Hellkat on Becoming a Blood, Lesbian Politics, Racism Accusations & More

26:03that dildo nine inch motherfucker yeah wait a minute the dildo has never been inside you no i don't play them guys okay that's gay just i was just checking that's hey shit that's worse than kissing a nigga have you ever had a have you ever had a dildo inside you no a butt plug no two fingers no okay the only person i ever put a finger in my ass was me oh yeah man I'm not gonna lie I was 16 I was in the shower I just wanted to see what it felt like so I just and what you was just like oh no I don't want to do that again yeah I never want to do it again you do know the day that you decide to have a gay sex I'm not gonna do that I'm just saying though the day that you decide to have a gay sex scene it's gonna break the internet bigger than your wife.

26:57I don't think I want to break the internet in that way. I'm just saying. Hey, I'm just saying. Yeah, I'll break the internet in literally every other way. I'll get like the school shooter clout stimulus. I'll do the like Fed case for God knows what stimulus. I'll do all that before the gay stimulus. Man, I dare you go saying stuff like that. Now shit, I'm sitting with you and when I take my ass back home, somebody gonna say, see man, you the police sitting with Adam. You haven't committed, you haven't answered to any crimes yet. You haven't committed any crimes or admitted to any crimes. Oh, no, I don't do that.

27:32So, when did you decide that you were a blood? Shit, it's like, shit, that's what my OGs were. The blood, actually, Tim Johnson, his name is Sinister. He, a family, family swans. He used to come down whenever it would be some murders or some shootings or some robberies. He'd come down to my neighborhood because my OG and him, they're first cousins. Okay. So I met Tim when I was like 13. I didn't even know he was out here in LA demonstrating the way him and his brother Evil was demonstrating. Because I was like, when you meet a motherfucker, you just think they cool. You know what I'm saying? So were you just a blood or you like a blood with ops?

28:29Like was there already like ops happening in this whole situation or not really? It was inherited. Like if you was beefing with my OGs, we all inherited it. Like shit, yeah. Because it's us before anything. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, man. It wasn't just in Red Oak where I'm from. It wasn't just bloods. It was some Crips there. You know what I'm saying? but uh but was it up or was it kind of like everybody's just doing their own thing no in the hood we all the hood but everybody still got their own individual cliques you know what I'm saying and my niggas used to be the OGs they used to be popping they used to have the money you know what I'm saying the bitches and cars and shit was it ever controversial that you were a woman I mean there's always girls and gangs people used to ask my OG they used to say Dion what you doing hanging out with that little girl Yeah.

29:24You know? Oh, man, that's my little homegirl. That's Cat. You know? That's all, you know? And I don't even got to ask you the question that we always secretly want to ask the female gang members. Nah. I ain't get my d*** sucked to get in. Did you get f***ed on or put on? No, no, no. That's a dangerous question. You could get smacked across your face by a stud if you asked that question to the wrong one. You say, man? That's why I'm not asking it. Really? I ain't going to - Just acknowledging it. about you just trying to degrade my gangster, you really can get snapped about it. Never that. All right.

29:58I'm just hypothetically throwing it out there. But really. Because you already made it perfectly clear to me that no d*** has ever gone anywhere near you. And ain't no d*** winning you. Why is that so hard to believe? Like, it's like, niggas got it. Have you ever had a d*** in your booty dirt? You don't even jerk off. That's what I'm trying to say. Some things just. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel you. um but so okay were you were you hustling as a young jit shit chill what kind of hustle i've been hustling all my life though what were you doing shit selling dope and whatever the i can i can get my hands on sometimes the motherfucking dope things come through with playstations and computers and all kind of shit i want all that shit i'm selling all that shit really okay no bullshit.

30:44So would you say that you were good at the hustle of selling dope? To me, let me be real, Adam, it's like a double negative because you can't be good at selling dope. Now you can make a lot of money. I made some money. But come on, man, you can't be successful at selling dope. It's like a double negative. Because it just is gonna end badly no matter what? For me, what my eyes have seen. I ain't never seen no nigga really make it selling dope. No, because I mean, the whole nature of why, like, okay, maybe if you're a drug trafficker where the only people that you're touching is the Kinect, and then the next person that you're selling it to, maybe you could pull that up for a long time.

31:26But if you're standing on a corner, or you got a phone full of junkies that are hitting you up wanting to buy shit, what are we talking about? Like, you got 50 people on your phone that are all going to rat on you. Right. But back then, it was, see, it wasn't about how many to come spend with you. It's just you have the right to come spend with you. Like me, for instance. I used to have motherfuckers that had them chicks on the first and the third. You know what I'm saying? Them army vits and them veterans and shit. Motherfuckers that love, that dope and didn't have no money through the month.

32:00So I might take an ounce or two and pop that motherfucker down just for credit. I want double and triple on everything on the first and the third. You know what I'm saying? No, shit. Did you ever get caught? Yeah, I've been caught. How bad did it get? No, one day I was chilling on 17th, and I was hustling. You know what I'm saying? I was at my boy Chimp House. R.I.P. Chimp. I was at my boy Chimp House, and I got caught with two ounces of work. I didn't see them. I just seen them like leaning in my car, and I'm trying to serve them. and I heard a motherfucker, yeah, oh, police got me, I'm going to be football tackle that motherfucker, trying to bust my motherfucking window.

32:46You know what I'm saying? Trying to get me to stop. But when they, I could have fought the charge, but my dumb ass didn't know that then. I was like, oh, man, y 'all give me probation, go. That type shit. What y 'all, man? Shit, that dope guy used to be funny. You know what it's like selling dope in the 90s, Adam? I don't. Good for you. I assume it was, I don't know. I mean, I assume it was probably easier than now because there's just less surveillance. The cops aren't as smart. But it still was hard. It still was difficult because you still had niggas that want to rob you. You know what I'm saying?

33:25You got bitches that want to fuck you. They got niggas that want to rob you. You know what I'm saying? And if you popping in the city, everybody looking at you. Like Little Rock, I'm a Candy Paint ride. I know my soul will always look at me. Yeah, it doesn't seem like a good idea. Yeah. It's like wearing a big sign on your head that says, I robbed a bank or I sold dope. Man. Well, shit. That's what we, you know. It wasn't nothing else to do. But you never did jail or prison time? No, I ain't never go to the penitentiary. I've been to jail plenty of times, though. Okay. You know what I'm saying?

33:59But no, I ain't never go to the penitentiary. Thank you, God! I mean, I have not spent a lot of time in Little Rock, but I mean I assume that any kind of flexing is gonna stand out because it's like, there ain't no reason for there to be rich people. Like out here, you could be a rich person and the cops could at least be like, well, he's a rapper I guess, or he's a clothing designer or some shit. Like out there, it's like what the fuck are you gonna, how you gonna blend in? Cause there's so many money getting niggas. Yeah? Right there. Niggas getting money. You know what I'm talking about? Candy painted cars and shit, big rims, diamonds, I was like, that's, it's just a, it's a sport.

34:38You know what I'm saying? I'm getting more money than you. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. But so it's not like it's just one. But for me, I was always excused because the police always was like, oh, man, she want to be a nigga. That motherfucker ain't doing nothing. You know what I'm saying? Definitely. Yeah. Did you ever stop to think for a second, maybe I should transition? What do you mean transition? I like myself. To a woman. Or to a man, I mean. No. Why would I do that? I don't want to be a man. Okay, but you relate to the male experience and you kind of consider yourself a dude to such an extent.

35:15No, I don't. You do. I know who I am. No, you just said it was gay for you to kiss a guy. Exactly. That's gay. But that's like you think that you're a guy. No, I don't. I know that I'm Hellcat. And it's gay for Hellcat to look at a nigga like that. You don't know what it's like to be on testosterone. so it just makes me wonder if you would love it if you were to get on and you'd be like, oh my God, this is the real me. That shit make you grow hair on your face. That's one part of it. I don't want that shit. Really? I mean, you shave. I don't want to be a dude. Okay. See, listen, Adam, once y 'all understand, all stars don't want to be men.

35:50Well, probably none of them or else they would do it or a very small percentage. It's kind of expensive. And nothing against my trends. Yeah. Because it's a lot of people that transition, you know? I got love for people that, you know, because I know that they go through something, a whole different struggle that me and you don't know about. For real. So I got love and respect for people who had the courage to be themselves. However, that ain't what Hellcat want to do. You know what I'm saying? For sure. I'm okay with me. I just feel like a little testosterone. You might be like, this motherfucker's crazy.

36:25We already got a lot. This nigga crazy. You probably do. Actually, I think statistically gay women have more testosterone than straight women. So you do have more than the average woman, probably. Man, who told you that? I think I read a study or might have been a tweet. I don't know. Okay, so when did you decide to start rapping? And was that like, oh, I'm done with the streets, I'm going to start rapping? Oh, no. It wasn't like that. You got to understand, man, my childhood was different and that's all I had. So, shit, I started rapping when I was about 13, 14 years old. Oh, okay. Yeah. 13, basically.

36:59At what point did you start taking it the most serious when you really made a run at it? Because you were Cat Daddy. My friend, yeah. How the fuck do you know that? You say it again. You hear how you say it? Cat Daddy. You don't know how to say it. What's wrong with that? She don't like that name. No? That's your old rap name, though. Man, that's me. That's what everybody knows. Well, because the Cat Daddy is also a dance, right? It is. Yeah. A lot of my niggas, when them motherfuckers got to dance and it was like, Cat, man, who the f*** is these niggas, man? We need to see these niggas, man. They trying to take your name.

37:32I was sitting there for a second just thinking like, wait, did she invent the Cat Daddy? Like, there's no way, right? No, no. Okay, no. It is funny, though. I am Cat Daddy, though. Okay. And shit, I know that. I had sat here for two years and y 'all didn't know that. That that was your original name? Man, like, yeah. Like, that's me. See, a lot of people just think, oh, that's Hellcat. See, my boy Sauce Walker helped me brand Hellcat. You see what I'm saying? See, I've been Hellcat about seven years. I ain't tried to rap like in the last ten. How'd you get introduced to Sauce Walker? Oh, shit, on the internet.

38:07Oh, yeah? Mm-hmm. And he told you to run with the Hellcat name? Not that. It's just that a lot of people call me a lot of different things. I heard him call me Hellcat. I heard him call me Sauce Gotti, Cat Gotti. You never thought about being Sauce Cat? Kat? No. Me and Sauce had a situation going from a time or two. Okay. But at that time, I really wasn't trying to rap. See, when I tried to rap, bro, I got a lot of plugs. I got a lot of friends. And it's big. Like Skyface, he gave me my cosign. Right. You know what I'm saying? Miami Mike, that's my nigga. Hey, salute to you, Mike. Soldier, that's my nigga.

38:50I know Debra Atney. shit I met all kinds of people including you know just a lot of different people you know what I'm saying I met Deb when I had a meeting in Brick Squad on my birthday one year how long ago are we talking? I can't really remember 2010 or earlier? I don't know like the era of Flocka and Gucci being together and shit that was over by like 2010 She was definitely hot. She was managing Nicki Minaj and French Montana. Yeah, that's pre-2010 for sure. Gucci. She was managing all of them and Flocka. Yeah. And I had a meeting with her. Her son. And she wanted to. Like, she is so dope.

39:37Deb is so dope. Like, I'm cool with her now. And I respect her. You know what I'm saying? But she knew it was going to be a lot of work to try to put a m**** like me on then. Definitely. You know what I'm saying? Who are the most important, I don't even want to say stud, but the most important lesbian female rappers in history?

40:00Missy Elliott. Queen Latifah. Definitely Missy Elliott, too. But then, at some point, well, yeah. But at some point, they weren't studs no more. Yeah. See, they weren't studs no more. I don't think of either of them as studs. I definitely think Young M.A. is a stud. What year did we go and go sitting with the president of Def Jam? About the same time frame. Right. So, like, man, yeah, I've been doing this shit a long time. Missy Elliott may be a little bit of a stud. But she's just all fashionable and shit. She's wearing garbage bags. She done had dicks, you know what I'm saying? Yep, she done had dicks.

40:40Good point, Dirk. But, hey, salute to Missy Elliott because she is a hell of a creative. She's still a hell of a creative. King's taking it away from her. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Whether she had dick, she ain't no stud. I don't even, I don't even, I don't think she's ever even said she was gay, right? Right. Like, we're just assuming, which is kind of bizarre. Have you ever seen her with a boyfriend? No. Me neither. I don't even think I've seen her in like dozens of years. It's alleged. Let me say alleged. Yeah. Because I learned from Tasha Kay, you got to say alleged. But you got a gay dog.

41:11I do got a gay dog. Is she? Yes. Hey, I asked Chad G.P.T. Missy Elliott has never publicly stated she identifies as gay, lesbian, or bisexual. Over the years, there's been rumors, but she's never confirmed anything. Now ask them, has she came out to be straight? Gotta play the devil's advocate. Well, okay, so even in this answer, she has said in interviews that she prefers to let her music speak for herself and doesn't discuss her romantic life publicly. She dodged a question. But you know, there's a lot of people in Hollywood that are like unbelievably blatantly gay but have never admitted it.

41:46Like, you know the full Pedro Pascal, the actor? No. He's in the Fantastic Four and The Last of Us and all these movies and stuff. Oh, yeah, The Last of Us, okay. He is, if you ever see him talk, he's the gayest dude you've ever seen in your life. He's never admitted it, though. Yeah. It's kind of interesting, you know? I don't know what the fuck they're doing. They better get some of this gay money. Speaking of... But let's be real. It's going to affect your career significantly. He gonna get the gay. Man, listen, Hollywood loves gays. Hollywood loves gays. Even Diddy, he's gonna come out even after rubbing nigger's nut on his nipples, on his titties, he gonna come out and he gonna get some old money.

42:27He might even come out with Diddy oil, Diddy juice, whatever, it's gonna sell. Honestly, I love that idea, but I kind of doubt that he wants to bring back those memories over and over. Man, shit, if he gonna capitalize off of it, somebody else gonna do it. yeah I mean but still to this day we do not have like definitive proof that Diddy has ever done anything homosexual although obviously the nipple rubbing of the cum come on come on bro what did you how much gay do you that's gay as okay but I'm saying that Vlad interviewed like eight different escorts right that were banging out Cassie in front of Diddy right zero of them said that Diddy did anything gay to them now I'll acknowledge that the nipple cum thing is like the craziest shit ever, but it's not sucking a dick.

43:10Because you can't unsuck a dick. It shows so many motherfuckers that suck the dick. Dead homies. If you think about sucking a dick, bitch, you are gay. You poor ass nigga, you gay. You got to think about it. Have you ever thought about sucking a dick? Of course. Just long enough to decide not to. You decide to suck the skin off a dick. No, no, I decided not to do it. So you said, I'm going to put the dick close to my face and see if I'm going to kiss it. Let me get close enough to smell it. You funny as fuck, Adam. But you one of the people who don't see what we're talking about. But what about, okay, do you know what I've thought about?

43:44What? I've thought about sucking my own dick. Oh, you a big time freak. Like, just if I could, I can. Your neck, you a rubber neck like that? I'm just saying, like, if I could, would I? Joe Rogan says that he can do it. You would do it? No, I don't think so. Joe Rogan used to, and I fuck with Joe Rogan. But come on, man, he used to host Fear Factor. that was one of the challenges suck your own dick no I'm too scared shit that's funny as fuck yo it would be hella funny to do Fear Factor and then you just have to give head man that's down there how you gotta eat this gross no no like a series and like hey Fear Factor we just bring out like a 500 pound fear factor they some dirty They'll put you in a coffin full of worms and give you$200.

44:37And that's in the fear factor. That's the exact kind of thing that we're going to do. You got this woman in a coffin full of worms. In a snake for a pit full of snakes. I mean, we're going to call it factor. Fear fuck factor. Something like that. And we're going to top it off with somebody to sponsor. Here, a cat to strap. There you go. Like cat. Yeah, buddy. That way. Yo, but you know they're bringing back Fear Factor and they're going to have Johnny Knoxville be the host. Man, I wonder what kind of sick, disgusting shit that they could come up with in 2025 or 2026 to make these people do something for$5 ,000.

45:17Yeah, I don't know. But they're bringing it back, which is cool. I think the world needs that. I mean, picture those clips going viral on Twitter and TikTok. I mean, it's going to get a ton of free promotion, realistically. Okay. So speaking of, look. Sure. so when the like i've been with you for two years adam i'll with you you hear me like i with you when you're not listening yeah well now i got something to say now right fast though go crazy because i was trying to uh tag no jumper today the page yeah and i saw that nobody y 'all don't follow me no more oh really man damn near hurt my feelings now i'm saying what in the fuck going on um the social media team is not the same as like the team of people who are in the office day to day so i can tell them to follow you you better tell them man i'll be telling them up so okay look because technically i'm people are like cat you're the first no gay no jumper host i'm like yeah well so i'm besides that other guy but i'm the i'm the willingly i'm willingly telling you i'm gay i like you know what i'm talking about but that other dude he he not willingly telling you though but i learned i ain't talking about that i ain't talking about you and you still you you so funny talking i'm supposed to go see dejan tomorrow so that joke was kind of unprecedented are you and him of the same homosexual ilk or are you guys kind of like opposite sides what do you mean do i think he ever had some no i don't think i don't think he ever had no if he has so technically he is the gayest and i'm gay so we are yeah we're on the same side i mean i'm just feel like you know the super feminine men and then the super tough gangster women like why would you get along yeah you're both gay but like no but you're total opposite sides and total opposite genders we like to smoke weed we we like to eat good food like why would any normal person get along everything gotta be about just being gay that food they Dajon would be rolling the skimpiest little blunts in here.

47:22You 40 as hell. I'm just saying. You 40 as hell. You from Englewood and you smoking like that? And then with all due respect, it don't look like Dajon was feminine. I seen him fight. That's real. But to be fair. Gangsters niggas ain't through a punch. If I want to see a fight tonight, if I want a guaranteed squabble, I'm going to the gayest area in town. Those m****s get drunk as hell and they want to fight. Yeah, you right now. Well, I don't know. I mean, I've seen a few notable fights. I don't know if they're, like, really consistently fighting, but. Man, you know how it be. I done been in the gay club before, and I seen the security run in and say, somebody tearing up that Benz outside in the alleyway.

48:02Yeah? I said, what in the f***? It was my car. Tearing it up? Yeah. Smashing it? Smashing it? My motherf***ing car. So, it's like women, you know, gay women are pretty violent, but you know. Oh, okay. That's crazy. I know. You ain't never had no b***h act like that about you, Adam? I don't think I ever really had a girl destroy my shit. And nobody ever threatened not to eat or kill themselves. No, no. Bro, I've been riding on the freeway with a bitch and I'm like, fuck this shit, man. Take me to my car. I just want to get up out of here. Bitch, I ain't talking to you no more. The bitch pulled over on the freeway.

48:39Made you get out? Walk home? No, the bitch ran in the middle of the road. Wait, really? Yeah. She was ready to die. Man, I'm talking about yes. That's crazy. I know it. I know it, God damn it. Yeah, I'm sorry. I got to ask this question. As long as we're airing out every last possible question. Have you ever orgasmed from clitoral stimulation? What do you think it is when, if you buy the right, man, I'm not going to answer this.

49:13Fuck out. I just like I figured you know as long as we're sitting here I'm not gonna answer that I'm not gonna let you sexualize me or put me on the phone I'm just like I figure as long as we're in this environment we might as well ask every last question that we have I was like hmm have you right see it's right there but a fair amount of women like non-gay women don't ever do that either I think how did she work I don't know. I just heard I just heard Dirk say he don't jack off. Yeah, I feel like people jack off and like you you'll rape something. You'll take something. Probably like 98 % of men.

49:53You need to nut that bad? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's crazy. You ever had a wet dream? Yeah. Shit sucks. It do. You wake up stuck to the bed and shit. Yeah, I mean I haven't done it since I was like 13 but I had a wet dream in my 20s. When I think about it I was so horny I was like a 13-year-old boy, and I had no idea. I just didn't know. I didn't know. You got to control your mind. Yeah, but I didn't know how to jerk off. I didn't know how to get rid of it. In retrospect, I would have been jerking off twice a day, every day, keep my shit regulated. But I was a child.

50:27I was foolish. It's your mind. I didn't know. You was watching. Now you get paid. I still think about that first night all the time. I be asking niggas. I say, man, how the fuck you around here poke and broke? Bitch, you know you can jack off in a cup and get paid? How much do they pay for that? It's not great. I had a friend back in the day who was a sperm donor. It was pretty weak. Really? Yeah, it's not like you could just beat off all day every day. You got some poor ass niggas around here giving plasma. I mean, it's something. You know what the f*** that part was? Because I thought when I found out that my friend was getting paid to jerk off in a cup, I was like, I want to do it too.

51:01You need a college degree. No bullshit? Yes. You serious? Probably a lot of other people would be doing it if you didn't need a college degree. You know? I mean, shit. I definitely wouldn't know about this. But I'm just saying, like, most guys, besides Dirk, are beaten off. Why not do it in a laboratory in a cup? But, you know. You don't want no dumbass sperm. Yeah, you right. Because, man, you know how much sperm costs? See, remember, I just did IVF with the wife. Sperm costs. That's why I'm asking, like, why is you niggas around here poe? I got to save my sperm. It's going to cost me$600 a year.

51:36You what? Like to cryogenically freeze my sperm? $600 a year. And really, that's not bad. It is. Yeah. That's not bad. How many embryos are they trying to freeze? I don't know. But I know we have nine of her embryos frozen. Okay. Y 'all considering it. That's dope, though. A lot of people make the mistake thinking, oh, IVF is for gays. Yeah. No. But it's not. Everybody doing it now. Yeah, that's right. It's for people who can't conceive. Even just like rich people in general, I won't say who, but I know somebody who told me that they went through the whole selection process where you examine all the embryos and you figure out which one is going to basically like be the tallest, the strongest, the smartest.

52:17You can, I don't know, I guess somehow make general statements about the kid before it even exists. Well, I'm going to show you how weird people are. I mean, think about it. In comparison to that, just nutting in a girl and just whatever happens. That just sounds crazy, right? Like, if I could select, like, yeah, I want an NBA player who's going to become a doctor. Either one of those is fine. Yeah. Or WNBA. Sorry. I was thinking, you know, somebody smart. You know what I'm saying? Because my wife's smart. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, but would you rather your kid be guaranteed, like, top-tier intellectual or guaranteed top-tier physicality?

53:00Intellectual. Could be a quarterback or something. Intellectual. Yeah. Because I happen to know. Because you're one ACL tear away from the physical part not mattering anyway. You want to be smart than anything. You want to be smarter than be tough. You know, some niggas want to be tough. Yeah. You know, the toughest nigga I know ain't bulletproof. You know what I'm saying? But also, even if you have like NFL level genetics, it's very unlikely that you're actually going to make it into the NFL. you're probably just going to be 6 '6 and buff for nothing. What are you just crazy shit? This is a DM from a woman.

53:38I've been following you for years since you had Wix. Aw. Have you and your wife ever thought about getting a surrogate? I had one of my babies myself, and I wouldn't mind caring for you guys. Yes, I'm a stud, and I hope that don't make this message weird, but I love helping people, and I feel that people who want to be parents should have the opportunity to. Right. You see what you just did? Wow. You see what you just did? Yeah. I can. and her default picture on Instagram for sure she is a stud because she look like Orlando Brown. That ain't why motherfuckers are studs. That's crazy though because you want to know.

54:10No, but no, I literally got that. That shit right there, you know, I don't do that stud on stud shit. That shit pisses me off. You know what I'm saying? But she doesn't want to have sex because she just wants to carry the baby. Why would I want my baby mama to be a stud, Adam? She wouldn't actually be her baby mama. She's just going to be the carrier. No, no. I'm just saying like. No. No. No. It is different though. Fuck no. And then it make me mad because you said you've been watching for years. Like, you could have said anything about anything. You talking about that crazy corny ass shit. You're trying to make some money off you.

54:42Poor bitch. Poor bitch. You better go Gilplasma. Let me explain though. If you have your own surrogate, you can save like 30 grand or 40 grand because the agency fee that you pay to the surrogacy agency is quite a bit. Now, to be fair, they do a lot as well in terms of making sure that the person is mentally all there. I honestly feel like having a surrogate that's a random person off Instagram with 900 followers could definitely go bad. Man, she a motherfucker had 13 followers talking about. Hey, man, no, man, no bullshit. It costs, just like anything else you want in the world. But no, my wife wants to experience.

55:26How do you know? of being a mom. Cliff World, who I interviewed the other day, also a red rag wearing Arkansas member. Yeah, red flag. Yeah. Red flag. We don't say rag. We say flag. We cherish it. It's a flag. Got it. How have you guys become cool? He's a different generation than you, I guess. He is. Cliff a nigga from Little Rock. Right. You know what I'm saying? That's my nigga. Shit, I tell him what I think and he tell me what he think and shit. We, goddammit, that's what it is. We partners. I feel like that's why you're doing this interview right now is because you were like, god damn, that ain't right.

56:06No, I actually was. They had to do another Arkansas resident before me. Nope, I'm not mad at that. Nope, I'm not. Because you're my partner, Adam. And then I'll be busy and shit. But, no, I'm going to tell you what I, because I had been hitting Josh. Now, I'm aware Josh is busy and he be having a lot of bullshit going on. But seeing that the motherfuckers had unfollowed me, which I didn't deserve, I put in a lot of work. No Jumper did? Oh, so No Jumper did follow you and then unfollowed you. Yeah, motherfucker. Oh, wow. I would have tagged them this morning. I see I tagged you. People don't usually believe this, but I log into the No Jumper account almost never.

56:44Well, all right then. That's why I tagged you. I guess they do unfollow cleanses from time to time. Well, what I'm saying is I've been trying to hit Josh. He been acting like a poor ass nigga. Really? He hit me back. So he acted like he don't want me to do the news. You know, I like the news. A lot of people be like, oh, Kat, you shouldn't go do the news. I like the news. Yeah? You know what I'm talking about? I don't think there's nothing wrong with liking the news. What's wrong with the news? Nothing. It's just, I was just like, you know, I've sat with Tasha Kay. She just reshared me and she asked me what my number is.

57:21Oh, wow. And Jason Lee reshared me. Shout out Jason Lee. Shout out to Real Life Street Stars. I'm going viral over there. Like, I'm going viral everywhere. Right? But I ain't getting no love from my nojumpa family, Adam. I mean, Josh is kind of stressed out. The whole Israel situation. Oh. What is that? His mind might be in another place. I don't know. I'll talk to him. Thank you. Okay, so when did you decide, you know what, rap ain't it, I'm going to be a personality? shit man i was told i was i always been one i ain't doing shit but talking see two years ago i was here uh on um i was here uh like i said my my my therapist and them thought i was tripping i was like i'm gonna move to california i can afford it i ain't up they thought i was really tripping you know what i'm saying and when they see me online they thought that i was uh i was mannequin.

58:21So they had me on all kind of bipolar medicine and shit. So I was like, calm, cool. I was trying to be cool. But now I don't take this shit no more. You did. And shit, I was like, okay. Cliff was like, Kat, you really the number one star that I know anyway in the world. And he was like, Kat, I don't know nobody like you. So I'm like, okay, alright. Fuck it, I get it. I mean, it's like a new world we live in. Like, rappers do interviews, but now we have the J-Mains, the Crip Max, the 4Xtras. It's a lot of different people who are kind of, you know, the music is sort of an afterthought, and it's more about just keeping it entertaining in interviews and stuff like that.

59:07Obviously, Charleston White probably, like, kind of the go to that. So did you kind of, like, see what some of those people had going on? You were like, you know what? No, to be honest. I could be like that. I've always been me, and I just decided to open my mouth and talk. And then I was just like, it's kind of funny because I remember you asked me one day, you said, Hellcat, what are we going to do with you? And it was kind of funny. I was like, I don't know. But shit, I don't do nothing but open my mouth and talk, man. I don't give a fuck. I mean, it seems like I offend a lot of people who don't, you know, don't know who they are.

59:38Other people, they fuck with me. Right. You know? Definitely. But, look, speaking of that, when do I get the Adam Stimulus pack. What is that? You don't know. I feel like an interview is kind of that. No. No. Okay. Okay, look. Let me tell you. You tell me. That let me know you don't know. You know how when Drake get on an artist shit and they own? Yeah. Like, you don't understand what the I be trying to tell you. Like, I've told you before Adam, I don't think you know how big you are. you know what I'm saying and maybe it's because you're in your own bubble I get it because sometimes I don't be knowing how big I am until we go outside what if I secretly know and I'm just playing humble nah being humble though you think I don't know because sometimes people say oh yeah of course I know but I like to be low key about it but look you gave that poor ass nigga king pill the atom stimulus we tried you gave four extras the atom stimulus you gave Brick Baby to Adam Stimulus.

1:00:49I can really go on. You know what I'm talking about? But I feel like shit. Come on, man. Shit. I've been working my ass off. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, like, the Tuesday show is kind of like, I don't know. I feel like we have a pretty solid crew. We definitely need something more of like a wild card, like, to replace the Unk energy. Like, Unk was good, but he's also a fruitcake, and he's very unreliable. So, I don't know. We're trying to kind of figure out like there's one final piece on that joint. And then like the news. I don't know. I do feel like No Jumper needs like one more like consistent show.

1:01:26Maybe like a nightly type show. But it's just a question of like who exactly we enlist. You be doing them reaction videos. Man, you can get streaming. Solo streaming. Man, if you can get one more with you to do some reaction videos. because I'd be laughing. I get it. I like to laugh. Right. So, you know, but man, that shit is a dope idea and you should do it often. More often. Yeah, well, I'm trying to average 10 hours a week of streaming solo which really is unfortunate because that basically means that I have to do it at night. So I'm going to try to do that more consistently but the interviews is just like, like today, I got three interviews.

1:02:08It's like six hours damn near that I got to be on content. It's a lot. Yeah, it is. But I'm trying to get more consistent with all that stuff um okay so we got to talk about this uh okay we talked about cliff world okay the bo jackman thing we got to talk about it because this was a very very viral arc in the career of hellcat oh man so just for the people who haven't seen it maybe we can include a clip here but we were on the news i wasn't there you were on the news you were with bo jackman one of the many uh people who kind of came into our orbit through that one stream that we did right and so at a certain point Bo Jackman starts to kind of turn up with you on you in the conversation because you said something about what being a biological if you had a child that would be your biological child none of that is the reason why I was just talking it's been a while I forget but then he it felt like he tried to get on you and he didn't care what you were saying he was trying to make a point and go viral and it felt kind of weird to me especially in retrospect just because it felt like oh he's like trying to go viral off her and he don't really care about what she's actually saying he don't care about the nuance he's just trying to go out for a clip right I get it and I saw him do that to little buddy the other day yeah and that and when I saw that I'm like ah okay wait this is a pattern I see I got it and then it kind of it was kind of a when I went on a tour it wasn't even that serious it went on like 18 Mexican podcasts about that moment yeah it's just not that serious But, yeah, dude ended up DMing me.

1:03:47And I was like, man, tell him, yeah, I'll sit with him. He got$15 on it all. Poor ass nil. You were trying to get on his platform? No, man, we could have, hey, I would have streamed with him shitting on the toilet if he paid me. Right. Otherwise, man, I'm not interested in that, man. But I do feel like he was looking for a moment, and he got one. And the crazy part, he didn't do nothing with it. Because he was on some cornball shit with Buddy the other day. I was like, bro, dude, such a cornball. Yeah. It's weird because it felt like everybody used to think that No Jumper was all about these viral moments between the hosts.

1:04:30And now, with more time that's gone by, it feels like a lot of times those moments are just kind of like not worth the squeeze. Even if they go viral, it's only viral within this kind of small universe unless they really go over the top. It just doesn't really, I don't know, it kind of makes us look a little silly at times. Because I know that people might not get it because, like you said, you're working on being a personality. That's exactly what the fuck I'm doing. I'm not trying to be Joe Rogan or Adam or have a billion streams on an interview. you. I'm not trying to be that. Now, if that happens, thank you, God.

1:05:11You know, I know I, I know I like, I like people, so I know I can pod, you know what I'm saying? But I'm just trying to get into what I'm doing, you know? Okay. But so look, looking back on how you reacted in that moment, what do you think of it? Like what, what, what is your thought process on how that went? Well, one I gave him too much of my energy you turned up you started swinging on people no I didn't Adam no I didn't blows were thrown no they wouldn't no they wouldn't I hate that

1:05:56that I couldn't just talk about him without affecting everybody else because I didn't mean to affect everybody else. You know? Now, motherfuckers coming calling me monkey and all kind of shit like that. Like, okay. Y 'all gonna make me goddamn really turn up on you poor ass. You talking about like the comments and stuff? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I learned, as I'm learning more about media, being media trained, everything don't deserve a response. You know? I said what I said. I did what I did. I didn't have to go back and forth with everybody because I didn't want to. But in all fairness, Adam, now that you know that I'm being a, I'm a personality, right?

1:06:39Just like a Charleston White might come in here and cuss everybody out and call everybody crackles. Well, to be fair, he says racist shit all the time and nobody really gives a f***, right? Ain't nobody gives a f***. Yeah. Right? But what I'm saying is everybody in their work atmosphere still deserves to be secure. Yeah. Right? my nigga seeing shit on the camera they like man what the fuck like they pissed off this nigga what you doing? Yeah. You know what I'm talking about? Now I might not be important to some people but others I am. Right. You know? A lot of people didn't appreciate that shit.

1:07:13So I mean you know it's the unfortunate thing about a roast battle that if I you know say I was married to a fat woman. My wife is 400 pounds alternate universe. And then I get in an argument on the podcast and I with some girl who's fat and i start saying oh you fat sweaty large smelling ass bitch you big broke you know whatever big back bitch whatever then logically my wife could be like well you were making fun of her for being fat like what do you think of me it would make sense so i mean in your case you kind of turned up on some mexican stereotypes and that unfortunately made you also the target for various other people who saw it as racist.

1:07:57Let me make this clear. And I'm going to get this clear. Even the people that I see that be working like me and say, oh man, everybody cut yards. I got respect for them people. They wake up every Friday. I pay them out my pocket to do something for me. And in this big ass neighborhood, I know they making$10 ,000 to$20 ,000 a week. To me, that's good. That's great money. Maybe the guy who owns the company, probably not the day laborer. Well, man, they might do own it. However, I'm saying I see them consistently. I know they're great workers. I know they're not finna steal shit. You know what I'm talking about?

1:08:35And down south, we just don't deal with it like the people that with us. We just don't. What do you mean? Like they're not as vocal? Mexicans is niggas. Okay, so you feel like everybody kind of blends together more down there? Yeah, it's not. Now, I know people, individuals, some people are, you know, they racist. It's what people hear, what people grow up around, you know. But no, man, I know that it's just down south, it's like, you my nigga. Like, my mother's Mexican, he my nigga. I'm his nigga, you know what I'm talking about? It's not like it is out here. right because like worldwide or countrywide it's like poc like the term poc person of color is basically like meant to erase any differences between black and brown people who the f*** says that uh woke people white people uh academic type people um and i only say that to say that you know it out here seems kind of foreign because out here mexican people have their own identity and black people have their own identity and they're not even close to the same now they might go through some of the same struggles and everything but it is kind of weird like uh the whole poc thing because it kind of attempts to lump everybody together it's like white people versus everybody else like well we'll take in the native americans and the filipinos we're all people of color and then over there jews irish italian whatever you're white you stay away i don't know about this shit man.

1:10:17I just feel like I feel like I ain't gonna even say what the fuck I wanna say cause I don't want to be like god damn did you hear what that niggas? Air it out. Racist. What could be worse than what you've already said? Yeah man it's just niggas where I'm from. It don't matter if you black I'ma call you a poor ass nigga. You don't get to say what the fuck you wanna say to me nigga. I'm a boss. That's just the way it go. Now It's like, even if I go here and I say, okay, I apologize to the Mexicans. I've got to blame the black people here. Niggas, this your fault, nigga. Because, one, it's not the 90s no more.

1:11:01I don't get what they're talking about. You know, Mexicans run this, and I get overpopulation, and niggas get respect. and but you if you getting seven dollars an hour you can't talk to cat that you held cat any kind of way not down south my nigga's not gonna talk to me any kind of way you get what i'm saying and it's a lot of around here there's just some poor motherfuckers that feel entitled because and feel feel proud of your whoever you are but are you saying that you don't think people are deserving of having an opinion or being able to talk to a rich person if they're broke you talking talking to me about credit depends on what you want to talk about right talking to me about credit and your ass a pole with a 400 credit score no bitch po ass you can't talk to me about credit that's fair i mean somebody who has never done a podcast can't really tell me too much about podcasting exactly but i mean they could in theory be like an expert on maybe they've spent 20 years of their life listening to podcasts and they have something to offer but I'm going to take it with a grain of salt if they've never done one.

1:12:09One thing about a commentator that typically commentates the game they used to play. You get what I'm saying? Quite often, yeah. Like me. Hey, add my YouTube to Hellcat3tees501. A person on YouTube like me, I can't tell Adam how to run your YouTube. Man, shit, I got a poor-ass YouTube right now. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? so how i look like telling you how to run no jumper i can't do that shit you're not gonna listen to what the hell you might can listen to some ideas or things of that nature right man you're not gonna play with me about your money right yeah i mean i i guess i'm used to it because i'm like constantly reading comments from people telling me like what i should be doing with my platform what i should be doing with money what i should be doing my relationship it's just at a certain point it's like okay because but i get it because it's like you know Me and my wife might sit around, oh, did you see what the Kardashians are doing?

1:13:07Can you believe this dumb bitch did this? We talk about people more famous than us. Yeah. I get it. So I get it that people want to talk about us. That's cool. I don't mind. So, okay.

1:13:23Studs in general. Okay. I feel like Drewski kind of like ushered in a new era where it's kind of like, hey, studs are viral. studs are entertaining studs are stars we're gonna do a reality show it's kind of a hilarious concept because like why why would Drewski want to date a stud it doesn't even make any sense right it's almost like we're saying that he's a lesbian woman I don't understand but you do listen I plan on going me my boy Nietzsche shout out Nietzsche shout out to my boy ugly money Nietzsche Nietzsche He goes, he tells me two weeks ago, he calls me, he says, Hey, okay, ain't no way around it.

1:14:03You got to go do the Drewski show. I said, man, what you talking about? He's doing another round. He said, Kat, I'll walk you in there personally. I'll let them know. He got their own, they got their own plugs. I ain't going to have to stand in no line, no shit like that. But I'm going to go pop my shit with Drewski. They said, man, look, you in this world, you ain't even trying to tap into the gay world. Now, I tried to see if I could sit with Ray J, but I didn't get no answer back. Really? Yeah. Hmm. I mean, he did do the trans reality show. Man, I need that gay money. Yeah. Shit, I'm the number one star in the world.

1:14:40Ellen and them can't f*** with me. Come on, Ray J, let's get that gay money. Let's get that gay money, Ray J. But look, because I know whack going through.

1:14:51Whack, that's why he didn't ask. He might didn't get it back or he didn't get back with me. You hit Wack in the ass? Yeah. I asked him, you know, how much would it be to make this happen for me? Ah, okay. You asked Wack about doing? Something with Ray J. Okay. And he didn't get back to you? Uh-uh. Hmm. But I get it. Ray J is all over the place. At one point, he was just streaming like a million hours a day on Twitch. That's dope. And I don't even. You don't f*** on Twitch? I have it to play poker on and that's about it at this time but we might start streaming like we have a new show that I think we're going to do which we're going to stream on Twitch because we want to be able to play music throughout the show and that's a lot easier on Twitch than on YouTube so I think we might premiere it on Twitch every day every time we do it yeah for sure so okay what's Hellcat got coming up what are you working on what can the people pay attention for and wait for Well, I'm going to go do a mic drop.

1:15:55I don't know if you saw me. I did a mic drop at Real Life Street Stars. Nice. And people didn't know I knew how to rap. Like, oh, wow. Okay. So I guess after I do this, I'm going to try to go and get this footage while I'm here. Okay. Do me a no-jumper mic drop. I suppose for 2026, I'm shooting big. Right? I'm going to get that Adam Stimulus back. I'm going to go do Tasha K. I want to sit down with, well, what is it? Don't call me white girl. it hit me the other day too. Shout out Mona. Yeah, she's on Joe Budden's show right now. That's cool. It's cool, I guess, just to have that cool range that people, they see a nigga and want to work with a nigga.

1:16:32Another no jumper L right there. We tried to get her. I shot my shot. Did you? Yeah. Well, she just said, fuck you, you don't make him know, you ain't giving me enough money?

1:16:45She honestly never really even responded. Really? Well, she already had a contract with Breakbeat Media, who she may or may not still have a show with. But now she's also a co-host on the Joe Budden pod. But, I mean, she lives in Philly. She didn't want to move out here either way. So I feel like, you know. But it still weighs around shit like that, though. When it's about work, it's about work. But, yeah, I was supposed to be allegedly sitting down with her. I'm trying to goddamn me. I'm 2026. I'm doing all podcasts. I'm doing goddamn me interviews. And I'm going to pop my shit. But it seemed like I've just been giving my own takes on shit, and they've been going crazy.

1:17:24Yeah, there you go. They've been doing numbers. That's that new ecosystem. If you have a hot take, you can go viral. You can be posted on every page if you say the right thing. Or if I had the Adam Stimulus package. She wants to get stimulated by the 22-ster. Man, come on, man. Anything is possible. Man, you crazy as hell, man. Tell them where to follow you and what you want them to tap in with. YouTube in particular, Hellcat with three Ts? 3Ts501. It's Cat Daddy 501 on YouTube. How do you know about that? It's your username. Yeah. God damn, I guess you're right. I didn't know that. But I just changed it the other day, so it ain't no way you knew about it.

1:18:04Oh, well, if you changed it, why are you telling them about it? Because I'm trying to get them to go to my YouTube page. But you changed it. That's why I gave them the new one. And the page that NoJumper is finna follow, Hellcat3ts501 on Instagram. Right? Right. I'm going to tell them to do it. I'm going to do it right now. Why not? Man, why not, man? Because I'm supposed to, you're supposed to follow me, Adam. No shit. You're right. I agree. But no bullshit. I know that people might not know. Like, even when you sat down with Sean. Yes. I don't know if you remember me telling Sean, I said, Sean, you don't remember?

1:18:42I've been trying to get you to come sit down at No Jumper. and he was like you know what you have i said i've been trying to get you to come and sit down with adam yeah you know what i'm saying so man i put in a lot of work man shit oh yeah you you you how to make that one happen i didn't know that you didn't know that huh i did not know that well god damn well i mean i i kind of arranged it with him i tried to make it happen a year before you did it in dallas i'm not gonna lie to you we have been trying to make that one happen for like five years, probably more. But, you know, every bit helps, so thank you for that.

1:19:17Shit, all right, Hellcat. You got to be careful with that H blank out here. Why do you say that? You go around with the... Don't be tattooing HK on your forehead. I'll just put it that way. Man, look up. Oh, yeah, that's the other guy you said with. Well, that's why we put it on Krip Mac's forehead. Oh. I didn't do it, but there was a picture of Krip Mac, and they photoshopped his forehead to say Hellcat. Oh, Hellcat. Yeah, that's one. I thought that was kind of funny. That is funny. Yeah. That is funny. Free crit, mate. He'll be out any day now. That's pretty dope. Maybe not any. I sure hate that I didn't get a chance to meet four hishers, man.

1:19:51Go pull up on him. Hit him up. He ain't burning out. He don't burn it. You can go down. There's like a 20-minute drive. Definitely not going. But holler at me, burning out. I'm burning out. Nah, no bullshit. I feel my hair. I seen his hand, though. Did you see it? The whole hand? Yeah, you didn't see it? I feel like everybody keeps falling for a fake post. He looked like a Ninja Turtle hand. Yeah, there's a... That motherfucker looked like this, man. But there's a photo or like a little video that I keep seeing it on Instagram. And then people keep saying to me like, yo, did you see his hand? And I'm like, I'm pretty sure they're seeing the same fake video I saw.

1:20:22But no, I don't think he's revealed it yet. That's going to be where the money's at. He got to start an OnlyFans for his nub. OnlyHands? OnlyHands. Hey, that is dope. I mean, if he wants to do the hand reveal, why not make him pay? He tried to make you pay$50 ,000. 200 bucks he shows up at your house and shows you no it takes your stuff after and then i would say do a good uh promo but i'll be seeing his promo and it'd be funny i'd be laughing off the back yeah man off the back off the cat i'm burning off the cat i had to see i'm running out the cat no no i with him i wish i could have because the funniest thing because that interview with him and Orlando Brown and you.

1:21:03Don't play with me no Kiki Palmer. Funniest line in the whole interview. Classic. Yeah. I'm glad we made it out of there alive. All right, yo, Hellcat. Appreciate you. All right. No Jumper. Coolest podcast. Like, comment, and subscribe. And... Ah! What is happening? Y 'all fuck with us? No Jumper. We on this... We dripping. We in the West Coast. Y 'all follow No Jumper. follow the Reddit? Sure. Follow the Reddit, because Adam loves the Reddit. He always talk about the Reddit. And yeah, y 'all follow me. I'm getting that Adam stimulus pack. I'll be in New York soon. Let's go.