JReal Da Realest on Coming Up Hoover, Trell Banning Him from Back On Figg & More

26:08Then we got like the Humming Gumby, you know what I'm saying, for example, who's doing it all the way on that, on the tier, level four type of. But we go from just like we run from the 50s to the 100s, we run from chalk to charcoal. Our intellects also run in that way too. And I'm like in the middle. Don't get it wrong. I'm articulate. I know how to speak. I'm trying to do the right thing. But I'll beat your ass. I will. phase is what I do. I take phase. You know what I'm saying? Like I said, we're going to talk about that a little bit later too. But I'm not looking to take nobody's life. I'm not looking to start continuous beef with somebody.

26:46I'm not looking to, oh, there you go. Let me go get the little. Nah, you have an issue with me as a man. We confront that issue. If we got to go to Golden Blows, I'll whip your ass and go home. You know what I'm saying? When we ain't got to go, X, Y, and Z. So, okay, you're talking about doing music with people at school, but Q and shit like that. When did you start making music? And, you know, at what point were you taking it serious enough that all these people wanted to collaborate with you and whatnot? My first show was in 1999. I started writing poetry and shit in them foster homes and group homes.

27:19I didn't really have nothing else to really do like that. Foster my, yeah, I didn't have no other outlets. I hadn't been a part of the neighborhood yet. I hadn't went out in the street streets yet. So I was very close then. Little chubby little kid motherfuckers used to talk about me. I used to fight all the time in school. And the false homes and group homes. Like whoever says something slick, I would just let my anger come out. But then I would write a lot. I would read a lot, read these books. I felt like if I can learn these big-ass words and learn how to manipulate them in rhyme and poetry form, that people will respect my intellect.

27:56And people will stop talking about me and making fun of me. and people would see me in a different light because I felt like what I am physically and what I have is not working. So I got to step my little shit up. So anyway, around 1999, I started going down to Leimert Park. The homie, shout out to homie Marcus, Big Blue Rag 1. He stayed over there. And if you know like the Crenshaw District in that area, like from where the Barwins Hills Mall is all the way down to Leimert Park, that's really commerce area. all hoods being there. You know what I'm saying? You niggas selling T-shirts, they selling trees, they got airbrush pants.

28:35It was a hub of business, of South Central's economics. So it really, hood shit happened, but that was a place where you could go and have a 6-0 and a 40 and a Lover and they from the jungles and all that in that little circle right there because they trying to, one got one the DVD man, one's the weed man, all this shit, right? So the homie Romeo Holloway, shout out 9 ,000 A Block, which is the zip code over there. I was homeless at the time. I was sleeping next to that zebra in Leimert Park on the bus stop. So every morning I would go over there to their barbershop. They had a barbershop there.

29:11I think it was Player Taste, Tattoo Shop, Daddy Dave's Burger Joint, the barbershop, liquor bank, all that, the car wash across the street. It was a major activity. So I used to go over there and try and bum weed. I ain't going to lie. I used to go over there. It's just one of the places you showed up every day until you became a part of the fiction. Then they show up every day. A year later, we don't know how he got here, but that's the homie life. And now we're passing on the blunt. Now we're passing on the blunt. You know what I'm saying? So that's how I used to have to do. Because I didn't know nobody.

29:37Wasn't nobody bringing me nowhere, taking me nowhere and all that. And then from where I was from, I had associations and affiliations with the homies. But I'm not going to lie to you, brother. That first two or three years of banging Hoover, a lot of the homies used to be like, bro, what is you doing? What is you doing with your life? You walk around the hood getting shot. Like, you crash test dummy. you following other homies? Because, you know, motherfuckers from the hood click up. They got their little clicks and shit. They're like, bro, you following? A lot of the homies used to be on my head about doing the right thing and getting back and going back to the group homes.

30:08I had a couple of homies drop me back off at the Boston. Like, bro, get your ass. But I started wanting to get money. And I started to see how other things was getting money. And that environment I was in is very, a hood's environment economically is very, it's like levels to it. You can't just sell everything to everybody anywhere when you're from a hood. You got to get permission here. You got to do this here. You got to know this there. You got to watch yourself because your own homies, you know, do you. So I'm like, well, let me go over here. And then Rag lived over there. I met Romeo Holloway.

30:43He had a 9008 block group. And so I would show up every morning when he opened the barbershop, and I would ask to hit his weed. He would make me do shit like sweep out in front of the barbershop or clean up. you know what I'm saying, clean up messes and shit like that since I was going to be around. Buy me a little t-shirt. He always told me no matter how much money you got in your pocket, you always going to get you a fresh white. Because if they see you, they shouldn't know that you broke. Shouldn't smell that you ain't took a shot. Like, you should go steal some deodorant or something. Like, always focus on making yourself be who you need to be until you get there.

31:17That's what he taught me. So he was also working with, like, Bobby Valentino at that time. Romeo Holloway is also he was on the West Side Connections he was featured on the West Side Connections album I'm not sure that that one where it was all black yeah it was the the I think one of them had the red red one had a blue red and the black red he was on that project so he had some some moves in the music that he was doing I had always wanted to rap I did my first show at a Carlisle opening in Harton in 99, and I just started to progress from there. You know what I'm saying? I moved out to Dino with my sister.

31:57I started working with individuals there. A lot of early, that's cocaine, phone cave, that old roofless type of environment. You know what I'm saying? All the OGs that came from that era, I was kind of like the little dude around them when I was coming up. You know what I'm saying? So I'm going to tell you one thing, though, about the music in me is that all the music I've done is been offered a fact of respect. It's not like, oh, this is the hardest on the planet. Oh, he he got on the bread. He paying for the features. My shit was always like the situation where I got a song with Mitchie Slick.

32:34Right. I got a song with Mitchie Slick. I got that song from Mitchie Slick, that feature from Mitchie Slick through the word of cocaine. Cocaine. They had a song together called Times Don't Change. It was one of my favorite songs at the time. I got it, Uncle Coke. I said, hey, man. Introducing Taco Bell's new jalapeno citrus salsa with bright citrus, real red jalapenos, guajillo chiles. Usually, you add sauce to the food, but when the sauce is this good, the food is just there to get the sauce to your mouth. That rolled quesadilla, not a rolled quesadilla anymore. Now it's a sauce shovel. Taco Bell's jalapeno citrus salsa.

33:10Get it with any item on the Cantina Chicken Menu while it's here. The participating U.S. Taco Bell locations for a limited time only. While supplies last, contact store for availability. Get it, Mitchie, man. See how much it's going. See what we can do, man, and all that. I was talking about us three being on the track and me possibly being able to get on because they doing something. He happened to be in the studio with Mitchie. He passed the phone to Mitchie, huh? You know what I'm saying? And so he like, bro, you ain't got to go through Coca, Uncle Coca, none of that. You just, you know what I'm saying, come at me.

33:41I sent him the track. He did it for free. sent it back. And that's how a lot of the work that I've done is. You know what I'm saying? It's always been off of the strength of respect, being out, being, knowing motherfuckers. That's why I sound the most unknown, known artist. Because when you say J.R. on the real issue, like, oh damn, the singer, or the whoop-de-whoop and that. But if you go behind the scenes, man, I'm going to tell you, I'm in the background of everything. I mean, the seven and sevens, when Nipsey used to be at the seven and sevens, when we used to be at the World on Wheel, at the Rolling Winks, Rolling Rinks.

34:12I'm talking about back in the day, a Leimert Park project blow. I used to rap. Like, I've always been in the background. You know what I'm saying? But. So, okay, from your perspective, what's the problem with the music scene in L.A. in terms of, like, people promoting each other? You hear this conversation going on, and a lot of people want to make it a gangbanging conversation. It's like, dudes in L.A. are too burnt out on the gang shit. It becomes your entire personality. People don't want to hear that shit. and it seems very difficult to come out, come up in this environment which shit is so divided and people don't really want to see other people win.

34:49They look at everybody like they're trying to take a spot or whatever. And that's because it is. West Coast rap, West Coast gangster rap or however you want to put it, was built on competition. That's what it was built on. It was who got the hardest bars, who's got the, you know, we're talking about corrupt. You know what I'm saying? and that was one of my, you know, it was corrupt, and it was like from the South, it was ludicrous, and it was like twisted. It was all about bars and competition, who's the hardest X, Y, Z. Now it's about clout. It's about clicks. So same context, different content.

35:25You know what I'm saying? Still the same drive for attention. Still the same drive to be looked at as you doing more or better than somebody else. but now the driver is the clicks, the shares, the numbers, and all this other type of shit, which in the inverse don't produce you no money. At least back then, you could come out the trunk, you could pull up to a swap meet and get out the trunk. You know what I'm saying? And if you had enough to burn 500 copies, you could sell them bitches as a dollar a piece and steal. Now with your streaming, with all of this, it's like that. Like even right now, I'm doing music right now.

35:59I was just in the studio yesterday. Like I said, me and Pookie F. Roo, me and Omar, finna do another song. But I'm not doing music trying to be the next whatever. I'm 40 years old. I look like trying to, you know what I'm saying? But I look like trying to chase that dream. I ain't trying to be, you know, Drake or Kendrick or none of that. I love making music. I make good music, and over the years, I built a fan base. I enjoy doing this. I'm not going to stop doing this. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to always make music. I'm working on movie scores. We're doing all types of shit. I'm going to continue to put out singles.

36:25But in no way am I sitting up here like, this going to be the one. this year this year we going platinum because that's not the way it works it's kind of disappointing and hard to deal with the fact that even if you wrote that song that was like the best song you ever wrote and it's just like it's so unbelievably hard to even get attention on music no matter what I saw an interview with PZ the other day from Detroit and he had a big record that kind of went nuts on TikTok and everything like that but he was talking about how it costs a quarter million dollars to make a record blow up to the point where everybody will even acknowledge it which is kind of harsh.

37:05Between

37:09your songcast and all your little shit you got to fill out your ass cap, your beer bars, all this other shit you got going on, your streaming your platform, your promotion, your marketing You got to pay No Jumper for a promo post You know what I'm saying? You got to do all of that shit It's costing Josh at NoJumper.com we realized this 15 years ago 15 years ago is when you start to really see the shift and change in the music from the end there, first it was a big drive to go independent, because in the 90s labels have been since the 40s so it's like now we're coming to a place where we're talking about independence, we're talking about building our own labels, and we got to see that type of shit within Rockefeller and So So Deaf and, you know, St.

37:58Ludwig. We got to see individuals coming to this music and do it. Like, damn. But then they became the gatekeepers. And I'm not pointing out nobody specifically, but it's like, come on, man. Like, on the West Coast, bro, you ain't nobody unless Snoop say you somebody. If you're on the East Coast, man, Jay got to co-sign you. If you're in the South, somebody like Scarface said. You know what I'm saying? Somebody on has to co-sign you. If not, then you're on the younger side of it. you spitting all this gang gang gang gang gang shit you know you you spitting about drugs and this and that but i'm gonna be real even those og cosigns don't really go as far as they used to go because over the last 10 years 15 years i've seen m &m cosign a bunch of different artists nobody gives a no offense to y 'all but like i've seen it i've seen m &m do songs with them right unless people really resonate with that artist they don't give a look at jay-z jay-z did a whole goddamn album with Jay Electronica.

38:54Right. Nobody. Shout out Jay Electronica. That's my guy right there. He had a moment where I was going crazy listening to his music and everything. But then for some reason, there was like a 15 year break. And then Jay-Z does a whole album with him. Same thing with. What's that really do with him? I can miss you with somebody. He just did a song with like Davies or something. He did a whole project with somebody. He produced a whole project for somebody. Well, he did the new Mobb Deep project. But then also, I think Freddie Gibbs. He does a lot of shit with a lot of those guys. I think there's a fan base now that's like, there's the hip-hop purist fan base that just exists, but that's not...

39:30It's like there's the drill genre, there's the hip-hop purist genre, which is kind of like default producer is alchemist. You got to at least touch those projects for people to really put it in that genre. And that's the kind of licensing that I'm talking about. You got to come with the bag. You got to be able to get into those rooms with those people, and them people got to either your grease and palms or do it. I've been able, like I said, to get as far as I am, as far as my discography and all that, through just respect, through being in the room, through association, right? And me understanding that, okay, well, he ain't never, just like the shit we're going to get into with the back on Vermont.

40:12You know what I'm saying? But back on Budline or whatever, you know what I'm saying? But when it comes to certain people not blocking or talking shit, it's like, bro, the work speaks for itself. Now, I don't if I had two hundred fifty thousand dollars, I wasn't dumping it. I would do something with my kids or go to Georgia and buy four or five acres and put some prefabs on it. For sure. Like I'm not not spending two hundred fifty thousand dollars. So you can be riding around in your car singing my songs. That time has passed for me. That was in the night. That was when I really, you know, we really sought this shit to be what it is.

40:47But you do got this new genre and generation of individuals who are not making music for music. They're making music to sustain their life. They want to make music because they don't want to have to worry about paying bills. They want to become famous because they want the attention that people get that are in that position. They ain't got shit to do with your love of music. But if you're a rapper and you can even make$100 ,000 a year off of streaming and some touring shit, some merchandise, whatever, that means that you have a big ass fan base that is going to listen to everything you put up because you need so many people listening to your shit to even be able to make like a decent living.

41:23You need to have a serious fan base that would basically make you the kind of person that has like, I don't know, a hundred thousand people who really give a fuck about you or more. Well, who walked these, you know, when we look at the titles of what we call the new gen rappers, the Kendricks, the Drakes, you know, the Davies is the people that are in our, in our age range. They got coast on us. They got walked on. These people didn't come out of nowhere with the tightest shit ever. They was on somebody's project. They was incubated. They was incubated. They was fostered, sheltered. I mean, not saying it in a negative way, just using the term for what it means.

41:59Kendrick was groomed. Kendrick Lamar was groomed to be in the position. He wasn't just some hard freestyle rapper. Just came off the streets. No, he was groomed. But there was levels to his growth and development to where he is right now. Same thing with Drake. Same thing with other. Still to this day, we see it with TDE. They're masterful at marketing. At marketing. They put the whole thing together for Kendrick. They made it happen. Now, granted, that also involved him being one of the greatest lyricists of all time and really working his ass off, making all this amazing music. But from the Dr.

42:32Dre co-sign to all these sort of like intelligent little media things going on tour with the right artists such as Drake, so many different things had to fall into place in order for Kendrick to basically rise to the level that he's at. But the one, the number one lock, the number one door, the number one key, however you want to put it, and we never speak about the elephant in the room, is J-Rock. If it wasn't for J-Rock, it would be no Kendrick. If it wasn't for J-Rock, it would be no TDE. He's the one who put in that monstrous amount of work, and he was the one who went out there and got that buzz, and I'm not saying he created it.

43:05Who co-signed him though? Remember he had a co-sign. Right. He had Dwayne co-sign. He had Dwayne co-sign. And that was a big deal for him. And that was a big deal especially at the time of what it sits in. Now we looking at martyrs of music. Like you're not even getting look at what Kendrick just did with that last little project with Lefty Gunplay on it. He put random individuals that not everybody is familiar with. LA guys. LA guys. Because he was criticized for not doing that. Right. You know, so I don't know what his mind frame was. Okay, let me go grab somebody from every section. Let me go grab somebody, which is masterful.

43:41But do you see how it turned out for them? Especially like Lefty. Look at everything just turned on him because he had the combination. He had the cosign from Kendrick. He's Hispanic. You know what I'm saying? It was a whole factor. But, I mean, however he acts and whatever he does. He's sober now. Sober Lefty. Allegedly. But what I'm saying is that. A lot of meth heads said that to me over the years. True. If it wasn't for that with Kendrick. then that upper echelon of shit would have never. So some people say, oh, you sound like you mad because you ain't getting no close on. I got on AD about that shit.

44:12We did a song like four or five years ago. You know what I'm saying? You may be retweeting it at that time like twice. I've been pushing this till today. That shit's on my story now. You know what I'm saying? And I'm going to continue to push my music. It's good music. I don't give a fuck who like it or not. I don't give a fuck if somebody own it or not or don't push it. But I understand the scales of this industry. It's like, oh, okay, you want me to do the song? You want me to push the song? You want me to come out for a video? You want me to do that? I get it. Things become expensive. I'm sorry, there are expenses.

44:42And then depending on how your celebrity is rising or who you are, your time becomes more valuable. I get all that. But, homie, I'm doing songs with you cats about the dirt. They go fast. He was just on Exhibit's new album. He's from San Diego. I worked with him about three years ago. I saw where he was going. That's what I do. I see artists, and I'll be like, bro, you got that shit. Legendary baller. You know what I'm saying? Older cat. But he got that swag, and it was like, I need a track from you. So Compton AV, before all of the week, Certified came out in like 2015. I had a song with Compton AV.

45:23You know what I'm saying? Because I saw all of that. I saw it coming. I saw what it was going to be, and it was like, no, I don't want to get a song with you to get on, but I want to get a song with you so when they go back in the Rolodex, they're going to see J. Real got a record. You go to Minty Slick, you're going to see. Go to Cocaine, you're going to see. Go to Compton AV, you're going to see. Go to all of these West Coast dudes. The only one, I didn't get Nate. You know what I'm saying? I really want to work with Mr. DeWine Walker. You know what I'm saying? Mr. Free. I would like to do a song with Sugar Free.

45:53But for the most part, all of my favorite artists is what I drove to, the people I drove to work with. And I built relationships with these individuals based or respect not because I was greasing pockets and talking shit or being the enemy of my enemy you know what I'm saying so I can kind of see where this is going is that it's hard being an up and coming rapper out of LA it's hard being a Hoover rapper coming out of LA because let's be real there are at least some people in positions of power on the Crip side and the Blood side that realistically are going to kind of look out for their own and the Hoovers historically have not necessarily been propped up by the industry in the same way running.

46:30Let's just be honest. The neighborhoods have been running the West Coast music industry since the 90s. Since the Death Row thing. That's what it was. The Bloods and the Crips. But those Crips were mainly from the neighborhood card. When we look at Dads, Corrupt, Snoop, all of these individuals come from that side. Battlecat, Dub C, you know, even when it comes to the Insanes and the 20s and the East Side. All of these individuals are mainly neighborhood cribs. So, nah, I might not have no animosity with you as a man, but I'm not finna let you in the circle. You're an amigo. I still got homies you didn't dust it off.

47:11Homegirls that didn't die. You know, kids that had been struck by straight bullets and shit. People, you know, robbing, stealing, boop-dee-wobbing, but I'm not finna. So when you looked at that, I finally started to really see this Hoover shit within the next last, like, maybe two years. Really just start to manifest the way you see motherfuckers doing interviews. because you're seeing them on podcasts. And that's not because we're like all extra gangster women and all that or we like mafia or so we don't talk type of shit. And it's not also because we're the most hated in South Central and so we're scared to come outside.

47:42It's because we've had a long fight to get to where we're at because we are the most hated. We are the least liked neighborhood in Los Angeles. I mean, we maybe got three or four hoods that we get along with out of the hundreds of hoods that are in Los Angeles. So every door we've tried to step through has always been shut in front of us or shut behind us to where if one of us got in, Groovy Q, then it ain't going to be no whole big-ass door. Look how hard traffic got to work. Look how hard TF got to work. You know what I'm saying? I mean, they was just in Kendrick's video. You know what I'm saying?

48:19They was just in the video, the homie Floyd. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Doing his thing. I'm not saying that he's trying to be a rapper. What I'm saying is that these individuals are right there. So we know that the cosign don't always push you to the top because these are niggas that's breaking bread with these other niggas and they still unknown people. Cause I could be like, oh, I got a song with traffic and TF who? But if I told you I got a song with Kendrick Lamar, of course, cause he's been on ABC, CBS, he performed at the super bowl. He's genuinely promoted and pushed throughout a mainstream audience.

48:49But when he come back to the people that's really grinding and trying to do this LA music shit, I think a lot of us have realized that we're never going to make it to that place, but we're going to be hood stars. Not hood stars, but we're going to be... Let me say this, though. I think that's the problem, though. I think a lot of niggas quit because, just going back to what you said about the whole wild West Coast artists not breaking out, I've been living in Atlanta since 2019. People don't get it. People who aren't from here, they just don't. I don't understand. But here's the cold part, and I'm sure you're a witness to this.

49:21people want to watch content about it. People will go watch a documentary. They'll go watch a podcast all to get in depth in gang lore, but they don't want to listen to the music that's being produced by these individuals. The culture is so foreign. It just doesn't translate. And when you up in the Midwest and the East Coast and the down South, they have their own individual cultures too, but for some reason, they're more adaptable than what we got going on. They're still utilizing slang and certain things and you even got decrypts and bloods out there and all that. But for whatever reason, this culture is in too much of a niche box to translate naturally.

49:59And it's been that way since, I mean. Study and play. Come together on a Windows 11 PC. And for a limited time, college students get the best of both worlds. Get the Unreal College Deal. Everything you need to study and play with select Windows 11 PCs. Eligible students get a year of Microsoft 365 Premium and a year of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate with a custom color Xbox wireless controller. Learn more at windows.com slash student offer. While supplies last, ends June 30th. Terms at aka.ms slash college PC. You might not never been to South Central, but I bet you know a line from Minister's Society.

50:37Yeah. I bet you might not never have been to LA, in LA County, but I bet you know something from boys in the hood. If they don't know, they don't grow, they don't. So that lure of the West Coast has always existed. But like we kind of talking about, if you're out there trying to chase that Kendrick spot, you know what I'm saying? There's certain levels to it. There's certain people you got to know, certain places you got to be in and be about. Or you just not going to do that. You're going to have to realize that now you're just making music because this is what you love to do. Maybe your music can be incorporated with some shit that becomes a part of greatness.

51:13But like I said earlier, 40 years old. I just came from the studio yesterday, but there's no way I'm trying to run it. I do shows. I do all that, but I'm not going with the mind frame like I'm trying to do this for the rest. I'm trying to become the next. You know what I'm saying? Because that shit's dead. It's the same thing with this gangbang shit. Out here gangbanging hard. When gangbanging is dead, homie. Gangbanging died in the 2000s, bro. If you're still gangbanging, I said this on the Bible way. Shout out to my guys at the Bible way. You know what I'm saying? I said this on there. If you gangbanging in 2025, you've missed the boat.

51:45Go sit your damn ass down somewhere. You're getting put on in 2025. You run around still super crypt out, pants hanging off your ass, shitty ass drawers, trying to smoke all types of drugs, not dodging your responsibilities as an individual, thinking this is supposed to look cool in front of young niggas that's dodging their responsibility. You are burnt out. You need to go somewhere. You need to sit down. Go back to the pen because that's the type of conditioning that you stuck in. You know what I'm saying? We don't need that type of shit. And like you said, it's trickling to the South. It's trickling to all these other things to where these youngsters now have taken the gang culture and instead of putting rags and titles on it like Crips or Bloods, they're just going with the full shenanigans.

52:29They just Dracos and Switches and we ain't got to represent no hood. This block, old block, 50 block, whatever block they do. They'll just make some shit on it. Three letters. That is some weird shit when you realize like, oh, this city has all these bloods and crips and shit, but they don't really give a fuck. Which is the same as L.A., but it's like L.A. has had all this time to turn into that. Right. Whereas like with these young dudes, it's like they might be from a blood neighborhood. They don't give a fuck. Y 'all 12 to 16 out here putting numbers up on the chopping block. You know, and why is that?

53:02We can bring that shit all the way back to the beginning of the conversation. What are you trying to validate, young man? what do you what do you do you like vindication do you need somebody to tell you you a man because taking a life is not gonna do it you know what i'm saying but it's we know what it is and what it looks like but but so all that kind of leads up to the fact that i think you as a person who's been making moves trying to really uplift your community and do music and all this type of shit that you see a platform coming up on the west coast that has sort of like specific hoover oriented branding and colors and everything in the form of back on fig.

53:37Right. So you start reaching out to T-Rail and that doesn't go so well. I started reaching out to Smack at first. Okay. When I saw the whole, me and Smack, very close friends, slept on each other's flows, you know what I'm saying? All that type of shit. So we got a long extended history. When they started, when the first, when the back on Vermont cracked off, you know what I'm saying? And I was looking at the situation saying, okay, this is a platform for us. Exactly. You know, your platform have been very successful throughout that time of their conception. There's other platforms that kind of popped up, breaking and stemming from this platform.

54:20You know what I'm saying? Other people's and whatever y 'all got going on. They're going somewhere. You know what I'm saying? In the multiverse out there. You know, and so, and all of these are pocket areas where one can get that direct acknowledgement, promotion, proper marketing, or have that view to where any other time, just like we was talking, if you don't know, if you ain't in the door, if you ain't in the building, ain't nobody gonna know who the fuck you is. But when we got an opportunity to say, okay, well, the neighborhood's been putting on things for years and years and years, you know what I'm saying?

54:52and then we got the Bloods who compliment us you know what I'm saying you got all these individuals who really Mitchie he hold down Dago like a mother when it comes to this rare bag shit you know what I'm saying now we got something that's for us and we got so many motherfuckers that have put in so much work over a long extended period of time and I get it you got to get yourself to a point to where you can become a, try and become like a no jumper or a drink champs or something like that. I understand. You got to get those interviews. You got to get that content. You got to get that juice flowing and going.

55:35But when you get that, oh shit, look. And I'm going to use myself for example because motherfuckers always like, you hating and all this shit. Look, J. Real Nigg, we know you've been doing music 15 plus. You know what I'm saying? We know how you get in. Whoop-de-whoop how you get in. You know what I'm saying? Let me extend this invitation to you to not try and put you on, but to give you another outlet and avenue to be seen by our folks, by our people, by what we represent. You know what I'm saying? Like a lot of the homies that they ain't fucking with right now that feel some type of way about it, you know?

56:08And if you're just going to go and say, okay, well, nah, J-Rill, I'm good because you ain't going to run my numbers up. I'm going to go put on, you know, whoever. You know, I don't want to name no names, but whoever's been on the show, you. Well, he's got plenty of people that are considered adversaries of the Hoovers, as well as all kinds of other random people and shit. But you would just think that, like, if you're going to use that kind of branding and if you really are from this place, that you would kind of be going out of your way. Because I know I've interviewed a whole bunch of Hoovers and really people from almost every neighborhood in L.A.

56:40And that doesn't come from any particular loyalty. That just comes from me wanting to support people who are up and coming. and a lot of times not even realizing where they're from until we already are. Until they're coming to some shit. Yeah, until I start doing my research or until I realize, oh, this guy's not supposed to be on this guy, whatever. Right. But, I mean, to me, that's like, if you want to put that image out there, that's the least you can do. Now, that's what we was. Now, that was initially what it was with the back on butt line. You know what I'm saying? Initially, the extension, I reached out to Smack.

57:13Hey, let me, you know, pull up. You know what I'm saying? Even if it's just background couch, you know what I'm saying? Just to kind of get that going on, you know, that view. We got work going on all over the place. How many, uh, 1952, and we got, you know, we got shit going on. Oh, I got a T-Rail run all that. T-Rail run all that. You know what I'm saying? I got a holler at it. Okay, no problem. You know what I'm saying? I don't really know because I've never seen you before in the hood or never. I've never run into you. You know what I'm saying? I don't really know who you are. But the homies say you're affiliated.

57:48You obviously got all this orange and blue shit going on. You seem to be associated and affiliated with a couple of the homies. And I know your brother is from the hood. I know your brother is from the hood. So which is really how you really, you know what I'm saying? But that's a, but so I know of you. I don't know you though. And I'm pretty sure the same could be said in reverse, you know, but to come at me on some like, oh, you ain't got nothing that I can use. You don't have nothing that I need, bro. You come fuck with me on this type of time and this type of that. But initially, you know, I'm going to just ignore you because I get it.

58:31You from the hood and all that. But I'm about this. I'm about upper echelon. You know, my girl, me and my girl doing cooking shows. And we doing power 106 this. And, you know, we at the red carpet event. You know what I'm saying? Like your girl won't get smashed. You know what I'm saying? That's what I think so many. I think sometimes dudes get to a point to where they think they're untouchable or invincible or they're vulnerable or impervious to other niggas. or other motherfuckers or bullies or whatever. Like, bro, your girl can be snatched. Your platform can be taken down. Your life can be in it.

59:02I'm not threatening nobody's life, but I'm saying, I could walk out the door right now and get hit by a bus. Anything can happen. Some shit could fall out the sky and hit me right now, and I could be gone. So what I mean by saying your life can be in it in that type of way is that to have that humbleness, to be humble and have an understanding that as I grow, there's other people that could grow with me that I could put on, that I could do X, Y, and Z with, and instead of trying to receive validation for who I never was, 56th Street God, you know what I'm saying, for who I've never been, the work I've never tried to get validation, instead of getting validation like that, let me get my validation through actually with the niggas who are about that life, who really actually been through that, who I can make some type of influence, some type of change upon their life to where now my respect and validation doesn't come from the work I put in.

59:55It comes from the work I've done with that person. And the thing is, is that if you're going to put out that image with your platform, you already know you're alienating a bunch of people. Because I know that I mentioned it one time as a joke around 4Xtra and X4. I was like, y 'all ever going to go on back on fig? And it's just, hell no. Immediately. Because what would they look like sitting on a couch that they immediately see as being representative of their enemies or whatever, which is fair. Of course, no, no brainer on their part. But what comes with that also is that you should probably embrace the people that actually are proud of your success and look at your success as being kind of representative of where they're from.

1:00:37You should try to lean into that and embrace it. You created a platform that caught, I mean, let's be real, man. Y 'all got that shit from No Temper, man. Let's just be real. All right. So y 'all was here. Y 'all broke off from here. You know, peeping game, how things were going. Yeah. Which, fair enough, a million people have done it. I'll hold it against you. I'm not. Not a knock, yeah. Hey, some places are places that are home, and some places are school and class. Some places you live in, some places you just learn from. Yeah, true. Nothing wrong with that. You know what I'm saying? Motherfucking monks go up to the temple.

1:01:11They don't go there and live the rest of their life. They go to figure out how to become monks, and then they go start their own province. And I've realized that almost anybody I put on camera here. I'm going to square it real quick. Oh, yeah, for sure. We can just pause for sure. Yeah. No, I'm right here. I just wanted to. For sure. For sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah. My bad. But yeah, that's the type of shit I'm talking about right there as far as like, and then it's like, I see the comments. I ain't got a gang of comments, gang of messages. Oh, you just mad because they're doing this and they're not doing this for you and all the X, Y, and Z.

1:01:42You watched up and your career, this and that. Like, and I'm looking at, we all missing the point. It's the representation of what we all supposed to be standing behind. It ain't got nothing to do with blowing me up or putting me on. Because if I had my way, I'd put my foot in the door and let 10 people in behind me after you. You know what I'm saying? The homie still ain't like how much work he didn't put in. And I said something on a – I did a live, and I just said, for whatever reason, it just came up. And I'm like, you know, it's not like I'm nobody. You know, my interview on here probably had like 130 racks right now.

1:02:15That's not little. You know what I'm saying? There's plenty of people who came up here to interviews, got 40, 50. You know what I'm saying? So on top of that, I've done numbers, done plenty of things. Not that nobody owes me anything, but, and you should just put a random person on just because they're a hoover. I'm a hoover. I should get an interview. Nah. But homies that either are trying to make a wave and have something substantial that they can say, hey, I did this music or I'm doing this for the community, should have an opportunity to come up there. At least highlight. at least highlight them because it's not like everybody you've had sitting down there is this who's moving the needle that's not real if you go through the past 20 episodes that they do there's no celebrities it's all just random homies and shit maybe once in a while they get a rapper who's kind of fake ass beef they was trying to administrate and all this other shit and that's another that's the whole thing is he trying to act super high power like bro you're doing 4 hour live streams that like how much would it hurt you to have the homie who's been killing himself, trying to make his music pop off for the past 10, 20 years to come in and ask him some questions for 30 minutes.

1:03:24I mean, I think freestyle spot. What is that? How hard is that? The people just, cause you bring, like I said, Garbito's man. The last couple of, I used to be vivid. Cause that's what I love. Smack. That's my brother. You know what I'm saying? And we don't talk about it. We don't talk about it after this call, that shit. You know what I'm saying? We still going to talk about it. Even after the fade, you know what I'm saying? Not with him, but even after the fade, you know what I'm saying? It's going to be talked about. But my thing is this. You're at the end of it, you're getting to the next level walking upstairs that Hoover built.

1:03:57You're not getting to the top floor and working your hammer and your nails. This elevator, Hoover built this elevator. You just happen to be privileged to get on it and hit a few buttons and go to a few floors when you want to and when you can. But to tell the homies that built the stairs that they can't come upstairs, with you. That's weird. That's like if I build a two-story house and I tell the construction crew, y 'all not welcome up. You can't come upstairs. After everything's built, said and done, marble floors, you know, everything's washed clean, bye. Because you're one thing, but like even somebody like Gumby who's older, has a shitload of respect to me.

1:04:32Anybody who watches him on camera for five minutes knows, oh, this guy's really good, very entertaining. But then thinking about it, Gumby's first time really doing content, as far as I know was with real tune from Texas, then that makes me start paying attention. And even though he's talking shit about me, I'm like, I got to get cool with this dude. I got to do some content with this dude. Cause this guy's fire. We do a bunch of content together. Now he's doing shit with unk. And then meanwhile, like T-Rex is somebody who like, so should have been tuned into the fact that this guy has some start out.

1:05:02The reason why he fell out with big deals, because big deal kind of the same shit you're saying, but on a different level, he was like, yo, let me do, let me do some streams on this platform or whatever. and he was just like nah nah nah and that's why he can start talking to me y 'all let the fig mutination y 'all let AD go run off y 'all let everybody else run off and grab a part but these ain't even the homies AD ain't from over and I bring him up because I know him I try not to bring up dudes that I can't get off this microphone and go call on the phone I know traffic, I know TF, I know AD I know these people I know smack, I don't know T-Fake But I know a lot of these individuals personally before it was even music shit.

1:05:46You know what I'm saying? Like that. And so when I look at that situation, it's like, bro, you chasing the clout. You chasing the numbers. You chasing the bag or whatever you chasing. But you leaving the foundation that you built your house on with cracks in it. You damn near building this shit on sand. It's damn near we can see it sinking. We can see the left part of the house going down. And to where y 'all got to administer a fake ass beef. and neither one of y 'all are good actors. I love SmackDown, but you're a horrible actor. You know what I'm saying? So nobody believed that. We saw it coming.

1:06:15We knew it was wrestling the whole time. The whole time, you know what I'm saying? And this was in the time, like I said, we're going to go over this part right here, and then we'll go over even the conversation after because I was even asked not to talk about this shit. I was called on the back end like, please, don't, you know, don't, don't. He was tripping. He was, I was, you know, I was being asked. I ain't going to say beg, but I was being asked. Wait, who was saying that to you? That's what I'm saying. Once we go over this. Okay. Yeah, it's all in line. I know you got some recordings. I would love to hear it.

1:06:45Yeah, we definitely want to go over this because, and my thing about this is that there have been so many episodes where it's not supposed to be about Hoover. You know, back on Manchester, it's not about Hoover. It's not about 5-1, 5-2. It's just about the culture and the music. Yeah, whatever's moving. whatever's going hot, right? And, you know, this person's not affiliated like that, and this and that. And then we get messages that are totally at the adverse because I'm going on platforms, and I'm going to tell you, it shortly came after our call-in interview. You know what I'm saying? Because I did the vibe away, which is what made you want to come in.

1:07:30Okay. You know what I'm saying? And then we did our thing, and then shortly after, I'm still, now let me say this. let me say this before we even get into this this whole time I'm still hitting T asking them about the show trying to work with this whole time it ain't no and I see you seeing my messages I see you watching my stories I see you seeing the work that's getting on and getting put in you see I'm working with the same niggas that you got sitting on your couch I'm doing songs with them it's not like I'm just doing random songs with everybody I'm doing songs with the people the very people that are in the room with you who can not just cosign but you can see it vividly and you're still now okay what's the business man what's the issue now you don't like what was said about you trying to use your platform to go above the think you hired in the homies what do you think you super whoo around this but my thing is when Gumby has some criticisms about you you're like let's get him up here let's do a legendary episode now you have some criticism about T-Rail and T-Rail's over there trying to come up with content ideas I mean shouldn't the light bulb go up bring this in the gun here and Let's do it.

1:08:34You want to start, you start fake beefs with your co-host that everybody can see right through. Well, this ain't a beef, but it's definitely a misunderstanding, an issue and discrepancy. Why not? Why not play off into that? Right. And then I asked him, bro, you're not paying me to come up here. Some of the homies got to get, some people come up here and they get paid to come up here. I got on a 10 hour, I took a 10 hour bus ride to get here. I paid$66 for a lift to get over here. and I got to do it in reverse to go back because I got other shit I got to do out of state. This came, I took time off of work to come do this.

1:09:10I spent over$400 to come here and sit here. You know what I'm saying? And it's not because, oh, you know, this is going to blow you up and this and that. Might not nobody ever watch this shit. You know what I'm saying? I'm sure they're going to watch it, but what I'm saying is this is not the key. This is not the golden ticket. You know what I'm saying? But it's an investment in myself. It's an investment in what I believe in. it's an investment to what I want the culture, my culture and my people and I'm talking about hip hop culture not just gang culture or black culture I'm just talking about the hip hop culture in essence I want them to have a view of the other side because y 'all steadily eating up this bullshit and y 'all think that's how these people when they turn off these mics you think that's how these people are.

1:09:50These people are not like that. Let's get to it. I'm so intrigued. I got a couple of them on here I'm just going to run through them all and we're don't see you because I'm like, who, who is this guy? This is the real version of him. This is the world. This is the, this is the version of him that he's not portraying. This is the version. And then when you ask me, well, who, who told you not to say nothing about it? Schmack called me shortly after these messages, like, bro, don't start him out. Don't do this. You don't know who he's talking to type situation. He don't know who you are. He's not familiar.

1:10:26He don't know what you've done, who you are. X, Y, Z, start him out. he was just drunk. I'm talking about all types of excuses. So I asked him. I said, look, man, is this content or is this something real? Am I going to pull up on 51st and see this guy and have to get, you know, active up? Or is this going to be oh yeah, you know, that was a great... And if so, why you ain't addressing it like you was just saying? Why you ain't come on the show? Why you in my DMs talking like this? This summer, Prime Video takes you back before Legally Blonde, before law school, and into the world of Elle Woods in high school.

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1:11:44Uh-huh. Even from when y 'all was working together and all that type of stuff. You ever heard this type of rhetoric? I never heard him banging like that on camera. That's why it's like, oh, shit, you a secret banger. You see that this is actually his. So that way, because the people may not be able to see. No AI. This ain't no AI. This is actually his account. You know what I'm saying? So let's. Fuck you, nigga. Know who I am, nigga. Give a fuck about you, boy. Nigga, we ain't doing nothing, nigga. We're like nothing together, nigga. What you talking about, nigga? I do what I want to do when I want to do it.

1:12:21That's just crazy to talk to a homie like that, though. So, like, get out of homie like that. Let's get into why he responded. Let's get into the initial message from me. Groovy guy. Well, I know you know from the groove. We already established that, but what's with it, man? Niggas need to run an episode, cuz. For real. Nigga. Niggas, this shit is becoming unavoidable, nigga. Niggas talked to Lil' Chim yesterday and some bullshit. Niggas need to go ahead and put a nigga on the show, bro. You know what I'm saying? so we can go ahead and hash it out and get to it, get to the end of it. Now, that's what I said.

1:12:58So that response that you just heard from him was his first response. Nigga, where you even come from, bitch?

1:13:06Look at that rag on your head.

1:13:12What the hell? This nigga trying to put his eyes in a screen. Nigga, get the fuck out of here, Boy, you better go keep making them diss songs, boy. Referring to the whack diss track that I did. Nigga, where the fuck you even come from? Nigga, what the fuck I'm talking about? We established something, nigga. You're not from the 50s, young man. Who was over there? Yo mama over there, man. Who was over there doing that, man? Fuck up out of here, nigga. You talking to, boy?

1:13:53This nigga crazy is a motherfucker, bro. Nigga. Come on, homie. Just save all the messages, too. Go show everybody. Go show everybody. Right, so now... So this is the one that was the most disturbing. This was the last message. I'm going to play... I'm going to play my response to all of that. And then I'm going to play his very last message. And this is why he got to come to the barbershop. This is why he got to come You know because we just don't speak That type of way but let me let me Are you from the 50's? You from Fado's? For sure You got it Do your homework on your homie's dog You feel me?

1:14:40And don't worry about it You got your own specific diss track coming Straight to you since you asked for it And the conversation ain't changed It still needs to be had You can laugh all you want to still got to be had him. And we're talking about that conversation as the representation of Hoover and how he's representing it in a way that's facetious and a lot of times exploitive and it's making some of us look a certain type of people who are not from LA who watch back on Vermont they interpret this is Hoover. This is how Hoover's are. This is how they talk. This is how they act. This is who these are them.

1:15:21But we don't act like this. We don't. Nigga on West Side Hoover, nigga. 52nd Street, nigga. Like I said, nigga. 50s, nigga. F*** wrong with you, nigga. I don't know who the f*** you think you questioning, boy. Ain't don't give a f*** about no diss track, nigga. It's Crip, nigga. F*** wrong with you, nigga. Diss me a hundred times, nigga. I got a chili out here, nigga. So, you better ask about me, nigga. This Hoover though, nigga Really 56th Street, nigga Are you kidding me? Are you what? The f***, nigga Stupid ass nigga Niggas like you, nigga Nigga, you can utilize me, nigga I can't utilize nothing you got going on On the set, nigga Who I can't utilize?

1:16:14Nothing you got going on What's wrong with you, nigga niggas ain't for the nigga you ain't you ain't bullying no scene with me nigga on Westside Hooper nigga you ever see me on Hooper nigga on my mama I got one arm I'ma steal maniac the scene on Hooper I'ma steal I'ma steal maniac the scene but that's that's cool though but niggas like you bro niggas like you so before we finish maniac the scene that's worse than bullying the scene is that is that not a now I'm just saying is that or is that not a call out call work of course yo one arm I'ma fuck you up I see you in one arm. If I see you in one arm.

1:16:49OK, let's finish this. Oh, God. You could have utilized me. You feel me? Instead of doing what you doing, what's wrong with you, nigga? The nigga? You better stop listening to niggas. You feel me? What you going on? My little brother? Nigga, I'll have my little brother knock you out. I'm hoping, nigga. You stupid, nigga. This is family affairs, nigga. What's wrong with you, nigga? Lil' Chim over here. Call him. Call Lil' Chim. See what he tell you. Call Lil' Chim. See what he tell you. Nigga, it's my last time talking to you, nigga. Fuck you, nigga. Fuck up out here, nigga. Nigga, make a hundred diss songs, nigga.

1:17:35What's wrong with you, nigga? I'm my mama, nigga. You gotta sit in front of the screen, nigga, for 15 minutes and make more money in front of... Way more money than you. Get out of here. Nigga, you know who the fuck I am, nigga? Weird-ass nigga. Wow. That's where we come to. You know, we come to a point to where not only is you super hoover now. Yeah. Super big, groovy, 56th Street. God. 56th Street. God. Five days. Ready to mangle. Massacre. Maniac. Now you see my responses. Yeah. I can get just as ignorant and all that type of questions. But you see how I respond because once again, we as Hoovers have a code of conduct.

1:18:24There's rules and regulations. You just don't. What type of Hoover do that? What type of Hoover talks like this? You know what I'm saying? Even when it came to Gumby and his overexertion, he overexerting on facts. He overexerting on things that are concrete, not foolishness. I'm the hardest hoover on the planet I'm the God once again you talking to your own homies like this while you let the inimigos sit on your couch and smoke weed with you and talk with you now don't get me wrong nothing against nobody that sat on their couch and it's not no animosity between games because I just told you earlier if you game banging at 25 it's an issue with you but when we looking at the context of what we talking about you rather come at your own homie like this knowing that what you're talking about is not validating you know I'm from the you know I'm from the 50s like you know that for a fact so you coming at me like that is like wow okay and then you saying you're gonna mangle me if you see me so you know that's like automatic literally 0 % of people watching this right now think that there's any truth to that what zero it's hard to get to zero like 1 % is a lot zero And I'm not because, you know, they listening and people be listening and folks be looking and I'm not here for diamonds.

1:19:45I ain't here for none of that stuff. So I'm not going to pose it like, oh, oh, he threatened me. Y 'all heard it. You know what I'm saying? So now, no, that's what we're going to keep where it's supposed to be. Right. Within the family. But at the same time. I go, I automatically get off to get off of that and I send smack these messages. I send Smack these messages because you can just forward your DMs to another person because you forward them to me me and you was laughing like a father fucker what type of blue shoes you on so I immediately send it to Smack because at this point in time I need to know is this serious is this something that is a serious situation because we do frequent the same areas.

1:20:34There's a very good chance that I might pull up or you might pull up and we're going to see each other. There's going to be an event or there might be a funeral. There's going to be a good chance that we're going to see each other. So is this because Smack asked me about the back on, about the Vibe Away interview. He was like is it real or is it content? I told him the subject matter is real but you know we make it content. I'm still trying to push in this and that but the conversation needs to be had about how y 'all representing Hoover. That's when the videos start coming up. This ain't about Hoover.

1:21:05This ain't about the hood. This ain't about that. But then, you see how I talk to them. Look, let's get on the show. Let's have a conversation about this, bro. This shit needs to be talking about. Oh, 50-cent straight car, nigga. I'm a man. You all this other type of shit, right? I send these messages to Smack. Smack, I guess, had a new phone or a different phone. But Traffic, we all know each other. Smack called Traffic. Traffic called me and said, huh, here's Smack's new number. Call him. This is maybe within the five-minute gap of me sending the messages from T-Fake to Smack. Like five minutes later, right, I get this call from traffic.

1:21:45Here's Smack number, call him. As soon as I pick up the phone, hey, bro, stall him out. He faded. He don't know what he's talking about. You know what I'm saying? He just lit. Stall him out. Please don't, don't, don't. You know, I ain't saying he was begging. Like, I ain't putting it on like Smack was begging. but what I do believe is that Smack understands that he's trying to build something, that he's a part of something that he wants to progress and, and having those little sidelines, especially when it comes so close to home, this Hoover business we talking about, that's Hoover business. You know what I'm saying?

1:22:18I ain't got nothing to do with no podcast. They ain't got nothing to do with no rap music. They ain't got nothing to do with no culture. How you talking to me right there, that's Hoover business. And say what you will about Smack, but Smack is outside. Like Smack can't really just be like talking to somebody that he might realistically see in the neighborhood and be like, hey, I'm going to fuck you up if he doesn't actually believe that. So Smack is out here living in reality and then you got T-Rail off in Woodland Hills or whatever basically just running his mouth acting like he could beat up people that he can't beat up.

1:22:48Acting like his brother is going to beat you up. Your brother ain't doing shit for you. Your brother don't like you. We've already, you know, like I said, who's a business is who's a business. But those conversations have been had. established already amongst who they need to be. Big deal is not doing some goofy shit like that. And it's not gonna happen. It's not happening. It's not at all. If anything, it was like rag. They called me Lil Blue Rag, 52nd Overstreet. So it was more like rag. You good. Don't even work. This is just woop-de-woop. To where other homies is hearing about this dude and don't know who he is.

1:23:19Homies is coming home from the pen, learning this internet shit, learning about this podcast shit, and they keep hearing this nigga's name in a negative light coming from little homies. Homies is coming up with the bigger homies like, hey, we got to do something about it. Tribble, wham, wham, wham. Because I'm here, the homies here, to represent what we're talking about, but there's a whole field of individuals that feel exactly the way we do. We're just here voicing how they feel. It's a gang of homies that ain't been back on Vermont. You know what I'm saying? It's a gang of homies that's tried to reach out, that's tried to show up, and it's like being pushed to the side.

1:23:54Come on, Smack. You know you got, you done had all types of people up there. Just like when we was talking at the conversation, most of the dudes at the table when we was on the phone conversation was like, oh yeah, I've been up there. You know, I ain't never had no problem with this. I ain't never had no problem with that. Okay, well, where's the problem at? You know, we did a - Why certain niggas not getting through the door. That's the real question. Who the effing rule? We getting ready to do some music. We was on the Rob Away, right? Now I see you back on feed. You know what I'm saying? I see you going on the show.

1:24:22Okay, well, obviously, he was still engaged in the same type of conversation. He wasn't like pointing at y 'all but he was in understanding and in agreements to what the situation was. You just let him on the show. But it's crazy because that's how me and the viral way ended up getting super cool is because of the fact that when the viral way, T-Rail reached out to them to basically do content and the viral way were like, yeah, like we'll go on your show, but you should come through Long Beach and come on our shit too. Like we'll do like a trade or whatever. And T-Rail's reaction was basically like, hell no, I ain't going on your rinky dink little ass show.

1:24:55and it's like to me that's just crazy like your view counts are not some crazy shit you are not joe rogan you are a dude doing street content in la etc and and that's how like me and me and the viral way ended up kind of hitting it off because they realized that i was somebody that's like yeah if you're gonna come and with my platform and support my shit then i don't think i'm bigger than than you to pull up to drive 45 minutes on the highway to go do your podcast in long beast it's not a big deal to me you know and and realizing that he just has that vision of himself in his head but really i think that's what's kind of up his fan base because you know they they're rocking at like 10 20 percent of the view the viewership that they used to do because the fans kind of realize oh this dude is not really on the shit that he's acting like he's on he don't really respect to the people that support him even the fans like he'll he'll say right to the camera like i don't give a about you if you don't want to watch this shit don't watch this shit, I don't give a fuck.

1:25:50That's such a huge turnoff. The hubris is amazing, bro. My shit don't stink. T-Rail is amazing. You know what I'm saying? Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not taking from what they have done over there. I don't want to take from that. I don't want to exclude that the work that they've had to put in, long hours they've had to do, X, Y, and Z, whoever's doing the editing, whoever's doing this, setting that up. That stuff takes work. So I acknowledge that, right? But what are we talking about here, bro? We're talking about somebody who thinks they're bigger than the program. Yeah. You think you're bigger than the program.

1:26:30And nobody is bigger than the program. And if you think that certain things you do are not going to come back around to confront you, then you got more things coming in you than you know. I even suggested them changing the name. Call it something else because, like I said, they're putting out videos. This ain't got nothing to do with Hoover. Orange and blue everything in the background. This ain't got nothing to do with Hoover, but you're grooving and cousin and cousin and grooving every other word come out of your mouth. You're doing personal Hoover stomp videos. When I seen that, I said, why is T-Rill doing a Hoover stomp video?

1:27:11I seen this girl throwing up H's and throwing up gang sites. She's been doing that forever. You're a white girl from Texas. Don't do that. Not only you not from the hood, he not from the hood. What are we doing here when it comes to the homie Bosco who did 30? What are we doing when we're talking about the homie Gumby who didn't put in work? The homie that's my homie, Gorilla Hebrew, who's mashing the H down people's throat, but with clarity and guidance and opening their minds to diverse thinking about religion and purpose, putting the H, stamping the H on it every time. And you ain't got him on it.

1:27:48So this is one of the most positive Hoovers on the Internet, period. You're not going to go find a more positive representation of Hoover on the Internet nowhere. I ain't talking about a religious standard or a spiritual standard aside. You're not going to see nobody in everybody who are working with nonprofits, organizations, all of this stuff. The people, all the inimigos, all of that type of stuff. Me, you should at least have a Hoover hotspot or a Hoover highlight where every Friday y 'all take 15, 20 minutes out to focus on somebody from the neighborhood that's doing something positive or contributing or giving back.

1:28:28You want to focus on putting the youngest, hottest, newest rapper you trying to do on there. And then you, like I said, bro, you don't, you radio personality, you're cooking, you're walking, you're doing everything. And now you're super. Hoover over in your DM. God. God. I'm going to tell you what's crazy too, because, you know, Milk, Milk get a lot of flack. Milk has put on and promoted a lot of different Hoover artists and platforms and got them known. So the first time Gumby was ever even on back on FIG, he didn't go up there. Smack called him in and it was talking about milk. So Gumby was exploited to be anti-milk in this situation through a phone call on back on FIG.

1:29:11But you won't let Gumby come tell the story. He got to come up here to tell the story. That was like two years ago when that happened. Your supposed opposition. You know what I'm saying? They got to come to your supposed enemies and all that. When that itself is retarded, excuse me, I don't mean to say that word. That itself is ridiculous. You know what I'm saying? Within itself to think that a genre of individuals doing something is actually at odds. Now, I get the competition. Cool. You know what I'm saying? That's why y 'all got podcast awards and shit like that. You know what I'm saying? You let the people decide who's the best watch, who's the most like.

1:29:46You let the people decide that. You don't try and systematically take people, co-worts people, lie, and then act like, you know, oh, I get all this myself. Every time somebody leaves No Jumper, hey, where's their first place? Where's the first place they're going? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're watching. But the thing about it is you're watching the wrong way. And for you to come, like I said, Schmack, I love you. You're my buddy. You know what I'm saying? And I did tell you that I would leave it alone in the moment, but this has been over a month or so since this happened. No resolution. I'm not, I haven't been contacted by him on any spectrum from the, oh, let's talk, let's do a show, or my bad, or meet me on 51st.

1:30:29I ain't heard nothing from you, period. But you this big old guy and you're doing all of this shit and guess what? Like I said on the message to him, you got it. You got it. Yeah, you can sit in front of the show.

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1:31:25Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. Screen and make, you know, way more than 15 minutes. That's exaggerating. You sound like a woman throwing her new Birkin bag in another woman's face at the nail salon. That's what you sound like when you say dumbass shit like that. Oh, you can, I can't get nothing from you. You can get everything from me. Well, give me an opportunity then, which I was already been asking. If you, if you can open so many doors and you got it like that, well, I can learn from you. I can, I can use you. Then why aren't you being you? Why don't you let motherfuckers use you in that manner?

1:31:59You know what I'm saying? But you got to remember that T. Rel is somebody who was raised by his mom. And so I think that that's a big part of why he's got like feminine summertime to the hood type of dude. You know, he, summer school let out, I mean, school let out for summer. Now you're in the hood. Yeah. One of them type of guys, you know. You know, I knew a lot of guys like that from San Bernardino. Shout out to the Dirty Division and the D, you know what I'm saying, Kimo and Dash and all them. But I knew a lot of guys like that from San Bernardino, you know what I'm saying. They weekends or summers, they be in L.A.

1:32:32Then, you know, when I was living out in the Dino, then they come back and they be from somewhere. Now they from Powerwood, they from Hoover, they from this. Now they the hardest dude out here, but not respected at home type of thing. You know what I'm saying? And so we understand how you played your game and how you got your position or where you at. We know who your family is. We know what your connections are and how your affiliations work. You have to understand that there is a code of conduct to this type of stuff. We all know that. You're not going to invite somebody. Like you said, it took you a while to figure it out, but damn, you know, It maybe had to be them.

1:33:08I got the neighborhood and the Hoover on the show at the same time. I didn't. The fuck? I got the blood in the crib. Somebody just got laid down last week from there. I didn't know about that. I'm just trying to create content, trying to be, you know, this and that. But as far as they're concerned, they have vivid, tapped it. You, you, you're there. Like smackers in the street. You're there. You know when stuff happened on Manchester. You know when stuff is going down on Vermont. You know what happened yesterday and this and that, next Y and Z. You know the individuals that might have been, not participated, but affected by whatever is going on.

1:33:42So you have a better sense of understanding than this guy over here who's pretending, and that's why that car came through like stall him out. Leave him alone. He does not know who you are. I told you earlier, I'm the most known, unknown nigga in South Central Los Angeles. I'm known by so many people, but so many people, you guys, who's J. Will, they ain't going to know. And somebody told me I should use that as my gimmick. You know what I'm saying? You know, being this and that. It's not about being known. I put in my work a long time ago. I did what I had to do a long time ago. I've paid my dues.

1:34:14I've took my bullets. You know what I'm saying? I've done all of that type of shit. And I've helped try and reform. We gave out 257 boxes this last Saturday at a nonprofit to the homeless people. I didn't get paid for that. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't community service that was court ordered. I did that because I wanted my kids to see how they can maintain social, I mean, communal economics without having to go to Walmart, without having to invest in capitalism in the way that it is. That's a whole different subject matter. But this is the type of shit I'm on. But this is the type of shit you own.

1:34:48You think you're going to continue to progress? You think you're going to continue to elevate? You think your fan base going, after watching this show, you're going to lose two, three percent of them? I know that because... I ain't never heard you speak like this. For sure. Even to you, even at the height of y 'all arguments and y 'all little beef going back and forth with y 'all videos and buck them and this. I ain't never heard them talk about no 56th Street, God, Hoover, Crib, I'm going to mangle you. I'm going to do all of this other type of stuff. And that's what the fans hate is they hate when there's a disparity between what you'll say on camera and what you'll say behind the scenes.

1:35:23Because I remember there was one time where I said like, yo, you never got put on. you are not even from the place that you're from like you're from. And that just stands out to me because he cried talking about it on camera. He was crying saying, ain't nobody on earth who could tell me that I ain't from Hoover street. Like tearing up. I'm like, that's not normal. That's not normal. You're not supposed to tear up saying where you're from. I finally made you say where you say you're from. Right. And now you're crying. That's weird. Finally, finally you let us all know what it is because everybody else been saying you're not a Philly.

1:35:55everybody else been saying that it really has nothing to do with no street or no this and that it's about the culture it's about this it's about giving a section some assign like we said the neighborhoods really didn't ran the bloods this and that even though when we talk about like king little g and all the you know the hispanic rap scene you know i'm saying people that have been putting on in their sections you had an opportunity and have an opportunity to shine a light on the section that's been in the dark for a long time bro and this is how you decide to to use that position in your life?

1:36:26It was crazy because we got to go back because this go even before that. This go back to Tiger when he was with Tiger. Now, I remember when he got with Tiger and it was a particular homie about the 50s that told me like, hey, Tiger from the set. This is what somebody told me, right? And I'm like Shout out to X Crown. Which wasn't X Crown that told me, but it was through that association. Shout out to Free X Crown and all that, right? Free X Crown. So I'm like, okay. Tiger's with the homies. Cool. You know, so, you know, I started getting off in the Tiger. So this is how I even see about T-Rail, the association with Tiger, right?

1:37:00But I see him. He's on tour. They going on a big tour with Tiger. He's orange ragging and all that. Okay, cool. Like, the homies is through the door. That's how I'm looking at it. Right. So you're supposed to be getting us through the door. You're supposed to be shining that positive light. You're supposed to be that avenue, that venue for us. And then now you're there and you're going, nigga, I'm too big for you, nigga. Yeah, what's wrong with you, nigga? That ain't the way to be. Kiss the ring. You coming with that kiss the ring attitude. Like you ain't talking to Don Colton, but that's a different.

1:37:24And you're not where you're at the height of Tiger's room. It ain't Rag City no more. You know what I'm saying? So you should definitely be humble, even going back to when the big exodus happened here. Because that was like right after the first time I came here. I came here all of a sudden, a month later, everybody left. But I watched you. Let's figure it the fuck out. You know what I'm saying? What do we do? What's going to be the next thing? And you got to be innovative in this content space. Instead of doing that, he's like, nigga, I'm T-Rail. It doesn't matter. I'm going to get here and I'm going to run the chili up and everybody's going to watch me.

1:37:55And like you said earlier, he's got to be more humble than that. Because you're not going to keep prospering in this space or in life in general with that mentality and treating people like that. You think you're on top of the world. You think your girl can't get knocked. You think that you got the bag, the super bag and all this other type of stuff. Look, man, you one foot in front of the other like everybody else, bro. accept your accept your blessings as a privilege that you've been handed to be in a space that not many people can get to and I think Smack honestly is getting kind of tired of the disrespect and I feel like Smack's kind of hanging on because the money is appreciated by him but I've seen clips of the way he talks to Smack and I'm like damn you gonna f*** up the one thing that makes this shit work is that you got this co-host that actually has like some real passion and energy and is really from where it's from.

1:38:49He actually got validity. He actually has the name. He solidifies you. He makes you what it is that you're talking about. Without Smack, it would be just back on back. That's it. You know what I'm saying? It wouldn't be nothing else but that. You know what I'm saying? Your affiliations and your associations with your brother and the homies, we already know how that worked out and all this other type of stuff. But Smack is the cape that helps you fly across the city and say the world. You know what I'm saying? Without Smack you don't fly, homie. And my homie is not your mascot. My homie is not your mascot.

1:39:25He's not your pushover. He's not your kid with the dummy hat on in the corner you can just kick in the ass and laugh about them falling. And I know Smack has something to say. It's not like that, but the eyes see different. When we watch our interactions and we watch how this is, it's like, come on, bro. I'd rather you just get your own show. I'd rather The Smack just start his own show and it'll be way more intuitive and it'll be way more ready to watch because he has that spirit of being an actor, being a showman. You know what I'm saying? He has that showmanship as an individual. T-Rill, you just obviously were in the right place at the right times and are exploiting and taking advantage of those right places at the right time.

1:40:08But your shit running short and it's running out. And like I said, especially after this, bro, you finna lose, bro, because like, who is you? First of all, you contradicted yourself so many times just in them few messages from all the work you put in over all this time. You've shitted on so much of what you said you represent and who you are and how you move it just in a few sentences because you either can't hold your liquor or maybe you jealous of the real. I don't know. Maybe it's because I really am from the turf. Maybe it is because I really, because you look me up and you've seen I got all of this shit going on.

1:40:39and maybe it's like, well, damn, that's the homie, but I can't let him get too much. I don't want to look at it like that, but how many times do we really, really encounter that type of hatred? Like I said, you sound like a female. I'll make more money than you. Or I can help you. You can't do nothing for me. You sound like a girl that's arguing you down about how she can get somebody else to fuck her in a heartbeat. You know what I'm saying? I don't need to be with you. I got niggas all on me. That's how you sound when you come like that. Sound like a bitch. And that's why I said it's still T-Rell.

1:41:11And I don't even want to, like, bring this up because I feel like we haven't fully started to seem like we're hating, hating. But there was that clip that came out of T-Rell and Turks where he sees academics in the club. And he had been talking crazy about academics. And then people see him going over there and trying to get a shot. Let me see that bottle of water, man. Trying to get a shot from him. How you let the motherfucker do this to you? Like, bro. Hold on. Wait, bro. Even just as a dude, that's something. But as a Hoover, Crip. But you're supposed to be 56th Street God. What the fuck? You're supposed to be one-armed, monstrous, mangling.

1:41:48Massacre. Massacre. This is your enemy. This is your podcast enemy. This is your podcast. But then the shit you got to watch is you got to watch the clip of academics reacting to T-Rell describing it. Because T-Rell's like, I went in that bitch. I bullied the whole scene. and it's kind of like, like, Ak is laughing his ass off, dying flying out of a chair. You look like a stripper in a section. You got my fellas pouring drink in your mouth. To the fans, like, the fans are like, how can I take you serious if you were acting like you were on some tough shit and we all saw it? Ak drove the boat. Yeah.

1:42:20That's crazy. Ak drove the boat. That's why. Come on, man. So, and then, soon after that, you got a deflection direction of, oh, come on, Smack, let's fake a beef real quick. Yeah, right? Like, that'll fix everything. That'll fix everything. Don't forget. Great idea. Don't forget. Let's just, you know, fake a beef and this and that. No, bro, we ain't forgot how weird you are, man. You're a weirdo, bro, you know. And I ain't going to, like I said, I don't want to, ain't no, like, defamation character. I'm not trying to, you know, put it in a position to where I'm, like you said, it just sounds like continuous.

1:42:52Hey, we'll do, we'll do. We actually move on to the next subject matter, you know. But I just want to tell you, I need to see you at the barbershop. That's Mando. I don't care if it's now, 10 years from now, 20 years from now, or in the afterlife. I need that. I don't, you don't talk to me like that. You need to ask who it is you're talking to or talking about, and I'm pretty sure Smack told him afterwards. And that's why I haven't heard anything from him. Because if you would have had, and not gave him all types of bitches and this and that, then you would have had no problem, you know, picking that number one at the barbershop.

1:43:29You know what I'm saying? You would have had no problem for that. So we understand what it is. I'm going to need that. Now, I'm going to also probably, you know, try and end it here and wrap like, I wish you progressing in positivity and I wish you abundance in what you're doing. We all want to see him win. I want to see you win, right? But it can get lonely in that winter circle when you ain't got no team, bro. And it can get very scary when you're walking that trophy back to the parking lot by yourself. That's all I'm going to say. You know what I'm saying? For a fact. Facts. Yo, so tell me about this book.

1:44:02Land of No Pity Man, a South Central story. This is my autobiography. Just about being born and raised in South Central. Some of the stuff that we went through in the beginning of the interview about my relationships, my time in the foster system. Wait, you broke out of jail? I just seen a title. Jailbreak. Yeah, jailbreak. No, I did not break out of jail. I'm not one of them. You're the New Orleans. You're the New Orleans. No, that was the, that section of the book is when I was incarcerated. Got it. And so it was kind of just. Oh, a break. Yeah, like jail break. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

1:44:41Where I made some mistakes in my life and I had to go sit down for a couple months. And that was just the stuff that I went through at that time. You know, separations to kids, fighting with alcoholism, and just all this different stuff going on. I try to put it in perspectives to where it's understandable by everybody who can read it, but still give it its own vivid signature because foster care, gangbanging. I mean, this is the regular rhetoric when you think about L.A. niggas. Let's just be honest. You know what I'm saying? My story is everybody's story from L.A., and not just black people.

1:45:18It's just anybody who's L.A. County, they either got jumped or robbed at one point in time or somebody that tried to throw it. You done ran and encountered this culture in some type of way. So my thing was to be able to tell my story, and hopefully it gives articulation to those who don't know how to articulate theirs. You know, I speak about being an essay at a young age in the foster system. You know what I'm saying? I speak about joining the gang and what we were talking about, the pressures of a young man trying to find his rites of passage through the street and all of this stuff. And maybe it's some frustrated young dude out there who got that all up here, but he don't know how to articulate it.

1:45:55He doesn't know that somebody else feel exactly the way he feel and been through what she been through and X, Y, and Z. So I put this out for that reason. And the other reason is, you know, just being honest, bro, I wanted to make something tangible. I wanted to create something tangible that my children can hold and pass down to their children. They'll always be able to say, okay, it's reading time. Go get Pawpaw's book off the shelf. That's powerful. You know what I'm saying? and I know everybody got books, you know, a lot, not everybody got books, but nowadays, especially with this chat, GBT and all of this AI, my fucking can just type some shit in and it took me 14 months to write that.

1:46:35I self-published it. It took me eight hours to study how to publish it myself and it took me 10 hours to publish it on a Monday. So that was, and I still got tweaks and kinks and all that, but this was my message to the world, but my gift to my children. Daddy, daddy been doing what he doing a long time. Music, this, now I'm getting into act and all that, but realistically, I probably won't become a Bill Gates. I probably won't have money like Elon Musk. I'm not saying it's not possible, but I, you know, and I'm not saying I won't work or drive myself to going towards that, but the reality is, is in between that mission, what can I do?

1:47:11What can I create now? Like I said, tangible. They can hold. They can see. That's a product of not just their father's mishaps and fuck-ups. Yeah, I see empty shot bottles in the trash can. That's what I know my dad for. No, I see books on the show. I see empty beer bottles all over the backyard. That's what I know my dad for. No, I got a discography of over 20 years of music. You know what I'm saying? I see my father trying to obscure the perception of my life coming from where we come from. You too, you know what I'm saying? Where you come from. Because like I said, we all been in this culture all our lives.

1:47:46You wouldn't be sitting here involved in what you're doing if you didn't have some type of knowledge, some type of background, some type of influence, some type of involvement in this culture. You know what I'm saying? So we all have had that experience. But do we want them to make, do we want that to be our resume that's handed to our children one day? Do we want to be known for what we've done, or do we want to be known for what we do? You know what I'm saying? Because I'm not what I'm doing, I'm what I do. So it's a lot of people going to watch this podcast, and they'll be like, oh, he bitching.

1:48:14He complaining. He hating. He this. Oh, he not this. Oh, he lived in San Bernardino for five years. oh he you know he moved to arizona he got whatever you know i'm saying it's gonna be a lot of that type of shit but dig through the bullshit it's not always about the messenger it's always about the message no because i'm gonna be real with you like despite the little tangent that we had to do to talk about some drama or whatever like this interview has kind of reminded me of how much i appreciate doing podcasts because you actually have a very moving story you know coming from the the foster care system and all that shit like i mean i can only imagine how tough it's been to overcome the feelings that that kind of left you with as a kid.

1:48:53And to see you having such a positive mind state is very motivational. It took them babies, man. There's something called post-traumatic slave syndrome, right? And it's like a systemic thought that's pressed on a lot, especially young black males, of short life. Meaning like, I just don't feel like I'm going to live long. knowing that we can get clapped going to the store or this or X, Y, and Z. I might get in tour with somebody. Or I see everybody around me leaving early. My elders are passing away. The homies, I was just with them yesterday. They gone. They not making it to 14, 21, 25. So we have a short life expectancy, mind frame, which allows us to turn on the gene.

1:49:41I don't care. Because I don't know if I'm going to make it to the mall anyway. But you can't build a foundation like that. You can't build legacy like that. You know what I'm saying? You want to be a long-term investment guy or you want to be a day trader? Go ahead and watch some screens and wait for that shit to jump in so you can hurry up and click the button. Or invest in something that years and years later is going to grant you the cushion and the opportunity to change the situation of a future, of a family member. We sit up and complain about, we got the bag, I'm on, I can do more of this than you and all this shit.

1:50:13I got chili. I got chili. Okay, well, where are the spoons? Where are the bowls? because there's hungry kids out here. So what are you doing, bro? You feeding that light skin? You feeding her all the oxtails and all of that. So I see how thick she been getting. Yeah. I told you, your girl's not untouchable, bro. You really think that? All right, one of them NBA players come slide up on your ass, bro. One of them football players, Marshawn Lynch, come do an interview. You'll see how quick. Don't get me started on Paul Pierce. Look, people start to fall off eventually, bro. They start to fall off if they have no way to maintain.

1:50:47I might be the most unknown, known rapper from Los Angeles, but I'm going to always leave and imprint my legacy in whatever it is I do. We're working on movies right now. Shout out Force Entry, the movie, California Hooligans. We're working on that right now. And, you know, shout out my babies, man, Michael, Jewel, and Malik. Y 'all keep me going. Y 'all keep me striving. Y 'all keep me waking up every day, motivating me to do better. You know what I'm saying? So shout out to my kids. You know what I'm saying? I appreciate you, man, for real. That was a great conversation, and I appreciate the time.

1:51:21And fuck T. Rue. I'm going to put this up here just so we have a reminder for the people to tap in and check it out. If they want to hear it or if they want to read it, where do they go? We're on Amazon. We got Amazon. You can just type in Land of No Pity, a South Central story, or just Land of No Pity into Amazon. It's on BarnesandNobles.com, and it's also on Walmart.com. So you can go, you won't be able to get a physical copy, but for me, but when I'm pretty sure my name will be, you know, you'll tag, have my name in the title or whatever. So you guys can just type that into any social media platform.

1:51:56It's always used the same name. I don't use nothing different, but J wrote it really. So Instagram or just even if you want to hear the music, Spotify, YouTube, all of those things, it'll link you to the book. It'll link you to the music. I got daily affirmation videos I do for those who trying to get up out of that anger and aggression and all that and just trying to have a space where they can kind of get their minds together. You know what I'm saying? Call them gangsta affirmations. No, I'm just kidding. But I do got affirmations out. And we're just doing a lot of work. So, yeah, J-Real the Realest, man.

1:52:26D-A-E-S-T, not I-S-T. And go check your boy out. I got something new coming with Bitch of Lamont. I got something new coming with Pookie F &Rude. I got a new song coming out with Omar Gooden. We working, you know, we working. For sure. Appreciate your time, man. My bad, one more. For sure, for sure. Shout out the modern. I got to say shout out to my guys, Sean and Marcus and Tesla Tim, man, because they engineer and run the studio I have in Arizona. Okay. So without them, I wouldn't be able to do a lot of stuff in and out of state and all that. So I definitely got a shout out there. But, yeah, that's it, my guy.

1:53:05You know what I'm saying? And fuck, you real. Oh, yeah, yeah, no. That's real. Yo, shout out to my man, J-Rio. Gorilla, bro, appreciate you coming through too, man. Yes, sir. No John Burke, coolest podcast in the world. Like, comment, and subscribe. I'm definitely interested to read some comments on this bitch. So, yeah, shout out to anybody who watched this. I appreciate your time, man. No problem, man. Much love. Thank you. Uncovered windows can make your home feel up to 20 degrees higher. Stay cool and save up to 45 % off custom window treatments during the 4th of July VIP access sale at blinds.com.

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