Ian Bick on His Time in Prison, Mr Beast Imprisoning Him, Booty Bandit Drama & More

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0:45Come join us. Sam's Club. I think we're entering a new era here in No Jumper. Mm-hmm. You ready? Yeah. all the employees all the hosts they got to be hot yeah so if you're not hot you got to start working on getting hot now hot is in the eye of the beholder but it's kind of like my big idea is like you want to be a part of this you got to be mid-body transformation at all times i heard you're making your employees get bbls that i cannot no i'm encouraging healthy eating and exercise. I can't mandate BBLs. BBLs would be great, especially for the male employees, but I can't tell them, like, you have to get a BBL to work here, but I can hint at it.

1:32Maybe, you know, we're going to downsize. It would be a shame if everybody got their butts done. You know, within reason. Gotta do some cardio tests. Yeah, we've been working on it. No, yeah, definitely. I like that idea. No, like a whole gym. Do you have a gym here? No. but we have discussed it but then realized it would be kind of silly yeah we're putting a gym in our new studio oh yeah yeah we want to have like turf and stuff so you can have other content creators filming it too and this is in vegas no i'm in danbury connecticut oh in connecticut okay yeah and uh oh yeah we can get into all that but yeah we don't have a shower here put in the shower you know i know but dude it's like if we want to put a shower on the other end it's gonna cost like 100 grand really yeah because the bathrooms are right here holy because i've thought about splitting it down the middle and like renting out half of it yeah but we would probably need bathrooms on the other end and so that would be extremely expensive yeah but it's kind of weird to shoot porn in a place that doesn't have a shower do you do plug talk here no on the other side oh cool you know it's a whole thing you own this building or you run yeah we own it for some odd reason um anyway um yeah so 1090 jake's been trying to get me to have you on here for a minute.

2:44I had a few people put in good words. Yeah, he's a good dude. Yeah. Definitely. I saw his episode did real good on your channel as well. No one I know now about him. I'm actually shocked he hopped on a plane with a random stranger to come out there to do my show because he doesn't really do too many people's podcasts that are like low level. So he went from down south. Boston. Boston a couple years ago. Oh, okay. And I met you that day on FaceTime. That was like 2023. Right. So like really my podcast got a following because of you because you guys posted me on no jumper about paying for protection and then world star picked it up and everyone's and that was like right at that that was like four months earlier so it went like dumb viral like 15 20 million views oh right this is one clip that did like so well and that gave me like a really good following and helped jump start it it was you talking about paying for protection while locked up yeah in the feds okay so you had a bodyguard in there kind of like these guys from dc tried to extort me really my paperwork was good like i went to trial everything like that and then they didn't like that i was like a young white kid not running with anyone not having a car because i didn't know how politics work okay so tell me how this extortion works so well they came up to me and then they slapped the glasses off my face and they tried to get me to have my dad send them money so i was already friends with like the new york car are you familiar with like federal prison politics and stuff i mean there's so like the new york so it's not racial where you were at it was more city or not in lows and stuff it's like it's it's runs by your state okay um so i was friends with a couple of the higher up guys there and they didn't really have any money so i said hey what do you need and i just like they didn't make me get them stuff it was like a friendly uh extortion type thing but it was like a mutual understanding i think that's what made the clip do so well because i was trying to say i didn't get physically extorted but like i still paid them to protect me in a way okay it was like an unsaid unspoken agreement um so that was going on and they looked out for me but when And the D.C.

4:37dudes kind of put this pressure on you. Did you have a relationship with them beforehand or was that kind of. No, they had. So that was right when Obama knocked down a lot of people's sentences right before he left. They came from like a penitentiary all the way down to a low. OK. Like overnight. So they were used to a whole entirely different prison politics. OK. So they didn't like that. I had a cell phone. I was running around. I was playing dice, spades, everything, gambling. And they didn't like that. And so they smack you one time. in the bathroom they grabbed me put me in there grabbed me by my throat and then slapped the glass on my face so i said in the clip like people in the comments say my cheeks are still red so people ate that up uh that the glass is broke and then yeah and then what happened was they were causing like too much noise there so the new york car got into a fight with the dc guys over this over this it was a whole big thing and then someone planted a phone in their like boots and got them out of there because they were causing heat to the whole building wait so these dc dudes were so disruptive that someone planted a phone which I hear cost like many many thousands of dollars while you're in there.

5:39Time was two grand yeah. And so they take it they stick it in his shoe and then he gets kicked out even though he actually had nothing to do with this. Yeah it happens all the time at least back then when I was there I was in the feds from 2016 2019 I had a male prison guard try to rape me in the kitchen. Whoa that's what I was gonna say these DC dudes might have had planning because you know about the reputation that they have? The DC yeah they're fucking booty bandits. Wait oh I was about to say it, but I didn't know you were going to say it. I know all about that. Because I've asked D.C. dudes on here.

6:08I'm like, do you agree with the narrative that D.C. prisoners are more likely to be homosexual? And it gets real uncomfortable because it feels like they kind of know that there's this reputation, but they obviously want to shoot it down if they don't partake. From what I hear, they won't ever admit that they're gay, though. They call it like gay for the stay. They're not actually gay. Or is it a power thing? I don't know. they'll fuck a dude and if you call him gay they'll like attack you like you can't call them gay so you hear about that stuff all the time imagine living in a world where someone is banging another man in the ass and you can't even just call him gay you're you're in the wrong that's what it's like being a podcaster for the record everybody else is doing this fucked up shit and you say what it is you just accurately describe it and you are immediately under fire for acknowledging it or they try to cancel you for it damn that's crazy but do you think those dc dudes were zesty or no those ones specifically i don't know i don't think so but there i've heard like the first time i heard about dc guys that's what they'll tell you yeah booty bandits yeah yeah and i've interviewed people that will say that too you know that's great happens all the time like we don't have the right to say it but i guess you were you were in there so you have more of a yeah i'll call him a booty band that's what i heard you know yeah dc guys are vicious and they're also the ones that do like the gun and like they'll jerk off in front of females uh inmates and stuff i did that's called gunning yeah that's what some people call you did six months in solitary for that no not i didn't not for that oh they would yeah i was in solitary they would do that really yeah because they would say female on the tier and all the guys go to the gate and pull down their pants and start whacking off it's good dude it's fucking nuts these guys are gross okay did you you were in there for how long i did three i did 26 months between the low and a camp i always am fascinated by the idea that like straight guys can get locked up for a period of time and then just turn gay like it just doesn't add up to me i've gone through prolonged stretches of not having sex in my life well i guess really like i don't know it's like a month is that like a prolonged stretch i don't know but either way it's like never i mean never have i ever thought like you know what like i haven't got laid in so long that i could almost imagine myself fucking a man yeah that's just i didn't think about that i mean i had a phone i was watching porn and like the bathroom stall in the shower so i guess that's different and when you're at the camp guys would run through the woods to hook up with their wives like we would escape prison i would do it all the time bring back bags i didn't have people out there to go meet but i would bring back we were eating sushi uh chicago deep dish pizza you know portillo's or whatever the famous yeah yeah we're eating those the italian beef sandwich wait a minute so you're in prison where uh i was in a few spots so i started at fort dix these are on the east coast yeah but then i went to wisconsin for the last year at a camp okay because i dated a guard's cousin they sent me uh to the shoe and then they put me uh in solitaire and sent me out wait because you were dating the guard's cousin he reported that it was a conflict of interest that we knew each other he was at yeah for them not for you yeah but they separate you that's what they do so they threw me in the shoe and then put me in con air all the way to wisconsin what the fuck i did a year and so one of these camps was so low security that you were able to just like wander off yeah there's no fence there you know who else was there george papadopoulos remember when he went to prison trump's uh guy he was at the camp uh there's a couple other famous people um oh i was with i only know about papadopoulos because cameron has a lyric about him oh does he really yeah um one of the big mitch guys was at fort dicks low okay um and uh teresa judice's ex-husband i was at the low with him wow because all right my dad went to prison for one year at mckean which is a federal camp style prison i believe it's a camp in uh pennsylvania and this was in like 1995 and like the way he described it because you know i'm a kid thinking my dad's going to prison i'm thinking it's going to be some gnarly shit and the first time that i went and visited it was like you could kind of just walk your ass out of there it wasn't really like fenced in that much my dad's like telling me about what his days are like and it's like he's sort of just like you know there's a track he's walking on the track with like just random black dudes that he's become friends with who are in there and like he's playing pool he's like you know he's got books he's like it's not really like uh you're not like locked into these like cages like the way that i was expecting and that was kind of a shocker to me is like oh so when you we're all used to hearing about these level four yards or whatever and when you actually get down to like the people that when they have no reason to think that you're going to do anything violent they're pretty lax with you at a certain point huh yeah that was the most surprising thing for me because i went from a detention center because my bond got revoked where it's like locked down what you see on like 60 days in to like a fucking college campus it's crazy damn yeah it was cool though no for sure i mean i wouldn't i mean when i think about what my dad's prison was like back then it's like damn i wouldn't really if i had to go do that for a year i mean it would suck to be away from your family and stuff but you wouldn't really be that uncomfortable i guess the food's pretty whack yeah the food actually at the at the camps they were okay decent yeah i mean we'd smuggle stuff but look at it this way so when you're cooking for 2500 people at a low say the food's bland you're cooking in bulk at a camp there's 100 guys right you're able to cook better and then people are smuggling stuff like we had a fresh scratch bakery we're making fresh donuts muffins cookies pizza uh guys would make good commissary dishes which i'm sure you know about like good yeah food but how hard was the smuggling because you're saying you could kind of like run off into the woods and fuck your wife or whatever if you have a wife or so easy guys would keep guard with a phone you only have one uh guard for 100 inmates um and you run off right the track connects to the woods you just run off the track there's no cameras at these places okay yeah maybe like one in the visiting room and stuff and so if you escape it's a big deal but if you get caught off grounds okay you're still on the grounds it's just a technicality okay um but if you actually escape you're getting five years like yeah if they catch you off the grounds so they if they catch you in the part of the woods where you're having sex with your wife no you're actually leaving to go to a hotel oh so you have to be past it okay if they catch you doing that then you're in trouble but if they catch you in the woods it's an out of bounds and that's like a 300 series so there's 100 series is the worst 200 series is medium 300 series is like a simple slap on the wrist like you're losing some phone time maybe a little good time yeah nothing i mean for sex or for like you know uh bringing stuff in like well you have to leave physically the grounds to do that yeah yeah unless someone actually comes on the grounds to put it in the woods well but yeah if your wife comes in there to sleep with you in the woods which the more i say it the more it sounds fucking crazy but i mean you know like based on what you hear i mean these are guys who are willing to have sex with each other out of just sheer desperation so the idea of a woman has got to be pretty intense i mean then you have guards fucking inmates all the time all the time yeah woman guards it doesn't make any sense but yeah they hook up with male inmates all the time there's so many guys in solitary under investigation for that it is so crazy because it's like you know imagine if the roles were reversed and you could just go get a job at a prison and it would be filled with like hot chicks that want to fuck you like because that is kind of i mean not that like every prisoner is hot but like you know realistically a lot of these guys are gang members they got face tattoos they're kind of tough they're savvy they're you know like whatever and it's like if you're a woman who works in that environment i mean it's got to be at least a little bit and one of the big things about women too is they love just attention they love like a guy who's gonna put a lot of effort and time and you know a guy who's locked up what the fuck else are you doing you know you're just gonna be pining over this woman over and over and over yeah it's crazy what do you think about wes watson i've always been curious you ever interview him no so i interviewed him a couple years ago before he sort of entered into this uh you know new era he's in where he's got everybody on the internet making videos calling him a piece of shit whatever i mean i definitely got the idea that like you know maybe some of the stuff was kind of exaggerated or you know he's just like describing a level of wealth that seemed kind of ridiculous or like he was just making so much money off these clients of his and everything and you know just it did strike me i was like this is a little odd but i mean he was nice he was cool i've had people that have paid him 15 grand for the things oh yeah like literally guys that have paid him to do it to do the consulting and what was their experience i had met him just in the beginning of it so they didn't really talk about that but they just said that it's very you're pressured into doing it like you're called like a pussy and a bitch in this if you try to back out because i've seen youtube videos where people sort of go like undercover with them and they like will message him for a sustained period of time and then they start asking him yeah fucked up shit but because that's kind of like what pokes holes in the idea that he's got so much money coming in is that like if you have that much money coming in are you really having these like long drawn out conversations with potential clients so you can make like a thousand bucks off them because i'm going to tell you that like i make a lot less money that he says that he makes and i'm not texting somebody for some long ass period of time to eventually maybe hustle him for a grand i don't know that's just yeah i don't get that how the money adds up but i know he rents a lot of stuff there was like some real estate guy that exposed that everything's rented the cars everything yeah so i mean when you think about it it's like what he's doing is kind of just like downstream of like the dan bilzerian thing where he was like one of the first guys on social media who's like i'm gonna get on steroids i'm gonna have hella girls i'm going to travel i'm going to make my life look really really good and then i'm just going to figure out how to monetize it from there you know wes watson's kind of like the current incarnation of that but i mean he's a lot of stuff like you know he's challenging people that come to his gym to fight him and then he jumps him with like six people yeah well he's got he just got arrested for that or for for that he uh assaulted that mentally handicapped person at the gym so this is the guy who showed up to fight him though i don't know i don't know all the specifics he probably beat up a bunch of people yeah yeah i know i got arrested he's facing criminal charges well there are other little things like he said that he kept his paperwork in his asshole for like years yeah he was one of the first prison youtubers i saw yeah when i first started him i've asked a lot of people about how normal that would be and nobody has said that that would be even remotely normal which is you just figure that you would find a place to keep it after all like considering how weird having a rolled up paper bag full of paper inside your ass probably feels, it's just gotta be like an insane feeling.

16:39Yeah. Yeah. I mean that it is funny to think of like the prison YouTubers and then what has become of them. Cause 10 90 Jake was a prison YouTuber who just managed to expand out of that. Cause so many people from that era just did not turn into anything. They just kind of, cause it's like how many stories you really have about prison. You can't carry it on your own. And that's why I pivoted to the podcast and I started on Tik TOK. I didn't start on YouTube. But if you just tell stories about yourself on prison, there's nothing you could do. Cause even the craziest thing I saw a guy get griped in the ass.

17:14I mean, that is insane in a person's life. That's probably one of the craziest things you're ever going to see. One of those fucked up things. If it traumatizes you fair play, I get it. But you know, we just, we know that that happens. It's not really like that notable. so it's kind of like even even the craziest shit oh i got stabbed i mean getting stabbed is insane but like from a prison standpoint how many views are you really gonna get by saying like i got stabbed and i mean we're just totally numb to it you know yeah yeah people are interested though covid did that they like made this this one that happened before covid there would be no prison youtube yeah yeah no for sure you just have to find a way to burst out of it at a certain point which 1090 did effectively but there's only like so many roles i guess but you okay when you look at yourself pre your criminal life because you know you for the people who don't know just do your fucking homework there's a vice video you got into like party promoting at what age uh i was 15 i started throwing house parties okay parents house it started with house parties and then it goes to like teen parties yeah then i went to i was renting a nightclub in danbury well really went to school dances okay and then i saw that there could be a business generated in that um and then because you charge 20 bucks ahead for three or four hundred people so that's so interesting because like school dances when i was a kid that was like ran by the school yeah so i did the first one that wasn't ran by the school was for charity uh for a homeless shelter and then from there i said that this could be a business and at the time i was building popularity by having house parties like two three four hundred people at my parents house we lived on the lake we'd put like a big tent like a wedding tent my dad's a caterer put a dance floor porta potties dj everything and your parents will let you do this yeah i mean my parents were would rather me be at home than me go somewhere else they didn't know we had like liquor down on the patio and serving underage as a parent yeah the idea of like letting three four hundred people in your house is like oh they're lawsuits fights drug overdoses sex so many bad dangerous things that's the last thing i would ever let my kid do yeah exactly so that started and then they were like all right enough of this and i found a local club called tuxedo junction yes which was a pretty famous rock club back in the day 21 savage i will be at tuxedo junction oh you saw that clip well i just i was watching the vice thing that was the last show i ever did before i went to prison but he did he showed up he showed up i gave him it was like 22 grand plus hotels and flights but the dude only performed for five minutes like we have a contract for 60 minutes came on rappers man dropped the mic i mean i don't know if you know the chief keith story but he totally stood me up oh i paid it didn't even come did not show up at all bro and you gave him how much so the contract was for 25 grand i gave him 15 grand payment which is a little more than half which is a little abnormal for those type of things it's normally half yeah sell out toad's place in new haven which is a pretty big club and we get a call from his manager an hour before saying hey he missed the first flight no problem he'll be on the second one we got a line of people we had to hire all these cops because he had a bad rep at the time with like fights and violence and then i get to the venue i drove like an hour from my home to there we get another call from management saying hey we don't know where he is he's not making the flight we didn't hear from their team again until the next morning where he sent out a tweet saying sorry connecticut um wasn't the promoter's fault catch you next time that was it no no discussion of him giving the money back no nothing i guess he gave one of the co-promoters on the show a free show or something years later but chief keeps one of the reasons why i went to prison because that was money that i invested of investors money that i had like probably 50 grand spent in the show the venue the cops the promotion so besides the 15 you probably spent another 35 about with that and we would have made probably close to 100 it was a sold out show wow you know but what really screwed us was the cops in the venue we still had to pay all that yeah so it's still like five or seven grand for the venue then plus the cops plus the promo plus all the any openers you know things like that we're just done dirty i did a chief keith show in probably 2019 and out here it was a smaller venue i think it was only like 800 people or some shit for the venue he had been playing like a lot you know that's kind of like a weird place to book chief keep in general out here just because he performs quite a lot especially at that time he's performing a lot and it was like as the show goes on and like you know we have the other artists performing the djs are doing their thing and i think maybe we're supposed to be out of the club by 12 and then all of a sudden i'm starting to realize like yo it is 11 30 and he is not here luckily the venue seemed to understand and they fucked with us enough that they didn't want to be hard asses about it and they probably let us go you know a half hour an hour past curfew or whatever so it was cool but if it was like a hard ass venue right then and there would have basically been fucked all the fans would have been right to ask for refunds you know he probably would already got paid or whatever we would have been out to the venue like even that right there that is pretty much why i hate the idea of doing events it just sucks yeah i did a tyga show 100 grand show you know how much i got back on that show how much 17 000 the venue wired me i lost 80 what is that 83 000 in one night in one night wow and what could you get a picture with tyga well it was just not enough people uh bought tickets so remember i'm schmacked no what's the big college concert tour um it was it was huge back in the day when barstool was doing the blackout tour was that they're like edm festival type thing i've heard about that was doing something kind of like that oh okay okay um but they were trouble so like we had booked them at this venue in providence rhode island and the the town shut it down it was like a whole big ordeal so the college dean at uri where we were doing the show said we don't want buses coming from other schools to the venue because they thought it would be rowdy and create problems so we lost half of our ticket sales overnight wow so you needed like i think three thousand in a break even we had i think a thousand show up or whatever we it was tyga and yg right um tyga was kind of a dick like he was not nice at his rider like just from my personal experience you know that is wasn't nice i mean that's a real like window into what rappers are really like is that you could be the guy who's giving them 20 grand and they still like just can't even bring themselves to be nice to you yeah he got 40 grand for that show yeah and what it's just like it doesn't make sense and you do the whole rider thing where they get all these things separating the m &ms the skittles the thousand dollar champagne you know you're bringing them a catered meal and they won't even say hello did tyga have this sort of uh shrimpy little guy with one arm with him i don't remember i know i know i was shocked with how small tyga is really that's all i knew you know and i was like i was a kid i was 18 i was actually i was yeah i was 18 and i just wanted a picture with Tyga.

24:12Nicest guy though, Big Sean. Really? He was so nice. Does yo. I mean that when you see people who have long careers and then they're nice to the promoters, they're nice to the fans, they're nice to everybody that usually kind of adds up because at a certain point in your life you're going to realize like oh I am thankful for this money and I need to be thankful for this money and I'm going to show up and I'm going to shake hands and I'm going to try to have a good time and you know it's like I feel like rappers when you get them in that sort of early egotistical era that's usually you know when you are just dealing with somebody who's just horrendous yeah kid ink was nice and all the edm acts like steve aoki chain smokers those are all extremely nice guys very professional and they don't come with the big posses they come by themselves yeah or maybe a tour manager no yeah all the edm guys i pretty much ever met are pretty pretty nice pretty simple dudes yeah yeah rappers have this whole ego thing and that's what's like though too is that you're like steve aoki and you don't even show up with a security guard you're with like three girls and your your manager and that's it and it's like you're 21 savage and you literally have like a fucking team of guys with guns who have to like watch over you the whole time because you're so controversial just because you're a rapper his team that we put in the hotel um broke into the hotel restaurant not 21 but his team broke in the restaurant and i got banned from that hotel after and how to pay for the damages see that's one thing i was thinking about have you learned the lesson or with with all that shit did you learn the lesson of like you don't book the hotel rooms in your name for the artist you give them money and say here book hotels because then it's their problem i was just telling my my buddy that works with me the other day because there was all these charges for incidentals like water sodas i was like always we'd pay for the room but they have to put their card down for incidentals so it covers that so they don't rack up a whole thing well i'll move on to another topic after this but like one of the number one rapper scams is that like you book them to do a date or whatever to do a performance and then at some point like right before it's about to go down somebody from their entourage or them or whatever kind of just throws it in there like yo we need an extra 5 000 or like look how many tickets you sold we need five thousand dollars more and it's all like basically them taking advantage of the fact that they know that you're going to be completely fucked if they don't come through with what they need to do and so then they like put that on you at the last minute this is like a classic rapper thing they always have a shady homie who basically like will do this for you and you ever have that one it's more just the rider like they want like double or they want the restaurant i've had done ones with the with the dinners where they're like oh we want it here we need this or you know the famous one is inside the dinner we'll take the cash so that and then they change the price so it's like 500 per person or something crazy it always it's never the cost of the show it's and that got me into trouble too shows would always cost like two or three times over budget because of all these pop up things we didn't know what we were doing yeah so you were doing all this and then you you ended up basically having the shit just go kablooey at what age how old are you when it when it kind of all goes to shit so i was doing the club stuff like renting the teen club super successful making like 10 grand a night in the high school doing these teen parties no big djs just random djs and so but the teen parties you're charging 20 bucks that would be say 10 or 15 bucks for an event that would cost five grand at the most to put together between the venue security all of that so you might get so you might have a thousand people show up the most we did was 2 000 people so it's a great profit margin okay the thing i was thinking is like they're not drinking no which It was a huge part of the profit typically in this sort of business, right?

27:55I wasn't the owner at the time. I was just the promoter. So I would rent the venue for like a grand or two. Got it. But then I did that. And then I started borrowing money from friends and family. I started like an investment company to raise money for concerts and like this electronic business we had. Yeah. So I take all this money, raise like 500 grand and put it into concerts. And every single concert failed on epic proportions. like what you heard about chief Keefe and Tyga. And there was a bunch more like that all in the six month span. And what I was doing was I was lying, saying that they made money and telling my friends and family, they're profitable.

28:31Everything's good. You're going to get your money. And I was promising people like a 50 % rate of return. So say you gave me 10 grand, I would say in 30 days, I would give you 15 grand back in order to raise money that I didn't know how I was doing that, you know? And I was thinking that these concerts, like I, whenever I made a budget for a concert, I was saying, okay, if every ticket sells out, it's going to gross this amount. That's what's going on in my mind at the time that, okay, this is what we're going to make. But the concert business doesn't work that way. And you could sustain some stuff going bad, but you can't really deal with it just happening over and over.

29:03So do you feel like you just hit like a string of bad luck and that's what ended you up in prison? And if you hadn't, if you had just had a little bit better luck, then you would have been fine. That's one aspect. but the biggest thing that ended me up in prison was a lying because I could lose money on concerts and that would be illegal. And when you have real investors, you have actual contracts with, I'm assuming that's the problem. Like if you had borrowed 20 grand from your homie, I mean, he's like, he's just unlikely to sue you over it. Right. Yeah. I mean, they were like a one page contract, but the point was like, you're saying the money's going to be for one thing.

29:36It's not for that. And you're breaking contracts and you're lying. Anytime that comes with money and lying, it's never a good recipe. So that happens. They go to the local cops like because keep in mind these are kids for the most part kids my age 18 19 years old so the investors go to the cops investors the kids do because some of them put their own money in like say you're an 18 year old kid that gave me two grand kept rolling your investment over and you think it's 20 grand that's a lot of money at 18 years old so they go to the cops say i'm not paying the cops escalate it i guess the state's u.s attorney didn't want to prosecute somehow some way someone gets it to the feds and that's in 2014 i got indicted in january 2015 on 15 federal accounts by the irs and the fbi and postal inspectors on making a false statement uh wire fraud and money laundering uh so that's how that all happened i met with the fbi in july of 2014 for a reverse proffer where you hear what they have on you rather than a proffer where you're snitching on someone and I took them to trial.

30:39I ended up going to trial. I had a co-defendant that was never charged, a business partner. He turned on me, got a deal in the state for probation and I was convicted on like half the charges. Were you confident that he wasn't going to turn on you prior to the trial? Yeah, we had talked and I said, I'll take all the heat, just don't flip on me. And they only turned him like week one into the trial. So he stayed strong for like almost two years through their investigation. Wow. I wonder what kind of pressure they had to put on him to get them to switch i had heard like something about like that they went after his aunt uncle or paying first college they always do something sneaky there you cannot trust them because as much as you think that you're going to be able to stay solid when you hear about the dude who's like snitching and it's like right after they you know arrested his mom and he realized that the kid is gonna have to you know go live with a adoption family or whatever i mean that then you're like who is gangster enough to let their fucking mom get locked up or their wife or whatever you know i just like i don't know who's got it in them to be like it's one thing to be like listen i'm gonna sit here i'm gonna do 10 years because of this thing that i did but to let your girl even for a couple weeks i mean the fuck most women are not built for this guys do that though that's why so many women are in federal prison yeah that's there they're taking the heat for their man it's not their own thing how many if you look at all the female cases that are in federal prison the female prisoners i wonder how many statistically are tied to a male that they were engaged with and that got them into trouble women don't just think this shit up on their own let's be real and that's what i always say is like 99 of like uh prisoners are male like 99 of murders are committed by males etc and then if you look at the tiny percentage of women who are in federal prison or killed someone or whatever it's like you can usually take a few steps away from it and see how this is basically like a dude firing them up to do this you know it's crazy even like the pimp world we just realized like at a certain point oh there's all these girls making money for themselves oh no all these dudes are inserting themselves into it and either threatening with violence or i mean there's already the threat of violence from the clients and everything like that and it's like you take anything that women have going to make money and you're just going to have legions of dudes trying to figure out how to insert themselves into it.

32:55Yeah, definitely. That's why I'm praying that my daughter becomes a stud.

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33:42I'm going to stop saying that. But, okay, so when you look at your life before all this, do you feel like you saw the criminal ability inside of yourself? Like, was that just kind of always who you were? Because, like, you know, I committed a lot of crimes during my life in terms of credit card fraud and shoplifting and everything like that. And when I look at my life, it's like, oh, I was always on that. You know, I was always trying to steal something. I was always just trying to find a way to get one over on somebody. That's just kind of like built into me is to just try to figure out the easiest path, which is kind of, you know, when you really look at what will get you success in life, it's usually hard work and staying on the hard path.

34:25No, I mean, I don't think I had any criminal intent. I think it fell into that path, but it wasn't intentional. I was always just a hardworking, good kid. I came from a good family. I always worked jobs. I was always just a hustler and always tried to do things on the up and up. I think I just got way in over my head with a lot of money at a very young age. I mean, this happened over the course of five or six months. I was just a young kid with big dreams and a big head and a big ego and got way too cocky. And it just all fell apart. And you were 18? Yeah, I started when I was 17 doing the big concerts.

34:59Right. But all of the stuff I was charged for was when I was 18, like with the big names. It would have been nice if they didn't figure it out. Like, or if they figured it out while you were still 17, right? yeah i mean i i would never have gone to prison but there was stuff when i was 18 signing contracts and yeah so but i mean i just feel like it never really needed to be a fed case the feds i mean it was only the loss was 490 000 um so that seems like a small case for the feds yeah no definitely i wonder how they even got turned on to it because that's like one thing you sort of realize that they go for like attractive targets quite often and like sometimes when i'm interviewing somebody that's basically you know involved in like pimping or some shit and i'm like kind of contemplating what it would be like if i did and then i'm like no you idiot like you're the best target they would love like how viral would it be to get you for something like that like you just like through being high profile it's kind of like removes like every criminal opportunity that you might want to take part in yeah i mean i had a sexy case when you look at i was a young kid at that point when i got charged i actually ended up owning the nightclub that's when i transitioned to more like booking edm and stuff at the club i own the club that i used to promote at and i think it was just good headlines i mean you look at all the articles it's danbury teen nightclub owner yeah it's a sexy headline you know and i think they they leeched onto that i also think that they thought there was more money um than what they found out was at stake and i think they thought it was a way bigger case and i think they also thought i was going to plead guilty i don't know any 18 or 19 year olds that take the feds to trial like that yeah that is kind out of the ordinary how much do you end up spending on lawyers so i paid the retainer of 7 500 bucks to a private attorney and then he said hey you're a kid you don't have any money you have no assets in your name because it doesn't go off the parents or anything and they seized all your money right away right i didn't have any money it was all lost yeah he's like i can apply to the court for this thing called like cja it's like a court appointed thing so the government paid for my private defense attorney oh wow and so okay we talked about the uh the the issue with these zesty dc dudes but was there any other like crazy shit that happened during your time in prison in terms of like shit that really gave you a scare i think so the biggest problem with me in prison was that everyone thought i was a sex offender a chomo a child molester just because like you have like a nerdy white guy and that's just like 99 of the time that's what they are in there for yeah so in the feds there's barely any young white kids there for fraud so when i'm going around saying i'm there for fraud uh they don't believe me they say that's what they all say because the cover story for these older white guys is that they're there for fraud and anyone that's in the feds for actual fraud is not 19 years old right and that's when you whip your paperwork out of your asshole like west and i had no idea about paperwork like i remember the first day i was at the chow hall i literally got booted off the chow hall table and forced to sit with chomos pedophiles because i didn't have paperwork i didn't know what paperwork was um and they said i couldn't sit there what was the vibe like at the pedo table they're all old white creepy guys like i i was in the library one time and i had a chomo an old white like typical you know pedophile passed me a note while i'm sitting there reading and he walks away and he's smiling he's got the glasses that was the other problem i wore these like harry potter like black frame type glasses and the note said what so the note says i'm here for child sex crimes are you here for child sex crimes do you want to hang out that's literally what it said bro i looked at this note i threw it up in the toilet and never went back in the library again but that's everyone always just thought i was that and you have the chomos playing like dungeons and dragons out in the yard and because i was at a low at first um there's all sex offenders it's not like these prison guys that are saying there's no chomos that can walk the yard this and that it's all chomos okay 80 of them are chomos but i wonder like if you're a gang member are you basically just like not allowed to go to that prison because of the fact that in the gang lifestyle you're basically not supposed to associate with these people you're not supposed but if that's the only yard then they're not really giving you a choice they have plenty of gang members there and honestly a lot of these gang guys that do say how hard they are and stuff when they get to a low like you'll see the guys that the mediums are the highs where it is chomos can't walk the yards you have to play those politics when they get to a low they're like oh this place is sweet i go buy a cell phone i do this i do that i'm not going to go try to stab a pedophile get more time and get kicked out of there because the prisons protect the pedophiles right and the chomos in there i mean if you like i would assume in these low security yards they're like stabbing someone would just be so out of the ordinary it would just be the craziest shit ever so that's basically you're kind of taking your your morals and putting them to the side a little bit you're hanging out with some weird people but as a result you get the super low security version i mean people just abuse them like verbally or like if you have a chomo in your room they'll make you mop the floor you can't stay in there during the day you have to go sit at certain tables like things like that you don't can't you don't get a spot in the tv room right you have to sit in the back of the tv room or stand up so things like that you're abused but at a certain point you are able to beat this rap and you're able to convince them you're actually there for fraud eventually i got my paperwork i understood how that all worked and they also all have phones like they could have just looked up my case yeah or looked up my pacer account and to say i went to trial and everything but so it's easy to have a phone in there are they like sweeping the the rooms quite frequently or where are you hiding it they do do raids but phones are popular at the time you could get a phone i bought a phone at the low for 1500 bucks they're not iphones because they need to be able to take the battery out to charge them they'll charge them in like the fluorescent lights they'll convert the mp3 players into chargers to plug in the computer they always keep the battery separate from the phone they're hiding them they have magnets they're hiding them under the washing machines or we had a guy at the camp when the guys that were on the construction teams because it's all inmates that run the yards and everything drill a cinder block hole under our bed and make a little trap door to where we hit our phones genius so things like that and this is all stuff that like the prison knows about and everything but they'll come in they raid the rooms that we had one cut out that got hit behind our door there was a mirror on every door we took the mirror off had a cut out stacked with phones so these guys will raid the buildings and they'll be like they'll walk out with bricks of phones it's crazy so but you're saying that they know what's going on i was thinking now when you were talking about people you know having sex in the woods and everything like that too is that it's like if you're a correctional officer where's the w in you basically making it so that nobody's able to go sneak off and fuck their wife in the woods or have a phone if it's like very very well hidden and everything it's kind of like at a certain point especially on the low security yards somebody like you they're kind of looking at you as like they're equal even though technically he's the guard and you're the prisoner do they just let a lot of shit go because they just don't really have an incentive to stop it it's not like you bust somebody's cell phone racket and you get a bonus actually i heard that's a thing oh then all of a sudden i could see it being like extremely efficient and like nobody has a phone if there was like a bonus for every phone you found at the low we heard that was an actual thing that they there was an incentive for per phone like 50 or 100 bucks and there would be super cops that were just on top of that but at the camp the guards don't care it's one guy was during at the camp it was during the government shutdown he wasn't even get his paycheck at the time so he didn't care he was just chilling and you'd do whatever it's very it was in the middle of wisconsin yeah it was very out in the country but most of these guards are laid back you got to realize there's 400 inmates to one guard at a low you're in a building it was old army barracks at fort dicks so it's it's it's very chill for the most part and you never saw any fights or anything like real extreme happen in that environment i saw a couple fights the first if i ever saw a guy cut um another guy in line at the when we were waiting for food in the detention center and they start going at it and then all of a sudden you hear like this shrieking scream and you look on the floor there's blood and the guy's piece of his finger is on the ground the guy bit his finger off so the guy that got cut in line um bit the other guy that did the cutting his finger right off holy shit yeah so you'd see things like that you would hear stories about like guys getting like our rod shoved up their ass if they were like a pedophile um like with a broom stick in the hallway you would hear things like that what about a carrot no i didn't hear anything about a carrot oh a pickle no no we did have pickles though like the pickle pouches we didn't have carrots no because allegedly in la county you might get knocked out and have a carrot shoved up your ass really yeah my bunkmate would always hit the bottom of my bed when i was sleeping on my stomach he was like you can't sleep on your stomach bunky just because it your ass is out You just can't have it exposed like that.

43:47But you didn't hear about any rapes taking place in this low security prison? No, you just hear like your typical stories, like don't drop the soap. If someone leaves like candy on your bed or commissary, don't take it. Things like that you would hear. But I didn't physically see a rape or anything. But then you have plenty of guys that were like we were talking about earlier, literally just like they're getting dick. Like they're hooking up with other men, like a big shot callers that the heads of the cars, they're getting their dick sucked or they're fucking someone. right consensually yeah consensually and the crazy thing is if you call them out on it you're gonna get stabbed by them like we're talking big guys like i'd say a diesel shot caller from the new york car is hooking up with another guy yeah and you say hey oh that's gay or you're a homophobe or whatever you're on top of that you're you're upset about it you'll get stabbed by that guy that's great and he'll say he's not gay or anything jesus i mean yeah it's It's out of control.

44:40But, I mean, I've heard, like, the absolute craziest shit. There was a Vlad interview that he did with Gangster Williams, who's Birdman from Cash Money's brother, and he was locked up for a long period of time. And he said, oh, actually, it was this other guy that he was with, Lil Diesel, but he said that he had seen a guy who was locked up doing life. At some point, his son gets locked up, and his son becomes his punk. That's crazy. i mean yeah i want once you hear and process that it's kind of like okay i don't think i'm gonna hear anything crazier than that do you believe it i guess because it's it's like and and i can actually understand it from their perspective a little bit because i guess like they didn't know each other like he didn't have anything to do with the guy's life the whole time and then their logic is like well i feel like i could trust you i mean you ever sit and hear some of these stories and you're just like there's no way this is not true or this is true oh i mean that's just like not that hard like i've already accepted that these dudes are gay and are fucking dudes and then like sure he's fucking his son okay i mean it was very shocking to me when i first heard it but as time goes by i guess i'm just like okay like they're already just doing so much fucked up shit in there that i guess i can't be surprised by incense incest being like one line that they also are okay with crossing yeah yeah good for them i don't know it's crazy yeah whatever you gotta do to make it through your your stay um but okay so you do that time and then you get out what are you thinking the whole time are you like i'm gonna make something good out of this or are you thinking like my life is over and i'll be lucky to even be able to survive after this i wanted to be like the next wolf of wall street get like the book deal the movie deal i was actually querying book agents from prison on a on a cell phone on a contraband cell phone saying hey i wrote a book and this and that when i got out none of that happened and I ended up getting a job at Whole Foods.

46:33You wrote the book while you were in there? We're like three chapters. That's all you need to get like a book deal. Yeah. And nobody was interested. No, I sent it to like 200 agents. Wow. And then I re-sentenced to them when I got out, had like three bites. And then they, once they read like the first few chapters, they're like, no. And a lot of them said I didn't have any current press because the articles are all old. Like my most recent article was like a Vice article from 2015. Wow. All that happened and they weren't interested. uh then hbo comes along and does a documentary on me called generation hustle i was part of a series it's on hbo anymore when they merged with discovery channel they took a bunch of stuff off and then vice did something that year too this is like two years after i got out of prison now in like 2020 i bet if you uploaded the one that hbo did that nothing would happen like if you put it on youtube oh i tried you did and it came up as copyright right away dude immediately it doesn't even load 100 that shit's gone because it's got the watermark but i do have the link to it and i I send it to everyone that, you know, that, that, that asked for and stuff, but it actually benefits me that it's not up there anymore because it stops at me getting out of prison and working at Whole Foods.

47:36It doesn't talk about this whole act too that I'm in. So I worked at Whole Foods, had those things, thought they were going to like blow me up like to the next thing. And Whole Foods, you tell them, Hey, I just did a couple of years in prison. Yeah. So I had actually went before my bond got revoked while I was on trial or after conviction, I wanted to look good to the court and pay like restitution, got a normal job. Cause I wasn't making any money at the club I owned, but how much did you owe? Um, 490 something thousand. Right. So I got a job at whole foods. I applied to a hundred places right before I went to prison.

48:07Not a single one, not even red lobster would hire me as a dishwasher for nine bucks an hour would take me. They were like, reach back out after you figure out your stuff, but whole foods did. So I was working there and then I one day didn't show up because my bond got revoked and I left in good standing. tactically my parents called and said what happened so when i got out of prison i applied there and i got a job and i worked my way up from a 15 an hour hot bar cook to making 33 bucks an hour as the team leader um just crushing with overtime rebuilt my life got an apartment a car a dog all of those things credit for the first time and i did that up until 2022 so how many years was that they were on the whole foods grind 2019 to 2022 and would you say you were happy was life good, you know, cause you're kind of, you're falling into the way of life that you probably had been hoping to escape by doing the party promoting and everything like that.

48:57But once you've done a couple of years in prison, it's like, shit, I got a job and I'm able to live a comfortable life. I mean, this is the good life in some ways, right? I would say for up until the end, I was so happy because that was the first time I had real money, money in my bank account, credit, um, an apartment, a car, like I owned a nightclub. Yeah. But I was still living in my parents' house and they were supporting me and I had no money. I was doing something with my life. And I was moving up very quickly in the company because COVID eliminated a lot of jobs and a lot of people quit.

49:24And it just opened up the door for me to grow with them and rise up. But then there gets to a point when you're an entrepreneur at heart, you're like, I don't want to be working for the man. I don't want to do this, you know, and also in corporate and the restaurants or in food service, it's so hard. It's a never ending revolving door. You're putting out a fire every single day. People calling out all of this. I didn't want to do it anymore. So one of my videographers that used to do all the video for the club said you got to start sharing your story on tiktok and i go on tiktok and i see this whole thing about prison tiktok and then i get into the whole realm of prison youtube just watching all of these creators get huge followings telling prison stories so i started my first week in 2022 in like july talking about nightclub stories didn't really kick off or whatever kind of a thousand two thousand views my first story that went viral was talking about solitary how i did six months in solitary i had covid that day i was stuffy room was dark but i made the video and it got like two million views overnight and ever since that day i've never missed a post wow so your schedule is you upload how many how often so i do at that time i was doing like three or four shorts a day just about my story in the car um just sitting in the car and making clips um but when i started the podcast i'd do one episode a week this was in january 2023 did one episode a week then i moved to two then i moved to three now i do five full-length episodes a week and i do all my own editing my clipping everything like that the interviews and i and i put them out there so five a week is that mostly interviews or it's all interviews i only do interviews we do like some skits like i built a prison cell um up in our studio that will do like skits and stuff but my main focus is interviews but it's got to be tough to have five relevant guests per week that you could actually interview right i actually have too many guests i mean we have a wait list of like probably a thousand people right now but who like what's your standard you know like who are you actually interviewing so i'm looking for people that went to prison we do a lot of law enforcement we were doing a lot of addiction only stories but they're kind of all over the place so really my main focus now is a prison type of crime story and we're doing a lot of law enforcement stories like we just did a great one with the dea guy um we did the guy that brought down like pablo escobar we're doing like a lot of law enforcement we have corrupt law enforcement we have good law enforcement then so many prison stores i mean millions of people alone have been the prison system right now that like the mr beast thing happened i'm starting to get like some bigger names um into the realm of people that went to prison the hard part is getting like a celebrity to open up about their prison experience um to bring it kind of to the next level what's the most famous person you've had i have talking about prison i've i had about well i had chevy chase on but he didn't talk about prison he talked about addiction um prison i don't know about really famous i guess to 1090 but yeah but we have bobby schmurda this week which will be good oh nice let's yeah we got him so that'll be exciting so someone like bobby schmurda are you offering to pay them or you're just hoping that people will bite on it just wanting to be part of something cool i have for bobby schmurda that's a little bit different because like the he wants an appearance fee for that but for the average person that comes on the show you're not giving them an appearance fee you're you're just they're coming on a lot of these individuals have something that they want to promote yeah like a book or um a website or their own podcast and they travel from all over the country i mean you know the podcasting game how many people do you actually fly out yourself it's probably not that many it's probably most people that want to come because they want the opportunity for the exposure of it It's got to be mutually beneficial.

53:00It's weird because there's so many people in the podcast world now who just want exposure and would be happy to spend their own money to come out and everything. But then you also have other people who, as soon as someone's in demand, as soon as it's like, or even as soon as somebody gets paid a thousand bucks one time for an interview, they just in their head forever and ever are just like, oh, I have to get paid every time I do this. And it actually kind of fucks up some good opportunities too. because it's like you know i i emailed the a rapper from up north who has like an interesting story the other day and he just shut it down he's like how much you're trying to pay and i'm gonna be i was like i'm gonna be real like we just can't really pay it's just not really like like it's a dope story it's cool but realistically like you know i'm thinking in my head like he probably wants at least two grand yeah it's just not gonna make sense and it kind of fucks it up with everybody else too because it's like if one rapper from an area gets paid two grand good luck getting anybody else and not giving them two grand well i mean that that's a you don't know how many famous people that i've gotten the rappers where they're like well vlad gave me five grand you know that's what i get all the time and it's like i i'm not i'm not vlad i can't afford that you know yeah i'll break if i pay someone three grand i'll break even between like tiktok and youtube and stuff like that but that's what's unfortunately happening you know they're getting paid this and they're comparing it to like a club appearance where it's not a club appearance you know The margin's a lot smaller.

54:20But I know someone like Bobby, what I look for too is, are they going on 9 million podcasts telling their story? Bobby, in the last two or three years, has only done you, Vlad, maybe a couple other people. So something like that will help move the needle for me, especially being interviewed by someone that went to prison. So from your perspective, because when I interview Bobby Shmurda, I'm probably mostly, you know, somebody like Vlad is doing more of their life story. but with us and actually I haven't, I haven't interviewed, I did the vlog with him, but I haven't actually like interviewed him in a little while, but like, you know, we want to talk about a lot of rap stuff.

54:56We want to talk about the details of his interactions with this guy and this guy, like from your perspective, what's your like interviewing style in terms of what you want to do differently than somebody like me or Vlad. So my format is life story. But it's more organic where I'm not really pressing them of the information that, you know, that I want to hear. It's more what they share. And I think that the cool synergy is I was in prison, you're in prison. So you kind of get that, you know, you're hearing stories from their prison experience and you're just giving them like that spot to, to, to talk about it.

55:28And that's where like my, most of my podcast is not me talking. It's all guests. And that makes it very clippable and easy. That's how I've grown up following on Tik TOK. All of my Tik TOKs for the most part now are just all my guests. I've had to put like an intro on with me, like introducing it because Tik TOK demonetizes me for unoriginal content. Really? Yeah, for just clips because they're cracking down on clips. And I have no contact at TikTok. Wait, really? Just like podcast clips in general? Yeah, get demonetized. Really? For unoriginal because they're cracking down on all the clippers.

55:57Wow, that's so interesting, even though it's your content. Yeah, I peel it and I lose it every time. Cracking down on the clippers. And they have no good reach out to it. They're not like Facebook or Instagram or YouTube. There's no support. I have a million something followers on there and I got nothing. Like no feedback. No, yeah. TikTok is fucking insane. but youtube's great facebook's awesome they have a great new monetization program oh yeah um things like that we've been on facebook forever but you feel like it's getting better on there dude there's some months we can make 10 grand a month on facebook yeah there's some great opportunities on if you have a good plan and you're doing it right because so many people are intimidated by facebook look at all the major podcasts i bet you if you added up how many are actually on facebook it's very very small yeah so and if you once you're in like you're in but your stuff is more like viral mainstream, like you're, you know, you're, you're everywhere.

56:45And you, but you do the news aspect of it too. And I was telling you how that that's how my podcast blew up because you posted my clip talk about paying for protection. Wait, you're saying that that one clip caused your podcast to blow up two episodes a week, barely getting a thousand downloads. And that happened. So I started the podcast January, 2023, April, you guys post me at 2023. All of a sudden I'm getting like 10 ,000 downloads per episode overnight. And that just put my face everywhere that's so sick because i i've like had no jumper content clipped gone viral a million times and if anything i find it kind of depressing because it's like oh no matter how well this content travels all over the internet it doesn't necessarily feel like there's like a real connection to our content getting way more views now if it's a if it's an interview you know then maybe like the full interview that specific interview goes up but like you know we had a clip of um one of our hosts almighty suspect beating the shit out of someone on the podcast and went outrageously viral you know it was everywhere and it's but is it like really like impacting people to be like oh i'm gonna actually see what this podcast has going on like and part of the problem with that is that we just are big enough and well known enough that people are like already exposed to it so it's like you still have that new factor where somebody might see a clip of yours and be like oh i want to check this out with us it's so much of like oh no jumper doing something crazy again here we go yeah but what i found is the person has to relate to you in order to gain that follower yeah um and they stick to that person's specific podcast like i could do say 20 million views with you and they're not going to follow me if they only like adam from no jumper and not Ian from locked in.

58:31I mean, look at great example. I just did Mr. Beast. That video has over a hundred million followers. You interviewed him. No, I was on, I did that. I did that. And I, what I gained like 12 ,000 Instagram followers and my podcast numbers are up 20%. I did like 15 ,000 YouTube subscribers in a week, but a hundred million people. And you look at those numbers, it's very, very, very small. And that's us working the comments, hitting the comments every time like one of those no jumper style like news articles like world star or whatever posted like cop and a criminal in prison i would be like that top comment right away like as soon as they posted it really that's so interesting so from your perspective if a if a big page posts your stuff you're not getting the full value if you just let that post go you're getting in there and responding to as many comments as possible you have to because they don't tag you i mean you guys are good about tagging like when i do when that went viral for me that was a big thing like that is something i feel very strongly about for the record is that it's like if i'm gonna post a clip from somebody else's podcast the least i can do is tag them no one because i hate when they do it to us and it's like on one hand that's why we have the jumper logos everywhere to try to make it obvious for people but yeah it's like you gotta tag dude i messaged you guys and i got a response right back right away first and only person ever and I got tagged and that helped me too.

59:53Yeah. I always tell everybody on the team. And even I saw a young thug interview clip earlier that was not tagged. And I'm kind of like, everybody knows who did this interview because it's such a big deal in hip hop right now. But also like, I know the pain of doing an interview, having a clip go crazy and just wishing like, could you have just tagged me? Could I have just got like a thousand extra followers from this? That would have been so nice to have like, I'm getting the attention, but it would be nice to at least get a little bit of a, a boost. And from the jump though, don't add the tag on like days later, you know, cause then it's over with.

1:00:28So I saw YouTube rolling out like that collaborator thing though, which is pretty cool. Well, I haven't talked to anybody about that on the podcast yet, but that seems huge to me because there's a few different dynamics. Number one, like people, that guy I was talking about in Northern California, I hit him up to do interview. He wants money. I say, no, doesn't happen. what if i was able to say to him like okay how about this we do it as a collab post i get 60 of the revenue and you get 40 you know i gotta tax a little bit because it's like we have the overhead and everything but it's like if you think you're worth two grand let's just divvy it up and that way the interview will be shown on your page which is cool for us like maybe some of his fans don't know about us and then also it's on ours and then we can kind of split the money and that way it's like if you only make 600 bucks well this summer say i do i am marrying a stranger like never before am i crazy it's a whole new married at first sight on peacock with new experts my name is dr lisa my name is paul brunson more couples this could be the start of a very successful marriage and lord surprises or maybe not everything is just not enough you're a little bit crazy i don't know what's gonna happen i want my fairytale ending married at First Sight, now streaming.

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1:02:35Maybe we even take a percentage of it in exchange for that or something. And that helps your individual channel grow. So, you know, part of the problem with like, you know, something like Worldstar, Lyrical Lemonade or whatever, like they want to do music videos for artists. But the artists a lot of times want it on their channel. Well, if you could have it on Lyrical Lemonade and your channel and you split the revenue or whatever, that just fixes a huge fucking problem. So I could see so many interesting things. Right, splits are the way to go. Remember that viral Rikers Island prison guard that did the butt ass thing?

1:03:09Sounds vaguely familiar. You know that smell? it was butt ass okay it did like so many views so he did like it was like 22 million views on that tiktok and he was on my show he wanted to come back a second time and keep doing more episodes and i said i'm not going to pay you but i'll do a rev split and what you see is that they're not actually worth the money that you would pay that two grand or three grand to because that was already like their one hit interview that's why you always got to look like has this person done 20 other interviews if they have i'm not going to pay them it doesn't make sense yeah because like i'm objectively pretty famous but like my thing when people ask me to go on their podcast is like i just feel like i'm over interviewed i do so much content on my channel i've been on tons of other channels i just feel like unless i have something really big and interesting to talk about i just don't feel like burning myself out by doing more and more interviews but then on the other hand like when something's going crazy when there's like a big thing in the news or whatever then maybe it makes sense for me to hit up somebody that i know who's like a bigger platform to go on their shit but even then it's like you know when my most viral moments it's always kind of stood out to me it's like oh i should probably like make this content myself about this topic and then if people want me to go on their podcast sure but like it makes more sense for me to make content about this for my own channel rather than to just go give it out to somebody else that's that's why like all right 1090 jake like he waited years to do his first interview and he did it with us i think it got six million views that's great on the main interview and then there was like multiple clips that had over a million views and i know that like now he does interviews as part of his revenue that he makes every month is he might go do vlad or he might like i see him going to another city and he's like hey anybody want to do interviews so that's just like a regular part of how he's able to monetize now and i know that there's part of him in his head that's like why did i go and do an interview where i flew to la and gave adam that interview for free because now he realizes oh my first interview was worth so much more than every interview that comes after it and that's i'm sure he does great numbers on vlad he did 700k or whatever with you so it's not like his superpower is just completely diminished but your first one where you really tell your story it's like a rapper like you know it's tough to be kendrick when you tell your whole life story on your first album it's like it's tough to get people to listen to album two unless you do something really interesting yeah and he's one of those people where you put the clip of up of him years later and it still is a banger with jake yeah with jake he just has that feature to him where it does well every time yeah it's like a weird thing about jake too where like he does the news basically like you know hip-hop news and stuff on his channel And I noticed that like, even if he puts out a video kind of late and even if the story is like clearly done and if anybody else posted about it, I think that they like, it wouldn't get views.

1:06:01But like, he has enough hold on his audience that they'll watch him talk about some shit, even if it's some old shit that realistically they're not going to watch anybody else talk about. Yeah. How many interviews do you do a week? Don't you get burnt out? it's all over the place because sometimes it'll be like 10 in a week sometimes it'll be one in a week two in a week you know it's just kind of all over the place and then it's like you know it's like i could be packing the schedule we're doing tons of interviews but it's like at a certain point certain interviews don't necessarily seem like they're that valuable it's it's it's we're kind of all over the place in terms of like what makes the most time sense for us to put our time into too you know like even when you're talking about the clippers earlier It's like, you know, I seen the clip of neon on Vlad talking about how he spent 200 K in a month paying his clippers.