Matty Boy on Creating the Family Affiliated Irish Mafia, Caught with 150 Bricks, Prison & More

30:37You've got all these adrenaline and testosterone going through your body and you feel like you're bulletproof and you're, uh, I don't know. It's just like, bro, we was on missions, man. And it was like me, especially, you know what I mean? My brother kind of tapered off, thankfully. And I just I became infatuated with that power, too, bro. It was like when I came home from state prison, it was like I had intentions in doing good. You know what I mean? I wanted to do good. But then I came home and that admiration, that power, I didn't feel it no more. I'm going into these fucking job sites and these people are treating me like I'm just a normal person, which I am just a normal person.

31:20But at that age, I didn't, it was like, nah, this ain't for me. Right. So, I mean, it feels like in order to get that reputation, you just have to like basically show that you're not fucking around over and over to the point where people like really kind of get that into their heads. But like, like, like how long did it feel like it took from your perspective before like, you know, people wanted to be affiliated with you. And I mean, I guess there's like different mentalities with it where you could either keep it a very tight knit circle or you could kind of aggressively expand and take people on that will be useful to you.

31:57I mean, that's kind of a big decision. Yeah. But I think a lot of times bro, in, in all little groups, what happens is people become infatuated with the story and whether or not somebody actually gave them permission to be something, they just take it on. You know what I mean? It's like I imagine that a lot of the people that say they are that are just saying it because they wish they was. You know what I mean? Because I feel like we kept a little tight knit group for the longest time. And there was only a few of us. And then at some point, man, like. honestly i feel like once i got to the feds that shit was morphing into a whole different thing that i could have imagined like it's just out of control because i mean you have different types of organizations some are like top down where you have like a leader who's basically like calling all the shots and then some it just becomes this like massive blob expanded group like when you look at a lot of street gangs in chicago or la or whatever it's like there's nobody who could really tell them what to do.

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34:01people just started claiming something because probably because they admired it. You know what I mean? It's like a couple of young kids, man, started something that grew into what it is, man. And they was like infatuated with it. I mean, bro, I've had like writers reach out to me and they was like, bro, I'm from the Bay Area. I never heard of anything like this. And they become so infatuated with the story that they like lightweight, obsessed over it. You know, they got the Hispanic gangs, the black gangs, whatever gangs. They got every type of little factions that you could think of. And then they got some white boys in Rodeo that are starting something that is making a lot of noise in the streets.

34:45You know what I mean? So people are like, wow, what the fuck is going on over here? So and then especially in the Bay Area, bro. I mean, when you were looking at it, when you look back at it, though, were you moving like a calculated criminal or were you moving like in? I've heard you use this word, a J cat. Like, were you just wiling the fuck out or were you really like trying to do serious business? I was wiling out. I just I was I was more worried about my reputation than I was the whole factions reputation because I felt like I felt like it's like I don't know if you watch that episode on the Killer Chronicle shit, but that fat dude that ratted.

35:28It was like my whole my whole life. I felt like I could carry his weight. You know what I mean? If he was soft, I felt like I was bad enough to carry him through whatever we had to go through. If he didn't have heart, I had enough heart to get him through it. So I was more worried about myself at all times than I was trying to make something all like an actual mafia. You know what I mean? I felt like I was the mafia. Definitely. but okay I think people are always curious when it comes to like a white gang because white gangs are very foreign to people but how much overt racism was really going on like people always kind of I think assume that when there's a white gang that they got to like be racist but a lot of times the most seasoned white dudes who did 20 years in prison like it's never really about racism it's just about being proud of who you are and and you're in the face of Mexican dudes and black dudes who are very very proud of who they are and so it seems totally natural racist nah okay that's like can't get away with that in this job yeah i mean bro i'm it's like uh bubba the one that ended up being a rat him and his brother were half mexican you know what i mean so it's like i don't think it's like i don't know any black dudes that want to be in a gang called irish mafia you know what i mean so it's like it's not that we were racist I feel like in the Bay Area, everybody did business with everybody, bro.

37:04It was like people took each other a lot of times on the value of somebody else's word. So if you told me this black dude over here was a solid individual, man, and he's got opportunities, you know, maybe y 'all should link up. I'm going to link up with this dude and do whatever I can to make money. You know what I mean? I'm not going to shut no door on anybody because of their race. You know what I mean? So I know that there's always going to be that stigma that white boys in a white faction are racist. But it's like I tell people, bro, when you get to prisons, you walk out on the yard and you're a white boy.

37:47The white boys are going to come up to you and be like, bro, where are you from? I'm from Cocoa County. OK, your homeboys are over here. So you go over there and kick it with them. You know what I mean? Some of your homeboys might have some racist tendencies, but that doesn't mean that you have to adopt them. You know what I mean? You motherfuckers, I'm sure straight dudes hang around with people that aren't straight and they don't adopt their behaviors as far as I know of. You know what I mean? It's okay. You're into that and I'm into this. So carry on. You know what I mean? And it's, I don't, I don't, that I feel like that racism shit almost irritates me at this point in time because it's like, bro, it's 2025.

38:29And I know maybe in different places, especially down here, it might be different. But in the Bay Area, bro, it's like, God, bro, it's a lot of that hateful shit. It was like never even heard about, never talked about nothing. then you'd be out there in middle school or whatever, playing with every motherfucking buddy. You know what I mean? And sometimes in schools, the white boys were the minority. So what else you going to do? Yeah. I don't talk to a lot of people like that over the years. Like there's a dude, a white trash Rob was the singer of a blood for blood and Boston. And I interviewed him and he was basically like, it's a miracle.

39:07I ain't racist. Cause you know, my neighborhood was fighting with black kids every fucking day after school. Like that was just our vibe. Like I was just like, we were the minority for sure. And like, you know, every day we had to do that. He's like, it's, it's amazing that I came out of this with the band and shit, like shit that taught me to not feel that way, but could have very easily gone that way. And when you look at it from that perspective, it's like, damn, that is kind of amazing. I feel like my dad was that way, bro. My dad grew up in a, like Hunter's point, par Chester village, the worst places in Vallejo.

39:43and I'm so uh you heard of Mac Mall right so Mac Mall rapped about this dude uh Smooth I think his name was Smooth but the dude was in a wheelchair bro right and uh I was in the the court holding in Vallejo fighting my battery on the police officer charge and my attorney came in or the bailiff the cop came in and was like hey Donnie you got attorney visit so I went over there when I came back the the dude was like man are you related to the Donahue's from Vallejo I was like yeah Matt Donahue's my dad and he was like man them boys used to be wild he said they'd come down and uh tell us they wanted some balloons of heroin and when they stick them in the car they'd ride off on us and shit like that but so like uh I don't know man like a friend of mine Keith Welch, his mom has been following my music for a long time.

40:39And she was like, man, the Donahues were nothing to be played with. You know what I mean? Especially in Vallejo. And I would have thought like growing up that my dad would have tried to influence me more to, to be selective in who I hung around with. But it wasn't really like that. I mean, he ain't never said, man, don't bring that black dude to the house. You know what I mean? So I mean, if you think about it, like if you're a real committed racist, you're putting yourself at a huge disadvantage in terms of business in general. If you can't go through business with a huge percentage of other people that you might be able to get drugs.

41:18I guess like nobody's racist enough that they're not going to get drugs from somebody. You know, that doesn't exist. Even in prison. Yeah. I'm going to tell you what, bro. Give a fuck how racist you are, dog. If there's a motherfucking black dude on the yard and he's the only guy with the plug, bro, you're going to buy that dope from that dude. No matter what the situation, no matter how animosity, how much you hate that person. So it's like, how can you preach one thing and do another thing? I don't know. I even feel like I've seen like prison documentaries where you'll see a dude with a bunch of swastikas all over him, Hitler tattoos.

41:56And then you hear him start talking about it and you're like, you never even cracked open a fucking Hitler book. Like, you just think this shit looks cool because it's like if you want to take being white to the extreme. OK, there you go. Like, that's like the most extreme shit you could do, I guess. But I feel like a lot of times, too, that's like badges of honor, bro. I feel like a lot of them dudes don't look at it like other people look at it. It's just like, man, you went over here and put in your work. You stab somebody or you knock someone down. so this is your badge of honor you know what i mean it's i imagine it's just like anybody else earning their their gang's insignia you know what i mean it's it's um it's just bro it's easy for white people it's like the the easiest way to discredit a white person by saying he's a racist you know what i mean like maddie's music ain't no good he's a racist i don't even know how y 'all could listen to this motherfucker blah blah blah and so forth and so on and once upon a time i feel like it would have been that easy to just knock me off my little pedestal in the music industry anyway but yeah people are pretty skeptical about racism accusations at this point like everybody's kind of been through the process enough that they know we need some decent evidence to go with this we can't just go by conjecture or rumors or whatever and i mean bro i've told people before i'm like i'm a fucking rapper you know what i mean i remember when i first got to uh state prison and And I don't feel like I talk ghetto or whatever.

43:29I feel like I talk like everybody else from the Bay Area talks. But I had people being like, man, what kind of music you listen to? And I'm like, rap. I went to prison thinking that everybody listened to rap. It was just like, who the fuck doesn't listen to rap? Because the Bay Area is the most multicultural area in America, I would say, in terms of hip-hop and street culture in general. Period. Yeah. Period, bro. I grew up, even in my earliest stages, man, we'd be at parties, bro, where you would have northerners, black dudes, the white boys. At this time, we probably weren't calling each other Cocoa County boys, but it was just like we was all just partying, bro, doing whatever.

44:12It was like everybody was so closely linked. It was like impossible to not be crossing paths with these guys. And then if you cross paths with solid people, bro, it's like, how do you, how do you like, how do you discredit that person? Because he's not the same color as you or he ain't the same gang as you. It's like, man, I admire this dude. This dude is a hog. He's a savage. I know his history. So I respect this individual. And for, you know, you're at the lake with all these dudes and it just becomes like, I don't know. Right. but um okay when you think back to all those years of you being young and fucked up on drugs and stuff before you went and did your longer prison stretch what was the soundtrack to all that like what were you driving around listening to uh mac trey uh tupac um mac trey when i was growing up bro was the fucking man but like in my earliest stages by Eazy-E um bro all of them like I grew up Grandmaster Flash is that who that was I always bring up Grandmaster Flash bro I mean I I bro my my dad raised when when we would get up in the morning we have Smokey Robinson Teddy Pendergrass Barry White all these black artists growing up so I felt like it was and then the break dancing thing was real tough when we was kids so it was like man that's all I ever listened to bro I remember in state prison one of my partners was like man you ever heard of Tim McGraw and I was like nah and he was like man you gotta listen to this song and I listened to like Don't Take the Girl or whatever and I was like man this is actually a pretty good song or whatever but But, bro, hip-hop was my life, bro.

46:06It's always been my preference of music. Even to this day, I just felt like I related to it. You know what I mean? My house is getting raided. The cops are sitting in front of our houses nonstop harassing us. We're leaving the houses. They're pulling us over, searching our cars, arresting our people. It was just like, so when I'm hearing these motherfuckers rap about my lifestyle, I'm like, man, I relate to this. so yeah i mean because i can enjoy music from a huge variety of genres i can listen to a country song or a rock song or a folk song or whatever and it's like i can fuck with it musically and i can even appreciate the lyrics whatever but it's just something different about like the type of music that you feel represents yourself culturally that you know if i'm listening to a fucking metal song about you know with some guy who paints his fucking face and he's got long hair and he's banging his head up and down on stage.

47:02It's like, I could fuck with it musically, but also I just would never end up hanging out with this guy. It just feels different. Whereas you're listening to Mac Dre, and it's like, this guy's music is amazing, and also he seems like the coolest version of all the dudes that I'm around on a regular basis. And that just occupies a different spot in your mind. I feel like that motherfucker, I honestly feel like that everything he was rapping about, he was rapping about me. Me and my family and the people I ran around with, man, it was, I just enjoyed that music, man. I felt it and it just carried, I carried that shit with me everywhere.

47:41Definitely. But so when you were in this drug dealing part of your life, are you like going to sort of hip hop events or are you more just like servicing the locals in terms of like selling drugs and everything? Yeah, no, I wasn't going to no hip hop events, man. I was just, I was just in the streets, bro. just doing the drug dealing thing, man. I don't think like shows and that type of stuff was my forte. Even today, it's not really my cup of tea to go to a concert, no matter what the concert is. A huge percentage of like rap fans never go to a rap concert, which is kind of weird. I feel like if you were to look at the percentage of like rock fans who've been to a concert, it's extremely high.

48:28Versus in rap, a lot of people just don't really make that leap. Have you been to a rock concert? Yeah. Bro, those things are fucking insane, man. They get up there and it's just like, it's one thing, and I don't want to discredit my craft, but it's one thing to get up there, bro, and be able to play your instrument for that song on the fly, bro. It's like, I imagine that the intelligence and the memory it takes to get up there and perform that shit without making a mistake, without thinking about making a mistake. As I'm rapping on stage, bro, if I make a mistake, the song is still playing. You know what I mean?

49:07I could forget a lyric or whatever. But them motherfuckers, dog, it's like I forget what, like, if I watched it on TV or if I actually went to a concert. But I remember I was thinking, man, that shit right there is impressive, man oh yeah this fool is up there there's a whole bunch of different instruments that these dudes are playing and they're playing it together at the same time and and it's just like everybody in the fucking audience they're flying everywhere like shit and i was just like man wow that's impressive man it is crazy and it's like i grew up going to a ton of that sort of shit and then like when i look at what rappers are able to get away with in terms of their live performance it is kind of crazy compared to like five dudes playing instruments in unison live and like pulling it all off versus like gucci man getting on stage and being like yeah and like walking back and forth and kind of just saying what he doesn't say half the lyrics it's like i love it i respect it but if rappers to and you do see it sometimes because somebody like you know the currency i think raps without a backing track and shit and like when you do see a person perform live who really goes for it it can be a pretty amazing thing but the average rapper just is you know and it would is i mean rapping without a backing track is pretty crazy yeah hell yeah bro that's a that's a gift especially it's like nowadays bro we're making so much music i mean me and fidel i feel like we're putting out so many different songs and i'd be up there trying to to remember these lyrics bro and i'm like fuck i'll be walking around with my phone before the video shoots trying to remember the lyrics right before the video shoot because I done did six other songs last week.

50:54How am I going to remember this one that I did five years ago? But I know I kind of pride myself on my live performances being like I've had people come up to me and say, I mean, if we're being honest, bro, I feel like your live performance is better than the music that I hear that you put out on the streaming sites. You know what I mean? There's just some I always say, bro, if I performance in front of somebody, I'm going to make that person a fan because I'm going to make them feel the emotions and the like reality of the stuff that I'm singing or rapping or whatever. The authenticity. When you see me rap it, you're going to feel the genuineness of it.

51:35You know what I mean? It's going to be like this motherfucker is about that. He's serious about what he's rapping. For sure. I want to get into the whole music part, but let's just talk about this prison bid. So how would you get caught up for and how long did you actually end up doing? On the Fed bit? Yeah, I got busted with 150 bricks of cocaine and I got sentenced to 150 months. Insane. I mean, OK, so what was the actual situation? Like at what point in the drug deal did they actually apprehend you? We was on I-80 driving from Richmond going to Utah. So we are to Chicago and we got pulled over in Utah.

52:15So the situation was crazy, though, bro, because the cop told me at one point that I was good to go. Right. He handed me a warning. He said, I'm going to give you a warning for speed and you're good to go. So if you know anything about the law, you know that that traffic stop is over. So anything he does after that is considered an illegal search and seizure. Right. So I'm going to give some people some transport or some game right now if you're ever in that situation. And the cop, because the cop is supposed to tell you you're good to go, right? Once the fruits of the stop is over, he has to have probable cause to continue on with the traffic stop.

52:58The probable cause could be a dog if he for some reason wants to bring out a dog or whatever. But like being nervous isn't something that they could continue on with the traffic stop. But this fool went over. He told me, hey, you're good to go. Here's a warning for speeding. And then had me wait on the side of the car. And then allegedly he went over there and asked my passenger if he could search the car. And the whole traffic stop was on like the whole time he was talking to me. It was on video because I was sitting in the front seat of his car while he was talking to me, blah, blah, blah. And then so on video, he's handing me a warning for speeding and told me I'm good to go.

53:37So at that point, that fool saved my life, bro, because I had priors for selling dope. And if he wouldn't have gave me that warning for speeding and told me I was good to go, then I would have probably done the rest of my life in prison. But so what happens after they tell you you're good to go, there's a thing called consensual stop. So if he had told me, hey, hey, Mr. Donnie, can I ask you another question? And I turn around and say, yeah, what's up? Now it's just a conversation. No. Now I just gave him consent to continue on with the traffic stop. But he didn't do that. So my attorney sent them a motion to suppress hearing, like the rough draft to the motion to suppress.

54:19And it was just cut and dry, bro. It wouldn't be like if you was the cop, you couldn't go in there and say, I never told him that he was good to go. You know what I mean? So my attorneys, one of my attorneys, Tony Serra, wanted to fight it. but Randy Dahr came up the next week and was like, man, Matty, listen, if this was weed, we'd beat this case. He goes, but I fear that the judge is not going to want to throw out this amount of drugs over a traffic law discrepancy. Right. So what he's going to do is he's just going to say, nah, you guys are going to take care of this in the appellate process.

54:55And my, my attorney, Randy was like, and how long is that going to take? You know what I mean? 10, 15 years, you're going to be going back in there. They're trying to give you 12 and a half years. You'll probably make it home faster in this 12 and a half years than you will if you go through the appellate process. So Randy, because I've known Randy my whole life from cases that he fought for Blair Guthrie, I know both of the attorneys, but Randy Dar or Tony Serra was more optimistic. You know what I mean? Tony was looking at this like this is the biggest case my office has ever had, man. And it's going to be such a big deal for all of us.

55:33Like everybody in my office is talking about it. He's sending me case law. That's like similar to my shit to where it's like people are beating their, their charges for similar shit, but none of them was as cut and dry as mine because not many of them were on audio being told they're good to go. And then this dude continuing on with the traffic stop. So you've got this huge choice to make between potentially getting rid of all these charges and doing almost no time or taking it to trial and potentially getting life. Oh, if, if I would have took it to trial, I would have got life. There would have been no potential.

56:11And the prosecutor was, he let that be known. He says, if, if you guys go to the motion to suppress hearing, I'm going to file his priors. I'm going to give him a life sentence. So you need to tell him that he's not going to get a better fucking opportunity than this. So they were scared, bro. They was like, and so was I though. You know what I mean? I didn't. At first they told me I was going to get 10 years, but the 10 year deal had some sideways shit in and I refused to take it. And even my attorneys was like, man, you might be making a mistake. I said, bro, I'm not going to go do no time where I got some faulty shit in my paperwork, even if it is just me and my co-defendant.

56:49If there's just two of us on this case and there's and we're both signing the same plea, I don't feel comfortable doing it. So I'm not going to do it. So if we have to fight it, go to the motion to suppress hearing. That's what I'm going to do. But part of the part of the plea agreement was they took my appeals options off the table. So, you know what I mean? Once I signed that plea, I couldn't go in and try to fight it, saying that the fruits of the search were illegal and all that type of shit. So the cops saved my life, bro. If that fool wouldn't have pulled me out of the cop car, bro, I'd probably not be talking to you right now.

57:25yeah no that's crazy but so you held it so basically your homie allowed them to do the search allegedly yeah because so do you not believe it because they could be lying because bro the only part every single part of the audio was as clear as i'm talking to you right now right and then that one little fucking part where the cop was like hey do you mind if i search and it was just like oh you're wrong you're zero so then afterwards i told my fucking cody i said bro, what the fuck did you tell him he could search the car for? And he said, I didn't tell him he could search the car. I told him I'd rather you not, but I'm sure you're going to do whatever you want to do anyway.

58:03So it was just, bro, that it was weird to me that the only part of the audio that wasn't clear was the part where he allegedly gave the cop permission to search the car. Yeah. Damn, that's crazy. But so how does your, like, Like, where is your mind at at this time when you're taking the deal and everything? Like, are you still thinking that you're going to just be in the streets for the rest of your life? Or are you starting to have second thoughts at this point? Are you starting to feel like, damn, like, maybe I fucked my whole life up. I need to clean my life up. Bro, I went right into the institution and started doing the same shit that got me there in the first place.

58:41Right. It was so bad. like, I'm ashamed to say this, but at one point I called my brother and I'm on a cell phone in there and I had made a transaction with another individual. And, um, you know, I'm a man of my word, bro. So if I go and I buy something from you, I'm going to give you your money, no matter what the situation, no matter what the situation is, no matter what I have going on the streets, I feel obligated to take care of you. So I call my brother and I'm on the burner and I'm like, hey, bro, I need you to send some money to this dude. And my brother was like, man, bro, we just found out that mom's dying.

59:23And they gave her like six months to live. We knew she had cancer, but the cancer was, uh, what's the, you got benign and benign is like not dangerous. Like it said rubbish shit or whatever. And then the other one malignant or something. Yeah. That's the dangerous shit. Yeah. It was malignant. So I'm like, bro, I'm like, man, how am I going to ask this fool to fucking still go out of his way to go send somebody some fucking money after he just told me my mom was dying? And that's what I did, though. I was like, bro, I need you to take care of this. And then I fucking heard like the fucking hurt in my brother's voice.

1:00:04Man, that motherfucker was like, bro, when the fuck are you going to learn your lesson? You know what I mean? You just got bopped in the head with 150 month sentence. And he goes, and you're back in there doing the same exact shit you was doing that got you here in the first place. I just told you our mom's dying and you're asking me to go somewhere and send money to somebody. And I was like, bro. I've already done this transaction. I'm hurting like you're hurting, but there's nothing I could do about this. I want to make sure this dude gets paid and then I could go about doing my own thing. Well, because you're in a place where there's not really a lot of room for you to cry and be emotional and to even enter into that space, that part of your personality.

1:00:45That's realistically hard for a lot of men to access, even on the streets. But when you're in prison and everybody's looking for a sign of weakness. And, bro, it's like what people don't realize is when you're around so much fucking violence and nasty shit, you almost it's like you you put your feelings somewhere that they can't be found no more. You know what I mean? Eventually, when I found out because both my parents died nine days apart and it was like. The feeling that I had was more of a feeling was like, man, why why ain't I like breaking down crying like I feel like everybody else in this situation will be doing?

1:01:22You know, people on the streets or like maybe movies, you see somebody go through a fucking loss. They they're crying or leaning on somebody and doing all that type of shit. But for me, it was just like, man, like I didn't know how to feel at all. Yeah. And it was it was weird for me, bro. But I feel like prison does that. You just you get immune to people being shady and all kinds of different shit. and people dying, people getting stabbed and all that type of shit. So you're just numb. Yeah. Fuck, that's serious shit. But, I mean, have you listened to the new Clips album? Little parts of it.

1:02:08The first song is about basically like them losing their parents and being so caught up in their lifestyle, respectively, that they like basically, there's like part where he's basically saying that in retrospect push it see realizes his mom was trying to tell him that she was like checking off her to-do list of things to do before she died and that he was so caught up in like the rapper lifestyle that he just like didn't process it it's some heavy shit yeah so like my mom was on the run from the feds right my mom got indicted on the that big aryan brotherhood trial that happened, I think, in 2004.

1:02:45And when they came to raid my house, my mom wasn't home. So my mom was on the run. So I ended up getting a DUI while on parole, and they gave me 270 days for that. My first violation ever. Shout out to the parole board in the California system for looking out for me. You know, they wanted to give me an opportunity after I'd been out for 21 months doing the right thing. I mean, they thought I was doing the right thing. But they gave you 270 days. That's like pretty harsh, right? That bitch gave me nine months flat, bro. Fuck yeah. Have you ever heard of anybody on there? I wasn't even found guilty for the DUI.

1:03:25Right. I hadn't even went to court for this motherfucker. So hypothetically speaking, I could have probably beat the charge. Right. But yeah, no, that the parole board magistrate told my parole officer went in there and said, man, I want this guy continued on parole. Like he's, he ain't done nothing. And she was like, oh, but drive drunk. And he was like, yeah, but that's all, that's the only thing he's done wrong. So, uh, but just, yeah, they gave me nine months, but I say that to say this, like my mom was on the run, bro. And I know that if she had ever, if she got caught, the amount of time that she was looking at was going to be fucking crazy.

1:04:04But I was so more worried about me and chasing around women, tying up loose ends before I had to turn myself in that my time with her wasn't as important as me going and doing this other shit. And then it turns out that weekend at that motel when I see my mom was the last time I see my mom free alive. You know what I mean? So it was like, yeah, all that shit torments me, bro. I carry a lot of a lot of luggage like that with me because I know that the shit that I was doing in the streets. And like I said, my dad was a tough man, bro. But when I told that fool that I was going to take that 12 and a half years because my dad wanted me to fight it.

1:04:47You know what I mean? He was like, bro, this shit isn't right. It's an illegal search. And I'm like, bro, what you don't understand is this fucking dude is going to give me a life sentence. And in the feds, a life sentence is your release date is death. it's like you're not you don't go in front of a fucking parole board it's your your release date says deceased so and i'm like man i'm your dad wanted you to roll the dice my dad wanted me to roll the dice because he felt in his mind he was like bro i'm not gonna i'm not gonna make it to see you home you know what i mean i don't think that i'll live that long so in essence he felt like me signing that plea was basically saying that the last time I seen him free was the last time that I seen him when I was on the streets.

1:05:34You know what I mean? Like when I came home this time around, he wasn't going to be around. So, but, uh, yeah, I, I gotta go and listen to that song because I relate to that, man. It's, but it goes back to the beginning of what I was saying. It's like, I felt like my parents were no different than I was at that point in my life. You know what I mean? The streets and chasing the women and chasing the money and feeling that power was more important to me. And plus, I mean, at that point in my life, I probably didn't think that I would ever that that was ever going to be the last time I see my parents on the streets.

1:06:08You know what I mean? Maybe I was naive enough to think that this was just another little obstacle that we all go through. But, yeah, I resent that shit, man. I resent the game. It's like the older I get, the more I hate the game, bro, because in all-out reality, there ain't no loyalty in the streets. It's like everybody's turning on each other. There's no repercussions for being a piece of shit no more. Fucking Sammy the Bull is, like, people watch this dude's podcast, bro. Like, I refuse to watch this fucking dude's podcast because he's a fucking stool pigeon. and I don't give a fuck about the repercussions of that or how many people he killed.

1:06:49He's a fucking rat and nobody should watch that dude's show. Yeah, it's crazy how that shit is the same way in your world or in that world as like, you know, in that rap world too where it just feels like the standards have been loosened up a lot as time goes by. That's crazy. That shit is, it's, there's no morals, bro. But yeah, so these days when people talk about the streets, bro, it's almost laughable, man. be like okay you you go out there and hang with your gang bro go out there and do a crime with four or five of your friends and watch who's doing time because uh okay so what was your mentality going into doing this and how many how many years you end up actually doing 10 10 and so you go into it just still full-blown crash out mode like not matured at all going into it but how much did that change by the end of it like and what was that time like over those 10 years oh bro that time was the institution that i was in i ran that institution bro we controlled that institution that shit was like i had og dudes coming to that institution and they would be like maddie man i ain't never seen i ain't never seen people move the way you guys move on this yard And this fool was coming from like USP Atlanta and shit like that, bro.

1:08:12He's all, it's just, y 'all are out of control on this fucking yard, bro. So it was like all of my behaviors I brought with me, bro. I want to say like, so I came home, I went in in 2004 and I came home in 2014. So I would say like my last two years, I went and did that little RDAP program to get a year knocked off my sentence. and um those were probably the only it was the only time in my whole sentence that I behaved bro and it was like a part of me I didn't think I was coming home was part of it because like everybody that I was running around with in the streets had caught Rico or like murder cases big charges uh Or we're going in like my best friend, bro, the fat dude.

1:09:05I refuse to say his name. He I knew this motherfucker since preschool, bro. Like that motherfucker. It was like, how do you. And this motherfucker rolled over for a seven year bid and he probably already had five of that done in the county jail. So it was like your rat face fucking punk ass. Decided to become a lying rat. It wasn't even a truthful rat. for over a seven year sentence. Right. You know what I mean? And it's just like. Was Talon dangled in front of you before you went in to do your time? Yeah. It's a funny story about that. So I think he was a DEA agent, but he called my co-defendant in there first and, you know, read us our rights or whatever.

1:09:52And my co-defendant, I learned this from the cop. He says, because I go in there after my my co-defendant, he was like, so, you know, you want to talk about anything? And I was like, what's there to talk about? I'm being arrested for being out of bounds on parole. And he goes, oh, no, you're being arrested for a substantial amount of narcotics. And I said, well, if I'm being arrested for a substantial amount of narcotics, I probably want to talk to an attorney. Right. And he was like. The perfect lunch combo. That first bite of your favorite sub, followed by ice-cold Pepsi. Add a couple of friends, and now that's next level.

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1:11:13From a browse to a bike ride, this summer, find more on Facebook. and asked his partner how much time is he facing i said man i don't care about all that man get me out of here and then the other dude goes well you was at least more polite than your other friend because your other friend told us to fuck ourselves which i thought was gangster as fuck because if you ever seen my my cody finnett bro he just does not fit that that like you wouldn't expect him to be as gangster as he is, bro. So when he said, I mean, all of us, even the cops laughed about it. Like I was like, well, that's some gangster shit right there, bro.

1:11:52Makes me wish I'd have said that. Right. So when you get in there, though, you just get straight into selling drugs and shit? Yeah, bro. It was like nothing stopped, bro. I was picking up right where I left off. But it's like, bro, if you're a basketball player your whole life, when you go to prison, are you going to stop playing basketball? That's all I know. You know what I mean? But was it already fully established in that prison, like in terms of other people already doing this? Yeah, but not on the scale that we was. Really? Fuck no, bro. We was fucking hog-dogging that place, bro. I'm telling you.

1:12:30We was legendary in that. So I put in for a transfer to go to the drug program, and I almost even passed on the drug program because I loved that institution was so good to me. But so they put me in for a transfer on like a Thursday, Sunday, when my counselor came in, he was like, man, you're already designated. So I was like, man, wow, that was fucking fast. So I was in the kitchen because I worked in the kitchen and I was talking to the food service administrator and he was like, bro, I'm actually honest. It took him that long. They've been wanting to get rid of you for so long. they feel that you are responsible for every fucking thing that's happened in this institution since you've been in this institution.

1:13:15And he's all, and I'm not just talking about the white boys. They think that you've been a part of every fucking bad thing that happened in this motherfucker. So I was like, touche, you don't say, but so what are you doing with the money that you're earning in there? You just like sending it back home or, I mean, I'm sure it was complicated. No, We was just, bro, we was like we was on the streets, bro. It was like, plus they had the little email shit jumping off, bro. I was probably spending$600,$700 a fucking month just on email shit. Really? And then the. Because you got to pay for how many emails you sent?

1:13:56You have to pay for it. I don't know if it's. You got a fucking racket. Hell yeah, it is. That's crazy. Bro, but fucking back in my state prison days, you was paying like$15 a fucking phone call. Now I think it's free. Yeah. So it's like you talk about a racket. That's why they're so set on keeping the system full, bro. You ain't never thought about why this clown, what's our governor, Gavin Newsom. It's like at one point in time they told everybody that you could steal whatever you want as long as it was under$1 ,200. And then they slithered that little fucking new law in there that it's like now they're putting people back in prison if they steal over a certain amount.

1:14:33It's like no different than this three-strike law. If people don't realize that the fucking jail system is a racket in itself, they're probably slow, bro. So they love keeping the institutions full because somebody is making a lot of money on that shit. But are you kind of torn? Are you like a tough on crime guy? Or are you like because I feel like you are so familiar with the effects of what lenient sentencing and, you know, policies that kind of encourage crime. I mean, you can't be from Northern California and spend time in the Bay Area without being alerted to how crazy this can make a city like San Francisco.

1:15:08Yeah, I think the only crimes that I'm serious about, bro, is fucking sex crimes, crimes against children and shit like that. Those people should die. People that do drug crimes, the solution, in my opinion, isn't no 50-year sentence, bro. it doesn't make sense. I was in jail with people that fucking died in prison for marijuana fucking cases, bro. So it's like, how you justify that, you can't. Have you ever wondered why the majority of the sex offenders are on the yard? I mean, on the streets and all the drug dealers and shit are in prison? Does that ever fucking trip you out? It does me. Look up the fucking Megan's Law, bro.

1:15:53There's fucking sex offenders everywhere. There's probably a hundred of them and you're in this little radius right here. right that shit is sickening bro yeah i mean i wonder why like that is because the same motherfuckers that are fucking committing those crimes are the same people that are sentencing those people that are doing those crimes the sex offenders are making those fucking laws the judges are probably sex offenders the whole system's probably full of sex offenders but okay i know i know a guy who hold on let me say this before i forget how come motherfucking cops don't accidentally kill sex offenders when they go to arrest them probably because almost and none of them are armed?

1:16:26Man, who gives a fuck? Some of these people that are shooting that are criminals ain't armed. My cousin had his hands up like this, got his fingers shot off by a fucking cop. Really? Shot that motherfucker seven times or something with his hands in the fucking air. He didn't have no gun. Whoa. If you could get away with the crime, wouldn't you want to get away with a crime for shooting somebody that did something to a child? Fuck, man, come on. That motherfucker, those people should intentionally go into situations like that saying, I'm going to shoot this motherfucker first even if he doesn't move.

1:16:57But nah, they want to kill people that are selling drugs or some shit. You tell me if this is fair. I used to know a guy who basically was set up by the cops. He started messaging somebody on some forum or whatever and basically is like trying to pimp this girl that he met. And then at some point she tells him that she's 16 or something like that, but it's the cops all along. And he ends up going to meet up with her. They bust him. and I think he did five years in prison for that. Would you say that you think that's a fair sentence? Are you saying that the dude knew that she was 16? Yeah, I believe she told him at some point during this conversation.

1:17:37Yeah, that's not a good thing, bro. Yeah, it's not good. But I mean, five years seems like a significant chunk. Five years ain't enough because I'm going to tell you what, that shit's a sickness, bro. Anybody that could fuck with little kids, bro, I mean can you imagine doing anything mean to a child having a kid especially like i can't even you know i yell at my kid a little bit she fucking starts screaming and crying my kid cries at me bro and my heart breaks i can't imagine like what what kind of brain or what kind of like mind you have to where you could do shit like that and have no conscious about it bro that that shit's a sickness man and five years i hope he went to a serious institution and got raped the jury's out yeah i don't know but yeah yeah but uh yeah bro i just think that there's there's uh the system is it's it's wired backwards bro and i honestly believe that they protect sex offenders even in the institutions now they'd be trying to give us hate crimes if if we assault a child molester for real they act like they will man bro we had a situation where shout out to this i don't remember her name but she only worked there for a short amount of time but this ceo came to the federal institution i was at and exposed every single sex offender that was hiding on the yard so we got this list of all these sex offenders and we went and started knocking these motherfuckers down and they was telling us, oh, if you guys do this, we're going to get a hate crime.

1:19:18You guys are going to get hate crimes and blah, blah, blah. Describe knocking them down. Trying to kill them. Right. But not necessarily doing it, but just at least giving them a taste of it. No, like you're going in there to try to hurt this motherfucker to where he can never touch a child again, bro. So I had a lieutenant one time. They locked the yard down because these people kept getting assaulted. and I'm walking across the yard and the lieutenant walks up to me and goes, you know, I just came from the penitentiary and, you know, we got an understanding to where we give the people the opportunity to leave on their own before we assault them.

1:19:57And I told him, are you fucking kidding me, bro? He goes, nah. And I said, well, listen, dog, if I would have been in there, whatever happened to that dude would have been a lot worse. I don't believe that anybody should be able to walk off the yard after having done something to a child. So I feel like what you're saying is nonsense to me. So then the dude says, well, I'm gonna have to put you in the hole because we don't know who did this crime. So unless these guys, I said, say less, bro, put me in the hole. I wish this motherfucker would have died. I don't give a fuck about him or how you feel about suggesting somebody should be able to walk off a fucking yard.

1:20:35that's touched a child. It's fucking weird, bro. But like I said, these motherfuckers probably got child porn on their fucking computers in their institutions. Right. That's crazy. But, yo, so you do the 10 years, and then what are you thinking that you're going to be doing when you get out? Well, I actually thought I was going to come home and do right. You know what I mean? I had all the intentions in the world. Like, I wanted to come home. I wanted to have kids. you know I didn't know what I was going to be doing for work or anything like that and and like this was the first time in my life when I came home bro I wasn't re-entering a drug zone you know what I mean it's like my mom and my dad had passed away uh my siblings were all working great jobs and shit like that and it was just like Like, this would have been the only time in my life, if I wanted to come back to the game, that it would have been, like, a challenge.

1:21:38You know what I mean? I would have had to go try to meet new people and do shit like that. But I came home and was like, I started working. I had a couple kids. And then me and my first kid's mom didn't work out. I ended up staying with my brother for a little while. My brother was like, man, bro, you should try to pursue this music shit because I've always loved the music shit, bro. And then I just was like, man, I started making music, bro. And it was just like that shit made me feel like I was selling drugs again without the consequences of having to go back to jail or whatever. Deal with the deceit and betrayal and the people stabbing you in the back and all that type of shit.

1:22:25And I actually love making music. I love rap. I love listening to that shit. So having spent the majority of my life not knowing that I had the gift to even write a rap, and now that I do it, it's like Borderline became an obsession with me, man. But like I said, the thing I love most about my music, bro, is I could relive all this shit. I could feel that adrenaline rush. I could bring myself right there to the transactions and all the violence and everything, and I don't have to worry about doing time. And for the record, I talked to an attorney before I started making music because I didn't want them to be able to use my lyrics against me for anything in the future because I know that's how they get down.

1:23:11What was their advice? Huh? What was their advice? I got a song called Hustler's Dream, right? So in Hustler's Dream, I put live footage of the fat boy in there when he was snitching. So I was like, man, is there going to be any repercussions for this? And he was like, bro, the only thing that he could do is maybe file a defamation character lawsuit. And he says, but you're not defamating his character because he is a rat. And I said, okay, but what about the rest of this stuff? And he goes, bro, it's so hard. he told me don't ever put no guns in my videos because he's like bro they're gonna be watching you for the rest of your life nobody gets busted with that amount of drugs and doesn't have an eye on them for the rest of their fucking lives so but he he just was like don't put guns on there in your in your videos or anything but as far as anything else goes it's like it's hard to prove if what you're talking about is the truth as long as i ain't in there trying to do like a lot of people do by giving themselves up on on actual crimes that they committed right i mean if you think about there's like a lot of like really big rappers who say really incriminating violent shit in their music and these are people who have lawyers who have like or on podcasts yeah and even like their podcast you know and like part of it is like oh that is like when they get caught up or something it's like wow what an idiot like can you believe that little dirk like hinted at having this person killed on a podcast or whatever but like you know so many people kind of do it and like just figure that it's just not gonna end up being a problem for them i mean getting sued like when you're talking about like defamation claim and shit like that i mean like that's realistically that's i mean if you're a rich person you're gonna get sued about whatever but ultimately it's a defamation claim is like a very tall order you know and and most people are not worth suing for that kind of thing.

1:25:12You know, they got to have a shitload of money. Yeah, I feel like this is something that you have to take into consideration too. Like in the Dirk situation, when you're so close with a lot of them people, you don't necessarily have to know about the crime or like be a part of the crime or whatever, but you hear about the crime so you feel like you could rap about it. You know what I mean? I don't know that man well enough to say one way or another, But I would like to think that he's more intelligent than to rap about something that he was actually a part of. And I feel like a lot of times because he has such a heavy influence on a lot of people that they want to if if the feds knock him down on that shit for a life sentence, it kind of sets the bar and maybe scares these other kids, letting these other kids know that even though he's got all this money, we could still take him down.

1:26:05Even if the crime is bogus and he's rapping about crimes that he wasn't involved with, we're still going to make him responsible for for talking about it. You know what I mean? Or or in hopes of maybe him telling on the people that actually did it. So I mean, OK, like if a high profile person gets killed in Chicago, there's going to be 10 different rappers who rap about it, make jokes about it, fucking kind of sort of claim it. Yeah. And so I feel like the mentality for the dude who actually paid to get him knocked off is like that they could rap about it because everybody else is rapping about it.

1:26:42How the fuck is law enforcement going to know that I'm the one who actually put the money out there to get this done? And I feel like that's the mentality of a lot of these guys is that it's like, well, everybody else is rapping about it. And it's what people want to hear about. And my boy is never going to tell on me. Yeah. Yeah. My boy that I paid to do this, he's like him. He's never going to tell. You know, a lot of people like really believe that. And like, you know, but then people get locked up and you slowly start to see the weakening of their character. Yeah. Like shout out young thug, man.

1:27:13I feel like that fool. Yeah. That fool was a he's a hog, bro. I admire that fool's courage for taking that shit to trial, staying strong when it seems like everybody was falling. Falling down around him in the in the worst possible way. And he held it together, man. And that shit was admirable, man. Oh, definitely. So when you start rapping, is it just like immediately you've got a lot of interest because you've got such an interesting backstory that people in the streets know about? Yeah, I think it's like, yeah, I think like my I feel like I'm at the place in my music career that I'm at currently because I've only been rapping for seven years or something that.

1:28:01my street credibility and then like people that I was in prison with, it's like they validate what I'm saying. You know what I mean? They, they look up to me. A lot of people are like, man, nobody expected me to come home and not fall back into the criminal lifestyle and start fucking up, bro. So, uh, I feel like even a lot of people reach out and they're like, man, you inspire me. you give me like hope that I could, if, if I want to, I could change my life too. Like you're, you're, you're showing a lot of people, man, that even the worst of criminals could come home and do something better with their lives.

1:28:39You know what I mean? So, but yeah, I think, I think because a lot of people know me, a lot of people respect me that that definitely helped me in my, my music career. So you've been home for 10 years? 11. 11 years. 2014. Would it be a safe assumption to say that you haven't kept a totally clean slate this whole time? Have you like gone back to your old ways at all? Oh no, I'm a saint. I ain't wanting it anymore. No, you know what I wanted to ask you? I keep wanting to ask you this. And I hope it ain't putting you on the spot. But the dude, Little Brazy, the Utah J-Cat, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:29:23Do you feel bad about putting that clip out there, knowing that this kid is really just a fucking fake rapper that put himself in a huge— I feel personally, if some lame came up to me and was talking some shit about that, especially me knowing how serious these other groups can be, I'd have been like bro you should shut your mouth You know what I mean you're fucking You're a 16 year old kid You ain't never been from that lifestyle And all you're gonna do is get yourself fucking hurt Yeah I mean honestly having had so many people Sort of pay attention to that situation I guess I do think about it differently now Because it's like If you're someone who wants to come on this podcast And diss your ops or whatever And then you get killed as a result It's like whatever I mean you were probably saying that In your music you were probably saying that on Instagram It's like you know just cause you emphasized it on a podcast is kind of whatever but with him being so young and saying shit that like we so obviously know that if you're dissing both the southsiders and the north daniels in the same podcast that this is just not going to turn out good for you your reply was genius bro it was like you just had to throw that out yeah that was like the first thing important to say so tell me about ogden utah well yeah we beef with the nortenos that was the first thing he said that was one of the funniest things i ever saw i was like no way this fucking dude just said this bro i was like you know what i was like i wish i could have told this motherfucker bro you should have went in there and said your ops was like sex offenders you know you and your crew went around trying to find rapists and shit and jump on them you picked some of the treacherous most treacherous fucking people on the planet to try to act like you're tough bro i was blown away i was like god what the fuck is this dude talking but you know that kid is like what happens when you have the prominent music in your culture just straight murderous death music and he's like a little ass white kid who's just obsessed with this shit but he's not satisfied with just listening to it he's gotta like really try to live it but it's weird to even think that he didn't think that through in his had like oh if I diss these people that they're gonna do but he got he's got caught up so many times like people ran down on him so many times after this yeah and before and after like bro he's got the greatest hits real I'm telling you what what people don't realize is Utah don't play bro right when I got busted out there when I went into their system bro I was I was blown away at the level of treachery that them dudes display, man.

1:32:06It's like them guys ain't it's not Utah. You know what I mean? Like we think Utah, maybe think Mormons or whatever the hell you think. A square state or you know, it's but a bunch of white people out here. But that's not the case, bro. Utah Utah don't play, bro. They got some serious individuals out there, man. Yeah, no. Facts. But okay, so drugs wise though, if you mostly kept your nose clean since you came home yeah yeah has that been a challenge are you in recovery or oh no i still use drugs oh okay but not meth yeah no fuck no i ain't touched meth since 1997 you know like uh like i'll take a xanax here and there bro uh i think that anybody that follows me knows that I have a special heart, a special spot in my heart for cocaine.

1:33:03But, you know, I feel like, bro, I'm so motivated. Like my hustle, in my opinion, is second to none. So once I get something set in my mind, it's like that is what's most important to me. And right now, it's like I'm building my music career. So I don't like to drink. because I don't want to be hung over. If I drink, I probably party. And then instead of me losing, you know, a couple of days of not feeling bad or of not feeling good when it comes to my music shit, I feel like that shit has a much longer lasting effect on like how I think the clarity of how I think and shit. So, I mean, the majority of the time, bro, I stay sober because I don't, I don't want to take any time away from my music.

1:33:54You know what I mean? I got five kids at home, too. So, like, like partying hard like that is just not as easy as it once was. But you don't have the kind of relationship with coke that you used to have with meth? Where you, like, do some and you just keep doing it? No. No. Like, I'm one of them weird motherfuckers, bro, that, like, I'll feel like a dope fiend if I snort coke and I'm sober. You know what I mean? So I got to be buzzing. I got to be feeling it. I want to keep the party going. So I want to toot some powder and just keep the party going. You talk about it like it's your firstborn.

1:34:31It's like such a loving aura just emanates from your body as soon as we brought up coke. Cocaine is a hell of a drug. It really is. It's been a long time for me. Maybe I should get back into it. No, don't do it. Don't do it. Don't let my, I speak about it like I do the criminal lifestyle. You know what I mean? It was lovely. We was all out partying, fucking breaking down ounces on the table, snorting as much as we wanted. I was saying the other day, if I went to Columbia, I'll do it. Fuck yeah. Can you imagine that, bro? Yeah. Let's go to Columbia. We need to make a trip. I'm down. Start the podcast, though, just like.

1:35:12They got to have like a cocaine tour. Fuck yeah. Don't they got cocaine bars out there and some shit? We're going to find out. Yeah, we're going to find out.

1:35:23Yeah, but bro, like, I don't want to mislead nobody. Like I was saying a second ago, man, I pride myself on staying sober because it's like, this is my ultimate goal is to be a successful rapper, man. I want to be able to make my music full time and just do what I love doing every day, man. It's like, to anybody listening, bro, the streets are not what they used to be, man. It's like there's no loyalty. People are cutthroat in everybody. It's just it's played out, man. It won't work. For sure. Yeah. So where do you feel like you're at with the music thing? How satisfied are you with how much progress you've made?

1:36:05And what are you planning in terms of what you need to do to take it to the next level? Well, I'm hoping that my homeboy Adam 22 takes it to the next level for me. There you go. Yeah. That's the interview. There you go. I hope so. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, bro, I'm happy with every step forward that I take. You know what I mean? I've surrounded myself with a lot of talented people like my partner Vidal Garcia right here, bro. This dude is like a producing genius. And I attribute a lot of my success to that man because, bro, the dude's been making music since he was 11. And it's just like sometimes we'll be in the studio making music and I want to nunchuck this motherfucker because he makes me do the same line 43 times until I get it right.

1:36:51Then he criticizes my whiteness. But yeah, bro, I'm happy where I'm at. I feel like I got a crazy buzz going right now. I mean, bro, I don't feel like I have the amount of followers that your normal cats that come on your platform have. You know what I mean? I mean, I feel like I honestly feel like it was the street shit that got me to this level to be sitting here talking to you. But I feel like I'm a dope rapper, man. If people listen to my lyrics, there's a lot of game in that shit. So I'm getting close and every day I'm getting closer, man. No, definitely. That's that's because, you know, I looked it up the other day of who's the biggest white rapper from California.

1:37:41And currently, G-Eazy is holding us down. Who? G-Eazy you don't remember no I don't know who that is yeah I mean he had some hits so I'll give it to him nah nah I know who G-Eazy is but I mean I am not terribly familiar with his catalog that's not my kind of rap though neither so yeah but uh yeah I'm gonna hold that title here real soon bro I watched a clip of Bule Kev interviewing him and Bule Kev like knew all his albums and shit I'm like wow I really missed out on all this yeah but too like a lot of these people when they were like blowing up in the game bro I was in prison yeah so like when in 2004 Mac Dre where I where I was from was the fucking man bro that fool was that the hyphy movement whatever he had going on Mac Dre was a legend and even to this day man I attribute like my passion for music I attribute a lot of that to Mac Dre because not only was he a dope rapper but that fool fucking went and did time for his friends because he wouldn't snitch on them.

1:38:45You know what I mean? I'm not sure if you're familiar with that whole trip, but you know, they try to get him to tell on his friends so he could go home and continue on with his rap career. And he chose not to do that shit. And if you can't admire that shit, bro, then, then I don't know what kind of people you look up to. You know what I mean? It's not facts, but, uh, okay. What do you actually listen to? What motivates you in recent memory? uh like these days i listen to uh a wax i think a wax is a phenomenal lyricist um griselda like benny the butcher conway the machine i love them dudes bro um estg i think is dope 42 doug i think is dope um good choices i'm probably missing some i i don't i haven't listened to to young thugs music but like I said earlier I respect that man because I feel like like he stood on business bro when everybody else around him was kind of falling apart so yeah I mean he really hasn't put anything out since he got released we're waiting on the album right now he got a couple songs a couple of verses but yeah yeah so but I definitely listen a lot to Benny the Butcher bro I feel like that that dude lyrically is I love how that full rap I love the stories that he tells, bro.

1:40:09He's like a phenomenal storyteller in his music, man. Nah, Ben, he's fire. That's a fact. But, okay, so you got any plans, anything we need to know about? What do you want to tell the people? What's your message? So, wait, let me, I got some shit coming up, too. I want to talk about it. I got a feature with the homie Burner. Shout out to Burner, man. I feel like that's a big deal. And I got an EP coming out called Killer Chronicles. with AWACS. So I'm hoping that... That's like a shout out to the YouTube channel that made a video about you? Yeah. You're next, homeboy. We're going to come down here and shoot a video with you.

1:40:52Like, this is my guy right here. That is a good channel. They don't update that much though. Bro, I feel like it's like what I respected about his channel is like if a story is already crazy, it doesn't need to be embellished. You know what I mean? Like you could take the facts or like what you read and, and just put that out there without trying to make it so much more. You know what I mean? And it's just like, I respected the fuck out of that shit for, for him not feeling like he had to exaggerate the truth because the, the truth seems like it's crazy enough to me. Nah, facts. Um, all right.

1:41:35So yeah, you gotta, Wait, weren't you about to say you had an announcement? That was the announcement. Oh, that was the announcement. The big EP with me and, well, it's like the Burner thing. It started with the Burner EP, right. That was the announcement. AWAX, Killer Chronicles, I think. I want that shit to chart. I'm hoping that your influence could help me out in that regard. Let's go. We got to convert everybody out there into Matty Boy, Spotify, monthly listeners. Hell yeah. Yeah. Facts. All right, so what's your message to the people? Any last words? Man, bro, stay out the streets, bro.

1:42:08This shit ain't what it's cut out to be. And if you get in the streets, bro, I hope you know that your whole life is going to be full of betrayal and deceit and people telling on you, or you're going to end up being a rat and nobody's going to like you no more because you sit down when you pee instead of standing up and letting your nuts drag. So nah, but I'm being sincere, man. Find a passion, chase your dreams, brother. The dope game is really stupid, man. It's no kind of life. That's facts. Matty, appreciate you. Man, I appreciate you, my brother. Everybody go tune in, turn him up on Instagram and all streaming platforms.

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