's house, the first wrong, the first wrong, get the ass with me. That's a fact. Listen, the first wrong. Who started it? Okay, so stop. So just stop right there. But it also goes back to you and Hefe, when you started the bullshit with him and King Peele.

57:00Same shit. That's what I said about it. You know what I'm saying?

57:03Gumby:It's the whole thing. You got to remember, Adam's a white dude. His whole thing, if his content is content, we're going to talk about it. Right? It doesn't really dine on him that, like, I think the most dangerous shit he did was when he took the Mexican kid, P-Face or whatever, to the back. Because if them brothers would have known, dude said, I'm NK. Oh, yeah. He would have got whooped. They would have addressed him. He would have got whooped. got whoops in there. Yeah, and you one led him back there. I forgot. No, you did. Because he a white dude, he's not thinking about it. I don't think he forgot.

57:38Gumby:I don't think he's thinking about it. I don't think you forget. Bro, that's not on his radar. But see, this is the thing. This is the whole thing. This is the whole reason how I got here to explain to him how we feel about you. Because the absence, the absence of money. You don't care. Wait, I get that. I understand he don't give a fuck. We don't give a fuck either. I mean, but the whole thing, we're having a dialogue right now. He wants to know. I care. This is the whole, this is the, you're a liar. I want to be good in the Groove community. You don't care. You should want to be. They don't let you do that.

58:02Gumby:They say how you did 4XRs. What? 4XRs took you over there to the 40s. Yeah. And then you turned around and had the grooves come up here and. We didn't disrespect him, though. Nobody disrespects what we do. The dude was calling him something. You was calling him something. No, I did not. I did not. Who was he calling him? Rapper dude. Your homie. Poke. Poke was calling him something. Nubby or some shit. It's possible. It's possible. The funniest thing Hawk said was he looked like a Gumby. He do look like Gumby. You know he's a Gumby character. And it's a hairstyle. Let me just... Do you know what the Gumby is?

58:38Gumby:Listen to me. Let me explain something. See, all y 'all... See, they from the new whole new generation. That's why they all fucked up. I'm from where motherfuckers got big gold chains on them, big K-5 Blazers and riding around with Uzis and shit. So those are my heroes. So all of this shit that's going on right now, the homies be saying, don't do this, don't do that. it's all content and i explained to him that see the internet is a war of propaganda if somebody say something we gotta say something back where it's gonna stick these people don't know what's around the world that's what's going on right now it's a war of propaganda and you are the master of misinformation you and this gentleman here i feel like i'm way more committed to facts than most youtubers i don't feel like we're like manipulating the audience if you see a title on no jumper it's 99 % accurate to what happened yeah but you like this what happens you will see like this this dude will be on your thing and you will see that this dude and this dude get into it and then you will get that dude up there right you will get that dude up there but what's dangerous about what you do this is cool cause it comes out in a couple days man when you take them people on that live that's when I'll be like Adam please bro because people know where they there.

59:56Gumby:I don't know if you're giving this some thought. That's why we got security. What they gonna do with four niggas with AKs? What they gonna do? I'm advising what you do. You better get your ass down. I be trying to tell bro I'm like Adam there's a whole caliber of street dudes. Everything we understand they don't. Their neighborhood is their religion. That's all they know. All they know is these eight blocks that's all they care about understanding the shit that we know to do, they don't hear none of that. It's like they the zombies of the hood and all they know is when we get in the car because that's the problem, they don't give a fuck about not coming back.

1:00:39Gumby:So I'd be like, bro, sometimes sometimes some things, and I don't be trying to I think you be thinking I'm trying to tell you what to do I just be like, bro leave that alone. some things like this is what I was telling you about from the very beginning certain things that That you do and well not even you when you had those guys up here What guys those guys all the neighborhood guys that were hosts what's wrong with that nothing? I got people from neighborhoods are killing nigga behind in real life But so just hear what I'm saying, but what it was was that They were blatantly disrespecting our community.

1:01:164X's wasn't disrespecting. Wait, wait, wait. I didn't. Wait, wait, wait. Listen, Brick did. Let me show you this. Listen. He did pods with him. Wait, wait. Who he did the podcast with? What's his name? Big Deal. T-Rone, brother. I didn't see that. I didn't see that. He went on back on Fig.

1:01:32Gumby:He went on back on Fig. Nigga, that's a G homie. He definitely never said anything. That's a G homie. Who? What you mean? Who a G homie? That's a G homie. Oh, yeah, T-Rone. I'm playing. That's a G-O. You see they put... What, you want to get out? Y 'all some bullshit, bro. Y 'all some bullshit, bro. Y 'all ain't going to tell him that to his face. He bullies the whole scene. But y 'all ain't going to tell him that to his face. Boy shit. He bullies the whole scene. Y 'all ain't going to tell him that to his face. That's my brother. I trust my brother. Look, they got a whole situation with me right now.

1:01:57Smack, Smack just, you know, just... You see that? Smack said, hey, Gumby. Smack said, you can't get that T-Rail without... He said, this ain't about Hoover. This ain't about Troubles. This is back on Fig. It's back on figure finger than all that. Soon as Maxi Gumbi, he gonna say, you know what I mean, you know? No, no, no. I understand his position, though. I understand his position.

1:02:15Gumby:Like, this is the thing, though. So why would you put him in that situation? You know what he was doing? Listen, no. You go at T-Rail knowing that's his co-host. I don't give a fuck. I tried to get him to go at T-Rail. He was not taking the bait. You didn't really even denounce him. Like, Hawk did. Hawk did. Your Hawk said he ain't from the community. Who the fuck is Hawk? Hawk did. Like, let's stop him. Listen, let's stop. Let's stop. Like, that's all bullshit, bro. Come on, y 'all. But the whole thing about T-Rail is this right here, though. Like, this whole situation, it goes back to where he came from and his people, right?

1:02:50Which is the 50s. The homies in the 50s. So if the homies in the 50s don't accept you.

1:02:56Gumby:I mean, when he had Tiger, they was with him. That was the bag. When he had Tiger, they was with him. Well, now he don't. Now, I do remember one of your G homies that was on some other shit. You know what I'm talking about. I was raised up under. You know who my dog is after 50s. I know who that is. You know what I'm saying? Because he damn sure called me. So the whole thing about it is that that whole T-Rail situation didn't really have anything to do with Smack because I know Smack. I've never had a conversation with T-Rail, T-Rail at all. When I first came home, he was on no jumper. So I went through every channel I possibly could go through because you got Treyway up here.

1:03:35you got all the other homies doing that little shit, right? So I took a personal offense that you didn't even, like, I got G homies getting at you, your own brother. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Did you ask to go on a show and he denied you? No, I didn't ever get an opportunity. He just shunned me. I never even heard. Who denied you? I don't know. He didn't deny me personally. You wasn't good enough to sit on the orange couch. He ain't about the community. No, not then. We talking about when he was on No Jumper. Oh, he wasn't either. Listen, that's when he was on No Jumper.

1:03:57Gumby:He probably thought you was going to do some crazy shit. He know he can't control me. I'm not. But why would you have to control me? Just don't disrespect me. Listen, my whole thing is this right here. My who I am is who I am, right? I function with a lot of different people who you wouldn't believe I do. Function with. I'm not even talking about gang members. I'm talking about lawyers and judges and these type of people. He wouldn't bring Gumby on, but he sat with Big U. Who sat with Big U? T-Rell. On No Jumper. Oh, yeah, but he said he looked up to Big U. You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying.

1:04:31Gumby:I think he went over there against him. A lot of people understand something. I'm not downing Big U, his whole little situation. No, what you said was real, though. That's what I'm saying. My whole thing is that because it's the way that I believe. You ain't lying because my whole boy. I'm not going to play with the guy. A very reptable from Inglewood, NHP. Very reptable dude. He didn't. He didn't. I know for a fact. No, no, you're not lying. That's what I'm saying. One thing about me, I'm not going to lie on nobody. Even if it hurt me, I'm going to tell the truth, bro. Come here me out. He was a whole Muslim the whole time.

1:05:01Gumby:We had a whole war with him. A very reputable homie from Englewood NHP, and we have, we shared something in common, told me, because he, I think he's a Muslim faith, but he still gets NHP right. He's from Compton. See, niggas in L.A., they're going to try to sugarcoat it for the coaches. Did he really tell y 'all what dude and what he was from that did it? He just gave it up. Well, I think he was doing it. Because that could have sent y 'all at them on the yard right then. No, we was going to get them on the yard then. But what ended up happening is the older homie who was a Muslim, but he was straddling the fence.

1:05:38And he told us then, he said, look, bro, we're not going to do nothing to it, bro. He's all the way on that side. I straddled the fence with y 'all. He's a complete Muslim. And that, the homie who said that, that proceeded to help him skip through the whole war. Never got touched. Period. Y 'all the one at him. Of course. Why wouldn't we? He wanted the top dudes from over there. why wouldn't he but being that he was a muslim and he's with allah we're not trying to go to war with allah this ain't even y 'all business this is crippling blood shit so why wouldn't big you be in that why wouldn't he no i'm asking you why wouldn't he be in that if he didn't turn muslim he would be a full-fledged neighborhood right and he would be one of the generals and they'd be leading the way i know all of them i just talked to big lunatic frank the other day just called me from vegas i fuck with all the dudes this is my situation ain't like everybody of your situation.

1:06:28You know what I mean? I know these dudes personally. You know what I mean? So I'm not going to sit up and lie on nobody. You know what I mean? Why would I? You don't get a chance to drop your flag. Once you drop your flag, it's done for. That's a fact. And the craziest thing about it, and this is what I understand about all these dudes. That's why you hear me

1:06:42Gumby:say what I say. I'm not a gangbanger, but I'm from where I'm from. This is what I'm saying. See, the whole thing about it is even with the situation with the dude that we keep talking about, the dude with the wings, right? Just because, your military your military just because your military service which is the gangbanging part of our community once that's over with you're still part of our community you know how many dudes we got that used to bang and don't bang no more that's still part of our community we see them at the park with their kids just because you're not from where we from it's like you're not throwing up shooting at people so y 'all not saying he can't be over there no he definitely can't be over there but I'm just what you're talking about bro who why because he had because he took meds no no because he just caused irreversible damage to my community with his mouth.

1:07:31Period. You are a whole soul soldier. A whole cell soldier. You cannot throw rocks from over the fence.

1:07:39Gumby:Did I keep it real with you? You did. You did. I told you what was coming, right? You did, but at the expense of this whole bullshit. Let me show you. Let me show you.

1:07:52Appreciate it. I'm just going to say that. Leave it at that. I let you know what was coming. You did. You did. You did. And I can't even, like, we debated this back and forth a few different times. You're right. Even though it was a play, I can't be mad it fell in my favor. I can't even say nothing about it. I have a question, though. Hoover Long. Where did Hawk get this? He ain't never seen Hoover Long. I feel like you would never say that about somebody unless you really, like, 100 % knew. So it was kind of shocking to see him just backpedal on it, like, immediately.

1:08:21Gumby:Hoover Long been gone about 40 years. Especially given the fact that during our interview, you made it perfectly clear that that is one accusation about your hood that you really don't appreciate. And then for him to put that on a leader and at the backfellow was pretty crazy. Listen, this is what I'm saying. You said something. No, listen to me, bro. First of all, I heard young Ant Hefe say, young Hawk told him this, and he told him that I threatened him with hoover law. That's what he said. First and foremost, bro. I was in prison for 16 and a half years. All of my peers are in prison. Do you think I need Hoover Lawn to do something for me in prison?

1:09:00Like, no, he's given a false narrative. That's not even the whole point. The whole point is because of this right here. Let me show you. He never, he knew he couldn't come back. He has nothing to lose at this point. He has nothing to lose to come at this point. But Hoover Lawn ain't got nothing to do with nothing. No, he don't. So this is what it was. He just wanted to keep going bigger and bigger and bigger. He didn't rant through all the people that's got names from Ronset. Just rant through everybody. The only people I know is... Trey, me, who else? Dog. Dog. Then he went to Treyway. Then he went to Lyon.

1:09:29Them is all the people that people didn't know. Why would you do that? And you can come holler at any one of us on Hoover Street. Why would you do that? That means that you know you're not coming back. I knew the Lyon thing.

1:09:39Gumby:Not coming back. You know that. I don't know. Maybe he was high because he retracted that immediately. He's talking about a great man. I'm going. I'm going. That's one of our elders. You know what I'm saying? highly respected. Not only from our gang. Not only from our gang, just from people in general. You know what I'm saying? He's somebody that's going to teach you how to survive when you think you can't. So this is why we're explaining to you that what he did is completely unacceptable. You don't talk bad about somebody just because you're mad, you fucked up. Ain't nobody here we talking about PC'd up but you.

1:10:12Ain't nobody else is in trouble but you. But you get to get out here and you get to say all these bad things about us and we got to sit back and not say nothing. This is what we had in our community. You know what I'm saying? The whole Bub situation, the Triggs situation, all the homies that's on the podcast. We had to sit down and kind of figure out, you know what I'm saying, what the whole script was.

1:10:28Gumby:See, this is the thing with Bub, though. Bub got to understand that we already got churches. We already got churches. The podcast community, our lane, if it's up on the blogs, we got the content, we're going to talk about it. So he said some things you ain't know. Maybe you need to go to the other lane. Well, he was mad at you for talking about it? He's saying, you know, if it's on the blogs, we're going to discuss it. So he's saying certain things that's pertaining to the streets, although the streets may have been the one to put it on the blogs, we shouldn't talk about it. That ain't how that goes.

1:11:03See, this is what I was explaining to you in our community. You said we got a lot of elders who are like me. I don't really know about the Internet either, right, too much. But I'm here with them, and they're helping or whatever. But I'm trying to explain to them, the Internet is a war of propaganda. That's a war of words. So if we don't respond, we lost. You know what I'm saying? So once he understand that, that means everything is what it is. Once you get on the internet, you're on the internet. And this is the thing with Damn Homie and him.

1:11:37Gumby:I think what people don't know about Damn Homies is Damn Homies been around. She know all the tricks of the trades. She ain't trusting shit. She's always prepared for you to go bad. You see, as soon as he went bad, she had everything. She's supposed to. Audio, screenshots. That's deep in the streets now. You don't want to like that one. It's crazy. Even fucking with Hoot Loops. She pulled up to the studio with a couple of dudes from Bounty Hunters where they're flanking her. The homie whack from Fruit Town. She had the G homie whack from Fruit Town. What it like? So Bounty Hunter J was hosting her thing.

1:12:16The whole thing about it is that that situation, like, I mean, with her and him, like, what did he expect her to do? This is why sometimes when I'm talking, I try to pause and try to get my thoughts together so to come out half-assed decent because I know I got to stand on whatever I say. He was, like, in love with her. Did you see the text? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, my boy, I was really feeling that one, man. He was trying to, but you

1:12:42Gumby:know what she's doing. They're good people though. No, that's my partner. She all right with me. R &B fuck with her. She cool. So why was it an issue when Young Magnificent did the song and video with Broke Till Friday for Main Street? Now, I got a claim fought for this. The rules at the studio. No gang banging. If y 'all want a squad, but you got to come do a song together or you can't come back no more. So as they was there over the months and months and months, listening to each other's music, they just started helping each other and got cool, as you cool with some neighborhoods and some Domus and all that, right?

1:13:26But that's their personal business, right? So in order for him to go and release a song with the main streets, right, he got to say, look, bro, he got to come and talk to the people who's in the streets because we got people that's really over there, they over here, back and forth, whatever. And we got to come to some type of understanding. You can't just go on your own because that's like, wait a minute. You was fucking with them. You was fucking with them. You know what I'm saying? It was him. It wasn't it them. I get that. But that's not how it was going to come out. You know that. That's a fact.

1:13:52He was in there. That's not how it's going to go. So this is the whole point where I was explaining the magnificent is that you're in a position where you're going to have to fuck with all these different people, but you got to be insulated. Like if police want to talk to me, I'm saying, come on, come with me because they want to holler at me. I got to have somebody there to validate what I say. And that's that's all it is. It's just about protocol. Protocol keeps you safe. If you go to the police, they have protocols. That's all it was.

1:14:16Gumby:Y 'all felt like he didn't. Now, if he had brought it to the forefront and said, yo, I met dude at Wax Studio, man, he even gave me some ideas. And it was a song we got on together. He did one for me. I did one for him. It was pretty hot. And we want to shoot a visual to it. What y 'all had. It depends on what the visual was. You know what I'm saying? Most homies would have been like, okay, well, you know what I'm saying? This is what my opinion would have been in that. because I understand that in the entertainment industry, you're going to deal with people that's not from your community. And that's just what it is.

1:14:46You know what I'm saying? Now, if you choose to work with them, you have to work with them with certain guidelines. You can't be all willy-nilly with it because especially if you know this is one of our enemies. You know what I'm saying? So the video would probably have to have been shot where he do his scene over here and they do their scene over there. That's where. Yeah, that makes sense. You know what I mean? So it's just a way about. It's a workabout. That's our workaround. That's all we have to do with the situation. So what's your mission, Gummy?

1:15:07Gumby:What is your mission? What are you? I know you want to do your story on Netflix. That's your thing. Well, that's in the making right now. I got a few different things. Orange in the fire. But that was... 607 said he wanted to do it, but you flipped out on it. I didn't flip out on it. You screamed for four hours. You said from Las Vegas to LA, you said you were screaming loud as fuck. The story about them in the car together is amazing. I got to go re-watch that. That was a great tale. We talked about it. Yesterday went crazy. A-Verb called in. Ooh. Who was he? A-Verb, they grew up in the same projects, had the same witchcraft people.

1:15:45Gumby:And A-Verb started saying, nigga, you know what you was biting and kissing them kids with the demon whoop to whoop. And he said, I wasn't kissing them. I said, was you biting them? He wouldn't answer. Wait, he was biting kids? A-Verb. What the fuck does that mean? A-Verb was trained in the same projects by the same warlords or witches or whatever. They went to school together. They talked for like 10 minutes. Yo, I did two hours and a half hours with him yesterday after I knocked on his door. What? This is a fact. I feel like there's a lot of six or seven own lore out there to be uncovered. No, but a verb is what he said.

1:16:23Gumby:We grew up. He said he lived on the second floor. I lived on the third floor. He was saying he was kissing kids as like a part of like a witchcraft ritual. And biting them. He denied kissing them, but he wouldn't deny biting them. I don't know what that means. I'm not saying it's something that shouldn't be going on. How hard of a bite? I just, I just, that's not, I mean. But he told me he wanted to do the life rice deal with you, but you flipped out. I did not flip out, bro. Like, I keep trying to explain to everybody. Like, I keep trying to explain this is who I really am. And anybody who knows me will tell you.

1:16:59Gumby:So why won't you do the deal with him? It's not even about doing the deal with him. I'm explaining to you once again. he put me and my people in a situation to where somebody could have been hurt he's out of town dude he don't get it and i get that and a lot of it was was i take a lot of responsibility for it's not about us doing the deal it's about us having to understand it right and with me is if i understand you right and i i'm listening to all the your wishcraft and all the other shit you got going on, right? And I'm not next to me. I don't, I don't say if this, if it floats your boat, then I'm not going to say nothing mad about it.

1:17:37Right. But the way that I am, right. You can't tell me to put down my guns and believe in God. My God, I do. I'm a very firm believer in God, strong in my faith. And I believe in my God, got me Glocks for a reason. Cause everybody is not as faithful as I am. You know what I mean? So you can't be upset at me for making sure that my security. My security ain't your security. I feel threatened way faster than you do. You know what I'm saying? He threatened me with the dude Tony Warridge and this is where we go back to Tony Brickbaby now. See, none of my homies would have got up here. The gay recruiter from Texas.

1:18:10No, that's definitely not who he is. Not recognized by Gumby. No, not even recognized. That's the one Brickbaby

1:18:17Gumby:was making pass. Yes, I don't know nothing about that. What? They're just being homies. They was talking about, do you want a 6-inch or 12-inch sub? They were talking about – they actually had a pile of subs, though. Remember? Kripp back gave them one. Yeah, we don't even play like that. It was crazy. See, this is my whole point with that. See, you wouldn't have – none of my little homies would have even entertained that dude. You know what I'm saying? We don't play. We want the real ops. We don't want nothing like this. That's going to make the whole community look bad. This is what's called with morality.

1:18:45You know what I'm saying? Like, when they found out who it was, like I heard what Brick Baby was saying, oh, I didn't know it was him finna come, this, that, and the other. when you found out you would have never I would have never been on there with no dude talking about he from I got niggas I got real niggas now watch your brick here he from 6-0 this is what I'm saying he don't care about what that looks like who wants to know that you're Adam the one put him in play to do that this is what I'm saying I believe that too it didn't show up it didn't show up I was like America at the time I broke your I was on my honeymoon with that one that was the bullshit I did that was bullshit and my whole point with that is this right here our community we wouldn't even play like that because we know who our enemy is and we know if our enemy was here Joe has to be dead in the bathroom we fuck with real motherfuckers niggas that's coming here right now we know where he at because they got guns and we got ours them is the ones we play with so we not going to even entertain this dude right here because the ones we fuck with they ain't you every community got homosexuals that's not what I'm talking about I'm not denying that at all everybody got a homie doing some shit Yes, they do.

1:19:50And this is what I'm saying. I got a whole list of motherfuckers, right? Because, see, that's my whole thing about it. I keep trying to explain to y 'all. Everything that they saying about my community, we being homosexuals, all that shit with Fat Rat and them, that was 30.

1:20:02Gumby:Yours were just exploited on the internet. I agree. And that's what I'm saying. Everything they're talking about is 30 years ago. And in the new shit, everybody. No, that wasn't 30 years ago. Fat Rat and them was 30 years ago. Well, there ain't no Fat Rat. It was other shit. I know. Just stop. And I'm trying to. I don't know the dude's name. If you let me explain, and each and every one of them dudes are no longer from our community. Period. I don't know. I'm letting you know. All that shit came out, right? Okay, so this is what I'm saying, though. It's also been other shit with other communities on there.

1:20:28And wait, then they're talking about the whole prison shit. Bro, I was in jail with all these dudes. I know them firsthand who was doing what and what was going on. Yeah, I mean, listen. But if they keep playing, I will break these niggas' hearts. It's a lot of dudes. I will break these niggas' hearts.

1:20:41Gumby:I used to see dudes in the cell with a punk and go on family visits with the swat. They swear to God. Swear to God. It's crazy. Reptible, dude. Reptible. From everywhere. And I got a whole list, so they better quit playing with me because I will break these fools' hearts. Your biggest homie is a homosexual. That's crazy. So you said that situation that came out like three, four years ago, they no longer from the community? Who? What's his question? The dudes that was the one in the fishnet stockings? First of all, he was never from our game. He was from H.R. Gangster. That was not my homie. No, you can't say that.

1:21:12That's what he said on the end. You talking about the dude in the fishnet, they caught him? He said, I already talked to the big homies? No, no, that's the dude. Okay, that's what I thought you was talking about. I don't know, but that's what I thought you was talking about. I had to expose that. Okay, I don't know about that.

1:21:20Gumby:He talked about the dude that was on the thing, on his knees, baby oiling himself up with the high heels of the fishnet. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Then you had the other two dudes. Then you had the other two dudes. He's no longer from our gang. Then you had the other two dudes. They're no longer from where we're from. they can no longer come to the he was proud of it he didn't give a fuck you know what he said one dude was performing fellational the other dude while the female was videotaping he said y 'all mad y 'all just mad cause I'd do a better job than your woman he gave it up and said he's a rider that is some weirdo shit right so this is our community this is all spancy but I haven't seen nothing since then my community because of all the gay bashing and everything that's been going on, right?

1:22:03Our community is one of the most homophobic communities there is at this point, bro. I haven't seen nothing since then. That's what I'm saying. None of that shit is tolerated, especially with the young homies. They wait. It's not my whole thing. This is what I was speaking about with the faux extra shit and the rumor that was in jail. He never admitted to that. Wait, wait, wait. He said his homie did it. Wait, but this is the thing, though. It doesn't even matter if he did it or he didn't. I'm speaking about the climate. The climate. The climate that it elected, right? it elected some blood dude to do it to an East Coast dude.

1:22:32He put a pickle in the dude's ass and then the little blood dude, the rapper little dude, he went in the cell, took a fade with his homeboy, I mean took a fade with his enemy and then his homeboy is saying he busted out because the enemy dude was acting like he was going to stab him. This is the climate they got in jail. You don't know if a motherfucker going to knock you out and fuck you or stab you or whatever. We're supposed to be just fake. This is the climate. You can't say that. You can't say it. It's the climate.

1:22:57Gumby:In defense, other this era. Okay. In defense of this era. Niggas getting knocked out. Niggas getting knocked out and violated. Been going on from way back. Wait, stop. Wait, stop. Listen. Listen. Wait, stop. Listen. Come on, bro. I'm trying to explain to you all of that shit is prehistoric shit, bro. We don't do that. What I'm saying is what's going on back then. It was, but none of my homies not, you can, listen, we don't even play a day. If you're getting knocked out, a motherfucker probably piss on you or do some nobody is never finna, that's what's the difference the difference the difference is that when you penetrate in a man right in any type of way stop wait this what's the what's the we talked about that out what's the difference between him knocking you out and sucking your dick or him knocking you out and putting carrots in your ass it's all gay shit yeah that we don't condone and we don't play in i don't give a fuck we call the biggest op nigga gonna whoop you out but he'll never come in here and say that we touched you the way that we wasn't that was the old way that was the old way and wait Okay, he never copped to it, but I'm trying to explain to you.

1:24:00The dude who said it to him or who put it out there. You said it happened to a dude that was handicapped. I said that this is the rumor. If I was the leader of a gang, for sure, I would say, yo, we're not putting carrots in anyone's ass. Like, let's at least have some basic decency. Even the Geneva Convention had rules of war. This thing that you can do to show that you're not human. We ain't never practiced But somebody puts a carrot in my homie Do I gotta go get my head back? Do I gotta bust out the pickle? I don't know I'm not gonna never wait

1:24:37Gumby:We don't know nothing about that What's his name? I don't speak on names I don't know his names I'm just saying this is the rumor This is the climate that they got going on And I'm saying that that climate didn't come from us The booty stuff didn't come from the hovers That sure is so disrespectful you got old Why is that disrespectful? That's disrespectful. You know what I'm talking about. You don't see it? That shirt is so disrespectful. Oh, because he's got a blue rag. Okay. Yeah, but do you understand why it's disrespectful? Because he was moving around with bloods? No, I don't care about that.

1:25:10Gumby:I don't feel disrespectful, bro. No, no, no. I don't care about that. This is an icon, bro. You know what I'm talking about. I don't know. You always on bullshit. I love you, bro. You always on bullshit, bro. He got Pac on his shirt. Okay. with a blue rag on his head. And that's what supposedly underlined me was the biggest blue rags. Oh, okay. That's what they say. So you're on some drill shit, huh? That's fucked up, Gumby. Not at all, bro. Yeah, man. That's an icon. Everybody think I hate on Tupac for something. Oh, you do? You do? I watch you. Where? Okay, okay. Here you go right here. Just like we were just talking about certain shit that you ain't supposed to say.

1:25:49Give me one. Just out of, just out of, courtesy to everybody else is certain shit that you shouldn't say. What I said I shouldn't say. I can't speak on it. Wait, I'm not capping. I said, no, wait, listen. I'm going to talk around the situation because I don't remember exactly what you said. What it was was that it was basically that

1:26:10Gumby:I said he wasn't a gangster. He was more of a revolutionary. Okay, keep going. What else? What was more of a revolutionary? I said, you guys, make him look bigger than what it is like shooting the police. Me and you both know, we got homies that all did it. When a homie say I'm going to get out on the police and walk up, that's a different type of homie. Versus you having an altercation with an off-duty nigga in plain clothes and you pop at him and realize he's the police. Because if you'd have known he's the police, you probably wouldn't have popped at him. Versus the homie that knew this is the crash.

1:26:43That was two different situations. Right? Okay. But at the same time, they both popped at the police. You know what I'm saying? At the same time, at the end of both of those scenarios, the end result was that the police were still going to pop.

1:26:54Gumby:I commend him for popping at the white boys for trying to get him off the brother anyway. But all that saying, pop went over there and did that to the police. He didn't know that was the police. Okay, but at the same time, it's not his fault that they ended up being the police and he ended up looking that way. It's not his fault. It's still the same shit. I called him a follower. Sheep. Everywhere he went, he turned into that. Keep it real. When he went up to the bay, he had the gumby. But in his defense, in Tupac's defense, he was an artist. So he was able to shape himself to whatever his surroundings.

1:27:33Gumby:I got homies from the bay down there, my nigga Frisco Chuck. Nigga from Fillmore. Been down there 17, 18 years. He don't do nothing but Frisco. He ain't crippling. He ain't bloody. He didn't wear clubs. He didn't come from that, though. Tupac didn't come from that. He came from up north and then went to New York, right? No, he came from New York. Yeah. His first name was MC New York. Baltimore. New York, Baltimore, Bay. New York. Yeah. Then here. Okay, okay, yeah, okay. I had to comment. But I'm going to know what I said disrespectful. Well, I didn't say it was disrespectful. I said there's certain things that you shouldn't just say.

1:28:03Like what? Tupac's public image would not have survived the clubhouse era, given all the stuff that he did that, given the current level of scrutiny that we give people, would just... I mean, he probably wouldn't have done those things if he was alive in this era. No, he wasn't a rapist. He's a rapist. No. You need to be quiet. Wait a minute, homie. You can't be calling anybody on my shirt no rapist. Hold on. Did you watch the Vlad interview with the victim? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead. When a nigga hit the yard. Okay. You a dirty motherfucker. Outside of Y.

1:28:38You a dirty nigga, bro. Outside of Y. No, stop. You dirty, bro. Because you finished. I was about to say, You're playing politics on him. When a nigga hit the yard in the state penitentiary

1:28:48Gumby:and that paperwork come down and say a sex crime on a woman, how does it go? You're going to get bust on and get up off the yard. So tell me, here go the problem. You older than me, two years. You're 50, right? I'm 48. But wait, though. But wait, though. I didn't make the rules. Well, you didn't. But wait, though. Let me show you something. Let me just show you something. Did he was in there chilling? Wait, wait. Just listen to me. Let me say something. He ain't got a sex crime. But he was charged with stuff of that nature. No, he wasn't charged with sex crimes. There's a video of him throwing his bitch on the ground, right?

1:29:14He has no sex crime charge.

1:29:16Gumby:Okay. All right. He got freaky crimes, but he ain't got a sex crime. Freaky crimes. Yeah, man. Now, come on. No, bro. I want to know what I said. You gummy. Usually when you say something, you're going to put the facts on the table. I did. I just hit the blood. Blame it on the blood. I just forgot what we just was talking about. Tupac. Okay, but I'm saying that. Yeah, but you was talking. That's why I said you was dirty, because I knew you was going to go to the prison situation, right? You knew I was going to use what we're talking. Wait. Wait. Yes.

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1:30:39you've had open for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online make sense? There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up required, compatibility and availability varies 18 plus. And they had sexual charges. That was false, false. No, listen. Yeah. No, they had sexual charges on them and they were still on the main line. Listen to me. They don't go like that. What kind of charges? They had sexual rape charges. Listen to me. Why y 'all didn't tend to it? Because this is what happened. And for a long time, the blacks wasn't tripping on those type of situations because you had these high-ranking gang members who had these type of charges.

1:31:18Gumby:Selective politicking. Everything is relative. But when somebody else come in who ain't high-ranking with them, niggas giving the order to blast him. Tupac would have been able to get away with fucking anything in there. Nah. Tupac? Nah. That goes back to Tupac. Tupac got hit, too. Did you tell him to go PC? Nah, nah. Are you sure? I didn't. Okay, well, whoever told him that. But I believe this. I believe he should have been in CMC day one anyway. But this is the thing, though. He from Canada. He don't fall up under no script. This is what I'm saying. But this is what I'm saying. Bro don't fall up under no script.

1:31:49He don't. But when you go PC, you lose all your rights on this side over here. I didn't know that y 'all was a PC, y 'all. Yeah, you lose all rights. Don't nobody care about you anymore. Like Tory Lanez. Like, motherfuckers have sent him a CMC purse anyway. But you have to choose the PC up. You have to say, okay, I can't be. I'm not sure but see PC no he was on the whole PC S and Y yard that means he went from the gate I don't think so why not the 50-50 yard no 50-50 that's all the PC though let me ask you something

1:32:23Gumby:how many prisons don't be left where niggas can go cause they mix it all of them this is the thing though they have holds set the rules and protocol for dudes who are in prison and you're supposed to be active Tory Lanez from Canada. He don't claim cripple blood or nothing. Okay, so stop. So he shouldn't have went and checked his nuts in to the police. He didn't check his nuts in. He did. He went PC. He didn't go EOP. He on meds too. Bro, he's on a camera getting hit 14 times. I understand that. He's on a PCR. He's a public figure. He's a public figure. You know when he come from that hospital, they already looking at It's a lawsuit.

1:33:05Gumby:You know it's a lawsuit. I got the wrong video. It is. It is. It's a lawsuit. Ain't nobody getting hit 14 times. The police, you can see through the dome, is at the bottom. Nobody hit an alarm. No mace. No gunshots. No nothing. You got two at the bottom. They serving breakfast, so they supposed to be supervising. Gun tower up top. Gumby, we can see the prison right here. Ain't no way you getting hit. And when you look in the dome mirror, the police at the bottom of the staircase. well you know the thing about that whole situation it's a conspiracy theory wait listen he could have pissed off one of the CO's prison is a different beast I understand that but we know everybody ignored it what does that tell us they're serving breakfast in the building the police is doing what during that time they're watching the staircase he's getting hit on the staircase he is screaming help help help.

1:34:02Gumby:You can hear it. No movement. Nobody ever approached him. No buzzers hit. No nothing. Tory Lanez for the record is from Canada. He ain't obligated to fall up. None of his crippling blood shit. Let me explain to you what happened with him. When he took himself and gave himself to the police and said that I can't stand on my own ten toes. Wait stop. Caved himself to the hospital. No I'm not talking about when he got stabbed. I'm talking about when he PC'd up. He didn't know that, bro. He went from L.A. County to reception. He don't know. He's sitting in reception waiting to go somewhere he can buy a TV.

1:34:41Gumby:Tory Lanez ain't like one of us know what's going on. I get that. He knows what PC is. He knows what people are going to say. No. He made that choice. No. He made the choice, bro. No, he didn't. Come on, bro. He made the choice, bro. Like, before something happens to even. Bro, bro, hold on, Gumby. Go ahead. I'm listening. When his ass is in reception, they looking at his C file. Mm-hmm. They see who he is. are they going to send him to a hard yard or a soft yard? To a soft yard. Right. But not a PC yard, not a PC yard. Listen, just like they have one, they got one 80 and two 70. One 80 is, is high desert.

1:35:13That's where we opened up. Me tanking all the mother food. We opened up high desert. That's one 80. That's, that's kind of, that's bedrock. Okay. And you got the two 70 where you come down to Calipat and they got drugs. They got all the type of shit. You know what I'm saying? Prison is a different society. Right. And what I'm saying to you is that, look, you know, I voted against him. He's an entertainer. I get that, right? But even entertainers are people.

1:35:37Gumby:We should be in jail. The nigga railroaded. What would have happened? You would have some amnesty. You was railroaded. I agree. And lied on. No, that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about him giving his nuts up, bro. No, he didn't. Let me show you how he did. He moved like a civilian. Okay, listen. You got civilians in jail that ain't PC. Listen, let me ask you. What was the worst that would have happened to that man if he went to jail? I mean, went to general population. I don't think he. I don't think he asked where to go. He just went where they sent him. They're not going to send him to PC because when you go to PC, you got to sign papers.

1:36:06You got to do some shit. You just can't go there. I think it was over 50-50. Even if it's a 50-50 or, right? With Tahatchim?

1:36:14Gumby:Tahatchim used to be one of the spots, too. They turned out all the spots. Folsom ain't fucked up, is it? No, Folsom still. Soledad ain't fucked up. Listen, Soledad's a lower level. All of that, but he ain't fucked up, though. All of them fucked up. every prison you go to, why you think every time you see him, what's that felony clout? They're killing them. They're killing motherfuckers because they're sending lifers on the yard with PCs and that's what all this killing is. You got away from that Tupac hate. When y 'all be telling me I'm doing something wrong, I'll be wanting to know what I do wrong.

1:36:45Hey, the other day I interviewed Stew Boy Blue and he just said, yeah, I was on a 50-50 yard. He don't give a fuck. He just fully said, fuck it, I don't care.

1:36:53Gumby:And then I want to know, Gumby, because you've been sitting back watching. I want to know, what have you seen me do that you say is wrong? Well, shit, we got a whole list. We ain't got you yet. We still don't have it right now, bro. No, that's do him. That's do him. He don't know he was. The whole point with you is that you told me something the last time we talked, and it sunk in. You said, I'm not a gangbanger like that no more. So I got to think of more of the lines of you're more of a business person, and it's going to go, you're like a lesser of Adam, but you know more than Adam. Adam got the whole dumbfounded.

1:37:33Oh, I didn't know. But you can't use that. No, I can't. This obsession, what you do, is you bulldoze everybody. A lot of things. I'm being who I've always been. You got homies been locked up with me. I agree, but wait. What did they tell you? That nigga, that's him. Okay, but wait, though. I'm saying right now, you guys are in a position, right? I was speaking to this, even with him. There's certain things that you have to weigh whether or not you want to say. What? Just like anything negative that you want to say about an icon like this dude. Even if it's true or not. Wait, even if it's true or not.

1:38:04Are you not trolling him with the shirt like you said? No, this is my partner. I fuck with him. Oh, okay. That's my partner.

1:38:09Gumby:You know the Crips got him out the way. He put a blue rag on his ear. Oh, man. Come on. Can we all just get along, bro? What the fuck are we doing here? Or is it a graphic designer just having fun with it? You're saying that entertainers are off limits? No, not at all. Not at all. Not at all. No, I'm not saying that. I'm speaking in regards to if I respect somebody or if I respect they work and I know something that may not shed a good light on him. Instead of me saying it out loud, I'll let somebody else say it or I won't even be involved in it because. What's wrong with respecting his entirety?

1:38:43Nothing. Nothing's wrong with that. I'm just speaking for me, myself.

1:38:50with Nipsey Hussle, even though he's from the neighborhood. As a matter of fact, I did two concerts with him as well. As a matter of fact, one of the promoters. What happened with Nipsey? Oh, man, he was a whole... You said I disrespected Nipsey? What's the difference between Nipsey and Crip Mac? Two different years. Night and day? But they both got your hood wiped out. Okay, but this is the thing, though. It's a big difference between... Wait, stop. I don't know how Crip Mac is the problem. Because he's nowhere around. I don't know. I'm going to be real. He's nowhere around.

1:39:16Gumby:Without me saying too much. There I grew up in, he would not have made it. The whole thing about it is that his making it is depending on you. No, he's not. He's in the feds right now. I understand that, right? He's in the feds right now. That's my M &M. I'm sorry? I'm just saying I discovered his talent early on. He's an icon. So you're saying I said something disrespectful about Nipsey? I'm talking about Cooke. I said that what you said, if it's the truth, it can never be considered disrespect. But what did I say? Spider-Man meme. What happened? What did I say? What did I say? What did I say?

1:39:55Wait, wait, there's bullshit going on. I've never said nothing. What I said is that, like, the things that you say, you say is not disrespectful. I feel that you feel they're not disrespectful because you may feel they're the truth. And the truth can never be disrespectful. It's just the truth.

1:40:09Gumby:Now, Gumby, you watch me tell a person quick you want to bet? Mm-hmm. You know my type. You know what I say. No nothing. But you know what I say about anything you want to bet. Yeah, that means you already know what you're talking about. I get that part. I was in jail too. Stop it up. What I'm saying is that, look, this is a Tupac situation. You said what you said bad about him. One of my favorite rappers. This is what I'm saying. So just with me, in my regard, if I hold him in any type of esteem, you know what I'm saying? You don't think he did no busting shit? I will. I will. I mean, we can call the ball a strike a strike.

1:40:42A whole bunch of motherfuckers did bust and shit.

1:40:45Gumby:That day, do you think if Pac would have been by himself walking through Caesars and seeing Baby Lane and he was solo, you think he would approach him like that? Or you think he did it because he was 30, 40 homies? Keep it real, Gumby. I don't know the man personally, but just from my observation and knowing different situations that happen, the majority of motherfuckers wouldn't approach that man by themselves. That's just the truth. That's my point. That's just the truth. You get emboldened with the people that's with you. You know what I mean? That's just the truth. The dudes I respect, now I done seen.

1:41:14Gumby:Oh, I done seen it too. We got homies that's going to push up no matter what. No matter what. That's all I'm saying. Don't do nothing with a group of niggas that you wouldn't do if he was dolo. And it's a lot of key ways that I tell you. I done ran into whack, 30, 40 deep, and he didn't change. You know what I'm saying? So my thing is, when he did that, I'm like, bro, you wouldn't have did that if you was. And now from that came this. And now you in here, you can at least put the one with the thorns around his head. You come in here with the very same bandana that sit him, that sit his ass. Sit starter.

1:41:53See, who's a sit starter? This dude right here, I don't even know. Am I lying? You letting people just run wild on your show. He's just kicking up dust every fucking day. Am I lying? About just bullshit.

1:42:02Gumby:So, Gumby, am I lying? You saying this is just something I should be talking about. No, that's like not even an issue that we need to talk about. Who did what? We got all that. We talking about a dude who got Dear Mama, bro. I love that song. You know what I mean? I love my mama. You know what I mean? Just like you do. I love me against the world. Be and my girlfriend. We not going to politic on pot today. You know what I mean? We'll say that for another time so I can get a little bit more world versed. I fucked with Biggie too, though. Me too. I was a Biggie. Who shot you? Warning. That's the one.

1:42:29The warning. Warning is the one. Okay, as long as we're politicking on people, though, how you feel about Treyway cooking up with the apron on with his booty cheeks out? That was Photoshop. Wait, really? they say he was going to say that. They say what they want to. They're going to always tell you what the truth is and turn it into a lie. I think his girl might have took the picture.

1:42:49Gumby:I just felt like he was fucking around. And now it's being weaponized. He was pulling the Melvin. It's not some gay shit. He's just joking. I don't even think I want to talk about my homie with his cheese out. Ain't nothing wrong with him cooking breakfast for his girl Melvin on Baby Boy style. Maybe he was doing laundry. I don't know. Nothing wrong with that. I agree. I had pillow fights and everything with my girl. We ain't talking about what we're doing with our girls. We're talking about some gang shit. Y 'all forgetting what you're here for? But I wasn't no man in the damn picture. He was there by himself.

1:43:18I seen him. He put my face in. I seen all the little bullshit. And see, that's why your ass is running scared in there right now. Who? No, no, bro. See, listen, there's certain things that you're not supposed to do. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's certain things. Like, this is everybody who called and they're asking. Like, bro, how everything that his whole content was down in y 'all, everything from the very beginning was down in us. That means that he has something. No, that. He was defending himself. No. No, no, that's not true. He attacked me because of the King Peel situation. That's what started it all off.

1:43:50He was wrong for that. Okay, so this is what I'm saying, though, because this is the thing, though. He was wrong for that. But wait, what did you do with King Peel? No. I didn't do nothing to him.

1:43:58Gumby:Him taking King Peel them down doing that. Completely wrong. Because he could have triggered something between that and that. And he wouldn't even be here for it. He's from down there. This is what I'm saying. It's not. It's not. Everything. Everything. Right. Like I keep saying, everything that happens on his podcast is, if it's not half ass baked, right, it's going to fall into the streets. Like the situation was 607 and what he said. You know what I'm saying? And so, like I said before, unofficially, you know what I'm saying? His whole thing was that how he was approached. That's what brought it out of him.

1:44:28That wasn't even. No, I said that. That wasn't. He wasn't even. If his conversation were to veer to the right, he would have never even said that. But being that this is the conversation, he got to prove that this is what he is. And this is the slogan that he know to prove what he is. And that's what came out. You know what I mean? But he was provoked. It was pulled out. You know what I mean? That's just the truth. We had this situation. We had a lot of things that went on.

1:44:48Gumby:So you think I was wrong for demanding an apology to the community? I think that was helping him. No, I don't. And I did it in a respectful way. No, no, I don't think. I think it's helping him. Now people might run into him and be like, you know. I don't think, no. Anytime you do anything wrong or you wrong a man or a community and you already apologized for it, you should always be able to apologize and help people understand what the situation was and why it happened. Like, I just explained the situation. You know, he was egged on to say that. No, no, I ain't disagreeing with that. I told you that.

1:45:24Gumby:We can watch it. He started antagonizing about the 40s and the Hoover. and you eliminate the gay conversation. Why does everybody want a baby unk? Oh, I don't. I don't want to get handicapped or something. I don't. Anyone who said that word on a podcast would get the exact same amount of stupid. Adam, you're being a hypocrite. No, my whole thing. You're being a hypocrite, Adam. No, wait, stop, wait, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. You're being a hypocrite, Adam. I didn't say it. We only talking about the first part. What? You said what? Hold on. Hold on. Let me sit back and watch the show. I'm going.

1:45:53Gumby:What's he saying? Hold on, wait. I'm going to hear this. Wait. You never said it? You never played with it? 607 posted a picture of his podcast set. Don't say it, but you know what you're texting. And I responded on Instagram via DM. You said S word podcast. I said S cast. Yeah. Because it looked like shit. Oh, okay. What I'm saying is he's not that. He texted him that. Okay. He texted 607 that. No, I DMed that. Wait, okay. Okay, wait, wait, wait. He's not that, so he's not offended by it. and I wasn't using it in that way. I was saying your podcast looks like shit. Hey, yo, man. How much was some shit?

1:46:33Gumby:How much marijuana gold was that? I got these to sell covered. What is that, like 300? Nah. Probably like 150. It depends on what I put in it. Nah, bullshit. Ray J rolled blunts and it's$85 a week. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. It don't cost me. It don't cost me, but then usually I put wax in it, moon rock. So it's all kind of shit in there? not right now just two different highs yeah perks no not perks the homie said I had Viagra this motherfucking is bullshit Viagra five hour energy look at y 'all see I don't fuck with that I ain't never fuck with that but at the same time bro the whole thing is that like y 'all we all got a responsibility about what we say especially you Adam why especially me what you mean oh my god look at this freaky frog what the fuck bro like what does it say Joe Boxer let me get a whiff Hey, is y 'all serious?

1:47:26Hey, look, we will not be doing that in here. You see what I'm saying? I smell the drawers in here. Like, for real. I'm a musty.

1:47:34Gumby:No, ain't no musty. Nah, in a good way. Fuck out of here. Damn. You a porn star. You a porn star, too? No, fuck it. Dead homies. I don't do swore fights. No, ain't no man in my room. No, I'm talking about... He do... I've seen him... No, he be doing high fives with me and in the chain. Oh, that's all, Adam. With real members. No, real members. what members from where where they from let's not get into it a lot of guys in the game are connected shout out my boy Ray Black Ray Black I had a G homie that was into the porn game my big homie Thump a lot of representation yeah where they from look at Rico Strong I just seen the dude everybody throwing eggs and shit Brian Pumper I just seen him the other day on like Avalon and like a honey for real people tell me he lives in Riverside he was walking was he wearing all white he had on white tank top white skull cap some gray sweats and some Air Force One find him get me BP I'm gonna ask you a question that I know you worried about I'm not worried about it cause I didn't kinda detach from a lot of it where do you see the streets as far as people's neighborhoods on what's going on.

1:48:51Gumby:Olympics is coming. Gentrification. Snitching and telling is at an all-time high in the next five to ten years.

1:49:04The question is, where do I see the streets?

1:49:06Gumby:Where do you see the streets? Do you see it going to some place? It's already a place we never thought it would be. But with gentrification going on, Olympics is going to happen, so they're going to be extra cleaning up. The feds is picking up low-hanging fruit because it started with the mob shit. They shut them down. Then it went to the BMF style movements. They shut them down, right? Then it went to the fraud shit. They didn't shut that down. Now they're picking up. They're giving niggas federal gun. They're picking up bullshit, right? But where do you see it going? Because the streets can go any way, right?

1:49:44Gumby:You see it kind of diminishing, disappearing? Murder rate out of all-time law. That's a fact. It kind of says it all. This is, that's not true. That could spike within. True, true. You see more people being forced out of their communities? Of course. Due to being brought out gentrification? Listen, this is the thing, though. The jobs. What are the jobs? I mean, all the, like the black community in South LA, you know what I mean? Like, over where we at, you know what I'm saying? Like, we have a different set of rules for us, even with the police. You know what I'm saying? They're saying gentrification.

1:50:18We already went through that already. A lot of people that's from our community who still give back to our community don't even live over there anymore. This is where we come from. This is why we have everybody to understand that where we're from, this is our way of life. This is how we were brought up.

1:50:32Gumby:It's already, bro, I think 40 % of what niggas' hoods was is everywhere. Yes, yes, yeah. Arizona, Vegas, Antelope Valley, Montana. You know what I'm saying? It's the government. Of course they're moving everybody out for a reason, though. But what I mean is this right here. This is an opportunity for black people. I'm saying because. It's been like 40, 50 years, however long this game bank shit. OK, but it's of showing like 60s or 70s of trying to show each other who the hardest. That's some bullshit. Wait, wait, wait, listen. So that's bullshit. While we in jail. Right. We have to unite. You know what I'm saying?

1:51:13A lot of people that I depend on.

1:51:15Gumby:Well, yeah, you went to the pen. I went to Penn in 94. You were J number? J89384. I'm J49170. So you was in there when that man died in Cork in 95 and called that shot and they came together. So, you know, I totally understand because I was part of that movement. This is what I'm saying. My whole thing is that enough people that were there and seen the situation where it was, it was beautiful. All the blacks together, Crips, Bloods, everybody. Like, if it's a blood OG on the yard and he got the yard, every crip on the yard got to listen to this man. You know what I'm saying? That's power. He was built.

1:51:50That was power. That was real power. I remember one time. So it's not that it can't be done. It's just not enough people willing to sacrifice. They say, dummy, you could have got your bread and left. Left and go where? Go where? I'm a hero in my community. My people love me. You can get a mansion in Kenya for$140 ,000. I know. But who I know in Kenya? You can get to know some people. You can be so bored. That's what I was about to say. I did that already. I bought property in Florida. I was out there twiddling my thumbs. All I see is bitches with fake asses everywhere. Like, this is just, what are bitches with the bullet wounds and stretch bars?

1:52:22Like, there ain't nothing that shit out there. But, wait, nothing that shit. That's right. It wasn't, you know what I'm saying, conducive to what I had going on.

1:52:29Gumby:Why did y 'all get mad at Aunt Heffy about reporting what was already on the internet? Y 'all didn't get mad at the news. They didn't get mad. They just asked him to take it down, right? Yeah, but why did he get mad at it? Well, I don't know who asked him to take it down. He ain't say nothing wrong. He just reported it was on the news. Clark was trying to cover his tracks and erase all remnants of it. We talked about the shooting at the hood day. They asked him to take that down? They were mad that he talked about it? Yeah, he did. He was respectful. Tell me about the shooting at the hood day.

1:52:57Somebody got shot.

1:52:59Gumby:But like I said, hood day to me is a little crazy. It so happened I was there. And I just want to say rest in peace to the Hong Kong or Africa. You know what I'm saying? I'm some real shit. They said she wasn't even pumped. This is crazy, bro. This is a crazy shit. And this, let me explain to y 'all. I tried to explain to y 'all this before. Our community is so tight to get inside. Everybody think we assholes and we just bullshit ass motherfuckers. But once you get inside and fuck with the people that are the people, you know what I'm saying? It ain't nothing but love. This woman was one of our enemies, literally.

1:53:33Yeah. And she's at every hood. They never had an issue with the homegirls. If she does. She just got hit by a straight.

1:53:38Gumby:She wasn't targeted. Nah, nah. It was just a straight. Yeah, condolences to her. You know, I got a few nephews over there out of her neck of the woods. Mac 90. You know what I mean? We real close. Her daughter's cheerleading together. I used to look out for his daughter as he did mine when they was young. Now, that's a very unique situation for her to be able to move around the hoops like she did. But here's the thing. doesn't it get to a certain age to where you understand what the temperature is what's going on to where you may want to stay like when I go to Magic Mountain with the kids I ain't getting on a roller coaster at all because when I got on it the last time I can't deal with it where I used to at all had me lightheaded and dizzy I thought I was going to die so what I'm saying at some point do you tell yourself maybe it's time for me to let that go because it's too dangerous.

1:54:32Gumby:I'm 50, I'm 55. You know what I'm saying? You mean the hood days? Hood days. I mean. You know the ops target the hood days. They actually do. And they ain't coming too deep in there. But see, this is the thing. They going to get off from a distance. It's just random, you know what I'm saying? But yeah, they'll be 60 yards out, two, three with some sticks, and just start lighting it up. because then they hit everybody is from this set because it's their hood day. But here it was. She wasn't even from the set. She got hit by a stray. And I believe on some real shit, they may not like it. Children should be, shouldn't even be allowed to go to hood days.

1:55:16That's true. Because of the

1:55:19Gumby:possibilities. They have, you know what I'm saying, most sets, they have a park. You know what I'm saying, that's for family and friends. Like, we're having a picnic, you know what I'm saying, because the police He's going to be there more than likely anyway. You know what I mean? So that's kind of like the family and friends in the night function is for the grownups. I'm saying. So that's usually how it turns out in our situation. I know little kids. So this thing happened that night. Yeah. It happened at night. And your old ass was there. Did you lay out on the ground and tell God if you let me?

1:55:44Gumby:No. I was getting my shit out the car. What do you mean? Like the situation was, it was said we were all leaving. I'm saying we were all actually leaving. So somebody was watching. I mean, everybody's putting it on the internet to where it's like, you know, the internet is what happened and people are posting where we're at. You can't do that, bro. That's what I'm saying. I agree. Like, bro, you got people all year, shit happening and shit happening, and they can't find people. And they like, these dudes did this, did that, did this, and they put on the internet, this is what we're going to be.

1:56:18Gumby:But the thing about it is that people showing up with ankle monitors. The whole thing about it is that. Are you against all events in the hood? You got a crazy booger going on. Oh, yeah? Oh, my God. Look at that. Look at that. Give me a Q-tip out there. That's horrible. Whack a. You got going on. Yeah. Hey, who is that? Why are you throwing up Crip? Can you show the background real quick? What you doing? That's one of y 'all? Yeah, that's one of the most feared members in Southern California. Where are you from? North Dakota? Yeah, North Dakota Crip. You ain't never heard of the boy that Flocko everybody hates you.

1:57:05That nigga being everybody. He made a video of me too. He made a video of me too. Yeah. He makes a lot of videos. Everybody got Flocko there. He gotta at least find out if he's gonna get some views off.

1:57:18Gumby:I don't know why y 'all smoke weed to cough like that. That shit's crazy. No, I just think. You don't got demons like us. I'm going to be real. Now, I think you might like what I'm about to say. What you might say. This is where I think hood day should go. On some real shit. Magic. Imagine this. You from nine dukes, right? Nine dukes who? So y 'all got a whole year to plan for this day, right? Hey, homie, we got the plane book for Puerto Rico. the Virgin Islands the flights ain't nothing but wait, the flights ain't nothing but 200 feet we got five, three floors at the hotel nine and nine deuces they're occupied half the plane they going out here where they ain't got to worry about no police, they ain't got to worry about no ops, no enemies and niggas can reunion and enjoy each other and have some real memories instead of sitting right here waiting for Go to the club.

1:58:17Gumby:Take a shot. You can do all that and not worry about... But this is the thing, though. That's absolutely correct. The way different communities handle their celebrations are completely different. And usually because there's a lot of drinking and a lot of people getting high, the security lapses. Wait, wait, wait. I get what you're saying. I understand what you're saying. I'm speaking about not just my community. Everywhere. All these different people who have, you know what I'm saying, a Saturday. But what it is is that, and this is just me, bro. Like I said before, I deal with a lot of different people who are not from my community.

1:58:57You know what I'm saying? So I don't wish no ill on nobody that I'm going to sit down and have a stake with. You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to wish no ill on no neighborhoods unless they wish ill on me and mine. Yeah, my enemies is... That's what I'm saying because my whole thing is that that's being fake. I'm going to call Scooter from 60s, my brother, but I'm going to go and have my little homies do something to his. I'm not going to promote that. I promote self-defense. If they come over here shooting you bitches, better shoot back. The fuck? You know what I mean? So this is why I wasn't the APLU.

1:59:31I'm not that type of material. You know what I'm saying? I believe in self-defense. You know what I'm saying? I believe in self-respect, first and foremost. You get it? And my whole thing is that a lot of these young dudes, they don't have anything other than an image to live up to. You know what I'm saying? And that's some shit that...

1:59:47Gumby:So why the older dudes can't say, hey, everybody gonna make sure you got identification? We're on Puerto Rico's U.S. territory. You got some places to steal you in? It's expensive. Not only that, not even... Not a year out? Not even... But it's not even so much as that. I just told you earlier, a lot of these dudes, the older dudes in their community, don't have respect because they're not here to listen to these little dudes' problems. We was raised up in this shit. You know what I'm saying? It's generations. Me, my brother, my cousin, the uncles. So we raised up. You know what I'm saying? So now what I mean by that is that we know the standard that we're supposed to have.

2:00:24You know what I'm saying? So this generation is a little different. They have their own standard. If they get a stick or a switch or whatever, that's all it takes for them to be somebody in their head. They get in the mirror and do video and dance with it or whatever. But see, that all comes with responsibility. Taking a life comes with responsibility. Can you live with it? Can you do it again?

2:00:45Gumby:I mean, you know, that's just, that ain't nothing. I'm just telling you, but the difference is this. You know, we numb to that kind of shit. Okay, but this is the difference, though. They are not. They never done it before. You get it? So when they go to jail, what they do? Tell. They don't know when to be quiet. Mama, on the phone, Mama, can you tell, to dump the clothes and, bitch, you, this call is being recorded. Like, this is what I'm trying to explain to you. They panic. They're not seasons. And this is why I sit and listen. And this is why we don't stop. We don't check. Hold up. With me, my little homies know that we got to go a certain way because we're going to leave a certain way.

2:01:18Right? Ain't nothing in the middle. You get back over there, you fuck up, you getting it. Just like at your mama house. Go out in the supermarket and show up. See what happens. So where your face test at? I'm too handsome for that shit. You got me fucked up. I wasn't with it. I don't think that. I don't think that. I wasn't with it. Right now, it's all decoration right now. You know what I'm saying? I got you. That's what it's for. What it look like? There wasn't that much of that in your era back then, right? Nah, we had some. And then on the back of the neck.

2:01:51Gumby:I had a dream of wanting to just do the right thing one day. You know what I'm saying? What's the right thing? Clubhouse. You don't like my clubhouse? I don't know. Why you never invite me to your clubhouse? I'll turn your shit out. I'll let you come up there. They listen to me. And they be talking shit. They be talking bullshit. Yeah, they be talking bullshit. I'm going to sit in while you come up in there. I'm going to let you come in there late nights with the ladies. See, look, y 'all, I'm already kicked out the house fucking with y 'all. I'm supposed to have been back home already. I told y 'all to.

2:02:25I'm already kicked out already. This girl don't like you parting with us? No, I just had a baby, so I got to be there. How old is the baby? Oh, she like a month right now. Got you. You're a beautiful day. The baby will understand.

2:02:38Gumby:Don't play like that. Your kids are going to be watching. Are you done? Am I done with what? Having babies. She's going to be 68 when you're going to be 68 when she gets gay. He can't pull out. Look at him. Hey, listen. I'm not going to HR motherfucking business. What do you mean? You'll be 68. That's okay. What you mean? If you keep having five years, you might not be around. That's cheating them. That's not cheating them at all. It's better to be here. I don't know who my kid's going to turn out to be. You don't know who yours is going to turn out to be. No, I'm saying. I get what you're saying.

2:03:11I get what you're saying. Listen, so this is why you raise your children, right? When I'm, if something's. You got to be here to do. Okay, listen, let me explain to you. If I'm not here, this is why they have the older siblings that was taught in the same way that I'm teaching them. We're trying to. I got you. You know what I'm saying? Like, like how many people were like, my father passed away. You know what I'm saying? Me and him wasn't even cool up until I went through all my whole situation. You know what I'm saying? My father was one of the first black police officers in California in 1962 in Merced County and in Louisiana.

2:03:37Oh, shit. He was in the army. How the hell he ended up up there? That's where they sent him? Yeah, they sent him to. You know, first token nigga up there. You know what I'm saying? Real life. You know what I mean? So, like, me and him wasn't cool up until I went to jail. You know what I'm saying? How old were you when you caught that case? I went to jail when I was 18. 18. Yeah, turned 19 and went to prison. I must have just missed you. Yeah, I'm a big boy jail. I opened up like I got to stay in prison. Real life.

2:04:05Gumby:I watched him build a new side of that. Yeah. I was in Old Solid and watching Walls. It's all different now. It's all different now. It ain't like I'll be talking to different homies. Devil Wall for Mark. Short. Who on the back? They 107? Yeah. Oh, that's a big home. Ball Head. And we caught the chain together. He gone? Yeah, he passed. Me and the big fish from 6-0 all caught the chain together. I know fish too. I know all the old dudes. Yeah, fish, fish. I was a little kid. Fish looked out for me. I was a little young dude with all these old dudes. I know all of them. I just talked to Frank the other day.

2:04:33He in Vegas and shit fucking with him. I know all the dudes that I know are supposed to know. This is why I always tell my homies, you always do what's right, no matter if it's hard or not. Because in the end, the truth is going to always come out. It's not going to come out right now. I had to weather the whole storm this little weird dude talking about my daughter 13. She called me dad. She heard it. Dad, you see what this weirdo talking about? I said, you know your daddy? Shit, gang shit. You know what I'm saying, Dad? Yeah, what you mean? That means. She ain't from Hoover, is she? Hell no, you crazy.

2:05:05She ever asked you about the body? Sure. She talked. We got talks. She's lived this over her life. She know the story. She know what's going on. She know her. She know who her daddy is. That's crazy. When you first got out. Yes. How heavy was that having to have that conversation with her? Not heavy at all because I explained to my daughter, you always got to protect yourself.

2:05:23Gumby:It ain't going to be heavier than your conversation. What's your conversation? He got going on. What you do? Him and his wife is, you know, look, you know, they interviewed a female. Then they take her to the room in the back and bang her. I seen that. And they put it up. I saw the... So it gonna come a time, these badass kids, when she's going to school. So this is a lifestyle you guys are promoting in your house? No, not promoting in our house. I mean... But eventually she's gonna become a baby. Work is work. Okay, that's what I'm saying. So that's what I'm saying. That's what you're promoting to you.

2:05:55This is the way you have to sell it to them, right? You can't just say mommy and daddy was freaks and this is what we did. You're gonna sell it to them that this is a business because this is what you're saying to everybody. This is a business, right? So this is what you have to tell her. This is what you're going to explain to her. For sure. That was my whole point. You know what I mean? This is the same thing with me and mine. You know what I'm saying? She hear all the... Wait, let me explain to you. No, you're just from the streets. Let me explain to you. My daughter, she's up in age, and she hears all the bad things that people talk and say about her dad, right?

2:06:20But she know who her dad is, right? And because I explained to her what they're going to say or how they're going to feel ahead of time. You get it? I got you. You don't leave them in the blind. You know what I'm saying? What you're going to lie to them when they're hearing everything? it's funny though because all she got to say if they're like oh your dad's a killer she's gonna say yeah he's gonna kill you if you don't shut the fuck up that's such a good like easy comeback for a kid my dad gonna kill you no but that wasn't you know i mean that was what i explained to her i'm saying defending yourself you don't know how shit gonna go in a fight you don't know who gonna win you don't know what's gonna happen you know that's just the reality of what happens sometimes you know everything is bittersweet you know i mean no that's a fact different gummy that interview

2:07:02Gumby:with you. I think he was on some shit. This one's on E-Pill. He's an oracle. That nigga's mouth was twitched. I told you my shit was cocked for two days like a 62 chef. I couldn't get my shit to go right now. I said, I'm good. Fuck with you. That's what it feels like when you're on that shit. I'm cool. I was like, why the hell is Gumby talking like that? Hey, man. He was having a good time. What's next for Gumby? Man, I'm raising my kids at the moment. Like I said before, I got the whole little script coming out. I'm saying I got the documentary. I'm finishing up with the book, April. I'm skipping up April, December.

2:07:41Trying to get to Thailand in December. Well, I got some shit going on out there. Wait, wait. What you want to go do with Thailand, bro? I got the kickboxing champion out there. That's my brother. Oh, is he? Terry.

2:07:53Gumby:Wow. Thailand is different. I don't know. I'm finna go see. Whatever you do, make sure you know what you're dealing with. I don't go places where I don't have people Bro, them look, man, Thailand is different He's trying to warn you about the ladyboys Why you always gotta be saying some gay shit? No, he need to know He's sensitive about that You know how we out here, we'd be in the mall And we'd be like, don't look at nothing I don't even talk to people I don't know Don't look at nothing, cause boy You been out there before? Yeah Oh, so they didn't trick you before? No, I just know because they warned me before we went.

2:08:29Gumby:I didn't even go to the club. I let them go. I stayed back at the hotel. I wasn't even going to the club because I knew they was going to be in there. And in my mind, I don't want to be looking at something, and I'm trying to figure out what it is, and then it's like, if it's wrong, now you was looking at it. So I just told you, I'm cool. Yo, real talk, I'm going to tell you something. What happened? When I was 19, me and three of my BMX homies, we all went to Europe, right? Okay. and like my flight i fucked up my passport i was like a day or two late after them so they got to amsterdam before me that's the spot and they end up they basically like meet a fucking rant oh no no this isn't the europe trip this is thailand basically yeah yeah we went to thailand when i was 19 or 20 on a bmx trip and my flight got fucked up they end up like one or two of them ends up getting ahead from a random chick and they they're telling me about it and they're like I went and tried to touch her pussy.

2:09:26She wouldn't even let me touch her pussy. She just sucked my dicks. And I'm like, that was a dude. And it's just like piercing silence in the room. They all just like, it made the whole rest of the trip awkward. They had no way to ever figure it out. But reasonably, you could probably assume it was a dude. He's possibly gay. If you're getting hit and ain't playing with her pussy hole, y 'all both gay. And if a random girl wants to suck your dick in an alley, like in Thailand. Let me ask you this. So who put this smut on you about you and underage peoples? It's because there was a chick that I fucked when I was 19 who I had met online when I was 16.

2:10:13Or when she was 16. Like I met her, had like a brief interaction with her online, and then found out she was underage. So I stopped talking to her for three years. She said, you didn't fuck her. No, I fucked her when she was 19.

2:10:25Gumby:You don't say he groomed her. Yeah. Because they said he waited until she got married. I didn't even talk to her the whole time in between. I was waiting until she was a bitch. When that time, you're like 22. I was young. Where is she at? I was like 22. Where is she at? This was in Canada. Where is she at? I don't know. We need to track her down. She told her. We need to talk to her. Why you ain't track her down with your messy ass? You and everybody else's fucking business. What you mean? Why you didn't track her down? I did not know. What you mean? We addressed this on Clubhouse. Oh, did you?

2:10:51Gumby:A couple years ago. Okay. You politicized it, Gumby. Did y 'all? Y 'all politicized it? I'm not. I got nothing to hide. Okay. That's what I'm talking about. Checking in. I will tell you this. Huh? I will tell you this, Gumby. Lots of them on camera. I will tell you this. Check out my work. I'll give you a free subscription. I will. Okay. I'm going to need that subscription. I will. Just see the white part. Dead hoops. I will tell you this. What happened? In California, we train one way. 18. That's what's right. But each state is different. It's more. It's 37 states, age 16. New Hampshire, where he from when he grew up, they was trained at a 16.

2:11:23Gumby:You could. For the record, she was 19. No, she was not, but I'm, yeah. Yeah, when I met her. No, when you met her, she was 16. Online. Okay, when you met her in person. Did she lie to you about her age? Okay, there you go. She didn't lie to me about her age. She just didn't tell me until we had been talking online for a little bit. So then when she told you that, you just cut it off. So did you get any naked pictures? Two years later, you tapped back in. Did you get naked pictures from her? Not at that time. Are you sure? Of course, no. Two years later, you tack back in. Three years later, we ended up reconnecting.

2:11:55And we hung out while I was in Canada. But in Canada, what's the legal age of consent? I don't know. I don't know. So she ain't from New Hampshire? No, this is way after I left New Hampshire. I was living in New York. Okay, so that was the first half. If you want to see the second half, go become a member via the link in the description. You got to become a WACPAC member. You can watch the rest of it or it's dropping next Sunday. Appreciate you guys. And make sure to smash the like button. Thank you. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast.

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