Mikki Mase on NBA Cheating Scandal, Drake & Adin Ross Being Sued, Poker Corruption & More

29:16Now the cheetahs put it wet down the way, putting that camera into the machine. Put all my timestamps if you want. And since it knows what's being dealt... This is like 2022 also this year, so...

29:32well what so you're saying that they can use the shuffler to get a specific distribution of cards like 100 percent i've been saying all this for all these years and everyone's giving me pushback that i'm giving pushback come on bro on the internet what do you mean everybody every comment section of everything i don't i don't know anybody who ever said that 100 but why would anybody doubt that you could use a card shuffler like even before this federal indictment came out there was a wired video that they put out that broke down the exact same thing the only thing that I was kind of surprised by was how easy it was to just jam a USB thing in the side of it.

30:05And that, that was kind of surprising to me, but nobody should have been doubting that they could control a shuffle or that people could put invisible ink on the back of cards. That's like, I agree with pretty obvious. So when I came even starting our very first podcast, we did, which again was the first interview I've ever gave in my life. Even dating to that, I was talking about all of this stuff. Look, look, 2022 is not that timestamp, for example, I just don't even think it was like rare information at that time. I agreed. That's how I felt. And so I'm putting this information out there. You're just arguing with the comment section right now?

30:38Basically. Basically. Yeah, in a way, yeah. Right. I mean, Mokit, my thing, the claim that you're making that I have a hard time with is the idea that this is happening to any significant extent in casinos. I've never heard that said. And he talks about it. She asked him on live news on CBS. She goes, do the casinos do this? He says yes. Multiple times in here. Where's the proof of that? Where's the proof of what? He's saying it. He works for the casino. He works at the casino right now and he's saying that the casino do that? I'm telling you just watch it. I didn't hear that. I sent it to you a few days ago for you to watch it.

31:11Okay. But I mean, I don't. Where's the evidence of that? I don't know. I'm not going in there and ripping out their stuff off their tables and taking it home with me. Right. But I mean. I know it's a fact. I know because that's how I won. But how do you know it's a fact if you don't have any proof? I know that it's how I won. I knew that I was at the guy who invented the eyes that can organize the cards in the shuffler as a guy I grew up with generationally I'd known for way before the gambling I knew that this was a thing I grew up in a neighborhood of guys that were there with Bugsy Siegel some Bugsy Siegel Meyer Lansky the Generations the families I grew up with all the families in my area was a common knowledge We all knew about this stuff.

31:45We talked about all time growing up as kids But this is we're talking about technology that didn't exist when you're a kid. Of course it did What do you mean the shuffler machine hundred percent with the do you think I am? 40? Nah, I'm definitely younger than 40. But let's pretend I am 40. You don't think, we'll call it 30 years ago? You think 30 years ago they didn't have shuffle machines? They were hand shuffling? I don't know. When did they bring out shuffle machines? Okay, the idea that there would be a... That they would be digital and that you could stick a USB drive in the side. That, to me, is the...

32:17Obviously, a random shuffler machine, that's easy to imagine. You don't think... If they have the ability to do this in a... Let's talk about today. There's a big difference between saying they have the ability to do this or some private game did this and saying this is happening at scale. It is. That's what I'm saying. It's happening at scale. But what evidence do you have of that? Because I haven't heard anybody say that. I've read all the articles about all this like cheating scandal and everything. And they're specifically talking about a series of corrupt private games, which is way different than saying that official casinos do it.

32:51Just humor me for a second in a hypothetical. using the same equipment in a private game in a casino the private game has the ability and is actively cheating as we now know it's a fact well some some some some some some yeah some same technologies in a casino which means they also have the same ability right that's not that's simple math right they're what the technology they use in private games that these cheating games used to cheat the same technologies in the casino which means that they would also have the same ability to cheat right but having the ability to do it is different than actually being able to say that they are doing it i'm saying they are doing it it's how i won what do you think i'm just the luckiest guy in the world and i just won all this money by accident but you said that you were basically you had figured out a way to cheat at baccarat all the games yeah right yeah but no i didn't cheat just for the record i i didn't cheat but how are you saying that you won they're cheating here's just one example of evidence from the news directly it's public knowledge now of Well, he's showing how it could be done, but he's not proving that the casinos are doing it.

33:55Okay, they're saying how it could be done, right? It could be done. I'm saying, yeah, it could, and it is. And my proof is that I've made all this money, and that's how I did it. Unless you think I'm the luckiest guy in the world, every single time I go to a casino, then what's the alternative? I don't know. I mean, I don't even know that you've won a lot of money from casinos. You don't think I've won a lot? I don't know. I'll show you right now. I'll show you my tax statements. Right. I mean, those could be fake too, right? Give me your phone. Let's log in on your phone. To what? We're going to log into every casino.

34:25I'm going to log into my account on every casino, and you're going to see my tax records. I thought you were banned from all these casinos. Yeah, but tell us my historic tax records, my win-losses. Okay. We'll do it on your phone right now. Yeah, I'm okay. You sure? You want me to do it on my phone? I mean, I don't know. I'm just like, all I'm saying is that in order to say that the casinos are over everybody using the automatic shuffler in that they're controlling the distribution of cards for everybody across all games. Yeah. That's a huge accusation. And as far as I know, you're the first person who's ever made this accusation.

34:57Yeah, more or less. And is this the first time you ever said that? No. I've been saying it this whole time. I'm getting pushback. My recollection of the first interview that I ever did was that you were saying that you had made all this money playing Baccarat, but that you didn't want to reveal what your strategy was. Yeah. And I'm still not going to reveal exactly how I did it. But basically, I figured out that they were cheating. I figured out that, for example, the shuffle machine was not shuffling, but they were organizing the cards. I figured that out. And so I used that to my advantage, that piece of information.

35:25What advantage would the casino have to control the distribution of cards? That I would lose. What do you mean? But they already know you're going to lose because they have the edge. So these private games that we know confirmed or cheated. And also, like, players go on crazy runs where they win huge amounts of money. You're telling me that the casino's controlling the distribution of cards to do that, to allow some people to win millions of dollars, but then to f*** over other players? How would that work? 100%. 100%. Why wouldn't they just let the edge operate as... So that's what I would think.

36:01They're greedy. For example, when Resorts World opened, it was the most expensive casino in the world. I think I forget the exact number. 6.2 billion or 4.2 billion, whatever it was, most expensive in the world. They were supposed to open on a date. that date was pushed back as a covid matter of fact the original group that built that building was the boyd family good friends of mine uh maybe you ran into them they're all around vegas the great guys the boyd family who owns more casinos in america than any other company in the world they built a resorts world they ran out of money the board had to make a decision to sell this during covid so another company came in and bought it most expensive casino purchase in casino history.

36:39Before they can open, the governor pushed back the open date from COVID, another nine months. So the most expensive purchase, and then they've compiled in debt for another nine months without making a single dollar in revenue. When that casino opened, they were desperate to make the money back. Why would they not want to increase their odds of getting money back as soon as possible? But just saying that they would have an incentive to make money. They have an incentive. They have the ability. The only thing left is just saying yes. but also like there's probably a lot of regulation that's going on on a consistent basis with the state and the the gaming commission right not really if the casino such if there's no casino there's no gaming commission it's job security it's the police policing the police right i just can't help but feel like you're you're laying out why they would want to do it you're laying out how they could do it but you're not in any way showing that they did do it how do you want me to show that they did do it i how about this all these videos that i'm posting are showing how they're doing it bro i sent you this video dog you just gotta watch it but we are watching it i don't think it really proves anything oh before you keep playing it a couple questions couple questions sure so you're questioning if i even won right at all well i mean i don't know okay no problem yeah do you think that since that's been my consistent story for all these years that one person would come out and be able to prove that it's not true i mean i don't know i haven't really like i haven't looked for anyone being detractors also I would assume most gamblers probably work alone, right?

38:06Who would even know? A lot of people would know. For example, a guy that used to work in a casino or a casino because I'm accusing these huge accusations against casinos. But wouldn't those same people come out to expose the casinos for running this cheating scam? Let's say the casinos right now, executives, that I'm making these huge accusations on, wouldn't they say, let's just shut this kid up already? Let's just show, let's just take his information or somehow get it out there that he's not a winner. You don't think that would happen one time in all these years of me making all these big accusations against them?

38:35Why would they want, like they actually want people to believe that they could win? Do you think that a single... Why would you saying that you won a lot, like why would that even catch their attention? Who cares? Well, I mean, it's not that I'm saying that I'm winning a lot. You're saying you got banned. I'm saying that they're cheating. It's that I'm saying that they're cheating. You don't think that... But you never really said that before. I've always said it. I feel like you said that you were cheating, if anything. I've never said I cheated. I never got the idea that you were saying that.

39:01Why did I go on camera and say I was cheating? What? What do you think, I'm retarded? Well, you were saying you were winning one way or another, and I would assume that you were in some way getting an advantage. No, I wasn't cheating. I never cheated. If I was cheating, I'd go to prison. So how do you go into the casino and they are controlling the distribution of cards? How are you able to take advantage of that? There's a lot of ways. I'm not going to share that on the air, but there's a lot of ways. There's a lot of ways, and it applies differently in each game. has anyone ever got caught doing it um probably i mean it's not like caught like winning taking advantage of the apparently unfair shuffle machine i guess i mean i guess yeah i just feel like anybody who gets caught cheating like that it's not cheating it's going or anybody who gets caught in any way taking advantage of the casino's generosity, the business that they've established.

40:02Yeah, and people get banned all the time. They get trespassed all the time. They get restricted. But wouldn't the information about that travel to the surface at some point? That sounds like the kind of thing that somebody would make a YouTube video about and they would get millions of views. That the casino's cheating? That they are controlling the distribution of cards all the time. I would argue... Because I've just never heard anybody ever say that before. So I would argue that what you're saying is correct, that somebody would make a YouTube and make millions of views. And what I'm saying is that I'm the one that keeps doing it.

40:26I don't have a YouTube channel. So I come on platforms like this to talk about how they're cheating. And I'm one of the most viewed podcast guests in podcast history, like everywhere, right? For all these years. Every clip of me is me talking about it. The casino's cheat. I'm the way you're describing. Yes, if that was happening, somebody, me, would go on YouTube, which I am, to talk about this. I am, and get millions of views. I do. You're 100 % correct. And in all these years of me making the allegations of how much money I've won, how I've won, that the casinos are cheating, never once ever has a single person, even an old friend of mine who's mad at me nowadays because we're not friends, not once ever could anybody ever step forward and prove that none of this is true.

41:05Not even once. Not even once. How about this? Spencer Cornelia. He made a video. You know what that is? Yeah. Made a video. Before he and I ever met. I actually never knew who he was at the time. Makes this video. Oh, matter of fact. Right. So he makes this video. I interviewed him, yeah. You're the one who connected me to him. Yes. Yeah, I forgot. He made this video trying to expose me. No problem. I actually thought he did an excellent job based on the information he had. I thought he did an excellent job. He was impartial. He was not biased. He was like, here's the facts I have. This is my opinion based on those facts.

41:38I thought he did a great video. I hit you up that same day. I said, can you connect me to him? You said, yeah. He made a chat. I said, Spencer, I'm in Vegas. I saw this video. I thought it was a great video. No hostility. I would like all the things that you said you're uninformed on, I'm happy to give you whatever you need to get informed upon those. The only thing I ask is at the end of it, you make a video either confirming I'm a fraud or apologizing and confirming that I'm not a fraud. He goes, that's fair. Let's do it. The very next day, he met up with me in Vegas and we shot another video.

42:08I gave him anything he wanted and even more than he wanted. I gave him my full phone unlocked. I gave him access to everything. It's all on camera. Go watch it. The second video I did with him. At the end of the video, he goes, I was wrong. Mickey's legit. I don't know what more I can do. Nobody, not once, has been able to disprove anything I've ever said. But I continuously, all the way dating back all these years, I've continually to show evidence. I went on Money Buys Happiness, one of the Nelk Boys pods. They said, can we log in and watch you look at all your tax statements? I said, sure. They put the camera over my shoulder and using face ID and everything, I checked 100 % of my statements.

42:48Go watch the interview right now. I'm not interested in questioning whether you have made money through gambling. I'm totally okay with that idea. Whatever. I'm kind of agnostic on if you were able to consistently beat the casinos or whatever. All I'm saying is that the accusation that casinos at scale are manipulating the shuffle machine to f*** customers over is such a gigantic accusation that I just feel like it would need to be supported by some kind of evidence. let's say before we finish watching this video, let's say, so based on what you just said, you're saying, yeah, Mickey, yeah, you know, I don't disbelieve that you won this money.

43:29I think it's plausible. It's possible, right? Okay, sure. And I think the way you did it, is this what you're, correct me if I'm wrong, what you're saying is, I think the way you won all this money in Vegas is you just got on a super hot streak for three years. You were betting big, you won big, and you know, you got banned, which we know happens, right? Winning players get banned and you got banned before you can give it all back. And then what you're saying, correct me if I'm wrong, is to get views and get attention and get clout, you've built this storyline that the way you won that money is by reverse engineering their cheat.

43:59So you go, everything's true except how you beat the casinos. And I guess the reason I do that is for views and attention. I don't even know that you've made content claiming that that's how the casino is cheating you. Like I've never heard of that until today. It's been my whole thing, my whole online career. I never heard that. All right. Well, here's all the videos with the timestamps. I didn't see anything of that. Like, I would like to see a clip of you saying that previously. I just have never heard you say that before. Yeah. I like off air. I could, well, you just watch any podcast I'm in since our first interview.

44:32Every single interview, I talk about it. Really? Yeah, it's my whole thing. It's literally. So presumably they wouldn't really be able to do it anymore, right? Like if you were airing it out. Well, they still could, but I'm not even allowed to go in there. And something I noticed through my gambling career is that they would adjust things, right? For example, let's pretend that I'm playing blackjack. I'm going to make up a total hypothetical. I'm going to lie right now and make all this up. Let's pretend I'm playing blackjack. And normally, I always play it alone at a private table. The first five hands I play are single hand, and then I open it two hands for five hands, and then I go back to one.

45:03Let's pretend, right? So for 11 hands, they will always know what my standard behavior is. They know my pattern. It's very obvious. I start for five hands. I bet one hand. Then for the next five hands, I play two hands in blackjack. Isn't that right there a good example of how improbable them controlling the shuffle would be in that they don't know if you're going to play two hands. They don't know if you're going to play one hand and the deck is shuffled before any of these kind of decisions are made. They don't know necessarily which player is going to be dealt which hands. The level of complexity that it would take to pull off that scale, You don't think that casinos are complex.

45:45You don't think the math that they use that's 100 % their business is complex. You don't think they have the ability to pull off a complexity. So are you telling me that complex? Is there an entire department in the back of the casino that's basically interacting with the shuffle machine and deciding what shuffle is going to be? Yeah, I don't think it's so black and white, but yeah. But you're telling me that at no point has anyone ever exposed that? Because that seems almost impossible to keep under wraps. I don't think it's impossible. Way bigger stuff gets kept under wraps all the time. How about the Epstein files?

46:19Yeah. You don't think that's bigger and more complex? I mean, no, not even close. What? What do you mean? A bunch of guys going to an island and hanging out with girls, some of whom are probably underage. I mean, it's not that complex, right? You get on a plane, you go to the island. Can you name one person confirmed that committed an act of pedophilia on that island? No. That doesn't sound complex to keep that under wraps when so many people. Jeffrey Epstein. And we're live from the living room as Doug eyes up the match day spread. He's reaching for the Buffalo wing. Perfect. Hang on. What's this?

46:52Oh, he's going for a can of Pepsi, too. Incredible. What a finish. Sensational combination. Look at the delight on his face. There's no doubt about it. It just tastes better. Match days deserve Pepsi. Food deserves Pepsi. Grab a pack of Pepsi Zero Sugar for today's match. It's poetry in motion. Sure. Sure, Jeffrey Epstein. Besides him, because the whole thing of the Epstein files is all the other names involved. But we can't get confirmation on a single other name. Well, because we got the White House fighting to keep it private. I'm just exactly what I'm saying. Joe Biden's White House had access to those files for years and years and years, and they never really felt the need to put it out there, which really kind of leads me to think that there's probably not that much out there.

47:38But the fact that Trump has been fighting desperately to keep it hidden makes me feel like maybe there is. Because if there was anything that embarrassing for Trump, why wouldn't the Biden administration have put it out? Right. Anyway, just going to say, like, big things can get kept under wraps. Of course they can. And I don't think it's complex. Casinos have almost... Okay, think about how many tables there are in any given casino. You know, if there were going to be people controlling the shuffles on a consistent basis, it would take dozens or hundreds of different people. I don't think it's what you think it is.

48:11This is what it is. They say to themselves, they have every piece of compiled data of every gambler's behavior long term forever. They have like every licensed Baccarat hand or blackjack hand ever played, casinos have access to. They do behavioral analytics constantly. It's like a full time job for casinos. that's how they know what colors to use they know how sharp to make the the corners of walls okay but the idea that they're keeping track of every hand you ever played i've never heard that before why do you think they they type everything in what do you mean who you ever played in a casino yeah but who's typing in anything every single pip boss at every single table they're not keeping track of every individual hand you play they don't know my v pip not every individual hand they don't need that they have computer systems that are way smarter than we'll ever be that can just figure it out they have from the from the cameras pointing down the cameras are running their own complexities of what your actual every hand is that's not hard that is not a big deal by the way there's countries around the world that hire casino security to run their national security they're they're very advanced the most advanced this is like not rocket science it's not hard so anyway so i play a private table i play very large we had a guy last time i did an interview that came on that worked casino surveillance at the venetian remember that kid came on during our interview he tuned in he was in japan he came in on the video call at the end of our interview not really okay the last interview me and you did two casino staff came on oh okay yeah there's a female and a male the male works surveillance at venetian where i won 15 million dollars before getting banned and i have a 100 year ban from venetian for winning he works surveillance his job was to specifically watch me every time i entered the building he came on in our interview anybody watching go watch our last interview you'll see this kid his name was uh somewhat a jay i forget anyway and he discussed this he goes my job was to watch mickey figure out how he knows what he knows and try to prevent it and move the stuff around and they couldn't do any of that and ultimately they banned me these are all his words he came on your show he virtually came in and talked about it so i play large enough where it does take a team to specifically watch me this kid came or this man young man came on and said yes i was ahead of the team that watched mickey every time he came into our doors 100 okay so now it does not take that much let's say there's five i forget how many guys he said were watching me every shift i think he says i'm like five or so it's not hard for five guys to watch me play by myself at a private table in a private room in the back that's not hard it's not hard for them and the computers to realize generally speaking i play five hands of one hand and then i play five hands of two hands i go back to one but the idea The idea that there's an army of people who are tracking everybody in the casino is what I have a hard time believing.

50:53I don't think it's an army of people. But it would take an army if it took five people to monitor you. I don't think so. I think that most of it. And what would those five people even be doing? Well, he came on last time. And wouldn't the camera be able to do a large part? Like, why would you need five guys? I think they thought that you were cheating and doing something shady. So it's one thing for them to have all those people watching you, right? Well, that's what I'm saying. So far, we're saying the same thing. I'm just saying that operating that for the thousands and thousands of people in every casino and then the idea that nobody would ever tell to me is unbelievable.

51:25So I'm going to tell you why it does not take an army of people. This might help resolve some of the picture you're drawing. So they figured out this is not hard. You can do this in like – this could be one project of somebody's position is to figure out what is the general behavior of a gambler using real data of real hands and real history. of winners and losers alike. And they go, generally speaking, people are likely to behave in the following way when they're gambling. Then the casino said to themselves, it's not worth the army of people to control and monitor every player. Some guys come in with$10 to a casino.

52:00They go, we don't care. How much can he win off 10? If he loses, who cares? So they say to themselves, based on this, we're going to set a program to all our shuffle machines that generally are going to control your average gambler's likely behaviors. and if somebody does something different and they win congratulations it's good to have a winner sometimes it's great marketing for us to have a winner sometimes generally then a guy comes along and wins more than he should playing bigger than he should and gets special attention go wait a second if somebody when we're not looking at a particular person they're only supposed to win x percent of money but somehow this guy is winning 10x that something fishy is happening here then And they say, is he playing with enough money that it's even worth considering our time to build even an army of five people?

52:47And for me, the answer was yes, because I am playing big enough and regularly enough, and I'm amassing enough in net profit winnings. They go, you know what? We should pay attention to what he's doing. And that's when they took five guys instead of just a standardized automated computer system. They took five real human beings and said, keep an eye on Mickey Mace every single time he steps on our door. We want to know what he's doing, how he's doing it, why he knows what he knows. And that was that guy that came on. Okay.

53:13I mean, I just got to take your word for it, I guess. Oh, go to a casino. I mean, okay, but what we're describing apparently was very commonplace in these home games. The casino thing has not been alleged really. And as far as I know, there's not really any evidence of that. But the private game thing, that is clear that that was taking place at scale. Yeah, with the exact same equipment that the casinos use. That's like if we both have a gun and you get arrested for murder, the cops can say to me, we think you might have shot somebody. And I go, I didn't shoot somebody. And they go, there's only two of you here, two of you have a gun, and there's two dead people.

53:50I go, it wasn't me. And they go, well, you both have the same equipment and you both have the capability of killing somebody and there's two dead people. And I go, no, no, no, it wasn't me, it wasn't me, it wasn't me. I don't know how he died, I don't know. Well, obviously they both could be or could not be cheating independent of each other. Like the private game world and the casino world wouldn't really know what each other are doing. Correct, but - And to use your analogy, it's like yeah both sides could kill someone that's what i'm saying independently that's what i'm saying so my argument is that they are independently both cheating right i guess i'll take your word for it the only counter it the only counter to that is that i'm the luckiest man in the world every time i gamble maybe and maybe that's true if that's if that's what you want to claim i don't know feel free if you want to i just like i don't even know that you have won a huge amount of money.

54:39Like, I mean. So where did my money come from and how come nobody was able to disprove my winnings? Has anyone really tried? Yeah. Has anyone tried? Right. People have made, attempted to make full YouTube careers about trying to disprove me. Really? I haven't seen that. Yeah, because they all fail because they can't disprove anything. 100 % of them have failed. You've never seen like an anti-Mickey Mace video? No. Oh, you're probably busy in life. But if you're ever bored, feel free to scour the internet. You'll find it. You'll find Reddit threads. You'll find everything. Interesting. 100%. Right.

55:06Yeah. No, I've never seen that. Never once in all these years has someone been able to discredit me of anything. I'm going to say Mickey Mace documentary. Let's see what the scene is like.

55:21King of Baccarat hustles$4 million from Las Vegas Casinos. Well, you're actually in that. So I feel like that's different.

55:32Yeah, these are all videos you're in. Look up Mickey Mace fraud or something. like that okay fraud

55:45oh mickey may sued by gambling rival who the fuck is that guy sean perry he's an idiot oh that guy yeah yeah he buys uh instagram promo from us yeah what's your issue with him why is he suing you well he had uh allegedly raped a couple of girls one of them is a good friend of mine and so he wanted to start a beef with me that in his words ends in a celebrity boxing match where we make millions so he tried to propose this to you yeah in advance in a group call with a lot of people really yeah and i said no and uh he said well i'm gonna keep clapping at you online until it you clap back well he just you know he needs the attention in the cloud because he's a scammer he sells sports picks he's a total scammer so he wants my attention i said i'm not doing it so it turned into this whole thing and then he started he used to be a good friend of mine like off camera so he started taking personal shots at me so my homegirl came and goes i hope you win this uh online battle with him he's a bad guy i go why do you say that and she's told me well you me and me and her like had a whole thing about it and i said how are you handling the allegations and that's what he sued me for saying you said that what on a podcast or on social media yeah i said how are you handling the allegations that was the entirety of what you said yeah you can look it up i feel like that's like not enough to sue somebody for well you can sue anybody for anything yeah which is what he's doing he didn't just sue me he sued me he sued everybody else i was on the twitter spaces he sued the guy who hosted the spaces and everyone's like like you're just an idiot had that girl publicly accused him before that before that publicly no she wanted to go on the spaces and confront him that's how it all started she said to me can i go on the spaces and confront them for the first time oh wow and i asked her by the way there's the whole thing behind i said how come you never went to the police like and we can get into that another time but she said i want to go in the space to confront them so i told the host of the spaces hey one of his alleged victims wants to confront him and he was going to do it and then last second he pulled out and said i don't want the legal potential legal ramifications of having her confront him on the show he probably the kid's mad soft i said something to sean and sean said well if you let her on i'm gonna sue you but then another dude on the spaces said i also know a girl you and then that girl did go on camera with that other guy and addressed how sean perry really which had nothing to do with me yeah so is that guy getting sued or you're the the primary person getting sued and all this there's a group of us being sued including that guy anybody who said anything negative about him basically is being sued wow yeah so are you worried about this or you think it's going to get dismissed quickly i have zero concern matter of fact you have to serve me for for it to stand right his window to serve me is up in like two weeks really Yeah.

58:22You're kind of challenging him right there, right? There's ways to serve you without having to physically find you, right? Correct. There's a few ways, and he doesn't have the ability to serve me through any of those sources. Wow. The only thing he's really left with is physically confronting me to serve me, which he also doesn't have the ability to do. But wait, so the reason why you don't like him is because he proposed doing a fake internet beef, or did you already dislike him? We were very friendly off camera, but I always knew he was a scammer. The thing is that he never scammed me. And so we play poker together.

59:00That's how we all met in these private games. He was always like a good energy to have around. He was like so rambunctious and like he was so like retarded, honestly, that it was like entertaining to watch him. And so over time of playing with each other so much, we just kept spending time together. Then he goes, yo, I want to start social media. Can you help me? I go, sure. He goes, I'll pay you handsomely. I said, sure. So he's paying me very absurd amounts to like do a video like where I'd be in a photo with him or a video with him or content with him or whatever. Yeah, that's how it all started.

59:30But then he wants me to do a podcast with him. And in my head, I'm like, you're a scammer. I don't want to do a podcast with you. Like I was like, I don't need more money from you. I just don't want to be involved. And then it just kept going. And then he goes, well, I'm going to get you involved in my content again one way or another. Damn. So I guess you're getting some content out of it one way or another, right? But you're not really like a YouTuber, right? So like what do you even care? I can care less. Yeah. You're like short form only specifically. Not even. I don't even like do content anymore.

59:57You don't even do like reels and TikToks anymore? I do trial reels. That's it. I don't even look at what I post. I just find like an old video and trial reel it. Wow. I think you're the first person who's mentioned trial reels on here. People don't even know. Trial reels is like not a free money glitch because there's no money, but like it's a... Clout glitch. It's like an easy hack for Instagram engagement. But you found that it just works super good every time? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, what I do is I put the caption. I copy and paste. It's in my notepad right now. It says, follow at DirtyGothBoyForMore, hashtag Mickey Mace.

1:00:32No matter what the video is, I just keep putting that. So for people who don't know, basically the trial reel feature on Instagram, the idea is that say you want to try something different. Like say I wanted to do a cooking reel. My audience doesn't care about cooking probably. So if I make a cooking reel, I can set it as a trial reel and then they won't really show that to my followers. They'll only show it to new followers. And that gives you a chance to potentially get a ton of new followers from a percentage of the app that doesn't already engage with your content. I know people who have had insane amounts of success doing this.

1:01:13We've tried it on NoJumper. I think maybe we've had ones that got like a million views and maybe we needed though you don't need so most so okay yeah so trial reels they don't appear on your page yeah and they only get shown in people's feeds to non-followers do not currently follow you yeah right and most of mine sit around the 1k to 10k views right yeah but then once in a while they blow up yeah but you don't even need that so even if it's a let's say it's a low end a thousand right but I post 10 a day or whatever 10 000 people that have never seen my content before yeah go this is interesting let's say uh you know i don't know five percent of them have interest in seeing more that's 500 so you're growing at 500 followers a day right yeah yeah it's pretty pretty legit um okay so recently we've seen uh drake and aiden ross getting sued for basically like promoting stake and I guess like tricking people into getting into gambling is the accusation.

1:02:12And obviously it's like, uh, you know, this has been something that's been kind of festering and will this like offshore gambling world, this non-regulated gambling stuff come back to bite some of the people who have been the biggest promoters of it. What are your thoughts on that? Uh, as somebody who, I don't think you've done a ton of online gambling through like stake and stuff. Have you? I've never gambled. I mean, I have gambled on all of them just to see what they're about. The only one I gamble on is Kirgo. Okay. my opinion on Drake and Aiden is it's like one state it's like a random state like Minnesota or something I forget it's like Minnesota is like suing them and I think I think don't quote me I think the story is there's a dude in Minnesota who lost a bunch of money probably but whatever it's a money grab for some dude in Minnesota so he takes it to the lawyers the lawyers go well you don't have a case really I mean you gambled and you lost you also gambled illegally you know and he goes yeah but I did it because Drake and Aiden were promoting it.

1:03:09So then the lawyer said, well, there's probably bigger money in it if we get involved at a state level. So it's like the state of, I think it's Minnesota, is suing Drake and Aiden and anybody. I mean, it's just a money grab for whoever started it. That dude, you know. Yeah. I mean, do you think that those kind of sites are trustworthy, generally speaking? Generally, no. I gamble on Kirgo. Kirgo.com is where I gamble. I trust it. Anytime you lose, every single day you get money back if you ever lose. I trust them fully. I do not trust mostly all of them. You know a lot of them run with no license.

1:03:42Yeah like all of them because they're all like offshore. Yeah. How are you going to trust a casino that's already illegal? Well how do you trust that one that you work with? I know the owners. I know the founders. They've let me look at anything I've wanted any time that I've wanted. I still do to this day. Okay. So are you able to like view what like the probabilities or. Yeah. So it's called RTP return to player. Okay. So I look at the RTP. I look at everything I want anytime that I want and I do. For sure. So you don't think that it'll actually work out in regards to Drake and them getting sued?

1:04:16Probably not. Probably not. Probably not. I think there's a couple things that could happen in worst case scenario. That state gets hit with a fine which they do not care about. They just got fined I think it was$3 billion to the state of California and now they can't operate within California so they're very specific on that geolock which like they like really don't care right yeah they're doing i think it's 550 million in net revenue a month holy yeah so to them they're like okay we've been doing this for a lot of years that sucks i'll get to write you this enormous check and then we have to block this but they go what's our revenue going to do go down 50 million a month okay we're still making half a bill in net profit you know right so worst case scenario for the aiden drake steak thing is I'm guessing worst case scenario, stake gets hit with a fine, maybe Aiden and Drake, which I'm sure they'll be reimbursed from stake anyway.

1:05:08And we'll maybe, maybe geo lock that one state that the suit is coming from. Maybe. It's crazy just to see the way that the, the gambling sponsors, the non regulated gambling sponsors have really like taken over the podcast space, the YouTuber space, et cetera. And it's, it's come with the fact that like, it's pretty much inescapable. I mean, You can't even watch the NBA without seeing ads for online casinos and everything. You can't watch almost any podcast without seeing ads for it. And then in addition to that, you also have this new meta that has come out where you have people like CoffeeZilla who are calling out people for taking bags from creators who are willing to be sponsored by these casinos for misleading their audience and everything.

1:05:55And it does kind of feel like, oh, this is a bubble that may pop at some point. These advertisers are not just going to keep dumping money into this forever. I have an opinion. If you notice all the brick and mortar, first of all, Vegas revenue is down massively. And they're down year over year right now. And also, all of them are going online. Their target demographic are the people that are playing online. So all these casinos have moved to online options as well. And because of that and the lobbying and et cetera, they will never dismantle online gambling. I think it's the opposite. I think they will start to more openly and widely accept online gambling, but with stronger regulation.

1:06:39So I think they're going to start probably trying to go after all these ones that are acting without a license and all these overseas and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, while opening the doors more to the legitimate ones based in America. man i feel like the the the fact that vegas is hurting so bad just feels like such a sweet justice being perpetrated upon them because they made the whole experience of going to vegas so unbelievably expensive and then around the same time during that same era gambling just became so much easier whether you want to do it legally or illegally or in some sort of gray market area you know you can do it off your phone you don't have to wait for you know just like a lure of going to vegas to get your gambling out no you can just gamble all the time you don't have to go there and get gouged for all your money i mean it's just like it's kind of just a beautiful thing as much as it sucks to see people hurting in vegas but there just needs to be a correction they can't just shove 35 burgers down everybody's throats and 11 bottles of water in the in the lobby and like that bro like they just they deserve this big time i agree i also think they're cheating everybody well yeah that is going to be the most interesting thing for the comment section to weigh in on i think on this one sure i'm interested let me ask you this you play blackjack in a casino no never never okay i'll give you a hypothetical people sometimes play blackjack in a casino and they will lose 10 hands in a row and sometimes it gets absurd they have a 20 the other pulls like a 7 card 21 you know the best that a player will get is a push it's like they can't win to save their lives that could happen sometimes when you finally find your thing you want the whole world to know about that thing so you use a thing called canva to make it an even bigger and better thing whether you want to create flyers for that thing make presentations for that thing or design merch for that thing you can do anything so people can see your thing feel your thing love your thing the next thing you know it's a thing canva the thing that makes anything a thing three times in a day very unlikely i mean each each individual instance is its own coin flip essentially could be could be but what so in that so it's such an interesting theory so it's like on a large enough sample size anything will happen right like you will win a large enough sample size of like infinite hands yeah you can go a period where you win one million blackjack hands in a row that could happen if you play blackjack forever yeah it will happen as much as it's difficult to imagine yeah yeah you right but just right so in this theory in mathematics you will win 1 million blackjack hands in a row the same way the same goes for you also lose 1 million blackjack hands in a row what are the odds that that many people that are alive today that gamble in these vegas casinos are all in the part of that sample size where they will lose three different times in a day 10 plus hands in a row no matter what they do like what are the odds that many people are in that portion of their sample size where like that's all happening where do we hit the sample size where in the same mathematical theory of an infinite sample size, a casino will lose every single hand dealt to every single one of its patrons.

1:10:10When do we hit that part of the sample size? I mean, I think it's statistically unlikely enough that it probably, you know, if casinos exist for another thousand years that it would never happen. But why are we in the part where everybody's losing more than they should be winning back? Are we? For sure. People will go and lose 10 hands in a row no matter what they do. Win two hands, lose another 10 in a row no matter what they do. Win two hands, lose 10. I can't help but feel like, you know, I play online primarily, and every now and then you see somebody in the chat online who says, this site is rigged.

1:10:43I lost aces versus kings 15 times today, et cetera. And it's like, you know, realistically, as a poker player, you just kind of trust the fact that everybody, not everybody but a large percentage of people are running tools like poker tracker that are essentially going to assure them that the card distribution is fair in the long run now obviously people aren't looking into uh the data unless they kind of spot an outlier event and obviously when you have had uh super users playing online who could see other people's cards and stuff eventually that's usually how they get caught is that people just run the data and they say hey this person's winning 50 big blinds per hundred hands and that's impossible and that's how they catch people i can't help but feel like what you're saying is basically just that same exact thing which is that you know it feels like people lose a lot so therefore there must be something unethical going on here don't forget i'm not like a salty gambler i won i won 32 million dollars net profit i'm a very happy satisfied successful gambler my journey was a sweet sweet victory so I'm not like a disgruntled gambler who lost all his money and is looking to point blame somewhere I just know how I figured out how to win unless I'm the luckiest man in the world and the rest of this I'm making up despite all the evidence that's on the news and that I put out there but I mean there are like like I've heard poker players talk about this is how there are people out there who think that they are amazing poker players just because for 10 years or 20 years their variance has just been great and then meanwhile there's some guy out there who's amazing at poker who has had a losing year every year for the past 10 years and probably usually those are the guys who stop they'll just quit because it's such an unpleasant feeling and they're gonna feel like ah i can't win and you know i feel like look at dan bilzarian dan bilzarian is allegedly up like hundreds of millions of dollars playing poker and i i know my my filmer from plug talk is was the guy who was filming a large percentage of those games i think a lot of people have like you know really kind of attested to the fact that he won that money well he played in the corporation so it was a group of players against andy beale okay but either way i'm just saying you know is dan bill's area the greatest poker player of all time no but is it possible that he could have won all these many millions of dollars and never had to really deal with a crazy downswing.

1:13:14His story is based on a very small sample size, but to the first example you gave, there's bad players who for 10 years due to variance, which means luck for anyone doesn't know. So for 10 years, a bad poker player who was lucky won all this money and bracelets and whatever else. And an excellent poker player who was unlucky lost for 10 years. I would argue that the winner is a better player than the loser. I mean, I don't even think that's rocket science. But what if we were to take their statistics and run them appropriately and we could see that this guy who's had 10 years of amazing wins, that he's just like actually a dog player.

1:13:50He just happened to run really well. I mean, like even this is kind of like a new trend. Like CoinPoker has like an online cash game championship series that they've been running. Basically, like all these different tables online. There's no rake. All these players compete against each other. And then they basically award whoever wins the most money. but they actually calculate it pre-all-in EB. So if we get it in and I have aces and you have kings, they're just going to basically award me 80 % of the pot and you 20 % even though whatever. That's I think a pretty smart way for players to be able to keep track of winnings without having to get as large of sample sizes.

1:14:30And that's the crazy thing about it is when you look at the top players, there's guys who won 100 grand, 200 grand, and then there's guys who all in equity adjusted or whatever, they're winning, but in reality they lost 80 grand just because there is so much variance in the short run. I think that's an excellent way to go about it. I think that's really cool and really excellent because you're removing getting sucked out on the river and all these bad luck things. But 10 years is not a short sample size. If a guy's been winning for 10 years and another guy's been losing, the guy who's winning is a better player.

1:15:01Not necessarily, though. Come on, bro. What? Come on. even if you play live tournaments every day you're realistically like not getting to the long run throughout the course of your life sure in many cases sure let's say but let's just not say like uh winnings let's say you for 10 years all you played was circuit tournaments even if you don't cash let's say both guys don't cash or one guy cashes whatever you know more cash than the other guy after 10 years, you can still look at the positions. So the guy had one giant cash that overtook the other guy's smaller cashes, whatever. But the other guy is regular.

1:15:37You can look at an average plate position when they buy. And that's likely to be the case. I'm just saying in the grand scheme of everybody out there, there's one guy who's really, really good that has been unbelievably unlucky. And there's going to be one guy who's unbelievably bad, who's been unbelievably lucky like that that those statistic outliers will happen i guess but 10 years is not a short sample size if a guy's been winning non-stop for 10 years another guy's been losing non-stop for 10 years the guy who's winning is a better player i don't think so not not in reality like like is it likely to be the case yes is it always the case no i guess it can't be finite if you're talking about an indefinite sample right sure the thing is is that even if you play a 100 tournaments a year which is a lot then like you're still like in 10 years you played a thousand tournaments like a thousand tournaments is not that many tournaments you're not even close to getting to the long run you could easily have just run really really good during that time period just like i know poker players who won 10 million dollars in a year and then the next year they lost a couple million next year they lost a couple million next year last couple million and then they won five million dollars they won eight million dollars in the long run they're still up a couple million dollars a year but they could still have losing years whatever if you think i won all this money from pure luck fine no matter to me i don't get anything from this i'm just saying it would be possible yeah it's possible anything's possible absolutely it's possible it doesn't matter to me you know whether i won on luck or i won because i figured out they were cheating right that doesn't matter i don't get paid based on um who gets more votes in this conversation it doesn't matter to me how much poker are you playing at this point and do you comfortably play in home games?

1:17:16No. I basically played none. Basically. And I am not comfortable playing in most home games. I always knew that. Zootopia 2 has come home to Disney+. Let's go! Get ready for a new case. We're gonna crack this case and prove we're the greatest partners of all time! New friends. You are... Gary The Snake. And your last name? The Snake. Dream Team. New habitats. Zootopia has a secret reptile population. You can watch the record-breaking phenomenon at home. You're clearly working at it. Zootopia 2, now available on Disney Plus Rated PG. Introducing Taco Bell's new jalapeno citrus salsa with bright citrus, real red jalapenos, guajillo chiles.

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1:18:45So now you're trying to scan and analyze and take a guess on everybody. You go, no, 100 % of the people in this building seem authentic in this illegal gambling operation with prostitution and drug dealing and money laundering. For sure, everybody in this building seems ethical, and I'm sure I can trust them. Yeah, because I mean for myself, it's a principled thing that I would never cheat at poker. But obviously like all these mafia dudes, nobody knows who they are at poker. They have no real reason to want to maintain a good reputation when they're not part of poker in any way. Some random pit boss getting exposed on Twitter by Doug Polk is not going to do anything to this guy's career.

1:19:22Yeah. And in addition to that, to an earlier point you had made, none of them have to cheat. They all make huge money on the rake and tax. They don't have to cheat. Just like casinos don't have to. There is a house edge. Both of them are guaranteed to print money. But everyone's greedy. everybody wants more money yeah no it's crazy they get committed almost no crime and basically a crime not worth arrest and still clear between 50 and 100k every single day yeah they go no we want more let's commit crime that is arrestable indictable and and go to prison for for some more money it almost makes me feel stupid for doing what i'm doing right now with my life i should run a crooked poker game i mean you know to each their own you know i'm not gonna play in it but teach their own.

1:20:09I know. Wow. That would be such a dead giveaway. Adam, you know all these poker players. Why are none of them ever at your game? I don't know. They just didn't want to come. So, okay. Kind of like my what was my last one? What was I going to ask? Oh, yeah. Okay. Wait, what? I was going to say yes. I do get confused for Brad Pitt all the time and it is a struggle for me. Dude, Brad Pitt is going under the radar. His kids all changed their name. Angelina Jolie don't want anything to do with him. I'm pretty sure he's like a vicious abuser and that he just kind of managed to go under the radar because his family wants nothing to do with him.

1:20:51Really? That's a big claim. He's a vicious abuser? I mean, there's a lot of allegations out there. I'm not saying that he is. I'm just saying that there's like crazy. When you look at the way that his family wants nothing to do with him, dude, it's nuts. For the record, he just said, I think he's a vicious abuser. No, no, I didn't say I think he is. I'm just saying that it's widely reported. You just said it. No, I did not. You're misquoting me. Can we write that back? If they're watching it, they know that you're lying. You literally just said I think he's a vicious abuser. No, no. I don't think he is.

1:21:20I'm just saying there's a lot of... Okay. Is Brad Pitt an abuser? We're just going to rely on the A. Who's he abusing and how? I have no knowledge of it. I guess his ex-wife and kids. Angelina Jolie? She hates him. You know what? I will stand up to Brad Pitt. Because I can't handle Angelina getting abused. And I'll do whatever it takes to see that she feels safe and comfortable. Okay. What's on public record? Angelina Jolie's divorce filings and later court documents contain detailed accusations about a 2016 in-flight incident and other alleged abusive behavior. The Los Angeles Department of Children and Family Services investigated him at one point.

1:22:01But they did close the review and no charges were filed. uh no criminal convictions but okay so legally there's no no criminal conviction factually there are serious allegations but yeah i mean you can't like say it definitively but it's just like there are so many other people that have had allegations of this sort that have kind of had their careers destroyed as a result and i feel like brad pitt because he's a good loyal part of the hollywood machine has really been able to avoid a lot of that. This is the first time I'm hearing of any of this. I really didn't know. That's what I'm saying. It's very well swept under the rug.

1:22:39There is a counter argument that I am not going to stand on because I just don't want to stand on it, but there is technically a counter argument. Bitches be lying? Yeah. But okay. When I realized that the kids changed their names and didn't want anything to do with them, that's when I really was like, oh shit. Again, I'm not saying I have this stance or opinion, right? Because I don't. I do not have this stance. But the mother kind of controls what the kids think quite often. Which always happens, you know? And I don't know how old the kids are. Are they even 18? Or does she change their name?

1:23:12Good question. Brad and Angelina's kids' ages.

1:23:23I'm really counting on them knowing that I'm talking about a specific Brad and Angelina. how the f*** do they have six kids adopted they were adopting like foreign children oh yeah remember that yeah they're all between 17 and 24 so they're pretty much grown ups now well who knows again the next question is when did they change their names like what year like was it this year or was it 10 years ago 10 years ago they're all minors but then even still you know you have kids and a wife for the record all the names listed here end with Jolie Pitt did his kids change their names. This is, at this point, very, very far disconnected from what we were initially talking about here.

1:24:01A lot of them have changed their names. Like, maybe three of them. What have they changed to, you know? Just Jolie? A bunch of them are not even 18, so they wouldn't be able to change their names. A parent could. Yeah. I wonder what the law on that is, though. Do both parents have to sign off, even after a divorce? Which I don't know. Well, if you're a kid, yeah, probably. That's what I'm saying. So the minors. I feel like a kid can't change their name. But can the mother change their name, or does both have to agree to change the minor's name? That's a good question. I would think the kid would have to be on board with it.

1:24:36Hopefully a 17-year-old kid can't just have his name changed because his mom's in a bad mood. I bet you, assuming that the mother can do it without the father's permission, I think you can just change your 17-year-old kid's name. That's very interesting. I think you could. Now I'm trying to see who's coming in the door through the little peek hole in the curtain.

1:24:58sounds like whack okay um mickey thank you for coming in yeah very interested to read the comments on this one appreciate you uh anything you want to shout out or tell them to go check out no i don't i don't really care you know i'm chilling so my instagram is at dirty goth boy boy is boi um i do fund all my fans gambling really fun fact yeah we're up many millions what I do specifically is I run exclusively sharp action through PPH accounts so I just take everyone's bookie accounts I put up all my own money I run all the sharp action any loss is already 100 % my money but on all the wins I break everybody off on every win on their own accounts and we're up many millions nice yeah I do that and I post on my Instagram story like every few weeks like a link to sign up for it if you have a PPH or a private or credit bookie account nice alright everybody tap in with Mickey Mace and no job for the coolest podcast in the world.

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