Kraig Smith on Do Boy Getting Bullied, Corey Holcomb Drama, Avoiding the Streets & More

31:17But he killed it by thriving competition. But I don't give a **** what you think. He thinks it's not even – it's just about the moment and what the **** we doing. And that's the problem with doing those host competitions is that even though they have been kind of fruitful for us, it's also someone who's established, which granted he's like pretty established to have been doing that, is usually like not going to really want to put themselves in a position where they have to like compete against a bunch of other people who realistically don't have shit you got a nigga slapping your titty that's not on your level yeah yeah no well that happened a few months the the the craziest thing i've ever seen dope boy do he took his shirt off and he did a cartwheel and he got titty in his mouth that was he motorboated himself have you ever ran with your shirt off i have because like i remember in high school there there was a girl, I don't know if this was folklore or not, but the word was when I was 13, and this girl had way bigger boobs than any other girl my age, but the word was that before she got a bra, she was running on the track, and one of her boobs went up and gave her a black eye.

32:26Yeah, that's beautiful, yeah. And I don't know if that is a real thing or not, but it was repeated so many times around the school that it might as well have been true. Nah, when you fat like that, when you fat like that and you run, and the shit hurts because it's like going up and down. So it's not, that's why fat people don't run. You can share the tissue. Yeah, you can hurt yourself. I got a question for you, because I've watched your shit for years, right? What was the moment you decided to go from like the BMX shit, the biking shit, to this? Like what made you do that? So around like 2014, 2015, I was starting to sense that running a BMX blog was really just not going to be the thing going forward because I knew that like blogs were becoming way less uh important whereas like when i started it in 2006 it was like everything like even in hip-hop blogs were everything for like a significant period of time and then also bmx itself was like declining in popularity you know i would be checking the search results for bmx on google trends and shit like that and realizing like oh this shit is like waning in popularity significantly and then meanwhile at the same time coincidentally i'm in downtown la and I'm going to these underground rap shows and I'm just loving the energy.

33:37And it was like completely different than the rap that the, the culture surrounding rap that I grew up around, you know, a lot of times you'd go to these shows and the audience is like way more white kids. Everybody's, you know, weird hipster type dudes and shit like that. But like, they're so passionate about this music. And so that's kind of how I managed to slip into it, which when I think about it, like when I started the BMX website in 2006, I should have started a hip hop blog at the same time. Cause I had plenty of shit to say about it, but I felt at that time that like, you don't really get to talk about hip-hop unless you've got some stripes you know right right you have to have like earned that position which sounds insane now because now you just start a youtube channel like what the all of our favorite rap youtubers did not have any kind of credentials going into it right they just want they just had shit to say and so i wish that i had gotten on it earlier but yeah that was kind of how i transitioned over and then like within the first year doing interviews i interview xxx and tassian's like one of the biggest interviews of all time and so that just kind of launched me onto this trajectory where all of a sudden like riding bikes which i had already kind of grew disillusioned with just didn't really feel like the thing to me anymore yeah okay yeah yeah that was dope that pivot is dope because every artist has that's relevant has had to pivot so many times i know i pivoted at least five or six times so that's always uncomfortable you know i mean because you got to look at you like what the am i doing wrong how do but yeah there's just so much to learn too because in the bmx world it was like simple i knew everything i knew every person i knew every pro and then all of a sudden i'm in the music business and people are talking to me about like you know publishing i'm like i gotta like go home and look up publishing you know like try to figure out what that is gotta make the digital pivot yeah um wait so okay let's let's get a little bit of the craig backstory and the lore tell us a little bit about your your upbringing and everything i want i want to get the gist because i kept trying I found a lot of podcasts that you were on, but most of them were like, you just talk about random shit.

35:29It wasn't talking about your lore. Oh, indeed. It's all good. So, yeah, man, I'm from Pasadena, California. Not too far from here. Yeah, all day long. You know, shout out to Dina. Dina Love. But, yeah, so me, man, I started off as just a rapper. And I graduated high school in 2000. I'm an old dude. I'm 44 and shit. So I was just trying to rap for years, a failed rapper and shit. Just putting out music and shit, going all the underground shit, trying to get my shit on dub CNN radio. Come on. Doing all the - I said dub CNN. Logger. And you were Craig Smith as a rapper or you had a rapper? No. So I've been a couple different things as a rapper.

36:05At first, I was format, right? When I was on my underground hip hop shit. Okay. And then I changed it to Chill Withers. You know what I mean? So Chill Withers is what it is now. That's probably what it will remain. Oh, so you're still open to rapping? Yeah. I put out albums. all the time. Oh, shit. You got to stop on Spotify. Whenever I put out a stand-up, I do stand-up and rap simultaneously. So if I do an album, I write a stand-up special to match the album. Oh, nice. Yeah, so yeah. So Chill Withers, and because I'm a big fan of Bill Withers, he was like a really, he was a lyricist, like a concert singer.

36:38Yeah. And we have a lot of parallels and shit like - Ain't no sunshine. Use me when you - Yeah, all that dope shit, right? Right. But he also was a guy that refused to quit his job. So he was a multi-platinum artist And he was still working at Boeing as an airplane mechanic because he was scared to put his financial future in the hands of somebody else. OK. So they had to convince him, beg him to quit his job. And my parallel is similar. You know, I own trucks and shit. You know, I worked in transportation for years and always kept a gig because I'm scared of entertainment being like just the only way I get bread because it's so up and down.

37:13So I related to that parallel and I start calling myself chill withers. When did you like decide? So you always kind of just kept regular jobs or business type shit going on? Yeah, I always keep a few hustles. I mean, I was, you know, I was raised in the crack era, the gangbang era. So I grew up around people selling crack and dope and shit like that. And I tried that shit when I was really young and that wasn't for me. But what I did take away from that is you always got to have multiple hustles. So I'm always somebody that has a few things going on. I'm never just on one thing. Was it Dina hella different back then?

37:45Yeah, it's changed because, you know, Dina, you know, where I'm from, the biggest blood gang in L.A. County, PDL. You know, I don't gangbang, but my entire family is that. We had injunctions and shit. Rico Axe put on, you know. That what Big Hit's from? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So Big Hit, yeah. I know, you know, his family and my family. What made you able to avoid the gang shit? This is got to be pretty tempting, right? Yeah, I mean, you know, I was a hooper. I played basketball as a kid. I was a blessed athlete, you know what I mean? and I never was a follower. And my dad, shout out to my pop, Smitty.

38:17He's a gangster, but he's above that Crippin' Blood era. He's like a late 60s, early 70s gangster. So all the dudes where I'm from respected him. And then with me having cousins and shit from there, I never really felt the peer pressure. You know what I mean? So I just always did my own thing. I've always been like a rogue guy. Okay. Yeah, so. That's what's up. And I think gangbanging is corny, I'm going to be honest. Really? What about it? Well, there's so many different layers. right um not the niggas that gang bang but the whole lifestyle is not what it was at first it was family and culture now it's just a bunch of mentally ill niggas trying to prove who's sicker because i've been thinking a lot about that because uh my daughter is five and a half and she you know she she's talked to crit mac on facetime she's talked to brick baby she's she knows who whack is and all this shit and she knows that they have phony nicknames and shit like that she knows that Kurt Mack has a big five on his face but she doesn't obviously know what a gang is and I've thought about how at some point I'm going to have to explain that to her and there's so many different ways that you could go with it because you could give her the kind of nice clean version and be like oh they're just all from different neighborhoods so like a different neighborhood has like a different name and that's just all the dudes from over there that's what they call themselves and then just not mention that like well so they also shoot the other guys over there they're murderers am i doing her a disservice by giving her the cleaned up version right there like because obviously like most parents would just warn their kid like this is terrible like stay away from it but i can't really like say that because i gotta explain why i'm hanging out with your co-workers i mean the cold part is if you don't show them even if she's not facetiming with crib max she's gonna see blue face on the internet regardless at a certain point and then the conversation is going to need to recur so they say craig is from pasadena denver lanes don't let him lie to you let me ask you let me ask you this adam with all the things that have happened over the last couple months and really like over the last couple years with all the gang stuff here are you at all starting to get gang banging fatigue like it's been like this is just a lot is it getting to that space for you i will say that like i'm getting well i think i was this before like in terms of just cautious about like who I put in the same room but after recent events in particular I'm really feeling that fatigue of like god damn I really like can't just put my ass together because you got some real killers up here dog I know he called me late night like no I need you to understand some of these niggas up here are really I ain't gonna say no names I understand the politics and your man's just coming over here calling out it's like having Carl Winslow come up here dog well we did we just had two of the killers leave um but but more importantly though like okay and have a gets a murder charge yeah we replace him with a guy who just did 10 years for murder right so i mean yeah as much as we might like kind of think that there's some value and like kind of getting away from the killers it's like it just seems like we can't can't i don't mean you're not a good person that like i don't want to take that yeah because i'm the Killers.

41:33Yeah. That's hilarious. I'm not putting no indictment on gang members because I understand the culture. And at some point in your life, right, if you grow up in certain environments, you literally have to do that to survive. Yeah. You get what I'm saying? So that like I got love for all gang members. But, you know, with COINTELPRO and all this FBI intelligence, there's no way you can be a street nigga and not expect to go to jail or have to murder somebody or not be told on. So why would I do that? Why would I choose something where I know there's no win in the end? Why would I continue to do that as a grown ass man?

42:09Oh, totally. Yeah. And that's why it's actually kind of like nice of the gang community that they have a pretty hard and fast rule, which is basically like you can't join a gang when you're older or you can, but you will be ridiculed for it. They expect it. They expect you to make the decision about what you're going to come from when you're a teenager. and if you do it when you're even like in your mid-20s when your frontal lobe is fully developed, they're going to hate on you for it, which is kind of telling. This is a decision that needs to be made when you're in your infancy as a man. Right, right.

42:42The only way I join a gang is if they have a nurse and life insurance, you know what I mean? Then I'm covered. If I get hurt or if I die, my family is good, you know what I mean? I think that's kind of crazy too. Like, you know how you say that, you get ridiculed if you make the decision. as an adult. If you get ridiculed if you make the decision as an adult that somebody can make that but it's almost like you're championed if you make it as a child. That almost comes off as a little predatory to me. Very predatory. I want to talk to an impressionable child and you'll get stripes and I'll appreciate you more if you make this decision as a child but if you do it as a grown man and somebody knows how to make a decision, nah, we ain't messing with you.

43:19You's a weenie. That's just kind of crazy to me. Even the fade thing. As I get older, I love fighting and shit but as I get older, just because you challenged me to a fade don't mean I got to fight you broke nigga. What you're going to fight a broke nigga for, man? Why would I fight anybody that's doing worse in life than me? It don't make no sense for you to challenge me to a fade. Nigga, do your taxes. Get your own apartment. You know what I mean? Do something solid. And then I'll think about fighting you. But for me to step off what I'm trying to accomplish and fight you is just weird old shit.

43:49Yeah, because at a certain point, even if you accomplish a lot with your life, if you are summoned for a dp the the whole idea is that you're gonna get the shit beat out of you by some dudes that realistically probably have almost nothing going on yeah the millionaire from the hood is not the one beating the you know it's some wild shit man hopefully it changes man right yeah i mean at the end of the day call it what you want but there's no denying like doughboy pointed out the predatory aspect it is like like we've never seen gang members roll up to high schools looking for like the next like generational like they literally been my bad middle school right you feel me middle school so okay i want to discuss this clip that has kind of been going viral and not in our world at all but basically like okay so this is an interview clip that i did with a rapper named dream life rizzy from the bay and this the caption is one of the most prolific criminals in all of san francisco tells adam 22 that crime in san francisco is over with because of flock cameras and drones he complains that he can't even do drive-bys anymore oh that's hilarious it's simple when the risk of getting caught is too high crime plummets so let's just watch the clip real quick that's the other way brother oh my mama i got drones and helices i'm gonna keep it soon as you slide past that with some stolen plates they're gonna issue a warning to every sfpd station in that area, if not the entire city, right?

45:17And they're going to start dispatching to that area. And when they catch you, they're going to catch you. And then they're going to put the drone on you. They're not going to follow you with no PD car from hella far. They don't got to do that. No unmarked vehicles. They're going to set a drone on you. Listen, they're going to set a drone on you that's about a few thousand feet up and it's just going to trail you the whole time. And then when you hit a corner or something, they're going to box your ass in. So you're saying that like with all that license plate technology, that the classic move of like stealing a car and then spinning on your ops and then ditching the car that that just is not what it used to be no you can't do that shit no more really yeah so basically this is being like weaponized if you will by the the tech billionaire community because this guy paul graham is i mean he has three million followers i forget his exact resume but i'm pretty sure he's like a vc or whatever he's like a huge deal in the the silicon valley tech world and he quotes it and says wow this is the way you want criminals to be talking about your anti-crime tech and basically like this is such a random clip from from at least over a year ago and it's pretty hilarious to see the tech community coming forward to say hey all of this mass surveillance technology that a lot of people think is bad look at how this criminal is saying that basically doing a drive-by is now defunct because of this technology like it's a total billboard for the products and the services that they are offering that this guy has no vested interest in right i don't know that but that would be pretty fucking come on i mean yeah i don't know this is the way you want them the fact that he complained that he can't do a drive-by anymore is hilarious i can't shoot out of a moving vehicle which by the way he didn't do this was the whole time he was just talking about riding around in stolen whips.

47:04And then Adam asked him about, oh, so you can't even jump in a stolo and do a skid anymore? And he's like, yeah. Oh my God, look at this. Yes, Paul Graham is an investor in Flock Safety, the manufacturer of the automated license plate readers and AI-powered surveillance cameras used by law enforcement and communities. I mean, hey, you can't hate on him for bigging up his investment, but that's pretty hilarious that he co-owns this. Yeah, exactly. Flock Safety. He stole the sling. Yes, right? That is so fire. I need a flock safety shirt. That's all. It's merch. And the fact that the person who posted this called him one of the most prolific criminals in all of San Francisco.

47:41I don't know if Dream Life Rizzy has necessarily risen to that. Prolific. Well, yeah, that's ambitious in a city that was literally based on criminality built on the gold rush. All day long. Making a lot of presumptive Chinese slavery. Yeah. They got a pretty dark history. But niggas will figure out a way, Adam. Yeah. Yeah. Dingers that have robots committing crimes, that have robot gangs, robot problems. We're going to figure out a way to hustle. Nothing's going to stop us. I've never had a clip of mine of a rapper talking about crime be used in such a way. I'm really kind of flabbergasted by the fact that this is, yeah, he was one of the original investors in Y Combinator.

48:18That dude is a big deal. Him using this clip to basically say that his product is awesome is so funny to me. Wow. I don't know. You gotta do a deal with him, man. Yeah, I gotta tap in with him. I got way more criminals that I can... He seems like he's in the Elon Musk archetype of just straight Batman villain. He's not like a regular... I mean, is he evil? I don't know. It seems like there's some nefarious activities going on. He's justifying mass surveillance in favor of people being safer, which I don't really think that's inherently evil. That's how they do it, though. That's how propaganda works.

48:55It's always a catastrophic event. to make you change how you hear but that's the reality is that mass surveillance will make us safer like it or not it's just like i don't know how you could deny that right like okay because i was i was suggesting this to my girl the other day is like if there's cameras everywhere and let's say like 10 years from now there's way more cameras is it like immoral or unethical for those cameras to be able to just basically like identify bad behavior as a driver and then you just get tickets in the mail or you get your license taken away because like we're all used to the idea that like if you're breaking the law you have to get caught or otherwise like you know you have basically like you can break the law you just have to be smart about getting away with it is there a future i think there probably is a future in which like every bad thing that you do will be assessed like at least in public outside of your home yeah that's great it sucks for people from our world where it's like yeah i can do coke right on the side of the street i just have to Make sure there's no cops looking.

49:55We've always gotten by on that, right? I think it could be a double-edged sword, though, because even though it might stop a lot of the crime and stuff, then it also makes us give up a lot of our privacy. And this government, you know how they can be. They can try to invade on your privacy for as much as they want for their own personal gain. So it might not just be a crime-stopping thing. It could be you're losing your privacy. They know a lot about you, and they could f*** you in the end anyway. Here's the problem. I'm reading this book called 50 Philosophical Classics, and there's a chapter with a guy who his whole philosophy is on simulation and he talks about the hyper real versus the real right what's real is this conversation we're having in the room the cameras on us and them observing us having this conversation at home that's the hyper real but in the hyper real or the hyper reality there's so many different nuances that they're missing out on in this conversation that they could base their entire lives on something that we say in the real through the hyper real but have a completely misguided misconception of what the we're talking about because they don't understand all the nuances happening in the room they don't understand adam for real they just know what they see on camera so that's that could be a mistake if we're dealing if we're if we're allowing these to just do these security cameras and that's all hyper real there could be a lot of people who who are putting up situations because maybe the camera's not reading it right they may think this water gun is a real gun they may think this cap gun is a real gun they may think these dudes play fighting are really you get what i'm saying but as the technology evolves eventually like all that stuff will probably get worked out like what does that entail though like because because i could literally walk by you and you could let's say the camera doesn't catch it but you can just get real close to me and just stab me right and i'm literally leaking blood right and then i attack you afterwards and i'm the one that gets in trouble like hypothetically because the cameras cameras sees all camera determines all he ain't stabbing there's no evidence of him stabbing him on camera like have you heard about i know that's like a absurd like the future of crime is a gunshot goes off and a drone is immediately deployed without any kind of human intervention to where the gunshot went off and then the drone identifies the person running away from the scene or the car that shot that is taking off or whatever and it just tracks that and then at some point like let's just like isolate this discussion down to this one thing this one shooting idea and then the drone following you what if it gets to the point where no sane person would ever shoot somebody because it is so assumed that the drone is going to be effectively able to track you i feel like that is that would be a good thing that is a likely scenario going forward and that like it already feels like you know if you compare today to the 70s that you really like getting into crime or like being a shooter is just like an absurd idea yeah yeah just because like if you wanted to be like when you watch documentaries about serial killer in the 70s you're you're like it was this easy like yeah i could have done this times 100

53:02yeah and now it's like you know like you you want to shoot somebody like you know there's been like when the homeless guy was sleeping outside of my house and i was thinking about doing something to him it's like there's cameras everywhere in my neighborhood like i would never have been able to consider really doing anything that crazy like the the logical snafu with like what you described of basically like uh patriot missiles using precognition like at a certain point is going to be like it's going to preemptively attack us because it thinks we're going to attack but it's not going to attack it's just going to track you yeah but then a certain but where does that end essentially i don't think they're ever going to let the drones just kill people because we think that they might have shot somebody but here's the thing though why would that ever be okay they just recently passed some autonomous uh driving and technology initiatives recently where you know like in trucking all the trucking all the trucks are going to be self-driving trucks that's gonna that's gonna go over to the drone thing you know because right now they have to pay people to control the drones but they don't want to do that they're gonna upload software where they just do what they want to do.

54:11So automation is a good and a bad thing because once you take shit out, human error is beautiful. The fact that you can commit a crime now and a cop might catch you or might not catch you is a beautiful thing. Like, I don't know if we want to get rid of that room for error because that kind of makes us who we are. We don't because we all engage at least in some criminality. Or actually, when you really think about it, like poor people live much of their lives outside on the street. Rich people don't. poverty is criminalized everybody does drugs but poor people sometimes have to do drugs on the street and rich people get to do it in their home where there is no surveillance right right yeah and they oftentimes do way more deviant things and get away with it exactly so for for better or for worse yeah yeah man it'll be cool for a while you know what i'm saying until you walk in on your girl fucking a robot you're like hold on man technology fuck technology why is this tesla robot my girl you know what i mean but really what's the difference between the robot in a dildo the robot is just a way better dildo yeah yeah do i get to fuck a female robot sure do you think female pussy i mean robot pussy would be as good no but maybe in i'm willing to try but probably okay like think about like the amount of technology that we're dealing with like it's crazy scary look at trans women in the 90s compared to now yeah like in 30 years they don't have two pussies yeah 20 years ago i wanted nothing to do with them nowadays i'm all of them right right not a care in the world no but okay have you guys done the the virtual reality shit no i haven't i i really have to do it just so i could talk about it on here but like i uh i had a friend who was at it was in his house and he didn't realize that like one of his friends was like in the house walking around like that they were awake he thought they were asleep or whatever so he didn't even like close his door or lock his door or anything and he puts on the vr headset and he's you know hooking up with the woman in the vr headset and his friend walks into the room and just sees him with the vr headset going eating pussy in the metaverse and his homie walks in on him and i'm like holy that sounds like the most embarrassing thing i can ever think of but this guy swears by it's like it's so much better than just jerking off oh wow i gotta try it out that would have been but all i got now is different gloves and different textured gloves to jerk off but if i get the vr shit might be yeah because what is it about a pussy that feels so good to it like you know at some point there will be moisturizing technology there'll be warmth technology there'll be so many different things that like obviously part of the appeal of having sex with a human vagina is the fact that this woman consented to it but at some point they're gonna be able to like i remember the first time i grabbed a boob on a sex doll yeah it felt exactly did you suck it i didn't suck it because i was at a porn convention and probably a lot of other people have been talking but it felt so real that i felt like i immediately kind of saw the future yeah like yeah like at some point that's going to be, it might not ever be good enough for me, but it'll definitely be good enough for a lot of people.

57:24I used to have a fleshlight blacker today. That was fire. I smashed it several times. The fleshlight's like a flashlight but you take it off. We got another one right here for you.

57:35I'm surprised there hasn't been a pimp that that's what he does on the holster. He rents out sex toys. Great. Entrepreneurial. Open up a little hotel down by Fig. Right. And I've no women, please do not try to bring a prostitute here, but I have a whole selection of sex toys that you can use for. If you're paying$15 an hour, it's like you better watch it. If this is all about coming, that's why I don't understand why dudes go to prison and start raping other men. It's like, I feel like that's because they were raped. That's the fly and just jerk off. Just make a, make a cool technological experiment, you know, like just come up with something like anything besides just a dude's butt.

58:18Do you see the intricacy of the fifis they create? Like they go in. I haven't gotten it. Well, I had a sex toy idea. It's called the jog. It's a jack-off glove. Okay. Yeah. Instead of arguing with your girl, just have a jog. Have a jog. I ain't put it out yet, Adam, but if you want to help me. Right now, it's a pack of socks. It's a jog. I want it to look. Is that something like that? I think I had one when I was a kid. Remember this? Oh, wow. You used to beat off with the Nintendo head? That's some power glove, dude. I couldn't afford that. When I was a kid, I wanted it bad. I didn't even know that shit existed.

58:58I don't even know what I would have done. By the way, it did absolutely nothing. It's one of the most useless. Oh, you had one? I mean, I played with one. You couldn't punch in the game? It was supposed to work with Mike Tyson's punch out, I think. But if you notice, it actually has a controller on it, which is an Everly Watch. I mean, I think the first home console video game I ever played in my entire life was Duck Hunt, which if you really think about that technology of being able to point the gun at the screen and have it actually register. Top tier. Kind of impressive. And the pad. You're getting a beat from the computer, Nathan.

59:28Remember the running pad? Yeah, yeah. The power pad. Yeah, yeah. The only way to play 3D World Runner. Oh, my God. Is that the one where you can do the track and field? Yeah, yeah. Where you can run on it and jump and sit? There's track and field as well. It was weird they were able to invent that so early on. You know, they say all technology is military first, and it comes out like 20 or 30 years before in the military. Is that military and then? military well like no but for real like they'll use technology to basically kill people right and then at some point they'll use technology to distribute and then it'll like trickle down to everything else that makes sense from a cia perspective because you want to see what the people are up to everybody's going to watch people well really just like that's the front like the internet like when the internet came out people were like putting on the internet pretty much like immediately like a lot of people that was their first use case for it right and although So none of us, even like gatekeeping, it is good to monitor people that are doing extra nefarious weird shit.

1:00:26Right. I mean, the weirder the search, the more likely this is somebody we need to pay attention to. Yeah. Look into this. That makes real sense. I'm going to research that. There's definitely like an overlap on the Venn diagram there for sure. I mean, like the dark web probably wouldn't exist if it wasn't for people trying to look at illegal, illicit shit on the internet. You know, like that technology exists because there's people that want to look at things that are so illegal that it would be really, really, really hard for somebody to like maintain a website with that kind of content. I was like the dark web was for Africans.

1:01:03I didn't. You give your black ass on that other computer. Rubbing his forearm. Funny you should say that.

1:01:15Hey, I wanted to get your opinion on this, Craig. This is something that came up here on the podcast a couple weeks ago. But I know your stance on blackness and everything. So I want to see what your take on this is. All right. So I got a fight coming up on August 29th because Spodeyface called me a jiggaboo. Jiggaboo. Are you still talking about this like present tense? Oh, no. We're fighting. Oh, okay. It's happening. So he might have to beat up two people in the same night. Yeah, yeah. He might have to. Oh, okay. So we got into it. We got into it because he called me Uncle Tom in the J-word because I said that I didn't have a problem with white comedians dressing up in blackface.

1:01:50Because us as black comedians do it and under the comedy license of being creative that shouldn't be a problem. What say you on the matter? Okay I got love for you. He was correct. You wouldn't have called me the J word too? I wouldn't have called you a jiggle bull because I understand you're trying to you know you're trying to be fair. Right. But unfortunately there is no fairness in this country when it comes to black and white. You know what I'm saying? Now at our level there's some fairness, you work hard, you can get shit done, but there are some institutional racist things that happen that where certain things shouldn't be viewed as equal.

1:02:26And with the whole history of blackface, the history of blackface, I don't know if you know, but there was a time where we were slaves. I know that. There was a time when white comedians from New York would go to the South, because they had comedians that were slaves, and they would go to the South and watch these comedians do shows for their communities, and they would steal their acts and go back to Broadway and put blackface on and do the exact same comedy acts they seen these slaves do in the South. They would go back to New York, and they would do it on Broadway, and they would steal their joke, steal their whole act.

1:03:03Swagger jacket. And they would put on blackface so they could be more convincing to the white audience that this is what these N-words do, niggas do down here and down south. But is there any expiration date on when we're just going to be like, okay, that was offensive then. That was terrible back then. It really probably hurt a lot of people. Is there at any point that we could just let this shit go? I ain't never letting this shit go. But what do you say about this then? What do you say about the white people who say that when black people dress up in white face and make fun of white people, that's racist to them too?

1:03:30We just feel like we can't tell you that that's racist? Black people, non-whites can't be racist in this country because we don't control the power dynamic. Right. See, racism is about it's the ability to institutionally control your opportunities in life. We don't have that power. Racism goes one way. It's a lifestyle dictation where the superior financially and resource wise is able to dictate to the lesser financially, not lesser in humanity, but lesser in resources, connections with the you should be doing. How much minimum wage is, how much you're going to pay for a pair of jeans. What's going to put you in jail if you get into it with your bitch?

1:04:10How much time you going to do if you go to jail? They have studies where they show white guys convicted of the same exact crimes as blacks and Hispanics And they get three or four years for a crime and the Mexican or black dude gets 15 years So this is what racism is This is why, you know, me as a, you know, as a black man in this country I don't give a f*** about the equality conversation when it comes to Well, white people should be able to do it because black people, no f*** that nigga you got a head start on a whole lot of shit you know i'm saying so you're gonna have to give me that one that we you're gonna have to give me that one that's just what it's gonna be and we're gonna have to be able to do it and they can't the thing is the sensitivity part of it as men of any race if i can do it and you do it i can't get sensitive about it i can't call the fade with you because you're a white dude in blackface i don't with this shit and i'm not cool with it get that shit away from me but I'm not gonna do nothing physically to you I'm not gonna think ill of your family I'm gonna just keep away from you you just you just won't like it but you ain't gonna like it now if it gets physical where somebody you know burn across in my yard or some shit well it could be considered an active aggression just because of like the pain that comes with that and all that so just you being a level-headed person you might not respond like that but someone else might see that same thing somebody might whoop you I'm for all forms of equality.

1:05:27I grew up in an era where we just assumed white boys couldn't fight growing up. Have you lost a fight to a white boy in the 90s? We're both proof that's not true. Right, but what I'm saying is we know that's not true. We know that's not true, but we just assume that. That's something that can get you killed. You'd be a black dude from Compton and you moved to somewhere in the Bay or somewhere in Modesto where it's these crazy ass white boys and you think you could just run up on them and you could get your ass beat to death. Not by the corn fed. Yeah. These are regular white boys that don't play no games.

1:05:57But see, in our culture, we got this misconception that all the people that don't play gotta be gangsters. Now, like, these gang-banging niggas, they got cousins like me that whoop on them. They got regular family that go to work that ain't with the bullshit that say, nigga, you can't borrow no more money. Get the f*** out of here. And then they go out and rob you. But when we're talking about what's offensive, it's like, yes, a white guy painting his face black and a black guy painting his face white are, like, literally equal the difference is is that a huge percentage of americans are offended as black people when they see a white person paint their face black and meanwhile what percentage of white people were offended by a druski painting his face i don't think almost anyone was offended they did find it hypocritical which okay that's a fair opinion but i don't think like you know let's be real like there's a reason why the n-word is the most loaded powerful word in the english language and then meanwhile i can say cracker on this podcast and not worry about getting demonetized i can say cracker in front of you know you guys can say cracker aggressively to a bunch of white people and nobody's going to take offense to it because like these things literally are just nothing without the greater societal context of who's offended by them i do in some way think that like at some point the world will get to a point where a white person will one day just like do blackface in some sort of comedic thing and like somehow it'll be accepted more than we could ever expect right now.

1:07:24I don't pull it off. Yeah, but like I was talking about this with Michael Blackson the other day and neither of us could think of a person. He suggested Will Ferrell. I'm like, Will Ferrell is not. He would never he's not ready to commit suicide like that, brother. It's going to be Morgan Freeman. White comedians try to do this shit all the time. They do. Like you get these Rocky Balboa white comedians, tough. Hey, I don't give a I'll say it. And they try to do it all the time. But what makes it stupid is the context is never right. The white dudes that want to do this are never the white dudes that fuck with black people for real.

1:07:58It's always the white dude that was raised somewhere where the town is 99.9 % white. They've never really had any genuine experiences with anybody that wasn't white. And it's all based in ignorance. So in the hood, we make exceptions for the white boys that grew up with us, that gang bang, that do what we do. You know what I mean? They get away with a lot of shit. You know what I mean? Or even just rapping, tagging. Yeah. It's really a cultural thing. I think that's why so many people from my culture have a problem with the whole no jumper thing. It's just a culture thing. Like they're not used to seeing.

1:08:31Like when I watched that video, it was mostly white guys in the room and it was getting on Doughboy. By the way, I think he thinks me and Josh are the same person. I don't know who it was. Many people do. But what I'm saying is, this is where the hyper-reality part comes in, and I said earlier, because I'm on the other side looking. So I have no real understanding of what happens in here. So I'm just seeing a dude that ain't black and a bunch of other dudes that ain't black talking crazy to a nigga. Come on, black guy, be funny. You get what I'm saying? Why is this? You get what I'm saying? So it looks like, hold on, what the nigga?

1:09:03Let's go burn across an atom jar. Nigga, fuck Adam. And it happens to be your homie. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And so it's like, you know, that's the part. That's why this shit is dangerous. Podcasting is dangerous. You know, everybody shouldn't have a mic because they don't understand. Like, somebody's taking this shit super literal. Or also, inversely, everybody shouldn't have ears. Right. Because at one point, is it on the interpreted? It's not just how people choose to interpret it. It's kind of on them to a certain degree. You can't fully blame us just because your take, like you said, like a fragmented view of a out of context moment and then they're going to frame it however they choose to indeed and you in that book i was telling you about they talk about the the whole reason disneyland exists right and this is his one of his philosophies is the whole reason disneyland is a thing just walt disney didn't like right well they wanted to be able to have something to point to other than the reality they want us to believe that would be fantasy so so anytime you didn't believe what they were saying they could point to this like no that's fantasy this is real you get what i'm saying and yeah that makes a lot of sense and this kind of this goes back to the whole surveillance conversation at a certain point especially with the popularization of ai and all that it's so difficult to distinguish what's real and what's not even when it's shown right to us right and that's exactly what they want it's like it's confusion mass confusion pimps have a strategy when they're trying to turn out a girl, right?

1:10:36There's like 39 rules to pimple, but one of the things they say is you got to keep a bitch on a can't-do mission. What's that, man? So that means you keep her on the hamster wheel. You give her something that she could never complete, that she has to chase, so she never has time to think about what you're doing. Because as soon as she is off that chase of what you want her to do, she's going to focus on you and try to destroy you. That's us as citizens. The government has built everything, So we're on the chase. Right. Yeah. I just read this extremely long New Yorker article about Andrew Tate and his whole like mission that he was doing, dude.

1:11:11And, you know, he was actually very influenced by a lot of the sort of classic pimps like Pimpin Ken had a book that he basically would make all the dudes who are like his acolytes, a hustler university, I think it was called or whatever. He would make them all read this book by Pimpin Ken that basically explained to you how you break a woman down and bring her to the point where she's not going to stand up for herself or whatever and it's super disgusting like the more I learn about pimping the more I hate that culture I'm not going to lie like when we would see homies with like the iceberg slim or like the pimp we would like make fun of them we'd be like what the f*** are you doing bro because you had already consumed them and already knew these lessons no because it was like you can learn a lot from the pimps when I look at your last relationship she was the pimp she was the pimp I've been on both sides of the game a lot of dudes are getting pimped by women and don't even realize it facts yeah man they just looked at me no i didn't realize i think i think you're the highest form of man when you're okay with somebody else your girl yes thank you me and diddy yeah wait that don't mean that i would do it craig please explain that how does that the highest because because you have no uh how can i put this so like in india they have these yogis and shit right and the highest form of these yogis are these thinkers are the dudes that are bums that sleep on the street they have no ties to anything no woman no finance everyone's just you know what i mean so the reason that's the highest form of man is because you're not you're not controlled by your desires to control people you're just letting shit happen how it happens and if you were in that state nobody could ever get to you you know i'm saying so allowing people to your bitches one step towards nirvana you are genuinely unbothered about the thing that like almost every dude would be like extremely upset slash terrified by it does say something about you the same way that the guy who's happy you know eating barely anything and like sleeping on the street or whatever when you think about like a monk i understand how that is you know a thing like for me it's purely capital capitalistic it's purely like oh this is like profitable maybe we should do this for a few years but i mean i couldn't understand i mean that that is the weird thing about it is i know couples like we are like that for content i know couples that are like that all the time meaning the dude could be spending his thursday night just a couple of random girls out on the town or whatever and his wife is totally cool with it thinks it's hot she's getting digged down by a variety of different guys throughout the day and they're they're a unit and they genuinely are either excited by it or are just like fine with it and i don't understand really cracker wanna poly yeah i just don't that that to me is like a lot you know yeah that's hard for me to imagine having that kind of communication when you think about it and you break it down not saying that I'd be okay with somebody you know smashing my wife I don't know but you when you think about though it really is hit a hypocritical by men because most men hypocritical by most men because most men would be like I'd never let another man my woman that I'm a man but those same dudes probably cheat on their chick right like you know I'm saying so you'll go out and be able to bang your chicks behind somebody's back and be dishonest about it but then you'll be mad if your chick is honest and tells you I agree with the honesty aspect of it but there is like physiological differences between men and women cheating right like clearly based on women get pregnant well you're just based on our anatomy right like well i'm just saying just based on the fact of saying i would not be okay if other men slept with my woman but i would be okay sleeping with other women that's just stupid to me what if it's forcible forcibly well that's like what if you make your girl lay in the bed with you while you cheat on her stop crying stick back what if you do it in a really nice way you get her a whole little setup you got a little recliner there's like a little foot massager you make her a long island i see a little bowl of bonbons and pretzels she's at gunpoint yeah you do it in like a really really nice way because i think everybody's like used to thinking about this on some diddy shit where it's like some weird abusive shit yeah there's got to be a way right yeah some women I like abuse.

1:15:34I know that's stupid to say, but domestic violence is not always abuse because some bitches like to fight. Have you ever dealt with a woman that was very physical? Never. I have no clue what you're talking about. Well, I have. It's very uncomfortable. Where that's just like their language? That's just how they get down? Something dramatic has to happen in order for them to feel some shit. No, 100%. With her, I think and that's not the only one I think I would say I probably the vast majority of like Latino women that I've been with got squabbles for sure my last definitely was like the most prolific she could give Tyson a run for her money on angry day can't normalize that we need to take the sexy Latinas who are abusing their men and we need to deport them or at the very least imprison in them for sure it's kind of like a hot element to it to tell you okay that's what i'm saying that's why she's your pimp is because you liked her beating you until it got so extreme that you couldn't come into work for a week no i like i definitely like the feistiness and the spiciness i think you just like knowing that she likes you the passion well yeah there's probably an element of that as well like because that's a the quickest way to know a bitch don't put you no more is when she don't care when she's not tripping on but is that care or is that grooming no i mean she's They're trying to turn you into a bitch.

1:16:58It's definitely predatory. Yeah. I was once in a relationship where a chick put her hands on me a couple times. But in my mind, I thought like I was okay with it because it was only in times where I got caught around. So I was just like, well, if I wouldn't have been out here on bullshit, I probably wouldn't have got. Do you know what I mean? Most women are horrible people, dog. Most women are horrible fighters, which is why we let them get away with it. Not her. It's because if my girl punched me in the face as hard as she wants, realistically, it's probably not even gonna leave a mark unless she like really connects with the eye socket or something you know like i spit on you see well but i could spit on her it's not gonna like damage her you know it's really just all about just disrespecting them when you spit right right right right not that i would ever take part in that it's not bad her breath is that could be not to be honest i think though like you kind of hit the nail on the head earlier like a lot of people like that's their love language because that's how they were raised they don't they weren't taught communication methods and things like that so physical physical tats and that and that's like an expression of love in their eyes so for me i think i have like me having that understanding i was probably more tolerant than i should have been in certain instances definitely yeah i really like suggested that you had no self-respect at a certain point like how does he just keep letting this happen and and then he's coming on the podcast and he's lying and telling stories about oh these mexicans were fighting in the park and i tried to break it up and one of them slugged me and shit and it's like we all are sitting there like uh-huh yeah okay it wasn't the girl who's been beating the fuck out of you for the last couple months okay no once once i'm like making up excuses like battered housewives like oh like i was trying to clean up the dog shit and the pooper scooper fell out the sky and gave me a black eye i fell down a flight of stairs yeah yeah literally like i fell up a flight of stairs that's why i have a black eye wait that doesn't i've been in that situation so i can relate it's very embarrassing you don't want to tell people yeah yeah well also like you have a protective instinct too right beyond that it's like yo like like it's damn near it's like you don't want to snitch on your crimey right but i don't really see how i could be in a relationship with a woman who was really doing damage on me because before I get my ass beat by her I'm gonna beat her ass right like I was just like if if if I was in a relationship with a woman and she punched me as hard as she could in the face I can't help but think that like my animal instincts would just make me punch her pretty hard as like in the face as well like I feel like and then boom the cops get called and I'm gonna add this caveat to it though what if you got caught she so what if she catches you in the act of cheating.

1:19:39I don't care. And then that's why she hit you. I kind of earned this. Yeah. She wouldn't have hit me if I would have been fucking to me. For sure, yeah. She was getting mad over legit things. Right. I was going to say, like, 90 % of the time I was on bullshit. Right. It was... You weren't cheating, though. No, it was a bit of a crass reaction or a harsh reaction. She got super mad at the 20 V1. That didn't even happen just because you promoted it? Of content, she got mad. You already broke it. Oh, oh, oh. Oh, right, right, right. Okay, yeah, there is a... We did a 20 versus one with an extremely famous star adriana chet chick and he was on it and i don't know if some people know this but sometimes 20 versus ones can be rehearsed and faked and you know lush comes in and she's kind of hamming it up a little bit acting attracted to it but really if we were to go watch your performance on that it's it's nothing bro i went on there the first thing i said is like yo i might have stds i smoke cigarettes and i'm an alcoholic like i literally was trying to get eliminated and then adam thought it was funny so he's like no like make him like rap have a freestyle about you so she attacked you over that yeah no like literally bro i came home and the door was like the extra lock was on the door so like just like to track you know like predatory tracking surveying my movements and then as soon as i opened that door outside my head.

1:20:58You feel me? And you didn't fight back. Did you ever fight back? Casamigos upside the cranium. Bro, house of the homies. Thank you. No, did I? When you were talking about did that instinct kick in? That instinct is like survival instinct. Stop hurting me. Once the threat is subdued, I wasn't trying to get my get back. On a 5 '2 Guatemala. If the threat is actually genuinely subdued but also like a lot of times the best way to make sure that you don't incur more damage would be to show them like hey i'm gonna hit you back yeah the cold part is like she's been in other relationships that were abusive and i wasn't gonna that's the problem is all these mexicans are letting her do that i wasn't i wasn't trying to um perpetuate those patterns and did you think about going and beating her after whack exposed that she was his friend his friend why would like why would i give a about what first of all wasn't true and why would i give a about what my bitch does after we're not together no more how do we know everybody gives a we all care not really like sometimes you're like happy about it you're like take her off my hands i'll be going crazy i wouldn't even given that any reaction the reason why i did was more like whoa i kind of i feel like what brick baby was going through people are gonna go to do whatever they can to try to attach themselves to this motion because i got a name so whatever you got to do you feel me so i'm more like damn and i'm more looking at my bitch like oh you stupid as you feel me like to even allow this to happen allow this conversation to exist because now somebody else is entering the chat that would have no business being there do i give a about someone on her no i hope she's happy i wish her the most orgasms we're not together anymore i'm doing me she could do her i had an ex-girlfriend that i dated for two years when i was younger when i was like 22 or whatever and uh she would like try to upset me by hitting me up periodically because i like dumped her in a pretty dramatic way like really hurt her feelings and like her up by leaving her and she would hit me up anytime she did some whore shit and just tell me like the first time that she let a guy her in the ass she just like straight up text me tells me all about it just to make me mad and like even like i remember after we've been broken up for like a month or two she told me like so i've had sex with 23 guys since we broke up and she wasn't lying i knew some of them some of them were guys i was like hanging out with at the bar and shit it was pretty awkward for me and she wasn't lying no it did it made me super mad like but i but also like i wanted to be free of her that i like she was telling me this stuff and then in the same breath would basically be like so if you're so mad about it why don't you come over and me right now but i was so determined to get out of the relationship that even though i i'm like i have a thing where the bigger a horse she is the more turned on i am by it so when she's trying to upset me by telling me that she's 23 years in two months i'm literally like reading the text message with a throbbing owner oh my god yeah Is that weird?

1:24:10She had big tits with a tight ass. Either you're weird or I'm weird because my last relationship, the last serious one we broke up like a year ago, year and a half ago, whatever. I would envision because I had heard, because she was from Sacramento, I had heard that she was fucking with somebody that I knew. And the thought of that shit was driving me just because I would not want to, but I would just envision her fucking this dude. And I'd be like, I would be losing my shit. Would you see his ass in the vision? No. okay if if i let's say she let's say she left me and she tells me some shit like that or even if i just like knew about her a guy or two i would have been hurt i would have been sad i would have been upset but because i wanted to be free of the relationship so bad i was actually kind of hyped because i'm like listen if you 23 guys since we were together to me that really tells me that like you're putting a lot of space between this like i'm i'm free like i had to do a lot to get over this yeah so we had different mind states no but but don't wait there's there's i have ex bitches i wouldn't give a if they're getting blow banged right now like literally i don't give a what and then there's others i still like have a degree of affection for but i still really wouldn't i feel like once you're out of that sequence and there's no reason to really give a yet my my ex still is hopping in instagram comments of random bitches she thinks want to me and threatening them so for someone that's over shit like i don't even know clearly she's at a level of derangement that nobody else can compare to she should be imprisoned and or deported do you feel like do you feel like it's really do you feel like it's really over now so i mean i do i feel like it's over now like we're not over we're not together but like that's the thing that's been my friend for a long ass time like right through multiple relationships and shit just like she's gonna like always be in my life in some capacity like would you would you let public perception at all sway if you got like would you ever let that stop you like man my folks gonna look at me like i'm a weenie if i get back if i if i gave a about that i wouldn't have gone with her to begin with gotcha you feel me because she had out there and stuff just like both of us have a lot of baggage she banged like be real probably or like both of us have baggage you feel me like just as long as it wasn't DJ Muggs.

1:26:25I almost said that and I'm like, DJ Muggs is not like recognizable. So in my mind, I pivoted to be real. Imagine the cypher my Eskimo brothers would have. You know what's crazy about that? You probably don't feel it this way, but this is probably, she's trying to destroy you. But people don't look at it like that. She's literally hitting up me and Josh and telling us, like telling us that you're smoking fentanyl. tight she sent us videos of her going around the house and showing us like a bunch of like used up drug paraphernalia like that's what she was doing she told me you say it wasn't me she told me you guys used to go fishing at macarthur park yeah exactly yeah yeah deep sea diving deep sea diving with like the icicles carved a little circle not germ actually is a great person i just oh my god no she is that's her name germ yes and yes she has them free no but i think that i just uh did not bring out the the best in her and it was just a combustible relationship you need to put it on a woman who will not beat you i definitely think that um the love language that i respond to is a little bit less violent that would be good you I think that's like more conducive to my growth.

1:27:48But I also understand that like I'm very aggravating. So, you know, it is what it is. But I don't want to like perpetuate this negativity. You say you understand that you're very aggravating? Yeah. Oh, man. Because she's convinced him. She told you that? My bad. I mean, for sure. She's convinced him he doesn't deserve any better than her. Do you remember the field technique? Huh? The field technique. What's that? So it's psychological torture. A lot of bitches use it, especially like pretty bitches. so it's an acronym p-h-i-l the p is for uh what the f is the p stands for the p is for god damn it i just had it i went blank look it up nah not punitive it'll come back to me in a second but it's basically how bad bitches get dudes and shit like they use this technique to hook you you know i mean so now it's called instagram yeah so so they did this they just basically use guilt i can't think of what the acronym phil is for the p is for god damn it um i'll come back to it later essentially they manipulate yeah but basically they attach they attach hooks to the things that you do so like um they'll use your word against you right so uh like if you say hey baby we're gonna go to disneyland later on um i'll pick you up at five and then something happens at no jumper you don't get there till 6 30 instead of just understanding in a situation, she'll just ride you.

1:29:13Well, you said you would be here by six, and if you loved me, you would be here by six. I mean, by five. You get what I'm saying? So it's just a hook that they use to get you, and a lot of times, chicks deal with guys that they're smarter than, and they use this technique, but I had a brain fart and can't remember all the words in the acronym. Well, she's definitely significantly smarter than me, but the bar's set pretty low there, so. What the f*** are you talking about? You're like, you've said yourself that you're the smartest person in the jumper. You have clearly, like. Again, the bar's set pretty As much as you are a r***er in many ways, you are like something akin to a genius in some ways as well.

1:29:47You're like Rain Man. Like the guy from Wu-Tang. You got it. You got it? Oh, he found it. He found his acronym. So the P is for protector. So they'll put themselves in a lot of situations where you have to protect her. Like, it'll be some shit like, yeah, I'm having a lot of trouble with my boss at work. He's always f***ing asking me to do things. I don't know how the f*** I'm going to do it. You know, I think he likes me. I think he's like, he's almost harassing me. They're always in these situations where when they tell you about them, it's prompting you to want to protect her. And it's it's it's a little bit familiar.

1:30:19So the H is for hero. So once they get you on the hook for trying to protect them, then they say things to prompt you to want to step in and be the hero. You know, I mean, my my boss is giving me less hours because I won't come. I don't know how the I'm gonna pay my rent. You know what I mean? So now she's low key prompting you to want to step in. It's a cape on. Right, right. The I is for integrity. So the integrity part is, well, you know, they'll start using your word against you. Like I said earlier, when you said you love me, if you love me, you would do this. You don't really love me. You don't really care about me.

1:30:52If you did, you would do what you said you would do. And the L is for love. And they lock it in with the love. But it's called the field technique. A lot of bad bitches. And I've dealt with a lot of bad bitches. They all use this shit. Guess what? The ugly ones are doing it to you. Yeah, the ugly ones too. The fat ones too. Yeah, I would know. The tortures have since adopted this behavior. Because they're the weakest sex, right? The weaker sex physically, not mentally. They're smarter than us. But imagine being the weakest nigga in your crew. Imagine being a scrawny dude and all your crew is big ass, 6 '5", 300-pound monsters.

1:31:23How are you going to get these niggas to do what you want them to do? Statistically, I don't think they're smarter than us. You don't? In what way, though? When you look at almost any field that requires immense knowledge and education, that men typically rule those fields. and i can see that you know i have no perspective restricted from a lot of education for like hella centuries and stuff not in any of our lifetimes so do you think that men women women men are better at getting their way from the opposite sex than women because i feel like they get their way with us they get their way with us more than we get our way with them in general I don't know if I would agree with that I feel like if anything that men seem like they're way better at manipulation and coercion which are kind of like key components of getting your way and like you know I know it's like a sample size is anecdotal but I'm always watching those jubilee debates uh where they'll do the 20 versus one basically where they have like one person surrounded by people and I don't know if it's just like smart women want to do other things with their time but i'm always kind of astounded by the fact that the women are always like noticeably like 20 iq points lower than the dudes right right like it's it really stands out to me a lot and it really like makes me but i also okay i feel like jubilee debates can't be the barometer okay but when it comes to debating when it comes to like this sort of like fierce conversational like debating once it gets to like a really extreme degree is basically like a sport and when it comes to like you know uh a strategy games or whatever like i play poker poker is like every almost every great poker player is a dude you know 95 of the people who play the game in the first place are dudes but then when you really look at the upper echelon it's probably even more it's probably like 99 except for that one girl that cheated with the thing in her butthole or whatever she that is so not even close to what happened but also uh she sucks in general and she's the home girl but she's doesn't know what the hell she's doing but like chess you could say the same thing i'm like pretty into like scrabble scrabble like everyone who's good as a dude like when it comes to like applying yourself and like taking something so serious that you make it like your your identity feel like men gravitate towards those so even if women could have like an average higher iq because let's be real also a lot of dudes are so stupid that they could barely get out of bed in the morning but I think like men's intelligence tends to be more polarized like idiots and geniuses whereas like the average woman veers more towards the middle of the graph that's like what I've read in the past I see your point I see but I do think women are more manipulative than men though women speak fallacy they don't speak logic they speak fallacy and they get men to accept it you know what I'm saying So like when you argue with a woman, right, there's many fallacies, but one is called an ad hominem.

1:34:28And that's when instead of sticking to the point that you're arguing about, you talk about the faults in the other person. You get what I'm saying? And us being smarter, we actually buy into this shit. Right. Like if I'm right about the toast being burnt, what the fuck does that have to do with me fucking a bitch to you? It's two separate conversations. the average woman will rely on all of the fallacies of like bad arguing like so consistently like anytime you argue with a woman you will you will try to speak about like the average person the average person does this and they will always respond to you with some anecdote that they think disproves what you're saying and then you have to explain i'm not saying that everybody does this i'm just saying that on average i think even this conversation right here like the average woman would be listening to this i think and they would probably be like well i know a woman who's really really smart i'm like okay well that doesn't really change the fact that i'm saying that the average woman is like this and like you just have to explain that multiple times anytime you argue with a woman it is stunning do you do you think that um do you equate like the ability to be manipulative and like in a superior manner is that what intelligence is defined by more than anything i don't even really think that women are like better at manipulating than men it's just no The reality is that women have their sexuality that they can weaponize and use against you, and we are essentially powerless to it.

1:35:54We're all used to that. They have to manipulate to be in the game. Yeah, they do. For sure. They have no choice. But then also think about this. How many female cult leaders are there? Barely any. Barely. But how many of the followers? How many female cult followers? Tons, yes. I'm saying. because they speak fallacy that's what they speak yeah yeah bitches ain't shit i'm gonna get tell you yeah you can't spell fallacy without fallis bitch that's some funny shit i'm not making it out like i just actually think all women are i just think that like if you have a woman in your life you have to like enroll them in college you have to like listen like i'm gonna work you can raise the kids but you're also gonna have to go to harvard in order to compete with me Most definitely.

1:36:41Mentally. Or don't compete and just be like, yeah. For sure. Hey, I wanted to ask you this, Craig, because, you know, Adam is taking a serious interest in possibly doing stand-up. You, I think, are making it sound like it's more serious than it actually is. I'm trying to get him there. Dovo is also taking a serious interest. I want to get him there. What advice would you give him into starting stand-up, and how can he get off offensive jokes without coming off offensive? Oh, man, that's a great question. For somebody like Adam, see, I started comedy at 27. I started late. I don't know how old you are, but.

1:37:1742. So you have an advantage because people already kind of know how you think. And you got a lot of content out there. So my advice would be write jokes from the content you've created. Don't like, you know, especially shit that's more personal to your personal life. Because if you figure out how to just talk about your life and make it funny, then it's going to come easy to you. You know what I'm saying? But if you try to be funny, it's not going to be. Just talk about your life. And don't worry about laughs because people laughing doesn't mean something is funny. It's really about being understood and having a point of view, like a solid point of view on a topic.

1:37:51Even if it's something that people would disagree with or agree, it doesn't matter. Just as long as they feel a certain way. Because really telling jokes, being a comedian is really an argument. It's really you trying to prove your point to somebody. And then the funny is secondary. So let me ask you this, though. I'm always interested in the creative process Because his question was Based on a lie which is that I'm like thinking About getting into stand up comedy which is not true But what is your like Creative process like in terms of writing Down jokes like do you Stick to a schedule of any Sort I mean yeah when I have time I do but it comes from conversation like This okay comes from life I get Out and like try to experience things Me being an MC first I'm really good with bars so I may just write a funny uh roast here and there and leave it and then come back and like reverse engineer into that you know what i'm saying um and then podcasting is a part of it once i have an idea i like i try to see if i can talk about it like we're doing for a couple hours if i can talk about it for a couple hours then i go back and watch it i'll condense it you know what i mean and then i go to the open mics i work it that way um so um and then i just build it that way and that's where you would have a good advantage over a lot of comedians in the game because you podcast 20 30 hours a week so you talk so much about things that's why i maybe i am pushing him into something he doesn't want to but i think i think he'll be good because he actually makes me laugh he made an interesting point though about like the audience already kind of being familiar with you which will kind of lubricate them just to i think i'll probably have the opposite effect because i'm like so polarizing a lot of people hate me and that's good though that's good that's good you want them to feel something as long as you can get them to understand why you say shit the shit you say eventually they're gonna be like he's the greatest i think that doughboy thinks that i want to get on stage at a comedy club and say well you know the thing about black people white people are violent right they're violent they're more violent than white people Let me tell you all about it.

1:39:53These guys on the podcast are in a gang. That's some funny shit. One of my podcast co-hosts, you pull out a gun on the other one the other day. You gotta stop saying it. It never happened. No, that's like just a second. I just like cook that up. That's a fake scenario. Gotcha, gotcha. Craig, I'm very curious about this. Like, what are your thoughts on the blowing up and now like seeming implosion of the Rogan sphere? You being like a comedian. this implosion is overstated right like what is the implosion is well i mean like you you just see these american redacted or whatever these commentary channels are who all want to push this narrative that the rogan sphere is over okay i think this has been overstated right so no what are your thoughts just overall on the fact that this was like a whole brand new avenue in comedy that kind of was that that joe rogan created and there's like this whole scene that kind of exists outside of traditional comedy.

1:40:52A lot of these people didn't get their chops in the same way dudes like you did. But they're amongst the most successful in the world right now. Yeah, I think it's needed, man, because good comedians, whatever you're supposed to say, you say the opposite. That's what a good comedian does. It's not about being agreeable and having everybody like me. It's about what are you saying? What does your comedy say? What's the message behind who you are and why the fuck you say what you say? So the fact that Joe Rogan was able to be successful, shit, I applaud it. I don't agree with all the shit that some of the cast say, but, I mean, it's free speech.

1:41:30I don't give a fuck. You know what I mean? It is what it is. So hopefully it doesn't implode any further. We need more sleeper cells of counterculture communities, people that say what the fuck they want to say. I'm all for that. So I hope it doesn't blow all the way up. You want to, like, would you perform in Austin at those days? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, you know, I mean, everybody was tripping on the Kevin Hart roles. I wanted to get your thoughts on that. What were your thoughts about that? Because now he's getting a lot of backlash because he came out and said, hey, man, I didn't know what everybody was going to say.

1:42:00I didn't have no control over these jokes. I couldn't take nothing out. Then they found out, yeah, you did. You took out 18 jokes, but you left in some other jokes that were kind of offensive. What's your take on that? But it seems like the jokes that were removed were not removed because of things that Kevin Hart would have wanted removed, right? When we looked up what jokes were removed, which I forget if we did that in front of you, it was like some stuff about Trump and Melania. Some short jokes. Which doesn't really seem like something that he would have cared about. And then the short joke is like, maybe they removed that because it was repetitive or something.

1:42:30Because you got to imagine that's like the thing that Kevin Hart is the least sensitive about. He's been hearing it since he was 10. This is for sure like the edgiest thing I remember. Right. How do you feel about some of the jokes that was even said on it? You feel like some of the people crossed the line? Man, here's the thing, man. Cross the line as much as you want. If it's funny, I don't give a fuck. But the glaring thing is like, and I hate to speak on it, but like white comedians don't have to be as funny as black comedians. So you get certain white comedians that blow up and get to this catastrophic level, and they're talented.

1:43:05But it's a nigga tap dancing, playing the saxophone, building tents, and managing 10 kids and doing comedy, and he can't get a shot so when i see shit like that it doesn't bother me but it just reminds me that damn this shit is really political because even the host he's one of the funniest dudes out here but to me it didn't make sense him hosting the kevin hart shit yeah but like literally what you're talking about is perpetuated to the umpteenth degree by that whole rogan sphere scene that's like everything that we just that you just described but magnified even further yeah Yeah. So, I mean, and the thing is you got to the thing is the current.

1:43:41Right. So it's all about being in the right place at the right time. So if you just happen to be an OK comedian and you get involved with the right movement, then it's the movement that blows you, you know. So it's like, you know, those those politics are difficult. You know, I mean, because you like you said, there's out here that can do way more than what we can do that have nothing. You know what I mean? So in the in the in the Rogan, I'm sorry, in the Kevin Hart roast, I answered the question. I felt like it was a great roast I felt like the gay jokes were a little bit more like disrespectful to me than the black jokes like the rock if I was gay my boyfriend would be here if I was gay I'd have a Chippendales dance around my lap right now he kept talking about Kevin's girl and you know what I mean I thought that was kind of like that was kind of hacky surfacy level shit you know i mean what about when i was out wilding out the other day where we were all there because i was lush he was in a k-hole but um we ddg his joke he only i think got off like one or two jokes on nick canin but one of them was basically like your baby mothers are all whores right see that's hacky that did stand out to me i was like wow i feel like if there is a line that kind of crossed the line i don't know though Isn't it kind of how you say it half the time?

1:45:01Well, I think it just crosses from trying to be funny to just being mean. It's like, nigga just hit you with a joke. But that bitch is a slut. Like, that's not funny at all. To be fair, it was like the rapping part. So it's like, you know, I feel like the standard is lower when you're rapping the bars because part of the humor is the fact that, oh, they just rhymed those two things together. And that's kind of funny because, like, the actual bar we were looking on paper would be like something, something, something, store, blah, blah, blah. oh, your baby mamas are all whores. It's like, if that was just a joke and it wasn't forced to rhyme as the rap thing, then nobody would have even considered it even sort of a joke.

1:45:39But you put it over a beat and rap to it, it's kind of lit. Well, not all fake though, man, because all this shit seems so rehearsed now that I've actually been in the - It's not rehearsed, it's all improv. You know what I mean? I just got my dick back. Lovable loser. can't do that anymore wait wait can i i wanted to read the rest of those archetypes this was i was really into this before all right the neurotic anxious tightly wound and worried they demand that things are done their way and often use manipulation to control their environment who does that sound like who does that sound like he's not really like an on-camera personality Josh is part of the shit though that's Josh the dumb one, naive and oblivious they often misunderstand situations literally and provide comic relief through pure simplicity there's a few pretty obvious examples he quit three years ago I was even thinking about him that's funny as fuck I'm trying to think, who's like the morons among us who is the morons here?

1:46:51really? Is it you? Morons are longest. If it's me, then we're doomed. Who is it? I want to say. Because it's mean. It's cool if you don't say it because I agree that it's super. Yeah, it's mean. I'm not going to say it. We all know who it is. Tell me off camera. No, you know who it is. It's for sure the dumbest person you know. It's not really jumping out to me. Chat. Who do y 'all think? Chat. Who's the dumbest? Let him know. Who's the dumbest? Let him know. Anyways. You should just say it at this point. No. It seems so mean. Because Ophashian for sure hurt me really bad. Okay. The bitch slash bastard.

1:47:31Selfish, cynical, and highly critical. They use their, this sounds like me too, they use their sharp tongue and wit to point out others' flaws, often making biting remarks. Yeah, I see some of you in that. There's a little bit of me in that. Oh, T-Rail was the dumb one you were saying? That's who the chat is suggesting. No, I think the bastard is T-R-L more like that. He's like had the snarky remarks and contrarian. But he's combined now with the dumb part too. But I feel like it would be like not, it would be like purposely oblivious to try to like ignore. He's not really dumb, but he would play dumb for the situation sometimes.

1:48:08Okay, and then you have the womanizer slash mananizer, which, or manizer is the word that they wrote, which doesn't seem like it should be a word. and it says superficial and overly fixated on sex or short-term romance they're incredibly confident in their pursuit of partners now i will say obviously i'm probably the most openly horny person but i'm not like seeking out additional relationships i don't feel like that's like a big part of my sharp character i was gonna say he's a brick baby oh no but that that is that sounds actually a lot like sharp that's not like sharp that i could think of okay the material materialistic ones spoiled entitled and immature they focus heavily on wealth status and luxury often whining when they don't get what they want i don't know that we have anyone like we have no real materialistic we're all too broke i feel like that would not play terribly well in this right i feel like i'm super materialistic but i just don't like have the the means right you have the mind of a materialist it's a time i would have dave that say i don't have money in their own universe quirky, spacey and disconnected from reality these characters march to the beat of their own drum I don't know that we have that but that is very useful to me because I feel like anyone that we thought about bringing on the channel we could kind of put them into these baskets it creates conflict right but so So do you want, do you not want more than one of each person on a podcast?

1:49:47Well, as the host, you can kind of morph into whatever it is you need to do to make this shit go. Boom. But if you have people who have those qualities, it's going to create the next, because this is for TV. Right. This is character archetypes for TV writing. I mean, this goes all back to vaudeville, right? Yeah, right. But if you got four people on a pod, you don't want three lovable losers. I mean, it's all about the host. Right, right, right. You gotta have a mix of the four. A Magic Johnson type dude that, oh, these two, let me do this for the joke. You get what I'm saying? Like, look at the Ninja Turtles.

1:50:16They had very clear, defined personalities. You know what I mean? Like, Leonardo was like a leader. Michelangelo was hella goofy. Yeah, dude. Yeah, Donatello was hella smart. And Raphael was all aggressive. And those archetypes are really, like, clearly defined in these dudes. Absolutely. AKA, like, the pinnacle of greatness in modern writing the ninja turtles that was my shit when one came out i was excited but ninja turtles when i see the way that the boys in my daughter's school are still so fascinated by the ninja turtles i'm like whoever cooked that shit up really landed on something that is just so universal you know like my kid my kid will ask me questions about ninja turtle lore like she will asked me like how did the ninja turtles live in the sewer well that's correct and i'm like i'm like in reality nobody would want to live in the sewer it's all poop and yucky stuff down there like y 'all was kids y 'all didn't used to like try to like go to manholes yeah hell yeah

1:51:19i couldn't fit through the motherfuckers in the middle of the road said he couldn't fit oh somebody made me the ai video of doughboy halfway through the manhole. Pause. Yeah. Well, look at this. Break it down. I'm going to be thinking about this a lot. I'm surprised it took me this long to be exposed to this. You got to show love to your loser, man. That's all the thing. Okay. LL. Yeah. But this is also, if you like look deeper, because we're talking about the vaudeville character archetypes and then it's just the different roles that people play in society. Like the healer, the hero, the gesture.

1:51:59these are the same archetypes that are repeated in everyday life plus in comedy like if you're cooking Adam or you're cooking in a situation and it's clearly your day a real comedian is going to support you in that moment they're not going to try to chop you down and override you this nigga is hot I do feel like no jumper more often than not has a different personality that might fit into one of these but I'm not sure which which is kind of like the gangster who talks about prison all the time right that's materialistic because that has that's currency in society being tough okay you know i mean that you know and then also the fade is currency in prison yeah you know i mean so it's metaphoric too it doesn't have to be literal like spot on you can replace it with things that culturally make more sense in these scenarios but also like this table these microphones are a leveling factor where a lot of things like physicality are out the window right and that can be very frustrating to people who's like a huge part of their identity is to go fight.

1:53:01You weren't thinking of Krip Mac as the dumb one, were you? How would I ever know? Were you thinking about Duna? No, he's a dumb one, but that's not disrespectful. It's not disrespectful in the world of comedy. But he's our Chris Farley. Because he's fat. Everything he does, he's kind of hilarious without even hearing a word he's saying. Just him moving around is funny. He's the dumb one and he's also in your own universe. oh yeah for sure the yeah yeah and this is remember these are only for the story aspect of whatever you're watching this doesn't mean it literally stupid he's very smart i'm not a loser yeah for people to follow what's going on this is how they're perceiving him because this is how they're trained to watch tv from years of watching tv but also i feel like dough boy i wish that you would have like told us this shit beforehand because you're like educated in comedy like the way Craig broke it down, he would have been like, yo, by the way, kind of my thing is like, I say goofy shit and like I'm halfway serious and it's funny.

1:54:00And I guess it took people a little while to figure that out. I kind of already knew that, but I feel like it would have been a bit of a softer landing because like the Rick Ross, like gangster persona and like blood dope. I watched it, bro. I watched that episode. I'm sitting there with my glasses on and the grill. And they niggas, they finna keep calling me no bitch. Why you calling me a bitch? I ain't calling you a bitch. Man, fuck this. I don't even know how to talk to him right. I ain't call you a bitch. I ain't call you a bitch. I ain't call you a bitch. Why are you going to call me a bitch again?

1:54:32You going to keep calling me a bitch? Why am I keep not calling you a bitch? How about that, nigga? That was really, really funny without trying. I feel like I missed out on a lot in society because last night I watched Patrick CC's new video about Key and Peele, who I could have walked by them on the street prior to yesterday. I wouldn't have known who they were. I never saw it prior to watching that documentary. I just had never been exposed to it in any way. I was looking. It's like 2012. It was on air for like three years. Just never saw it. You for sure know who Jordan Peele is. Yeah. Now, yeah.

1:55:09But you didn't know that? I knew he was a director. Oh, okay. I didn't really know about that. That's crazy. Yeah, I never got exposed to it. Really? Yeah. You never seen Get Out or Us? I actually found out about what Get Out is about last night watching this little documentary. Such a dope movie. Yeah. It sounded insane. Now I understand a little bit about why so many people mentioned it to me over the years, accused me of being something from that show or something. The Sunkin' Wife. Basically just like a complicated way of calling me a racist. You know, a lot of black people really think you work for the CIA.

1:55:39Be careful, man. I'm telling you. J. Edgar Hoover is his uncle. And people in the building. Like, man, I don't know about that. It doesn't help that my family actually like worked in politics for a long time. But then I did like people always would tell me that my dad was like a Mason, a Freemason, whatever. And then my dad actually came on the podcast and it was like unbelievably obvious that he was not a Freemason. and somehow that didn't really like stop any of these rumors. I think the last name thing kind of throws that off a bit. Threw it off. Yeah, yeah. I just have like a cool last name, yeah.

1:56:11Even though really it's just like a French last name that means big house. For sure. It really doesn't designate you being part of the Illuminati because you have a last name like that. It means that you're in the Bohemian Grove. Does the white Illuminati have to, do they have to fuck you in the ass? Yes. Because all black people think. The way to make it, you're not getting away from the ass sexes. It's all Illuminati is doing that. gotta happen i was penetrated wait so i was wondering uh so how long have you been on cory holcomb's podcast and like what what is how would you describe your role on that so i'm just a co-host okay no cory holcomb is a legendary comedian you know um man he pretty much is like counterculture at his peak you know whatever you're supposed to say he doesn't say it so um i've been with cory on his show for about six seven years you know we met at the improv one of the traditions in comedy we all go to the hollywood improv on monday nights and we just roast each other for hours i was most of the time we don't even go in the club we just be outside murdering each other for hours and that's how we yeah that's fire yeah yeah so that's how we met he invited me on the show um and i've been co-hosting ever since that's like his show um yeah i'm just a co-host i just i'm just like the the voice of reason on the show kind of okay yes i'm gonna be honest with you like i don't really think I knew who Corey Holcomb was until Flacco started making all these videos trying to take it down.

1:57:34Flacco hates it. They have a really evil beef going on. Corey the type of guy where if you started he gonna finish it. He don't give a f*** about none of the bullshit. Who do you think is upping that beef? I ain't really been paying attention. You know what I'm saying? Here's the thing. The 5150 world is we always got something going on. You know what I'm saying? The shit that Flacco was saying is just exaggerations and lies. You know what I mean? So like accusing somebody of being a PDF when that's not true. We say jokes and shit, but ain't nobody know PDF. That's like the worst thing you can be.

1:58:10That's a murderable offense where I'm from. So to accuse somebody of that, not be in their face, not have no paperwork, and just put it out there, to me that's bitch nigga behavior. Now I don't know Flacco personally, but I'm just speaking on any guy that accuses somebody of something that heinous without paperwork, that's a problem. I don't know that I actually tuned into the video in which he tried to paint that picture. Oh, he made a couple of them. A lot of it was like remarks. His commentary on remarks. Right. He was taking the content of things that he said and just kind of painting the narrative.

1:58:43Switching up the context. And that shit went crazy. You know it went crazy. So, I mean, that's a political strategy. So in politics, they have this thing called context to me. That's when you take a fact and you spin a narrative around it and make it seem like it's something that it's really not so he's taking a conversation like we're having today and taking one piece of it extracting all the context from it and then creating his own context to go to go around it and that shit went viral but the shit is simply not true okay you know i mean i don't know what started that beat because like i knew cory from back in the day being funny as that one roast there no it was that all-star weekend yeah and he just went crazy he's drunk as hell just unhinged and he was just making fun of everything in sight.

1:59:27That was one of my favorite clips on the internet for years. That's what I knew of him. He's one of the rare comedians that tours and sells out. He has no ties to Hollywood as far as like he's independent. So if he was a rapper he would be like what's the dude from Kansas City? Tech N9ne. He'd be like Tech N9ne. He don't answer to nobody. Can't nobody tell me what the f*** to say. I do what the f*** I want. He really is having a history. You go on the road with him a lot? Nah. I got my own thing going on. Yeah. But like, okay. Was it kind of when the controversy hit this year, did that like, how did that affect you?

2:00:03Were like, okay, this is my dog. I got his hand tall. Like, what did that feel like? I mean, it was a lot of people saying crazy shit, you know what I mean? But I'm, I'm built for it. You know what I'm saying? At the end of the day, my resume speaks for itself, like in the streets and with comedy. I mean, I got a long way to go comedically as far as this is a lifetime journey. but for me personally like i would never be sitting next to a pdf you know i mean like they wouldn't even be able to be comfortable around me that's not even something as you notice he keeps quiet i went to a comedy show the other day and it really like occurred to me that like if you want to take on this pursuit you're pretty much taking it upon yourself to like stay out going to these clothes until like midnight one in the morning every night that's early you have to Make that part of your routine pretty much.

2:00:51When you're working on your act, but if you like are somebody that's established, you could really have it your way. Okay. Like if you got a big fan base, you don't have to do shows at night. You can say all my shows are from 12 in the afternoon to 6 p.m. and then I'm out. You do what is your fan base. Okay. Yeah. These comedy clubs want to sell food and drinks. So if this is when you, if they can use your audience to sell food and drinks, you dictate what you want to do. You know what I'm saying? Don't you think it kind of takes away from it when it's like these giant arena stadiums? I'd say that about music, too.

2:01:24I think it's a disconnect. Because when I see people do stuff, I mean, as proud as I be in some of these cats, like, you know what I'm saying, even when Kevin Hart was doing football fields, I was just like, and you chime in on how you feel about it, I just don't know how you can connect to 18 ,000 people. Like, you know what I'm saying? Way more than that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? You're sitting in the middle, and it's 360. normally when you're doing comedy, it's front facing. You can see everything in front of you. I don't, I mean, I'm not, I'd look up to it for the accomplishment of it, but just on a technical standpoint, do you feel like it's a harder connector to perform in front of that many people at once?

2:01:58I think so. I think so. Because, you know, comedy is an energy transference and shit. So if I'm in a smaller room and I'm murdering that room, that shit feels like power. It feels like you could actually do like a dual kick. What's that shit called? You throw the fireball in the street front. It feels like, am I tripping? It feels like you can actually do that. You can feel human's power in a smaller room. But to make that real money, nobody wants to do 100, 200 dates. What feels crazier, though? Because you've been a rapper. What feels crazier, that or being like this and then having thousands of people?

2:02:32What feels crazier? So I would say the joke thing feels crazier. How come? Because you can't hide behind a beat. You get me? So in our era, you could be an okay rapper, but if you had a Dre beat, nigga, you were f***ing. And a hook. We had the argument about what's harder to be great at, stand-up comedy, or battle rap the other day on the podcast, and I noticed a few battle rap pages kind of clipping it and having that argument. And one thing that I found kind of compelling that a person said was basically like, when you do a battle rap, you do that one time, and you are never telling those jokes again.

2:03:06That is the end of it right there. and then meanwhile in stand-up you're working on the same set for over and over and over you might do it hundreds of times so that is one thing that really like everything is on the line in the battle rap world whereas like you're doing your set at a club in comedy you know the consequences of you having a bad night are pretty low and you can have a bad night it's like comparing a dunk contest to an actual game battle rap is like a dunk contest so you got two Vince Carters doing amazingly verbally acrobatic shit. That's a talent in itself. But to do comedy for an hour and a half and have a linear thought and take people on a journey is the hardest thing to do in entertainment.

2:03:49There's nothing in my opinion that f***s with that. I was falling on the side of battle rap because I've seen both, I've done both and just the memorization of not only the raps but the act out. So I'm just talking about just like in a soul in just in a soul performance. One is doing stand-up. One is doing stand-up comedy. As a stand-up comedian, I know. I know these jokes. I've done them before. I'm comfortable. If I need to go off page, I can go off page. I'm cool. Whatever. With this other thing, it's just like he was saying. You got this one time to get it right. You don't get to do it again.

2:04:22You're not going to be able to say this to another rapper. If you repeat a line, you know it's a carnal saying. You repeat some shit and don't around and forget a line and just wait like three seconds. He's got pressure. Comedians got pressure. you can't bite like you don't want to get all of that dummy uh carlos menci and all that like there's heavy pressure for comedians too but i'll hazard to say that what craig was referring to like a 90 minute set where you own the world chappelle type shit whatever that is like that is such a high level to get to and in order to achieve that the only real comparison in battle rap would be like the loaded lux yeah mooks are disasters of the world which in essence are doing the exact same thing that you described uh connecting coherent ideas for like this with the added pressure of somebody tearing them down right in their face i mean that shit is intense yeah you know what i mean it's really difficult to say i think the deciding factor too is like who are you i can hear you rap for every day and i still don't know who you are as a person so as a comedian all great comedians they let you into who they are at their most vulnerable space so no battle rappers gonna get up there and be like i was molested my uncle me and i still came up here and killed you like chucky you get what i'm saying everything is about cool right you know me being a rapper and a comedian i understand that there's some weird delusion in rap where niggas feel like they have to be cool well the way that is free that shit is it's not i don't mean to cut you off right and that's just not corny because it's necessary for the culture but that's something that won't make you a good comedian and so so to be uncool and make people laugh at your uncool for an hour and a half to me is like that's some hard shit to do the way that is framed in battle rap when they don't want to look um like seem like they're uncool but still be vulnerable is how hard they had it right right right right like i i had to like i never had like a cereal bowl we had to just like cut the carton in half and everybody has guns but no gun license where's your license

2:06:36oh man that's real yo uh so shout out to craig smith for coming on here man i'm glad we got you connected and everything much respect hilarious man uh and gave us a little bit more of a perspective on doughboy and his unique blend of comedy which we've all kind of been in awe of over the past few months um shout out to you guys we will be back at four o 'clock for the No Jumper Show live with some new characters. So make sure you guys tune in. Also, the Edgars are eating McDonald's just so everybody knows. They're not going to starve. They've got their... Neurotoxins on deck. I bet you need chicken nuggets, huh?

2:07:12What'd you get? What's your order? Chicken sandwich. Chicken sandwich. I would have respected you more if you got a Big Mac. Shout out to Craig. Shout out to Doughboy. This was a good one. Appreciate y 'all. Smack the like button. And we out.