Michael Blackson on Impregnating his Sidechick, Kevin Hart Roast, Katt Williams Beef & More

19 Jun 2026 · 1 h 34 min · 42 chapters

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In short

Michael Blackson discusses real-life beef and comedy ethics, including his long-running feud history with Cat Williams, his reactions to Kevin Hart’s roast controversy (especially jokes about George Floyd), and a story about being arrested with Kevin Hart’s crew in 1999. He also shares Liberian background stories, including General Butt Naked and Liberia’s political history (Talbot, Samuel K. Doe, Charles Taylor, civil war era).

Guests

Michael Blackson (Liberian-born comedian/actor; claims he doesn’t know his exact age; reps West Africa/ECOWAS; mentions being featured in a Vice documentary clip about General Butt Naked). The other speaker is a No Jumper host/crew member (referenced as “a host” who went to jail for murder; also mentions a Liberian-origin celebrity-drama YouTuber “Poetic Flocco”).

Key claims

Beef sells in comedy and entertainment; roasts can be used to create controversy and boost specials; Kevin Hart’s “George Floyd” roast moment was not handled like a typical comic response; Blackson says he tried to keep his Cat Williams jokes “not career-based” and that his best friend’s death (COVID) ended the online feud.

Notable examples

Cat Williams calling him a “cunt” after Blackson’s MLK-related post; Blackson booking Cat for ~$100k shows (Cincinnati booing, later Birmingham improved); 1999 NJ stop where a car with a stolen license plate led to guns drawn, missed a Brooklyn gig, and derailed plans before an LA audition.

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Guest Introduction and Light Banter

1:10 to 2:42

Explore the light-hearted conversation about previous guests and their backgrounds.

“what you uh cooking up there some pet mint tea with lemon juice nice uh yeah yeah yeah no honey no honey available at this time well i don't know i feel like you You might be like the first guest who like cooked up.”

Reflections on Violence and Choices

2:43 to 5:34

Discuss the factors that drive individuals to violence and the societal pressures involved.

“No, no, I'm sure anybody could be pushed.”

Cultural Insights: Birthday Traditions

5:35 to 7:25

Learn about the unique birthday traditions and age perceptions in Liberia.

“And a lot of times we don't motherfucking know.”

Historical Context of Liberia

7:26 to 11:42

Understand the history of Liberia and its relationship with American freed slaves.

“encourage a lot of black americans to go to liberia because liberia first of all when slaves were left free back in the 1890s, whatever it was.”

The Tale of General Butt Naked

11:43 to 13:57

Discover the infamous story of General Butt Naked and his actions during the Liberian civil war.

“I just knew, I'm not even sure how their relationship was when those 5 ,000 so black Americans came to Liberia.”

Exploring General Butt Naked and Liberian History

14:00 to 17:20

Learn about the infamous Liberian warlord General Butt Naked and the context behind his actions.

“How do you know about Butt Naked but you don't know about Charles Taylor?”

Michael Blackson on His Beef with Katt Williams

17:20 to 22:30

Michael Blackson discusses the ongoing conflict with Katt Williams and reflects on their comedic rivalry.

“end of 21, beginning of 22 is when I lost my best friend.”

The Dynamics of Comedy Roast Culture

22:30 to 25:00

Insights into the playful yet fierce nature of comedy roasts and how they affect professional relationships.

“And you hadn't had any chance to speak about it?”
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Attempting Reconciliation with Katt Williams

25:00 to 28:00

Blackson shares his experiences trying to reconcile with Katt Williams amidst their comedic feud.

“I saw like a trailer when I was researching for this.”

The Challenge of Apologizing in Comedy

28:00 to 29:00

Explore the complexities of resolving conflicts in the comedy world.

The Nature of Beef in Comedy and Hip Hop

29:00 to 30:20

Discuss how conflict can be a marketing strategy in both comedy and hip hop.

“But then in hip hop, there's the precedent of violence.”

Perception of Beef Across Cultures

30:20 to 31:20

Analyze how animosity exists in different entertainment sectors.

“Now that Cat and Cab had his fake fucking makeup on Netflix, right?”

Entertainers and Their Public Conflicts

31:20 to 32:20

Examine how entertainers handle conflicts both publicly and privately.

“Like they're directly tied into the shit as well.”

Historical Context of Beef as Promotion

32:20 to 33:20

Understand how the concept of beef has evolved as a promotional tool in the industry.

“Like he wants to ruin your career for life.”

50 Cent and the Reality of Beef

33:20 to 34:20

Explore the real-life implications of beef in the careers of entertainers like 50 Cent.

“I'm like, yo man, let's pretend we got a beef.”

Kevin Hart's Netflix Roast Controversy

34:20 to 35:20

Discuss the backlash surrounding Kevin Hart's comedy roast on Netflix.

“And there's a sad part about it where a lot of times beef is always within the team.”

Navigating Comedy and Offense

35:20 to 36:30

Delve into the balance of humor and sensitivity in comedic performances.

“comedy in particular in roasts are um that's my guy what's the guy's name again fuck you gotta I said a joke.”

The Importance of Personal Connections in Comedy

36:30 to 37:30

Highlight the value of personal relationships among comedians during performances.

“I mean, I was invited to be on the panel or nothing for whatever reason.”

A Comedic Story of a Road Trip Gone Wrong

37:30 to 42:00

Hear a humorous tale about a chaotic trip to a comedy show and its unexpected consequences.

“that really know this guy personally like me Kev and three other comics two other comics were all arrested together at one time we all got locked up and spent over like a few hours in jail and what was that for?”

The Wild Night in Newark

42:00 to 44:39

Michael Blackson recounts a chaotic experience leading to a missed comedy gig.

“The police state trooper saw it like, hey, I think you dropped your money.”

Roasting Kevin Hart

44:40 to 47:16

Discussion on Kevin Hart's comedy style and roast contexts.

“So things like that, you have to get people that really know Cav to find a committed part in the way that guy got arrested, how he worked at Fort Locker.”

Comedy and Sensitivity

47:17 to 49:48

Exploration of what topics are acceptable in comedy and audience reactions.

“So that he could have saved himself that way.”

Offensive Jokes and Their Impact

49:49 to 51:12

Delving into the implications of offensive humor and societal reactions.

“Which I didn't know this at the time, but I said something about how offensive that was, and I had somebody say to me, like, hey, there's a reason why his kids are never on camera.”

Michael's Personal Life

51:13 to 56:00

Michael Blackson discusses his relationships and recent controversies.

“And actually, it came off to me as kind of lazy, but they were like reading their jokes.”

Michael's Experience with Fatherhood

56:00 to 57:46

Michael discusses his experiences with having children and their impact on his life.

“Otherwise, I can't be in a relationship.”

Sexual Dynamics and Expectations

57:46 to 1:00:22

The conversation delves into sexual experiences, expectations, and personal anecdotes.

“But, like, you know, with me, it's different.”

The Role of Performance Enhancers

1:00:22 to 1:02:07

Discussion on the use of supplements and pills in enhancing sexual performance.

“See, I'm the opposite of you, I think, where I can come really easily, but then I got a couple of rounds in me for the day.”

Preferences in Adult Entertainment

1:02:07 to 1:04:34

Exploration of preferences regarding body types and experiences within the adult industry.

“But you know, in the porn world, dudes like shoot their dick up with like a little needle that'll make it like rock hard for a few hours.”

Experiences in the Adult Film Industry

1:04:34 to 1:10:00

Michael shares stories about his experiences and interactions within the adult film industry.

“I mean, the more popular I got, the more the weight went down.”

Exploring Pornography Preferences

1:10:00 to 1:12:41

A candid discussion about personal views on adult content and experiences in the industry.

“No, no, this is like early, late 90s, 98, 90, between the 99 and 2002-ish.”

Chud the Builder Controversy

1:12:42 to 1:14:48

Analyzing the actions and consequences of a controversial live streamer involved in a shooting incident.

“And that kind of had the internet on the edge of their seat because everybody was kind of - Was he at rest of a beat up recently or something?”

Discussion on Racist Communities

1:14:49 to 1:17:02

Examining the emergence of racially exclusive communities and the implications of their existence.

“You can walk out with a gun over there in Tennessee.”

The Dilemma of Community Exclusion

1:17:03 to 1:19:20

Debating the ethics of community exclusivity based on identity and values.

“community where it's like, I'm going to put houses here that cost$10 million.”

The Decline of Comedy Movies

1:19:21 to 1:21:28

Discussions on the shift in the entertainment landscape and plans for producing a new film.

“Remind me so I don't go get a house there.”

Documentaries and Storytelling

1:21:29 to 1:24:00

Reflecting on the impact of documentaries and the nature of true crime content.

“Like, who's out there who give us a funny movie?”

The Impact of True Crime Documentaries

1:24:00 to 1:25:10

Explore how true crime documentaries affect perceptions of safety and awareness.

“I feel like there's been like a documentary made about like every murder ever.”

Cultural Conversations on Comedy and Race

1:25:10 to 1:26:36

Discussion on the implications of racial humor in comedy and its reception.

“So Drewski made a huge splash when he did his Erica Kirk skit where he dressed up as a white woman.”

Debating Humor and Cultural Sensitivity

1:26:36 to 1:28:05

Analyzing who could successfully navigate racial humor in comedy.

“So we need somebody that's not going to, we need somebody that's just lovable that could probably make it funny.”

Reactions to Tragic Events in Media

1:28:05 to 1:30:11

Reflections on a public figure's commentary and tragic death, and its relation to violence.

“I remember I was actually sitting here interviewing somebody and it was like a young rapper, like the exact type of person who wouldn't know or care about Charlie Kirk.”

Upcoming Shows and Promotion

1:30:11 to 1:33:04

Michael Blackson shares details of his upcoming performances and social media.

“That's probably the right thing to do for your sanity.”
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1:10what you uh cooking up there some pet mint tea with lemon juice nice

1:18uh yeah yeah yeah no honey no honey available at this time well i don't know i feel like you You might be like the first guest who like cooked up. Everybody would drink liquor. What did you be doing asking for? Lean. What the hell kind of guest you be having, man? Like serious dude. Killers, drug dealers, et cetera. Serious? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We had one of our regular hosts just went to jail for murder. Oh, that's why I saw that. Yeah, yeah. We don't think he did it, though. We think he was just there. Just happened to be there. He just pulled up to the liquor store. A couple guys beating the shit out of somebody, possibly killing him.

1:53all of a sudden he's locked up because he's a no jumper host so they automatically assume he's like a mob boss. So they might make the same They might make the same assumption about you. Yeah. That's crazy. So we don't think he did it. Motherfucker, you don't know your homeboy? I mean, every time I've been around him he just sat there and smoked weed and he was like a real chill guy. He's not a killer. Never gave me that vibe but you know, anything's possible. Has he ever killed somebody before? Me? or him. Him, him. No, I know you're a killer. Well, you know, you seem like a good guy, man. Yeah, but I could kill.

2:28I could kill. I've thought about it, you know. Well, I'm sure all I've thought about. It's easier the second time. Yeah, exactly. Let me wipe this off, man. I want to like. Oh, you want to wipe that off? You want to give him some napkin or something? Yeah, well, in the words of Tupac, I'm not a killer, but don't push me. You know? Okay. No, no, I'm sure anybody could be pushed. I mean, sometimes you look at like, for instance, was that kid that was just in court and, you know, that killed that... What was the rapper from Jacksonville that they murdered? Oh, you're talking about Fulio's Killers, yeah.

2:58Yeah, like the little kid. He seemed like he was a good kid. One of them, like, you know, his parents, he's from like a fortunate neighborhood and his mom took him to Europe. And this, you know what I mean, looked like a killer. And all of a sudden now, he's about to go to jail. I think that's the allure of the whole drill rapper thing, you know? I'm saying, yeah, but, you know, it's sad when it just shows you that anybody could kill at any moment for whatever reason. Yeah, I mean I think it's like a peer pressure thing. I think it's like when you're a freaking teenager or you're that young, I think that there's a lot of social pressure, you know.

3:33Trying to prove that you're tough. Exactly, yeah. I always hear that once you get past that like 18 to 21 year old age range it's tough. That's when dudes are liable to make terrible decisions and throw their life away. Amadula Amnagata, right? I got that from that movie. What's that? Waterboy. Waterboy. Is this thing in you that make you feel like you're, you know, don't want to feel like you want to be bullied, you want to feel tough? I'm not sure. I didn't even find out what it means. I forget. I heard that over the years, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it's just something, and it happened at that age, like 19 to like 22.

4:10You think you're tougher than you are. You can't look bad in front of chicks. you know you try to look you don't look bad in front of your peer you're like a bitch yeah and I hold you now I'm old but the thing about the thing about Africans like me personally I really don't know my age the internet might say 51 whatever it might say but do I really know my age I don't 51 that's what it says you look great for 51 thanks I don't know how I'm not really sure I could be 39 only because I was born at home I was born at home and where I'm from, back in the 70s and 80s, most parents in Africa have their kids.

4:50We don't have them. Hospital is expensive. Okay. So you have your kids at home. And then you have them at home and nobody's there to write shit down. You don't think about it. So 10 years, we don't celebrate birthday every year. Those who celebrate birthday are like rich kids. I feel like I, as an African parent, would probably still think like, hey, let's write down this birthday. All right, my mom had seven of us at that time and she don't know nobody's birthday. Really? Don't know. It could be a year old. It could be two years old. Who knows? It's just the only time you worry about a birthday is when, okay, you about to travel somewhere.

5:25Right. And now you have to go and put something down on some paper. And then, oh my God, one year was this nigga born. Shit, motherfucker. I remember I was eating chicken that day but I don't remember exactly what time. And a lot of times we don't motherfucking know. That's a good thing about the iPhone is that you wouldn't even have to write it down. You could just scroll back find the birth. It was no iPhone in his 80s or 70s. So unfortunately, I'm between 39 and 51. But you're Liberian, right? I'm, you know, I rep all of ECOWAS. ECOWAS is Economic Communities of West African Countries. Okay.

6:00I'm ECOWAS guy. Meaning like, you know, the thing with Africa, most part of Africa, it's not about where you are born. It's not about where your parents are from. Okay. You become, you would choose any citizenship that you want. You know, if you have parents from Ghana and they go to Liberia and give birth to you, yeah, you born there, but you're really Ghanaian because that's where your parents are. Okay. Or vice versa. You know, so I really don't claim, when I do interviews, I try not to claim any particular country. I claim all of West Africa. Okay. You know, mostly, of course, Ghana and Liberia.

6:31I mean, even though I got my discipline in Nigeria, I was in Nigeria for about three years. And it was three years. You know, I was young. I was between age eight and 11. those three years really molded me to have me become who i am okay yeah because of that i rep all those countries are we rolling already yeah we've been rolling no but i i uh i have a particular fascination with liberia because of uh the the og himself general butt naked oh my god what you know about general butt naked well in like 2012 i watched the vice documentary about him and me and my group of friends were temporarily kind of obsessed with him because of all the tales about him there's a documentary coming out about him i saw wow because they took a clip of me talking about him on the podcast and they're using that in the marketing for this documentary which i didn't give permission for where i i don't care at all but i was like kind of fascinated about when i saw my my i saw my face pop up on like an instagram ad liberia you know and i try to encourage a lot of black americans to go to liberia because liberia first of all when slaves were left free back in the 1890s, whatever it was.

7:39About 5 ,000 of them were resided back in Liberia. And because they were from American descent, they were more educated, they were smarter. Because of that, those guys were the ones running the country. From 1890-something to 1980, all those presidents were all from black American descent. They had names like Torbert and Johnson and stuff like that. And that all came from, you know, coming from the States. And those people didn't have a tribe, so they called them conquer people. All right, so the conquer people were, you know, a lot of them were like lighter complexion because they'd been mixed, you know, whether they're great grandparents or white or whatever, they were mixed, so most of them were light complexion.

8:26You know, and then over the years, it became browner and browner because they started mixing it with the regular librarians. Mm-hmm. And I remember like in 1980, right? My 1980 is a little boy in Liberia. We lived on his farm and his farm belonged to, the president at that time was Talbot. Talbot was the president. Also another black, Talbot, an American name. Once again, this is a concomitant. His family originated from United States from whatever amount of years ago. Okay. So Talbot was the president, and Talbot had a son. He had a few kids, but I remember A.B. Talbot. I remember this particular son he had.

9:10And A.B. Talbot had a farm. When somebody has a farm, it means usually it's a whole town. He has a whole town. And he had like a zoo there. He was there. He was really, you know, he owned that town. That whole city was his. and I remember my mom is an evangelist she still is she's 83, 84 now but she was an evangelist and she preached the gospel and he took a liking to my mother and said hey can you stay in this town we really like you and you'd be good for this town whether you're just an advisor it's just something you could do to help this town become better people. And I remember after he told my mother that not too long, maybe a few years, a few years might be long.

10:06Mind you, I'm very little. So I would probably say about six months, maybe six months, a year might be long, maybe six months later. My mother said God spoke to her and told her to leave. And we never understood why, because we know, as a kid, you know, my mother, like I said, she's an evangelist. All my mother had been doing since we were kids was like preaching the gospel, going different places. We would never stay in one place for a long time. We kept moving around. And then she said, God spoke to her, I said, you should leave. And as soon as we left, a week later, there was a coup, right?

10:40A coup took place. That's when Samuel K. Doe and his crew killed the president, killed Talbert. they made it to that farm and killed AB found his son murdered him killed everybody, anybody that had anything to do anything and just my mom just being a church woman of their town, they probably took her out too and so these are the Africans from America who came and did this coup? we talking about years later, we talking about like 80 years later oh 80, okay we talking about 80 years later I think those people who came to America came from the state back in the 1890s. So it's like 1980 right now.

11:21It's about 80 years later. So no, no, no. So the locals, Samuel Cato was a soldier. So the locals got at that point where, I guess, I don't know much of the history. I'm just saying from what I know. The locals got tired of the Conquer people and they went to take over. you know and they murdered Talbert and his family and I think they let the mother, the wives, they probably let the women go for some reason one thing about those coupes back home when it happened thank god it don't happen much as much now because back then too what also caused coupes was they didn't have a time period for election a president goes in office, this motherfucker's there as long as he wants to be there unlike now where they all got these four years or five years or six years term where if they you know they have to be re-voted back in because imagine you're president for 10 years and the public's tired of you like damn my don't want you no more when you're gonna leave and you don't want to leave they figure out you up there getting rich enjoying the goodness and having fun and you know and everybody else is not doing well and that's what that's not just in Liberia that happened a lot of places a lot of president whenever the public or the people felt like he wasn't good for the country anymore if you don't step down they'll take you out yeah well i always heard this like uh i'm sure it's like a giant oversimplification but i heard that like liberia they basically like handed it over to some former american slaves and that then they essentially it up for the native africans who had never had to go to america you know i don't know the whole thing on it, what, I'm not sure what you want to call it.

13:09I just knew, I'm not even sure how their relationship was when those 5 ,000 so black Americans came to Liberia. I have no idea what happened or too much of the history. I need to look more into it. I should really get really involved and look more into it. But it's in the past. I think currently now, after that coup, you know, the locals took over. You know, the local soldier guy took over and he and what happened? Let me see. This was like 1980 and then what happened? I think 10 years later in 89 89, hey and Karma comes back. You know, Karma comes back and I think Charles Taylor took him out.

13:57You know much about Charles Taylor? Uh-uh. How do you know about Butt Naked but you don't know about Charles Taylor? Chester was before Butt Naked. Really? Okay, yeah. Yeah, he said Butt Naked was 2012, he said, right? Well, okay, that's when I saw this documentary about him, which for the people out there who are wondering who the fuck is General Butt Naked, he was like this famous Liberian African warlord who, there was a lot of very clickbaitable things about him, for instance, like the fact that he would kind of brag about how he used to eat babies before he would go to war and all these other things that like really like that's why we became infatuated with him at that time was because of all these insane things that he claimed that he did that made you like feel well connection i mean it made us interested him at the very least mr jerry are you jeffrey damman related to this nigga i'm talking no i am adamantly anti-eating babies in fact uh i think that that is really like the bare minimum as a as a society that we need to be opposed to but you know i mean I guess if he believed that at the time, I mean, he was raised in a society where maybe that was sort of normalized to some extent.

15:02I don't know. Yeah. So karma came back and Charles Taylor, once again, if you listen to the last names, you could give me Taylor sounds like, and I didn't know about, I didn't know Taylor was conquered till like in the past 10 years or so. I never thought about it. I was a kid, you know what I mean? So now I'm trying to like read as much on it as possible. And it seemed like it was a revenge, which I could be wrong. Don't get it wrong. Librarians don't get mad. I don't know. I'm just learning this as I go because, mind you, I came to the States at 13 years old, so I really didn't know what all this thing was about.

15:34I was just a kid. But now I'm doing the research. I'm like, okay, Samuel K. Doe was a local soldier from Liberia, and he made his crew. I'm not sure Samuel K. Doe did it killing himself or his right-hand man, whoever. That's still a mystery of who really took out Talbot. you know but when fast forward to 89 9-10 years later you know people felt like okay Samuel Cato is having too much fun yada yada and what happened Charles Taylor as far as I know Charles Taylor came and did a revenge on Talbot you know Talbot and then Charles Taylor took over I guess and then and I was like that was the is that when if that was if first civil war was like running the time right you know and so then there's a dude who works for no jumper who is from liberia originally his name is poetic flocco you ever heard of him no uh i wonder if he ever made a video about you because he's basically just does these videos about sort of celebrity drama and everything like that all right okay it's been a while but uh yeah four years ago he made a video called michael blackson and cat Williams beef publicly over MLK.

16:51Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. No, no, so it was, might that was four years now? But you know what, me and Kat beef was, goes way before that. Oh, yeah? Yeah, Kat just, me and Kat beef before that. So when I made a post and when Kat saw that post, he's like, oh, let me jump on this shit and mic up. Oh, okay. And then not too long after that, it was probably longer because it had to be like 2000, it had to be like 22, It was four years ago. Because in 22, end of 21, beginning of 22 is when I lost my best friend. So my best friend died. All that thing that, the internet coming after me died immediately.

17:32When I lost my best friend, all that went into the trash. So let me, if you want to talk about that, let's talk about that for a little bit. Sure. So it was MLK and I'm shouting out. Every MLK year, whatever, day I give a shout out to Mullen King for all the great things he's done. But I'm also a comic so I gotta like, you know, I gotta find some jokes. You gotta roast them. I ain't gotta, I mean, I'm not about roasting but I gotta find something. I always find a comedic part of everything. You know, and if anything, you know, whether it's good, bad, whatever, it's a comic, you gots to do that if you wanna stay relevant and that's what's kept me relevant my whole life.

18:09I make, I talk about everything that happens every time. So I shout out Mother's Day for your mother's MLK birthday. Shout out for the great things she done, yada, yada. And then my next post was like, you know, all this stuff King went through with white people, the best way to get over white people was the white woman. Because I think, if you look in the history, King had the white girl. Did you know that? Yeah. Okay. So I made that comment, right? And then Kat called me a cunt. And then, of course, then D.L., I think, looked at it and made a post out of what Kat said about me. So it became like a little cancer.

18:48It started to spread slowly. And right before it really spread is when not too long ago, my best friend died from COVID. And it kind of killed the whole thing. But me and Cap, it goes way before that. Maybe a year, maybe a few months before that, I did an interview with, was it Noriega? What is it called? Drink Champs. The Drink Champs. And I thought I was complimenting Cap. You know, I was talking about comedians and I said, I think the most lovable comedian on earth is Cat Williams. I don't give a fuck how much crack y 'all think the nigga smoke. And then boom, he just took that. Somebody told him, Mike, call you a crackhead.

19:26But deep inside, I meant it as a compliment. That clickbait will even get your friends. You know, these days, like, your best friend will see the clickbait and not bother to watch the clip. Exactly. Happens all the time. Hey, crackhead, crackhead, crackhead, crackhead. Now it's all crackhead. I'm like, you are like the dopest comic because no matter what you do, people still would love you. And that's all I meant. I meant it for the good part. I put the crack in there because I'm a comic. I got to make you laugh somehow, some way. Crackhead is a funny word. Just a funny word. I'm not going to see do crack.

19:59Yeah. That K sound. The K sound is the funniest sound. I recently heard somebody say that and I looked it up and I guess it's true. Crackhead just sounds funny. Crackhead has multiple K sounds. Even when it happened, when it became a problem with beef and I told Noreg, Noreg is like, yo, what's this thing you hear Cat beefing about? I said, it happened on your show. He said, when did it happen? He didn't even understand that became a problem. He didn't even see it in it when I said it. Nobody saw that. But Cat Williams is a weird one. He claims he's never done drugs, but then if you actually observe his life over the years, there's so many different instances that lead you to believe he must have been on drugs.

20:35Of course. Right. But I never saw it, so I can't go claiming it. Yeah. You know? I mean, yeah, we had this, there was a time between like 2010 and 2012 where he was like performing and he used to start doing a bunch of crazy things on stage. People booing, win their money back. In fact, I had a friend of mine who booked him and I was the middleman in his booking. He said, hey man, probably get me Kat. And I knew his manager at the time. I forgot the lady's name. And I called him. This was like 2012. And we actually booked like three shows. Paying him like $100 ,000 a show. And he took the gigs right away.

21:12One was in his hometown. Well, outside his hometown, he's from Dayton, Ohio. One of a ways, it happened in Cincinnati. And I remember that show, because they put me on the show as well. I was the feature for the show. I was the guy that went away before him. I mean, I went up there, did my thing, 30 minutes. And then he goes up, you know, cracks. I guess those crowd didn't really know what he was going through at that time. Because there was stuff on the internet that he was like, you know, he's not giving a good show. There's something going on with this guy at this moment. Okay. And I remember he was staying a few minutes later.

21:42he ain't talking about much nothing at all and he just pacing back and forth and they booing him they want to fight him they want their money back it was bad you know and that was Cincinnati so I think my bad was two shows that was booked two or three I know the next one though was a few months later in Birmingham Alabama and by the time and when we did that show for some reason he was almost he was getting back to normal it wasn't as bad and I was like, okay, thank God. I'm not sure what that was. But deep inside, man, I have love for this guy. You know what I'm saying? And then, so we went fast forward to like the whole thing with the cracky thing now.

22:22Me and him has this beef, you know, and then we happened to be on Wild and Out at the same time. Ah, okay. Right? We went Wild and Out. And you hadn't had any chance to speak about it? I hadn't had any chance to speak about it. The thing about it, at that time, the public don't really know. Right. You know, just more like inside beef. If you're not online every day reading comments, you're not going to know. As far as I know, look, and Wild and I is a small audience. You know, TV owners are like 200, 300 people. And then the cast members, you know, it's us. I'm like, between the cast members and us, nobody knows me and this guy's beefing.

22:55You know what I mean? So I'm going to like just be chill like nothing happened. But all his roasts towards me was like career roasts. Like, you know what I mean? I'm making jokes about him. Like, you're a loser. You know, I became a star. you did it there, you did it there. If he was going to think of the thing that would probably be the most likely to hurt your feelings, that's probably what he would go with. So you took it personal.

23:19Is that the word to use? No, I was expecting more like do what everybody is doing. Make fun of how black Michael Blackson is. You know what I mean? Or how you African, you've been African for 30 years, nigga. We ain't going to become American. But saying you're unsuccessful is like kind of, it's designed to get at you. It is designed to get at you, but am I unsuccessful? Not from what I could tell. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, to me, I always tell people, so it didn't really bother me. I just knew that he was more of a jab. It wasn't fun. When you know Wild or Not, it should be fun. It's not like the Kevin Hart roast where you up there doing a lot.

23:56These motherfuckers going hard. You know what I mean? But Wild or Not should be more like fun, where a joke everybody get. not jokes that's like you could tell some of the cat mouth this guy's doing too much but I still try to brush it off I try to keep my jokes on his height and him looking like a pimp and whatever try to keep it physical but this guy was going at it so I'm like he's probably and don't get it wrong I also try not to go career with him I could have easily went career with him too I mean he fell off as well at that particular around that moment but I could have went career rose but I felt a little guilty because I felt like you know that whole cracker thing maybe I could have used a better word to describe him so because of the slight guilt that I felt I tried to still keep it cool but he wasn't keeping it cool right all right niggas really pissed so and I'm like and we not and man when this happened we still like in our 40s though we are like we're not kids we're grown so you know I'm like so when we was done filming and I was actually there with my lady at that time and she was like you know just go knock his door and say something to him i'm like listen from the way this guy's acting and the way he's you know ego he has i'm wasting my time i'm not she said mike go go knock his door and just have a talk with him i trust me sometimes you know people i mean i work with cat from you know he did it the friday after next we did the movie we did together was called repo that was like our first time working together it's a movie masterpiece i don't know you know Have you ever seen Repo?

25:33I saw like a trailer when I was researching for this. Okay, it's a DVD movie. It's a hood classic. Yeah, yeah. Oh, the freaking streets love that fucking movie. And you would think that when you work together on a movie with somebody and you spend all this time together that that would form enough of a bond that your relationship would be a little bit more durable, right? Not even just that. Just being on the road. In two days we worked together. Prior to that, comedians, we have mutual respect for each other because we know this is the hardest gig in entertainment. So when somebody make it, you respect them, you know, because it's hard.

26:09I mean, there's so many guys that we all started at the same time, and those guys are all fell off and then homeless and broke with nothing. But just surviving this business without giving up your booty, it's even hard, you know what I mean? So I know. Metaphorically. Whatever they call it. Without Illuminati sucking your dick or you playing with his boss, whatever whoever Luminati is I'm not sure who this nigga is but I'm sure it's a guy dressed in red somewhere with a guy and you just have to go visit him whatever I'm saying but making it without those things and Kat made it without that I did without it you know and becoming successful entertainers that we are till today we talking about we've been doing stand up since we were like 19-20 years old you know we talking about 30 years of doing jokes and we still making a living so because of that we have this mutual respect for each other and that should just be enough to like you know to show each other respect you know to not take things personally like I'm the type man can't know besides the whole cat thing can't nobody I can't recall nothing else you know and sometimes you might you know have some kind of do a show somebody might hear something and you talk and you scratch it right out man we have relationship with every comic that's how it should be you know what were you talking about Just the you and cat beef.

27:30Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. You knocked on his door. I knocked on his door. I didn't want to. Trust me. I'm like, I knew I was wasting my time. So I decided to knock on his trailer in between shows at Wild and Out. His fat, greasy security guy comes to the door. This guy probably hasn't. He probably like two sandwiches away from like a stroke. You know what I mean? This guy ain't work out. He probably, this guy probably goes to the gym just to pick somebody up and take him home. Okay. Right? so he comes to the door breathing like he needs a sandwich and then I'm like hey you know I want to talk to Kat so he said okay one second he goes back in there he comes back Kat I want to talk to you and that's it and it's been like that and then but but we'll go back and then I think I made another post another peaceful post and sometimes I made another peaceful post and Kat reposted it I'm like okay we cool right I'm talking about that you know and we good and then he goes Shannon Sharp and then I'm back in there again you were part of like the biggest comedy podcast maybe ever like 50 60 million views something like that yeah my name came up again I'm like I guess we be fining again yeah yeah so don't you hate that though when you try to do the humble thing and apologize or come show affection show love and they're not receptive to it and you're just like damn how am I gonna try to be the mature one and you're just stuck and then with that happening like you know but don't get it wrong at the same time beef sells yeah beef sell whether it's comedy whether it's rap as long as you don't get it all turns into the Tupac Biggie stuff where people lose lives and whatever there's nothing wrong with beef but you feel like beef sells in comedy as well because in hip hop for sure beef is like a marketing strategy and I feel like comedy and hip hop are like similar in that way where there is so much animosity between different personalities.

29:24But then in hip hop, there's the precedent of violence. And then meanwhile in comedy, that has almost never been the case historically. Yeah, but beefs. Let's go to beefs, okay, and comedy beefs. Yeah. Prior to Cap Shannon Sharp interview, he probably wasn't selling as much. After he went on that podcast, and this clown about five, six headliners, he started to sell out again beef sells Chris White gets slapped what happened we anticipated his special beef sells at one point I even had beef with Kevin Hart, we had beef for a while and even we squash it it didn't even did it feel real I don't know but whatever it is when I was beefing with Kev we sold more tickets but people don't know what you're going to say about this little motherfucker so beef always sells and And whether, is that reason why some people don't want to end beefs?

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30:24Because I'm like, all right, damn. Now that Cat and Cab had his fake fucking makeup on Netflix, right? You saw it, right? Yeah. Is that going to stop Cat from talking about Cab anymore? How does that feel? Did it even feel real? You know what I'm saying? So at the end of the day, beef sells. and especially with black people. I don't know why it is, why it's like that. I'm not sure it's a black thing. I mean, I feel like there's a lot of beef within the white world as well. If you look at tech CEOs, you got Sam Altman and Elon Musk going to war with each other and everything like that. But I feel like it quite often doesn't necessarily become entertainment to the audience.

31:11The fan base is not as excited about it. But I mean, even like my wife is a massive Taylor Swift fan, which has kind of resulted in me becoming a Taylor Swift fan, too. And it's like her animosity towards her ex boyfriends or rumored beefs with other female singers and stuff like even for white women who are kind of like on the opposite end of what we would expect to be so interested in beef. Like they're directly tied into the shit as well. Like when people can find it, that's, you know, it's quite often the hook that will get people out of their seats. you know I think sometimes too if entertainers were were cool enough to hey man me with these guys privately let's privately squash our beef they're like publicly being beef to sell tickets you know what I mean if they could I mean I'm not sure do any of them do that or not to just keep that money coming to do like a live show together I've seen it in the past but very rarely no not in live no like if you have real beef with someone You call him directly Meet him at the house You know what I mean Let's squad you Whatever But you know For us to keep selling Let's just keep Let's keep it peaceful Yeah But let's still And like We got this beef going on It's possible But I haven't really Seen it firsthand I mean I remember All the way back The diplomats Jim Jones and Cameron It was rumored In I think I'm gonna say Maybe like 2000 Who were you beefing with?

32:34Each other So like around like 2008 Okay Cameron said that At one point Jim Jones came to him And said hey let's fake a beef for you know publicity and attention and cameron was like what the like he was because 2008 this is a long time 20 years ago people weren't necessarily thinking about beef in the way that we're talking about it where it's a promotional mechanism and uh that that always kind of stood out to me as the first time that i ever heard considered maybe these beefs are not always real because somebody like 50 cent i mean he beefs in a a bloodthirsty manner. Like he wants to ruin your career for life.

33:11He never wants you to do well again. You know, to me with him, it seems a hundred percent. It has to be, it's, that's why, well, what I was saying, I went at people that had real beef already. Not just two motherfuckers. I'm like, yo man, let's pretend we got a beef. Right. You know what I mean? Real beef is there already. You know, but, you know, to my, my, my good friend, 50, I mean, yeah, he been beefing with Diddy for a long time, but I mean, now I guess we see why. True. To me, Young Buck is the most extreme example because Young Buck is not a ditty who's like a billionaire. He's like a guy who realistically is kind of probably paycheck to paycheck.

33:46He's not exactly killing it. And 50 has just over and over and over throughout the years just done whatever he possibly could do to make sure that his career did not make any kind of comeback because he felt like Young Buck was disloyal to him in the early stages of his career. And on one hand, I understand it. This is a person that you essentially made famous, and now you want to make sure that you can't really capitalize on the momentum that you gave him by co-signing him. But, I mean, at a certain point, when it's 20 years later, it's kind of just shocking to me to see the way 50 holds on to that.

34:19I respect it. And there's a sad part about it where a lot of times beef is always within the team. Always, yeah. That's the bad part, man. This person I helped put on one day is going to turn against me. it's kind of like a marriage and a divorce I guess you know yeah I mean a thin line between love and hate once you switch over okay let me ask you about that Kevin Hart because it feels like because of the enormity of it because of the fact that it was streamed live on Netflix that it was like three hours live uncut because of the fact that Kevin Hart is such a giant star it felt like so many people who don't normally concern themselves with comedy were kind of it felt the desire to weigh in on this in particular the black community who are very very offended by some of the things that were said about george floyd in particular when you see that situation playing out why do you think that this sort of became kind of like an inflection point where a lot of like non-comedy fans are being forced to reckon with how offensive a lot of things that are said in comedy in particular in roasts are um that's my guy what's the guy's name again fuck you gotta I said a joke.

35:34Who's the guy? Tony Hinchcliffe? Tony. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Tony's a great roaster. Great. I did a roast with him, me, at the Snoop roast. We had a Snoop roast. And he's landed in this sort of situation many times. Many times, he has. I think because we, you know what I mean? If you watch the show, without that joke, he probably got to stand up because he's just that good at roasting. He did not need that. He didn't need that joke. It wasn't even like, I mean, there was nothing too clever about it or funny about it. And he was a standing O without it. But why did he say it? He said it because it would create controversy.

36:11You got a special coming out. You want to put a talk about him. And don't get it wrong. A few racist people, because every, you know, there's a racism everywhere. A few racist people, of course, appreciated the joke. you know and so hey fan base is fan base so he did it for whatever purpose he was trying to accomplish he accomplished it you know because now everybody's talking about him

36:38like I said it was an unnecessary material secondly you know my opinion on the rose I mean I was invited to the rose but I was working anyway I had a show booked in Chicago it was Mother's Day if I wasn't working I probably would have showed up in person. I mean, I was invited to be on the panel or nothing for whatever reason. I think when you're doing roasts like that, it's great to have star because it's Netflix, it's star-studded and you want to have as many names as possible. But, you know, a lot of those people on the panel didn't know Kevin personally. You know? Like, who knew Naeem might know him a little bit even though Naeem met him at the hype, almost the hype of his career.

37:23you know Spank was from Philly I'm surprised like you know they didn't allow Spank you gotta have guys that really know this guy personally like me Kev and three other comics two other comics were all arrested together at one time we all got locked up and spent over like a few hours in jail and what was that for? for some dumb shit like nothing that we and Kev did so we 1999 we knew comics right We are new comics traveling from Philly to New York to go do a show. We all met up. We all broke. At this time, I'm driving 99. I had a 92 Ford Taurus. Kevin had no fucking car in my time. Ture had a piece of shit.

38:18That's the other comic. His name was Ture Gordon. and then another guy and then the only guy that had a nice car was one guy named Buck Wild he's a local Philly comic Buck is like real big with like everything scamming I mean he has counterfeit money fake jewelry this guy once sold me a fake Rolex I didn't know any better he sold me a fake Rolex had me on a payment plan on a fake Rolex wow yeah that's Buck if you're listening to this I'm f***ing you again right so we all on our way to New York we all decide to meet in one place in Philly, park our car, and hop into one car. Hop into the most reliable car.

38:58The guy with the most reliable car was Buck. Buck had like a, I guess it's 1999, he probably had him like a 96 Nissan Maximum. You know what I mean? I'm sure he sold a bunch of fake Rolex to get this car. So we all hopped in his car, and unfortunately, bucked me so fraudulent, this guy had, and we didn't know, we found out when we got pulled over by the state trooper, New Jersey state trooper. This guy had a license plate that belonged to another car, on his car. So what happened back in the 90s, and I was, I can't even act like I was, I haven't done it, but I did as well, where if you get a lot of parking tickets in your car, you report the license plate stolen, you get a new plate.

39:48Just that simple. or you start fresh, you know? So Buck must have had a plate that somebody must have reported stolen. Like somebody probably got a lot of tickets, got rid of that plate, and Buck took that license plate and put it on his car. So now if the cops, if the statue will follow you and they read your license plate, first thing that come up is stolen property. So they think that whole car is stolen. That's exactly what happened. So here we are about to drive. We all made up at one place in Philly, downtown Philly. We leave our cars there. We all hop into this Nissan Maximum. You know, and Buck, obviously, you know, he don't want to drive because he know his shit ain't together.

40:30His license ain't together. His license plate ain't together. So I'm going to volunteer dumbass to drive this car. So we were on the turnpike. Very close. We were like Newark, New Jersey. Like exit 13 on the turnpike. We right almost in New York about to go do the show for a fellow comedian in Brooklyn, Mike. Brooklyn booked us on a Tuesday night. You know, me, Buck, Trey. This particular night, he has all the Philly guys on the show tonight. So here we are on our way to go pick up this$100 each. Because that's all I was getting paid was$100 each.

41:06All of a sudden, I see a state trooper behind me. I get nervous. Mind you, I only been in America 10 years or so. You know, cops just scares me for some reason. I live in the hood. I live in the Southwest Philly hood. And whenever we see a police, it's just never good. So I see police behind me. I'm nervous. I'm like, mind you, the speed limit is probably 60. I'm probably like now slowed down to like 55. So now I'm looking suspicious. And then all of a sudden, the state, you put this out, I read the license plate. Next thing you know, light comes on. I'm like oh my god what the hell what's going on pull over pulls us out pull out with guns like get out the car guns pulled out on us all four of us driver put your hands up walk backwards I've never had this problem I've never I've never been into this situation before I don't even know which direction to go they're like Mike you're gonna get shot you know I'm gonna make a long story we all end up on the floor we like you know Buck in the meantime has like counterfeit money in his pocket.

42:13He's like throwing it away on the side. The police state trooper saw it like, hey, I think you dropped your money. Get that shit right back to this motherfucker. Right. He's trying to get rid of counterfeit money. So he said, where you guys going? Is it stolen property? Where you going? I said, I'm going to New York to do a show, please. I'm a comedian. I have my headshots in the trunk, you know, pleading my case. And Kevin is laughing his ass off, right, because I'm talking in this African accent. and I'm pleading my case and I'm a comedian and I have headshots. He's just cracking the fuck up nonstop.

42:45This little midget motherfucker laughing his ass up on the floor, right? While I'm going through and I might get deported, motherfucker. I don't know what's going on. I'm drowning. They said, whose car is it? Before they even put this over, Buck said, listen, if they ask you who car it is, tell them you don't know. I said, motherfucker, what do you mean? They said, who car is it? I said, this motherfucker's car. Buck, fuck, wow. Okay? Right? Right. So make a long and so short, we all end up in a holding cell in Newark and I guess he realized it was you know the car not selling the license plate or whatever it is here we are in a holding cell Buck is still nervous so this guy still got this counterfeit money in his pocket he's afraid he's about to get searched now he's like chewing the money and spitting in the damn toilet and his mouth is turning green he's asking us to like chew some money with him I'm like look motherfucker I'm not hungry I'm not chewing no fucking money right so so making a long story short we end up going home the dropper was over at the train station at like 4 in the morning we missed the gig like completely missed the gig we ain't had cell phones to call and hear what's going on or we might have had our cell phone who knows I don't remember whatever it is Brooklyn Mike was pissed that we didn't make it to work that night and the funny thing about it the day that we had we had a court date to come to court and clear this up The day that it happened to give me a court date was the same day that I had to come to L.A.

44:12to do my audition for the movie next Friday. Oh, wow. So I remember me and Cav, the only motherfuckers that decided we were going to record. To Ray and Buck, I don't know why, they just decided they got things to do. They ain't coming. So me and Cav ran out of car at the Philly airport, hopped in the car, drove that morning to court. At 9 a.m., was done about 10 a.m., 10, 11 a.m., We made it back in Philly by 1 p.m. for me to catch a 150 p.m. flight to make it to my audition. So things like that, you have to get people that really know Cav to find a committed part in the way that guy got arrested, how he worked at Fort Locker.

44:53We know him. We watch him grow up. I was doing comedy maybe two, three years before him. He came right afterwards, after us. He's like after me. So we saw him grow up. We saw him working and selling sneakers and stuff like that. I think a lot of times if you want to get a real good moment roast, go get motherfuckers that really know this motherfucker. It makes it even more fun. I feel like one of the prevailing sentiments from people sort of outside of comedy is that Kev is, that he really kind of like failed the black community by allowing a white comic to make jokes like that in his face without reacting.

45:28And I feel like they're kind of like fundamentally misunderstanding how the comedy world works because I can't think of a worse look for kev as a comedian than if he had like visibly been offended in that moment if he if he had stood up and and clearly been disgusted i feel like a lot of people who aren't really fans of comedy think that that would have like won him points or that would have been a good look i feel like in comedy that would have been frowned upon so much he would have been viewed as a diva who couldn't take a joke like do you think he should have done anything in that moment it's kind of hard.

46:05It's hard as a comic. Right. But let's especially him being a comic as well. Yeah. But let's go to Tom Brady roast. The one of the rules they gave them was Tom said y 'all cannot talk about Robert Kraft and that whole massage situation. Okay. When, what's the bullhead guy named that always roasts, that does every roast? Jeff Ross. Jeff Ross. Yeah. When Jeff was doing a joke about Kraft, what happened? Did they edit it out? No, no, no. Do you know what happened? I forget. Tom Brady got up and said, don't say that shit again. Wow. Right? Because he's not a comic. He's a football guy. Right. I'm going to tackle you, motherfucker.

46:43Well, he had his rules. Don't say about that. Did he make rules on what I was talking about? Who knows? I think the only thing Kev could have done to save himself in the black community when he did the Breakfast Club interview, hey, listen, I'm sorry this guy said this. I wish he never said it. It wasn't a great joke. and when I see him I'm going to let him know how I felt about it and I also made sure that it was edited out of the show after it went live because after it went live they edited a few things out of it. Interesting. But that one was not edited. Oh. So that he could have saved himself that way.

47:22Interesting. You know what I mean? Because it was really out of his control. Right. But that's the only thing he could have done afterwards. Instead of simply like you know it's comedy it's this and that. Yeah, it was comedy, but that was not comedy. That particular thing that happened wasn't comedy. So he could have did that. He went fine. Yeah, it feels like the more offensive the subject matter, the more important it is that the joke be undeniably hilarious. Like same deal when they made the joke about the lady whose husband killed himself, even though that was like 20, 30 years ago or whatever.

47:54It's still like even for me as somebody who engages with a fair amount of comedy, still really stood out to me of like, wow, like that just really feels like a f***ed up line to cross. But I feel like once you get all these comics in the same room, like that's just understood that we are here to cross as many lines as possible. Yeah, but at least it was about her husband. And she's on a roast. Right. George Floyd had nothing to do with the show. Yeah, exactly, yeah. Like his brother was there and he was part of the roast. You know what I mean? And it'd be one thing if it was a black comic making that joke.

48:29But it being a white. Black comic would not make that joke. No, we'd been a white guy. Definitely made it bad. Yeah. But I don't think a smart black comic would make that joke. Because he'll probably lose his black audience. A white guy saying it, he's not going to lose his white audience. Right. I mean, there's an issue of what is too soon. And I guess the George Floyd thing was like six years ago. So I guess now, I don't think you would have heard that joke in 2022. Yeah, probably. now they feel like there's a little bit more room for them to be able to do it the same way like the holocaust was obviously horrific it feels like world war ii and the holocaust is you know generally up for grabs when it comes to comedy right um i mean no i don't know i don't know much about it anything i try to stay with death i just don't i don't do death jokes man i'm i'm so scared i just feel like i'm you know that somehow some ways on karma's gonna come back on me if i do anything has to do with death right you know it's i just can't yeah kids it was like a big thing for me that i feel like i just no matter how bad we're beefing i don't really want to make jokes about your kid or even like jay-z's kind of like in that new freestyle he did at the roots picnic he's kind of gently poking at nikki minaj about uh one of her kids allegedly having a really yeah but like because one of her kids has like a learning disability apparently to me that's just like Kanye also said that Jay-Z kids...

49:53Which I didn't know this at the time, but I said something about how offensive that was, and I had somebody say to me, like, hey, there's a reason why his kids are never on camera. Like, the older one, I think she's, like, 18, she's on camera. They'll walk the runway with her. But we haven't seen the boys, which, you know, I don't want to make light of it, but I guess when Kanye said that, it's not like he was just making something up out of thin air. You got to know them personally. I mean, obviously he does. Yeah. Yeah, man, so it is what it is. Definitely. But do you think, like, would you say overall that you would side more with, like, the people who are offended by it or the people who are more free speech absolutists who think that everything should be up for grabs in comedy?

50:36Me personally, I'm not making fun of nobody's dead family members or whatever. I mean, George Floyd was not, it shouldn't have been mentioned because George Floyd's family was not on the roast. You just pick somebody out of the blue because he knew that this person happened the whole thing. I don't know. I would sigh for those who felt that he was wrong and it was unnecessary. Right. Definitely. But he did it for his personal reasons. It wasn't. And did he write it himself? Did the writer give it to him? I mean, if the writers gave me jokes, you could reject certain jokes. but you know Hicklip that's what he does he goes hard yeah cause I mean I think like to a lot of non-comics or people who aren't like terribly familiar with this they think that people are just kind of cooking up jokes on the spot and I actually cause it was kind of during the whole Netflix comedy is a joke festival thing and I had actually gone to a show the night before the roast which was like Andrew Schultz and Jelly Roll where like the headliners and Tony Henshcliffe came out and a bunch of other people who were on the roast.

51:46And actually, it came off to me as kind of lazy, but they were like reading their jokes. Oh, yeah, they were trying them out. For the roast. They were reading them at the show the night before. Right. And so I had a little bit of a sneak preview of that. And a lot of those jokes were like the same ones that made it into it. And for me, I feel like that kind of killed at least a little bit of the shock because I kind of... For you. Yeah, I already heard them like the night before. And so I was a little bit surprised. Was the Joy Floor joke in it? I think it was. I think it was. You don't remember?

52:14There was a lot of deeply offensive jokes that I was kind of shocked by, but it felt like a different environment because it was mostly white. I'm almost thinking if he was in that joke while he was trying out his material, I was hoping somebody would be like, hey, man, you sure you want to do that joke? Right. But a Jelly Roll Andrew Schultz crowd is going to be the whitest crowd you could probably ever get. So it's not going to be the crowd that would be offended by that. But you know how white people are when they hear a joke that they know is racist as fuck, which is like you're laughing, but you're also kind of, Jesus Christ.

52:46Hope nobody knows. I just laughed at that one, dude. Um, so I mean, it was a little bit of a different feel in that venue, I think. Yeah. Um, so, okay. When we were going to do, we were supposed to do this interview maybe six months ago and then you ended up canceling at the last minute because you were having a little bit of a PR debacle because you, I guess, impregnated a friend of yours that was outside of your primary relationship. and you maybe didn't want to confront that at the time? What can we say about this? Well, you know what? I guess when the news came out, the internet was on my ass about it.

53:24So I didn't, I wasn't feeling it was the right moment. Sometimes things happen, you need things to calm down a little bit. Fix your problems before you go talk about it instead of doing it in a moment. Right, because you put out a statement about it which you got some shit for because people felt like your statement was sort of comedic in nature. It wasn't serious enough. I mean, yeah. Like I said, man, I'm a comic. So even during a hard time, I still try to throw a little comedy in there. Is comedy necessary every time? Probably not. But goodness, what am I if I can't throw a joke in there somehow, some way?

54:05But yeah, I mean, that situation is fixed now. I mean, the kids are like, Mikey is about to turn a year old next week, and the other one is like 10 months old. So, you know, things are calm now. And now I'm, I mean, I'm, I guess, open to talk about things now. Okay. So your primary girlfriend is okay with this situation now? She's understanding about it? Because I got to say, I feel like my wife would be able to forgive me to a certain extent for cheating. I feel like she would probably not be able to forgive me if I impregnated another woman. I feel like that would cross a big line in her mind.

54:47You know, with me, my relationship with my fiance from day one has been honesty. you know and she I mean and she knows that I you know I'm allowed to go out and play occasionally as long as you know keep it safe right condoms which that sounds horrible I don't know how you could possibly do that but and the thing about condoms too man after like after three couple of years of sleeping with somebody it's gonna come off oh yeah you know what I mean it's gonna come off really after night one for me it's the things even night one is a stretch. It's hard for me to fathom. But yeah, so eventually it was going to come off.

55:31And because of that, things happened. So she couldn't get too mad because she knew that I was allowed to do certain things. I mean, she was mad that I had a whole baby. I couldn't understand what she was going through with that. But it's not like I was a dishonest person. I felt like I was honest from the beginning of this whole thing. So I didn't feel too much of a kid. Right. You know, because Mike has been doing his thing for the, you know, since I became single. And I was like, you know, even though I was in a relationship with her, I told her, if I'm going to be in this relationship with us, I need to be free.

56:07Otherwise, I can't be in a relationship. And she was okay with it. She was okay with me having, you know, impregnating somebody, you know. But she definitely was a bigger person. She was very mature and very understanding. And then she, you know, she accepts the other baby and loves it like it's her own. You know, I got to give a shout out to her. And I mean, now the babies are like, you know, baby form. Like one is about to be a year, the other one is 10 months. It's like they both put a smile on my face. Even my schedule and everything, I make sure I FaceTime them at least every other day if I'm not around.

56:42You know, and babies just bring new life to you, man. Yeah, it's amazing. You have any kids? Yeah, five-year-old daughter. Oh, okay. Just one. A lot of my guys, I'm a boy maker. My guy's like, damn, how you make a boy? I mean, I don't know. How many kids you got at this point? Let me see. What state is this? California. Okay, I got one here. Little babies in Arizona, and I got twin boys in Pittsburgh. I got 19 years old, and I got the 27-year-old son. So all boys? All boys. Wow. Yeah, yeah. So all boys and like I'm a boy maker. So I'm like, damn, man, how you guys make girls? You have to like bend a bitch over like on a balcony and like, you know, twist a leg to the left side.

57:28Yeah. Like how you make girls? What did you do different? Did you like? That was my first kid. What did you do differently? Did you like she got on top and she went up the roof and jumped on your dick or something? Like what happened? I was just coming in there and it just happened. Was she on top or you was on top? I don't remember. Did she come first or you came first? Probably me. usually it would be me so if you come first then it was done I'm the only one to guarantee cum every time we have sex with her it's a little bit up in the air you know what do you do every woman is your girl your lady a wife I mean I'm gonna be on your wife's business is she a cummer cause everybody doesn't cum some of the time okay not always you know some girls they come you know you f*** them for two minutes they cum some girls they require the vibrator you know they wanna do the DJ set while you're banging her and shit like that.

58:17No, no, no. But, like, you know, with me, it's different. Like, you know, writers are coming. I'm a bit of business out there. But she has to come every time we have sex. So she comes first, then I come second. Right. You know, and I got, you know, the other, like, other people is, like, they don't care if they come. They just want to satisfy you or whatever. Or, of course, women are much harder to come. Yeah. You know, I used to date years ago, eight years ago, when I did it somewhere, like, she came more from oral. So my fucking mouth was like numb every fucking day. Really? You know, because I had to make sure she come.

58:49I'm very selfless when it comes to sex. Okay. Like if you're a comer, I got to make sure you come. Because if you come and I go and then without coming, then where are we going? Right. I've never been in a relationship with a woman who felt like she had to come every time. Nah. You have? Yeah, my fiance has to come every time. I feel like I might start to resent her. Yeah, man, it's defeat. the sex was completely useless if she doesn't come. Really? You know. And it's been time. All right. So because she knows that if I come, I'm going to put your business out there rather. But listen, right? Like, she know if I come.

59:26What's this nigga back there laughing, man? Yeah, yeah. Fucking Jamie over here cackling away. If I come. Yeah. I'm probably at my age now. If I come, I'm done for the day. Really? So, well, I would, so in times where she want to probably have sex three times and when I'm with her, with my schedule, I probably spent, I'll see her three days every other week. Okay. So she tried to come as much as she could. So because of that, I got to at least make sure she come at least like two or three times a day. So that means that when I fuck her, the first come, right, I'm not going to come. If I come, ain't nobody coming no more.

1:00:12So I would ask for permission. I'd say, hey, is it okay for me to come? She's like, nope. So then I'm done. So now I'm like, I fuck without coming. Really? See, I'm the opposite of you, I think, where I can come really easily, but then I got a couple of rounds in me for the day. Yeah, like later, though, right? I mean, can you come back to, like, man, I could probably do it an hour. Yeah, give me an hour. Give me two hours. And I'll get up, man. I'm not. If I come, I'm sure I'll come again in an hour. No, let's get some new coochies there. New coochie will really get you going, yeah. Yeah. But you ever f***ing out with the dick pills?

1:00:47No. Oh, you got to try it. It's the best. Oh, my God. What if you take that dick pill and the bitch don't show up? Then we're going to work on the hard dick for all day. For what? Yeah, you're going to have to rent the porno movie or something. I'm not doing that to my right hand. I've never had that situation. Well, okay, so I do porn. I don't know if you know this. No. I mean, what the f***? what kind of interview is this man you guys in i'm it gets worse you still do yeah still to this day i'm actually doing it wednesday yeah um but so my wife and i have a podcast plug talk.com where we interview a different girl every week and then have sex with her Wow.

1:01:21Yeah, it's quite the business model. So when we film, we don't want to have to do a whole day of filming for each individual scene, so we'll do two in a day. So after the first one, I'll take the dick pill, and then I got a whole other new life is breathed into me after that. Which dick pill do you take? I f*** around, whatever. I've just been trying a lot of them recently. The honey packs. Like honey, right? I have a box of expired honey packs in my office that I've been doing, yeah. You've been still using it or you don't use it no more? No, I've been using it. Somebody gave them to me in like 2020 and I didn't do it back then.

1:01:52And then recently I ran out and I found this expired box. And it worked? Yeah. And I looked it up on ChatGBT too. I was like, did these go bad? And it said, yeah, don't do it. It's not safe. And then I did it anyway and it was fine. So I just refused to believe that anything was happening chemically within that packet. What could happen really? Right. Make it not get hard ever again. It just seems unlikely, you know. But you know, in the porn world, dudes like shoot their dick up with like a little needle that'll make it like rock hard for a few hours. Yeah. I've never done that, but. I've had like a natural one.

1:02:25I refuse to take anything that's like not natural. I've had like a natural thing before where it was like last three days. You know what I mean? That's too much. Three days. Yeah, it would last you for three days. It's like a natural thing. I don't want a three-day boner. No, no, no. Meaning like, no, no, no. You're not just hard for three days. Meaning like whenever you get horny, it will make you at least harder longer. Right. Or make you much harder than normal. So now the honey packs and the dick pills have become so normalized that I know guys who will take it just to go to the club. Just to go talk to girls.

1:02:58Oh, now with a hard dick. Which I guess they feel like it puts them in more of like a sexual, sensual mind state, which to me, I just, I don't want to be walking into the club with a fully loaded weapon ready to go. So if anything, I want to go the other way. I'm going to jerk off before I go to the club so that I can have more of a clear head while I'm there. What we mean, do you have, you've been a porn, whatever you want to call yourself. Dekler? Sure. Okay. Do you, is there a certain type of woman that turn you on? I mean, anything that's important? Really all. Seriously. Skinny bitches, fat bitches, ugly bitches, doesn't matter?

1:03:37Yeah, it's all great. Seriously? Oh, yeah, yeah. Well. Any bitches who get a dick off? fat maybe not so much but you know elderly maybe not so much what's elderly for you you know that's one thing i'm 42 okay and sometimes i'll be like a milf porn star and i'll be thinking milf i'm sorry it seems like a mom okay mom i'd like to milf um and so you don't remember american pie a little i don't remember word for word but it was a long time ago but uh either way like i'll be a girl who's a milf and i'll be thinking in my head like wow oh, like, this is so cool. I'm f***ing this old lady. And then I'll look it up afterwards and realize she's actually younger than me.

1:04:15She just look old? Like 39 is like, you know, for a porn star. So the women you guys interview are more than 20s, like younger women? Yeah, 20s on average, yeah. Maybe early 30s. So you know how f***ed a fat girl? I have. Oh, okay. It's not really my preferred. No, no. Actually, I would pick a fat girl or a skinny girl any day. Really? About how fat are we talking? I've had some really fat. I mean, the more popular I got, the more the weight went down. But when I was like just coming out, I was one of those entertainers that didn't get a lot of coochie. As a teenager I mean. So when I became kind of famous I was making up for everything I didn't get.

1:04:57So I was just fat chicks. I was mostly into fat girls. I was desiring and undesirable. I was like the movie Shallow Half almost. Oh yeah yeah yeah. I mean, in fact, the biggest chick I banged was, what year was this? Probably 2006 or something like that. And I'm in my crib, and I had like a metal frame to my bed, and I'm banging this chick. You bent the steel? The steel. All of a sudden, we on the floor, like the steel bent. Wow. And then I had my role manager, actually, because I think the next morning we was catching a flight out, and I lived right by the airport in Philly at that time. So he stayed the night so he could catch an early flight.

1:05:42And he was in the guest room and I guess when I was hitting his joint, he said all he heard was blop, blop, blop, blop, blop. So it was like, I think my stomach was hitting her stomach. So the faster I went, the more I blop, blop, blop, blop, blop, blop, blop, blop, blop, blop. And he noticed, he's listening to hear when I slow down, you know what I mean? And all of a sudden I pick up again, blop, blop, blop, blop, blop, blop, blop. All of a sudden the bed broke. Right. And then, I mean, the girl's, I'm sure she was embarrassed. I mean, she knew what she was getting into. She's not just walking around all huge for no reason, right?

1:06:15Yeah, bitch. I don't think she ever broke a metal frame. Yeah. Well, okay. When you're a fat woman, I'll tell you something is that you really understand. I'm not. Oh, yeah. Not anymore? With everything going on, at least go put that fatness into some kind of a shape. Like back then it was like, now I would do a really thick woman that has some kind of shape. I don't care how big you are. just shape it up go see Dr. Crenshaw Dr. Miami whatever you have to see you know Dr. St. Louis just go see one of them guys and put that shit together yeah the whole new dynamic where they suck it in in the middle so the woman is huge but she's still much smaller in the mid section and then the big boobs and the big ass and it's it's a whole different type of fat woman it's attractive to me yeah I'm into that yeah we still have a lot in common yeah we're both horny not for each other or anything but you know I'm not gay no yeah okay just wanted to double check you do a point you never had like have you done like what's it called when you put a train have you done that I've done yeah scenes with other dudes where we're banging a girl together and shit which is it's a really like kind of wild way to get to know another dude yeah especially having a conversation yeah you guys need to talk through it uh no you don't really talk between the men but sometimes like you'll be a girl together and he just like blatantly is like better at this than you or like going harder than you or at the very least has a bigger than you and sometimes like you know the guy will be freakier the guy will be like holding his balls and he'll be smearing his all over the girl's face like super aggressive and shit and you're like damn well i wasn't gonna do that but maybe i need to fucking adjust my my style a little bit to like keep up with his intensity so that's that's weird yeah that's gotta be right and it's i mean then you probably notice where she probably rather prefer him more than you well that's another thing too that sometimes you get that vibe yeah how does it make you feel i mean really i'm just there to do the job so it's like if he's doing a great job and like you know there's two ways to think of it which is like on one hand i'm enjoying having sex with this person and on the other hand well i'm really just here to do this and get it over with so i can go smoke weed and sit on my computer again so really if he's gonna like kind of take the lead role here i mean all right sure well he might get a raise the porn world not necessarily the most equitable when it comes to men for real the women make a lot more than the men yeah yeah because it's i guess but meanwhile if you're if there's no man nobody cares lesbian porn not terribly popular yeah i'm not i'm i just for For some reason, even if I don't watch porn, I guess I used to.

1:09:04Okay. Back when I was, in fact, I got married one time. I was very young, like 22 years old, when I got married to my oldest mother. And, you know, me and her used to watch porn together. Right. You know. You think that was good for the relationship? Yeah, yeah, it was kind of cool for the relationship. And we actually end up, you know, you have a wife, somebody do porn, and you meet them. Like, oh, my God, I watch you, you know. so I've actually met somebody the one girl used to have this long tongue black girl from back in the day and even the one black guy that with the hats on what's his name the guy with a hat on who Mr.

1:09:39Marcus Mr. Marcus in fact I used to do a podcast and I interviewed him once and I remember me know you know like I'm like damn I've been watching you guys you know but I actually went to a porn award it's way back I mean now I'm not even what year was this this is like between like 2005-ish. Oh, no, no, hold on. Back in the day. No, my bad. I was married. I'm married very young. No, no, this is like early, late 90s, 98, 90, between the 99 and 2002-ish. Okay. You know, it's when I used to run into those porn people, you know, but I don't do it as much. And like, now, if I'm going to watch anything because I'm like, you know, I don't want to see no other guy's dick.

1:10:20I watch like Girl on Girl. Okay. The dick freaks you out a little. No, not that. I'm just, I think it would turn me off to see another man's penis. I'm the opposite of that shit. I need that in there. If there's no d***, I feel like she's not really completing the assignment. Yeah, that's true. But it gets weirder the older I get because the more of where I know the guy. I did a scene with a dude the other day with a girl and a dude. Not just a dude. And number one, as soon as he took his shirt off, I immediately knew what gang he was from. So that was kind of interesting. like the shirt comes off and I just see it across his chest which on the LA level is important information you know like a gang or like a real gang no his real gang yeah he's like he was a porn star as well yeah well a lot of the guys from LA you know you you grow up in a gang because you're from a certain neighborhood or whatever and you know you're probably uh you know it's not like you're out shooting people you're on camera yeah that's better that's better but then he wanted to keep his sunglasses and his hat on during the scene and that's identity i don't know i was just like this maybe that's his his disguise his alter ego like it helps him helps him get in the zone yeah i don't know how he feels about me making jokes about it on the podcast after the fact but did you after the fact well i'm kind of doing that right now and just in general yeah but you want to know what his name was i'll just shout him out chocolate god okay that's a good name right yeah if i was a porn star i could see myself in like chocolate sexual chocolate or like midnight train to georgia yeah there's a you know i always thought it was astounding is that there's a guy a porn star named tt boy and he is retired now i always thought he's white but i guess he's puerto rican and he didn't use pills because he's from a prior era where there were no pills and he was doing four or five scenes a day almost every day you know if it like i said if it's if it's a new woman not unless not unless you got this i mean trust me i've had a relationship where i'm like you just want this girl every moment yeah you know porn is not that the passion is really kind of out the window at some point you know you're just doing the job so with porn i guess as long as it's switching up the women i could i could see that happening yeah yeah definitely um okay i wanted to ask you uh how do you feel about this ongoing uh chud the builder saga you're familiar with this guy no idea what that is oh really okay he's he's a live streamer i guess i should just show you his face so you really get an idea what i'm talking about but uh he's a live streamer who's basically uh built a career off of basically like going out in public live streaming and oh he would kind of like racist words yeah he would find groups of black dudes or women i guess and he would you know use the n-word call them chimps this type of thing.

1:13:12And that kind of had the internet on the edge of their seat because everybody was kind of - Was he at rest of a beat up recently or something? Right. So he had a court hearing and on the way out of the court hearing, a black guy basically was heckling him, antagonizing him a little bit and kind of got up close to him. And I think he hit him first and Chud pulled out his gun, shot himself in the leg and then shot this guy. The guy's fine. The guy was not killed or anything like that. But now Chud the Builder is basically facing, you know, attempted murder charges. And they're bringing up his old tweets and everything where he basically predicted this outcome, making it extremely hard for anybody to really feel any kind of sympathy for him or anything because he basically said that this was his goal.

1:13:58And, yeah, it feels like this is kind of like a whole new domain that we've crossed over into. It's just, you know, I mean, obviously this guy has nothing else to stream about. So he figured this kind of streaming would bring a lot of attention. Look, we're talking about him. You know what his goal was? He went from a total nobody to like world famous. So a lot of times this guy just finds something that would make him famous. And that's what his dumb ass found. So you sell what you reap. If you're going to choose this route to go and talk about that, there's consequences you have to pay. So that's, I'm not, that's just dumb ass.

1:14:31Yeah, yeah. It's like really, I think the thing that stood out to a lot of people was just that it took a while. It took like months of him doing this sort of content before somebody was even aggressive enough to lay hands on him, which made him pull out his gun. What state is he living in? Tennessee. You can walk out with a gun over there in Tennessee. Yeah, they have like open carry. So you can just have that on the outside of your pants and everything like that. But he was also showing it. Yeah. And he was also pepper spraying a lot of people. So like before he ended up shooting someone, he ended up pepper spraying like a lot of different people who attempted to, you know, do anything aggressive to him.

1:15:10And really like he pepper sprayed a bunch of people who really didn't seem like they were like a threat or anything like that. That's a wild, wild world we live in. Yeah, man, it's crazy. You know, related to that too, I was just reading about these, have you heard about these like sort of white only communities that they're attempting to build down south? Is it real? Yeah, there's groups of people who are basically, they want to create communities where they feel, not only just white people, but white people who have corresponding values. Everybody's got to basically be a Trump supporter. You've got to be opposed to gay marriage.

1:15:43You've got to be whatever. All these sort of Republican values. Why do people feel like Trump supporter are racist people? Well, I think it's like every racist is a Trump supporter, but not every Trump supporter is racist. Say that again? like if you're racist i got you for sure you're voting for trump and not kamala harris but like you know if you're uh just because you're a trump supporter doesn't necessarily mean that you're racist there's i mean a lot of black and hispanic people voting for trump so you can't just say that everybody's a national white nationalist but okay but so that that's this new world that we live in the new york times actually just put out this podcast about it a couple days ago where these people are creating these communities and so there's actually like a lesbian jewish woman who wanted to buy one of the community one of the houses within this community and once they realized that she was jewish and gay and or i forget no yeah yeah she's gay and so once they realized this they basically uh rejected her application and now she's suing them so now we're going to really find out if legally this is something that america is going to allow?

1:16:53It's almost like, I mean, that's still racism when you pick and choose who could live in a neighborhood. It's not like a certain community where it's like, I'm going to put houses here that cost$10 million. If you can't afford$10 million, you cannot buy this house. So I guess over there is different. Your$10 million is not good over here, pretty much, whether you have it or not, because you're black or you're this and that. I mean, it's wrong, but nothing surprises me anymore. The people who are in charge of it, they own the land. And so then they're in charge of like, you know, selling these plots of land to people.

1:17:28And then they're making the decision about who they feel it's fair to sell this house to. Okay, on one hand. I mean, is it, will you compare it to like Boosie's party where he don't want transgender women to come to the pool party? So I don't know if it would be likely that Boosie would be sued over that. I feel like for a party, for a pool party, it would be pretty easy to justify saying, hey, we don't want whoever we want. You go to a nightclub, they don't let ugly girls in the nightclub, right? So I get he don't want no girls in the pool with a suit on the side or whatever. There is part of me that as much as I'm opposed to racism, that I feel like if you want to live in a community and, you know, regulate who lives in the community based on like anything.

1:18:12If you want to live in a Jewish community and you don't want to rent your houses within that community to anybody besides Jewish people, I mean, I feel like that's okay, right? Would you think it was okay for a black community to say, hey, we don't want any white people living here? I mean, I personally will not go nowhere I'm not wanted. Yeah. So, you know, if somebody don't want, why would you want to go anywhere you don't want to know? You got to worry about people doing shit to you. And who has the energy? Life is short. I want to live my life as long as possible. Right. If my folks don't want me in that neighborhood or whatever, I'm not going there.

1:18:43Fuck your neighborhood. I'm going to go where I'm wanted. Do you have the right to do that? Of course you don't. But if you don't want me there, why should I come to prove what? When I first started hearing about these white-soul-in communities, I thought that there might not be that much of a challenge to it because of the fact that what black person would want to live in this community? Exactly. But the woman who's suing, she was attempting to buy this piece of land because she felt like it was undervalued. She didn't even want to live there. She wanted to just buy it and rent it out as an Airbnb or whatever.

1:19:16Oh, that's a real, real neighborhood. Yeah, yeah. Where is it at? What state? Oh, let me see. We got about 10 minutes, motherfucker. So let's get to the good part. Oh, man, it was a while ago. Where was this? Remind me so I don't go get a house there. Maybe I should get a house there. No, for sure. I mean, they wouldn't want anything to do with me either, for sure. so uh why because your tattoos and you i feel like my the whole porn thing probably goes against look you up whatever they're trying to build as well oh it's in arkansas okay so i don't know yeah i mean i don't know man i do i mean the thing about it we you know i don't know i i just believe like you know don't go nowhere you're not wanted man Yeah, definitely.

1:20:06Okay, why do you feel like the comedy movie thing kind of came to a close, that the comedy movies just don't really exist anymore? And is there still part of you that would love to create something like that? Or is there part of you that sort of resents that you don't live in an age where comedy movies are still so popular as they were in the 90s and 2000s? No, man, it's a shame now. But, you know, it's an era we're in. And people are into these little phones and these kids and all. I mean, our attention span is so bad. You know, and because of that, you know, if your movie is not going to be outstanding, nobody's going to sit for an hour and a half and watch it.

1:20:45Yeah. You know, because we watch a movie at home. You got Netflix and if it's corny, you switch it up to Prime or you switch up to Hulu. Our attention span is just a bad time. So, you know, you have to put something out that's going to be extra unordinary to make people to go out there to sit down for an hour and a half and pay attention to your thing. And it's a shame, you know, but I'm going to actually shout out to the Wynn Brothers that did their thing with Scary Movie 6. I'm about to go and film my own movie, which I would film 90 % of it in Ghana and maybe 10 % of the States. Really? It's a comedic movie, kind of like a comedic version of Scarface.

1:21:23Oh, wow. So, yeah. And I'm going to try to make this the funniest movie. I think that's the goal because we haven't seen nothing funny in a while. Like, who's out there who give us a funny movie? We're committed. But are you going to Ghana because it's much, much cheaper to shoot there, I would assume? Because I want a different environment. I want to make it stand out. I'm like, I shot this in a different place. Right, yeah. You know, of course, it's my land. But I wanted to make, well, it's part of the script as well. it's part of the script where I get deported and I have to make ends meet somewhere else but are you gonna mostly be flying in American actors or are you gonna be finding local talent both I think my main maybe my main three to five actors will come from the states and then I'll combine it with some local actors over there I would be intrigued to see that for sure you're gonna do this on more of like an independent level or are you gonna do it through a studio I'm gonna do my stick my own money and pay everybody and film it and sell it to like whoever but wants to pay the most money for it, whether it's Netflix or Prime or Hulu or whatever.

1:22:24Okay, yeah, because that's kind of the ultimate dream these days to be able to just sell it directly to your fan base, but you feel like that's not necessarily it? I'm going to sell it to the big boys because I want it to be seen. It would be cool to just put it on YouTube and make it money, but no, I'm not spending$300 ,000 to give to YouTube. I want to at least get most of my money back. right away so I can work on the next thing. Yeah, yeah. So I'm looking forward to that and we'll see what happens. Do you ever feel torn when you reach the end of the day and you're thinking about watching a movie or you're thinking about watching something long form, but then you also have like, you know, you've been looking at Instagram or TikTok throughout the day and you can feel that there's this like push and pull between both sides of that.

1:23:14Yeah, yeah. I mean, don't get it. when I'm home and I want to relax and back in work and I watch. There's nothing funny at all. So I'm big. I've been watching a lot of those. I'm big in documentaries now. Like in fact, when we had COVID, when I had COVID back in 2021 or whatever it is. When COVID came out? 2020. I got into March. I got it. Give me my 2020. I got it like a year later almost. Something like that. So I remember when I got it. I was home and I started watching like what the Netflix series called I'm a Killer. And then also the Steve Avery stories. I got into documentaries, like real true stories.

1:23:55I'm like, you motherfuckers ain't making me laugh. Let me go find out what really happened to people. So I got kind of like started watching those and forensic files and stuff like that. You know, studying people. I feel like there's been like a documentary made about like every murder ever. And after a while, it just starts to feel like slop because you watch it. It's kind of engaging while you're watching it. but then pretty quickly you forget about it and you move on and you can't even remember any of the details about what you watched. And it's like, it's kind of depressing. It kind of makes you a little bit like weary and scared of the world around you.

1:24:26Oh my God. It definitely makes you scared. But I think those killer documentaries also make you aware, like study people, you know, what a study killers and stuff like that. So if you come around them, you check from their behavior, you can kind of like, Hey, this mother acting like Jeffrey Dahmer, my girl, I'm going to stay away from this mother. They can help you spot the killers. Yeah, Yeah, man, kind of. You know what I mean? I don't see killing his thing with you. You don't think I got it? Kind of a little bit, man. This is like the interview coming full circle. You started the interview with me telling you that I could kill, which I don't actually really believe.

1:24:57I think I could. It's a difference because I feel like if I did kill, I would probably need like a lot of therapy to work through it. You know, so I don't know if that really counts. If you got to go to therapy, I don't think you can call yourself a killer. Yeah. Okay, final question. So Drewski made a huge splash when he did his Erica Kirk skit where he dressed up as a white woman. And then that sort of lent itself to a big cultural conversation that I've seen a lot of people having, which is basically like, is there a white person alive who is funny enough that they could pull off a similar skit doing blackface?

1:25:32Is that a frontier that anybody should even be thinking about? You mean like in a comedic way? Yeah, like, is there a Theo Vaughn doing blackface skit that could be funny in the same way that Drewski doing Erica Kirk was? And who is the white person who could be most likely to pull it off? And be acceptable as well. Yeah, I mean, in order for this to, like, be analogous to the Drewski Erica Kirk thing, it would have to be something that was so well done and so funny that, you know, culturally everybody just kind of agreed. Like, oh, that was that was so well done. This is the one guy who was able to pull off Blackface.

1:26:10I'd probably give it to Will Ferrell. I don't think he wants to smoke at all. I'm saying I think he's the only one that because he's he's a great actor, a comedic actor, you know, and he would probably pull it off. Probably the best. I mean, I can't. Who do you think? We've talked about it a bunch on this podcast, and I can't really think of the white guy who would be able to pull it off and who would actually want to give it. to try because i feel like that that would be essentially the end of your career on any kind of like professional or hollywood level well if it's if it's in a racist way i mean it kind of has to be at least a little racist like like what are they making fun of well so jake paul was the one who kind of initiated this conversation and he sort of suggested that he was going to do it and i jake paul is not funny right but i'm saying with him just saying it that way every medicine like it's going to be racist just to get even.

1:27:04So we need somebody that's not going to, we need somebody that's just lovable that could probably make it funny. And I think Will Ferrell, I can't think of no other white. And he's not even a stand-up comic. He's just a comedic actor. Right. Shane Gillis. Well, Shane Gillis, I mean, I guess with the Kevin Hart road, you know, he already got some haters already. So he probably won't work. But I love his Trump impression. His Trump premise is incredible. that he does on the Kill Tony show. I mean, notably, when Drewski did Erica Kirk, he wasn't really like roasting her whiteness in any way. He was just impersonating someone who happened to be white.

1:27:43But he said he wasn't, he said it wasn't her. Yeah, I would probably say that too if it were him, I guess. But I mean. He said it wasn't her. He was like relying on all the jokes that had been made over the years about her. Man. The thing about it, I don't, unfortunately for me, I've never heard of Charlie Kirk till he died I didn't know because I didn't know him I didn't know his wife I don't know nothing about these people till he died I'm like who is this Charlie Kirk guy everybody's talking about you know even with that I still didn't go watching his videos to see what he talks about it never it just wasn't my thing but I guess he's you know he's big with the younger audience and people know him but I just didn't know him so it was so hard for him to get involved into all night oh my god you know his wife because I don't know nothing about Charlie Kirk.

1:28:30I remember I was actually sitting here interviewing somebody and it was like a young rapper, like the exact type of person who wouldn't know or care about Charlie Kirk. And I'm like looking down at my phone, seeing my group chat explode with people sending screenshots and videos of Charlie Kirk getting shot through the neck and shit. And it was a strange experience to have to sit here and hold my composure and just do the interview normally without reacting to it. But I already knew who he was because at one point I was supposed to debate him about porn because he felt that probably yeah he felt porn should be illegal and i was supposed to debate him on that and i actually as i was going to the debate i was really feeling like i'm gonna get my ass handed to me regardless of the fact that i believe that i'm right but uh he's just like so so smart and so well researched and i had been doing what i could but i only had a couple days to prepare but then he like backed out the last minute so well he was gonna really do it he was supposed to but also like there's part of me that i believe that the person who was organizing the debate might have been trolling me so i don't know if that was actually ever a real thing i didn't know about rest in peace to that guy and to anybody that just died tragically like that oh it's just horrible yeah it's like you know a lot of times you do these things whatever you speak your mind and you just do and people just take everything personal and they want to just take your life out because you know but at the end of the day man it's like you know you You're just talking.

1:29:50You just, you know, people are just crazy out there. It's weird. I mean, the irony of the fact that he was basically lamenting black gang violence at the moment that he was shot in the neck by, like, a disturbed white leftist. I mean. Like I said, I didn't even know him, so I don't even know what he talked about. You know, I didn't go. And I'm not about to take time to go watch videos and get to know who he is. I respect that. That's probably the right thing to do for your sanity. Yes, 100%. Protect your energy. Yes, thank you, Jesus. Amen. For sure. Okay, so Will Ferrell is going to do blackface.

1:30:26Yeah, I think he might. I think he will put, he's a comedic actor and good enough to do it. Drewski's not a comedian. He became a comedic skit guy. Well, I mean, the definition of comedian is pretty wide open, right? He makes comedic content. Yeah, yeah, but he's not. I haven't seen him stand on stage and tell a joke. But that's a stand-up comic, right? that's like a different well i mean that's

1:30:52you have to be a comedian you have to be a stand-up comic no you could be a comedian and do tiktoks or tv shows or so i mean anybody call themselves comedians well if you if you make content that's intended to make people laugh well the only reason why i'm even thinking about this is because somebody recently asked google up comedians not the comedians guys that actually go on stage and right well somebody recently said like during an argument with me they're like you're not a comedian so you can't make this kind of joke and i'm like well i sit on a podcast and quite frequently you know we spend our time attempting to be funny so i feel i looked up the definition of comedian i was basically like i feel like i fit this did it say you was a comedian when you looked up a comedian well it didn't say that you have to stand on a stage so it did yeah no i don't really want to call myself a comedian but i do want the cover of like if i say something offensive trying to make a joke i want that to be like my excuse so whatever good luck i appreciate What else you got going on that you want the people to know about?

1:31:46Let me see. When will this thing air, though? Does it matter? A couple days. Okay, cool. Let me see. Well, this Saturday, June 13th, I'm live in Boston at the Wilbur Theater. Nice. July 4th weekend, 3rd and 4th, I'll be in Atlanta at City Winery for two shows. After that, Eric, you know what I'm scheduling? When am I in the following week? Am I still doing? You're in Orlando, but that's the end of the month. Oh, that's the Orlando. June 26th and 27th I'll be at the Orlando Funny Bomb and then so we got Boston Orlando then we got Atlanta I know Naples Florida then I go to Africa and film this movie and I come back and then I'm in like New Brunswick, New Jersey at the Stress Factory and then Richmond, Virginia okay Richmond, Virginia just you know hey let me just go to my social media follow me for all those who went to a public school I spell it for you it's M-I-C-H-A-E-L B-L-A-C-K-S-O-N that's my Instagram Twitter Facebook TikTok Christian Mingle where black people meet Black Planet MySpace and um Is Black Planet still active?

1:32:54I don't know I don't know either I recall I think I looked at it in like the late 90s or early 2000s They probably sold it to somebody and they probably that person probably just like MySpace was sold right? Yeah And what happened to it? The guy doing it for something else? They sold it to like Fox and then it was considered like one of the most disastrous mergers of all time because it basically imploded soon after. They left more money on the table than anybody because look at how much Facebook is worth now. Yeah, Tom, he sold that crap and ran it all up and got them millions of dollars. And now he's a photographer.

1:33:27He's probably very happy. He probably makes TikToks if I had to guess, yeah. All right, Michael Bikeson, appreciate you, man. Much love. Thank you for coming through. No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. Like, comment, and subscribe. And make sure you check this out. or shout out to our members who got to see this early. Appreciate y 'all. Yes, sir.

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