Luce & J Reed Conspired to Sue No Jumper? Why The Hoovers Are Having a Moment & More

11:51Luce Cannon:Okay.

11:52J Reed:Go ahead. Remember what? Howdy, huh? Hold on. I want to know what I... He's a sympathizer. Yeah, he's a good guy. I want to know what I...

11:58Luce Cannon:What you mean? What he's saying is that you orchestrated the whole shit, bro. This is what he just came out on. I believe it was on No Jumper. He called in and said this. I mean, he said... How did I orchestrate it? He said that you knew that they was coming, and you orchestrated it. You knew that he was going to do what he was going to do. You know what I'm saying? I knew that. Wait, but I got a bigger thing for you. I got a bigger thing for you.

12:23Gumby:When you pulled up with your homies, because I had to go outside and charge my card, my phone, right? Was my soldiers in place? I didn't see nobody. You didn't see them outside? Oh, yeah. The homies, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? Yeah, yeah. I see nobody. Yeah. So if I'm going to move or if you're going to move, you're going to move with your homies from the ones you trust, right? Yeah. All my homies was on the wall. They never came off the wall. So I don't know this dude.

12:51Luce Cannon:So wait, but this is my whole point with you. This is my whole point with you. It's always going to be his word against show. No, let me show you something. Let me explain to the public. It's going to be because he's saying one thing and you're trying to prove it. So he's saying I told him to come up here? Wait, wait, wait. Is that what he said? You know better than what he said. I don't know. Definitely why.

13:10Gumby:Oh, you know definitely why they came up here, Adam? No, he didn't know that. Adam the one told me the dude was in the back. I didn't even know the dude was in the back.

13:18J Reed:Luce told me that he wanted to give me some Christmas gifts, which ended up being T-shirts of AI rendering French bulldogs wearing like Luce Cannon merchandise.

13:29Gumby:Now, watch the cat.

13:31J Reed:That was smart.

13:32Gumby:Wait, now wait. So what did that do? Get him up here, right? Luce Cannon up here. Yeah. He ain't at our table. He ain't interviewed us that day, right? So that day, the owner of Dosh and Travis Ford was supposed to come up here to show Adam the back end of his page. Because I was trying to bring some business together. Dude hit me at 2.30, said he had to cancel. He couldn't get a pass to come. You know, I guess he was on some paperwork or whatever. I hit Travis Ford from Main Street and said, hey. I said, hey, Travis Ford from Main Street and said, hey. Mazzy just hit me and said he can't make it.

14:11Gumby:So there's no need for you to come. People would like to come with no jumper just to come with no jumper. But that's dead weight because at that point in time, you coming by yourself is totally different than you popping up with somebody I'm doing business with. Right? Because he was coming at 4.30, show Adam and shit, five, he gone, we do our pod, right? So watch this. I tell Travis Ford it's canceled. Right? Me, Adam, Mazzy, Travis. Mozzie's still in Vegas. Travis in the city is canceled. Now, this is where it got weird at. This is when Travis figured it out. Lose Cannon calls him$5.36. Tell him to come up to No Jumper.

14:54Gumby:You know what that told Travis?

14:59Gumby:Whack don't communicate with dude about his business. Because if he would have, he would have known that I already told Travis the business is canceled. Luce ain't up here for the business. He up here to bring the shirts, which is his really reason to come up here. Right? To Adam. Yeah, right? Adam ain't paying no mind. He doing what he doing. 645, he finna run his ass out of here to get home before Parker go to bed. And when Adam gets outside, he calls me. He says, there's two dudes in the back, such and such, such. My team is where I'm at. So Luce up here with 15 people, my homies is looking at the niggas he wearing because we don't know all these niggas.

15:36Gumby:Maybe like five. Bullshit. My 15. That nigga had a body. How many people that nigga had with him? I was a beast team. Yeah. So my homies is looking at these niggas like, who is you? Because we don't know these niggas, right? So I tell Luce, they got to be somebody with you. They ain't with me because mine's just where I'm at. Luce goes outside, right? I tell everybody, time to clear the bill. Donnie ready to go. We out. I think they tried to walk in. I turned them around. Didn't I, Donnie? They tried to walk in. I'm like, hey, bro, can't nobody come in here.

16:08J Reed:When Luce Cannon left, his friends left the door open, and there was like five of his friends by the side door, and then they walked up, and yeah. I walked in behind you guys, and Luce like acknowledged them, and I was like, all right, they know each other. So when he went out. But you remember that night? They went out, and then you came to ask me something about the pod, and then you went out after him.

16:29Gumby:So I go out. So when I goes out, right, Gumby? When I goes out, Luce called me to the back, right? So when I get to the back, he asked me a question about something that was on my phone, right? Some business, right? I said, shit, let me see if I can find it. They doing their back and forth. I hear they back and forth. We done been to yards. I hear what I hear, and I hear it ain't that serious, but the shit that's being said could be taken like that. About seven, eight seconds, I hear a snap, a crack. He filed on a dude, right? Let me see the video. Now, here's the thing. they say whack why you didn't stop him the minute I insert myself in that while niggas is swinging my homies come off the wall right that's a bad leader so I'm a bag up it's a one on one I don't know what these niggas got they go each other 15 years they was in jail together right I seen him do some bullshit and I felt my heart no bro that's to what you doing right I said bro don't do him like that right I'm not going I don't know this nigga like that.

17:33Gumby:I ain't going over there with no motherfucking nigga from the other side waving no motherfucking pistol trying to play. You get what I'm saying? I'm not doing that because the minute I approach that it puts my people in another situation.

17:45J Reed:Right? I've seen you break up or like he's so many different beefs and conflicts. I don't know why this is like the one squabble that you didn't want to get in between. No, watch this.

17:57Gumby:When I said hey bro, don't do him like that. Don't do him like that. At that very moment, what happened to me? He snatched me up, threw me in the car, locked the car down, my homies front, back, side to side, locked the vehicle down. I'm no longer not even outside. Right? I'm gonna follow the discipline and guidance of my warriors. Them niggas ain't soldiers. Them niggas is warriors. Soldiers get wait to get told what to do. Warriors know what to do. Now we got 10, 12 niggas out here. This one, he ain't thinking about. The homies don't know if all this is a diversion for a nigga to take a shot at the whack.

18:35Gumby:They don't know if all this going on for this oddball niggas we don't know to bust on me.

18:40J Reed:Like you're the fucking president.

18:42Gumby:No, this is he gumby. He don't get it. Gumby. Gumby. If you're in a situation where a nigga can get niggas, it's trophies. I'm a trophy. Believe it or not. I'm a trophy when it come to that shit. Right? So the homie grabbed me, throwed me in the car, locked the car down. Big homie, what you doing. So lock the car. So while I'm in the car, I'm watching what's going on, right? I'm sitting here tripping off this shit, right? I don't even know the other dude. Yeah, I heard they did in real. Yeah, I don't know, dude.

19:12Luce Cannon:Yeah, whooped him all out of his clothes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, wait, I got two questions. You don't feel liable for that? Hell no. I don't feel liable

19:20J Reed:about it. I don't know if I would be held liable for it. Why would he? Because it happened on his

19:24Luce Cannon:property. No, it didn't. It didn't. That's not your property over there? That wall, really? That wall, the other side.

19:29J Reed:Well, I would contest the idea that I would. I bet you would. I'm going to tell you why. I'm going to tell you why.

19:35Gumby:My car was parked on the...

19:39Luce Cannon:But wait, but wait, but wait, though. Listen, you can't... No, I'm not. I'm just asking a question. Like, I heard it on the show, and he said that you're the one who orchestrate that, but that goes back to... That's what Lush said. This is what he said. But that... I don't know who Lush is. Is that the dude that was on the thing? Let me ask you a question.

20:00Gumby:I believe in Lush. Who the fuck is Lush? Let me ask you a question. Lush never lies. I put it up on my IG. Let me tell you what they didn't know. Jay Reece said he was coming up here for the contracts, right? Let me tell you what none of them knew. The contracts was done 11 November 21st, 2024. Me, my woman, and the owner of Dosh. Contracts was already done. They didn't know that because they ain't part of my business. Dostin went on the record letting him know, you ain't part of my business. I don't know you. You ain't part of my business. So now the question. What is he here for then? Now, this is for two weeks.

20:37Gumby:You did too. Luce, how do you get up there? Luce said, I think you called him the next morning. He told me. I don't know if he was lying or not. And I asked him how did he get up there. Luce claimed he didn't know. But now they say dude turned in phone records. That's showing Luce hitting him from 430 to 630. telling him where to come. So I don't give a fuck what he say, because for one, your phone record's gonna cook you. Two, the video your dumbass told your people to record put out is gonna cook you. Three, Jay Reed know me and him have zero Dillons. Four, I'm not obligate to intervene in no motherfucking squabble or no motherfucking guns.

21:20Gumby:No, not rubber nice, but... No, not your goddamn mind.

21:24Luce Cannon:You would intervene if he was here? No, but like... What do you mean?

21:31J Reed:He loves to be the guy who's playing Batman, jumping in between the situation and fixing it, mending a rift. And it's just like, this is the one time where apparently that was just so out of the question.

21:44Gumby:This was crazy. When a motherfucker's in a rage, right? And you take it upon yourself to say, bro, don't do that. Bro, don't do that. Don't do that, bro. Right? and he didn't do it. He looked like he was going to do it. These motherfuckers are ungrateful, bro. I didn't have to do that. And listen, if I wanted to, which I wouldn't have, go try to intervene, my homies wasn't allowing it. Nigga, I got snatched up. I got walked. Listen, I got snatched up in my first two steps. He had to be real aggressive with me because I was watching what was going on and walked to the car. I got placed in the whip, slammed the car.

22:27Gumby:The homie surrounded the car and locked it down.

22:30Luce Cannon:So what you want me to do? He a gangster crib. He a neighborhood crib. Was that, so you was yelling, don't do that from the car? No, that's when he snatched me.

22:41Gumby:When I say, bro, don't do that, don't do that, I think he thought I was finna go over that. I don't know what he thought. What I did know is he snatched me up, got me

22:50Luce Cannon:to the car. So what did they say? I'm saying he's saying this. I'm saying this is what Luce Cannon is saying. You got to remember Luce Cannon at this point

22:58Gumby:in his world, he got nothing to lose, right? What's great is I let Luce Cannon bake his own cake. Luce Cannon said on your show, Luce Cannon said he's the boogeyman. Can't nobody tell me what to do. I'm the enforcer. I call my own shots 6-0. That's what he says, right? Okay, so if that's who you are, that means you call your own shots. I'm not from your tribe. I have no issues. What would be my motive to want to violate for one, the nigga went too far, bro. Dude never fought back. Yeah, he never fought back, homie. He never went too far, but guess what? This is where he's on the losing end of the stick at.

23:49Gumby:His wife, Gigi, right? She goes online and puts up three more situations where loose cannon befriends people get them close, it's cool and then puts a camera on them and they attack them. And he puts it up on internet. Marley Mall he got a nigga in the bathroom he got another nigga in the parking lot

24:09Luce Cannon:I was sitting on the little thing, I seen that He befriends him

24:13Gumby:and this is how you know he's doing it because it's already been recorded before it happened

24:18J Reed:That was the most obvious part about it, that everybody knew this was going to happen. Because the dude was already filming for a while before he swings. So who did the dude belong to? The dude that was recording. That's Lose Cannon. One of Lose Cannon's homies, yeah.

24:31Gumby:Right? So what he don't understand is, you already didn't let it be known on your app. Two, listen, two, I ain't touched a man. Three, that man can't tell you he talked to whack that day, the day before, the day after. no day. The only two people could say they corresponded with me was Mozzie with a text that me calling Travis Ford hey bro your boss cancels no need for you to come up there. At that point I'm done with it. I don't think Luz got up here until we was done potting.

25:06J Reed:He was already here. When we walked out there he was playing pool. So he came while we was potting. Yes. Oh so you was here. So why didn't you intervene? I left. No he wasn't here. five to ten minutes when he went out right I walk out and I see two kind of crusty looking older black dudes looking back at me I walk up to them say what's up who are y 'all they introduce themselves I say are y 'all here for whack they say yeah I you know whatever I say alright cool I'm gonna hit them up so I as I walk over to my car I FaceTime whack I say hey there's two dudes who say they're here for you you say oh alright I'm gonna go get them No, I said.

25:47J Reed:And you thought it was some. You said later that you thought it was someone else. But when you went outside, you realized that you didn't know these guys. No, I never went outside. I never went outside.

25:55Gumby:For one, I didn't know the other dude. And I got a little flack from the other dude. I believe you know Poonanny. Everybody know Poonanny from IE. Valley Bloods. Poonanny calls me. I know of you. Yeah, that's my homeboy, right? Poonanny, a rider, right? He calls me. because dude, I guess from like Gilbert Street or something. So now it look like I let a Damu get stopped out by some Crips. But that's the way it looks. No, no, but hold on. Hold on, Gummy. If I walk out the door and a nigga don't say, what's up, Damu? You don't. You don't know him. You don't know him. Because Luce was so many miscellaneous people.

26:37Gumby:I didn't know if he was just one of Luce people. I'm not paying no goddamn attention. It was a bunch of miscellaneous motherfuckers running around here. So at the end of the day, I don't give a fuck with Lou saying. This is why you got attorneys. Let me ask you a question. And this is why you got.

26:54Luce Cannon:This is off subject, though. It's kind of off subject, but it's the same subject. But, okay, when Big U was going to jail, why did he say, I don't know why y 'all ain't going to pick up 600 and whack?

27:10Gumby:Sound like Lou's cat's awesome telling, right? Is a nigga supposed to say that?

27:14J Reed:Because they had been calling the shot before they picked him up. They were basically saying that was going to happen. No, that ain't no reason to go pick.

27:18Gumby:Wait, he's saying why you ain't going to pick them up and take them to jail. Is that how that's supposed to go? Wait up, as you would say on Hoover. They don't bullshit. Huh? Is that how that's supposed to go? Are you supposed to say police why you ain't going to get them?

27:37Luce Cannon:Shit, that's just like Sid. Hey, y 'all might as well come out. They got us.

27:44Gumby:I can tell you what's crazy, Adam. You see that date? January 6th, right? 26th. 26th. Jay Reed, as we found out, filed his report. Top of January.

27:58J Reed:Yeah, about like a week or a week and a half after. Now, this is what I don't know, Gumby. This is one month after he's been violated, right?

28:08Gumby:Now, I want to ask you something, Gumby.

28:14Gumby:One month after you've been violated. This is Jay Reed and Lose Cannon on the phone.

28:22J Reed:Watch this, brother.

28:28Gumby:This is one month after you've been violated. Are they running the play to try to sue no jumper and break the bag?

28:38Luce Cannon:That ass wasn't a play.

28:46Luce Cannon:You Play like that you can't even play like me now Somebody love me. I'm shooting. I promise you do like that. Whoop me out of my clothes

29:11J Reed:I know. No, but at the end of the day, if I, you know. Yeah.

29:22You know what I'm like.

29:24J Reed:I'm already in life. I'm not sure what they need to do with Rick Rock, though. Why can't they keep trying to add fuel to the fire? Come on, bro. I don't know, bro. That's something between y 'all. That's the whole thing. It's everybody that has nothing to do with me. I don't know, pal. What you want me to say? No, because they were saying that all the lawsuits, the police shit. I'm like, Jay Reed is not going to do that. He's not going to do that, man. Listen, listen. That just, who, like, come on, nigga. What street shit puts this shit out? I know y 'all been putting it out, but the nigga that, like, that wasn't a good one.

30:03J Reed:But you have to understand. You have to do it, no? Yeah, but you have to understand nobody put it out. It's just other people was there and it got out. Nah, I don't know. Well, okay. Even if you put it in that sense, right? Mm-hmm. There's nothing that nobody could do at that point. Clear it up. Clear it up.

30:24Luce Cannon:There ain't no gangsta in your neighborhood thing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah,

30:30J Reed:but it's not that. It was just me. Listen to me. I can see if it was just me. You have another individual, bro. I can't control that. But nigga, you went on doing a whole speech, though, cuz. Like, come on, cuz. It ain't no Ricky Lake or no motherfucker. He's nigga just laughing. Listen, I'm gonna be the one on this phone call right now. That it was. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, bygone to bygone. It ain't no gay sin. Okay, that's cool. Yeah, yeah. So let's keep... Are you suing? Are you suing? I ain't answering that, bro. They ain't got nothing to do with me. Okay, so... Wait, he said if he ain't suing,

31:22Luce Cannon:I don't know how he can do that.

31:23J Reed:We ain't worried about Mauricio.

31:28You know, their birthday every day.

31:30J Reed:Yeah, come on, listen, bro. That's a certain. Whatever. We ain't worried about this. We ain't worried about this, bro.

31:39Gumby:I'm sorry. Yeah, we could have just a week. That's cool. Are you talking to a nigga?

31:45Luce Cannon:He just looked you out like that?

31:49J Reed:You gotta worry about me. You gotta worry about me.

31:53Luce Cannon:No, I'm not worried about nothing. He probably seemed like he just done with the issues.

31:58J Reed:Yeah, like, as long as there ain't no fun, you said, no nothing like that, because we straight. Yeah, we're not with that shit, man. Okay. You can't save me. Bro, listen. You know, bro, once that shit get out there the way it did, nobody has no control over that shit. Nigga, y 'all are looking at me. I'm like, why y 'all are looking at me? No, we're looking at something bust-rass Madea Rip-Lock, bro. Because it's a police-ass nigga, bro. No, nigga, y 'all on there on the couch doing some Ricky Lake shit, bro. I can say something, right? No. I can say this, right? Whatever, like this, you know and I know, right?

32:40J Reed:Without saying it, wherever that person filmed it, that was a negative. I know what the motherfucker looked like. I don't know for sure. Okay, well, we deal with that on another time. We don't have no, there's nothing else. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, we know. All right. Well, no, no. I don't handle that much. Okay. Why wouldn't you? Me either. Yeah, we good. So, at the end of the day, it's like peace and love. But I can't speak up on nobody else. But you, I know. That's cool. That's it. Oh. And I'm the only person I know. No problem. And this is what I'm going to say.

33:31Luce Cannon:Yeah, but you got to stop telling J.B. before those niggas to stop lying, bro, because these niggas doing all kinds of bullshit. Bojo shit, bro.

33:39Gumby:I don't know why. I'm going to say it like this. I don't know why niggas keep drinking avocado. I don't know why, bro. You need to say it. Stop that shit. All right. My best advice would be to stop it.

33:56Luce Cannon:So he basically wanted to take it down. They trying to start slaying on you. All right, what? So Rick Rock know him.

34:04J Reed:Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

34:10He just said what he was.

34:14Gumby:So listen, they plotting together. Did you hear Wack Day mention? You niggas was in jail 15 years ago. Now you niggas is on the phone. That's January 26th. How'd you get that?

34:27J Reed:Yeah. Huh? How'd you get that? I just wanted to hear, how do you always come up with all the bullshit? You know, this one specifically, how'd you get that? You really want to know? Yeah.

34:35Gumby:You won't believe me if I tell you.

34:41Luce Cannon:His wife.

34:45Gumby:You know how I got it?

34:47J Reed:Gigi?

34:48Gumby:No. Lose Cannon called me. What what up you up? Yeah. Can you record this call what call and didn't he click?

34:58Luce Cannon:This whole shit is just Hold on

35:01Gumby:Hold on no no y 'all be wondering I get it nigga your old kind sent it here you go

35:16J Reed:You heard me say all right right

35:21J Reed:Why did you think to record it? I didn't know what I was going to record. But you recorded it. He called and asked me to. Why would you think the conversation between Jay Reed, who is a normal random guy. I don't think you're understanding.

35:34Gumby:When he called and said, I need you to record a call.

35:37J Reed:Oh. I don't know who the fuck is going to be on the call. Why would he want you to have the recording? Talk to that dummy.

35:45Gumby:You know the shit I got on my phone in that weirdo?

35:48J Reed:The nigga called me one time. Why couldn't he record it?

35:53Gumby:That's him! Motherfucker! You don't hear me say, alright?

36:00J Reed:Why involve another conspirator? No, no, listen to me.

36:04Gumby:Hear me out. It was all Crips on the phone. I didn't need to be on the motherfucking phone.

36:08Luce Cannon:But being that you, or you, you know what I'm saying, he figured that you could do the most damage with that information. That's what it was. That's what it was. Yeah, that's what it was, more credible. I got him on the phone with Monster.

36:21Gumby:Nigga called me out of nowhere. I record this. I don't know who it is. It's Monster.

36:25Luce Cannon:Oh, my God. He scares the shit out of me.

36:28Gumby:So now I'm going to ask you something. You just heard Loose Cannon and the victim, 30 days later, on here laughing and giggling, talking about why you do that, cuz. You on some Ricky Lake shit. Homie, that ain't me. I ain't tripping. Did you hear that man mention my name in that shit? Did you hear him say, well, you know, Jay Reed, you know what you did to whack? Because Jay Reed ain't never did nothing to me. It's nothing on the record to show me and that dude ain't never had a dispute. We ain't never had a, I don't know him. Only Jay Reed, I know from Inglewood, neighbors.

37:14Gumby:it's more on I just be sitting back waiting for a nigga to play so now here we go you said you the boogeyman you say you the enforcer your phone records per Jay Reed telling Travis Ford show you calling and texting 15 times my contract as I put it up on the internet was done November 21st, 2024. Lose Cannon don't know because you ain't on our contract.

37:51J Reed:You actually think that they conspired to set no jumper out? Bro, listen in to that. Come on, Gumby.

37:57Gumby:Nigga, come on. That's some real street nigga shit. You even got whooped out 30 days later. Are you on the phone giggling and laughing?

38:05Luce Cannon:And how Lose Cannon played?

38:07Gumby:I wouldn't put it past him. Because this is what I'm understanding. I keep hearing he only filed a lawsuit. He wouldn't file criminal. But they did do

38:20J Reed:a police report. But you had to for the lawsuit. So why you don't file criminal if that's what you own? But he's also not suing Loose Cannon, right? This is my point. But I mean, that's pretty transparent. How could you only sue the place where it happened and not sue the person who did it.

38:39Gumby:Wait, not the person

38:40J Reed:that did it. Maybe he is soon as he's canon too.

38:42Gumby:The motherfucker that called you up there. Right.

38:45J Reed:His phone records is going to show that. But that's the question is do his phone records show that. No, that's a fact. You got his phone records? Oh, that's Hall calling right now. Oh, come on.

38:56Gumby:That's his girl. Come on. He in jail. We need to play.

39:00J Reed:Hey, y 'all, man.

39:02Gumby:What up? What's up?

39:08J Reed:What's happening with him?

39:09Gumby:Nothing much. We live. We on No Jumper. Oh, y 'all live on No Jumper. What's the deal, man? What's the deal, man? We gone? Y 'all already told me this is amazing. It's a minor step back. We're a major step back. I'll be right back. That's the thing. That's the way. What's the deal, man? You going to say hi to everybody?

39:27J Reed:Hey, what's the deal? Adam 22. My nigga Lewis. What's that? The Josh. My nigga's poetic flock. What's up with the crew, man? Oh, God.

39:35Gumby:You not going to say hi to Gumby? Yeah. You're not going to say hi to Gumby?

39:46Gumby:Come on.

39:52J Reed:Hawk, I wish you were here so you could smoke this Hoover blunt with us.

39:58Gumby:Nigga, the Hoover's is in here. Nigga, like, what you need? You said what? The Hoover's in here deep. What you need? I need bills. I'm trying to bail out. You already know. I'm going to call you back. I got a deal. You want me to tell them to pass the pot? Gumby, you going to pass the pot?

40:22Gumby:I need to bail out. I'm going to call you back. I got to respect the phone.

40:27Luce Cannon:This is why I'm going to say you messy. He got off the phone real quick. Watch this. Can I text a nigga in jail?

40:35J Reed:I can't text a nigga in jail. I gotta go out the phone. I can't text a nigga in jail.

40:40Gumby:You're talking no under... Bro, I done showed you my phone. And I'm gonna be real. I'm gonna put it out there. When it came to gangster, this real talk, everything Crippen gave me all the info.

40:51Luce Cannon:I'm gonna believe that.

40:52Gumby:On Pirro. Yeah, any y 'all. Everything Crippen from different sections. Watts, the Crenshaw District, the Eastside, And Long Beach all ran it. But you want to blame me because they saw him go at me. Now, the shit they gave me wasn't what I had. I went in from that, gave me the portal to go find and dig. Shout out to the exposures. You know what I'm saying? I got a piss. So at the end of the day, Gumby, when people say things, right? I agree. They got to be held responsible. When people say things, I don't trip it because that's just like when you did the robbery last night over there in West Covina.

41:38Gumby:Right? The motherfucker, you know the nigga, the fat dude in the pickup truck. I don't know what you're talking about. You know you don't give a fuck about that. You know why? Because it never happens. Exactly. You think I give a fuck about a nigga? Now what's crazy is let me tell you what I do like. Let me tell you what I do like. this nigga's on a federal phone in an institution and they went on there to the world and call itself what I call lie snitching. You just baked your own cake out of emotions. Yeah! What? What the one told me? I don't care how you look at it. I'm not tripping it because it's no path or nothing that leads back to that.

42:19Gumby:I ain't got no communication with dude. I don't know, dude. I ain't got no way she no business with you. I played and went bad. You get what I'm saying? No, but what's crazy is his wife showed us this what he do. He'd befriend you, be cool, and then they put the camera and he would do that thinking it was going to give him some notoriety. So what's his point in throwing you under the bus? He's mad right now, bro. That nigga's mad because I didn't... See, listen, I'm the one who put the light on him. Nobody knew what that dude was until I put the light on him. So when I turned the lights off and all his numbers disappeared, what he in jail for?

42:55Gumby:Ain't got nothing to do with me. That's a 2022 investigation. That ain't got nothing to do with me. I didn't nigga know you backed in or none of that shit. And I guess he felt like, I don't know what he felt like. I don't give a fuck what he said. You can go up there and tell the judge. At the end of the day, it's going to come down to facts. Jay Reed is going to tell you he ain't had no dealings with whack. He just did.

43:18Luce Cannon:But the whole thing about that He was too cordial with somebody who just whooped you.

43:22Gumby:That's what I'm saying.

43:24Luce Cannon:You can't. He wasn't on none of that.

43:31Gumby:You see what I'm saying, Adam?

43:33Luce Cannon:I am very intrigued by this call. You know what I'm saying? Let me send it to you. I'm just saying. He got all the bullshit. Yo, bro. Yo, listen. No, but that call was like. why would he ask you to record it i don't know i didn't know i don't think wait so this call

43:54Gumby:i'm at home i'm at home i don't even know it's home before and probably shook on him again it's

44:00J Reed:kind of weird that you think this but that you waited till three hours into this podcast to tell us tell you what that you think that they conspired to setting a jumper up oh no we ran that content

44:13Gumby:on clubhouse. That's a fact.

44:14J Reed:My team already got that up. I am kind of checked out. What the fuck is you talking about? Why didn't you just tell me?

44:22Gumby:Because every time I tell you something, you ignore it. I got to show you everything.

44:26J Reed:There's a lot of that. Yeah, I know. You get me? I got to show you everything. You know what I'm saying? I've kind of like trained him to like only do content with me because I just ghost him a lot of the time.

44:38Gumby:Another dude calls me and tells me that Jay Reed called him to come up here. He just wouldn't do it. I guess he knows you. Just do whatever you just do. I got that. I got like three, four of them.

44:52Luce Cannon:The jig is up, though. We might as well move on to the next subject because he just like, he just, you're not.

44:58Gumby:I'm not worried. Listen, man. Listen, at the end of the day, you let the world know who whack was it. You let the world know up here on your podcast. Right? I don't believe a lot of shit you say and do. You said you was going to beat the shit out of Brick Baby, but the whole time you and Big Baby was running plays.

45:16J Reed:The whole question though is like as much of an idiot as Loose Cannon appears to be, there's no way that there's texts of him saying, hey Jay Reed, this is my bright idea. This is how we're going to get money out of Nojumber.

45:28Gumby:I don't know what it is, but what I'm saying is that does not add up. He didn't sue Loose Cannon. He didn't file That we know of. He didn't file criminal charges.

45:41Luce Cannon:So what was the complaint that he had? What was that? The police report that he had?

45:46J Reed:I mean, it just... The police report specifies that Luce Cannon committed an attempted murder on him.

45:53Gumby:And a robbery.

45:56J Reed:What was your name? Not in a criminal. Okay, but imagine Luce Cannon deciding to do that conspiracy with Jay Reed, knowing that he could be charged with attempted murder.

46:08Gumby:This is what I think you're not getting. When you read the paperwork, let me see if you're going to wake up. The paperwork says he got a gun case, strangulation, domestic violence, and a GTA that's been open since 2022, 2023. And he's running around, you know, lives, doing everything. I think that shit, there you go. That shit said you're going too far. Did you read that in the paperwork? is in the paperwork saying he has been pending cases, a gun case out of San Bernardino, a motherfucking domestic violence by strangulation, San Bernardino, and a GTA out of fucking Orange County since 2022, 2023.

46:51Gumby:Now he did this shit, right? I think they said, you know what? You too violent. You too violent. We got a real you back in. That's what it was. It's in the paperwork. If you go read the paperwork you sent me, It spells out his pending active cases that he didn't have a court date on. Yeah. What do you mean? How you... Now, you watch me kill his shit when he tried to run the play with the Money Mike thing.

47:20Luce Cannon:Money Mike. That's the...

47:22Gumby:Right? When he had his wife text me and say, called me, hey, he said, Big, you said he gonna pin the Money Mike murder. I said, yeah, nothing to do with that. He said, it's a video out there. I said, it's out there. I can call and get it, but it ain't like it ain't been out. Call and get it. I sent it to her. I wait a week. I said, did they charge him? No. I said, where are these three big you at? He went into him at the pharmacy. I said, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. So I had the exposers go in there and find his attorney. You got to pay the attorney. We can find him. They found him. They called him.

47:53Gumby:They said, hey, we the one gave the wife the video, but we gave you the video, no audio. He said, yeah, yeah, I seen it. He said, okay, do I have to come in? Because I have the one with the audio. He said, I need that one. He said, are you guys going to tell him it came from me? He said, no, we need to make it look like it's coming for Tremaine so we can get the credit for it. So can you possibly get him out? He said, I'm working with the AUSA on this situation. And then I took that recordings, right? Woo! It went to the world to let you know Lose Cannon is trying to use this situation to get out and work.

48:29Gumby:Sharice goes on there and says all that's fake but guess what the attorney does sends academics a cease and desist you know what a cease and desist says? no you know what he said? I was being recorded without my knowledge so how is it fake? if the attorney is filing under the grounds of being recorded without his knowledge that means that information on there is real and you and your attorney was orchestrate with them people to turn somebody in on that situation. It's a lot going on. That little dude with his little P.I. in mine, little boy, I ain't never did nothing with you but sit down at a podcast.

49:16Luce Cannon:That's our situation. And the cold water body,

49:20Gumby:I turn around, I got a team and three of them don't work. They can't even get in the thing. I say, hey, baby Cuban Rob, get in that nigga DM. Tell him you want to holler at him. Tell him I'm not doing enough for you. Tell him you want to do music and I'm ignoring you. And I want to see what happens. Play Judas. P-Fault. He hits him. He fell for the fall. He hits him. I ain't told Rob that. On Paul Rowe. He hits him. Does all that. Luce tell him, yeah, I've been noticing. He should be doing more for you. Luce don't ever tell me about the thing. We sitting back. These niggas is mad at me because they're ready to go.

49:57Gumby:What I'm telling y 'all, kick back. Let's let it play out. Bozo, I already was a step ahead of you. Now, what he did tell the truth about is he did call me about the Dosh play, about the Mozzie play. He did call me about that. Now, I'm already knowing about his trickery. So, quite naturally, I'm going to entertain the business, right, so I can make up for my time, right, of what's going on, right? Okay, so here we have it. You told me about the Dosh play, and Wack went and facilitated the Dosh play. Mine is Lose Cannon. Lose Cannon name ain't no damn contract. Ain't no shit. I'm going to let y 'all see it.

50:43Gumby:It says Kaz Jones, Rakita Bradford Jones, and Mozzie. So, Bozo, while you thought you was playing me with my homeboy that I sent at you, I was playing your Bozo ass. You know, you, listen, there it go. You know how to lick your shit. Look at the dates. What's them dates?

51:04J Reed:November 21st, 2024.

51:08Gumby:What does that say?

51:10J Reed:It's an agreement between Bill Kirby and, like.

51:15Gumby:Circle 8 and R &B, right?

51:17J Reed:Yeah.

51:18Gumby:Signature lines.

51:20J Reed:Who is it? Oh, looks like you, Bill Kirby, and R &B. Do you see a motherfucker Tremaine Williams?

51:28Gumby:Bozo. Fuck you think you playing with me. You can go on there and tell all that. If that contract was done November 21st, 2024, that means their narrative of coming up here to do a contract.

51:44Luce Cannon:Yeah. They had no reason to be here.

51:48Gumby:We had 10 meetings in Vegas. at that man's house in his living room. What he didn't know is my woman helped raise him, know his mama and his daddy. His wife, my woman know her mama and daddy. So once they seen who it was, guess what I didn't need no more. It was done. Bozo. Good looking out. Nigga, you fired a cannon backwards. Now you done gotten your emotions while you in jail and lie snitched. They not going to hear the lie what they going to say in jail. Nigga, you said a nigga sent you? Just tell it. Tell it. You did it, not me. I didn't even know he did that. So at the end of the day, Jay Reed, I guarantee you, as fucked up as the shit he did, because you didn't do nothing, he know I didn't do nothing.

52:44Gumby:Jay Reed is never going to get up there and say he had an issue with WAC, a problem with WAC, that WAC said anything to him back there aggressive, derogatory, disrespectful, that I owed him anything or we ever had any misdillings or ill feelings. And he ain't going to say, WAC called me up here, text me, did none of that. So at the end of the day, how did he get up here? Jay Reece says, Luce Cannon called him up here. So if Luce Cannon, you called him up here, them ain't none of my people, all my people on the wall.

53:22Luce Cannon:Well, that phone conversation kind of like, fuck out of here.

53:26Gumby:Let me tell you the bozo part. About three days after this shit happened. Oh, no. Hey, bro, if I call R.B. right now, three days after this shit happened, right? Watch this, bro. I tell you. we go, he said, come see the baby because we still hadn't seen the baby. Remember the baby born like September, October, right? So we pull up, we walk in the house. You know what Cherise says? Oh my God, did you see the video? Did you see what Luce Cannon did to Brick Baby? Luce told me he cut his dreads. This nigga then told his wife that Jay Reed was Brick Baby. I'm looking at his wife. I look at R &B. I look at Luce.

54:08Gumby:Luce does this.

54:12J Reed:I wouldn't believe this about anybody else I swear to God

54:19J Reed:Hold on watch this

54:22Gumby:Bro she said oh my God Hey baby we live Well we went over there a couple days after that Shit happened in No Jumper to see the Kid for the first time And we walked in the house What did Cherie say to us

54:39J Reed:What did she say?

54:41Gumby:Loose Cannon and them's little baby When we went over there a couple days after this No jumper beating happened What did Cherise say to us about the video?

54:50J Reed:Oh about it being Um

54:53Gumby:Brick baby What did she say exactly?

54:58J Reed:She said that The person that was getting beat up Was Brick baby

55:02Gumby:Where did she get that from?

55:05J Reed:Loose Cannon Bro

55:07Gumby:Bro, this nigga's a fucking bozo. And Charisse never admitted, but in her mind, she know damn well, nigga. See, this is the shit going to make her leave. Nigga, you fucking told me that. And I'm looking at her like, I'm like, who, what video of Brick, baby? You know, at No Jumper, I looked at him. He like.

55:29J Reed:What the fuck? I mean, like, does he think that she doesn't know how to look at Instagram? She did, bro. It was obvious. It had been two days. Remember what it was like going through your feed those days?

55:39Gumby:It was obvious either she's a ding back or she don't know because she like, Oh my God, you lose finally. You see what he did to brick baby. I'm like, some shit happened. No, the thing and no jumper. And I said, what? I didn't know brick baby cut his dreads. I looked at him, look, he like clout. I'm not lying to my woman, bro, about my doings, my nigga.

56:08J Reed:That's weird. You know how I proved that Luce Cannon never talked to Drake? When I talked to Brick Baby the other day, Brick said that when he was locked up with Luce, that Luce was saying that Drake wanted to sign them to a documentary deal or a music deal, all this crazy shit, bro.

56:29Gumby:Bro, the nigga said Snoop Dogg wanted to sign him. I reached over to Snoop team. They said, whack, we not fucking with dude.

56:36J Reed:No.

56:36Gumby:That nigga.

56:37Luce Cannon:So because he was good content, y 'all just let him run amok up here? I mean. Hold on. Let me tell you what he did. Let me tell you what he does. Hold on. I'm going to tell you what you're doing. I don't like what you're doing. I'm just saying. Hold on. Wait up, Gumby. Let me tell you what he does.

56:53Gumby:And I don't like what he does, right? Gumby, you know we hate this type of shit, right? My homeboy third over there, right? It's my homeboy third, right? Okay, cool. You see me again, homeboy third, right? Okay, cool. So if you want to get to third and holler at him about something, what you going to do? Call you. Okay, you know what he does? Call third. He gets to exchange information. And then now it's a direct. You overstepped. Yeah, you can't do that shit. Me? With who? With Luce? That's a fact. You didn't know the fuck Luce Cannon was until I sat him here. The only way he could have got your information is if you gave it to him.

57:28Gumby:And why you did that, I don't know. Let me explain to you. You don't do that. He could already DM me, right? You're not hearing me, bro. Because this nigga run a play on your ass, and I can't protect it because I don't know what's going on. You guys are like best friends. No, nigga. Yeah. Third, third. That's like your new head.

57:47J Reed:How many months was you niggas irritated with me

57:51Gumby:because I wouldn't let y 'all go? Many months. So that means we knew.

57:57J Reed:Many months. Yeah.

57:59Gumby:You knew what? Call Cuban in here. We knew. You knew what? Bro, we already sent debate at him and he took it. I sent my homie at him as Judas. And he never told me. He never told me. Listen, if that's Gummy Homie, right? Gummy introduced me to him. And two weeks later, he hit me and say, hey, I need to holler this nigga. Gummy been acting funny. I'm screenshotted and sending it to Gummy. I'm not talking to him.

58:25Luce Cannon:Let me see. This is what he's saying about when you meet people through people, right? Just because they act a certain way with you right here, right? And you have this man as a counterbalance. Without him, you know what I'm saying, they can do anything because he's not involved in saying no. It can be some weird

58:44Gumby:shit going on with him, but if he... I don't know.

58:48J Reed:All I said was that he could drop off a package.

58:50Gumby:But what you're not understanding is earlier that day, right, when he called me, he know he just can't pull up to no jumper with me unless we got him at no jumper. So that was his reason. Not in the morning. He could have came anytime throughout the day. He chose to come when he knew he said to that shit at nine in the morning. He was already out here. So why the fuck do you choose to get here at 6.30 PM? When he's texting, you know why? I want to see you. No, you know why? Because he got do thinking, right. It's a meeting.

59:24J Reed:I'm just saying the alternate story is that he wanted to see Wack. Wack spent putting distance between them. Maybe he wants to reconnect. But that's even more reason why you don't communicate.

59:33Gumby:Because what if it's on?

59:35Luce Cannon:Straight through somebody. Yeah. Yeah. Through straight through. This is just real shit.

59:38Gumby:I be trying to tell you shit. And I think you be taking like I'm trying to tell you what to do. I'm really trying to protect you and keep you right.

59:45J Reed:It's not like I was dying to fuck with loose cannon. Bro, he ain't. He missing what I'm saying. I know. I'm just saying that it's like if you had said, hey, don't have anything to do with loose cannon, I probably would have just literally not had anything to do with that again. What was I getting out of being around loose cannon? Just the antics. Watch this. This is how you know he's lying. This is how you know he's lying.

1:00:08Gumby:His wife run the fake play that SWAT got him. Now we all know that's fake because obviously this nigga got 9 million warrants. He'd have went to jail. Right? He's already saying, fuck whacking 600. Right? he's saying this what do you do? bring him to the table

1:00:29J Reed:for the Brick Baby part him and Brick Baby together that was epic but you're saying

1:00:36Gumby:if Wack would have said I shouldn't have to say nothing I'm glad you did because he was up here lying saying I did and I called in and he's stuttering because everybody's like bro we don't understand why you're going at Wack we don't get it I understood it because he tried to come with the Bozo shit out of nowhere I look up. Oh, what? Check your phone. I shared my location with you. Look what he do. This nigga, I tell my girl, I said, watch this. He say, oh, you see that where I'm at? That's my house. Pull up on me tomorrow. She said, what's going on? I said, he trying to rock me to sleep. She said, I don't get what you said.

1:01:11Gumby:I said, in due time, you will see it. One month, two months go by, right? Watch this. One day, the location disappeared. It was like a Wednesday, right? I said, baby, get up. Let me show you something. We get up, we drive to the address. I said, before we get to this address, I'm going to tell you the house is going to be empty. Right? She said, how did you know this? I said, give him a day or two. The next day, boom, fuck whack. He thought he was big enough. He gave me the location in a spot, thinking I was going to rock me to sleep. But I would only go so far and open up so many doors before I close them.

1:01:48Gumby:And he probably started panicking and realizing like, oh, shit. Now, he got one of my mans. He got creep. How? He regulated creep and had creep doing shit he wasn't supposed to do. Like what? He got creep.

1:02:05J Reed:He got my mans.

1:02:06Gumby:No, he did. On paro, he got one of my mans. This shit fucked with me. What was he getting creep to do? Give him information. About you? Promising him shit about me and the team. Oh, creep. What Creep didn't know is we got two text blasts, one with us and one with him. So he screenshotted the information and sent it to Luce. So this is what I did. R &B watched me do it. Hey, yeah. Yeah, Luce. I'm going to fuck over that nigga Creep. I ain't feeling that nigga. No, what's going on? I'm going to holler at you. I hang the phone up. I wait. I wait. Three minutes later, my phone ring. Who you think it is?

1:02:47creep.

1:02:48Gumby:Listen, he keep running the same play on y 'all.

1:02:51Luce Cannon:Don't y 'all see it? Gumby know where I come from. He keep running the same play. So now he got to let me know. So when creep called out, what's going on? I said, what's up, creep?

1:03:01Gumby:I said, what up, creep? Oh, not much. I said, you all right? Yeah. I said, yeah, shit. I said, you got the call? I was going to fuck you up. He panicked and said, yeah. I said, I bet you did. Click. The next text was to the team. Freak's been compromised I've been watching it We've been new

1:03:25Luce Cannon:Adam I can't tell you

1:03:27Gumby:Cause you already You communicating with him

1:03:31J Reed:Communicating with him I had nothing to do again Why every time somebody on no jumper do something bad Y 'all try to distance y 'all

1:03:39Luce Cannon:He came on three times Three times

1:03:42J Reed:All the time with him besides one

1:03:46Gumby:Listen, I kept you asleep because I was able to eliminate you from anything that might cross. So I intentionally tell you, I got all kind of shit on this phone. I'm not worrying about you.

1:03:59Luce Cannon:You keep running the same play on your arm. Him. Yes, the same play on your arm. What's the play exactly?

1:04:03Gumby:Gumby know what he fucking with. He come from them joints in the streets. Gumby know exactly what's in front of him.

1:04:08J Reed:Stop glazing Gumby.

1:04:09Gumby:No, for real. I can tell you exactly what's in front of him. Glazing Gumby is insane.

1:04:12Luce Cannon:All he's doing is playing one off the other. Listen, if you my boy, right? If somebody says something bad about me, you're going to come back and tell me no matter what. That's what I'm saying. But if somebody do, right? So now if I call you and I ask you a question, right, about anything, and you don't hurry up and tell me what's going on, that means y 'all two. See, I can't use third.

1:04:33Gumby:Third is too serious. He's too militant. He'll get in the middle of it and flip out. Right? He's probably controlling myself, too. I damn sure can't use Lil Jon because he come from some other shit. So Cuban has been around me a long time in Cuban raps. So that's the perfect baiter. Tell him I ain't doing nothing for him.

1:04:55Luce Cannon:See, that's all he's doing is baiting. See, if you're going to talk about him or if you're going to tell him somebody's talking about him. So test the loyalty.

1:05:03Gumby:That's it. And when he didn't tell me. You know he ain't cahoothing. When he didn't tell me. He's been compromised. Listen, and when he didn't tell me. What it was, I already knew my hunch we was on the right track. So now I'm sitting back and I'm just watching the show. I can sit in the presence of my enemy forever and be comfortable. Because before, when an attack comes, it's a thing called a counterattack. But it's only a counterattack when you got to wait to get off. When he don't know the element of surprise is on my side because he's sleeping. I'm the one woke. I'm ahead of him.

1:05:41Luce Cannon:Yeah. Preemptive strike. If I find out some paperwork for him, I ain't even going to tell no one. I'm just going to get your ass and then throw the paperwork to everybody who's crying about your dead snitch ass. Preemptive strike. But yet he get on me about what I'm doing. I didn't say nothing about what you're doing. At least all I did was expose him. I'm not talking about that. I ain't said nobody to the Inglewood Semitare. No, you haven't. But I'm just saying those are the rules that we play by. I never said that you were wrong. I was just speaking about the situation in this particular person.

1:06:12Gumby:Did you shake your head, Gumby, when you was watching it play the day by day? Did you say to yourself, hey, bro, when you going to learn that this nigga is lighting you up to lie?

1:06:22Luce Cannon:I just see this the thing. A lot of people don't see. No, I don't know him. I never met him before. You know what I'm saying? This is why I can't speak from personal experience about him. I'm just speaking about the situation that happened to their community. You know what I'm saying? That was one of their heroes or whatever it may have been. You know what I'm saying? And the thing that it is now is that right is right and wrong is wrong, no matter who it is. I'm saying that's just how we were right. They called one of my Crip parties, know what they said?

1:06:47Gumby:Why it had to be a paru to do it. What difference do it make? If the Crips got some work on a dime move, they got to work.

1:06:54Luce Cannon:Because I just explained to you earlier, a lot of people who are revered, I'm saying a lot of people won't reveal them for sake of who they are or what they mean to a community, I'm saying things like that. or they don't want to be the one that do it. I'm saying you just willy-nilly with whatever. A lot of people don't want to carry the burden of exposing all the snitches. I believe that you willy-nilly when you write.

1:07:19Gumby:I ain't said you was wrong. This is what you do know. Just because Wack got it don't mean he gonna use it. But if you go fuck it with him, he gonna use it. And if Wack knows somebody close to that person they sent him something on, Wack's gonna forward that information to him and bag up. You know why I do that? Because if that individual got the mind to say something to me, I'm expecting you to tell him, hey, bro, leave the nigga alone, bro. He been having some shit out of respect, and he know I know you. He sent it to me and left it alone. Now you go over there fucking with that nigga. I'm telling you what he got.

1:07:53Gumby:You choose to keep playing. And me and you have experienced that shit personally. Gumby, boom, boom, boom. I'm off of it. Ain't my business. Yeah, I believe it. so at the end of the day his whole thing and watch we hear about it of course we are he's gonna say no what we're good at is this Adam invited me up there nigga that was 9 o 'clock you said you was come dropping off some shirts you used that fake invitation as to position yourself to have a reason to come up there so you could tell dude to come up there and do whatever the fuck you was doing because if you hit Adam at 9 o 'clock, you should have been here.

1:08:37Luce Cannon:Yeah. The whole thing about it is that whole thing. You get what I'm saying? The whole situation reeks of a play now we heard the conversation. Like, it don't really, like, I'm not going to be no – if you didn't whoop my ass like that, I'm not only in my – I'm not even going to be around you. I'm not going to talk to you. I agree. I just wonder –

1:08:54J Reed:I'm not going to talk to you at all. I wonder to what extent we would be able to prove those. I mean, they're – I mean, prove it.

1:08:59Gumby:Bro, we're –

1:09:00J Reed:We just heard what he said. Listen, if you – Right, but if I tell my lawyers, like, hey, this is what I think happened, they're going to try to figure out if they had prior communication. They're going to try to gain access to the phone records. Phone records.

1:09:14Gumby:They got the right to go pull those phone records.

1:09:16J Reed:That's all public information, brother. It's also just kind of hard for me to imagine Jay Reed and his homie volunteering to get whooped on that bad. No, I don't believe.

1:09:27Gumby:That's kind of wild. I don't believe he thought it was going to go that far. I think dude is psychotic a little bit, and the adrenaline just kept even going. I have to sell it. Gumby, if we fire on a nigga, right? Gumby, you fire on a nigga. You on a yard, right? And you know you just want to whoop his ass. You fire on him and he drop. You not pulling out your key, Sue? Hell no. For what? No. I think the adrenaline start going, and the psychotic part of the dude. I think the camera start going. Well, he probably wanted to do it like that the whole time.

1:09:58Luce Cannon:Because you see everything he's doing, he's doing for clout. So this is the camera. He did Marley Moore the same way. Oh, yeah, yeah. You seen that one, right? Yeah.

1:10:06Gumby:You didn't notice the camera was already rolling?

1:10:08Luce Cannon:Yeah. This whole situation. How you think he knew where Marley was at?

1:10:13Gumby:They were hanging together. Where you at? On Sun City? Pull up. Okay, this is where I'm at. Dude pulls up. It's a camera already rolling. And you just attack him. You were three dudes.

1:10:23Luce Cannon:So my question to you guys is being that you guys were his boss or his partner. You know what I'm saying? His focus spirit. or anything like that. Lose Cannon was you. I'm asking. He was you. He was your casual acquaintance.

1:10:34Gumby:You see how you came up here twice? That's all he was? Basically. To me, yeah.

1:10:40J Reed:Okay, so. He was moving around with him. He was doing Mexican podcasts with him.

1:10:44Luce Cannon:No, I had to go to the podcast. He paid me. Wait a minute. So you go to any podcast? You just got into it? The essays about, you know what I'm saying, the whole situation when they were talking about signing black artists? I'm leaving. No. No, that wasn't. Don't get them started. Hold on. Don't get them started.

1:10:58J Reed:No.

1:10:59Gumby:You heard what I said. I'll sign Mexican artists. I will not contract a South Sider. You know why. I understand why. I'll do business with the South Sider, but I won't contract the artist because if he turned into motherfucking kid at Lamar, they're going to come at me. I'm going to tell them, fuck you. I'm putting my homies at risk, and then they're going to control the situation by fighting out the artist's uncle in Folsom, blasting him. Now, he ain't showing up. I can't fuck with that. This is how this goes. Now, if you're a Mexican, like Coyote was, I'll sign you. They ain't from nothing. But if you're a Suddeno, I'll do business, but I'm not going to sign you.

1:11:37Gumby:That's smart. The only way I will sign you is if one of your partners has been my longtime Conrad, and I could do it through him. I wouldn't even do it at all. No, that's the only way.

1:11:47Luce Cannon:Like in prison?

1:11:48Gumby:Like if it's like PD's people or something, somebody I grew up with. But just on, I know the politics. You don't understand it. No, I get it.

1:11:58J Reed:I think it's a fair, I'm just saying.

1:12:00Gumby:I never said, but no, I went up to that podcast, right? I didn't want to bring it up. Luce Cannon brought it up. Luce Cannon said, Southsiders could tell on blacks to get away with it. Now, I didn't want to bring it up because we know what the real is, but we know what they're going to say. And we was up there vibing. So then to bring that up brings tension to the room because it was some real serenials in there. But guess what? loose caddy's weight name ain't got no weight. So what do they wake up in the morning and say? Wax said. But they can't show you nowhere on that podcast where Wax said.

1:12:34Gumby:But is it true? It's the truth. You know that's the truth. So it don't really matter who it came from. No, we know it's, but I wasn't, what I'm saying is, like Gumby, it's a lot of shit you can talk about with me and I can talk about with you, but it might make shit uncomfortable because it might be folks dear and close to us, right? I agree. So you don't talk about those things. Exactly. So I wasn't going to bring that up. up there with them because I know where it's going to go. They're going to deny it. We're going to say it is and eventually lead to something. That's how it's always been though.

1:13:04Gumby:But the fact that the next morning is Wack did it. But I get what come with it. I'm the name. Adam, you the name. Yeah, Adam, that's why I blame you. Hey, watch bro. Adam went out there. No, no. Adam went out there and took a picture with the dude probably because he asked him. Who? He said you took a picture with him.

1:13:25J Reed:With Jerry? That's what he said. I don't know. I don't think so. I swear to God he's been saying that. I think I would have seen this by now. It wasn't that kind of vibe. So he lying again. I don't think we took a picture. I'm going to find a comment. I mean, honestly, we might have, but I doubt it. He said he took a picture with you. I might.

1:13:40Gumby:But I know you just took a picture. Like, nigga, I walk out the gas station, nigga, want a picture. I just take a picture.

1:13:46Luce Cannon:The whole thing about it is that that phone conversation was like, like, you probably should get it from me. You know what I'm saying? protect whatever you want to protect. That shit is bullshit. I would never be friends with somebody who beat the shit out of me with a gun. That shit is like playing, bro. I don't give a fuck. If you went too far, I'll still be mad. Bitch, you'd hit me with that motherfucking too hard. If it was a play, you did too much. And this was crazy.

1:14:08Gumby:They're on the phone, right? But it's obviously a problem with the connection. But they keep calling one another to get on the phone. Twice on there. Jayree, I can see you. I can see you. I can't hear you. I'm going to hang up and call you back. So it ain't like he answered to Jack and got blindsided. You see that date, right? J. Reed loose cannon. What's the date? January what? It was January 26th, 830 p.m. This shit happened December 26th. He filed January 3rd or 4th.

1:14:41Luce Cannon:Three days. A month, six days. That's crazy.

1:14:47Gumby:You ain't hear that man Mitchie wack name in y 'all little old. giggly wiggly ass conversation.

1:14:55Luce Cannon:That he didn't have the energy that he was supposed to have for somebody to just beat him with a gun. Hell no.

1:15:02Gumby:And his cuz was regular. What's up cuz? Man, you know we can't be letting him think we got to kill the gangster neighborhood shit, bro. We can't be doing that. They said that two, three times. But I jay-ree say he ain't a gang member. Didn't he have some pedophile shit on him too?

1:15:18Luce Cannon:Yeah, I got that. I put that up. I don't care if he got whooped or lied. You got, come on, bro. It's just. He sodomized.

1:15:25J Reed:Sex offenders can sue as well. He did what? Sex offenders can sue.

1:15:29Gumby:He sodomized.

1:15:30J Reed:Yes, they can.

1:15:31Gumby:Him and two, three other people sodomized a girl. He went to the pen for it too. But at the end of the day, I didn't even know he said that. I hope he did say that. Because that shit going to the streets and to the joint. If you got that emotional to where you went on there and lies snitched in a way that the streets and the prison is only going to hear, you're snitching. They don't give a fuck if there's a lie behind it.

1:15:58Luce Cannon:This is the thing, though. You got that emotion. You think that people ain't already watching these podcasts and have their own opinion about things that people say and go too far? You know what I'm saying? When you go to prison and to me on the main line, they in a federal institution. It's people who feel a certain way about the way you did this or that or the other. You know what I'm saying? He already the shit is not even looking the way it's supposed to be looking, bro.

1:16:22Gumby:I mean, when he came on the podcast that day, I didn't believe the robbery he was telling us about was real. Because I knew the Meek Mill shit was fake. What's the dude? The Family Matters dude was fake. So he didn't rob them people? That's what you said? No, but this is the thing. We didn't find out it was real until the fuck it was in the Rico indictment. We just think he talking. The niggas say he produced for Cardi B, Nas, Lil Wayne. He said he did the Draco Drake soul.

1:16:54Luce Cannon:Oh, so y 'all just, so basically y 'all just had him up here just to act a fool. He did. That's just my motherfucking point.

1:17:00J Reed:But he was telling me that Nas is a cool guy. He's a good guy. Oh, he was good content. That's what I said. That's what I said at the very beginning.

1:17:07Luce Cannon:He was content. You know, but see, this is the thing, though. At some point in time, you know what I mean? Like, content stops being content when it gets too real. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, shit, like, he just did the most the same. He just crashed out, like, the dude who we ain't going to never say name. You know what I'm saying? They just basically did suicide in our community.

1:17:31Gumby:You can't do that. And this was crazy. In the paperwork, the other two people, they named suspects one and two or whatever. They don't got their names. So if them two dudes pop up, cuffed up with their names, best believe he gave it to them. The best thing I can't front that happened for us is that dummy recorded it and released it. Because at this point, we don't have to verbally give a description. It's right there. I'm going to be real. It's a gift and a curse.

1:18:07Luce Cannon:Well, shit. You just been fucking up people's lives. Me? Mind blown. It's late. Me? It's really late. Hold on, bro. What you mean? I didn't say whether it was good or bad. I'm just saying. Like they said, don't kill the messenger. You know what I mean? Bro, he almost smoked the whole Hoover blunt.

1:18:23Gumby:It's not even a bad podcast. Who live? Who? Because you done made three accusations. I never made an accusation. You can't give me no examples. Well. Just give me one. I really want to know. Well, I'm not. I think I'm a pretty cool guy.

1:18:37Luce Cannon:Oh, my God. I do. This is, okay. Okay, well, we'll do this. I cleared you on one. You did. You did. And this is kind of like bittersweet, right? Because I really want to let you have it. Let me have it.

1:18:52Gumby:I want to hear it. Okay.

1:18:53Luce Cannon:I got to go, man. Get your podcast out of here. I want to hear it.

1:18:56Gumby:Okay. 10 minutes 101. I want to hear it. All right, y 'all. I appreciate you guys. Get your podcast out of here. All right.

1:19:02J Reed:Hey, on Hoover, though. Watch out. On Paroo. Watch out. Come on. Let's go. Come on, bro.

1:19:09Luce Cannon:Whatever you mean, because listen, I can't get nobody to keep it real with me. Okay, but listen, this is the whole thing. At some point in time, like the situation with Gangsta, at some point in time, you got to know when to stop. Kept going when he kept going. Okay, but this is what I'm saying, though. If he keeps throwing rocks, right, and you already knocked it out, that's just because he has to. He has to save face. Oh, that don't work like that. He has to save face. Listen, if you like this, let's just go to another situation. You were speaking about what you say bad about Pac, what you say bad about Nick.

1:19:41Luce Cannon:What you the one supposed to have, the sex tapes with him supposed to be doing some other stuff?

1:19:45Gumby:I've never taken possession. I've seen them. I've seen all the text messages. That don't really count if you ain't got no receipt. I won't take possession of them. There you go. Oh, no. No. I know where they at. I can call the nigga and pull up, but I wouldn't take possession of them. I'm not the one that put that out there. A nigga recorded me talking to him and put it out there and somebody asked me. What we say once, we're going to say twice. What I'm going to say, no, that ain't me. I agree. You get what I'm saying? So, but it is what it is. Now, if anybody want to place a bet that is cap, I almost had Vlad until Vlad said, nah, I got a steal shot of what it is.

1:20:23Gumby:You heard him? Anybody want to place a bet?

1:20:26Luce Cannon:Nah. Nah. Oh, oh, oh, oh, the allegations to Nipsey Hussle. See, that's a situation to where even though he's supposed to be our enemy, I don't even want to touch that.

1:20:38Gumby:No, what I'm saying is, bro, okay, Gumby, listen. If something happened to me tomorrow, right, and the tape come out at me wearing wigs and lipstick and running around chasing cats, and it's me, why would my homeboys be mad at the person that put it out? It's me. You got to be mad at me. Are you mad at them?

1:21:02Luce Cannon:Of course. Yeah, of course.

1:21:03Gumby:Bro, the way this shit is now?

1:21:06Luce Cannon:It's just people don't like you anyway, first off. Who don't like you? The general public. Why they don't like you? Because of all the shit you're into. What am I into? You get into it with all the different people. You got into it with Jay Prince. I'm not saying who's right or wrong. I'm just saying your name is centered in a lot of different kinds of things. I got into it with Jay Prince. Did you not? Don't say Gumby.

1:21:29Gumby:You in the joint. You call me, you say, why? My auntie out there, she's 67 years old. She got this footage of Larry Hoover. It's like six hours. She spent$120 ,000. Somehow she got in there, got the permits to get it, and she wanted to release it. And I told her, you're right, you're right to talk to. Can you make sure she's straight? My word. He didn't tell me to do business with her. Told her to make sure she was straight. I would have met with her. I looked at it. I looked at her contracts. She wanted me to call my TV connects. I'm moving with Ye at the time. So I said, you know what? Yay and them doing something with Larry Hoover.

1:22:03Gumby:This shit is very informative. It's positive. Let me call Yay, see if they want to cross something up. And this could be the intro to whatever biopic or movie they doing. They could work together. I called Yay. Yay said, let me see it. I put the FaceTime. He's like, damn, whack, it's crystal clear. She said, I spent$120 ,000 over the last 20-something years keeping it in the refrigerated shit or whatever, right? He said, whack, yeah, we definitely could work something that makes sense. call Jay Prince and then let him know or I'm going to tell him and he's going to call you. Cool. I'll continue my meeting with her.

1:22:36Gumby:Jay Prince called me. Right? What up? What she got? I tell her what she got. It's her? Yeah, she got the contract. Larry Hoover signed it over. I'm looking at it. It's authentic. Whatever, whatever, whatever. Boom, boom, boom. I'm only talking to Jay Prince because Jay told me to. Right? Now, next thing I know, he say, I want to have a meet with her. I asked her, hey, you want to have a meet with you? She said, I don't want to have a meet with him. He makes me uncomfortable. It's a 67-year-old sister, right? She makes me uncomfortable. I said, for some reason, you make her uncomfortable. But I tell you what, I'll arrange a call.

1:23:13Gumby:Right? I said, bro, you know, just keep her respectful. You know, she just wanted, she don't want to do nothing with y 'all, but I'm trying to make it come together. This nigga get on my phone and tell this lady, I'm going to give you 15 ,000 you're going to enhance everything you hear I'm sitting back not tripping but I look at the expression on her face now Gumby hold on you didn't call me from the penitentiary I'm using you because the call come from the penitentiary and said why could you make sure my people stray can you help her with this I look at the look on her face I grab a phone put it on speaker hey nigga what's happening with you at that point it's a problem I feel disrespected now Gumby Have we ever gave a fuck about a boogeyman from another nigga state?

1:24:01Luce Cannon:I know this real shit. I know that niggas don't. We talking about what's right. Okay. So that's how that is what I'm saying. What's right.

1:24:10Gumby:That's what I'm telling you. That's also I'm guilty of being a man of my word to this prison call. Now, guess what? How much percentage of points you think I got in her footage? Nothing. Nothing. Oh, God. Just being a man of my word. Because I've been in jail where I need somebody to do something for me. So a lot of flack I catch. I ain't did nothing. It's just that I won't bow down. He sounds like me. I ain't did shit. Give me another one. I ain't did shit.

1:24:43Luce Cannon:Give me another one. Okay. Let me think. Let me think. No, that situation right there. Like, so what ended up happening to the footage? She still got it.

1:24:56Gumby:What I was saying, she was made to feel even more uncomfortable, froze up. Right?

1:25:06Luce Cannon:She calls me every six months. So what did Larry Hoover's family, what did they want done with it? Even though they don't really have any rights to it? I'm saying like.

1:25:16Gumby:I mean, I talked to Larry Hoover's son in Miami. We was in the same skybox together. He was cool and respectful. I told him, bro, you may want to be the one commentating on it, whatever, whatever, whatever, right? Now, without saying too much, the contract she has gives her solely and primarily all rights without no timely restraints to all platforms for his likeness and all this. Now, let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Why would he give her that? He could have put his wife's name, his sister. He could have put his kid's name in there. She was going to do the right shit. Gumby.

1:25:58Gumby:Why would he give her that? Because he trusted her. Gumby. I just said it. Why would he give her that? Because he trusted her. You've been to jail before, right? She's going to do the right shit. Huh? She's going to do the right shit. What makes you cater to certain people like that? Business.

1:26:13J Reed:Business. To get that something in promise.

1:26:15Luce Cannon:Listen, that was the best person for the job. That was the best something for the job. Why would you do it? Why did you do it? You ain't slow. I'm just asking. And I just been keeping it respectful. Okay. So give me another one. I didn't even go. Okay. We're going to leave it at that.

1:26:29Gumby:You know what I'm saying? We're going to leave it good.

1:26:31J Reed:That's what I'm saying. Come on.

1:26:32Gumby:You should have did the same thing with the other shit. We were talking about that. Give me another. No. No. Because that's some street shit. I understand. I understand. Regardless of how you look at it, I'm from Paul Rue. Well, I'm from Compton or not. Okay. That's not even the point here. So it's a different thing. where somebody from Compton Crip is coming at me. I'm thinking like you coming at me to take me down for no reason. But the thing about it is that, look,

1:26:58Luce Cannon:I understand what you're saying about you have to do what's right, right? Now, the situation with that situation with the Larry Hoover shit, like the film, and like a lot of people don't get an opportunity just to hear both sides. They only hear the attack. You know what I'm saying? What you just explained to me, we've been watching it, right? So what I'm saying is that he basically pushed up on the old lady and you the hero. That was basically what he said. Bro, I did what I supposed to do. You called me from the joint and said, bro,

1:27:23Gumby:can you look out for my people? Now, I done caught all this flack, and I still ain't told the lady I need a cut. That's how it be. I'm just doing what I was.

1:27:35Gumby:I don't even have that conversation because the homie, you know what I'm saying? You done been to the joint. You know what I'm saying? That ain't even what it was for. That ain't what it was for. I was just, and really, I should have just took it and did the TV deal. I was just trying to bring it all together. Because a lot of youngsters don't know.

1:27:52Luce Cannon:I understand. But see, a lot of times when you try to be, whenever you take on a responsibility, if you don't take it to fruitation, it's going to be bullshit. You know what I mean? Just like it was. You can't hand her off to these people. Hey, bro, I challenge anybody.

1:28:06Gumby:Put a situation in front of me, I'll start it.

1:28:09Luce Cannon:No, not that you started. Not that you started.

1:28:11Gumby:Come on in front of me.

1:28:13Luce Cannon:Okay. Now, nigga, I'm an Aries. Okay. I'm an Aries, nigga. Oh, here we go. So you know. He's my April 1st. We ain't going to fuck with you.

1:28:22Gumby:But if you fuck with us, we going on. And that's the same. I'm April 1st. I'm April 7th. I'm March 26th. So y 'all know. We don't fuck with nobody. But if you fuck with us.

1:28:36Luce Cannon:And this is what I'm saying. That's what I keep telling you. I understand the situation that you said. But I'm just saying, in some situations, sometimes you got to take a little bit off for not just the person that you're attacking. No, I could have. Let me show you. That's the same situation. Let me show you something. That's the same situation that we had with old boy, right? He attacked me, right, with a Hoover icon. You threw a whole icon under the bus. No matter what everybody else say, you know what I'm saying, this is what you did, and you were supposed to be from our community. You know what I'm saying?

1:29:10Luce Cannon:So at some point, you got to say that, wait a minute, that's too much.

1:29:13J Reed:He's been here to tell you that you was in the picture with him.

1:29:16Luce Cannon:So, he don't like Trigg. He don't like me. What did that say? No. In the green? In the green. This is because he's still talking for the tie.

1:29:25Gumby:That's his homie. I'm telling his homie. Tell him to leave me alone. You reading it?

1:29:31Luce Cannon:I see that. See, they don't tell him about that. I see that. He kept going.

1:29:34Gumby:I see that. Nigga, that's smelly-mell, nigga.

1:29:36Luce Cannon:I see that. And, Nick, listen, that's the thing. You looking at it. I know. Stop. Don't say who it is. Nah, fuck all that. because everybody think I'm on bullshit.

1:29:44Gumby:I reached out. That's the same thing. I reached out. I said, homie, tell dude, leave me alone, bro. All right. He kept going.

1:29:54J Reed:Right, right, bro.

1:29:55Gumby:If a nigga throw a rock at you, bro, a pebble at you, and you got a pebble in a boulder, what you going to do, nigga? You know we throw in a boulder. That's how we get out. So I'm waiting, Gumby. No, I think you holding back. I want to hear this shit. I did wrong.

1:30:17J Reed:I wasn't.

1:30:20Gumby:Listen, I'm telling you I want you to put it in front of me.

1:30:23Luce Cannon:Okay, look. Put it in front of me. Okay, look. The whole situation about how our community felt and feel about you and your relationship with the neighborhoods. Hold on. Wait before you say anything. Now, a lot of our people, you know what I'm saying, they feel a certain way because of your ties to Big U, right? And we personally know that there has been a situation or two where he has basically stepped on our toes. One name even I can think about is with the homie Shorty Shorty. I'm saying he had a homie. That's my nigga. Okay, well, he looked out for Shorty Shorty. Okay, well, I'm just saying, wait.

1:31:08Luce Cannon:From Baltimore, right? Yeah, from Baltimore. Listen, it was a situation, but I'm saying we know for a fact that he was actively, and you his sidekick, trying to keep us up out of the limelight. So wait, now listen. What limelight? Of getting into the industry. This is what our community believes. What you mean? Wait, listen to me.

1:31:26Gumby:Y 'all had it. Listen, I'm going to keep it real with you. Y 'all had two things going on. Wait, what? What artists did we have? Y 'all had Tiger over there? No, we didn't. No, no, nigga. I don't give a fuck what you saying. Okay, go ahead. That was Hoover Card business. Okay, go ahead. Right? That's how the world's seen that. Okay, I agree. And then you had the negative working against y 'all had 6-9 over there. No, no, nephew. No, wait, wait. When he come into town, Alshon.

1:31:53Luce Cannon:Wait, this is no. He disrespected the city with the hoovers with him? Wait, stop. No, no. This is what I'm talking about. Wait, stop. He wasn't? Wait, stop. You want to talk about the backpack thing with turned it up with the G homie? Wait, stop. Wait, stop. Listen, at that point in time, right, listen to me. Those are two huge situations. No, wait. Why y 'all didn't capitalize off of them? Because, wait, stop. Stop, listen. The first situation was the situation with who? Tiger. Okay, Tiger. Okay, Tiger. Huge audience. Tiger was down in the 50s dealing with them. Stop. Hoover was nine, no deal.

1:32:26Luce Cannon:Because of T-Roy. I understand that. Security was from Hoover? Okay, no, no, no. Management was from Hoover? Wait, wait, stop. Wait, stop. Wait, stop. You can't even do it that way because you know Hoover is a broad term. you know what I'm saying wait wait wait stop stop stop what I'm saying is that's opportunity it is but wait wait that's an opportunity you didn't stop that wait wait stop stop stop because the nigga Tiger was already on his way wait stop wait wait wait stop listen it's not y 'all everything winning was Hoover no wait wait stop stop listen so therefore listen this is the people that we're talking about right that's T-Rail and his brother and them this is the 50s

1:33:03Gumby:we're talking about what the Hoovers had access to

1:33:05Luce Cannon:Okay, stop. Regardless of who had it, the Hoover Card had it. Okay, what's the other one? We'll just pass that one. Okay. We already just said it. Alshon, 6 '9". Stop. Y 'all had control of him. We didn't have control. Just stop. Stop. First off, listen to me. Gumby. Dude, can you listen? I was here for that. I was here for that. Okay. Don't wait. Because I wouldn't let him come around me back then. First off, I agree. Listen to me. When he couldn't. Listen. Alshon, ever since the situation that he's been lying to the world about, listen to me. Stop. Talking to business. We didn't block that. Wait, stop.

1:33:36Luce Cannon:I'm trying to show. That ain't no business for us. Wait, stop. That wasn't any business for us.

1:33:40Gumby:So why y 'all let him come over there? We didn't listen to him. Y 'all didn't trip until he didn't cooperate with the backpack giveaway. No, that's not true. Your G homie called me.

1:33:47Luce Cannon:That's not true. I've been on that nigga here. You know G homie tripping? You know what I'm talking about. Listen, what was that weekend that he was out here and he was trying to, and they wouldn't let him perform in any club? I was doing, I was downtown at the Bellagio. I had Gucci men at the Bellagio. I told him to come down there for a reason. Alshon didn't bring him down there. I didn't say it. I said the way our community sees it. I didn't say whether you did it or not. This is your opportunity to say whether you did it or not just like Adam did. So I'm telling you how we feel about the situation, how we see it.

1:34:16Luce Cannon:Wait, no. If you give me an opportunity,

1:34:19Gumby:I'll tell you why. What business do you know I did with Big U? We helped him get the Nipsey deal. We definitely did that. But what business did I do with Big U? You know what's funny? You know why Big U got into it a little bit too? Because he had a little group called on some bullshit and he felt whack wouldn't do nothing for him. OSB. Okay, wait, wait, wait.

1:34:40Luce Cannon:Right? Wait, stop, wait, stop. Wait, I was making a point. But even if I did do something, what's the problem? Where's there? No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, that's not. We're not talking about your affiliation. I'm about to line your big homie up. You can't do it. I got you, go. You can't do it. You can't do it. I'm warning you, I got you. But you got me. Let's go. Ready? Listen. Go ahead.

1:34:56Gumby:One day I was at the Harley Davidson store. Okay. And by the way, I picked Big U and Hoover D on the phone for the first time. Wait, wait.

1:35:04Luce Cannon:Okay, go ahead.

1:35:05Gumby:On my mom. They was talking about it. Used to say Hoover D used to run around and write, can't stop Hoover D on the signs, how he had F-bone on the run in the Astro van. They laughing about it. Big U laughing with HD about how he was busting on his own homie. They on my phone laughing, right? how the 50s and the 60s was once won. That's true. I was just about to get to that. But one day, you heard what he say about the Hoover family, how they feel about it. One day, I'm at the Harley-Davidson dealer in Lancaster. I run in the HD Sun. I said, hey, the homie, did y 'all get everything straight up there at the cemetery?

1:35:45Gumby:They said, nah, whack, we showed. I said, the homie ain't got no identity on the ground. They said, no, I wouldn't handle it.

1:35:51Luce Cannon:I know. We know about that. Right? Listen. Young Magnificent. Andy from St. Louis? Wait, wait, wait. That ain't what we talking about. What is he talking about? You won't let me make my... I'm trying to show you the way the situation was looking to us because of everything that was going on. Hussein.

1:36:12Gumby:Hussein. That's who went insane, right? Hussein. Long Beach Carter, you can pull that up. Went down there and blessed him, right? With Savvy? Savvy? Savvy? No, that come later. Go put in Bridging the Gap. DJ K Slaywag 100 and see what you see. Okay, but wait. Now here go the thing.

1:36:32Luce Cannon:What obligation I got to the Hoover car? Nobody. You don't have an obligation. What the Hoover car did for the coin. Wait, listen. I'm just asking. Did y 'all bring us something that we didn't kick it out? Wait, no. But I have fucked with the Hoover car. Wait, no. Listen, that's not exactly true. I didn't, bro. Wait, stop. I didn't sign the Hoover. Wait. Wait, no. No, wait, no. You're not finna get all that. He on some bullshit right now. Did I not? No, wait, stop. The bad? But wait, stop. Wait, stop. Wait, stop. Wait, no. We not talking. We not going that far back. This is present day whack. We're talking about when y 'all was up.

1:37:06Luce Cannon:That's 2022. When him and Big U was the Shaq and Kobe of the whole city. You were running plays on everybody. We were listening to you on the internet. Plays on who? The whole industry. Who I run plays? Wait, first of all. I'm just asking. Well, maybe you not rushing because you wait. Let me just say something. You was the brain. You was the brain, bro, so stop. Listen. There's probably a lot of shit going on I didn't know. This is what I said. This is what I just told you. This is how y 'all are seen. I'm bringing all this to a head. Is there a tape or anything on the internet where you and Big U are talking to Bone from BPS about a situation.

1:37:48Luce Cannon:What was that situation? um, by some filming. Okay. And what was said in, in, in that? The question was, this is how I don't know. Okay. Well, okay. We can get it. We can get it pulled back up. What was it? What was it? It was the situation was basically y 'all questioning him about whether he was fucking with the hoops. And he basically said, well, I don't fuck with the hoops, but you know, so I can do pretty much do what I want to fuck with. And he was, somebody said, somebody said, uh, they, no, somebody said, okay, well you should just fuck with the six holes. That's that was on the internet.

1:38:20Luce Cannon:He was trying to do some filming somewhere. I'm not sure what it was. I remember that. I'm just telling you the clip.

1:38:24Gumby:What I did know is Big U had to run over there to get whatever permitted get ever done. It was some white folks. Bone was just part of it. Now, the white folks is communicating with Big U. Big U called me about it. When I hear Bone is involved in this shit, I call Bone. Bone mentioned he was thinking about doing it over there with the Hoovers. I said, well, them white folks are saying it's a problem, permit problem, whatever the fuck going on.

1:38:49Luce Cannon:They don't like our community.

1:38:51Gumby:Right. Yeah, but whatever it is, I said, eight of them problems don't exist over here, so if somebody got to get the money and you can't do it over there for whatever reason, this nigga's already cleared to do it over here. What's wrong with that? That didn't sound like what you were saying or that motherfucker.

1:39:07Luce Cannon:No, that's what it was. That didn't sound like what it was. No, I remember what it was. I remember. Huh? That didn't sound like the conversation. There was some filming shit. No, no, no. It wasn't about the recording. It was a short clip. Yeah, I remember the whole conversation, though. And the conversation was basically telling them not to fuck with the homies. Go fuck with the 6-0s. So that's where all this came from. So whatever the back end story is, we didn't hear that. We had a table. And what? Who was at the table? Wait, wait, wait. No, listen to me.

1:39:36Gumby:We did have a table. Okay, but wait, wait. What I'm saying is that. Crips and Bloods and Power Rules and East Coasters and Sands. And that's where y 'all went wrong at.

1:39:41Luce Cannon:No, no, we didn't. Y 'all didn't have no homies there. What you mean? We balanced the city. What you mean? You know what the problem is? No, you know what the problem is? No, you know what the problem is? Fuck y 'all mean. And I think y 'all gonna agree.

1:39:55J Reed:Okay, go ahead.

1:39:56Gumby:You niggas in y 'all own world. Y 'all don't even be trying to politic with the outside communities.

1:40:03Luce Cannon:That used to be true.

1:40:04Gumby:This is why. Because you can get niggas out to Jones, Compton, Watts, the Valley, Long Beach, everybody at the table.

1:40:15Luce Cannon:Let me ask you a question. That's your question. Right. See, this is the whole thing that really makes the situation on the Internet kind of like difficult for everybody to navigate because we have to navigate. We don't know what this other person is about, what this, that, and the other. But we have a situation here where you're saying that there was a whole community of all the Crips, Bloods, and everybody who had some type of say-so, and you guys excluded the Hovers. We didn't exclude you. We excluded ourselves. Y 'all never came to the table. Wait, wait, wait. What I'm saying is that the people who you have access to are not really.

1:40:53Luce Cannon:You can't say that. Wait, wait, wait. You ain't from over there. Wait, wait. I'm not talking about from where I'm from. My community. That's what I'm talking about. From my community. Ain't no access, nigga. Wait.

1:41:04J Reed:Ain't no access because you niggas don't come out to play.

1:41:07Luce Cannon:That's not true. You just was playing with the wrong people. Everybody, listen, except for, I heard you say, I'll take that back. I already see a couple of homies, names from whom that still got love and respect. But the people that you speak about, first of all, are not the people who you post. I won't even say who you're supposed to. I'll say that's like you talking to. I'm going to be real. Wait, wait, wait. Your neighborhood, I have the least amount of contacts to.

1:41:39Gumby:Because of this right here.

1:41:40Luce Cannon:This is what I'm saying.

1:41:41Gumby:Y 'all don't be out at the functions, the business functions. I don't know where y 'all niggas be.

1:41:48Luce Cannon:Well, like I said before.

1:41:49Gumby:Out shot, dude.

1:41:52Luce Cannon:This is what I'm trying to explain to you. This is what I'm trying to explain to you. Let me explain to you why he's doing it. How the West was one. We had a meeting. Remember the meeting at the Sheraton? Wait, listen. At the Universal Sheraton? Let me wait. Everybody was doing the music shit.

1:42:02Gumby:Everybody in that neighborhood. Ain't no who was there.

1:42:05Luce Cannon:Because this is what I'm trying to explain to you. Who you were tapped into, right? They're not. They don't have. I won't even say they won't. Who would this be supposed to take their artists? Wait, wait, wait. No, this would be said. They're supposed to take their artists. Wait, let me explain to you. Wait, look. Listen, we come from. And pull the fuck up. We come. Listen, we come from a community.

1:42:21J Reed:Niggas get their little shit. Niggas get their little shit.

1:42:22Luce Cannon:Listen, we come from a community. Nigga, how are we supposed to control that? Wait, stop. Listen, that's not even about you controlling it. What it is is this right here. The people who are in positions to do everything that you're talking about, they won't bring him here because he's going to outshine them. Wait, stop. Stop. That's not your problem. I get that part. So wait, you're saying you, but you're saying is that you act, you're saying that this is why we're not there. And we're telling you that, wait a minute, you know, other people other than this cat, right? Why is nobody else? Why he's not bringing around anybody?

1:42:51Luce Cannon:I don't know. Why? That's the question. Why don't you, when you see me, you're going to see somebody that somebody listen, wait, when I see you, it's the second time in my life. I seen you, nigga. Listen, third. Well, I talked to you last time. Yeah. I ain't see you. Okay. Yeah. But what I'm saying is that everybody you see me coming around with is going to be somebody because I'm somebody, just like you. Look at the homies out here. Let me tell you what they used to do. If you see somebody, listen, Donnie, if you see a motherfucking white boy, right?

1:43:19Gumby:Ain't nobody going to go looking for y 'all. Y 'all got to come out. You got to show up, nigga. You're absolutely right. And this is what we're talking to you in our community. We and my nigga AD and K-Day, How the West Was Wrong, Crush Groove, all that. We created them shows. So this is why you would see a bunch of niggas on them because I was the one that put the talent on them, right? Mm-hmm. When nephew from 20s called me, he said, whack, I got Kalen for real, for real. I didn't know who the fuck he was, but I'll do nephew. What you want, I got 10 minutes for him. Bring him up here. Game and menace, nigga, was getting into it.

1:43:51Gumby:When the food towns called me, whack, if menace get up there on the game show, nigga, game wanted to whoop my ass. Why you keep putting menace on my stage, right? So I used to take hits for looking out for niggas. I never tell me a hoover that said they called whack and got denied

1:44:13what did I tell you

1:44:15Luce Cannon:I understood that he didn't call me a white boy called me and I said

1:44:21Gumby:for me to fuck with him he need to drop the 6k now watch this I said because the powers that be are going to close the doors tell him to get on and then he can add whatever he want later on. I said, but at this present time, I can't

1:44:41Luce Cannon:do it.

1:44:42Gumby:I can't do it.

1:44:43Luce Cannon:I heard that. I heard that. But see, this is the whole thing, though.

1:44:45Gumby:A white boy called me from Oxnard. We understood that. Trey Wade didn't call me. And then I got on the phone with him and told him, I said, bro, it's not smart politically to do it that way because if Big U got some friends, they're not going to fuck with you because of that. exactly so nigga you got to take

1:45:08Luce Cannon:get in that was the whole shit anyway though this is what I'm trying to explain to you I never had heard of the nigga I know but this is the whole script though you're asking somebody who this is who he is right wait listen but you just said you just said that you just made an analogy earlier that if you you turn over the paper and you do the numbers on whoever it is you're gonna turn it over and you're going to fuck with them. You can't go back on that. Yeah. So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait, wait. How could it be when it was just the last situation?

1:45:42Luce Cannon:Okay, so watch this.

1:45:43Gumby:Wait, wait, wait, wait. One of the biggest places to go get features and work done at that time is the city of Atlanta. Say what you want. One of the biggest movements in Atlanta is what? How I'm going to take him down there with Lil Baby? How I'm going to take him down there with QC? How I'm going to take him down there with all these niggas that's tapped into 6-0. How the fuck am I working?

1:46:05J Reed:Yeah.

1:46:06Gumby:Now, if he just trainway, that's one thing. Out of respect of doing business with WAC, they'll roll with it. But the rest of the shit he had on there, come on, bro. I'm telling you, bro, I said you shoot yourself in the foot.

1:46:22Luce Cannon:Yeah, it wasn't a good situation. I understand that. That's business. Now, he didn't want to listen. Okay, but I'm saying. I can respect that. I didn't want to do the business. That's okay. You don't have to do the business, right?

1:46:34Gumby:So we were y 'all to tell him the nigga telling you right.

1:46:37Luce Cannon:Listen. Get in the door. This is the whole script with our community. This whole industry situation is different for us. You know what I'm saying? We're just now coming up out of a lot of, like, we get everything over there last, right? So this is why our story is so, you know what I'm saying? We didn't took over the internet just about all the shit that we talking about, right? Okay, well, here you go.

1:46:56Gumby:Wait, wait, wait.

1:46:57Luce Cannon:You with G? All that.

1:46:58Gumby:You got, you got. I got, do I got it? 716. Is somebody in every facet that's going to stand with you? Can I say something? Yes or no? Yes. Is it somebody in every facet in that 716 going to stand with you?

1:47:10Luce Cannon:You know what I'm talking about. Can I just say something to you?

1:47:14Gumby:If you that, put the hoovers on. Say nothing more. Y 'all got the biggest story in the world. But here goes the problem. If you got a nigga from 43rd up to 11 dudes that represent going to stand with you, why y 'all don't grab that camera? We already own that. Right?

1:47:34Luce Cannon:Wait, wait, check this out though. Wait, I got something. No, do a real show. Wait, we got all of that coming. Just hold on. I got a question with you. It's never going to happen because you saying it. I bet you. You playing. I bet you. We already had our business with you. You forgot our conversation. Who you working with? You forgot our conversation? No, I'm saying you said. My conversation. You said you already doing it. With real tunes. With real tunes. That's my partner out of town, real tunes. Well, who we... What we waiting on? I was supposed to be in fucking Houston getting my equipment already.

1:48:05Luce Cannon:I already got my whole shit left out. See, that ain't gonna work right. Why is that not gonna work right?

1:48:09Gumby:Because you need a situation that's gonna come in there. They got a thing called the Streets of Compton. You ever seen it? It's a four-part episode. Streets of Compton. The Streets of Compton. Our executive produced it. I did it through E1. You need somebody that's gonna come in there. I was just about to say, I was just about to say, I was listening. You need somebody that's gonna come in there. Yeah, let's hear it. Go ahead. Come in there. script that shit shoot that shit put a budget behind that shit and make it go but you know why it's never gonna work cause every faucet gonna think they bigger than the next deserve a bigger cut

1:48:41Luce Cannon:can I just say something to you can I just say something to you the things that you're talking about right is already worked up listen my whole thing is that with the opportunity is the same thing with Adam only thing is it's a show and tell you just said that

1:48:55Gumby:but you do understand I can line it up for you, right? And map it out. And that's the play. But for me to be overly involved would be a violation. Because for me, before I do the story of Hoover, I got to do power rule.

1:49:12Luce Cannon:Well, no, that's not necessarily true. Those are two different ways. I have to.

1:49:16Gumby:If I'm going to put the time,

1:49:18Luce Cannon:it's an even bigger story with that, right? Wait, wait, wait. Am I right? At this point, the climax that we have right now, We here now, right? You guys and every different fraction already had a situation where they had an opportunity to tell what's going on with their situation. Now, right now, it's our turn. This is why you see all the Hoover content, right? So what I'm saying is that's a good business. The Hoover content right now is good content. I don't mean the content. I'm talking about the numbers, right? We're in everybody's mouth. Stop right there. We're not going to debate what's going on.

1:49:47Luce Cannon:I'm making a point. The whole point is that right now, it's our turn, right? So it would be a wise decision. It's your turn.

1:49:55Gumby:Dom moves in these buildings bro

1:49:57Luce Cannon:I don't know what the fuck you mean by that we're not disputing who building we in in the buildings overall

1:50:06Gumby:that right side is the ones in position I agree we don't have a problem with it but here goes the problem a nigga don't want to step in something to where it's a problem

1:50:18Luce Cannon:but this is the thing there can never be a problem if there's an understanding and this is what we're doing right now You're debunking everything that my community Is feeling about you This is what you're doing Throw them at me So this is what I'm trying to explain to you The world see us I just take the situation of Africa again bro Like it's kind of hard to get inside our community Because this is who we are But once you hear Y 'all the renegades are gangbangers That's not true

1:50:48Gumby:Nigga when y 'all drop the blue bandana Outside of the 50's No no That's not true Dropped a cripple and went to a criminal. Bro, that's not true. That's not a lot, nephew. That's not true. I don't know who you are. That's true, bro. I thought them niggas was out they mind and was going to be exterminated. That came from. But they survived, nigga. And I always give y 'all credit about that. Them niggas survived and got different.

1:51:10Luce Cannon:And this is what it is, though. And this is what it is, though. Bro. Everybody, wait. This is what it is. You got homies that diss to see.

1:51:16Gumby:Of course. I got homies from no. Huh?

1:51:18Luce Cannon:They don't got C's across home.

1:51:20Gumby:No, they diss it. Okay, so When y 'all became them type of renegades You think something that didn't come with that?

1:51:28J Reed:But look, the homies They tripping on that They not out there It's directly to the neighborhood

1:51:35Luce Cannon:Would you look at me like this, boy? Would you look at me like that, boy? I'm waiting for my turn Okay, so what's my cut? Hold up What's my cut? What's my cut? We don't have a cut yet Yeah, of course If you facilitate anything, you're supposed to get a cut. That's business. What's my cut? Whatever the books say it's supposed to be, if we're doing what we're supposed to be doing, which is business. We ain't even playing. You bullshit, see? You hear bullshit. I will tell you this, Cole.

1:52:03Gumby:Look. The culture of inner city gangbanging of L.A. County, the world, overseas, both foreign and domestic, knows the name Hoover. They don't know us. It's on y 'all to show them what it is. Exactly. You guys, just like Snowfall, got a 10-series, 10-part episode situation over there. But this is the thing with Snowfall.

1:52:25Luce Cannon:The thing about it is that that was a situation that was like our situation is that we want to explain to the world who we are, why we got beef with these different people, why we live the way we live. That's another part of it. We ain't talking about that.

1:52:40Gumby:That's just a documentary style. Why don't you allow a series to happen? I got it already written. Where my phone is?

1:52:48Luce Cannon:I got it already written is what I'm telling you. I already got a script written by the dude from CBS. We way advanced. We waiting on somebody to help put it together. I just told you who we working with. That's all. We have a story that needs to be told because it's a lot of controversy about our community. And people are looking at us like we ain't who we say we are. You know what I mean? Period. It's a lot of money that went through the Hoovers. Yeah, of course. So that's a lot of poor decision making too. I mean, this is a community though, just like yours. I'm pretty sure. You don't even know that the people who come here in that truck, they really know you.

1:53:20Luce Cannon:They from Pacoima. That's where I shop at. They sit up to tell stories about you and your people. Tank, they know you. You know what I'm saying? So it's funny. Like I was telling Tank, it's funny how this situation all came about. Like when we was in the hole together, I know that this nigga right here, the controversial nigga in the city is your homeboy. Very clear. You talking about Lamar? Lamar, pleasure. I don't think you're supposed to be saying this man's name. That's my homeboy. I'm Cass Jones. Nigga, I'm Cass Jones. That's a good dude. I'm just saying.

1:53:50Gumby:I understand that. He's the only one that could do what he do in our neighborhood if we don't pay no attention.

1:53:57Luce Cannon:Because we just grew up with this nigga. You know what I'm saying? Real life, real shit. But at the same time, that's my, our whole thing is it's our turn because the light is on us. So can I ask you a question?

1:54:07Gumby:For real, though, because I'm not one of those egotistic dudes. Yeah, you are. No, I'm not.

1:54:13Luce Cannon:Keep going. No, for real. Okay, let's hear it.

1:54:14Gumby:I don't like how do people look at me like I could do a lot of shit. I don't be, I don't see me as that because I got goals I'm trying to reach. So I don't pay attention to where it's at because I'm trying to reach other goals and shit. Right. So you, are you telling me people look at me like I'm the answer to shit for real?

1:54:33Luce Cannon:You have, well, you, you, you're in a position to have, this is what happens. You, you didn't position yourself. You didn't position yourself to where you know, a lot of people. and you make yourself available to a lot of people's needs so that in turn this is how you get all your KGB strategy we got that from jail

1:54:56Gumby:but I keep hearing I'm just a valley so I'm confused that's what they say about me I just told you my nigga tank now me and you both know them yards

1:55:06Luce Cannon:we don't see no parks no highways none of that You got to get out.

1:55:12Gumby:The one thing I can say, and a lot of people will say, the Pacoima niggas is always solid. I fuck with them. Right? So, but at the end of the day, I believe, actually, I don't believe. I know y 'all got a story.

1:55:23Luce Cannon:So what are we going to do about it? That's just the end of that. I mean, you already got the script. I know. We're talking. I can email that to you, but that's not. The whole thing about it is that.

1:55:31Gumby:You said you need somebody to finance it.

1:55:33Luce Cannon:Not even that. Put it together. See, the whole thing about it is, see, I can only tell my side of the story, but that's not my community side. I got these old niggas that we're talking about. This is what I'm saying.

1:55:44Gumby:It ain't going to ask too many. I don't think y 'all are going to have them. No, it's not.

1:55:47Luce Cannon:I already got to do the documentary already. That's what I'm about right now. Yeah, but I'm saying, I think somebody's got to have a problem. Everybody got a problem with everything, right? So this is what it is. It's how it's going to work. This is how it's going to work. It's going to work. But I will tell you this.

1:55:59Gumby:Wait, let me ask you a question. I got real comrades from 6 '0. Wait, let me just say something. From 40s, from 90s, from East Coast. I know them too. 89th Street and Mary is the second home to me. Okay. Shout out to my nigga Deco. Okay, what does that mean? My nigga Young's out of six dudes. I got comrades from everywhere. And so do I. This is what I'm trying to explain to you. So why are you saying as if it's a neighborhood day?

1:56:21Luce Cannon:Because that's the narrative that was being portrayed when you was buddies with Big U. That's the narrative. That's how we felt. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't that many opportunities. Because of the boom of it. Of course. Whatever the fuck the name is.

1:56:35Gumby:Big U went out his way to stop no Hoover business. I don't know about no shorty shorty shit. That's nephew. I ain't never heard of it.

1:56:42Luce Cannon:What it is is that perception is everything, and we know that. So what did he do to stop shorty shorty business? It was just a situation. I tried to take him on tour.

1:56:51Gumby:He turned it down.

1:56:52Luce Cannon:Why? I don't know.

1:56:54Gumby:I tried to take him on a blue face tour. I asked him.

1:56:56Luce Cannon:If I'm not mistaken, I think Big U is trying to basically keep trying to manage him or just be in the business. Shorty shorty? If I'm not mistaken, I can find out about the fight. I didn't know nothing. That was new. But the whole thing about it is that the powers that be, you know what I'm saying, where, you know what I'm saying, this is our opinion. It's not, you know what I'm saying.

1:57:12Gumby:So y 'all wouldn't let Big U manage Shorty Shorty? Would Shorty Shorty let him manage it? I mean, I don't know. Shit. I mean, if he could, I don't know what he could have did for him. I mean, we created a big perception of what he could do. Like, nephew figured it out. He's like, they knew it wasn't him, but it was shit that we could make happen for him. I understand that. But the problem with the Hoover card is you motherfuckers be over there in y 'all world and you motherfuckers don't come out unless it's to wreck some shit and get back.

1:57:42J Reed:I'm not fucking doing it.

1:57:43Luce Cannon:There's not nobody there that can bring a crowd out. This is the issue right here. The issue is not, like, this is the perception that we're trying to correct. You know what I'm saying? Like, I used to throw concerts and all my homies there were no issues, bro. You seen it. I had the boost. We ain't wondering about that. It just all got it. Who's your artist? Who y 'all working with? I was getting to that. Don't nobody know. I was getting to that. Brother, can you calm down, Mr. Cash? Damn, calm down. I'm feeling crazy. I ain't getting... Man, listen, stop talking about people who can't... We're not even going to talk about that.

1:58:14Luce Cannon:I got a situation that I need you to kind of, like, lend me your ear with real quick, and that's the situation with my little homie, Magnificent. What about him? Listen. Magnificent is one of the most... One of the One of the One of our Like this Don't get the Don't get the smirk of this shit bro Let me get my shit back bro This is not funny Let me get my shit back bro So what's going on with Young Magnificent? Listen In order He has to be in a certain environment With certain Situations In order for To get the best out of him Right? He gotta be babysat I didn't say that bro Why he always got to be Trying to be on some bullshit Listen bro I didn't say that

1:58:57J Reed:I didn't say that

1:58:59Luce Cannon:But what I'm saying is that, listen to me, certain people have to have certain situations in order for them to perform in their system. You know you're lying to yourself. I'm not. Listen to me. This is why when the situation happened with him and he defected, this is how I said, we always have an argument. Okay, but this is what I'm saying. He was around. He was in the element to where if we had everything in place, he would have worked. You know what I'm saying? But when you get in a situation where he feels that he has any type of leeway and he can't do what he's going to do or he want to be his own man or he want to do some other stuff or whatever, he don't have anybody that's his size.

1:59:40Luce Cannon:So what is it going on with Young Magnificent you want to talk to me about? What happened? Well, we're trying to get his music released. We're trying to get him. I've never stopped Young Magnificent from releasing music. I don't know the contract he has. I'm not going to get involved. I definitely got a contract, but I've never stopped him. That's what you told me. I've never stopped him from releasing music. Wait, wait, wait. If he released me. Wait, stop. Wait, you can't look. This is the bullshit. You never stopped him releasing? Okay, I'm listening. Go ahead. I've never stopped him. I've never stopped Savvy Third.

2:00:09Luce Cannon:Okay, so let me ask you a question. I've never stopped anybody from releasing music. What would we have to do in order... Do you want to buy him out the contract? Yeah, stop. Can I get what I'm... Stop trying to act like you know where I'm. This man is getting on my nerves right now, bro. Can you just let me get it out? Yes. We're trying to work a situation out because he has music, right, that can benefit. Wait, that can benefit.

2:00:30Gumby:Just give me half of what I spent.

2:00:32Luce Cannon:Okay. And what's that? I spent about$1.20 on him. I take$1.20. Okay.

2:00:40Gumby:And this is the thing, though. Now, did he tell you what happened? He did what he did, right? This is not even the same. So the Paul Rue was at the studio. A Harlem Crip brought a 107 Hoover to the studio. There's four, five niggas in the studio that been there six, seven months. I got asked a favor by Harlem because that was his family. I turned around, brought Kevin Gates to the studio, took some other artists and gave them to this Hoover. Totally. Hey, bro, I'm about to drop a marketing bag and I'm going to give you the bag. I need you to promote and engage with the people. Good, good, cool.

2:01:20Gumby:I dropped a marketing bag. I give him a bag. When I give him a bag, I dropped a marketing bag and the marketing bag is working. You seen the numbers going crazy and he disappeared. I guess when he got through spending all the money, he resurfaced a month and a half later. By this time, the engagement of the market, the lack of engagement of artists on the market. And I spent that shot him. You seen what the numbers was doing. They like, well, where's he? Because he disappeared. What I gave him his bag is over with. When he came back, I didn't get mad, but I got this thing. When I go out there and spend my money and do what I'm supposed to do, your product, your marketing in your pockets is right, right?

2:02:05Gumby:And you run off and don't do what it takes you to do for free. Now, when you come back, I'm not going to shelf you. I'm not going to stop you. I'm just not finna make you priority cause the last time I did

2:02:18Luce Cannon:you didn't make yourself

2:02:21Gumby:priority I've never said nothing ill about him he called me I pick up I smile all that

2:02:28Luce Cannon:that's all fine listen but at the end of the day so in all actuality we need him the Hoover community has put me in the rears okay and we're trying to correct that the correct way like I explained to him you're not gonna take him serious if he don't Do what he's supposed to do.

2:02:44Gumby:Now, if he go out there and on his own, get it going, and I see he didn't apply this self, that's going to tell me, oh, maybe he didn't learn this lesson and he know what to do. Maybe I might want to jump back out there, but only a fool would jump back out there. That's insanity.

2:03:04Luce Cannon:I understand.

2:03:05Gumby:I don't even know why the nigga disappeared. I said, where did the nigga go? Am I telling a lie?

2:03:11Luce Cannon:No, you're not. But at the same time, we all got emotional in situations. You know what I'm saying? We don't know. We all got situations. I don't come from that. We got situations, bro. Uh-huh. He got situations. You know what I mean? So. At the same time, this is the business. So y 'all feel some kind of way.

2:03:24Gumby:No. So this is how it goes. No, wait, no. That nigga did this, that.

2:03:27Luce Cannon:No, wait, stop. And he got the homie. Wait, stop. And he got the homie. That's exactly how we feel. Exactly. Let's stop. Listen, we try to correct some shit. At the end of the day, the whole thing about it is that we're trying to get him back in order to pay you back, right? We need a whole distribution deal that you already have. We just need you to distribute the new shit that he got to pay you back. Let me get this right.

2:03:49Gumby:Y 'all want to buy him out of contract, but then you want me to distribute.

2:03:53Luce Cannon:But you already in penny for a pound already, bro. You got dope you can't even sell, and you know he dope, but you wouldn't even fuck with him. You know what I'm saying? So if we can whip the dope right, if we can whip the dope right. But an absent artist? Wait, he's not going to go. Listen to me. Listen to me. Listen, this is what I'm trying to explain to you. It's a difference. It's just like if a motherfucker does your brother, little homeboys, right? He can get away with shit with you, right? But he can't get away with shit with these niggas. They know all. You get what I'm saying? And that's the part you're going to have.

2:04:25Gumby:You're going to buy about the contract. Yes. And then you want me to distribute it. That's business, right? So y 'all going to do the marketing and the promo? Or y 'all want me to do that too?

2:04:34Luce Cannon:We can handle what we can handle. And then, of course, because you have interest because you're... That's where Big U...

2:04:45J Reed:That's where Big U's morning you at. You know what Big U going to say?

2:04:50Gumby:Nah, what? Big U going to say, let us buy you out the contract. And then we need you to do this, that, and that. This is what I'm saying.

2:04:59Luce Cannon:It's in your interest because you got dope you can't sell. You know the dude hard. He hard.

2:05:04Gumby:Listen, I just got a call last night from Hood Trophy Bino. And he's a blood. It might get me out of high water.

2:05:12Luce Cannon:I don't think so. I don't think so. He's a pebble. Oh, that's the homie Bino. Oh, yeah. He's a pebble. I'm a guy. What's up with it? What I'm saying? He's a pebble. Blue face coming on. Okay. What's the controversy with him? Huh? What's the controversy with him on the 50-50 yard and all that shit? 50-50 yard? No, that's what they were saying. That's what a nigga, a nigga.

2:05:30Gumby:You got it. What's the nigga named B-Braves? This is a nigga. Wait, hold on. This is a nigga who got caught 18 months later with the same 380. Any nigga that's putting it. Wait, listen. Any nigga that's putting it work with the same gun for 18 months, you're deaf, dumb, or you're broke. You got to be dumb. Yeah, he broke. So what it is is I won't respond to him. Out of respect to my homeboys over there, out of his community. So now what he's doing is I'm going to pick at Blueface. Blueface ain't going to respond to him.

2:06:01Luce Cannon:Blueface's on his way home. It's a whole bunch of crips I see. You be riling up everybody, bro. Everybody talking about you doing some talent. I ain't going to lie. Who? Everybody. I didn't call you that. But you know the rules. I do. I'm just saying. And whoever did that, whoever said that. Let me ask you a question. Wait, let me say what I'm going to say. I ain't even said that, right? I'm just saying. Listen. Listen. You know the rules. I do. So this is the same thing we all get caught up here.

2:06:26Gumby:It's enough of your homies here and enough of mine here. Wait, wait, wait. We can get one in. Who we can, but I didn't call you. I didn't say nothing.

2:06:32Luce Cannon:Just hold on. Don't lose the guy. Goddamn. Just hold on. I'm saying, listen. So by people accusing you of that, right? Why he upset himself up. I'm asking why people accusing you of that, right? Numbi. Wait, I'm asking the question. B-N-Y-L. I was about to say the same thing.

2:06:46Gumby:I was just, that was my fucking point. Do you think, and he understands this perfectly. Do you think if there was anything out there with my name on it, it wouldn't be headlining news? But in this world, if you say something, 30 % of the world going to believe it anyway because it was said. Right? You get what I'm saying? If I leave here right now and go to the club, I'll say, y 'all wouldn't believe Gumby showed up with a midget chick. For the next five years, you had a midget. I don't know. That's why it's in the war of propaganda, yeah. Right? So what I'm trying to tell you is, it kind of feel good a little bit, because when a motherfucker is trying and trying and trying, and ain't nothing there.

2:07:33Gumby:See, when you hear a lie about yourself as a strength, you know it's weak. It's funny. Because you know it's a lie. Right. You get what I'm saying? I understand completely. So again, Gumpy. What happened? You think me being me, if it was anything out there on whack. my whole point.

2:07:49Luce Cannon:Where will it be? It was my turn. This is when it was my turn. When I went from being in prison with all of these people, right, all the way through everything and still able to come walk around with$200 ,000 with the jury and everything. If you would have heard one thing in the hovers, listen to me about me, you would have seen me tied up somewhere dead. And this is what I'm saying. Wait, wait, wait. So that was my whole point. It's the same shit with you. If you were there, it would have came out already. You would have what come out? It would have...

2:08:15Gumby:Gorilla Hebrew come out, boy. Everywhere.

2:08:18Luce Cannon:Everywhere. with your...

2:08:19Gumby:Nigga, you what?

2:08:20Luce Cannon:Adam would have been the first, like, hey, Wacker, Wacker, just what? You know what?

2:08:25Gumby:And you know what's crazy, right? Okay. Is every story or every case they know about me, you know where they heard it from? Me. I tell them about my cases. I give them the case number and everything. So, you know, I'm not a betting man, but I'm a short man. I give a nigga a case number, everything, no problem. I don't give a fuck. I ain't never had no crimes. Oh. I've been known for sending niggas home. I send homies. Homies, no. You go to jail with Wacky, he gonna send you home. I'm known for that. You gonna take the case? Nigga, if it's... I didn't send homies home and just took it. Oh, God.

2:09:02Gumby:Because I had the means to fight it. I don't want a nigga over here crying about, let's just take that. What I'm like, nigga, I ain't got no attorney money. What would that be?

2:09:13Luce Cannon:You get what I'm saying? See, the thing about it is that in order for a lot of things.

2:09:18Gumby:That motherfucking almighty P-Funk does that strong, but they gotta fabricate something. Nigga, I feel like Martin Luther King. I feel like Martin Luther King. The Crippen gotta stop that. The Crippen gotta stop that, Gumby. Because guess what? When this P-Funk provide to work, whether it's red, blue, or green, I provide to work. If I say it, I show it. y 'all doing a lot of talking and no showing man i'm in nigga i'm in like i got that type of real

2:09:52Luce Cannon:estate on you niggas bars like that man you like that situation bro like kind of fucked up a lot of shit which one just the last one i'm talking about the one with yeah my old boy yeah i didn't release it all i think you should just leave it alone again because you know what i see them

2:10:08Gumby:go on there and say i give my life to the lord and he started apologizing i left for the lord but you seen on the phone I was telling this homie hey bro tell okay

2:10:17Luce Cannon:okay like listen I'm an Aries too right listen to me I'm kinda like people say I'm an extremist but I'm really not right so what ends up happening is that I get everything you're saying but I'm saying the collateral damage like sometimes how much shit do you start none but the way we finish it is so big it look like we started it they didn't forgot who started they just wanted the shit to stop they didn't want the shit to they don't even fuck who started just stop

2:10:43Gumby:Hey, them jeans are just a motherfucker. I get it, bro. Fuck them motherfuckers hard. I get it, bro. I get it. I get it. I mean, at the end of the day, I pride myself. I don't start nothing. But I'm going to finish some shit. You can't tell me one nigga I started something on.

2:11:01Luce Cannon:Okay, well, the comments are going to tell us what you started with because they're going to bring up. Who I started something on? I'm not a whack historian, so I don't really know. But I'm telling you, they're going to come with it. I don't. It's so much gummy.

2:11:12Gumby:If I showed you the shit I got. I believe it. But they ain't getting nothing to me. I don't say nothing. If you ever hear me telling a nigga, hey, homie, you better go. I got it. I got a thing called the war chest, nigga. We got everybody's shit. All kind of shit. Anxious shit. All kind of shit. All kind of, all kind of. I believe it. You get what I'm saying? So what I'm saying is people think I'm going to come into this space. I'm going to attack whack and get the clout. and then when they do it, I counter them, I'm the bad guy. Nah, I don't think that's... Bridal tried me for Carver. Hey, Bridal, didn't you tell your homies on the kid not...

2:11:52Gumby:Didn't the nigga knock you out of Victorville? This nigga don't bullshit, bro. He just bust out. Hey, did you tell... What the fuck is that? What the fuck is that? This is real talk. He came on the thing. I didn't know him. But in his head, if I'm a getter... See, this is what they do. I'm from here. I'm from there. He from there. boy you are fucking with a nigga boy this mind to mind my resources my reach it ain't gonna work and the dumber I play the more I know I don't mind playing possibly get close get him bring that nigga a little closer leave people alone

2:12:32Luce Cannon:what the fuck bro I'm trying to do business here he's still trying to attack people Well, listen, back to Magnificent, bro. We need to have a conversation on some real shit about him, bro, because I feel that.

2:12:44Gumby:I've never hindered or stopped Magnificent. He didn't drop some shit. I don't stop it. I don't pull it down. He'll tell you that. Savvy 3rd told you the same. We didn't release. Savvy 3rd, old man, started five albums. I have never stopped nothing he's done. Right? Never. Now, young Magnificent, he did that crazy shit to himself. I took a Kevin Gates feature from a nigga and gave to him. Song Hard as a Motherfucker. Young Magnificent said some shit on that song. It was crazy.

2:13:18Luce Cannon:Listen, but my whole point is that... He don't trust you anyway. It's not even me. He ain't fucking with you. Yeah, he is. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he is. Oh, yeah. He ain't fucking with you. I'm going to take him down into T-Rail. Oh, that's definitely out. I don't hope he's starting to play. Don't disrespect the homie like that. He ain't going to a motherfucking T-Rail. What's wrong with the 50s, nigga? I fuck with the 50s. I tell you, Fultry to the wrong way. But we already got a situation that we got going on. Stop starting shit, bro. Why you playing, bro? Goddamn. Why you playing so much, bro? Some real shit, bro.

2:13:51Luce Cannon:We already got some shit going on. What? Friday night on the 10th. Listen, boy, shit.

2:13:56Gumby:Listen, boy, shit. Listen, man. We finna wrap this shit up. Okay, bro. Today been a long, wild day. Long, wild. I forgot. I always thought he was from the A.T. Gangster community. And then when I walked in and saw Young Ash, it made sense. I'm like, okay. But I knew he was someone in the 83rd. I didn't know it was Hoover. But that's a whole nother that you got a camp down there? Where? In the Hoovers. We are. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. We're just down there. We finna make something happen though, man. What are you trying to get in touch with? Yo, what you call it said keep his name out your motherfucking mouth.

2:14:36Gumby:Nigga. Who the fuck? No cornflakes, all milk.

2:14:39Luce Cannon:Who the fuck is that? Oh. You just had to, he just had to just bring, he, okay, now listen. Did he say that?

2:14:47Gumby:I don't believe or think what he says is the right thing.

2:14:52Luce Cannon:Listen, I'm not at liberty.

2:14:53Gumby:I beat Milk on his commentator. I'll fuck with him though. I'm not at liberty. Milk let you know the seven foes is original groove. And this is what I'm going to say. I'm not, I'm not at liberty. Did you dispute that?

2:15:05Luce Cannon:He said the Sevenfold is the original group. Well, I mean, that's what he would say if he's from Sevenfold, right?

2:15:13Gumby:And old boy Bub said he's from that community. Yes, that's true. He is from that community. So why are you hating on him? I would never hate on my big homie. No, with milk. With milk? Bub say milk from Sevenfold. Said he bled over there, held his homies over there, put work in, squabbled up over there. You just hating on him because he popping more than you on the internet.

2:15:34Luce Cannon:I mean, if that's what you want to say, but that's definitely not true. You know what I mean? The situation with that, you know what I'm saying? I'll just. He don't come over there no more? I've been home 16 years, never seen him. Oh, never? Ever. There's some movers that know him, though, don't they? They should say when they were kids. Listen, listen, you can't. Our community is kind of fickle. if one of these little dudes don't come around for four or five days like when he get back he gonna have issues so if you been gone milk ain't never coming back this is what we trying to explain this is what we if you just go hey don't let them niggas bait you in listen milk doesn't body good we ain't got no issue with him you know what I'm saying but like I said before you gonna cut him into the documentary If he has something to say.

2:16:27Gumby:You only got two white dudes over there. What pertin? How many white dudes? Two over there? Two. He the only one?

2:16:36J Reed:Huh?

2:16:38Luce Cannon:White dude? Yeah. Multicultural, right? But at the same time, right? I fuck with Milk. You gotta be doing something to be still part of your community.

2:16:50Gumby:Milk is doing his content, leaving the fuck alone. Ain't nobody bothering him. He trying to poke fun at me and do whatever he's doing.

2:16:56Luce Cannon:You keep doing what you're doing. Keep doing what you're doing, brother. No peace and love. He ain't hope you get there.

2:17:02Gumby:Leave Milk alone. I didn't, but his content is Hoover content. You get mad because he light-skinned.

2:17:07Luce Cannon:That's not true.

2:17:08Gumby:That's a fact.

2:17:09Luce Cannon:That's not true. I'm not letting you bait me and fuck with him. Shout out to the Caucasian Hovers. Hey, yo, look, that situation.

2:17:18Gumby:So the Hoovers really felt like, now listen, my neighborhood connection is my neighborhood connections. My insane connections is my insane connections. East Coast, same shit. I got connections

2:17:29Luce Cannon:everywhere. We just trying to tell you that your Hoover connections wasn't connected. No. That's why we trying to tell you, bro. I really didn't have a lot of business over there. And we understand that. It really was. But see, this is the thing. When you got somebody who's gatekeeping, like y 'all call it, they would never bring anybody there that's more powerful than them. You need a representation. Exactly. This is what I'm saying. This is, I keep saying our community is just now starting to catch on to the whole YouTube shit. You should do it. You can do it.

2:17:58Gumby:You fuck with everybody.

2:17:59Luce Cannon:I do. You got your team. Your team with you and niggas gonna fuck with you.

2:18:03Gumby:Why you doing it?

2:18:05Luce Cannon:Why you think we here talking about Magnificent? Like, we got projects for him already. You know what I'm saying? We got work to do with him. And I'm saying he already owe you, bro.

2:18:14Gumby:I feel like this one in them damn Godfather meetings trying to give me an ultimatum. No, I didn't know. What do you mean?

2:18:21Luce Cannon:No, we just trying to talk about business. That's the correct business because you had him for a minute. He messed up, right? Okay. I don't say nothing. I don't get mad at him. Okay. I took a L. I didn't get mad. But that's not even it.

2:18:34Gumby:The nigga disappeared on me. I'm like, damn, nigga. Did you see that nigga numbers? Nigga, that nigga broke. I seen that.

2:18:40Luce Cannon:And we just trying to get back to work. And the nigga just disappeared. We just trying to get back to work. I know y 'all, bro.

2:18:44Gumby:I'm like, what the fuck?

2:18:46Luce Cannon:Bro, y 'all, was y 'all watching this Spotify? Yeah.

2:18:52Luce Cannon:We just pulled up on us two days ago. This is what I'm saying. So this is, this is, this is what I'm saying. My whole thing with you is that, look, the problem with you and him, in my opinion, is that you won't be able to

2:19:07Luce Cannon:corral or keep in check his personality. Wait, wait, listen, wait, wait, listen to him. Let me explain to you why you have to. So he won't disappear. Wait, let me show you this to me. Same with me. He's not an artist here. Wait, wait. He's an artist that's being shaped. Right? He's got some shit.

2:19:25Gumby:An all-star quarterback that doesn't show up for practice will never be a quarterback.

2:19:29Luce Cannon:But maybe he's not. He's on the first string. He's not starting yet. He has to be groomed. Your brother don't show up to camp. He will never rank up in your camp. Exactly. So this is why we're trying to switch camps. We're trying to switch camps. We're trying to switch camps. Bro, the nigga disappeared.

2:19:47J Reed:I was going to say what? Practice? He disappeared.

2:19:50Gumby:Bro, I'll never forget. White boy come see me. I cut one white boy 40, another one 50. I guess somebody else 30. Gave him his bag. He watched it. I said, start tomorrow. I need you on deck. Brought the TikTok people. Put him with him. Everybody with him. I pushed the button. Y 'all witnessed them numbers. I had him everywhere. You didn't see a post. You didn't see nothing from the nigga. I couldn't find him. The nigga got there and disappeared on me. I can't be him.

2:20:26Luce Cannon:No, you can't. You definitely can't. And neither can we. But we feel that we'll be able to manage, you know what I'm saying, the things that you have going on a little bit better than you will because it's a little bit closer to him.

2:20:36Gumby:Yeah, but Gumbi, he ain't going to fuck with you, bro. He is. He told Alshon Martin he was asleep. He was blown in his ear.

2:20:42Luce Cannon:I don't believe he told him that. I talked to him. He said that's not true.

2:20:45Gumby:No, he said it.

2:20:46Luce Cannon:I heard it. said he was sleeping in the car wait that's not what you just said on the clubhouse

2:20:51Gumby:because I called Elshon

2:20:52Luce Cannon:he called me to call Elshon okay wait wait wait what you just said the last time was that Elshon told you that now you're saying that you heard him say it wait why didn't you say that

2:21:04Gumby:because after that he called me to call Elshon

2:21:07Luce Cannon:okay Elshon got on the phone and said what he said

2:21:12Gumby:and he said we was rolling around in the car and the nigga did start blowing in my ear. I'm talking about wake up. Wait, what?

2:21:22Luce Cannon:Let me show you on the phone. I don't even want to go through that, bro. I don't even want to go through that. I got the content. The conversation is this right here. The conversation is this right here, right? The conversation is you going to give him to us or not. That's the conversation. That's the end of that bullshit. That's the end of that bullshit. We not even going to play like that, bro. At all. right but so are you gonna give him to us or not um do we have any action because he has music he's bullshit nigga bro i'm not nigga you're gonna want to do the business yes yes i'm saying we the reason you want to do the business he has he has a sound i'm releasing if you want to do the business please that's all we're trying to do is business you're trying to pressure me bro i would never i'm just this way i'm being humble as possible i can't you did you did you did you You did all the whole little twist to me.

2:22:13Luce Cannon:I've been humble. I've been humble. That's what I'm saying. But I'm handling it good. I'm trying to make sure I don't get in no trouble. But I think, listen, I'm going to be real.

2:22:20Gumby:I think he's very talented. But he lacks what it takes to be an overall artist. He lacks discipline and the drive to want to do it. Talent is fun. Talent is undeniable. And there's a lot of them out here that's talented. But they lack the discipline and drive to do what it takes.

2:22:45Gumby:He ain't got no problem with the mic when it comes down to everything else you got to do to engage with the fans. I don't know if he's intimidated by it or I don't know. But, nigga, I don't think he understand how. Nigga, did you hear that song I did on him, The Gang Bang? I ain't never featured on a nigga song. You ain't done. You didn't hear that? Mm-hmm. All right. Bro, that nigga EP was crazy.

2:23:19Luce Cannon:It was. Nigga disappeared.

2:23:21Gumby:7-16. The Kevin Gay song nigga was True Cards, and he been high.

2:23:29Luce Cannon:Oh, huh? So you gonna release him? Huh? So you gonna release him?

2:23:34Gumby:Wait, you gonna bring me in my bag?

2:23:36Luce Cannon:Yeah.

2:23:36Gumby:I'm still taking the hell. I take the loss for it.

2:23:38Luce Cannon:We don't want you to take the loss. No, I take the hell. Let me explain something to you. This is the whole thing. I never shoved him. Okay.

2:23:46Gumby:But if y 'all just, you know, y 'all don't want him tainted with the P-Fone.

2:23:51Luce Cannon:See, he going to stay on some bullshit up here. That's not what we said, bro. That's not what we said at all. What we said is that we need to put all our pieces.

2:23:58Gumby:I got to go see Stunner this weekend for, you know, for Beano. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to see Stunner getting Blueface budget right.

2:24:05Luce Cannon:get his budget understand what we're trying to do with him we know we have to corral him we know we have to you know the sad part about it don't even do it

2:24:18Gumby:the only reason why I wouldn't want to do it and I'm going to do it why wouldn't you want to do it because if you lock all the way into y 'all it's going to be another Malcolm X story

2:24:32Luce Cannon:I don't think so I hope not But what it is is that, see, with everybody that's that. The biggest killer, Hoover, is a Hoover. That's not true.

2:24:42Gumby:And they going to hate on that man.

2:24:44Luce Cannon:And he ain't no punk. That's the thing.

2:24:47Gumby:He ain't no punk.

2:24:48Luce Cannon:He's not. But this is the thing. Once you're on board with everybody that's supposed to be on board with, you have no issues. Right? And this is why you have to stay in line because everybody, you're supporting everybody. You know what I'm saying? You didn't have that over there. He cannot show up. If he don't show up, we're going to call all the go to land. Can I see who out there land? Where that nigga at? Go to that fat bitch house. You know what I'm saying? Let me know. You know what I'm saying? I'm about a dollar and a$25 or something. Okay. You know, give me a little 50 ball. See, the whole thing about the distribution deal, we want to be able to distribute.

2:25:23Luce Cannon:You want me to assist y 'all getting distribution? Yeah, you have distribution, don't you?

2:25:27Gumby:I got a bunch of distribution. Okay. But how about I just set y 'all up with your own distribution? That way it can just be all hoover.

2:25:33Luce Cannon:that's what we wanted. That was the whole, let's do it, I'm finna go. Look, that concludes the Gumby, terror great in these niggas. We out.