Lil Woody on Young Thug Snitching, Never Forgiving Charleston White, Gunna's Redemption & More

25:58I don't care what y 'all do in y 'all relationship. It's not for me to violate y 'all. But when I hear people say, why take Lena down through that? I'm like, bro, This is my wife. Uh-huh. Yo, you'll take him down through that too. You already say it all the time. You like golden showers and all that other stuff. I was just kidding. Ask them when they take you to bed. Listen, if they want Lena, they know you come with her. Damn right. You got to fuck her. You got to fuck me too. He's not. But should I be mad at Mondo though? Like, what do you think his intentions were sending that DM? He a goofy.

26:30Okay. Come on, man. Why you going to them nigga girl, man? Yeah. If you like that, man. Hey, I'm calling Lena right now. If you like that. Call her and say what? But you try to go behind a nigga back and do that. Yeah, yeah. You feel what I'm saying? You're goofy, bro. That was weird to me. I was like kind of disappointed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it is okay because you know what type of woman you got. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's a thousand points to your woman. She's not going to fuck Mondo. Nah, I'm just saying she brought her to your attention. Yeah. You could have even said, yeah, tell him, come on.

26:57Swing walk through the door. You got him on camera. You getting content out for him. Well, well, well, look at here. That's what you need to start doing. She's had a lot more famous Atlanta rappers swimming for 100 DMs trying to do that than him. But see, what you got to have for Mundo is one of them drag queens laying on the bed. Surprise him with that? Yeah, he walking in thinking he's leaner. It's a whole man. I bet he's going to do Pee-wee Roscoe. Yeah. Oh, man. Wait, what? So you said that Pee-wee slept with a tramp. Where did that come from? It came from Pee-wee mouth. He said that? Yeah.

27:30I got one ear, my nigga, but I can hear. When did he say that? when we was sitting in the truck outside of the sky house. Oh, so this is a personal relationship. I mean, personal conversation you had. Yeah. There's not no internet shit. You think Pee Wee Ross go want to be exposed? All right, so break that down. What happened? Because when you said that shit, I'm like, where did this come from? All right, so I be cooling my nigga. You feel what I'm saying? Like, I ain't no better. So a lot of stuff I might see and heard, I just be like, they business. That's how I was raised up. So Me, Doug People we were sitting in the truck We were going to go somewhere He blowed my whole mind with this Because I ain't never seen nobody Openly admit that they did this with a boy You feel me?

28:12Right So We in the back of the truck Doug was hitting me Because I be in my phone So I'm going to look up What's going on? He like But he didn't tell me So he go to ask Roscoe Hey, what's up with that right now? You feel me? But he said, he like, what's up with that girl? But he cursed. So Roscoe like, oh, yeah, she got a chick. You know what I mean? I'm talking about a big old chick. You know, he talk. You feel what I'm saying? How he look. That is how he talks. So I'm sitting there like, shit. But Thug, he hitting me, right? So he saying, he like, Roscoe, shit. What's she talking about? Roscoe like, but I can't put you on, you know what I mean?

28:55So when he saying that, I'm like, but as I'm looking, I'm about to open my mouth and say something too But Thor, he hit me Boom, what the heck did they keep hitting me for? So, he like Roscoe, you hit that? Roscoe said, I already did So while he explained, he like Yeah, you know what I mean, talking But when he said he already had sex with it I'm trying to figure out what's wrong because I'm thinking it's a girl I'm not even going to lie, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, what's wrong? But Thor laughing so hard, he falling all over and shit what's wrong with this nigga here? Man, Roscoe said, I can tell you, I can put you on with him.

29:33So, I'm like, you can put him on with him. So, I'm like, bitch, that's a old man. So, I'm like, a man? But he said, that's a trance. But I ain't know where to go. I'm like, where the hell is a trance? So, uh, like, bitch, that's a man. That's a man. So, look at Roscoe. He like, shit, my That way he went digging in his nose. Did my right hand? Did my right hand? I'm listening. He was digging in his nose like shit. When old man went out here, them motherfuckers got big old chicks, huh? Onto my long money. You know, I'm like... If we knew more about our sleep, what would we do differently? Would we go to bed at a consistent time or take steps to reduce interruptions to our sleep?

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31:32Because they be saying Pee-Wee real street nigga. That's what they're doing. Man, Pee-Wee get pushed on the ground. Nigga, don't get up. But who? Whoever want to do it to him. So you didn't see Pee-Wee get marked up? Look, y 'all brought Pee-Wee up here. And when he come to the door, push his ass on the ground. I bet he ain't going to get up until you tell him to get up. Man, nah. I ain't not going to do that. I thought Pee-wee was like one of Young Thugs. That's your problem, you thought. That's what they be saying in Atlanta. When have you ever heard Pee-wee's name came out? Man, he been around T.I.

32:00and all them niggas and shit, running around doing street shit. You heard what you said he'd be around them. I thought he was a nigga that's doing it. All right, so let's talk about the Pee-wee situation. So, Young Thug interrogation video recently re-leaked. Because this video been out. All right, so let's start off with that. Did you hear the video when it leaked originally? Because it leaked out like at least about a year ago. And I don't understand how it didn't make any noise when it leaked. Like, we didn't even talk about it on No Jumper and shit, right? It just seems so crazy. Yeah, I think we posted it on No Jumper.

32:30But it got bypassed because it was so much shit going on that no one really paid attention to it. But I 100 % posted it. I was aware of it. Now, with that being said, how did you feel at the time? Because people were trying to call you a snitch. But then Young Thug got this whole interrogation video. And you knew about it, but you wasn't even bringing any attention to that. You never really threw a thug underneath the bus to say, oh, he has an interrogation video. So what was your thoughts initially when you seen that interrogation video? I just laugh at it. I watched it months ago. Yeah. I watched it.

32:59Like, I didn't know about it because somebody told me. But then I watched it on YouTube. I was in, like, Milwaukee. I had a booking out there. And I watched it all night while I waited on my plane. And I'm just laughing like, damn. You feel what I'm saying? And then, you know, it's other things that was in y 'all face. that y 'all choose to ignore. But I just like, who am I to point it out? Thug come out a better person. You know what I mean? This shit over with. Yeah. But when he came out pushing that narrative, like I say, what you get out is what you put out is what you receive. Okay. Because he could have easily like got, sorry, but he could have easily got out of jail and basically said, you know what?

33:37All this crazy street shit was not a good idea. Are you shaving your head? Yeah. I've never seen that move before. Yeah, I got to make sure I ain't got no hair out there. Wow, that's sick. That's an old move right there. That's what I'm saying? I'm saying he could have easily kind of like chosen to take that trial in the state Rico as a chance for him to kind of be like, you know what, I'm going to live a less street life. I'm not going to put the shit in the music for sure. I'm going to kind of change my whole image and shit, which is what Gunna essentially did. Instead, he kind of leaned on calling Gunna a snitch, calling people snitches, talking about street shit, and really didn't even put music out, which is like he kind of like fell into just being more of like a street commentator rather than a rapper.

34:24When you get put in real situations, you open your eyes. You feel me? When, when you, you live in a real life. When you pretending, you stay blind to shit. Who opened their eyes and who, who been pretending? The facts are right there in our face. am I right or am I wrong when you pretending to be something that you ain't you ain't gonna know how to move a corner so you feel like Thug was pretending to be a street nigga I'm saying no as a nigga that's around say what you want about Woody niggas say you a real street nigga I don't even want no but even if you're not wanting that title that's just what people say about you regardless so with that with you having the mentality that you have and you being friends with Young Thug when you was around him did you look at Young Thug as a street nigga?

35:15I learned a lot from Thug. There's a lot of things I learned from him. It's surprising. Because when I was hanging with people I didn't talk much. I just be quiet. I was told you know what I mean be quick to listen and slow to speak. So I used to listen to what he's telling me. I was like oh wow this nigga smart. But you know he was a different Thug was like more educational smart and street mix. Yeah. But they their fame and the cockiness went to his head and kind of knocked him off his game. That's why I said when he sit down and take a break from social media and just appreciate his freedom, he gonna come back smarter than never.

35:54Do you look at Thug as a street dude who just went and got successful and then continued to do street shit? Or do you look at him as kind of a square who got rich and famous and then started doing street shit? Honestly, how I look at Thug is someone that was so excited at the change of his life that knows some skeletons is in your closet and there's going to be a time you got to face it. So you're making decisions moving forward off impulse. You just like, did I say that right? Do y 'all understand what I'm saying? Yeah, I feel it. You feel what I'm saying? So it's like, you want to move forward and your success is becoming bigger than you're expecting, but you know you got something in your rearview mirror that you got to deal with.

36:43So street shit was going on before Thug had money? Yeah. So Thug was, you would say. But he namespeed for himself. Why y 'all think nigga call him Thug? Yeah. What is a Thug known for? Thugging, right? I mean, look at somebody, like, just for an example, look at Gucci Mane. Gucci Mane had this whole period of his life where he was clearly driven by ego and he was just doing crazy shit. What happens? He ends up getting locked up a bunch of times. His career was certainly in jeopardy at one point, and he ultimately learned his lesson. And now he doesn't move in a, you know, cocky way in the same way.

37:16He's low key reserve. He acts like a person that don't want to go to jail. Thug never had his ego checked. He never went to jail as a celebrity. You know, he just hit after hit after hit. And he's putting artists on and the artists are doing good. And the people love him. The white people love him. The streets love him. he got checked with this huge case that could have took him out of the streets for like 20 years. But instead of Doug sitting in jail writing down his life story and writing reps and stuff taking each day one step at a time he wouldn't be having any jail calls where he just on that board just talking about irrelevant stuff.

37:53You feel what I'm saying? He would have came out one of the biggest people in the world to our community. You feel what I'm saying? the rep community. So, this is what I'm going to say, my name. When you play around with your life and you take shit for granted when it's not to be taken for granted, you have to go back to that. If Doug keep getting on the way he going, they're going to lock him back up. You know what I'm saying? Gucci man moving how he moves. Nigga tired of going to jail. But you know how many times I've been to jail? Man, that shit get played out. How many times you think you've been to jail?

38:33Man, more than 10. Word. And how long have you stayed? Like, if you add up all the years you spent in jail, how long would you say? I've been in jail every year from 2009. I almost been all the way up to this point. I would have been free for two years if I didn't go to jail for plenty of filth and I didn't go to jail for this damn cuss shit. If I didn't go to jail for them two, I would have been free for my first time for two years. But I've been in jail every year all the way up to today from 2009. what they like 15 years 16 years so I mean if you even average 4 months out of those years I mean that's like 5 years right there I did 51 months in the feds I did 13 months in 2012 I did man I did a lot of time I just did 16 months I got out on board got locked back up 90 days later they gave me 3 years you feel what I'm saying?

39:30I just did right there, three years in the fire, they ate. You know what I mean? Without that other year, I did for aggravated assault. Then I had did, I did four months for terrorist threat. I did two months for a smash and grab. You feel what I'm saying? I been in July. That shit ain't fun. That shit ain't cool. It ain't the move. One of the most discussed things that Thug said in that interrogation audio was he basically said, I'll tell you whatever you want to know. Just don't tell the world. And his explanation for that in the Big Bank interview was to say that he was basically flirting with the girl, trying to rizz her up so she would take it easy on him.

40:13And that actually seemed like it was pretty convincing to a lot of people. Didn't Yacht say that in his interview? Man, y 'all let me go out real wild. Whatever Yacht said. Didn't I say it in my eyes? But we rats. We the rat. Yachta rat. See what Thug is Come on nigga Obama a rat Alright So Thug said Yak is a rat Because Yak said that you and Shannon Killed Nut Wait let me say this If me and Shannon didn't kill Nut Do they make Yak a snitch Yeah Right If you tell And you happen to be mistaken About what you're telling on Since a lot of people do tell third hand information Yeah, I heard so-and-so killed so-and-so.

40:58That's still telling. No, telling is telling the truth. Telling is saying Remo and Adam sit at no jumper and talk about penises all day. And that's what y 'all do. You know what I'm just saying? I'm saying, no, if that's what y 'all do, and I told the police that's what y 'all do, that's telling. So if I get caught up for something and the cops interrogate me and I say, you know what? I got something for you. Woody killed Remo. and you get charged and you get 20 years for killing Remo, but the truth is you didn't kill Remo, but it's my testimony that gets you locked up. I told. No, you didn't.

41:31Yes, I did. No, you didn't. What could it possibly mean otherwise? You lied on Remo. No, I lied on you. Snitching is telling the truth, bro. All right, so let me ask you. Let's say the person who actually, if I kill Remo, right, I mean, if you told the police I kill Remo, but my cousin killed him, and I choose to go to jail and not say nothing, and I get convicted, you lied on me. You wrongfully convicted me, my nigga. We just interviewed Hernandez Govan. And one of the shooters, Cornelius, told on him and said that he basically was facilitating the money so that they would go and kill Dolph. And Hernandez says that that's a lie and that he was just saying it so that he could get some more time taking off his sentence by cooperating or whatever.

42:11So. He's still a snitch. Everybody's still going to treat him like a snitch, even if he's lying on Hernandez. Only if they want to hate on you. He took the stand. Only if they're going to hate on you. All right. So what if you would have got locked up for killing Nut and you didn't do it and Yak would have been the reason that you got locked up? Would you consider him a snitch? No. I'd be saying this nigga lying on me. You only say a nigga snitch when he telling you. But if you lying on me, you lying on me. You can't be snitching on me if I ain't do it. So were you not offended when you heard that he said that?

42:41No. Where? I ain't been killed one bit. Niggas say it all the time. If my buddy die, put the charges on him. Niggas are beating cases like that. But you alive, and he's trying to pin a murder on you, and you're here in the flesh. And guess what? I didn't do it. The facts going to be the facts. Yeah. I go to trial, and I beat it. I didn't do it. If I go to trial, then I lose. I still ain't do it. But as a friend, though, what I'm trying to say, because you and Yacht Gotti recently just did a 20v1, so I'm saying as a friend, you wasn't a set with him for trying to pin a murder on you? Bro, I knew about this way back in 2016.

43:18Yacht put my name in it. I told Yat when me and Yat was in the fed I told Yat I said how'd your interrogation go and what'd he say I had better I had better connections with anybody back then I was knowing shit off the rip despite what anybody had to say about me yeah yeah I was when you asked him that what was his answer we was through the door and we was talking and Yat was like man shit my brother I told him I ain't know what's going on I said you sure about that I'm gonna slide you some papers and then the papers you sent them knowing that he said that about you? Nah, I think when I woke up the next day, they had moved yet.

43:54It didn't have anything to do with that, but I gave him the paper, and I think they locked us down. And then when we came out the next day, they had moved yet. So you was able to forgive him for even making that statement about you? No, because it wasn't true. Yeah. But let me tell you something, my nigga.

44:13These polices ain't stupid. You feel what I'm saying? Because if they would believe yet was telling the truth, they would have charged me and Shannon. Even though I was charged, I was charged because somebody on the scene lied and said he saw me in the car. They be trying to say in the Reddits and all that shit that you killed Nut, but they wanted Thug to get arrested for it so bad that they granted you immunity just so they can get Thug. And that's what they really wanted. They really just wanted Thug to go to jail. Fonnie Willis and shit. Shit, you probably do. I mean, it ain't got nothing to do with me.

44:48if y 'all want Thug go get Thug let me go yeah do you know what I mean it's simple I had to go people fail to realize every time they got me I went to prison so when everybody said I'm gonna inform me and I'm working with the police I know I'm sitting in jail so they don't want their informing on the street they don't want their informing out here gathering information it's the niggas that ain't going to jail who you gotta watch so alright so inside the the Big Bang interview he did with Thug Thug said you the whole reason that this war in Atlanta started with with Luchino him. He said that you broke into a nut car and you stole a nut chain and it's been up ever since.

45:23How do you feel about Thug placing the blame on the war being because of your actions? And is that true? Who better to put it on? When the trial first started did it first start with nut situation or did it start with a shooting at a gas station? That involved I think DK getting shot at them. Did it start off with nut? Or did it start off with DK now? So you saying it was a whole bunch of smoke before the chain situation? Nah, what I'm saying is Well, let me better ask you this. In your eyes, what you feel like started off the shit? If Thug saying you did it, and you feel like the chain situation wasn't it, then what would you feel like started off the whole little drama between all y 'all?

46:03I don't know what started. I know I didn't start it, and I don't care what nobody say or think of it. You feel what I'm saying? Because like I said, bro, I'm Woody. My name was mentioned throughout the whole trial. So if I'm this big of a factor in the trial, it just don't make sense. If I'm the main person whose name keep being mentioned in everything, why am I on the witness list instead of being a defendant?

46:35You ain't never see no evidence of them pointing out against me. You didn't hit me on no jail call, incriminating myself for saying do nothing, no white taps, no photos, no gang, none of that. You didn't see me with none of that. Play a fool to catch one. You didn't see none of that. You didn't see no self-snitching on me. Nowhere. And it wasn't because they granted you immunity and they hid some shit? That's what I was going to say, yeah. That's what they say. They gave you immunity. Otherwise, you would have been charged, and we probably would have seen all that kind of stuff, right? They forced immunity on me.

47:09How y 'all miss that? I didn't ask for immunity. I told them no. I went to jail. I plead a filth. You see how I looked at that judge? I looked at him because we had already had a conversation. If I plead a filth, they're going to lock me up. So I looked at that judge. I plead a filth. That was me telling him, come on and lock me up. But they wanted you on the trial because they wanted thug, essentially. Like you, they thought you was going to be able to get them. What was my defense? What was my defense? They want the big fish, right? Yeah. What did I prove on the stand? I proved to the jury that they want a thug.

47:45It's the truth. They say they want a thug. They want a big fish. They don't want a little fish. But, you know, people don't understand, and it ain't for me to explain it to them. But why would Thug go in there and just make it up and just say, you're the whole reason for all this shit, though? What did he get out of saying that? Because I became popular. I mean I'm doing better You feel what I'm saying For myself For once Instead of him being You know happy And be like You know that nigga Deserved it You feel what I'm saying You know a nigga's story You know what I mean I've been sitting in jail A lot I've been losing people I fought this war I had to go against A whole army by myself You feel what I'm saying This stuff I had to deal with That I don't talk about So when I seen Thugs on there I said This is the last thing You should have did My nigga Because you feel To cry with me you've seen face to face.

48:39Y 'all seen each other face to face? In court? Yeah. I see him every day in court. And that's when you made a threat towards him in court. I never made a threat towards him. You kind of did. I think I got the time stamp. I ain't got a hatred bone in my body for the, even though the way I talk, and I troll him, but I still love him the same as I loved him back then as I do now. You know what I mean? It ain't in my heart no more, my nigga. And you did a recent live about three, four days ago, and you said. Did my daughter wake up crying? No, no, we're going to get to that. This is something else you said.

49:14You said, y 'all missed the trial where you threatened to harm the other because he threatened to take me out. And then that's what you said on the live, and you said, y 'all missed that part in the trial. That was the phone call. That was when the feds kicked him out of the door to lock me up. The day before, I had an argument, and I threatened him. I call his phone I'm like hey boy it's up between me and you I'd rather let you know that we gonna go to war then sneak and do something to you cause I ain't I ain't gonna fake it bro if I'm thinking you got my back cause I showed you I had your back but now I ain't gonna question it hey man you when we see each other it going down and then the feds kept knocking my door and locked me up and why was you even mad at the thug at that time I don't recall

50:04One thing I did hear you say, though, you said, because it was a point where you had your daughter in hand and niggas tried to kill you. And you said, you know, you fought for your life and you ended up shooting back or whatever got out the situation. But you said within five minutes of that happening, you got a phone call from Thug. Like he knew what was going on. So at the time, you was psyched out saying like. Hello, Remo. You been investigating me, man. No, but. You're my whore, man. Was that in our other interview? Huh? Was that in our other interview? No, this is what he said recently. You said...

50:34Yeah, I might have stopped the internet, man. You said that you didn't know. You said within five minutes of you getting shot, Thug called and knew that you got shot. And your family members at the time didn't even know you got shot. So in your mind at one point, you thought Thug might have sent somebody to kill you. That dude was in trial? No, this is what you said on your live stream the other day. That has something to do with court, though? You said that at the time, when niggas came to kill you when you was holding your daughter or holding your baby. And after five minutes of the shootout happening, Thug hit you up.

51:05And at one point, you wanted to kill Thug or you told Thug you was going to do something to him because you didn't know who tried to kill you at first. You said you thought it was Thug who tried to do it to you because how do we know so fast? Man, bro, I was in a shootout every day. Do you know how that make you feel? Nigga, you don't trust nobody, not even your shadow. My shadow getting drawn down on. You feel me? Like, I ain't playing. I ain't never been shot, my nigga. thank you God and I ain't gonna get popped what I'm trying to tell you if you have indeed many shootouts every day niggas you watching everything moving at least I am cause I ain't trying to go so but at the time though it was a thing where you even potentially thought Thug didn't have your best interest at that time why would you even assume if you and Thug locked in why would you even assume it could have came from him if y 'all was like locked in from what we see trust no one the moment you trust somebody the moment you lose.

52:02When did you start feel like you was losing trust with Thug? Because I was locked in. You know what I'm saying? You said you and Pee Wee was all outside the club hanging out. When did you feel like I don't know if I could trust Thug? When did the relationship start to sour to you or you felt like maybe Thug don't have my best interest?

52:26Yeah, like I read one of those. I said, look how y 'all locked in on me. Man, shit.

52:36What the question was? When do you feel like you stopped feeling like you could trust up? Because y 'all had this long friendship, but when did you feel like, all right, I don't know if he has my best interest. Have you ever felt energy? You know what I mean? People's energy change. You can feel energy. sometimes, you know, you can be mistaking it, but I'm going to trust in what I feel. So, like right now, if energy tell me to get up and leave, because y 'all trying to set me up, we're going to get up and leave. You know what I'm saying? You just got to follow your instinct. We would never. I've been hearing a lot of people up here fighting the story.

53:15Everybody said, you be careful up there and no jump. I said, no, Adam got my back. I said, man, don't you trust that white boy. Adam does have your back. Only one person got beat up here? Who that was? This random guy. But we didn't have anything to do with him getting beat up. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. I don't care what nobody say. If you book me the car, I ain't never had no money. I'm coming. I'm taking God with me too. I'm gonna assume the gentleman that you brought with you is a pretty serious guy. Oh, no, he's my brother. Okay. Yeah, you know what I mean? We both believe in God and we let the spirit lead and guide us.

53:50Real talk, no weapons, We came from the airport, drove here Gonna drive back to the airport and dip Nice Ain't nobody else paying there to be here Ain't no need for us to be here Respect I wanted to ask When Thug said That he made a mistake He made an honest mistake When he was going back and forth with Rollo I think that stood out to a lot of us Can I go pee real quick bro? Yes Go take a tinkle and then we'll get back to it This shit going up though man Okay. He made a mistake. Not everybody gets to use this excuse. How did that stand out to you?

54:36And which way? I mean, it's just interesting that he seems to be so eager to characterize his own acts as a mistake when you can't really imagine him lending that. Like Gunna basically said that he made a mistake at one point or that he was tricked. It's Irish that Gunna was tricked. Yeah. It was very Irish. But if you listen to somebody and they sit on podcasts and say you never talk to the police. If you listen to somebody that is preaching this stuff, why are you doing it? You can't say you made a mistake and you can't forgive. Nobody else name who you name drop. So you say you miss everybody, right?

55:16But when you dropped that Link song, it was before. It was after you did the interview with Big Bang. You did the interview. You made the diss song. You feel what I'm saying? Now you miss everybody. Bro, you revealing your hand. But the diss song was a leak, right? It still was made after he did the interview with Big Fast. It's just interesting. Oh, really? It was made after that and then leaked unofficially? Yeah. But you think that he intended for it to be leaked? Yeah. I mean, he said to somebody. Usually music videos don't just leak like that. Duh have been in a position where people link their music.

55:44you think he's gonna keep allowing it to happen? You ain't putting out a name, you don't want out. First of all, why you even making some saying it? You feel what I'm saying? But it's interesting to think that he might have made it and then decided that it wasn't a good idea. It doesn't even matter. You shouldn't even have it in your mind. Every last one of us went in there and loving our heart. When niggas snitch, they go in that motherfucker and say, Remo did it. Adam did it. I saw them do it with my own eyes. Everybody went in there, sat there, and said things that would jeopardize their freedom.

56:24They did. If I was on Thug's team, I would have said, I don't think that record is the right look for right now. Let's not put that record out. If I was Thug, right, and the trial went the way it went, and I see the world trying to hate, I would have came out on some real cocky shit. Like, that's why y 'all are my niggas. You feel me? Because when it counts, y 'all niggas showed up. See, real friends, that's what real friends do. They show up when it's time to show up and bring you back. Don't matter that you put, no, I didn't put Doug in that situation. Because those crimes that they're charged with, I didn't make them do that.

57:00I didn't tell them to do it. It ain't, I told them, you got to start with the problem. The problem is you should never did it. And if I did any crime, and you don't know nothing about it. and if you know anything about it and I feel like I gotta go to jail you won't be able to say anything about it if you're a street nigga my nigga so at the end of the day the problem starts with then you should never did it if you did it when it was time for niggas to crucify you did you get crucified you gotta look at that and take that into consideration thank you you know what I mean niggas sitting in jail wishing we was they co-defendant that be real you know what I mean niggas sitting in jail wishing we were they co-defendant niggas called me from prison 20 year life but I would shout it I love you shout it because you did what these cows won't do niggas are telling they go stand on they snitching niggas are telling they be like man you know he did nigga ain't be going there and say man fuck y 'all lock me up do whatever y 'all gonna do to me man I don't believe in none of this cause once a nigga telling nigga gonna go through with they telling alright let me ask you this then so like you cleaned it up and you did the right thing I ain't clean nothing up I finessed my way to be with my family fuck them niggas alright Let's speak on the truth, bro.

58:11The truth is, I came home to my family. Who do you feel? Because you cleaned it up or not cleaned it up, but you did what you did. Thor did what he did, when he put out the song. The police didn't have no clue what happened. Police say it all the time. We need leads. Put us in the direction. Thor don't know what happened. You remember Thor told me to go down to the interrogation? He told you to go to the interrogation room, right? when the police call out the rip? Yeah. They ain't know what to do. So Thug told you to talk to the police? He said it out of his mouth. Yeah. Brian Steele said it in court.

58:47I never told nobody that he told me because at the end of the day, I didn't do anything. I heard you say that the opening statements when Brian Steele started naming off like what happened January 7th and January 8th and all that type of stuff. Yeah. You said something that I peeped. You was like, how will Brian Steele know all those dates and know all the exact details. You felt like Dog gave him the dates and details to that, for him to be able to have those opening statements in court? I can't say what I feel because I know that a lot of things were said about me from people. I can't put it out there because I wasn't the case, so I don't got to discover.

59:26But on my game of my profile, it say the crimes that I allegedly supposed to did. So if I supposed to did these certain crimes, it say who said I did these crimes. so anybody could have said oh woulda did this and Brian Steele could have got that wait I can't if I'm gonna speak on something it's gonna be facts if it's my opinion I'm gonna let it be known it's my opinion so I can't say that for a fact if Doug told him but my thing is why your lawyer speaking on crimes that ain't you know what I mean ain't nobody to try with that only y 'all would know in a sense that's what you was insinuating like how would Brian still know these things right cause if I got your back only you know I got your back right Thank you.

1:00:08A lot of people have suggested that Gunna might be behind the leaks of the phone calls and the interrogation and stuff. Do you believe that? Gunna ain't putting no negativity out. Yeah, publicly. But what if he's got people on his team? It's not in Gunna Hart. Look at that boy. Look at Gunna. I bet he's still conniving on the low. No, man. No? God bless him. Really? God carrying that boy. Look at Gunna. Look at his personality. You don't never hear Gunna. Gunna ain't never wrapped about being a hater. that's the only something a hater will do my nigga somebody who really despised thug you know when I got on the internet and I said what I said about thug you know what I mean the people were like please lord I know you want to grow but please let your daughter wake up crying bro ask my brother what a girl just said at that point did your baby wake up crying I said god damn I'm just playing on the internet I don't want to see no harm helping the thug gunner nobody not even my enemies As long as nobody's trying to bring harm to me.

1:01:06But I said, oh, shit, I got to be careful. My police officer told me, hey, Mr. Copeland, you ain't on line three in any one of these. I said, you know I know better than that. She said, yo, somebody sent it in saying you on line three in. I said, no, I'm not. I mean, I've been in jail for false terrorist threat. Well, not false terrorist threat, because I did do it, but I didn't know there was a crime. I feel it. Y 'all thought you had to be a terrorist to, you know what I mean? To make a threat, yeah. Yeah, like, I'm American.

1:01:39God bless your heart. Okay. I don't know. Shit, all right. So when it comes to more to leak phone calls, one of the things, because you said that Gunna really don't say any negativity, but one of the songs that he did drop on the first album was Bread and Butter, and then on that album, he kind of alluded to, he said, you know that you're in business with a rat and then people assumed that he was talking about qcp it was never confirmed but then in the leaked phone calls that happened 21 and thug was on a phone call talking about the brandon butter song and thug actually admit that it was uh good he was like his slick talking jazzy ass he snapped on that song but 21 savage also agreed he was like he ain't lied though and saying that that he in business with a rat so with that being said what was, like, did Atlanta deem QCP a rat?

1:02:32Like, was that a thing that y 'all, everyone in Atlanta knew already? Or was this just now coming to light, like, after the trial and stuff? Um, I ain't a part of Atlanta business. So, I just be worried about my neighborhood. Yeah. And my community. When they come to QCP and all that, I don't know, I don't get in there. I ain't gonna lie to y 'all, like, being in business that I got nothing to do with me ain't never been my type. But as far as like, were you ever around QCP and them and Lil Baby like early on in the career? Was y 'all hanging and rotating and shit? No, I pull up at their studio like way back in 2013, 14, like a couple times, but never had a conversation with them.

1:03:16I met them, but there's never no sit down or nothing like that. Did you take QCP to be a civilian or did you look at him as a street nigga when you met him? Well, ain't no sad thing as civilian, my nigga. Why everybody keep saying that, bro? Civilian or a street nigga. He went on record to say he was a civilian. But in your eyes, did you look at him as a street nigga when you met him?

1:03:41Everybody from Atlanta is a street nigga, bro. Everybody. You feel what I'm saying? Everybody. Don't matter what happened. No matter. You feel what I'm saying? You're going to do what you got to do to protect you and yours. That's it. All the excuses in the name tagging, label and all that. man, you just a weak person if you be affected by it. If I could call you a rat and you getting your feelings about it, you just a weak person. Me calling you a rat ain't going to stop you from living and making money, my nigga. You said being called a rat hurt, though. It do. The weak. And you said, listen, you said one thing.

1:04:15You said you're okay with being labeled a snitch. I ain't okay with it. I said. But you said young thugs not. People can say it on the internet, but please don't say it in my face. Yeah. But you said, even if people saying that to you on the internet, you're okay with it. You said you don't feel like Young Thug's okay with it. He can't live with that. I'm not okay with it. Ain't nobody okay with it. If you're okay with it, you know what I mean? They're just you trying to have a scrimp. But you're really weak. You know what I'm saying? But I had came to the realization that you label me something.

1:04:45You ain't helping me grow or elevate in my life at all. So who the hell is you? With Thug, on the other hand, it hurts because he sit right here and try to push this narrative on so many people, all you're doing is sitting right here saying, you're a rat, don't mess with him. You're interfering with people eating, my nigga. People got a family to feed. You're interfering with that. So now when it come out that, you know, because we already be knowing you're behind clothes, the old telling nigga, don't mess with him, don't mess with him. So now when it come out about you, you want everybody to still mess with you.

1:05:17But if anybody still chooses to mess with you, they turn on anybody else. They're a coward. They're weak. because if you turn on everybody else, you got to turn on him too. But I ain't telling nobody to do something they don't want to do. If you my nigga, you my nigga. I don't care what you do. Don't care what I'm saying. You got to deal with God with it. Simple. If you're trying to hurt me, all right, that's a different story. That line been dropped. Don't cross it. I won't cross it. Hey, it's Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile. Now, I was looking for fun ways to tell you that Mint's offer of unlimited premium wireless for$15 a month is back.

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1:06:30And some people feel like he did because they wanted him to go hard. Well, I respect Bank because he seen Thorpe was hurting. And you feel what I'm saying? He only did what's right. Don't hurt him no more. Then you already listen to what he's saying. You can tell he all over the place. Thorpe need to come down, get him out right, and go have another talk with Bank. You feel me? yeah that was a weird position to see thug in because he's normally he's an artist he's like he's choosing what he puts out there to the world and that interview felt very reactive like he felt like he had to do that we never seen him do a three-hour interview before and then meanwhile you have bank who looks at thug as a friend feels compassion for him can kind of tell that he's in a fucked up state but then at the same time bank is a street guy to some extent and he's he's basically like he has to speak for the people of Atlanta or the people who listen to thugs music, who want answers for all of these seemingly bad decisions that he made.

1:07:29Uh-huh. I ain't gonna lie, man. When I got black, when me and him talk, cause you know, you know, he called me to come on there and I'm like, okay, I haven't went yet because I be wanting to let closed doors be closed. But when the door opened the door, I became weak. I let my emotions you know control me it's like bro listen bro I don't fought this war too long bro don't you start this shit back up you feel me I'm not fighting this time bro like because you know what I mean like I said only God pulled us through that I did it my gun did it you know what I mean people who was assisting me did it but you know what you been through you know that when it first started we had to go to jail and sit in jail if you listen to all of us he called the rat.

1:08:16We all did time in jail. You the only one that didn't do time in jail. So when it was time for you to go to jail and see what it was like, instead of you coming on and saying, damn, them boys went through that all the time. Man, you know what? Nah, you can't make out trying to say, oh, you just a king. You ain't, man, shit, whatever. But I ain't gonna lie. I respect Bain. You know what I mean? For real, for real. And if I go on his podcast, if he ask me, it ain't got nothing to do with y 'all, but y 'all ain't out with business. What goes on the lender, it's a lender business. You know what I'm saying?

1:08:45Not saying I'm holding back from telling y 'all about it, but like when y 'all speak on stuff that don't have nothing to do with me, I just feel like it ain't my business to be speaking on. But if anybody spoke on me, y 'all can ask me if they spoke on me. I'm going to speak back on them. But you and Bank know like all the same people, just being in the same city for all those years. So you'd be willing to talk to him about things that wouldn't necessarily feel natural to talk to us about? Right. You know what I'm saying? Because now it's like people are going to be like, man, who do you all the way on?

1:09:12No jumper. Talking about a London business. You know what I mean? So, okay, cool. I go to bank and do it. Because niggas spoke on me. Do you feel like doing an Atlanta interview for Thug was biased? Like he should have did an interview with someone who could hold him more accountable? Because, of course, you said that you felt like he had to do the interview with bank to save face in Atlanta. I say this. It was great to do it with bank, but he should have gave himself time. He was not in control of the interview. You feel what I'm saying? Any person that you believe who they are, they'll be more in control.

1:09:43Like right now, I'm talking with y 'all. I'm in control. Ain't gonna let y 'all be in control to me. Do you know what I mean? Like, how you trying to say the snitch? Nah, bro. Like, because at the end of the day, people who watch this, they ain't come from where I come from. They ain't come from the violence. So they sit here and see that you thinking, oh, remote call, who the snitch to his face and who the later happen? Oh, I can do it. No, you can't do it. You know what I'm saying? This is a respect thing. At the end of the day, I'm a man. No matter what choices I made in my life or what I had to deal with.

1:10:09You know what I'm saying? I had to learn from it. Everybody got one chance in life, my nigga. you'll never catch me two times telling. You know what I mean? If that's what y 'all want to say. Who do you, all right, here's a good question. Who do you feel like told the most on that whole trial? Why everybody keep asking that question? Because Young Thug went on there and dropped a diss song naming everybody who he thought was a rat and some people's name got left off for that. But if the investigation came from listen to lyrics, it should be self-explanatory though, right? But we would just like to hear it from somebody like involved.

1:10:39I ain't pointing the finger at nobody. this the God and the truth, my nigga. We going, the tribe been, what, two years now? Mm-hmm, yeah. Two years we still on this conversation. Niggas came home. All the people who went to prison are the ones who took time to go to prison. Nigga ain't even give them credit. These boys tell them to take a plea to say, Trevor Williams is a game member leader. They went to prison. He ain't even shot them out. He ain't sent them nothing. Why are we talking about what's real? Them boys in prison doing time right now. He ain't sent a dollar to them. You feel me? They done been forgot about.

1:11:17They in jail mad that they didn't take the plea, but they trying to stand on business. They trying to let a nigga know, like, man, I'm real, man. That plea don't hurt nobody. You see, Shannon went to trial and war. Why are we arguing about snitching? If these niggas said YSL is a gang, some YSL members got to understand, said it is a gang, and the jury still came back with the verdict of not guilty, why are we talking about who's snitching and who ain't? So, all right, because Thug is the one that's really coming out telling niggas that nigga's a snitch and all that. Do you think Thug was forced by Lil Durk and his peers of people who called Gunna a snitch so he had no choice but to come out standing on business?

1:11:55I don't know. His country's. Put this thing right here. It's no joke. When you know you did wrong, my nigga, that country's play on your mind, boy. They make you see things that you ain't really see. Make you think things that ain't true. That's what happened with Thug. His conscience was eating him up. It was eating him. What specifically do you feel like he did wrong where his conscience might be eating at him? When he first came out publicly, what he did? He covered up. Covered his face. That's true. In the GQ interview. But they try to say that he covered his face because he gained weight.

1:12:29And they be calling him fat thug now. So he don't want to show that he has a fat face now. Maybe he had a hurry. If you got a problem with gaining weight, start eating so much. It's easier said than done. What did you take it as him covering his face for? You don't want to look at the mirror, my nigga. You don't want to face your reality. Let me tell you something, bro. If I stole Remo Pat, and Remo got it, if I think Remo know I stole it, I don't want to come around you. I ain't trying to look at you. You're going to call? You're not going to FaceTime? I'm going to just try to, you know what I mean?

1:13:00If we bump into each other, I'm going to be, I'm going to be, I'm going to have a guilty conscience, man. I can't beat me. But if I know I ain't stealing Remo stuff and he think I stole it, I'm going to be like, man, hey, man, stop playing on me, nigga. You know it, nigga. You know it. Because I was a thief. I was a person accused of snitching. Yeah, motherfucker look at me every day. They don't say it, but, you know, I still see some kind of put rats. I go lie to people, put rats. I be like, damn, these niggas still sound a snitch and these niggas came home? Damn. So it don't matter what you do.

1:13:29If you talk to the police and you say anything involves somebody else or anybody's name lying or telling the truth, you're a snitch. It's just the truth. Yeah, so you feel like the black and white rule don't even apply anymore? Man, these videos we looking at, what you talking about black and white for? Yeah. Everybody with me, they look, they video. Yeah. You feel what I'm saying? So at the end of the day, bro, it don't matter, bro. I got in that courtroom and I be my natural self. That's why they didn't lock me up. The prosecutors, the Atlanta police, the judge, the mayor, everybody in Atlanta know this who I am.

1:14:02I ain't pretending. We all got issues. That's why we go to jail. I just learned from mine. I ain't going back to jail. Why do you think, so, the interrogation video was him talking about Pee Wee Roscoe. And in the interrogation video, he was saying that Pee Wee used to hold Wayne and them drugs. And people were saying that that was snitching for him to even say that. But he basically, Doug was trying to say that he was trying to throw them off from the murder just by, like, throwing a little drug case on them. How do you feel about that? Do you feel like Doug was snitching? He wasn't snitching.

1:14:38I'm going to be real. With that right there, he wasn't. You say you want to convince the police that you're telling the truth, right? So what you got to say, man, he ain't do this. But, you know, he might shed a little weed. You know what I'm saying? It's telling. You know what I'm saying? But it's really not. The police didn't investigate the boy for selling weed. Nobody cares about that. It's like a non-crime. Right. And through a mind, he not even thinking it. Because when nobody be thinking it, because you're trying to finish the police. If you told the police he's got 100 pounds of weed in his apartment but now we're talking about something that they might conceivably give a fuck about.

1:15:13But you gotta apply them to their rules by what they believe. So Thug said, where the rat? It don't matter what I said in interrogation. Who brought you home? So you came home and you had a conversation. After that conversation me and him had I don't talk when I tell you something. I stand on it. when you came home and you put in this song, we're a rat. I said, okay. You're a rat. Because if I brought you home and you considered me a rat, you signed the interrogation room. No matter what you said, you told. So I could break down a lot of things in that interrogation, but I was just like, man, I'm leaving him alone.

1:15:53You know what I'm saying? He can't deal with the pressure. We might not know that stood out to you. Because you said that he told a lot of lies in the interview, and then obviously the stuff in the interrogation video that you were recognized, you being involved. But what's something that stood out to you that you was like, that's a flat-out lie? From a criminal, a convicted felon, a street nigga, bro. If you ever in the streets pretend to be gangsta, and the police got you in that interrogation room, you got butterflies for one, bro. You can't eat. You just poon and got a shit. Any nigga that's sitting there eating some food, what rat's going to do?

1:16:29Rat's going to eat? Nigga, you put some cheese down, bread, that rat going to get it. so niggas seen that motherfucker eating I bet you ain't even seen no wood eating none of them interrogations I had the bubble guts you feel me I'm gonna see them bottled up knocks in my stomach so when I seen a nigga comfortable eating I ain't even think about it being a bologna sandwich how the hell could you eat and I been in the interrogation room three four times never ate not one time in them did they offer you any food yeah they offer everybody food cause they want you to be comfortable See, I can't. I got to be on my feet.

1:17:06Man, you feel what I'm saying? I'm praying. Bro, think about it, bro. If y 'all, all the time y 'all don't see me, no. Watch me on social media. What reason would I be in the interrogation room doing this? Just be real now. Let's break it down. Case over with. What reason would I be checking my polls in the interrogation room? You don't think, bro, listen to my other interview. I watch Cops all day. I watch Fresh Free. I do all that. Yeah. Why did you check your polls? Remo stop playing bro Nigga I'm being for real I don't recall You wanted to make sure that you were Putting on a good performance and that you didn't look We got a winner I just feel like your pulse is something that like You can tell but they can't really tell what your pulse is By looking at you even though Maybe if you start sweating So let me tell you something Adam If you're in a interrogation room If I'm snitching my nigga Let me tell you, first of all, the gun that they were locking me up for, I told them to let the person go.

1:18:06There's two of us in the car. They found a gun in the backseat on the driver. If I'm snitching and I'm telling them, I'm telling them, hey, look, this is this nigga's gun. Or this is the person who got away's gun. Not one time did you hear me say that. This is a fact. I'm going to jail. I'm snitching on a nigga and I'm doing all this telling. But I'm going to jail to do time for a gun that ain't mine. It just don't make sense. But I don't have to point that out to irrelevant people. why'd you say that you think that Rallo is more real than Young Thug given how they both handled their respective cases I don't think I said Rallo more real than Thug but I give props to Rallo because it's like

1:18:52what you ask again you said I believe that Rallo Rallo came out looking realer in his case than Thug ended up looking in his case. I say that because when you ask everybody who Rallo told him, the person they said Rallo told him, he's on a phone call talking to Rallo, saying Rallo ain't told. So was Pee Wee Roscoe. What about it? He's saying that young Thug ain't telling him. What did you watch when you watched that interview? Fuck what Pee Wee Roscoe talked about. Pee Wee Roscoe done did it with a train vest, bro. No, all right. So, look, you said, what did we watch from watching the interrogation?

1:19:29Adam, did you do it with a train vest yet? No. Would you? No, I'm not down. Pee Wee, man, stuff ain't. All right, so, look, we just talked about that. You just said that you don't feel like Thug was snitching in the interrogation. He was trying to throw him off with the weed shit because they were trying to look for the shooting. So, Pee Wee's on paper or Pee Wee's on the phone saying that Thug didn't snitch on the media. Out of everybody that went on that case, we threw it, right? Mm-hmm. Who the only person that look good that came out on their own with no employment? Pee-wee Roscoe. He got jewelry on.

1:20:03Nobody else in Wife besides Gunna got jewelry on. You feel me? But Pee-wee stands out to me because he's the only person. Where Pee-wee getting the money from? That got discussed in the interrogations and that got discussed in the phone calls who came out and defended Thug right away. So you're saying he got cashed out for that defense? Hey, Thug, this ain't got nothing to do with you. They got everything to do with you. She never brought my name up. Listen, bro. Y 'all think Pee-Wee Roscoe ain't knew what Thug did back in 2015? That's why he kept him close. You feel me? As in what he said in the interrogation room?

1:20:39Let me... What reason would Thug be keeping Pee-Wee so close? Duke is your man. You were fucking with Roscoe, but you ain't fucking with... One thing Duke would never do, Duke would never go against Thug. Don't y 'all know in Duke, he said, why it said ain't a game, it's a label. He the only one said that in his plea. No, but y 'all done pay that no attention. Even through the process of what Duke went through, he stayed real for Thug. You feel me? But Duke ain't out here wearing jewelry and nothing like that. And Thug ain't called Duke no public. And said Duke ain't did nothing wrong recently.

1:21:14So why you doing... Man, look, fuck Pee Wee. Pee Wee, a bitch. You push him on the ground. He know not get up. Don't get up, nigga. He gonna stay on that ground But you think that Pee-wee's getting Taken care of For life by Thug Because he knows Where the bodies are hidden Metaphorically Thug a real street nigga He ain't taking care Of that nigga He playing him close It's a difference Don't Pee-wee look bro Call an academic Hey You gonna start all this You the one Put Thug under the gun If I were Thug I'd knock Pee-wee head out You feel me Why you feel like He put Thug underneath the gun The little wainson Because Nah Pee-wee got on the internet right in his mouth.

1:21:53You know not get on the internet to my old niggas. You brought Rolo up. Rolo ain't got nothing to do with what's going on over here. I think it sounds like Thug approved for him to be on those phone calls. From what I'm hearing, it sounds like Aiden Ross was in talks with Thug and they was doing the live stream and I think Thug probably plugged Aiden Ross with Peewee Roscoe because how would he even have the relationship with Peewee? And that's why Thug clung the gun. Because Peewee tried to be your voice. And he started talking shit about you calling you a snitch. Yep. And guess what? One thing about me, when I speak, I got the facts with it.

1:22:26It's just when I want to put it out. Why did, uh, so why you and Pee Wee never really, or don't get along? Why would he go in there solo? Pee Wee would never open his mouth around me. Nope. Not a word. Not a word. Mm-mm. Pee Wee, Roscoe would never open his mouth around me. Nigga. Now, one word. So when nigga want to get on these phones, cause Pee Wee's standing alone. Why everybody think he's in Miami, they nigga in the alone. Yeah, Wax said he live in Thug Condo out there or some shit. Then he gonna learn. Stop playing. So he out there where you at and... I got God in my life, my nigga. Yeah.

1:23:06I don't care how stupid I talk. I let nigga know I'm still Woody. So please proceed with cautious. Shit, one thing Dolly White said, and I know you and Dolly White have a good friendship because it's like old pictures of y 'all. Yeah, that old. Me and Dolly ain't talked in years. Oh, so y 'all not friends or anything? No, we not friends. I ain't no enemy either. I love Dolly, and if somebody put their hand on her, I'm one car all the way. They already know that. I always thought you and Dolly had, like, a good relationship. Like, back in that scene. Nah, that's her brother. She love her brother.

1:23:35You know what I'm saying? So if she feel like we did wrong with her brother, she gonna stand beside her brother. It's only right for her sister to do that. Yeah. My sister stand beside me. How did you and Dolly White relationship be informed? Like, how was y 'all friendship? Dolly was right there with her. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she crazy. She like the older sister that's around type, right? Now you just a sister, they just love their brother. You feel what I'm saying? They want to be around their brother all the time. I ain't do it. Well, one thing that she said that people was giving her backlash for, because they felt like she shouldn't have jumped on the internet and said this, but she said that a lot of reason that a lot of people going around talking the way they're talking about Thug and saying all this shit about Thug is because Thug can't come back to Atlanta.

1:24:14So they feel like since Thug can't come back to Atlanta, that it's free reign for them to say whatever they're saying about Thug. But she said if Thug was in Atlanta, niggas wouldn't be saying none of the shit they saying now. What Thug being in Atlanta got to do with it? He got a phone? I mean, I don't know. That's what she said. Thug being in Atlanta. Word. Then he going to show up at some schools? I guess he don't live there full time, so he might be in and out. I mean, he's not allowed to live in the metropolitan area. What Thug standing in Atlanta going to change? I don't know that. A lot of people are speaking out now because it's an opportunity.

1:24:46They got a voice now. People been saying stuff. People been feeling some type of way. Ain't nobody untouchable. Nobody. But is the vibe now that before, if you talk shit about YSL, then something might happen to you, and now do people feel like you can say whatever you want about thugging YSL and nobody's going to do anything? All his old homies are gone. It ain't that. It just, bro, like a lot of us are grateful to have another chance in life. So you know what I mean? Especially me. I live my life every day. I swear to God, I'd be so caught up in my shit. I'd be like, God damn, but I'm free. Boom.

1:25:27So, Rallo said that he used to see Thug around and shoot at him every time he saw him. You used to be around Thug a lot. You ever catch a stray from Rallo? What? What? I was not expecting to hear anything like a yes right there. This nigga didn't play. Really? Hell no, they ain't play, boy. You know, Rollo Neal show up 100 deep, boy. About 40 of them niggas don't go. You feel me? But they just how it is in Atlanta. You feel what I'm saying? Ain't nobody no pussy. You feel what I'm saying? What you and Rollo beefed in from back in the day? Yeah, why was Rollo shooting at thug? They were shooting at, I ain't trying to put their bin out.

1:26:07They were shooting at each other, though. Yeah, it's up everywhere. Right. But see, Rollo Neal, they were violent. And they were deep. They come in the club 100 deep everywhere they go. So we don't care. We going to whatever club we going to. Like, okay, so Thurtonem from over here. I'm from over here. Rallo and them from over there. My side and Thurtonem side, all of us, always been good. Rallo and them in the west side. We're Luchinem, right? No, no, no, no. Luchinem is our side. But we just, back then, we wasn't enemies. We were all cool. So it was like the whole zone three versus zone one.

1:26:40so zone one would be only consist of Simpson, Rollo, and them and Boyd Horn, MDC now so they'll go to the club together but I grew up in Boyd Horn around MDC so I knew a lot of them but Rollo, them boy Rollo, them, them motherfuckers we go back at them though we busting first on them too though yeah so thank god we ain't never physically took nobody out yeah Yeah, but Rallo Neal used to beef with Thug Neal and beef with my hood too. So if all of us together, you know, all of us going to go against them. Yeah, I had a lot of shootouts with them niggas with Rallo Neal. I did. A whole bunch of them.

1:27:25It's just hard for us to imagine that all these rappers are just having sort of like casual shootouts when they see each other. He was who he was before he became a rapper. Yeah, but I'm saying even like just dudes just consistently just shooting it out all over Atlanta, not getting caught, no cases from it. Why you think Pee Wee shot up Lil Wayne Torbos anyway? That nigga didn't do that. Really? He just, he just he was one of the niggas they thought Woods was gonna be. Go do that time, boy. Pee Wee just ain't know how to stand up for himself. Yes, sir. He ain't gonna go do that time. Just so happened niggas got money and you can blackmail niggas.

1:28:01Didn't Roscoe make TMZ for coming out to tell on Thug and Birdman? Oh, y 'all forgot that, honey. He kind of threw Birdman in him underneath the bus. He was rousing this shit. Then what happened? He overturned his sentence and he came home. Damn. Ain't that something? Y 'all miss that too. But you feel like, so you think he didn't do it? No, nigga, he didn't do it. Didn't I tell you, Pee Wee the Rock, don't get your ass off that ground. Didn't I tell you that's the type of shit? You must know some shit. Bro, I'm rooted, bro. I'm from a Canterville, but I ain't from Johnborough South. I ain't from Cleveland Avenue.

1:28:35I'm from a Canterville, but. And where Pee-wee from? What part he from? I don't know. Pee-wee is just, Pee-wee, Pee-wee was around because he was, him and Thug, he introduced Thug to Birdman. Word. So that's why he was around. Pee-wee wasn't on our type of time. What about Nut? What type of nigga Nut was before all the beef and shit? How much time did y 'all really spend with him? Because I seen Thug recently say that him and Nut really didn't have no beef and the shit really came from the entourages and it made it, like, that's where it heated up. But he said him and Nut was really straight.

1:29:11Huh? Alright, better question then. Why do you think Thug had a problem with Nut eventually? Was it jealousy? Was it the music? Like, where would that even come from? I honestly don't know. That shit ain't had nothing to do with the Rooster, though. If we had smoke, bro, and I got any type of respect for you, you ain't got to worry about me harming you. Did any of y 'all have friendships and shit at one point? Yeah. Shell, Kel, Nut, was all y 'all hanging out? So look, look. Zone 3 is a zone. Yeah. You got different hoods in it. So Nut and them was from 4th Ward, but Nut and them ran with Zone 3, which is Summerhill.

1:29:54Summerhill, right? All right. One time I was on the run and I was with Slug from Cleveland Avenue, Tick. Tick and Nut had a relationship. So Tick and Nut was on the phone. He was telling Nut I was on the run, this and that and third. Nut like pull up at Club Crucial. I got something for you. I was like, damn, that nigga don't even know me like that. And he going to give me some money to hide out. That's where my respect started for him. Until he break that respect, me and him ain't never going to have a problem. He never broke that respect. So when I end up with his jewelry, let me tell you something, bro.

1:30:25I ain't taking nothing to give it back. You feel me? Yeah. When I end up with his jewelry, and I'm like, but it's nuts, ain't it? It's nuts stuff. Hey, man, I got your stuff. Come get it. Why would I give you your stuff if I'm taking it? So it wasn't those, because you know, when niggas say, come get it back, it wasn't like, come buy it back, or it was like, I'm going to give it back. Oh, you gave it back. Yeah, I didn't charge nothing. I said, hey, man, I'm in my can of here. That nigga pull up in my hood, him and three, four, he's punished. Got it back. I mean, who I got it from? I said, you know, we ain't doing all that.

1:30:55You know what I mean? He was like, yeah, that was the end of the day. That shit was over with. You know what I mean? Because at the end of the day, you got all your stuff back. So was his chain, did y 'all take his chain intentionally knowing it was his shit? We didn't take none. You know what I mean? We didn't take none. Somebody came like, hey, look what I got. Boy, I'm like, everybody knew it was a nut chain. It was a peanut. You feel me? Yeah. Man, that nut shit. You know what I mean? Nah, man, y 'all can't be doing that. You know what I mean? they such a you know what I mean whatever they big dog you feel what I'm saying like nigga fuck with y 'all like man who them nah man get this nigga his shit back who make those type of phone calls though is that dog like man get a nigga I'm from McKinneyville word ain't no nigga can't tell me nothing that ain't from my neighborhood yeah what nigga from my neighborhood can't even tell me so McKinneyville niggas broke and got his shit that's what it was nah nah I don't recall who got it but I know I ended up with it so I was just like oh nah we gotta get none of his shit back you feel me like no we ain't doing that but you giving him the chain back didn't stop anything I guess shit just still was escalating to where it was at so it wasn't like a me and Shell Kel problem was me and his you feel me him and Shell Kel and Nut brothers though like biological brothers correct something like that like Shell Kel brother is Nut brother something like that you feel me I don't know them personally I know them I know Shell Kel personally so you and Shell Kel had beef and shit prior to the chain being stolen We didn't have beef, bro Like, look, so we're going to club They be deep, we be deep They flesh money, we flesh money You feel what I'm saying?

1:32:28Sherry Kel was just a gay nigga Like, he was jealous You feel what I'm saying? All the girls wanted me You feel what I'm saying? I got hella heart Ain't nobody finna make me back down You feel me? I don't care So, he was jealous I cut him down bad Hey, bro, listen, bro What's up? Now he ain't nothing We squash it You feel what I'm saying? But like I said, if you my nigga, bro, ain't nothing moving without you. You feel what I'm saying? I ain't leaving you out there by yourself. Niggas thought they were going to press you. Nah, we ain't doing it. You feel what I'm saying? However, however. And it went from there.

1:33:00They didn't have nothing to do with what happened with nobody else. Yeah. But when you say got pressed, who got pressed? Y 'all care? Nah, hell nah. I said nah, if a nigga tried to press you. Oh, word. Like, if a nigga like, hey, what's up with Remo? I'd be like, none. She, you know what I mean? Boy, hey, Remo, man, ain't nothing going. I'm standing up for you behind your back. Yeah. I ain't going to come and tell you. You know what I'm saying? Because at the end of the day, we scratch this. So whatever going on, if it's between me and you, it's between me and you. But now you're trying to tell you, okay, now we ain't doing that.

1:33:28Ain't that weak over here. So then y 'all are, because then shit escalated, obviously, because then there was a situation where Duke got punched in the face outside of Magic City by Shel Kellerman. I was in jail. Word. Yeah, I was in jail. But y 'all already had beef, though, at the time, though. So I guess even if you and him was piecing it up or y 'all were still beefing, other people was getting involved. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were chasing people around, beating people up. You know what I'm saying? On Eastside. On Eastside. You feel what I'm saying? You get caught, you get beat up. And everybody who got caught, like we got beat up.

1:33:56Ain't nobody defending themselves. Do you regret stealing the shame? I never stole it. Or do you regret that situation happening? Do you feel like that was a catalyst for it? Why would I give it back? If it was anything bad and my intention was negative, I would never give it back. If I didn't want the change and I'm willing to give it back, I could have just stole it away. and never let it be told about. You feel what I'm saying? But why you feel like Thug just want to put it on you, though, so bad? Because out of all that, everyone's out of jail. Why even make that statement and say that Woody caused the whole war?

1:34:27The same reason he made all them jail calls. But he was being sincere, and them jail calls, they just happened to be leaked. He literally just did this interview like a week ago, and he's still standing on the fact that he felt like you caused the war. Because somebody I know, I'm only assuming this part, Somebody I know posted Brian Steele opening statement. What was Brian Steele opening statement? You got to understand, it's hard not to watch me. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You never know what they expect next. Hell, I don't even know what they expect. But in Brian Steele opening statement, he said, Woody, let me introduce y 'all who Woody is.

1:35:00They kicked, they punched it. You don't do that to Kenneth Copeland. The FBI said I'm top 10 dangerous person. So people believe in this shit. You feel me? Yeah. But now it's like, damn, your lawyer putting all the blame on Woody. so what Thor gotta do he gotta get in front of that so y 'all saying he snitching in interrogation but his lawyer putting all the heat on me saying I did this and giving the police giving the state reason giving the motive this is why I did it so it's like damn nigga y 'all the state to me y 'all prosecuting me but are they doing that as a strategic play because they know you got immunity so it's like let's throw it on a nigga with immunity and shit because he ain't gonna go to jail for this shit so why would Thor call me a snitch if I'm allowing that to happen why you calling me a snitch

1:35:44because I guess you got to go with the interrogation video so he still feel like like he even said like the phone call hold on the phone call 21 was saying that he felt like niggas jumped the gun and went out there and said gunner was a snitch too early so but people going around saying the same thing about you maybe he can't backtrack and be like nah would he not a snitch or because then people will look at him away for trying to backtrack on what's out there in the public so when you real bro when you real they're just what you are and when I say that, I'm saying from their perspective, real street niggas and shit, you are what you are.

1:36:14Any nigga that went through what we went through and came out of it, the way that thought came out of it, would have been appreciated. Despite what happened, because hey bro, ain't no more playing Vietnam. Everybody wrong. And I'm gonna mean it. I'm taking full accountability when I know deep down inside I ain't doing nothing wrong. Despite how we made it feel I did. You feel what I'm saying? Because at the end of the day, if anybody went through what I went through, we used to people wouldn't even be going to trial. Because everybody else want to live in the prison. Niggas only quiet because they got no choice but to be quiet.

1:36:48Because if you, like you say you are, why are you in the interrogation room? I wanted to ask about this. How do you feel about people saying that basically YSL went out sad, everybody ended up telling, and that in comparison, YFN, everybody stayed solid? So why you don't hear that from YFN? they're not really talking on the internet right they're not talking at all but i'm not dissing them i'm just saying the light is the voice or you feel what i'm saying everybody who have a voice is shining light on the ysm thing they're not shining light on yfn not saying they did tell or they didn't tell yeah you're gonna say if they go to digging it gonna be something different probably i know i ain't saying it is i'm just saying assuming i mean lucy has had some big records over the years, but he just never had the sort of cult fan base that Thug had, or YSL as a whole had.

1:37:40Luchi don't attract that crowd. Luchi don't get on the internet and pretend to be, so he ain't. He rapped about his lifestyle. So he's not attracting the wrong people. Thug start attracting the wrong people when he starts saying, gonna rap. So now he don't grew that fan base. The I Hate Rats fan base. So when you let them down, because clearly they know where the rat is. because when you start going off on rats you're really appealing to a very specific part of hip hop Gunna has shown us that the vast majority of hip hop fans if you make good music they're not really tripping about that it's character he shows great character Gunna put out so much positivity he surrounds himself with love see that's what niggas gotta understand street niggas surround himself with jealous hate envious but when you're a person that what you put out is what you you are so like with me the people who I see they love me my nigga they scream coming from the airport here we seen it in real life but y 'all seen it in real life when y 'all been in public with me including like a lot of very small children like we were at the corner store there's like a 10 year old girl freaking out we go to the bowling alley right after that a squad of little girls freaking out screaming about Woody.

1:39:02It was just this realization of like, oh, this is not, these are not like hardcore YSL fans. These are TikTokers. These are people who are just seeing the clips and to them, you are one of the funniest people on earth. 94-year-old cop. I just love you, baby. 94! Man, I don't care what nobody ain't nobody got no 94-year-old loving me. Because them people ain't even trying to watch nobody. They say they watch me every day. 90 years old. There's more than one. So, you know, me at the end of the day, but I'm being my authentic self. I ain't faking up attending. I ain't lying on nobody or trying to hate on nobody.

1:39:39So you and Thug did have a conversation when he got out of jail initially? No. So y 'all never had any... Y 'all haven't talked since he's been out? No. Not when the word, since he's been released. Word. Yeah. How do you feel? Because people were trying to say that Thug is scared to you because in the interview, he said that he don't really say too much about you because you take medicine. So people took that as like he's saying, was he crazy or was he really crazy? Like, would he do something? I wouldn't hang around nobody that scared me. Thug ain't scared of me at all. But he said, he know I really love him.

1:40:13He know I really got his back. I have showed him more than one time. Even in times he feel like he probably didn't deserve it. I have shown him I got his back. So that's why I got mad at myself for even speaking out so quick. You feel what I'm saying? But it's like, damn, my nigga. You feel what I'm saying? You trying to push the people, bro. Go with the facts. But when I see you trying, I got to remind you, though. You feel what I'm saying? But we both could be two crash outs. Wow. You said that you don't take medicine. Why would he go in there and say that you take medicine? That's why he don't say shit about you.

1:40:44I don't know, bro. Like, Thug wasn't, he wasn't in control of himself. So he was just talking, just to be talking. You see, he made sense. Nothing he said made sense. Y 'all ain't never seen Thug like that. He always tries to seem to be so smart in his interviews. Go back and look at me and our Riffin gang. Go back and look at all his other interviews. He tries to seem so smart. But with Big Bang, he's just so vulnerable. He's just saying anything that comes to his mind just to get the heat off of him. It seems more like he got a country that everybody turning against him, so he's trying to find something to hold on to to help somebody have his back.

1:41:19You ain't got to be scared, nigga. I still got your back. It's against the world. To this day, you still got his back? To a certain extent. If I got to jeopardize, you know, turning back on my family, no. Yeah. Would you be willing to have, like, a sit-down with you and him? Like, you and him have a conversation? Even if it's off-camera, on-camera, but, like, just a real genuine conversation? This is my genuine conversation right here. He want to know how I feel. All you got to do is listen to me when I speak on him. But me and him sitting down, bro, it's just like you knew better. And you still choose to do what you did.

1:41:50If the world didn't go against you right now, this wouldn't be a topic. You feel what I'm saying? because you're behind nigga back and say, hey, don't do business with him. Hey, don't work with him. You're doing this to so many people, and then now people ain't able to eat, so now what people gotta do? Go back to what they know. It's alleged, but they're saying that his album is pushed back because some of the features have to be replaced, which makes us feel that maybe people like Future, I don't know, maybe Drake? Nah, he ain't really just Drake like that, right? But like... Enough, though, where Drake can feel the way, but also Drake...

1:42:18And maybe Drake just don't want to be in all the mess. He don't want to be the only superstar rapper on the project if everybody else is pulling out. We don't know. But either way, that's pretty wild if his position has changed that much in the game. It seemed more like a publicity stunt to me because ain't Luchy date the same day? Didn't they just do that twice? Didn't Luchy change his date to the 26th? And after all, they changed his date to the 26th? I'm not sure. Is that true? No. I'll have to check on Luchy. We hearing rumors that they got music together. So we just waiting to see. You heard that rumor.

1:42:47How would you feel after all this if Thug and Luchy actually came together? So I got an interview. I did with, I think, Denzel. And he said, what would be something that can change a little? I said, if Thug and Luchi come home and put it besides their differences, right? They both came home and, you know, from what we're hearing, they put them aside. Yeah, because when... But working together is different. When Lil Baby came out on stage and brought Luchi out, that to me was clear as day. Like, Lil Baby's one of Young Thug's closest friends previously. I don't know about now. And he brought out Luchi on stage.

1:43:21That to me was like 100 % this beef is squashed because there's no way that thug would ever allow little baby to do that otherwise. Oh, right. And you said you didn't respect him for that because you felt like he should have been able to do that for Gunna. Right. Why would you squash the beef with Lucha to have beef with Gunna? Blood been shed, my nigga. Blood been shed with Lucha now. But this is a brother of yours that didn't hurt you in no way. Just wanted to go home to his family. Nobody want to sit in jail, especially somebody who ain't, you know, with their criminal activities. So if you were to scratch the beat with Gunnar and you scratch the beat with Lucha, we would be like, yeah, nigga, that's how you handle that.

1:44:02That's what a real man do. But you don't scratch the beat with the enemy just to turn your friend to the enemy. So what's your thoughts on Lil Baby right now? How do you feel about Lil Baby and how he's handling the situation? I don't know, man. You know, I just pray that Lil Baby can just stay out of the way and continue to be successful. to continue to be motivational for us. Somebody got to win. You feel me? Bro, you feel like he's kind of like the last Atlanta star that people want to see win? I mean, somebody like Future is kind of so solidified. He could never put out another song and he's still a legend.

1:44:36It's like Thor have ruined so many friendships and relationships. And a lot of people know what Lil Baby tried to stand on. He tried to stand on what's right. And, you know, he got a good heart. You can see that Lil Baby got a good heart. you know what I'm saying but he just when you got the wrong people around you you know what I mean they get you caught up in the wrong shit do you feel like Young Thug wanna land him back with this interview hell nah man everybody be laughing at his head man I'm talking about as far as like his peers and stuff cause like usually like I just seen him in the studio with Southside so Southside obviously still rocking with him so like we thought that them niggas get this credit Southside if you sat right here and said gonna rap this and that and you wanna rap with Thug still you just You just putting a nigga penis in your mouth at this point.

1:45:21I don't know Southside, and I'm being disrespectful. I don't want a problem with nobody. You feel what I'm saying? But if y 'all ain't going to be right, be right all the way around the board. So you're saying that Southside looks bad by associating him with Thug right now? Damn. So, all right. So one thing that did go viral was when the snitch allegations came on Thug, everyone was going on saying that 21 Savage had unfollowed Thug. But then 21 Savage went on his way to make sure that he went and re-followed Thug, and everyone was like, oh shit, 21 Savage still fucking with Thug. How do you feel about 21 Savage kind of still fucking with Thug after all this shit, but then he kind of calling Gunnar a rat?

1:45:58I don't think I heard 21 call Gunnar a rat. Not necessarily call him a rat, but he alluded to the fact that he was a rat on the phone and that you should just extort him for 80%. So like, he didn't say that he's a rat, but he's saying like... 21 said what he said. Yeah. You feel what I'm saying? See, 21 stayed in his place. What I mean is that was 21 hundred of that call like a real OG. You feel what I'm saying? Like, alright, bro. Like, what's done is already done. Yeah, I mean, but this is how you should do it moving forward. You feel what I'm saying? So that, you know, you can benefit and have some type of control.

1:46:36One thing about a man, a man gonna wanna have control. Right? But, alright, so you feel like that's real nigga shit, though? So, like, if you feel like a nigga's a rat, then you shouldn't just be turning a blind eye to a nigga being a rat just so y 'all can make some money off the situation. It's different when you did what Gunna did and being a rat. Being a rat is going to interrogation room like the and talk to the police and doing what Gunna did was saying, yes ma 'am, to take a plea. How is Gunna rat if he ain't talking to no investigators? But he, they saying he ratted because he said he threw y 'all on the bus by saying y 'all committed crimes.

1:47:09Saying that, yes, I know. Duh, I rapped about us committing crimes. Fuck nigga trying to I swear to God, Louis, pop at your nigga. Yacht got it. Slug. They played all his lyrics in the court. Fuck nigga try me. I mean, not fuck nigga try me. Ill, ill, ill. Pussy nigga playing, get robbed by Tick. Whatever he said, you know what I'm saying? He rapped about all these stuff. They used his lyrics to try to say, okay, he's telling the truth. But truthfully, you know, he lined in the lyrics. I never popped in nobody's nugget for the up. I never. So I didn't count. But when they started making it a crime, like, oh, Lord, no, hold up now.

1:47:43So you tell me you did this on purpose? I need to know that. If you put me in this position on purpose, you need to come out and say this. I think he was trying to big you up at the time. Somebody was in my ear that put me ahead of it. Put me in front of it. I was behind it. So would you think he was, do you think he name dropped you in there just to like future proof? So the song was already made before anything happened. You feel me? Like the song was old. When Nut got killed, I'm the top of the investigation. Woody, Woody. Everybody's saying Woody did it. Everybody dry snitching. The police, all the police know is, damn, Woody did it.

1:48:23What are they doing? They're watching me. But they can't do nothing. You feel what I'm saying? My alibi is strong. I didn't do it. So they're like, man, something right. Every time they question me, I'm lying. Oh, shit, I heard these people did it. If you go back and listen to my interrogation, I kept lying in them. That's why I was telling the truth, understand. I lied every time they talked to me. It's proof that I lied. The state knew I lied. I mean, I can't say the prosecutors, but the investigators knew I lied. They kept saying it. That's why they weren't charging nobody. I gave interrogation in 2015.

1:48:56They locked nobody up in 2022, 2023. So if I'm telling everything, why are they taking all these years to go lock people up? Why they wasn't able to get a conviction? If I'm telling everything, One thing about it, bro, when, like, let's say, uh, case old daddy, I ain't trying to bring it up. I don't know nothing about it. But my thing, I heard they say case old daddy got on the sun and said, that's my son that ran in. My son did do this. I don't know nothing about the case. I'm not hating. I'm not getting any involved with this. I'm just saying, when I watched it, I'm like, damn, but he sealed that deal.

1:49:30And then the jury came back guilty. Because he convinced me that that's his son and that he did it. you don't think I can convince people to believe what I gotta say if I didn't convince this you don't think I can't convince you to believe me let's just be real how did you act you and Yak get back cool because you had some things to say about him recently you said a few things about him recently and I seen y 'all together and I was like alright so I guess y 'all pieced it up one thing about it man I'd rather have a brother that been through the struggle with me than somebody with no experience you feel what I'm saying We learn.

1:50:06We know not never be put in that position again. And our love for each other's real. But you said that you used to pull up over there and knock the niggas out. Knock who out. I ain't know. Me and Yat met because I tried to bully the dice game. And Yat went scared. He stood up to me. Everybody stopped us. You know what I mean? We going to go at it. Yat bigger than you. Probably going to beat me up too. But I will come back. Yeah, man. You can't beat me up, man. It hurt. But I seen Yat had heart. You know what I mean? and we connected right then and there. When did y 'all reconnect, though? Y 'all had conversation, like, recently, and how did y 'all get back on the phone?

1:50:42Because you said some shit on him. Yeah, he reached out to me. So, like I said, everybody who I, if you see me with, they reached out to me. And, you know, I find on my heart, if I give him some, I forget him, and they don't move, like, just let it be. But, yeah, he reached out to me, and I told, yeah, from my heart, I said, God gave you another chance. Take advantage of it. Make all the right decisions. Stay positive. And he was like, yeah, my brother, you right. You feel what I'm saying? I'm proud of you, man. I thank you. I got a lot of thank you. Yeah, I did. Yeah, for real. What about Slug and Tick?

1:51:13Y 'all got any relationship? You talked to anything? I got a lot of thank yous. Oh, even from them? I just got a lot of thank yous. Word, I got you. Yeah, man. Everybody, you know, who you don't see in the media, they're just trying to move forward with their life. The fame was forced on me due to the fact of my testimony. I got to deal with it, and I'm making money to it, So I was a poor nigga with nothing. I'm very appreciative. Yeah, I thank y 'all for booking me. All right. I hope you wash your hands. Thank y 'all so much. But you know, this is how it goes. Let me ask you this. Are you, because at one point you were rapping.

1:51:48You were trying to be a rapper and stuff. I've seen some of your old music videos, like before all this. Are you happy? Like, even though it's kind of bittersweet, but like, are you happy with the fame that you got now? And you've been able to share your life story? No, I ain't happy, but it bring in an income that, you know what I mean, I can't complain about. I'm grateful for. So I'm not happy because, like, I try to do normal stuff. I'm used to doing things myself. I'm recognizable. State to state, city to city. So it's like, damn, man. Even if I'm trying to be sneaky, I can't be sneaky. Then people out here chasing clout, they mention my name and everything.

1:52:27You feel what I'm saying? They got to understand I still deal with mental health. Mm-hmm. If any person that go to jail that got trauma, that's a mental problem. I've been in jail. I've been knocked across the head, coverage, dirt bites, hundreds of shootouts. Yeah. Yeah, man, so. Can I just ask this? When you came to L.A. recently with Setty Nash, you went to the Rolling 60s, and then afterwards, L.A. style, there was a whole lot of online politicking about, oh, you brought this guy who allegedly cooperated, etc. Like, what did it feel like to, you know, go to one of the most famous hoods and have it become so controversial like that?

1:53:04You think Setti set you up? No. I don't think it had anything to do with me, to be honest. Because if it had anything to do with me, you know, they could have did something to me. So he had, you know what I'm saying? But all this stuff on social media is like, damn, what the hell this is? It's about clout. You feel what I'm saying? Because I'm pretty sure Setti Nassin just take me out there without getting approved. But I think Setti and you were just, you're not thinking of yourself like a snitch. And Setti's not thinking of you that way either way. Man, let me tell you something. It ain't about thinking like a snitch.

1:53:37If you know that, bro, we street, bro. So we think about the possibilities. If you know I got a lot of controversy behind me, why are you taking me over there? So me personally, I just play stupid. And I'm like, well, what? You know, I ain't scared to go nowhere. But if y 'all want to take me out there, I'm like, okay, cool. You know what I'm saying? When I got there, the love was so real. and it was just like, I love those people out there, right then and there. From the gang life, it made me think I should hate Crips. So to be embraced by Crips, I was like, damn, they sure love. But I seen that way back in my time.

1:54:08When I became the gang member, I started liking the opposite. I started liking the odds. The odds were more real than me. You know what I'm saying? For real. So even if it was another blood set, the gang I was a part of, all of us was the same. You feel what I'm saying? We all act the like. But being out there in the L.A. hood, though, you know, man, this shit was, you know, niggas, not one time did I feel uncomfortable. Yeah. And, you know, like I said, you know, the respect was mutual. Whatever happened, you know, I don't know how L.A. operate, you feel what I'm saying? But, you know,

1:54:50yeah, I don't know, bro. You know what I mean? Like, I shot sitting there. You know, he made sure I was okay. This, this, this, at the end of the day, you feel what I'm saying? Anything could have happened to me. He made sure I got home safely. I don't think, yeah, I don't, I don't think those dudes, like, felt any type of way. It's just that then they post up a photo and all of a sudden you got all the fans talking shit, trying to stew up narratives, trolling, whatever. And then they feel like they got to say something. They like to keep the community divided, bro. So, at the end of the day, like, like I told, I said it, bro, you feel what I'm saying?

1:55:20Like, you're going to always be my nigga. You know what I'm saying? Nobody going to ever change that but you. Anytime Cunna Leonard, he's great. I don't care who I had to crash out on by City Nash. Doug, whoever y 'all feel like I, but don't mess with my nigga. As long as he my nigga, but don't mess with him. This is it. They say Wack 100 did all this. Like, man, you know, Wack hit me up one day. Like, hey, let's do this skit. I ain't with this skit, bro. Don't take me for a joke, bro. I don't want nobody to take me for a joke. I want a person to take me for a human being. So he's like, Wack started all this with the stuff he on.

1:55:57I'm like, man, Wack going to make me push him on the ground until he don't get up. There's got to be a secondary meaning for that, that we're not catching, huh? Nah, I actually had a conversation with Wack on the phone. Wack pretty high. You know what I mean? He just messes up, man. He's like a fat girl. Yeah. Yeah. He loves to gossip and do the drama thing more than, like, almost anybody else in his age bracket. Yeah. How do you feel about people trying to say that the Atlanta era is over now and they trying to dub it Ratlanta and shit? How do you feel about people trying to say the Atlanta music era is over?

1:56:32People gonna talk. But guess who they watch? Atlanta. Guess who they wanna be like? Atlanta. Don't matter how they wanna say it. You know what I'm saying? I see all these people be like, oh, man, Atlanta niggas wear pink. Come out here playing. Bitch, don't make it back home. You feel me? Don't make her click up. because that's something we do in the heart league but when we were in atlanta about a year year and a half ago uh where we spent some time with you and everything there was multiple different things that we did like we go to magic city and everybody's like yeah it's cool but you wouldn't believe what this shit used to be like or like when we're talking about the music scene or whatever it's kind of like it used to that's very much the tone in atlanta is it used to be so thriving so popping and now it's in a little bit of a slump, which to be fair is hip-hop in general.

1:57:20Like five years ago, 56 % of the top 100 songs were rap songs and right now 4 % is. That's new. They killed the rap game. This new generation killed the rap game. They brought their feelings in it. When everybody else was rapping, it was about fun. You feel what I'm saying? Now it's like, okay, I got a call from a person who interviewed me, right? He was like, hey, what you think about me interviewing such and such? Do you and him have a problem? I said, straight up, I said, listen, I don't have a problem with nobody. Go make your money. I ain't no hate no no nigga. He said, yeah, I don't want to do an interview with him and, you know, if he bring you up and then, you know, it's not a problem with me.

1:58:00I said, get your money. That's what I truly believe in, right? And I don't like the person. What niggas is doing now, he's like, no, I don't interview him. Stop a person from eating. Stop a black ball. Yeah, that's what they did. So in Atlanta, that's what they do. There's a lot of artists that's in there now. From every hood, but you got these ones who are already in the face telling everybody else, hey, don't work with him. Black ball, hate him. You feel what I'm saying? And you break through it. You break through it. Look how money don't talk about me. Oh, man, woo, woo. Now, who the winning?

1:58:32Now you want to be my friend. And I ain't hanging on you. I still tell you, come on, let's get some money. And throw you a little hoop and try to help you out. You feel what I'm saying? Because at the end of the day, the gate been broke open. Thank you. So, you know, this Saturday, you know, I got a little event coming with the youth. And whoever rep, come up. We're going to record them, get them out in the subpoena to get them exposure. Because this is what they should have been doing. Y 'all know what it's like to be hungry. Young niggas want some opportunity. Why y 'all ain't getting nobody no opportunity?

1:59:01Y 'all from Atlanta. Y 'all co-signing niggas from other states and other towns. Why? Because you want to feel safe when you go to their community? So you're going to go click over the notorious gang out there. use them to feel comfortable to move in they town. Because y 'all niggas really ain't like that. I mean, that is real. Like, if you move to LA, your life would probably be way simpler, even LA being as hectic as it is. Whereas in Atlanta, all these old feelings and shit like that, you know, if you move to anywhere really besides Atlanta, it's probably going to be, like, pretty chill for you in comparison.

1:59:34Name one group that anybody, any celebrities came to Atlanta, and ain't that happy. King Von Lil Tim T.I. wasn't too happy about it What you mean? Beat Muppet's Eve T.I. They didn't disrespect Atlanta But T.I. He When they got in that shootout Outside the hookah lounge in Atlanta T.I. made a statement He was saying that All you out of towners and shit Stop bringing y 'all beefs and shit to Atlanta and shit Y 'all gonna come to Atlanta and stay positive But y 'all don't need to be Bringing y 'all outside beef to Atlanta That's only right Yeah 90 % of the time T.I. talking T.I. talking from a positive perspective.

2:00:12He's freaking saying the right stuff. They weren't trying to hear it at all. No, you can't control it. If Kevon decided he want to beat up Quanto Rondo right here and Latim want to protect your friend, you can't stop that. It ain't like nobody right there and y 'all trying to stop it and they want to keep it going and it ain't going on. Ain't nobody was able to stop what happened. But you're not going to come to Atlanta and think you're going to walk around and say what you want to say. You feel what I'm saying? You ain't. Niggas ain't coming to Atlanta running Atlanta if you ain't from Atlanta.

2:00:39I talk about my neighborhood I don't talk about Atlanta even when niggas get on platform and say if you see me ride my dirt bike I'm in somebody in your neighborhood but I don't get on here and say that because I ain't trying to start a problem with nobody from their neighborhood where was you at when you just wrecked your dirt bike recently and break down that day I was like close to Major City I was right behind Major City did a car hit you? a motorcycle so you was on a motorcycle I was on a dirt bike All right. But I just had to look at the video to remember. I didn't even remember getting on the dirt bike.

2:01:11But I was sitting behind a Durango and a nigga on the motorcycle with popping wheelies and stuff just trying to show out and ran right into me, man. Like, hit the car. That car can do you better goods than I can. You're going to hurt me, my nigga. Ran into that car. You want to show out and hit the car. I promised that car was going to catch him. And they put me in the hospital, man. Yeah, because when we seen that video, you laid out in the street, we thought it might have been done deal. Nah, man. I'm protected by the blood of Jesus, man. They can't kill me, man. Even if they kill me, man, I already snuck my name in the world forever.

2:01:47Come on with it. You still gonna see your kids watching videos? Daddy, he crazy. I was like, we can't let this dude die while he's still got the deposit. With the who? For the interview? Oh, man. We can't lose him before we get the interview in. And you know what happened? Isaac, I couldn't even get all the money back from their flight. Oh, for real? Yep. So I had to go, you know, rebook the flight. Oh, shit. I was like, well, you know, it's only right. I gotta do my part. Y 'all paid me. Y 'all did everything. Y 'all, yeah, I gotta do everything. DMX died with$10 ,000 from DMX's manager. Or Vlad died with having given $10 ,000 to DMX's manager for interviewing him.

2:02:32When Vlad died, man. God damn, man. Sorry, sorry. wrong with Vlad that's what you just said I just tried to say it two times DMX died Vlad had given his manager 10k for an interview never got the interview or the 10k he's supposed to man you gonna talk about me with 1090 Jake man so you're anti Vlad nah I ain't anti nobody I just like talk about me I'm talking about you but you don't fuck with Vlad because he said that you got mad at him for him having a conversation with, I think, Mondo about you. Nah, bro, he's like this. I'm gonna respect all that man. Even when I leave here, I might say Adam, piece of shit.

2:03:15I'm not bad for Adam. You feel me? These niggas will be in my face and be like, yeah, you know, woody, woody, woody, woody. And then now he's like, hey, how you feel about that rat woody or the snitch woody? You feel me what I'm saying? You gotta try to talk to me like that. As a matter of fact, I'm gonna correct you, bro. I'm a man. You feel me what I'm saying? Do you want me to call you up? Because you disrespect me, I'm gonna disrespect you back. You feel me what I'm saying? And I'm gonna wait on you like you want to go there. But in my face, I ain't going to allow nobody to disrespect me because I'm not trying to disrespect you.

2:03:40How do you feel when your name gets brought up in multiple interviews and stuff? Even if people aren't, like, they might bring up the topic of people calling you a rap, but they're not specifically calling you that. They're just talking about the situation at hand. How do you feel when you hear your name come up in multiple? So if people bring my name up, I say they're keeping me relevant. But when you bring it up and you're being disrespectful and I got some dirt on you, okay, I'm going to bring your name up too. I'm going to tell them how, whatever happens. There's a lot of rappers there. I got a whole bunch of dirt on them.

2:04:06And I'm talking about, like, not criminal-wise. I'm talking about when they play tough. Yeah. Trans accusations? Huh? Trans accusations? Like Roscoe? You keep those in the tuck? No, I don't keep them in the tuck. They were just one that. No pun intended. If it's somebody else, they're going to break the internet. Yeah. What? Two people. I got to get paid for that. Because when I put this out, let me tell you what I put with it. The facts. Yeah. him. Goddamn. Damn. But what about... Don't piss me out. You already know who you is. What about the relationship with Charleston White? Because that fell out for like the same reason that the vibe did, right?

2:04:42Is that he was just talking disrespectful about you after you guys had become friends? My thing is, bro, I don't play with my child. You feel what I'm saying? Like I said, words hurt no weak. You feel what I'm saying? I ain't weak no more. But my thing is, my nigga, when you talk and I forgave you and you like, man, you know, as a grown man, when you know right, you should do right. You know better, you do better. Charles Wright, on the other hand, he knew better. He talk about better. And every time you turn around, I stand for what you claim you want to see people stand for. The righteous, doing what's right, helping and leading and guiding.

2:05:18Man, nigga, you looking at me as a dollar. You try to trick me. I didn't get on the internet and say, oh, you had three, four interviews lined up for me, but I was only going to get paid for one. I'm not a cheap person. You feel me? because at the end of the day, if I'm going to move and I'm going to put my life in risk or anything for some money, I need to make sure that that money can help me with some of these bills or anything else. You know what I'm saying? So at the end of the day, when he had all my interviews set up, I'm like, nah, bro, that ain't how I operate. I play dumb on the internet, but I ain't making it for my life because I'm stupid.

2:05:56I mean, did you feel like you were sacrificing, like, You're doing content with someone like Charleston White, but in reality, that's not necessarily a person that you would be friends with if it wasn't for money. So you're kind of seeing that, the pain of doing content with people for money and then thinking that it's a real friendship when it might not actually be like that. So me and Charles White, see Charles White, get on here and lie. Me and Charles White, I built a bond. You know what I'm saying? A lot of times, you seen we was kicking, we were kicking it. I'm at the room right here, I pull up.

2:06:27And when I'm going places, you see I'm... Standing on it for him. You feel me? I'm risking my life for you. I don't got no weapon or nothing. But if anybody want to come try to get some clock, I'm ready to crash out. You feel me what I'm saying? So it's like you seeing this, you knowing this. Yeah. You comfortable every time you come around me. But I can see sometimes you're uncomfortable. You're putting people on cameras. Like, if anybody with me, they here to protect us. So, you know, we had a conversation. And I like that Charles White. You feel me? As a person, I thought I liked the way he stood for.

2:06:57So, you know, I ain't violating you. I ain't disrespecting you I let it be known I ain't the person that started I'm gonna try to be the one that finished it so when he did what he did the second time I'm like okay you ain't got no reason to talk about my daughter bro last time me and you was together bro I let you meet my daughter and I seen how she was towards you and I should have paid attention but I didn't because I'm like man you know I'm genuine so when he did what he did I'm like okay cool then he talked about my mama like boy my mama had the best son in the world boy so many mothers out here wish I was their child now I know my mama happy about me?

2:07:29Your mama ain't happy about you, though. But I ain't here to discharge white. Like I said, you know what I mean? I respected him. And I just wanted to see better from him. You know what I'm saying? I wanted him to help guide me, keep me on the straight path. But when he want to sit there and look at me like a dollar sign, you know what I'm saying? Like he'll say now, oh, you on that white white platform and you talking about me? Shut your bitch ass up. No, no, no. Lord, forgive me. Be quiet, bro. Because at the end of the day, bro, you know, I was open to, you know, put our differences aside. Let's get this money.

2:08:00Yeah. You feel what I'm saying? I mean, no disrespect to Charles White at all. No. You feel what I'm saying? It's just sometimes I get weak again, and I let my emotion take control. Because y 'all had a good little duo going. You think y 'all could ever piece it up and have a good conversation and maybe amend with y 'all? Because there's not no bloodshed. It was just words, right? But the thing about it is words hurt something. My child grow up and see that he talked about her like that. You feel what I'm saying? How would it make her feel? I don't see people talk about me. It made me feel some type of way.

2:08:29But I got strength. Everything I went through life gave me strength I have. A lot of people ain't got this strength. I've heard him talk a lot of good about you, too, recently, though, where he was saying that the reason that you're doing so good and so successful is because you and Donna came and found God, and y 'all doing the right shit in life. That's why you're reaping all the benefits, and he felt like thug turned to the devil. But he also reaching out to me, too. He messaged me, and he's talking to me. Oh, so what? Yeah. Oh, so y 'all still having a conversation? Because I can't I turn my back On my friend bro And he went When I got killed So I try not Turn on nobody That means something to me Even if I In a disagreement with you Cause I don't want it To be the last time We We We interact with each other You never know When somebody gonna go So when Charles White Mentioned me I read I respond back I want to forgive him Yeah I already forgive him Cause I'm not gonna hurt him Yeah Harm him Nothing He can say Make me wanna harm him but as in like moving forward nah my baby mama told me she be like you might never forget him I'll befriend with him I'll do business with him because he hurt her that much I can't so your daughter actually saw it my daughter's mother saw it oh okay but it hurt it hurt she like when all the time I spent in jail she had to do day by day with my baby since my baby been alive yeah he hurt her is this is this the daughter that just had surgery yes and is that the daughter that she was holding when they try to kill you?

2:09:56Yes. Word. That hit different. Right. And then I let him meet her the last time he had interact with each other. We went to the George Ware Aquarium. How many kids you got? I got two and one on the way. You got one on the way. Shout out to you. Congrats for that. Thank you. It would have been nice if you would have said it too, bro. Well, congrats. Nah, damn. You got you at this point. Nah, it's amazing. I mean, we all got to say it. What's something nice that you can say about Young Thug that people might not know? When y 'all did have a friendship, when y 'all were hanging out, what's some positive things that you can say about Thug right now, despite all the hate that he might be getting right now and shit?

2:10:36He's a good-hearted person. Some people have fucked up ways. You know what I mean? He got a good heart with messed up bad ways.

2:10:48Me, what I like about him was, and a lot of people are like, well, it don't make sense, but it's a lot of things that transpired. You know what I'm saying? A lot of things that happened. And, you know, we got through it. But, duh, you know what I mean? He showed me more to life. He can't even get me, took me on flights. My first time flying was with him. He showed me that it was more outside of Atlanta. But, you know, that didn't come with what he did because I also did things back. You feel what I'm saying? Up front, first. so it's like you know if you gonna use me my nigga like don't abuse me let me eat so when you saying that I take it as like he fucked with you cause of the shit that you might have done for him in the streets or he was looking at you like a send off nah just saying like you know I just said that he could have picked anybody to hang with and he chose me and why do you think that was though what drew him to you you gotta ask him that question You feel me like this question?

2:11:53I really don't know. You know, I can assume, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. If you had to assume what you think made him, what made you stand out? Cause he, Doug got money. He, he around a lot of people. Why was he so close and fucking with Woody though? He probably like my personality. You know, I assuming ain't going to be fast. But this was before you was rapping and shit too. It wasn't even a rap relationship. I ain't try to rap until like I got out of the feeds. Yeah. Just cause I was trying to find, you know, a direction. Like I said, when you spend that was my longest being in jail when you spend so much time in jail you gotta find yourself so I'm just searching for ways to find myself but even being around Thug and Birdman and all of them you never really thought like maybe I should give this a try like there was never a push to be honest Thug actually back then I'm like man go rap I said you crazy as hell see a rapper was a rapper I was somebody in the field so I'm like I can rap you know what I mean I was what am I rap about I remember watching that Dirty Go Bastard interview you did back in the day and that was like you trying to be a rapper.

2:12:54Yeah, that's once I got the feds. So when I'm in the feds and I'm reflecting on everything I've been through, because you got to understand, I had to deal with my interrogations when I was in the feds. Due to the feds, I'm like, damn, this shit ain't work. You feel what I'm saying? It worked later on down the line, but it didn't work when I thought of it. You feel what I'm saying? So it's like, shit, I'm still dealing with my conscience. So that's why I know it. You gotta deal with your conscience. Even if you feel like your attention was right, don't matter. You know it's wrong. Did you accept his apology when he apologized?

2:13:28He didn't apologize to me. It was like a broad apology, but it wasn't specific. His apology was to who he pacificed it to. Even on the song, how do you feel about the people he chose to apologize to? He apologized to Moriah. He apologized to Drake. Those are the people that matter to him. So you feel like it should have been some other apologies on that song? You don't got to apologize to me. Even if it wasn't you, you feel like he wronged other people and he should have, instead of giving Drake an apology, it should have been some other apologies warning you? First of all, you should not be apologizing to none of them.

2:14:09Because if they choose to walk away from you, they will never fuck you. At times, we supposed to walk away. We didn't walk away, my nigga. Man, Muntun's still in jail right now. Ain't got one dollar from you. Muntun in jail because he refused to sit right there and incriminate you. That's why Muntun in jail, right? And Muntun was the one that him and Shell K was messing with the same chick, right? For sure. Yeah, all right, for sure. You know what I mean? But my thing is, Muntun took a plea to go home. What Muntun did proved to the jury that people took these pleas to go home. He told the police to go home, they let him out.

2:14:48Now you're here to tell his truth, and they don't like his truth, so they put him back in jail. Damn, how long he got, you know? One day was too goddamn long. Yeah. I played a few, they put me in jail the weekend. That was the longest weekend of my life, and I did 51 months. Do you think Fonnie Willis is happy with the fact that the world is trying to call a dog a snitch? I don't know. I know she's a woman, a strong black woman that means business. Do you respect her? yeah I respect her you gotta respect her she ain't afraid but she took an L on the whole YSL trial she never took an L well she tried to prosecute one of the biggest rappers in the country and failed but I mean barely anybody ended up in jail I think overall it's viewed as kind of a train wreck

2:15:38but the stars escaped the stars escaped no he didn't escape boy, thug ass boy. He got a long ass probation sentence, sure, but like he probably could have beat that too. Not a probation sentence. He got a prison sentence on it. Suspended, right. No, if he get in trouble, he got a bid that he got to go do. Right. The way he acting, he better get the right people in his circle because if he don't clean the act up and understand that God pulled him through that process, the judge already showed she got no sympathy for I gave you another chance. You're going to go out there and be stupid. I'm going to baptize you.

2:16:17She gave me one to five years for violin. That condition. She gave him five. She's showing you if you come back, I'm going to do something to you. So why is y 'all playing with these people? What was your relationship with Unful? They still have a brother. You know what I mean? Did y 'all have a personal relationship? Yeah, we was alright. Alright, so one thing that did come from these phone calls. So, 21 was on the phone with Doug and And he was basically saying that niggas is taking pleas and pleading out or whatever. They snitching or whatever. And then he asked Thug on the phone, did you see your brother plea there?

2:16:53Like basically trying to say like your brother just took a plea. He damn near snitching too. On the phone, Thug said, nah, I didn't tell him to take that plea. He's a goddamn lie. He said that he told Thug on the phone. I mean, he told 21 on the phone that he didn't tell Unfun to take the plea. But then when he got out of jail, he tweeted out that he told Unfun to take that plea. And he said the reason that he told 21 that on the phone, because during the trial, I really wasn't supposed to be talking to each other or whatever. So he couldn't tell 21 that on the phone because it's recorded line.

2:17:21They would have known that him and Oonfuk had relationships. I mean, been talking or whatever. So with that being said, do you feel like him telling Oonfuk to take that plea deal is the same thing Gunna did? And how come he's not labeling Oonfuk as a snitch and everybody else is a snitch for taking that plea? the thing is if you saying gonna say yes man why is he a gang this and and third head in control whatever however you want to put it right okay there's one person saying it but ain't nobody else saying it that's one thing but if he saying it and then more people come behind him saying what is the difference all these people just clarifying that it's the truth right if one person said that's one thing but if multiple people said and you said you green light it the other people that said.

2:18:08Then if you communicate with them, you could be communicating with them through your lawyer. He said he greenlighted it after what he thought was gunner taking the first plea. But everybody got their plea in that same week. They can't meet with the plea. I was in jail too. I was in, I was in, I was in, I was on the, I just paroled out of prison and I was in the county jail waiting on, to go to court for a new gun charge. Yeah. The one where I was in interrogation room. I was wearing that wasn't my gun possession is 9, 10, 7 law you gotta get it off of me I didn't have no clue it was a gun in the car do you feel like Gunna taking that plea one of the even though he wasn't first like Thug said him being second do you feel like that motivated everybody else to be like well fuck it Gunna did it I'm gonna take it too they came to everybody the same week you hear me say that but they came to me Ms.

2:18:58Love came down to the damn jail and said hey listen why you ain't went to court I said cause y 'all holding me in jail I ain't stupid and y 'all holding me in jail. Y 'all gonna hold me in jail till y 'all gonna force me to testify in the trial. And I'm telling y 'all, y 'all ain't gonna like me. This is what I told them. I didn't care about sitting in jail. I told them that. They knew I didn't care about sitting in jail. So they put me on the stand. They knew I didn't care about going to jail. I showed the word. I played the filth. If these niggas didn't matter to me, why am I going to sit in jail to them, for them?

2:19:30If I'm a snitch, I'm a rat, why am I willing to go sit in jail? I ain't taking shit back. I'm protecting myself fuck how anybody else feel I mean hey you said that you saying some shit alright I got a few more for you do you believe Young Thug and Birdman was jealous of Wayne I don't know I mean I thought it was Wayne I thought Wayne was a problem but I don't know when you say you thought Wayne was a problem like Wayne not taking a liking to Young Thug, doing a bar to six and all that? I don't never get in business. I just know when I saw Wayne, he ain't gonna get out of the car where we was. We were chilling.

2:20:13Oh, so you actually got to meet Wayne and shit? Yeah. So break down that day when you met Wayne and how was the energy that... He didn't get out of the car. Word. And where was y 'all at? A studio. Miami or... Miami. Word. Yeah, he just didn't get out of the car. So I'm like, damn, they in tour for real? I thought it was fake. Thug around y 'all and stuff. And he's not getting out the car to meet Thug. No, we was leaving the studio. Yeah. And Wayne pulled up. But you know what I mean? He waited on us to leave before he got out. So I was like, oh damn, they beefing for real. Because I never heard Thug talk.

2:20:43Thug never talked down to Wayne. He was Wayne's biggest fan throughout his whole teenage years and shit. I just think Thug is a person that just gives credit when he feels his due. I don't think, you know what I mean? Like, I think he overplayed that part. Thug ain't type of nigga, you know. He liked it, Wayne, but the way that he put it out there like I feel like musically though like everybody thugs age who came up during that time period was like pretty much looking at Wayne as one of the goats for sure. Yeah Wayne treat me all my life I thought Wayne was just a gangster. For real he treat me.

2:21:16I looked up to Wayne you know what I'm saying I like that's what made me think that you know I was living the right life. They wrapped about it like shit they did it I can do it and get paid but truth of the matter is they were living a lie. I feel it. Do you feel like with the Pee Wee Roscoe situation was Thug... They said that Thug felt the way about Wayne not really accepting him so he sent Pee Wee out there to do whatever he... Didn't I tell you Pee Wee Roscoe didn't I tell you don't get your ass off that ground? Alright cool but Pee Wee ended up getting charged for it so even if you said he didn't do it he ended up getting charged for it.

2:21:54He got charged because the car... the car, they said it looked like it was PeeBee Rosscoe's car. It was PeeBee Rosscoe's car. That's why he got charged. But one thing that did come from it, he called Birdman immediately right after the shooting happened. I was in jail. So people felt a little weird. Like, why would Birdman be on the phone communicating with people who technically might have killed Lil Wayne or shot his tour bus up? And the phone call happened like literally in the midst. He probably didn't know. He probably didn't know. I don't know. I was in jail. I was locked up for shot lifting, I knew.

2:22:27and Henry County, go pull it up. I ain't never been to Henry County a day of my life. Here I go, seen in jail with shot lifting. So you've been around Birdman though? Like, Birdman showed you love? What was y 'all? They showed me a lot of love. Word. Yeah. Give me a Birdman story or anything that you... We walked in the store and they said, I can get whatever I want. I said, I want every shoe on these walls and my size. And the other dude, the nigga that was holding Birdman money, I'm like, nah, you only get one, two pair. I said, look, nigga, you talk to them. You don't talk to me. So I turned around and said, where are you going?

2:23:01Hey, man, you better get out of their face. You know what I mean? Birdman, what's up? Man, nephew, you get whatever you want. I said, you heard what I told you. Go get everything in my size. Them niggas, they got it. How many pairs do you think you got? Man, they had two pair of shoes in my size because of my shoes. What size is you? Bigger than you. I'm a 13. Somehow I doubt it. No, man, they ain't have my shoes. I don't worry about it. These things are squeezy, man. You got the opposite problem to me? You need small sizes. I need big sizes. They never have my shit because it's too big. You know, I got big shoes.

2:23:32They might don't look big, but they big. All right. But more of the stories, Birdman was down to like he was going to buy it all. Yeah, they told me whatever he want, he get. And I seen it. I was being petty. I want everything on my side. We didn't have no room to put it. Yeah, we did. Because Birdman had it bust. But I was like, damn, these niggas really love me for real. You know what I'm saying? What's your best moment from the good times when YSL was together and everything was good? What's a good moment that you remember where?

2:24:03The love, you feel what I'm saying? When we just go places. Every time I went out with Thor, we never had a problem. I never played tough, gangsta, no nothing. If some niggas were looking wrong, I'd go over there and depth them up. What's up, how y 'all niggas doing? Besides Rollo when he was shooting at you? No, no, no. Rollo never. Rollo, when Rollo and Thor never had problems, I was never involved. Oh, okay. You feel what I'm saying? But we just go ahead with Rallo Hood too. They don't want to do it with the whole thing. So, yeah, I just go through Rallo Neal Hood all the time too. Yeah, yeah.

2:24:33I just go through late night, early morning, broad day, all that. You know what I mean? We got to go to Pakistan. Yeah, I got to. ASAP. I love it though. I went out there. I was so proud of Rallo. Like he's doing big things and he's in his community. He brought his money to his community. That's true. That's real. Give me that moment. You was giving me a moment. Oh, yeah, sorry. Oh, yeah.

2:24:56Oh, he was. My funny moment, it be incriminating. Yeah, it be incriminating. You ain't got nothing else that's not incriminating, or if it is, break it down without saying too much. But we did so much, like, in a short time frame. You feel me? Me and Thur, we rode the bikes. You know, Thur, the hotest rep out. when he first came out, we rode the ATVs with 50, 60 other ATVs. And they were so happy to see Thurrind. And we rode throughout the whole city. You feel what I'm saying? I love bikes. You feel what I'm saying? We definitely felt like we saw you in a place of pure joy and happiness when you were riding your bike when we were out there in that vlog that we did.

2:25:42That was like, oh, shit. Woody is like a fucking kid when he gets on that bike. I am, man. You know what I mean? A lot of us are, bro. We kids. they didn't have a chance to live our youth. So, you know, when I was a kid, I tried to be grown. I had to get the grown treatment. So now that I'm grown, I'm trying to be a kid. I'm trying to catch up on what I miss. But that bike bring me peace, man. You feel me? Like, I don't want to mess with nobody. That's why I get on internet and I fight against it. I am not a King Von. You feel me? I ain't nowhere near that boy. I ain't a young boy. You know, I like young boy music.

2:26:18You feel me? I like dirt in them, too. but at the end of the day, you feel what I'm saying? Man, we all kids, they've been suffering from our environment, the trauma, you feel what I'm saying? Being overlooked, you feel what I'm saying? Did you know King Troop? Hell yeah, man. I love that guy. How did you know him? Because he was like the big homie Crip or whatever, right? So we used to gamble in the studio. So my first time seeing Troop, nigga whispered in my ear, say, oh, this is such a big homie. and remember I told you the game made me think I had to the game make you think you get reputation by taking off somebody or somebody so I had plod on truth in the club but just so happy I couldn't do nothing to him and uh why not though cause police came it was something it was something but I don't know nothing about him all I know he's a big homie cause I was tricked so you know next time I ran into truth we was gambling and me and him just started talking junk you know I'm bad nothing to nobody and he found a liking to that.

2:27:21And he won my money. You know what I mean? But I like the simple fact that he wasn't scared of me either. So it was just something about it. It was just like, damn, this nigga crazy. I like this nigga. And we just connected. But then when it got real, real, real, real, and I started to see who was going to stand up, everybody who I expected to stand up did it. They had to sit down when they pee. Troop said, don't worry about this nigga. I got you. And Troop got them like, nigga, I'm putting my face on them. Boy, who else want a problem with Woody? But they got to have a problem with me. I'm like, damn, bro.

2:27:51I told him, too. I was like, hey, bro, one day I'm going to get you in the club, boy. They told me who you are, boy. I'm going to get that strike. He's like, boy, you thought you were going to get it. Boy, I'm going to get you. When you said get it, what was you, like, planning to do? Take a chain or just, like, give him ass whooping? Nah, just pull a dread out of here. Just give me that dread. Damn. So, yeah, speaking of, why you beat up Jock, man? Why you said you beat up Jock in the studio or whatever? Man, Jock, I didn't even know. I didn't even know who he was I don't really watch TV I'm gonna make me a movie yeah so we was in the studio the same day we was in the family with Truth Truth won our money oh word and Jacquee Cuzz was trying to bet $20 bro we betting I ain't never bet no$700 $1000 on a dice at this time man we would team Truth well we thought we would but anyway Truth came back and started winning Thought got irritated cause you know you lose you get mad you gotta take your foot straight out took it out on a nigga who won a bet$20 and nigga ended up getting a fight with Duke.

2:28:50They jump on him and I'm like, damn man, I ain't even getting none of that action because I'm hoping everybody look at the fight so I can steal the money out of the die game. But the truth ain't going for none. That nigga collecting his money. I'm like, God, so who that nigga here with? And I just see the nigga like, they my cousin and I just swing on him. Then I hear security like, it's an artist. Security guard trying to break my arm, you feel me? So I was looking stupid, it. But I'm like, man, I don't care. I like my money. Nah, man, somebody got to pay. But when they be like, oh, this is Jacquees, I'm like, oh, damn, my bad.

2:29:22Damn, so you've been around a lot of rappers just being around in the mix with everybody. Oh, a whole lot of niggas. They know who I am. Name some rappers that have been around that we might not even know that you've been around. Just being around I've been around all of them. All of them. Because I was right there with So you was around Dirt early on? I met Dirt when I got out of the fed in 2019. Now, man, it surprised me. Dirt was like, what's up? Like, damn, you know me? I didn't know how big my name had got from the stupid shit. Even the young boy, because at one point, young thug and young boy had like a real solid relationship.

2:30:00I remember young boy. I was in jail, though. Because young boy had a huge young thug chain. Did you ever see him wearing a young thug chain? Nah, I was like, that's what I was doing my feed time, yeah. But, you know, I got out. You know, I like young boy, though. Nah, I see. You be posting. I love that nigga, though. You going to a story? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. His mama follow me. Me and her be talking, like, through Instagram. I be talking to a couple of his homeboys. You feel me? Do you think 21 and Lil Baby going to be on Thug? New album that's going to drop? Or you think they got to fall back right now?

2:30:29They should. Stand beside your nigga, bro. You feel me? Y 'all already know when the geese gone? Can't turn on Thug. You feel me what I'm saying? Because at the end of the day, y 'all making it personal. Let's just show people that, man, listen, man. Let's stop turning against each other so fast. Nigga mess up. Hey, man, look, bro, you fucked up, bro. You know what I mean? Can't fuck up twice. You feel what I'm saying? Then, you know, y 'all winning in life. Make it about the money. You feel what I'm saying? No illegal activity should be going on for nobody to be worried about anything. I don't hang around nobody that breaking the law.

2:31:01So anybody got to never worry about me. And I ain't got to worry about them. Do you think this situation with Young Thug happening and people calling him a snitch now and calling him a hypocrite, do you think he's going to open more doors for Gunner to work with more artists and shit since people are looking at Thug like, hey, you kind of did Gunner wrong by saying that and you kind of jumped out there and did the same thing? See, God is so good that for Gunner to work with those who work with it, they're going to have access to him. But if anybody who turned their back up gets Gunner because they just not waiting and see how it play out, they're not good for you, bro.

2:31:36You feel what I'm saying? Because at the end of the day, who going to stop eating because somebody else got going on. We all got bills to pay. America is not free. You can own a house. You got to pay mortgage. You could pay off the mortgage and still have to pay property taxes. Yeah, that's what I meant to say. Thank you, Adam. Because Remo just going to let me sound stupid. Isn't he crazy? No, it's cool. It took me a while to realize, like, oh, even if you pay it off, you still have to pay$20 ,000,$30 ,000,$40 ,000 a year? what the fuck? Trump's trying to get rid of that. Nah, go get some animals.

2:32:12Trump said he's trying to get rid of that shit. Man, Trump tell more lies than me. Yeah, but if he did, that'd be pretty epic. Nah, Trump tell more lies than thug. Who tell more lies than me or thug? Trump just lies seamlessly about everything. For sure. I think Trump lies more than anybody. Also, you see Trump all day, every day on TV, whatever, so it's like, we only see you when you pop out for a interview. Trump's a bigger gangster than a lot of these niggas here. Yeah. I mean, he's pulled off more with gangsters. He didn't say they snitching. This is a person. Yeah, now you are. You just said some shit, though.

2:32:46You said who told more lies between you and Thug. Whoa, because you said he was telling lies that whole interview. Give me one more lie that you was just like, nah, that's a flat-out lie that he said that stood out to you. Bro, do you see them playing clips of him in that same? No, I've caught some shit, but you in it, you're going to find shit and peep shit that we might not even peep. So you being involved in the situation, what was a lie that you, because you said the whole shit was full of lies. What was the biggest lie that you felt like, I can't believe this nigga said that? He said, Woody studied all of this.

2:33:16Mm-hmm. What? This nigga said he had to hide me and my family remote. And when y 'all came to London, did it look like I was hiding? Did y 'all see a gun with me or anybody around me? Did y 'all see one gun with me or anybody with me? I would assume there were some blicks around. You assume, but did you see? I ain't seen that. Did you see anybody moving like they had some? Just be honest. No. No. Nah, it was love out there. He didn't drive down for Fort Willis and shit. Do it look like Woody doing any hiding. So he said he had to hide you after the fact? Yeah, he said he had to hide me and my family.

2:33:46He had to put my family in. My sister said she should have made her a video. I said, girl, you're going to be viral forever. You feel what I'm saying? Because he didn't give them nothing. We appreciated, my nigga. You would have gave us something. I would have said it. Yeah, dog, help me and my family out. when it was time for you to do your part, my nigga, you did it, bro. So don't get on here and speak like you did, bro. So do you feel like the same way apply to Gunnar when he's saying that Gunnar didn't help him and his family out? You feel like Gunnar owe him that since he put Gunnar in position?

2:34:17So even if Gunnar felt like thug is bogus by saying he had snitched, do you feel like it would have been right for Gunnar to at least look out for Dolly or whatever? No, no, no. Because at the end of the day, same way he put Gunnar in position, he should have put his family in position. Mm-hmm. Right? I mean, yeah. If you able to make this man a millionaire, why you ain't able to make some more of your family members? Oonfunk and them millionaires. You feel like Oonfunk is as talented as Gunna? Huh? You feel like Oonfunk is as talented as Gunna? It doesn't matter, my nigga. You got so many different platforms that you can use.

2:34:53You got so many. Oonfunk could have been doing movies. He could have been doing anything because you his brother. And the world love you. The world love you so much, they forget you because you said whoop-dee-doo. Y 'all ain't realize that. Yeah, yeah. One good meme is worth more than like whatever. But I mean. That way save him. To be fair, Thug put on dozens, maybe like a hundred rappers. And Gunn is the one that became a huge superstar. How you feel, Thug put on hundreds? Everybody Thug put on our own. I mean, he tried to put on a lot of people through YSL. and most of them got a boost in their career but didn't ultimately turn into somebody who's making millions of dollars, unlike Gunna.

2:35:34So let me say this, right? I make people money who you may see around me. I make them money and I'm nowhere near third status. So if I can make people money, you can make people money. Yeah. So then let me ask you this. If you feel like he didn't put that many people on, why do you think... Oh, yeah, he put people on. Yeah, all right. but why do you think he gets so much love in Atlanta that they're willing to look past this? Where's the love coming from? Because he holds the key. Doug holds the key. You know why he? Because he's a gangster to a lot of people. You feel me? You know, and his connection with the other people.

2:36:16Look who runs Atlanta when it comes to the music. Future, Doug, 21, Lil Baby. Everybody else can't do nothing without them. Look, Lucha is a successful artist. He's a great match. When we was beefing with them niggas, we couldn't help but listen to Lucha music. Yeah. He was disnergy like, you know, this sucker. We didn't listen to his music like, this sucker-ass nigga. You know what I'm saying? But you had to give him his credit. But he couldn't do anything because they who held the keys. So Thog was kind of blackballing him from being around certain artists because he had the wave? That's what I said.

2:36:50That's what killed the rap. Yeah. They relationship with people. Hey, don't work with him. Don't work with him. So now everybody don't got in there. Everybody see that you doing it. They doing it. Hey, if you met with her, don't met with her. See, the only person they couldn't get was who? NBA Youngboy. That's the only person they couldn't blackball because why? Everything that nigga do is authentic. What Youngboy do is authentic. That boy selling out millions of shows. Millions of people coming to his shows. And he just getting started. Think about that. Gene said, no other artist doing it. You heard what that phone call said?

2:37:23We buying screens, ain't it? yeah what'd you think of that yeah what was your thoughts on that that makes us cast doubt on everything cause then when I'm sitting there and people are saying oh Gunna selling so good Gunna sold 100 ,000 out of jail or whatever I'm like did he because if Thug was down to buy those album sales who's saying that the label wasn't able to pull some strings and say oh we just took your project from a 50 to 100 so this is how you recognize it look at the fanbase look at Gunna fanbase today who Gunna doing NBA Youngboy numbers when Gunnar get on that stage by himself. He ain't bringing nobody else out.

2:37:56Osset, you feel what I'm saying? Osset is somebody, but look at them boys. Them boys are unadoubted. Osset's the exception to the rule when it comes to Gunnar. He's like one of the only Atlanta big artists that fuck with him. You gotta respect Osset. They want Osset to have flaws, bro. You gotta respect him, bro. Because, you know what I mean? No matter what it was, bro. Osset stood on right, bro. You gotta give it to him, bro. That nigga ain't in no interrogation room talking to no police as Thug is. Thug in interrogation room talking to police is Gunna not. Why y 'all the hell y 'all want to hate Gunna and love Thug?

2:38:28Thug talking to the law. Gunna said, yeah, ma 'am, to the court, to the judge to walk home. He didn't say it. Thug said it. Man, whatever he said it was said to the po-po's in 2016. They said Pee Wee Rock School was locked up. Exactly. It was an ongoing investigation. How you think they talking to Thug? The first thing they said, we want to clarify some things. Ooh, that hurt. Why do you think Young Thug got so much power in Atlanta where he can turn the whole Atlanta against Gunnar, though? And Gunnar was making hits and shit. Because when Thug came in the game, Thug came from where we came from.

2:39:02So he took what he got out the streets and to the industry with him. And the people in the industry ain't come from where we came from. So Thug was able to create relationships and bonds. You feel me? With people that scared, don't know. Like people, when there are people that, hey, we want to work with you, but we don't want to be in no shit. let me tell you something. If you pay attention to Atlanta news, everything go on everywhere but where I'm at. I give out respect and great energy. When I come to, when y 'all came to Atlanta, I was on time, right? Come here, was I on time? In the 20th verses, them niggas tell you, I show up on time.

2:39:38All respect, no fights and nothing happened. Besides when Shamuk come. Oh, Ray J, I don't know what happened. Where, Jay? Yeah, yeah, Ray J. When he was in Miami, y 'all know what was going on. What the fuck happened? I think Ray J was on something. man. You don't think so? You seen him. I seen him. He was drunk, but I don't think he was on no paddle, though. What was the situation? Because when I walked in there, did you and him almost get into altercation or you almost got... When the camera winds rolling, he was telling me he trolling. But when the camera rolling, you on me hard. So I'm like, hey, look, bro.

2:40:07When the camera rolling, I know that people gonna look at their video and they gonna take it for what they take it for. Don't play with me on the camera like they could. I'm telling you now. I'm gonna swing on you, bro. Because if I'm feeling like you trying to pump me out, I'm gonna swing on you. and if you beat me up you beat me up but I'm gonna swing on you oh so the tension was between y 'all yeah cause I felt it cause when I came in there I didn't know all the girls liked me so I'm thinking I'm thinking I'm getting mad cause I'm like hey look mate bro you can't be doing it but I swear they don't even know who Ray J is you gotta understand Ray J was out 100 years ago you know what I mean he's still popping though no he no no what I'm saying is in that room in that room yeah these girls don't know who Ray J is they see me on the internet every day now So it's like, okay, we know who they are because he on the internet.

2:40:52But who is this guy? So they not knowing. But instead of Ray J looking at it like that, he like, bro, y 'all set me up. But he don't know. I'm questioning Mike about the same thing. Like, damn, why are these girls? So Mike had to tell some of the girls, come out here and say, y 'all want Ray J. Hmm. Now, it was a lot of tension in there. I was like, what the fuck going on? I called Wack. Him and Wack and Ray J got on the phone. Yeah, somebody came and told him and said, oh, he on the phone with Wack. I put him on the phone with Wack and then Wack. heard he was on the phone with Watt, my screen instinct kick in.

2:41:19I said, oh, that white nigga echo like this. So now he in trouble. So that's why... I calmed him down and y 'all was able to finish it and shit. Yeah, but see, there before me and Watt really conversated. So I don't... You know, Watt played an image of a gangster on the internet. So I'm like, oh, he sent Wajray up here. That white Ray J. Trayman. I don't finna do something to him. That's what I started thinking. So I told Ray J. I said, hey, let me tell you something, bro. Don't even troll me, because I'm at a point where I don't know what you're doing. And I had some eight niggas with me. and if you see somebody with me, they act like me.

2:41:50Yeah, now that definitely was an interesting day. I was like, man. You were there? I was there for sure. I was in Miami, I think. Yeah, what's your relationship with Ola Runt? You know Ola? I know Ola. You ain't got no friendship? Oh, yeah. My brother who I be with, they's his people, though. 10, 17, 10 to done. Yeah, all them from the same side of town. Ola Runt, they that nigga, though. He crazy nigga, right? I fought with him. He ain't crazy. He just, I mean, stand on his respect. Yeah. Yeah, you ain't gonna hear no flaws about him, though. Has he done interviews since he been out? He ain't got out yet.

2:42:25Oh, he's not out yet. He's still out. Yeah, on the Ola Runt, they that nigga, though. You know what I mean? I listen to his music. I like his music. He talking that shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look at that. Five years ago, I interviewed him. Yeah, he coming home. You want to interview him when he get out? Sure. Yeah, for sure. Would love to. Yeah, he gonna take over, though. he gonna take over them. For sure. On his free shit. That's before people knew him as like a cardiop and all this shit. Yeah. As long as he don't come out and, you know, turn enemies with rap niggas. If he come out just on his getting money shit, he gonna take over.

2:43:00But if he come out and start a problem, they gonna try to hate on him on the low. But he got his beef with already though. But, you know, see one thing about those people, they understandable. You feel what I'm saying? It's about the money. You feel what I'm saying? Nigga came from that. Nigga trying to get rich now, man. Nigga ain't trying to be still on that stupid shit. But if you want it, you know what I mean? Niggas gonna get with it. How do you feel about like Playboy Cardi and like the new wave going on in Atlanta? What's that? You don't know who Playboy Cardi is? I seen him, but I don't know who he is, though.

2:43:28Uh, yeah. He's one of the biggest artists in the world right now. Yeah, he's huge, but he's also you know, he's kind of on some goth shit. They got a picture of him wearing a thong and shit. But as far as Atlanta, he's like one of the biggest artists in the world and in Atlanta for sure. 100%. Yeah, I ain't, I tell you, I listen to NBA Young Boy, Thug, Lil Baby, Gunna. I listen to my niggas. Word. So you still listen to Thug music now? Hell yeah. It ain't a day I don't listen to Thug music. Word. Because I know what he rapping. What's your favorite Thug song? Nigga, damn you.

2:44:02My favorite Thug song might be... I Love Him. Give me one that I stand out that you relate to.

2:44:14I can't because I had different emotions for different songs. All right, give me two to three songs that you know, like, I fuck with these songs for sure. Or you might have been there when he recorded them.

2:44:25Man, man, got so... I ain't going to lie. I listen to all of them. You know what I'm saying? Like, y 'all see me listen to Youngboy. I listen to Thug ten times more than I listen to Youngboy. Oh, word. No, because I see you on your story with a Youngboy song all the time. I ain't ever seen you really post a Thug story of Reese's. Because I only want to get in trouble. in trouble as in like you not allowed to listen to him nah in trouble as in if I listen to him they might say I'm wide self you feel me so just you know it was a lesson learned through that trial bro you gotta be careful you feel what I'm saying like I forget though you know man I love him would I ever you know what I mean hang with him again he probably wouldn't want to hang with me because you know I talk a lot of shit I kind of help people kick him you feel what I'm saying I hurt his feelings Jay like a lot of us but he hurt our feelings too But if you forgive me and want to, you know, be friends with me as long as he ain't done no stupid shit, I'd love to be his friend.

2:45:14You know what I mean? Because I feel like we all went through that together, and we all came out of it. You feel what I'm saying? And the best friend to have is a friend with experience because you know what not to do next time. A lot of people talk this stuff that ain't never been in that situation. When you get in that situation, what you going to do? I mean, one of his excuses for why he hasn't put out music is because he said that he used to be around all these dudes. He had all these homies for all these years. And now he don't really got that squad of friends anymore. I don't know who he hangs out with now.

2:45:44That was his vulnerable moment right there. That's when he was, he told us right there. That's when I felt real sad. Like, damn, man, I'm sorry for even kicking you, bro. Because I got the scrimp now. It took me years. I had to go through a lot to get this scrimp. But I don't want nobody to feel what I felt. You know what I mean? Despite what we went through. So we thought, man, it's like, you know, bro, we here. You feel what I'm saying? You can't communicate with us due to your plea agreement. But we here. We rooting for you. We listening to your music. We promoting you, nigga. You feel what I'm saying?

2:46:14I just got paid$10 ,000 to wear. I love Thor shirt. I seen that. You ain't got a guy that I love. Who made you wear that? I used to have nothing. But now I got a whole lot of everything. Wait, who paid you that to wear that? I don't know who paid me. But hey, man, when the check cleared, I had it on. Oh, shit. Yeah. That's funny. Did you hit to Charleston White and Donza beefing? You been seeing that? Yeah, man. Danza Carmen told me, you know, Charles White kind of hurt Danza feeling, but, you know, Danza's a man, so he's like, man, he's done that way he's talking about. Charles White saying he tried to talk to his girl, and Danza's explaining.

2:46:54I'm like, bro, you don't have to explain to me, bro. I know what I'm dealing with. Charles White, he's a jealous person, you know what I mean? So if you pay him attention, you can see that. He got mad because Danza interviewed me, you feel what I'm saying? and, you know, he felt like Danza ain't been interviewing him. But you had interviews with Danza already, so he felt like he should have stopped interviewing you when you and him fell out. So what Charles White did was, so Angel, I met her. Shout out to Angel too because she happened to be a publicist, right? Yes. Because she was working with you, Charleston White, now Hernandez.

2:47:29The facts are, I met Angel because she DM'd me and asked, because she helped me out. Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, sure. And she was telling me who she was, So she knew Charles White. So I'm like, if you knew Charles White, get him on the phone. She got him on the phone. I said, okay, cool. You know what I mean? That just showed me that she wasn't lying about who she was. So, you know, Angel started giving me a lot of bookings. Sooner later, me and Charles White linked up. We kicked it. But what Angel did was when she was working with him, she started, you know, getting your number and his number.

2:47:57And so when she worked with me, she was like, hey, I got Woody if you want to work with him. Charles White started calling everybody, telling them, don't work. If Angel calls you, don't work with Woody. it. This is what he was doing. But all Angel was doing, she was trying to make money to put food on her plate. She wasn't hating on him. Because she knew I liked the Charles White. So it wasn't enough bad blood. But when I didn't go for the trick that he tried to pull on me, he started doing things to interfere with it. Then he tried to say, we heard his feelings, Angel and Barry. But they never went against you.

2:48:26They never talked down on him. They never told me none of his dirt. Still to this day, I'm pretty sure they got dirt on him. Everybody got dirt on them. And, you know, he just going to end and bash them. And then he tell me that he was heard about them. So as a man, you talk about right from wrong all the time. You should call their phone. You got their number. You should hit them on social media like you do me. You tag them on their posts so you know everybody's Instagram. So it be their own self. It's their conscious, my nigga.

2:48:59That's real. One thing we talked about a little bit, but you did go viral for saying if something go wrong with your daughter's surgery, you're going to attack Young Thug or get Young Thug. Then you do not forget his question. Hey, so why did you want to take your anger out on Young Thug? What made you so mad in that moment? I wasn't mad. I played too much. You know what I mean? And y 'all take me serious when I'm playing. When I'm serious, y 'all take me for a joke. It's kind of hard to tell with you sometimes. Come on, Ab. You just texted and said you better get a golden shower. I was just kidding.

2:49:34Exactly. I laughed at you, right? Well, you said that you don't take showers. So you were joking and I was joking. Well, I don't take showers. Ever? Ever. What? Only when I had to go to jail. I never noticed you smelling. Because your nose stopped up. Yeah. That's part of the problem. I thought it was a YSL clone. Go to here, Remo. No, but, oh, yeah. I mean, that makes sense because, like, obviously, that's the kind of shit I would say, too. like, you know, like, if something goes wrong in my life, I'm going to do this thing that makes no sense, that's totally outrageous. But you are the kind of person where, like, if I say that joking, I feel like everybody's going to know I'm joking with you.

2:50:16It's hard to tell when you're joking. Okay, let me, this is another joke. See, I done signed this podcast for two, three hours. We went way past the last minute, but just because I'm enjoying cum sandwich y 'all, I ain't charging y 'all. I ain't trying to be no asshole because I enjoy y 'all company. You see what I'm saying? This is how I am towards people. When you treat me like I matter, I treat you like you matter. Yeah, I'm hungry as fuck. We almost had three hours. Oh, y 'all ready to go eat? It's on you? I got meal prep. I'm on a diet. How you gonna invite me on your, and you got meal prep?

2:50:44No, we're getting into the hot 22 era. I don't want nothing to do with you. Nothing got anything to do with you. Yeah, I'm about to be a thirst trap. A walking, talking thirst trap. I don't even want to ask you what that is. It means that all the ladies are going to be thirsty looking ass. I bought a gift for you, though. You got it. Everybody else leads somewhere with that. Is it a Labuba? And the infamous razor. Wow. We got to put it in the shelf. Oh, that's a good. Yeah. It need to be. When I watch No Jumpers episode, I get finished watching Santa Nash. I need to see my trophy in there. We got Tony Woolrich's orange sunglasses over there.

2:51:15And now we've got the YSL Woody blue razor. You said Tony? That's a guy for Tess? Yeah. No. I can't go in the same category with him. Put him on the top shelf and let's do the Crip Mac 40. Yeah, put him in the next to the Crip Mac for you. Well, I was thinking we'd just put it right here. But you ain't got to hold it like that, but the razor's clean. I'll be the judge of that. Don't you charge you my razor. That dirty-ass head of yours. Yeah, man. They come from the concrete, man. Scraping off them razors. I'm a Grady baby. Oh, man. Yeah. Let's end it on some positive shit, though. To all the kids that look up to you and to Doug and to everybody involved or even just rappers in general from Atlanta and stuff, what was the message that you were sending them that probably listening to all y 'all interviews, seeing y 'all go back and forth, see what all y 'all went through with this trial and shit?

2:52:08What's the final message to the people? Don't be a hardhead. Don't learn the hard way. Take what you see somebody else go through and learn from it. Also set goals. You know, know what you want to be in life and walk that path. Hang around those people that doing it. If you hang around stupidity, you're going to be one. You hang around poor, you're going to be one. You hang around rich people, you got no choice because rich people ain't doing broke people shit. And it costs to be around rich people. So you got no choice but to get you some money. On that note, you know, I always put God first.

2:52:45Pray. All you can do is say, wake up. Thank you, Lord, for giving me breath. Forgive me for my sins. That's it. Go on with your life. If you did commit a sin that you didn't know it wasn't your intentions on committing, God knows it wasn't your intentions. So as for forgiveness, you will be forgiven. Be great in life. God gave you life. God have a purpose for you. Understand your purpose. Elevate. If you came for nothing, don't leave as a nothing. You are somebody. That's why God created you. One thing you just said that stood out to me, you said set goals. Any goals that you set recently or goals you have?

2:53:21Yeah, movies, and helping people. Right now, I'm thinking about starting my own rap label. See, so many people. I got like 70 million people watching me on Instagram by itself, not including TikTok, YouTube. I just got 13 ,000 subscribers on YouTube in the last three, four days. And I got the platform to give exposure. So I'm going to give exposure to the people. You got to give love to receive love. I'm going to put that in the universe and I'm going to receive it. So if anyone want to work with me, you know, I'll open the work as long as it's about elevation. You know what I mean? And positivity.

2:54:00And what's the YouTube channel for the people? It's Woody vs. Woody? Yes, sir. Woody vs. Woody officials on YouTube. KXC underscore Woody on TikTok. Woody underscore self-made on Instagram. I appreciate that. Come on, man. That way. You think I'm on bullshit? You do. You do. Woody, appreciate you pulling up, man. shout out to Remo for holding it down it was a great conversation I'm glad we got to do it again and I'm glad that so many people are seeing the forest from the trees and realizing that you're maybe not the bad guy that you were painted to be let me say this if you make a mistake in your life you can't correct don't worry about the critics don't worry about nothing you know what I mean I am a perfect example of that you ain't always gotta go through with bullshit, the negativity.

2:54:54Man up, and you need to understand that once you man up, you got to take your responsibility and you got to move forward as a man. You know what I mean? This is the best thing that could happen to me, bro. I wanted out the streets. I ain't know how to get out the streets. I ain't know how to walk away. So, I ain't got to worry about it. I ain't never going to embrace it no more. That's facts. We love the growth. Shout out my man Woody. Shout out Remo. Donnie behind the boards. No jumper. Coolest podcast. Like comment and subscribe. I'm not kidding either. Like and comment. Bow.