Gunplay on His Early Days with Rick Ross, The 50 Cent Beef, Beating Up DJ Vlad & More

32:18At Greg Street. Oh, Greg Street from Atlanta. Yeah, Fat Boy used to be over there, too. Like, we used to be over there, dog, and at Tomcat crib. To the point, Tomcat wife, just, you know, we was there so much, and it was just n***s. And then she just was like, I can't, you know what I mean? I guess they had, they, you know, they separated or whatever, man. You're saying you caused the divorce. I just feel like, I felt like that. I'm like, not me, but, you know what I'm saying, us. But he just had a vision. Everybody believed in Ross's vision, bro. You know what I'm saying? We all stood behind him, and we all wanted to see him win.

33:06You know what I mean? And right now, he's where he's supposed to be, where I knew he was gonna be. It's not even a surprise to me. You know what I'm saying? It's not even a surprise. It's just like, what else? Y 'all going to the A link y 'all with Diddy? Because Diddy used to be out there with BMF a lot. Oh, yeah. So Block was managing Boys in the Hood, and he brought Boys in the Hood to when Diddy had that Bad Boy South. Yeah. So he was running Bad Boy South Block at that time, if I'm not mistaken. He had brought Boys in the Hood there. And Big G that was in Boys in the Hood, that's our partner too.

33:46So it was like, all right, we in there. You know what I'm saying? So we was on the set that day. So, yeah, that was crazy. Yeah, that was dope. That's crazy. We were really going through such a long chunk of time there. You got so many years in the game. It's kind of crazy. Yeah, it's, man, dude, those things like that little cameo in that video. It used to mean so much the little video came. It's because it wasn't that much content coming out. Right. So you get you a little... If you really look... You in there too? I made sure I was in that motherfucker. But that first, the first very first video, if y 'all really look, it's...

34:32What's it called? I told y 'all I had to get down now. Trina. It was on the, what's that? That soundtrack. All about the Benjamin soundtrack. If you see that video at the very, very end, you see me like this. Like, it was so many because I'm trying to like get, I'm like, damn, dog, I got to get this. I got one last ditch effort. They don't tell you that. You got to fight to be in the video. You got to really get up there and be. It's a little war to be standing next to the rapper. Find your spot. You got to look and be, all right, I know the camera going to catch me over here. Like, you know what I'm saying?

35:15But sometimes niggas be already on it. Well, you got to get. And you see me with my little dress and shit. Definitely been some music videos that drop where I see it and I'm like, damn, I should have been jockeying for position a little bit harder there. Get a little FaceTime this video. Uh-huh. Nah, thanks. But so, OK, you had a quote at one point. you said that Ross brought the luxury side of Miami to the table and that you brought the dark side? Yeah, man. I brought the after hours. He brought Liv. He made shit look luxurious and showed the real Miami club expensive side of things, whereas you were like, no, this is what the trenches is like.

35:55Right, right, right, right. You know what I mean? He definitely catered to the trenches too with his music. but I just wanted to carry that baton and be like nah it's for real you know what I'm saying his side was like this is when you make it and yours was like this is in the grind trying to make it I mean really if you look at somebody like Kodak Black whether intentional or not you kind of like were of that same sort of lineage you're like in the hood you got dreads you're openly doing drugs and openly violent hustling doing whatever like really like the way that somebody like Kodak is kind of like the face of Miami I would say in a certain way or the face of South Florida it's like you know he's putting forth his version of what it is to be him even if it might be kind of ugly I live vicariously through him you feel that because you're getting older so you look at somebody like him like okay I can't turn up like that no more but I'm like turn up for me go crazy cause this is what I would have been doing too you know what I'm saying but you know he's still young.

37:02He's still young. He got a lot of time, man. And he's smart. I believe he's smart. He's smart enough to know when he's tripping. You know what I'm saying? Like how you say, nigga could do a little whoop to whoop, but if you know it's finna fuck up this, you finna kind of like get right at least. Yeah, you know? It ain't what you do, it's how you do it. That's it. That's it. That's it. You don't want to do too much of it and tripping and do, you know, once it f*** up money. Well, Kodak is a good representation for South Florida. Absolutely. To the T. For South Florida, YN. To the T. It's everything.

37:42To the T. It used to be Trick. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely was Trick. Yup. He the one got me talking about Bunk and smoking cocaine and shit like that. Definitely. Once he said that, I was like, oh yeah. I'm the type of nigga take a pound of brown and boom that bitch they kind of style. I said, oh my God. What the? Oh, that was it. That one line, that was it. That was it. That was it for me. And then for me to wake up for Trick to give me a call at 7 in the morning, 6 in the morning, 8, what's up? What you got over there, boy? All right, bring something through. And I come through.

38:22And now I'm smoking. I'm actually in Trick Daddy Cribs smoking dirty at 6.30 in the morning recording music. Wow. You got to understand, bro, from a kid coming in, that's crazy, bro. Hell yeah. That's how I felt when I did my first record with Piccolo. For real? Yeah, I felt like that with Piccolo. I'm like, damn, dog. I used to listen to this nigga. I used to watch their music. Him and Vito and shit. Him and Vito and shit. Him and the donks and shit. They got 50 donks the whole Overtown out there. Put your picture on the T-shirt. You know what I'm saying? and it's like nah, this nigga in the studio, he right here smoking Boon, we making music together.

38:57And this my dog now, he calls me like on the regular. You feel me? It's like - Shout out Dezlock, man. Shout out Dezlock. Shout out Piccolo, man. Them legends from Miami. Yeah. And Vito. Long live Vito. Yeah, long live, man. No shake, man. So y 'all on tour with Jay-Z, Everyday I'm Hustlin', Gone Crazy, it's on the charts. How long does it take for y 'all to get BMF? how long after that that record come through that record BMF that's when we kind of realized like oh shit he's gonna do this a bunch of times he just got one hit yeah damn when was that dog that was a blur by then dog that was when my fellas look like another album right that was like I feel like there was another single after Hustlin it was Hustlin Then the second single was Push It to the Limit.

39:54BMF came out 2010. 2010. And it was on the Teflon Don album. That was his first album? Yeah. No, Teflon Don was his second album. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. By then, shit, man. You know, shit was up, boy. That's when, yeah, dog. That's when that energy was crazy, man. Were you all really tapped in with BMF like that, that it was considered like an act of respect to title a song like that? Or what was the relationship like? I didn't know them to have a relationship. But if they did, I didn't know. You know what I'm saying? But yeah. But it was just the fact that, you know, y 'all think I'm big meat. Larry Hoover.

40:37Right. We've been working. It was like paying homage. Hallelujah. Man, that shit hard, bro. That shit hard, bro. Would you say that like you or Ross really knew about who, like Larry Hoover knew about the story or was it more just like a general into drugs and selling them? Nah he definitely is a historian on shit. He knows you know he's a very intelligent man man he knows about the history of a lot of shit that you know what I'm saying especially gangsters and shit man so you know. Did you know early on that there was a famous Rick Ross who was a drug trafficker from Los Angeles or okay. Did you ever have conversations about the fact that that might become a problem later on or anything?

41:26Nah there was a line in a record one time I forgot who I think it was Red or somebody that told him was like he had said a line in the song something something something like I'm Ricky Ross something something it was like yo that's what you should name that's what you should name yourself dog ricky ross rick ross i forgot who it was it gave him that idea or something like that dog because he had said it in a line and it was just so hard and it just made sense and and it just made sense dog had that same you know i'm saying it was like no it fits it fits it fits it definitely fits bro and you know and and and uh man he took it man and ran with it, bro.

42:12I just wish that they could have been cool. You know what I mean? I don't know what happened between them. So don't let me talk about nothing that I don't know. But what I wish would have happened is he would have been like, look, let's make some money off of this. I don't know. I don't know. I wish they were cool. He was like supposed to be doing such a long sentence that like nobody ever thought they were going to see him on the streets again. Never mind doing interviews like that. I know. But I don't know. I don't know. To each his own, man. I just wish they would have been cool, man. Right.

42:56I mean, I just hate to see that. But man, who knows what they are now nowadays? I don't know. I'm not. I don't talk to anybody. Yeah. I just do my thing. Definitely. Okay. So when do you start really dropping music or what's the rollout plan to be now that Rick Ross is a household name in rap? Is the conversation like Triple C's is coming right behind or is there going to be like a gunplay mixtape right after that? Or how do you approach that? We was talking about like doing a group. and you know once he gets in position we do the Triple C's album and then do the solo album Gunplay do the solo torch and all that you know the usual but I guess around that time there was a thing with him and 50 Cent and then they released our album in the midst of that so it just was like not good timing I guess for our album so we didn't get the I feel the the look that we were supposed to get or the push or whatever because it was just so much going on.

44:05It got overshadowed by the beef sort of. It got overshadowed by the beef. There we go. On the head. That's how I feel. How was it like beefing with 50 Cent G in it? At that point. At that time. It was a joke. I mean to me it was a joke. You know what I mean? When did you realize like alright we into it with these niggas for real? Shit. When I had to fight him. So that's the point about that guy? You know this video? The BET Awards? I was like, oh, this shit is for real? Oh, okay. Well, okay. So before it was just all raps and shit, and to that day, and then you like, all right, so this shit. So breakdown today at BET Awards, what happened?

44:42Cause you got caught by yourself, I guess, right? Yep, yep, as always. I'm always dolo. But yeah, somebody was with me, but they had just left. Just conveniently left right before they popped up. But you know, fucking. I seen him, he walked up, there was police right here. There was like these stairs and the police won't let me out. And there's like a barricade. And I could have just either jumped the fence and run off into the dark like a pussy. Or, you know what I'm saying, say hey officer, look, look, look, they about to do something to me like a pussy. Or, just say fuck. I'm on the run for armed robbery right now.

45:33I don't give a fuck. Let's go. You know what I'm saying? I guess I'm going to go out with a band. I'm going to crash out. Man, I'm going to crash out. That's it. I'm going to crash out. You ever had one of the moments where you think about something and you just be like, I'm going to crash out. I think about it a lot. I might not really. As you get older, you just do less. Be like, nah, nah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You talk to yourself a little more. it seemed like back in the days though they used to try to make it a thing to keep like 50 cents separated from the rick rosses and the fat joes and all that so we were actually shocked to see i actually run into each other at like a bt event publicly in the back we was like damn there wasn't because i remember the odds of kids you end up getting pepper sprayed and i think you were handing somebody trailer yeah i got pepper sprayed the police laid me down they handcuffed me and then the Illuminati came and uncuffed me and facts.

46:27I ain't even gonna make this shit. Who's the Illuminati? Some big ass, eight foot tall nigga, bald head. I never. Nigga say, hey, you got a ride? I said yep. He say, I'm gonna take these cuffs off. When you walk, don't look that way. where the police was huddled up. They just ran my name. I got a fucking whole warrant, nationwide warrant for armed robbery, bro. And so I'm going. But he like, come on, man, Illuminati came, bro. But that's what I'm saying. It's like, you know, that's why it's like sometimes you don't notice that you getting looked out from people, you know what I'm saying? And they don't say nothing.

47:19you see what I'm saying but I already know and I thank you so you don't actually know who this guy was I don't really but he was somehow able to overrule the cops he was with the police yeah yeah facts he had on the whole cop shit but he was not that cop shit it was like he had on the vest but he was like like like it's just like he came from the crib and just threw it on and just came out here real quick you know what I'm saying so it was just like the hip hop police probably I don't know what the fuck it was, but this nigga was about 7 '6". About 7 '6", dog. Biggest fuck, bro. He was like, you got a ride?

47:57He was like, yep. You don't know who that was, Adam? Nah. What state was that? 7 '6". Georgia. It was a shack? Nah, this nigga was not. Right? Nah, I ain't gonna lie. He was about like 6 '5", 6 '6". He was big, though. You know what I'm saying? And he just was like, and I just was like, yeah. And he just uncuffed me, and then I walked to the car, bro, and he just said, don't look that way. I'll straight look that way, too. Dumbass. So before y 'all got into any physical altercations, everything with you and G-Unit, just really just been on wax before that day, really, for the most part. Yeah, yeah.

48:29I don't even know what the beef is about. I don't know. Yeah, from your standpoint, you can't even tell, like, what Ross and them was beefing about? I don't know and still don't know. Damn. I don't be caring. If my dog got an issue, I got an issue. And that's it. I don't even give a fuck. You know, remember that movie where the motherfucker was like, hey, man, I'm going to, he was like, hey, man, I'm going to need your help. We got to go kill some people. We got to go pull a robbery. We got to do this. He was like, what car are we taking? That's me. You know what I'm saying? I don't ask no questions.

49:05Let's just go, all right, then bet. You know what I'm saying? I feel like. If it's a problem. If you got a problem, nah, it's a problem with me too. I think they, Beef started over some petty shit. I think they seen each other somewhere and they had looked at each other wrong or whatever. And then they started talking about like, I ain't like the way this person looked at me. I know I ain't get pepper sprayed and fight nine about a look. I think it started off from some petty shit like that. And then, you know, 50 had the pimp and curly thing going on. I don't care about that, but what is the real shit?

49:38You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Oh, but whatever. it's part of my legacy man you know what I'm saying y 'all niggas opps is at the corner store bro you see my answer you feel me so that yeah I feel like you was frontlining for Ross and a lot back in the day cause I remember a long time ago there was a video of Jeezy walking through Miami and I guess he had problems with Drew and Ross at this time oh I remember that the old world star video when Jeezy he was on South Beach he was on South Beach yeah and it was just like it was a world star video when they were like damn what GZ doing in Miami looking for Ross where do y 'all beefy even stem from where is that you can't even say what I'm not even gonna talk about that but you do remember the video of GZ being yeah yeah I'm straight I ain't even gonna talk about that too spicy we gotta like say the details to him in order for him to fill in the blank that shit just ain't it ain't it ain't capital G to even talk about.

50:40That shit ain't even... Official. That shit, yeah. That shit's some lowercase G shit. Mm. It wasn't no gangster shit. Y 'all felt the way when I seen it, like doing the publicity stunt, walking around Miami and shit with the cameras, like... That was like... That wasn't nothing. Naked one stunt in that, you know? Yeah. When it was the BET Awards and it was a thing like that, that's when I guess it got, you know... Oh, yeah, y 'all bumped into each other behind stage. Yeah, yeah. This was before the Gucci and Jeezy beef, or this was after? When Jeezy was walking through by me. I think it was before.

51:18It was before? Before early. Nah, I don't know if it was before or during the middle of it. I think he was beefing with Gucci still, regardless. But I think he just ended up. I just remember a Bro Star video. Nah, that was beefing before Fat Boy. Before him and Fat. Gucci and Gucci. Yeah, that was beefing off the rich. Off the white team. Off so icy. Off so icy and all that. Or black team. Sorry. Gigi Miley still has some unfinished beef to be handled before he went. I want to shout out. Hold on. I want to shout out Baby Savage right now, dawg. I want to shout out my dawg, Baby Savage. I'm supposed to say this from the beginning of the interview.

51:58You know what I'm saying? But that's my brother. I want to just let y 'all know. Look, if you're trying to get features bookings uh uh podcasts from your boy hit up at baby savage god of grind on on instagram and my instagram is not gunplay again his phone number is in there he got the call center out there in shreveport making the calls making all this happen man salute to you baby savage you already know man for sure yo so at what point and like how did it feel when you realized that like because 50 seemed kind of like invincible like he was just going to win every single beef that he was in and then all of a sudden he's beeping with Rick Ross and it felt like oh no this is a beef that 50 actually kind of took the L in like that was the first chink in his armor was that clear to y 'all at the time?

52:50Yeah it was like that was you could tell he was on his musical decline 50 was at the time and then Ross was on his incline and hot music kinda says it all and then he was Fat Boy was on his he was doing his numbers everybody was talking about the correctional officer shit nigga was like I slapped the biggest bully in this sandbox watch this let's go fuck all what y 'all talking about that's how I see he did it you see what I'm saying and then came with the with the pen after that. All the mafia music. And then all of that shit just was like, I think that, I felt like he went to war with 50 and the whole industry at that point.

53:41Like within the whole world. Y 'all think, y 'all think it's like that. I'll slap the biggest bully in the sandbox right now. What? And then come back and then do what I do after that. And then ha, ha, you know what I'm saying? Then meet Mill and then, and then shit just keep going. Just keep going. And he's still going. Talking crazy. talking shit I love to watch them go back and forth this shit is hilarious. Now that's one of the most important rap beefs of all time because there was so much shit that we hadn't really seen like even 50 taking Ross's ex-girl or whatever shopping we had never seen anything like that that was some wild shit didn't really like help him in the battle but he created crazy social media content at the time that had people tripping at that time I was like he was winning in the the internet and Fatboy was winning in the music on the music side for sure so which one do you think is a win I even did the Floyd Mayweather diss track at that time if Floyd was rocking 150 you was frontlining for a lot of shit oh yeah I remember oh shit man damn I remember one time right we was in we was in Vegas we was in Vegas and I'll never forget this shit bro I ain't never even told this story bro just cause this is no jump for me we're getting deep it's not deep it ain't nothing crazy so I can say this it ain't nobody it's nothing incriminating no wild shit but and excuse me with my speech because I just got three teeth pulled a couple days ago so I'm still kinda but Hold on.

55:30We in Vegas. We get a call to everybody to come downstairs and come get some dessert. Right? Hey, Jeter. Hey. They say come downstairs and come get some dessert. Everybody, all of us, we start walking, we go, come downstairs. We see, we walk into where the dessert is at, dog, and we see, who do we see? Floyd Mayweather. Right? We deep. Yeah. Floyd Mayweather and I think we're in a bitch. Right? and I think a bitch was there, yeah. And the nigga pulled up. Frat boy walked up. Frat boy walked up, and he was like, like, what's up? And Floyd, that nigga, he was like, what's up? And he looked at everybody, right?

56:25And then while he's sitting down, there's like a cutout in the wall, like big cutout, like a hacka. You know what I mean? So it's like a thing, and it has like a little ledge here or whatever. So And then like you can go around it right here And you can come this way So I'm starting walking this way right I start walking this way And he looking at everybody That nigga get spooked That nigga grabbed that whole bag That nigga went in the bag Hey y 'all niggas back up Y 'all niggas back up And he jumped up on the ledge He sat and jumped up on the chair And jumped up on the ledge He had the blick You were like You got me bro Floyd Floyd He's undefeated Yo no listen He was trying to stay undefeated But listen boy He up Everybody up kind of like So he like Type shit Type shit like You know what I'm saying So he like Oh y 'all back up And then So I go around this way Because he on the ledge And I could go I'm trying to I'm trying to Sneak around Snatch his little ass down That nigga See me Get your mans Get your mans That nigga pointed a pistol at me.

57:37I ain't no play with you. But that nigga said, get your mans. Yo, get your mans. I'm like, because I started sneaking around there, boy. He said, get your mans. And then, you know, that shit died down. But boy, I swear, I shit you not, boy. That was funny. Actually, we were laughing, bro. We was laughing, bro. The whole shit erupted in laughter after that nigga, dog. When that nigga did that shit after that. We was like, what the fuck just happened, dog? come downstairs they all come get some dessert and it was just a crazy coincidence or you think that they lined it up i don't know and just come get dessert i guess it was time to eat i don't know but yeah that was that was yeah yeah that is hilarious um okay but yo so it one of the crazier things too is that hearing like yayo's voice and that clip of you getting pepper spray and you hear Yale's voice so good.

58:32Cheerleader. It's crazy because I was listening to Yale like crazy back then, but especially now just like all of them as a podcast. Yeah, nigga, yeah. Yeah, nigga, yeah. I'm like, yo, give him the pom-poms. Put a skirt on the boy. Have him go over there, man, and do some gymnastics with that shit. Yeah, boy, yeah. Boy, nigga got leg arms, bro. Nigga ain't doing nothing but running around, bro. What you got going? How did you feel when you realized that they ended up with your chain. That he ain't touch me. But they ended up with your chain, I guess 50 Cent debuted on MTV though. My shit popped.

59:09Man, that shit was a flimsy old little whoopty whoop chain. And back then, that's when y 'all was wearing a long chain. A long chain, so that bitch popped, bro. That shit, that nigga in the melee, that shit popped. But 50 did some slick shit and he debuted it on an MTV episode. Oh, yeah. So he was wearing it on MTV and they're like, So how do you end up with an MMG chain? He's not saying, dog. He's like, I just like the chain. I just bought it. Yo, you know, do you know? Do you know? And again, I'm going to put this on my daughter and son and mama and daddy, Juggler, Vayne and Heartbeat. I got a call after that situation.

59:45I'm going to tell you how trill I keep it, dog. You know what I'm saying? And this is no jumping. I'm going to give you all another one. I'm going to tell you how trill I keep it. I got a call. I said, look. I got the we got the video this from a lawyer. Somebody call me and say I got the lawyer on the phone and we got the video and everything, the video evidence of the of the situation. And you got an opportunity to sue right now for five million dollars. What you want to do? I say I've talked to the lawyer. I say, what does it entail of me having to do? and he said first you have to file a criminal police report I said police report I said so you're telling me I have to get on the stand at some point and have to point somebody out and he said yeah I said and I have to do that in order to go do the civil I can't just do civil I can't just say look no you gotta do criminal I said nah I can't do it.

1:00:52Because you got a big check from BET at that time. From everybody. You should have told Gucci Man that story a few months ago. Gucci Man? Oh, shit. You should have told Gucci that it might have been good advice for him. Oh, boy. This guy. He's a guy. You know what I'm saying? And it's like I couldn't do it because I know you're going to try me outside. You're going to be like, boy, that gunplay rat-ass nigga. Yeah. Yeah, he got money, but he a rat. Yeah. Death sentence. For your career. You think I would have been rapping out of that for real? I would have been in Costa Rica and Osa Peninsula on a fishing yacht bringing in a 900 pound black marlin with a 5 foot 100 pound Costa Rican bitch that piquing no England.

1:01:42No piquing. I would have had a 5 foot 100 pound no piquing. You don't know what happened. no peaky I would have had a 5 foot 100 pound no peaky you know what I'm saying I wouldn't give a about you rat and shit but I have I say you know what I did you know I just couldn't do it dog and then and then I just couldn't do it I just yeah even if I do come want to come back and it's like did you nah dog it ain't finna me rat no ain't no rat I hate rats so how How did you feel when Trick Daddy came to the internet and did what he did with the Rick Ross shit and dropped the correctional officer pictures of Rick Ross and shit?

1:02:27He did that? He was the first person I seen bring it to the internet and made it a thing. I didn't even know that either. That's the first person I seen making it a thing. Maybe that's why he said in the record. I hate to even repeat it but this is you know what I mean it's on a fucking song it was like that's why he said that I was wondering why the fuck cause I didn't think he put that out when he said Trick Daddy got and he got he got talking about his lupus you know what I'm saying when he said that shit I was like whoa you know them boys have they little they have they own shit they have they iron that shit out Yeah, they got their own shit that's stemming from.

1:03:12But take Trick out of it. How did you feel when those pictures hit the internet? What was the combos you and Ross had? Because as fans, we thought, oh, his career's over. It just seemed like it was going to be that easy, especially because we were so used to 50 taking all these Ws at that time. Yeah, but I know. I know it might have looked like that, but I know this nigga, dog. I know him. I know him like a book. You know what I'm saying? Like one thing about him, he not scared of no war, bro. He ain't scared of no war. That's one thing, you know what I'm saying? And on top of that, his pen is crazy.

1:03:48You see what I'm saying? So I know the type of music he was going to make, it was going to overshadow all of that shit. After a while, you just keep hitting them with these bangers and these hits and hits and hits, and people just be like, I don't give a fuck. They want that good music, bro. you know what I mean and at the time man you know how you can't stop a f***ing boulder coming down a mountain fool you know what I'm saying I mean at that time I remember thinking that the way for him to basically excuse himself was just to say basically like yeah I might have been working as a correctional officer but I was essentially doing it because I was still in the streets and we were running some sort of business this way but I don't think Ross even really got into that he just kind of honestly it seems like a donald trump thing in retrospect that his donald well like his attitude was like okay i got this crazy negative media storm i don't give a i'm rick ross y 'all are not like he just didn't really crack he didn't show that he was stressed out about it at all and ultimately it just wasn't able to do that much to him because he didn't take it the way that like almost every rapper before him would have took it which is to Kind of panic.

1:04:59And that shows you the type of nigga he is. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? Don't panic. Don't ever panic. He'll tell you that. I know he gonna watch this and laugh because he know that's the one thing he gonna tell you, don't panic. Don't panic. Don't do that. That's the last thing you need to do in anything, nigga. Don't panic. You know what I'm saying? And then dog got the fee, man. He got the fee. Fuck that. Show how much fee you got. You know what I'm saying? Show, you know, and then he got all the wing stops to start doing the whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop. He's strategic, man.

1:05:38So it's not just going to be a walk in the park when you're dealing with someone who's just as smart, you know what I'm saying? Just as smart as you strategic. Yeah, dog strategic too. 50 strategic, dog strategic too. They both strategic. They both, you know what I'm saying? They both got stand on business. So it's not going to be no simple walk in the park. You know what I'm saying? Right, right. One's just a funny, real funny dude, and one could really rap. Like, good. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah. You know, that's the thing. Like, everybody has to have a nemesis, though. You always have to have that opposite.

1:06:15And a lot of times when your nemesis or your op goes away, that's kind of like the end of the storyline for a lot of rappers in this day and age. Where if you got, like, a big name op and they get killed or some shit, a lot of times you see like the person who was beefing with them like their career kind of shrivels up afterwards because the fans just aren't really interested anymore. Oh wow. I never even thought about that or even thought about thinking about that. Yeah. Give me an example. Like when Julio got killed and Young and Ace it feels like his career kind of took a hit even though he's supposed to be the one celebrating because his biggest op got killed but it felt like the fans kind of didn't have anything to keep them engaged in the same way.

1:06:53I never even know that. And Ace is talented. he definitely he definitely talented he's gonna be good either way he's definitely talented for sure ok so moving past the correctional officer saga and everything like that that's when Ross really starts signing people all of a sudden he's got me he's got Wale you know what's crazy they names this is fate this is the way everything is you know their name is william roberts and robert and robert williams whoa that's crazy ain't that fucking wild that is wild that's what that's you see the type of shit like that that's what i love to see i love to see divine timing divine this you know what i'm saying shit that you just let's supposed to happen and i'm a big meek fan you know what i'm saying like when i first heard him when i that first dream dream uh what was it the night night Dream Chasers.

1:07:52Dreams and nightmares. Yeah, man. I said, oh, my God, bro. I heard about him, but I ain't heard him. And when I heard him, I said, whoa, that boy. Man. I said, boy, Gunplay. Boy, boy, you better go, boy. Boy, go hit that motherfucking drum board again, because, boy, these niggas coming with that shit, boy. So what was the transition from Triple C's to We Maybach Music now, from your perspective? Man, we got a God Bless the Dead Black. I remember he called everybody and was like, listen, man, it's going to be some changes, man. Y 'all boys better get to really working. You know what I mean? All of this, you know, hanging around and just, you know, not putting music out and just, you know, repping but not working, it's got to stop, you know?

1:08:46and um and and from there you know everything you know i still was doing my thing i'm gonna you know even though i didn't get my deal or nothing like that with them i still did my thing with def jam i still did my thing with empire i still got on loving hip-hop i'm still doing you know i'm saying still doing shit i'm you know i'm always going to be working bro like you know i'm always going to be in your motherfucking face okay you know i'm saying i'm here to stay but did it feel like damn he like signing some of the hottest up and coming rappers from all over the country did it make you feel like damn like i didn't even really get the full shot that i kind of deserved especially because i feel like you were a rapper who was super hyped i'm sure you were hot in the streets and forward and everything but like the internet in particular and the next generation of hot rappers coming out whether it was kendrick or asap mob they were all really looking at you as like one of the dopest rappers regardless of if the mainstream necessarily latched on uh you know you know uh somebody told me it was like you know uh rest in peace asap yams yeah they said because i know somebody that's really close to them and they say you know he he they say i don't know i don't know if it's true but they say that was he was such a fan of mine's that he named himself after that song I had yams straight yams straight yams yams straight yams the A$AP yams that's crazy that's crazy and then I got on and then A$AP Rocky had reached out and we did Ghetto Symphony with what's the other what's the other guy A$AP Rocky and what's the other dude man that he was on Ghetto Symphony I forget man the who the rap's crazy with that oh Fert huh Ferg, Ferg, A$AP Ferg A$AP Ferg, yeah I f*** with Ferg Right, yeah, Ferg, you and When we did a New York show, man I was so sick about it And I never, I don't think I ever will recover But I was in New York and I was We was doing so many dates and shit like that And on my set This was the last tour that I did with them And I was promoting I forgot what album I was promoting I was doing something and I forgot to I got into New York and I forgot to add Ghetto Symphony to my set oh shit and I didn't know they was gonna be I didn't even know they was gonna be I didn't even think dog and then they were there I mean not they but I think Ferg I think no Ferg was there Ferg was there but he was like and then when we went backstage she was like why you ain't play the record why you ain't do the record and I was like to this day I just want to go.

1:11:35Damn, I'm sorry, Ferg, bro. I really wanted to do the record, bro. I just was outside, bro. I just had a lot going on, bro. Not intentional. As a fan, though, that happens a lot where you go to a show and there's a couple artists on the bill that have a song together and you want to see them do that song together and then you realize they don't even give a fuck about each other in real life. So you're like, oh, shit, they're never going to get on the same stage. But, yeah, that would have been a classic moment. That would have been classic, man. I'm sick about it. But there was a, you know, the record with Kendrick Lamar, the cartoons and serial record.

1:12:07Classic. I didn't, we was in SOBs in New York performing yams. And I was on YouTube. And I looked. And who the f*** do I see right behind me, young as f*** going yams, straight yams, Kendrick Lamar. Wow. In New York City. SOBs you can look it up on YouTube and this is how y 'all met or y 'all already had the record nah this was so when he did reach out and he's told me all of that and then then I see who he was and then just so happened to see it I was like dawg really was a fan you know what I'm saying he was a real cause when I was on the run I was in New York at one point and I was with Jita and shit like that and Jita K and Top had hit Jita K and was like yeah I got Kendrick on the phone.

1:12:57He wanted to do a record with Gunplay. And he got me on the phone. He's like, you right here. Boom. Got him on the phone. He was like, man, I fuck with your music. He's like, man, I like your cadence. This and that. He starts singing. Oh, not singing. Naming the records. And I'm like, oh shit, dog. I'm thinking this. I'm thinking Kendrick Lamar. I shit you not. I'm talking it was an R &B artist or a basketball player. That name kind of suggests that, right? Yeah, that's what I thought. That's before earlier on when people had their real name as their rap name. You like Kendrick Lamar. I'm like, okay, whatever.

1:13:31You know what I'm saying? But then I was like, Jeter was like, yo, listen, when I heard up the phone, you know what I'm saying? I appreciated the call and all of that. I wasn't like, I just didn't know who he was. And he was like, when you get back to where you going, bro, go in on that record, bro. Go in on that shit, dog. And at the time, I'm on the run so I have a lot to I got a lot on my mind, I got a lot going on, and it's like, you know, that's why I was like, I did wrong, Karma came, Krakas gave me ball and chain, no disrespect, you know what I'm saying? Krakas gave me ball and chain, and it was like, State, Fez, they all came.

1:14:10You know what I'm saying, all the same, but it was just like, I did the record and like two weeks later, my Twitter went from black people to white people. Oh, shit. All the retweets were saying, this is the first rapper I ever heard body Kendrick on his own shit. Wow. This is the first, and I'm not, now I'm not the type of, I don't like the, don't say that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't even know the kid, dog. And you saying all that, oh, he body, and to this day, if you look on all of them shit, that's all they say. He's the only nigga that body Kendrick on his own shit. Wow.

1:14:49Like, don't say that. We just make good music together. How about that? You see what I'm saying? And it's like, dog, I hate that. But then I didn't even know who he was still. Then I saw on Worldstar, they crowned him what? The King of LA or something? Yeah. When I saw that, that's when I said, wow. Damn, bro, I didn't even know who that really was, boy. Kendrick a real ass nigga, dog. That nigga cool as shit. Me and Play went to his show at the Hard Rock Stadium in Miami, in Broward right there. We were watching, right? All of a sudden the security just came over there and was like, yo, who you with?

1:15:32He tapped Gunplay, like, who you with? And Play was like, me and my brother was up. He was like, Kendrick said, y 'all come to the back. Brought us to the back. I'm talking about, I'm back there. We back there smoking blunts with Kendrick and shit. Like, he just vibing. Vibing, dawg. Chilling, dawg. We took pictures and shit, vibing up, man. You know, and the fans really want to see another, yeah, another cartoons and cereal, dawg. You know what I'm saying? Like on some real shit. Like I'm not, I want to give what the fans want. You went and got Lefty Gunplay. Yeah. Wah, wah, wah, wah. Oh shit.

1:16:08Wrong Gunplay. Oh shit, man. But he got a Grammy, so. Is that how you got hip to Gunplay? A lefty Gunplay? How did you hear about lefty Gunplay? Yeah, that song, I was like, what the f*** is this? Yeah. What's going on here? But I don't take it no way. You know what I'm saying? I don't take it no way. But every once in a while, Kendrick got to go get like a real street cat. I'm in L.A., man. You're good. Make sure he sees this, Kendrick, man. the fans want a part two of cartoons and cereal my brother i'm in a whole nother pen realm right now now will be the perfect time you know what i'm saying yeah but yeah all right nah facts that's crazy though i mean like uh but we were talking about how kodak was kind of like uh you know similar to to your rise but he did he had that album where he put kodak on it multiple times because I felt like sometimes he needs that jit energy with his music, you know?

1:17:10He's all intellectual and shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's basically what I'm on right now. Like, if you hear my new music, I'm still going to hit him with some gunplay. But over the years, I like to speak from experience, and my pen game now is grown. You know what I'm saying? My pen game back then, even though y 'all say them some classic verses, I listen to it now and be like, bruh, you know what I'm saying? What I would do to that shit now, you know what I mean? But I leave that where it's at and it did what it's supposed to do. And I thank fans and I thank everybody for, you know, receiving that record the way they did.

1:17:53So you never got to perform that record with Kendrick ever? Mm-mm. Damn. That would be crazy. That would be crazy. That would be crazy. Were you involved when Rick Ross had the whole beef going with the GDs? that there's been YouTube videos made about? No, at that point, I wasn't on the road with them no more. I was doing my thing, yeah. I seen it too, and I just was like, boy. That was a wild saga at the time. That was a wild situation. I'm always praying. I'm a praying dude, man. So when I see things on the internet, I just put prayers over it that just everybody be all right, man. You know what I'm saying?

1:18:30This shit ain't even worth it, man. It's just, it is only a life, man. You only get one of these shits. Have fun, bro. Right. Do your best. Be the best man you can be, bro. F*** all of that shit, dawg. Go get your guala, nigga. Definitely. So, okay. Can we talk about the party in which it ended up that DJ Vlad was assaulted? Yeah. So, I didn't know who Vlad was at the time. I don't know. You know what I'm saying? and I didn't know nothing. So I was talking to a bitch, and I see nigga flip dog hat, and I just ran over there and fucking super cyan, the fucking little bottle of, I had a Sprite bottle from the hotel, the little ones, the little Sprite glass bottle, but it was full to the top with act.

1:19:24So that was gonna be my, you know what I mean? For the day, dog, I was going, and I was sipping that bitch raw. That was not a bottle. You were drinking activists out of a glass bottle, and that's what you used to attack Vlad. Yeah. That's insane. That's an important detail. Yeah. You say, damn, that's an important detail. Am I going to jail? That just sounds crazy. What did the activists spill on the floor? Nah, that shit ain't break or nothing. Wow. That's the good part. And I just went to go, that shit went to rolling. I went to go chasing my bottle. Yeah, my bad. Hell yeah. So you got to pull that bitch down.

1:19:55You still pulled it up? That was all I was worried about. I f***ed whoever that was. I need my bottle, bruh. I just paid for that, bro. It was expensive. Found out who he was later and shit like that and was like, wow. So it wasn't the kind of situation where Ross would sometimes tell y 'all, like, hey, if we see this person, we got to run down on them. It just was more spontaneous? You already know the climate. Niggas don't really be talking like that. Niggas already six-cent shit. You know what I'm saying? We already be knowing what time it is. There must have been a reason why the dude who started the fight with Vlad knew that it was go time, right?

1:20:34Yeah, you know, but I wasn't there to hear anything. You see what I'm saying? All I see is what's going on action, TTG, let's go. Right. You know what I'm saying? That's it. And from your perspective, like, on a scale of 1 to 10, how bad did you whoop him? I didn't whoop him. I just, bink, give me my bottle. Give me my bottle. That was it. But he was already getting it. He was already getting, Molly, he was getting, his shirt was wrinkled, collar stretched, all kind of shit. I don't know what they was doing to him, but I know, hey, man, I got to get mine's in, whoever this is, you know? Right.

1:21:10Yeah, but now it's like, now I'm a different person, bro. It's like, oh. That was Hawaiian shit, right? That was real. Did it seem like just another thing that wasn't that big a deal, but then the lawsuit happens and it seems like a bigger deal? Yeah. And then you find out like, oh, this guy's kind of a thing in hip hop. Yeah, dog. Yeah, yeah. No, he was, I mean. He wasn't that well known. Right. That time compared to now. Right, compared to now. You know what I mean? I think that. 300 or something like that. I don't know. 300 he became. That shit went up. Yeah, that shit. Yeah, I guess he did the right thing with his little fee.

1:21:46Yeah. Did you, like, I think I saw in another interview, you said that Ross never even talked to you about it. he paid out a settlement for that situation, but he never hit you up about it? Nah, it was like, they kept telling me, they were like, oh yeah, you know, they tripping about how you hit them over the head with the bottle. And they kept telling me that, and I'm like, and then when the shit went down and all of that, and then we were having an argument or something like that, I forgot who I was talking to, dog. And they were like, dog, You already costing 300 ,000, cracking niggas over the head with it.

1:22:26I'm like, me? Me. So all this shit, all y 'all did was nothing. That don't count. It's my little bottle. It's count, okay, all right, whatever. Cause I remember that argument. I forgot who I was talking to, dog, but we was arguing and that shit came up and I'm like, wow. That's when the deadly weapon get involved. Yeah, dog, deadly weapon. And that is be a battery. Battery. Oh, damn, you're right. That's why it's like you got to know what type of job you want. Yeah, yeah. If it's just pause, it's just pause. Would you enjoy sitting down? Like, would you be open to it if Vlad was open to doing an interview with you and talking about it?

1:23:08Would you be open to it? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, why not? You know what I'm saying? That's your homeboy, Vlad. That is my homeboy, but I will say that, like, the one thing that over the years he's always kind of made it clear that he just wasn't really trying to talk about on camera was that. It's like the one thing that he just... You asked him about it before? I never even asked him, but I just remember the first time I interviewed him probably almost 10 years ago that he was just like, hey, I got one thing I don't want to talk about. And he said that. Yeah. 10 years ago? Yeah, maybe 8, 9 years ago, but yeah.

1:23:38You know, I'm a whole different person, man. I'm about good business. I don't care about nobody beef. I think it would be a good interview I think it would be amazing I think it would be great come on bro it'll make a lot of views I've seen him squash beef with a lot of people just cause the shit was old I don't even have beef with him I didn't know who he was so even for me to do that you know what I'm saying now the shit that he doing with the everybody calling the police and shit you know whatever dog I'm not finna incriminate my motherfuckers and anything I talk about the statue has been done and the case has been dismissed so it ain't nothing you know what I mean I do wonder also if he thought that the lawsuit was a good idea in the long term because I feel like there are a bunch of artists that are Rick Ross affiliated.

1:24:25I think I heard Vlad mention before that Khaled basically said he was not going to sit down with him to do an interview because of his respect for Ross and everything. So I feel like in a way, maybe it ended up costing him by filing that lawsuit, even though I feel like he probably was still happy he did it because it was the right thing or he felt like he had to stand up for himself in a way. but I wonder how much he cost himself by going that route as well, you know? Yeah. Who? Cost who? What you mean? Like Vlad cost himself just by like maybe spoiling some relationships by filing that lawsuit just because people felt a way about it.

1:25:04I mean with Ross? Yeah, I mean obviously the Ross thing was off the table. Oh, and then not having access to other people that's down with Ross. Yeah, Cali said. Like okay, okay, okay, okay, I get it, I get it, I get it. I mean, he's still going to look, whatever God has for plan for people, bro, it's going to happen, dog. So, you know, I'm saying I guess Khaled wasn't in his in his people's not passing in his journey. Right. You know what I'm saying? So either way. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. He's still doing what he doing. He good. You feel me? You know, you know, is he Jewish? Yes. OK. So.

1:25:39You think he's probably tapped in with the Illuminati that you were talking about earlier? Yeah. He's the one probably got me out the cuffs. Thank you. Shout out to Vlad. I'm bullshit. Oh, shit. But so that same mentality, like if you were to, if somebody were to propose, like, hey, come backstage and speak to 50, would you do that as well? He posted you. I mean, I don't think it's no beef no more, but you know what I'm saying? Listen, I'm going to tell you one thing. And since this case that I beat, you know what I mean? And it changed me as a business mind frame dude. So now I'm all for good business, period.

1:26:26That's it. That's what I have to say about that. I feel like if 50 approved it, you should go on Tony Ayo's podcast with Uncle Murda. No, not yet. No, not yet? they got it they got the they got the uh it has to benefit me okay yeah maybe they'll figure it out it'll benefit them probably true yeah right maybe if you had a project oh i'm not as dumb as everybody be thinking i am brother trust me dog i'm very cold and calculated as well but i just never did it because i was having fun right i was f***ing hoes i was i was i was i was spraying cocaine i was i was trying to live my life oh at one point i want to go get married i want i'll do whatever I want.

1:27:07You know what I'm saying? So it's like shit. You know, now I'm finna really buckle down on this business. So any good business is good business to me. Fuck that. Definitely. Break down how the Bible on the Dash record came about. Bible on the Dash. Where your mind state was at when you recorded that song. Maybe one of the greatest rap songs of all time. God, thank you. And I think a lot of people who are very knowledgeable about hip hop would say so. And I appreciate that. and from the bottom of my heart because that was going to be maybe like the last record I was going to hear from me. You know what I'm saying?

1:27:45I wrote that on the way up to leaving Miami because of the f***ing Bolo. And I was riding up to Atlanta and the f***ing light in my truck kept going out. And it's a fairly new truck, bro. It's like two years old. And the f***ing right light kept going out. I keep trying to pull over, bang it, and get going. And I got my Bible on my dash, and I had that beat for about a year. And that beat, I just never really had, I just never felt in a time to do it. I just was like, I don't want to just rap on this beat, dog. There's something wrong. Something with this beat is like calling me in a different way.

1:28:25That's how I do music. I get deep with this shit with this music, so with beats and shit. but it was calling me in a different way and I was like I don't know what the fuck but I ain't gonna do nothing but now when I put that shit in and I said I think it's time and I knew it was time dog and I wrote that shit on the way to Atlanta you know what I'm saying got up there and the crib I was at had a studio in the basement so I went around there and I recorded it put it out and then that's when he put it on Black Bar Misfa and it just blew man and I was like wow. Did you know that that was some of the best shit that you ever wrote?

1:29:01No. Really? No, I did not. I just knew that it was personal. You know what I'm saying? I just knew it was personal to me. It was like, because that was a time of my life that I never will be in again. You know what I'm saying? If it's God's will, you know, and I rebuke it. You know what I'm saying? And like, at those moments, you have to capture that because you know you're never going to be here again. You see what I'm saying? Like this situation that just happened, And I captured that with an album, with an EP called This Time is Personal. You know, I'll be dropping that probably the end of June.

1:29:33You know, I got the song Bleed Seven Days out right now, referring to the case. I got a song out now called Phases, referring to the case. You know, I don't want to touch too much on that and give no more light to that. But that Bible on the dash, those moments, you got to capture those. That power circle verse, that was at that moment when I was on the run. So I'm writing like as if my life depended on it. Like this is the last thing y 'all going to hear because the next thing y 'all going to hear, I'm sentenced. You see what I'm saying? And then at least you got this. And I did like 20 something, 30 something videos back in the day.

1:30:11I took my cameraman, brought him and I was paying him every week. And we were shooting videos, videos, videos, videos. So when I got locked up, when I turned myself in six days after the BET awards fight, and you see my mug shot, not a scratch on my face. Motherfucking. I was in there for three and a half months waiting for my author hearing. And every Monday I would release a video on Worldstar every Monday for all those three. So niggas ain't even know I was locked up for real. You see what I'm saying? And then when I got out, I still had like four videos left. You see what I'm saying? I had so many.

1:30:52And I was releasing them before when I was on the run still. So all of that, take this to the brain, all that was, I was on the run, all that shit, dog, all that. The bar that stood out to me the most was when you said when rapping was an art and now that shit a jig. Because I feel like a lot of people probably didn't know how much you cared about hip pop and really rapping at that moment. Damn. I'm glad you, that's, that's true bro. Yeah. Yeah. What was going through your head when you wrote that bar in particular? Yeah. I with you. Nah, dog. For real. I appreciate it. Nah, that's real dog. Nah, cause that's, that's, that's how I feel, man.

1:31:29It's like, it's like the art of this shit, man. I, I'm passionate about the art of this shit, dog. I sit there and like, I, I, I'm writing right now. Like I'm, I'm literally writing right now another song, I got this EP I'm about to drop I'm about to drop called Triple C's Is it a different spelling or a different S-E-A-S Strictly recorded audio and video on a yacht out in the middle of the water that's it called Triple C's I'm trying to drop it by my birthday July 18th so it's just showing you different because this time it's like I done went through the storm with all of this shit. So now I want to give you, I'm capturing a moment of time again where I overcame everything.

1:32:19Now I'm on a fucking boat in the middle of nowhere. Fuck everybody. Fuck all y 'all. This is how I feel. You know what I'm saying? It's going to be nice and pretty and it's going to be dope. That one coming out after this time is personal. Yeah, that comes out after this time is personal so you can see the saga. But see that this time is personal. He recorded that shit at the spot. why he had the monitor on his leg. You know what I'm saying? So every day he'll come through and we all in this bitch. You feel what I'm saying? We in that bitch hanging out. And bruh in there like, yo, y 'all boys get the fuck out of the room, close the door and finish his song and catch his Uber back to the crib before his curfew.

1:32:58You know what I'm saying? So we just sitting there watching bruh put this whole shit together with bruh leave. We slide back in the studio. Let me hear what that nigga did. that nigga just snapped on some shit so this time it's personal it's gonna be a lot of them records that has that bible on the dash still it's five of those and to me it's a little bit more advanced cause now he more like talking on shit now he kinda learn how to talk on shit like not just rap but like rap but talk at the same time so like this is one of my favorite projects from bro he did you feel what I'm saying Hell yeah, dawg.

1:33:35That's shit I'm telling you, dawg. And when you listen to it, you're going to understand, yeah, dawg, he's really going, this is personal. Yeah. There is no other way to name that album, dawg, when you listen to it. That's the only thing you can say about it. This time it's personal. And I meant that. And when you hear it, you know what I mean? So go download Bleed Seven Days right now. That's the record that I'm pushing right now. I put it out. I put out Phases. it did good but once I put out Bleed 7 Days I'm getting a real good reaction out of this and especially with people that has been following me through you know this situation the whole journey it's what you want to hear man and if you f*** with Bible on the dash it's these same emotions man and yeah I think I found my lane man I think pain music might be my lane bro I don't know dog I don't know I just you know because a lot of the production that you were on like early in your career was a lot of that sort of Lex Luger you know and it's like but there's like a thing that happens I noticed this with 21 Savage too that like whenever a real street rapper hops on a beat that has like a sample or is more reflective sounding or whatever a lot of times they just find a different pocket and those end up being some of the biggest songs yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah man I just want to work bro.

1:35:01It's a full time job trying to keep this Glock cold. Facts bro. Full time man. That was a real window into your mind. Emotional discipline man. That's emotional discipline right there. You've had to learn a lot of that. I had to bro. I had to dog because they just keep trying to poke the bear and you just got to be like mmm woosah because I'm tired of paying lawyers man. I'm and bills and 65 % lawyer fees. What the f*** is this? Even now? Yeah, even now. Wow. It's just, yeah. But it's cool. I'm getting through it. Definitely. You got it. Okay, so when, like, when did you feel like there started to be some fractures in your relationship with Ross?

1:35:49Was it just the fact that you felt like you weren't necessarily getting the support you needed as a musician? Or was it more personal? I think it's a little bit more personal. It was, it was, there was plenty of times where he had, he told me, you know, like, you, you, you, you disappointing me. You know what I'm saying? And coming from a big bro like that, it's, it's like, when you, you know, you trying, but, you know, hey, it is what it is. You know, maybe it was just not my time. to be that emotionally mature yet to really see, you know what I mean? Like my true, what I can do. Cause if he would have just kept all right, babying me or not, not babying me, but helping me out or just giving me, you know what I'm saying?

1:36:45You out of every situation. Enabling. Enabling. There you go. Then I wouldn't be who I am today. I wouldn't be as. You wouldn't have got your own deal. I wouldn't have got, you know what I'm saying? Went and got my own shit. I wouldn't have did all that. Very video. Yeah, so I make that. I got 641 songs out, bro. You know what I'm saying? That's counted. That's not even counted. That's registered. That's not registered, really. So we're registering all of that shit now. So it's like when I look and see all the body of work I did and all of that, and it's like that made me do that. That made me become who I am.

1:37:22So I thank them for that, actually. You know what I'm saying? I really do. and even though we might not speak or whatever, I just wanted to tell him, I thank him for that. I thank him for the opportunity, putting me on all these records. Even though I said what I said, that was coming from a, I'm fresh off of house arrest, bro. I just watched everybody for two and a half years, just not give a fuck about me. You know what I'm saying? Not reach out, no nothing. So it was like that was just a little thing on my chest. You see what I'm saying? But all in all, you know, hindsight, you know, I really, you know, I'm not apologizing for that.

1:38:03I'm just telling you my reason for that, what I said before and why you would think that, you know, it's like that. But I thank him for taking me on this road and this experience that I had. I fucked all these hoes. I snorted the best fucking powder ever. I performed in hundreds of thousands of people hundreds of times until I got it out my system and I'm tired. I had to do a show now. I'm like, oh, how long is the set? You know what I'm saying? Even though it's second nature and I get up there and I love it, but man, I thank him for that, bro. You know what I'm saying? And other things, man, just the mindset, a lot of things.

1:38:45I've known him since I was 15 years old. Right. You see what I'm saying? I know I'm 15 years old. It's good to hear you take accountability. Basically, you saying that it's probably shit you did to make Ross be disappointed, and he has a reason. But what you think was the final struggle? Because y 'all go from every day kicking it to we ain't kicking it at all no more? You want to know something? I had a birthday party for my 43rd birthday, and it was at Ghost Bar. and my ex-wife put it all together. And that's the one thing that I say that I would never forget. That was priceless what she did for me that night.

1:39:29She brought every single person that I love and started with in this game in one building. How the fuck this motherfucker did that is beyond me, but she did it. I'm talking about Ross. First, let's talk about Earl. Earl's the one that introduced me to Ross. He was in there. Everybody, everywhere. God bless his dead black. He would have been in there. You know what I'm saying? But everybody was in there, dog. And it's like. It was a vibe. It was a vibe, bro. And I was on the stage and I thanked everybody. I got a little emotional because it was just. But that was the last time I talked to every single one of them.

1:40:11Really? word. Haven't talked to them ever since. And what year was this? That was my birthday, January, July 18th, 2023. Really? 43 years old, bro. I never talked to nobody in that room after that since. Would you say that that's just because you've been kind of ducked off as a person? Nah, a month later, that case happened. And then I was on house arrest for two and a half years because my trial date kept getting pushed back due to motions to revoke my bond and stuff like that. And it was two and a half years, and then another year, May 12th makes another year, makes a year that I've been free and not dealing with nothing.

1:40:55So that's three years. I haven't talked to nobody since, and I'm going to just leave it as it is. I'm not going, you know what I'm saying? I'm going to just leave it the way it is. I like it. like it because if they were supposed to be here they'll be here they'll be in my phone let me ask you this who were you closest to from the whole MMG roster Fatboy yeah besides Ross though like cause you got to you know you and Ross y 'all kind of built it together and then y 'all started bringing in more people like even Sam Sneak the DJ he was around early on right yeah I'm close with Sneak too so besides like him who was you close to like Wale, Meek who was you oh with the whole MMG side of things Nah, we, I met them a couple of times.

1:41:35You know what I'm saying? I met them a couple of times. So when y 'all doing Power Circle, y 'all just more sending y 'all verses in? Yeah, yeah, yeah. With Power Circle, we had to send in, everybody had to send in their video. And that's the, I did it in front of the crib that I was hiding at. But so the door is technically open where like, you know, there's no like obvious reason why you and Ross would not be getting along right now. it's more just both of you haven't really taken the opportunity to hit each other up besides like the shit that kind of has gone on in the media uh over the last year or so um the door is still i mean you know the door is always open for me but i know him you know what i'm saying stubborn you know where it's yeah i know i know i know i know i'm like a book so i'm gonna just leave it alone you know what I'm saying um and but of course of course I would like to smoke a joint with my brother one more time are you saying you know him what do you think it takes for y 'all to get back cool he's waiting on you to come to him um I probably I probably uh I probably uh because I was just about to get him a booking for like like like I don't like six figures like nice six figures and shit and they was waiting to go right before the incident my people was about because he wanted a little bit more money so my people was going to go get up another like 40 or another 50 to put on top of the whoop so I was waiting for them they told me like 21 days because they was in Africa you know what I'm saying so I'm waiting on that and whoop then that shit happened so I believe if I put about 300 in dog pocket real quick for a show and go holla at them and say what's up bro I think he'll be alright with that you know what I'm saying just the fact that you have a relationship going back to being 15 like when I think about it I don't really talk to anybody that I knew when I was in high school damn near maybe like two people like you know it's just life kind of separates you from the people that you knew when you were that young unless you really have a reason to be interacting with each other I feel like I don't know is there a part of you that feels like you'll regret it as you grow older if you don't reach out No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

1:43:48I make my bed and I love laying in the beds I make. You know what I'm saying? That's just me. I'm not in it. I don't regret nothing. I make my bed. I lay in it. Now it is what it is. You know what I'm saying? Love him. My brother, you know, doors always open. I would always, you know, love to smoke a joint, you know, talk shit, maybe do some business. But other than that, I got a lot of time to make up for, bro. I can't be worried about what another nigga doing and what another nigga doing. That's really all it comes down to sometimes with relationships, bro. Sometimes it be about you having to get yourself all the way where you want to be so you could even be in the right mindset to even, you know what I'm saying?

1:44:30Let's just sit down and come to you and talk to you about shit. But I got my shit together. You dig what I'm saying? So I'm not coming to you like I need you for nothing, gang. You know, I don't need no favors, no nothing. I just coming to you as a brother. You feel what I'm saying? Because we all go through that shit with our younger homies and shit. Where they get, some of them, they get stuck to where it's like, you know what I'm saying? It's like, you got to enable it. Some of them, they grow up with me like, man, I ain't finna come around you niggas until I get me some motion, dog. You feel me?

1:45:03Because I don't need you just buying the bottles by yourself in the club, man. I don't need you doing this by yourself. You feel me? That's when niggas get to a certain level. So sometimes it becomes It's all about timing dog You know what I'm saying That's it That's it Ross wasn't feeling you Being on Love and Hip Hop though Cause he was vocal He was like He threw 20 years away Just tongue kissing With that girl on the Don't listen to that nigga dog Don't listen to that nigga dog He wasn't feeling The Love and Hip Hop Don't listen to him bro When he talking about He's a fucking character bro He talking about I threw 20 years away 20 years He's hilarious But you gotta understand he's a character bro do you feel like love and hip hop hurt your career in a sort of long term sense or you think it was worth it um nah I'm a I'm a I'm a street nigga dog like I was on there just busting a lick fool you know what I'm saying what you want me to do like I'm one of them I'm one of you know I'm one of them so it's like when I'm on there they know they know it's like okay he you know he trying he trying to do something you know what I'm saying but I'm busting a lick they pay real good You tripping.

1:46:10Hell yeah. Let me get that. I made a lot of money with that motherfucking shit. The old school hip hop mentality is that you can't do anything outside of rapping because it's going to up your image and make you look weird. But as we grow as a culture or whatever, it's like you look at somebody like Blueface who's out here beefing with this girl on stream, got a new bitch every other stream, beefing with them going crazy. There's all these different podcasters and streamers, etc. It's like being messy doesn't preclude you from having a rap career in the way that I think we all used to assume that it did.

1:46:45So the love and hip hop thing doesn't seem as crazy as it maybe seemed at that time. Yeah, like it, you know, niggas can say what they want to say, but at the end of the day, I put out good music when I do. You know what I mean? and just because I'm on there, you know, I'm trying something, man. I have, you know, I really want to act, man. You know, I'm starting to process. I'm finna get my veneers and do all of that shit, but I got to do a big old process before I do that. So when I do, when I get it done, I will be out here. I'm finna go get me a casting agent, and I'm finna spend a month out here, man, and I need to get right, you know what I'm saying?

1:47:29So this time next year, it's going to take a year for my shit to get right. So this time next year, I'm coming back, bro. Why is Rick Ross beefing with Drake? Why is Rick Ross beefing? He's beefing with Drake again? Well, no, previously. Oh. Presumably it's still active. What the fuck be going? Why? I don't know. We never, I mean, we could kind of assume there's girl drama mixed in, but we don't know what the initial thing is. It's not about a bitch. I don't think that was what started it. I think that girls just become pawns in the whole thing. Oh, yeah, dawg. Just come on. I don't know why. They got so many hits together.

1:48:05Why would they be beefing? He just put out a saying that he want to see Drake win. See Drake win. I saw that. I saw that part. I saw that little clip of that. He's not beefing, man. You kind of got to say that, right? It's like when your op dies and you got to be like, oh, man, I feel terrible. You eat Drake now, dude. No, but I'm saying, like, you know, that's like a gangster thing. Like if your ob goes to prison, you got to be like, man, free him. He's got to say like, yeah, I want to see Drake win. Drake probably going to win regardless. He kind of got to say it. Troll shit. He was on some troll shit, bro.

1:48:38You got to understand. I don't think he was on some troll shit, though. Hell yeah. That nigga was talking about a nose job and all kind of shit before that, boy. Oh, word? Yeah. Yeah. Right before that, bro. I thought it was a tweet. Like he typed the shit out. It was some shit. He said something about some nose job or something, bro. I don't know what the hell going on, but all I know, he's hilarious, bro. How much was you around Drake and all these guys? I met Drake one time at KOD. What? Yeah, one time. This was like when he was like the first little album and shit. He had mixtape or whatever that was that was popping, and he was with Wayne and all of that, and they came to KOD.

1:49:18I just dapped him up, said what's up. That was it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. now that is a crazy one just because drake always showed him so much respect always talked about ross like he was the goat and then somehow it fell apart and we don't really understand exactly take a guess wild guess first rapper i ever met in new york i don't know all right you're getting close africa bambada no

1:49:45who the f is that bro nigga you don't want me I don't wanna know, bro. Same way. Just chill, dawg. Just chill, bro. Just chill, bro. Shit, French. Just chill. Hey, French. Hey, French. Just chill, your pause, son. French? Nah. Nah, different generations, right? Mm-mm. Oh. I'm trying to think. New York back during that. I don't even know where you live. 88? All right, 88. We're going way back. Let's do 87, 88. 88. 88, 89, 88. Damn. Who was the hottest fucking artist around 88? DMF? Nah, nah. 88? How old you is? 33. How old you is? 42. Okay, so I'm 46, so you four years old. I'm throwing Rakim out there, but no.

1:50:26All right. LL Cool J. LL Cool J. What was he doing? Green Acres Mall. Oh, really? They had a big old crowd. I'm like, who's that? I'll go over there. It's LL Cool J. I forgot what record he had at the time, dog. It was one of them hard-ass records, bro. He had a hard record out, dog. All I can remember, I dap him up, and the motherfucker I had some cologne on. That shit smelled good as fuck to this day. I got it. I got it. I don't know what that was, but yeah. Wow. Fun fact. Nah, that's what you mean right there. Yeah. What was your thoughts on Diddy getting locked up and everything you seen Diddy go through?

1:51:02Because Ross - So being a freak is crazy. Yeah. For just being a, you know, let it know. How many times you met Diddy? You said you only met Drake one time. I met Diddy two times. Only twice? Yeah, I met Diddy two times. One was at a video shoot One of Raw's video shoots And he had like two holes with him And I gave him a CD My CD, my mixtape He probably flinged it or whatever But I gave it to him Please tell me this fell out your pocket skinny man Please tell me this fell out your pocket skinny man Nah, you ain't doing like that Nah, nah, nah I hope so. And then the next time was a Super Bowl party.

1:51:51One of my homeboys was like, man, you want to go over there, man? They got some hoes, man. Come over. You know what I'm saying? I'll get you in. I'm like, all right, shit. Went around there and seen him trade songs. I asked him for a blunt. Then they said they didn't have one. Did he? Yeah. He told you he didn't have no weed for you? No blunt. I needed no blunt. I needed like a cigar. And then the game was on or whatever and the like some you know just the way I was dressed the people that were coming in wasn't dressed the way I was dressed so I just was like alright I'm looking like the odd man out let me get the out of here.

1:52:32Well you're a gun player you're allowed to be the odd man out right? Yeah but yeah. If Diddy had asked you to Cassie would you have complied? Oh lord. Wow. Um, yeah, without him in the room. I don't know. Him being in the room might be part of the deal. No, no, no, no. Chill, chill. Not with him in the room. Hell yeah. I would have got the Tony Yeo meme face. I feel like I know so much about Diddy because I've heard all of these male escorts go on Vlad and talk about f***ing her in front of him. I heard five or six of these dudes talk about it to the point where I feel like I know exactly how it went down.

1:53:13that's crazy bro I just I just if that's how I don't know if I want that much money I don't know I don't know if I want that much bro like if if it's I don't know I don't know ah that's crazy bro did he be alright man I don't know I see my future is he over there he'll be alright I actually I agree I think he's gonna have a big career when he gets out yeah I don't see I don't see a freaky future in my shit I see some fish fishing and bitches and Costa Rica and yachts and shit and just being like letting my grays out Are you kind of torn in that regard where it's like obviously you could keep doing shit in the entertainment world there's all kinds of things you could do but it seems like you do have like a desire to have a little bit of solace and serenity.

1:54:01Yes I do I do because and if I do entertainment I'm always going to do entertainment because I signed up for life this is what I signed up for me me personally you know what I'm saying I will always do something if whether if it's managing if it's writing if it's acting if it's podcast if it's a show if it's something rapping whatever the fuck it is I'm gonna be doing entertainment that's just me you know what I mean and I and and that's why I'm gonna take acting as my final thing because um it's something that I always wanted to do, number one. Number two, I could do it for the rest of my life and fulfill my contract I made with myself about entertainment until you leave here.

1:54:46You will leave here, entertain the world, and give them a look on the inside of what a real person is, dog. A person that doesn't lie to they self for sitting there and have, be proud of, you know, I can't explain the ego all of that shit dog you can still do this shit you don't gotta you know what I'm saying you don't gotta go behind and choose that door over there and do you know and do weird shit dog you can just have love for the art the craft and still make it dog and still do what you do dog you don't have to what if 50 wanna put you in one of his movies or shows of course Ross won't be mad that's not taking it too far for him why why that's a business move Ross is about business but I feel like you're someone who cares about not only being loyal, but appearing loyal.

1:55:37And even though you and him don't have a current relationship, it still might come off strange. Like, you don't want it to come off like, look, I'm in this movie as a way for 50 to take a shot at Ross. Nah, that's a business move, man, for me. I'm worried about me. I have to worry about Gunplay's career. What is Richard, you know what I'm saying? What is Richard's next move? Because all that shit is, if you ask me, I'm not into that shit no more. That shit was, I done showed you what I think about this situation. I showed you what, and I basically was out there in the forefront about this shit.

1:56:17Physical. Frontline. Frontline physical. So I don't have to prove my loyalty. I got to prove my business. You know what I'm saying? I ain't got to prove my loyalty no more. My shit there. You know what I'm saying? Y 'all seen what I, what, what, what, what, what? You know what I'm saying? my shit well documented you feel me so when it come to this of course i'll do that shit because it's business now i'm not worried about none of that oh nigga that nigga looked at a nigga wrong and all this weird shit nah nigga that shit i already went i already i already fought about it so now i'm gonna get some money you know what i'm saying so if anybody it don't matter if it's 50 cent or or or 25 cent i don't give a fuck you know what i'm saying i need some good business going on if a nigga want to act oh i'm really doing this acting shit i gotta i gotta i gotta a uh a movie out now that i'm in called uh realgoons.com on uh on tubi you know what i'm saying that was a they just put it out but it was it was we shot it a while ago but that was like my first like i got my acting bug nah you know what i'm saying i'm like oh now i gotta do this shit bro i could do this yeah yeah did you watch the uh rick ross and french montana verses the the other day?

1:57:26Did you catch it? Bits and pieces. Bits and pieces. It was dope. It was dope. It was close. I think I seen the thing. I think Ross had nine and French ended up with 10. 10 nine. Yeah I think you had French one. Yeah yeah by hair. Yeah. That was dope though. That was dope though. On paper it look like Ross gonna smoke French. Right and then all of a sudden I just said do da da da. I saw it. I didn't even know it go like that. Shout out French and Ross but you know. I didn't even know it go like that. They actually do the house. Yeah, they tally it up. That was dope as fuck. It was super dope to see both of them celebrate each other.

1:58:03I looked at that shit. I'm like, oh, that's how that shit go? Yeah, dog. Animal shelter chain. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, that would have been hard. Why the name Animal Shelter? You said. Man, we underdogs, bro. You know what I'm saying? I'm the underdog. I always feel like I'm the underdog. And they always be, you know? You know, that's how I feel like, you know, until we get there, then we'll be the big dog. Then I'll be the big dog. But now right now I feel like I'm the underdog. And that goes for any artist that, you know, I with, man, they story is they art to me. They music is just the byproduct of that.

1:58:44You know what I'm saying? They life, what they been through. They really have to be through, been through something to be with Animal Shelter. You see what I'm saying? Like, just like how you have strays out there that they've been through something. Now they in the shelter. And then they getting right. They getting guidance. They getting whatever. And then, hey, man, hey, I see this artist you got, man, over there. Da-da-da-da-da-da. Man, I want to sign him. Da-da-da-da-da. He's bubbling over here, bubbling over there. We got artists in New Orleans, New York, Carolina, Texas, Atlanta, you know, Jacksonville, New York.

1:59:20I mean, Miami. You know what I'm saying? So it's a bunch of us. And I've been rocking with these niggas for years, but I'm just not really putting it out there. It feels like a lot of the, you know, sort of older rappers that are legends in the game have kind of lost interest with trying to do the business model of signing younger artists like Gucci clearly kind of over it. Ross has fallen back. At one point, that was like the whole basis of his life was having this big-ass collective. I feel like it takes like a very specific type of person to want to take on that responsibility of running around with younger rappers like that, you know?

1:59:57Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right now, I'm basically like, I'm going to see to do independent. If you put out independent music, you have to do it the right way. A lot of rappers don't know how. I just now figured out how to upload. Shout out to King B. Shout out to King B and Mike. Shout out to Mike over there. Shout out to King B and Mike. They've been teaching me step by step from media base to Luminate to all of these platforms of how to register your shit and get your shit really, you see what I'm saying? It's knowledge that they ain't teaching us that how you could really get paid. Even if you don't sell 10 ,000, you know what I'm saying?

2:00:53A million, you still could get paid for your 5 ,000 records. You could still make a living and build on that. You see what I'm saying? They're not teaching us that. So with animal shelter, once, once, once I've, once I figured this shit out, all I'm going to do is pass it on. you see what I'm saying and you know let me get my PC but pass it on and then now you can you have the game to build you can start from scratch and watch every record you put out count you see what I'm saying and you can work at your own pace now if you want to go crazy you're gonna get crazy money that's just how the independent grind go nobody taught us that dog you know I've just been doing majors my whole life and shit like that major this major that trying to get a major deal major this then went with empire and still didn't learn the ins and outs of the game how this shit really go like even your lyrics you get paid for fucking lyrics and shit like that like i ain't know none of this so so the two and a half years that i had i had to study this i had to really like like like figure out like okay i know i want to do the independent but i don't know how i'm gonna do it let me just try distro kid thinking i'm doing something i meet king b i meet mic they put me on game some whole different what the oh a whole different part of the game that we just ain't familiar with you feel what i'm saying and we street it's all kind of new too yeah it's like the shit has all been coming together you couldn't learn that in 2010 exactly facts facts so i'm just watching this and i'm and and and i'm watching the ci go and um i'm learning and you know in the next six months man once i figure all this out and get all my songs registered and shit now we really getting some motion you know what I'm saying from music because all my music has been either one offs or or or or what you call them shits buyouts you know what I'm saying like they'll give me you know you know 50 ,000 and record here and record these two mixtapes and I don't really get nothing off of that you see what I'm saying but I get the money up front I did a hundred of those kind of little deals and shit like that like I mean we did that joint down here with Mozzie with Mozzie yeah we was out here Yeah, we did it out here too.

2:03:01I did one solo and one with Mazzy out here. Oh, that's my story. Yep, yep. What's called? Headlocks and headshots and dreadlocks. Shout out to Omar, man. Omar just hit me too early, dawg. Shout out to Omar, man. Let me ask you this. Who would you put on your Florida Mount Rushmore music? You got four faces that put on for Florida. Put on for Florida, dawg. It would have to be Trick, JT, Money, Luke, Rick Ross. and damn Plies yeah it would have to be that for sure Plies crazy legend in the space yeah yeah Grand Theft Auto 6 Miami what's up it's gonna be big for Miami whenever you drive around with somebody who's not from here in LA everybody like oh shit that's the shit from GTA like it just permanently sears it into people's brains man.

2:04:00Just doing that shit looking at the mountains on the highway. I'm like look at this shit the big old tunnel that shit look y 'all fucking architecture and shit. Whatever you call it. Now you can walk right out the door here and it's just mountains and we forget that that is not something people are used to being in a city seeing huge mountains so close. Shit look fake. Yeah it does look kind of fake if you think about it yeah. Facts. Nah for sure. Yo this has been a legendary conversation. I wanted to do this for years. Oh, man, that's dope, though. I just appreciate you pulling up, man. I wanted to come on here, too, man, and say what's up to you, man.

2:04:35Hey, I mean, I clicked on a few interviews I was watching, and I'm like, man, they got too much girl shit, these interviews and stuff. They got to talk to Gunplay about the fucking rapping and all the crazy shit you've been in throughout the years, man. I'm so tired of talking about that shit, though. That's over with, man. The music is my thing right now, man. I just want to, everybody wants it and I'm going to give it to them, dog, you know? That Triple C shit going to be crazy on the yacht. Triple C. We going to record that shit on the yacht. Yep, yep. We got a whole bunch of other animal shirts and shit coming out, but we just holding off on all that until all the business get right.

2:05:12Man, shout out to Medicine. Shout out to D-Day. Motherf*****. Shout out to Swelly. Swelly, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Peso. Peso. Man, come on, man. Toot toot. Shout out to my brother Tutu. Yeah, dawg. You already know. You know how the Moose said to the dawg, niggas been working for a minute. Bro, put that shit together. Niggas were flying to Miami like - Free Mike Mike. Like six months, bro. Mm-hmm. And just lock in 14, 15 hours in the studio. Yeah. 10 different people from like 10 different states. You know what I'm saying? With 10 different stories and shit. And they all certified. You dig what I'm saying?

2:05:49Yeah. So it's like when we go in there, when we start making these relationships with these niggas this is different and bruh put all that shit nobody i just i just knew everybody's character and i knew that if i put everybody in this room together to record it won't be no problem and it'll be fine i put like what what eight niggas dog yeah dog we two days book two days out dog we were eight hours a day eight hours all day two days and we got it we three days we our videos we never even dropped. Yeah. One of them is Pop the Lock. Pop the Lock. One of them, Pop the Lock. That's all us. You know what I'm saying?

2:06:26Minus one that couldn't make it. Shout out to Kano. ATL. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, dawg. I appreciate you having me, brother. And like I said, dawg, thanks. Appreciate it. We got the 3D printed ashtray. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thanks for my gift. Nah, you can have that. That'd be legendary for you. in your crib at some point. What? If I ever see that again on social media, I'll be honored. Yes. Sure, you got it. Thank you. You can empty the ashes out in the trash can, too. We got you. You got more ashtrays where that came from. Hey, Gunplay, man. The legend. Shout out to Lito. Appreciate you.

2:07:08Shout out to Remo helping me come up with the questions for this interview. Definitely one of my favorite interviews I've done in a minute, man. Thank you for real. Shout out, Gunplay. Yes, sir. No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. Check us out on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, etc. Like, comment, and subscribe. And shout out to all the members who got to see this interview early. Appreciate y 'all. Already.