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28:10Well, now you are. Now you are, right, yeah. But at that time, there was people who were going to kind of take care of you in exchange for sort of backroom deals and shit like that? Yeah. I thought you were about to tell me you made all that money hanging out at the Texaco. Nah, nah, nah. No, okay, good. I ain't have to hang out at the Texaco. I did a lot of gambling, I will say that. But, no, I ain't have to hang out. I was getting some good bags. Like, this one,$10 ,000 was almost$100 ,000. Yeah. You know what I mean? At 14 years old. Oh, man. Like, it was some good bags. Score more with the college-branded Venmo debit card and earn up to 5 % cash back with Venmo Stash.

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29:32What? My jaw dropped. I'm like, my whole time in high school, I don't think I knew one person who had$1 ,000. $1 ,000 would have blown my mind at the time. For real? But a couple thousand dollars and a girl expecting you to spend that? I mean, it's just unheard of. The world has changed a lot. Yeah. In high school, it was nothing to win$1 ,500,$2 ,000 at school gambling in the bathroom where we was from. Atlanta's different, yeah. I'm from New Hampshire. Oh, yeah. It was a different vibe, yeah. It was a lot of money floating around. And, yeah, it was a lot. A lot. For sure. Wait, so what are your thoughts on how the whole college athletes being able to be sponsored?

30:17Like, does that just change everything? Yeah, I love it. I wish they had that shit when I came out. Jesus Christ. These kids are getting paid. And, like, half of them are not going to even make the lead. But, like, at least they're getting to start life with some in that bank account. You know what I mean? Instead of going to college for four years and letting the school make all the money. And then after the four years, hey, we done with y 'all. Boom, boom, boom, boom. I love the NIL deal. So I think it was much needed before now. Yeah. No, that is crazy. So they can't get paid from the colleges, but they can just take endorsements.

30:51No, they can get paid from the college. Oh, they do that as well. Okay. Yeah. Wow, that's crazy. I thought it was just sponsorships. They got$7 million. Really? Yeah. Holy shit. Do you think it corrupts what was previously kind of pure about the whole thing or not really? No, I don't think it corrupts. It's shit. the reason why I'm saying that, Utah is in the national championship. They ain't the richest school. They ain't floating out the most money. They got three stars and four stars, like Mendoza said. But, like, you got some of these schools that are paying bags. Like, Miami, paying bags.

31:30Ohio State, paying bags. Michigan, paying bags. Notre Dame, private school, paying real big bags. So, like, I don't think the money part is corrupting. It's all about the fighting the dog. Like, some of them are going to hit. Some of them are going to miss. But I do think the bigger schools have a better chance of getting the top talent because of the money. Yeah, makes sense. I mean, shit, getting them ready for what the real world is like, for sure. It's crazy because, like, I've had so many rappers on the podcast or, like, there's been, you know, little rap documentaries and stuff. but so many dudes are super into sports and then they just sort of hit that wall where they realize they're not going to make it and they either start trying to do the rapper thing but also the gangster thing you know and it's just like like even uh bloodhound little jeff i don't know if you're familiar but he got killed in chicago like maybe two years ago or whatever but like that was his story he was a basketball prodigy he hits the point where he realizes he's not going to make it boom he's just out there in the field just doing all the craziest shit and I mean it's just it's kind of crazy to just think about how disparate the two life stories are there between somebody who actually like was able to handle it and really made it the whole way versus somebody who wasn't able to realize their potential and just totally went the other way yeah I've never not thought I would make it it was not a doubt in my mind that I didn't think I was gonna make it playing football or basketball.

33:01Like, I knew I was going to make it. Did your parents sort of breathe that confidence into you? No, that was me. That was all me. All me. Interesting. Do you think that, you know, like, do you raise your kids to try to have them have this sort of, like, superhuman level of self-confidence? Oh, yeah. Hell, yeah. Confidence is everything. All my kids, they better have confidence, you know what I mean? and they got big shoes to fill. Like everybody ain't going to go to the league. But I do think if you have somebody that's been there, that know the process, I think if the talent is there, we'll have a better chance of going than another kid with the same amount of talent but don't have the guidance of somebody that's been there.

33:59You know what I mean? Because a lot of parents that didn't make it or went to college but should have made the league, they got hurt, then they start living through their kids, then they training them too hard, then the kid fall out of love with the sport. Really? Then you're like, damn, man, what happened to little Jeffrey, man? He don't even want to play football no more. Your parents never gave you that feeling that they, like, cared too much? Nah. I don't even think my parents knew how good I was until probably about sixth or seventh grade. Now, they knew I was good because everybody was like, well, they're the top in everything.

34:36But once we hit eight, nine, ten years old, playing AAU basketball, going to the national championships, then my grandma like when Holyfield come to your house in the limo like hey can this kid come play with us at old national I think that's when my grandma was like oh shit pretty good huh but before then it was just like we're gonna keep your ass out of trouble you're gonna go up and play every sport you know what I mean but about that 9 10 age I think she knew I know when Holyfield came to all projects in the limo after we played them at Sandtown Park and begged my grandma for me to come play with Old National Knights.

35:18I think that was the spark that my grandma was like oh yeah you're gonna make it. Wow. And so he wasn't necessarily looking at you like he wanted to make money off you? He just saw the talent and just wanted to? Well no he we was their rival team like I played at Sandtown so like that's like Camelton Road Old National is where Old National Knights was at. So, like, we was, like, the best two teams. We had them beat them two times in the championship. And I guess it got to the point. He's like, bro, we got to come get you to play with Alibar. You got to talk to my grandma. But I doubt if she going to let me go all the way over there.

35:54And plus, I don't want to go all the way over there and play with y 'all because we got to come back and play Santown. And I got to be over here with these niggas every day. So, if I go over there and play the rival and then come back to the hood, then I got to argue with them. You know what I mean? Right. So, but it was shocking to see Evander Holyfield pulling up into projects and knowing who he was, heavyweight champion of the world, and wearing about a little nine to ten-year-old kid. Ten? What the fuck? It was that early that they saw that potential. That's insane. Yeah. Wow. So did you, were you getting in trouble like throughout your childhood and shit?

36:33Yeah. Okay. I got in a lot of trouble. A lot of trouble. What was the worst of it?

36:40I took a gun to school one time. That was probably the worst of the worst. Was it because of a specific threat? It was just a lot of shit going on during that time. And they had tore our projects down and moved us to our rival projects. Oh, shit, really? Which was the worst thing they could have did in the city of Atlanta. Wow. And I got to fighting in the locker room, and someone told somebody, oh, I see him with a gun. So they put the school on lock, checked every locker in the school, and I ended up getting kicked out of school. That was my sixth grade year. And then after that, I had a pretty straightened error when it came to school because I knew that I had a chance to do something better than that shit.

37:30So that kind of shocked you enough to be like, oh, like there's real consequences if I do some bad shit. Oh, yeah. And plus, like I missed the whole football season. Oh, yeah. Like that hurt more than anything, really. Like. Missing football and basketball, like I'm like, and then I know my grandma's going to kill me when I get home. Man, that's crazy though because I feel like just knowing you or seeing you over the years so much, I feel like that must have been hard for you to really be on the straight and narrow. Did you struggle with that? Oh yeah. No, I would fight. I would fight anywhere, anybody.

38:11I had a real bad attitude but I've always been respectful and I don't start too much shit but I finish a lot of shit. You know what I'm saying? Wait, how old are you? Me, 42. Same. Yeah. What was your birthday? September 30th. Oh, okay. November 24th. So we're like two months apart. Yeah. That's crazy. We can't hang, buddy. Yeah, we could have been in the same hospital. My parents moved south a little bit, yeah. Yeah. But do you, like, I feel like fighting was such a different thing when we were young because it wasn't social media, so it was just some shit that happened. You'd hear a million stories about it, but now, I mean, like, There's a video that comes out of you and you're an up-and-coming football player.

38:54I mean, it's got to be like a death sentence. I'm so happy they didn't have social media. I don't think I would have made it if they had social media when I was growing up. Everything now is on the camera, bro. That's what a lot of these kids need to realize. You ain't no not doing that without being on camera these days. Like, I'm so thankful that we didn't have Instagram, TikTok, X, all of this shit. The screaming.

39:25Like, these kids are, I hate it for these kids. Like, when we grew up, we got to have fun. Like, you can't do no drugs. You can't do shit right now. If shit is laced with everything, like, you're going to die. Even if you try to have fun. Like, you don't know what's in the shit that y 'all are getting. like we didn't have to grow up like that right yeah like i'm picturing a future in which my kid sees the old podcast clip or whatever and realizes like oh shit dad you used to do cocaine and pop pills and all this shit and then i'm gonna have to explain yeah but it was different because this is before fentanyl this is before i had a bunch of my friends drop dead from just taking one xanax boom that you know they're gone the next day it's like at it felt so much more carefree and and without the social media and everything it was just kind of like you know everything when i think about like what you need to teach your kid a lot of times it's like you kind of have to teach them to like really be so careful that they don't make any mistakes that could be held against them in the future because the the footprint that you're leaving is so clear for anybody who wants to look into you going forward you know well i ain't gonna say any mistake that's like you tell them a quarterback hey just don't go then they be thinking like what that's it don't go then they you have to be conscious of what can happen when you f*** up.

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41:29This shit, let me show you this video right here of this shit that's going on today that's killing people. Like, and that's honestly, honest, being honest with the kids, I think is the best way to do it. Like, my kids know everything I did. Really? Pretty much everything. And so you don't feel like them knowing about the worst shit that you ever did somehow like normalizes it to them? Nah. Hell no. Because you bet, first of all, you better not do what I fucking did. Yeah. Because you ain't growing up the way I'm fucking. Y 'all are hustable fucking kids. You get what I'm saying? But then some kids hear that and then they want to prove themselves.

42:04They want to go do some gangster shit to fight back against the nice life that they have at home, right? I can't. I don't know that. I haven't experienced that with my kids. No, that's a beautiful thing if you ain't had to deal with it. My daughter never made a B.

42:24My kids, I don't know. I guess that happens if you don't show them love. Like, I think being there, making sure they love, being open with them and honest, like, why would I do that? Like, that's how, like, my kids know one thing, to be better than me. Like, my son, and I had to tell this motherfucker, like, yo, bro, just sit down for 10 minutes and let's not train. and like it's no because mentally he's been around so many of the rest of the kids I've adopted or the older kids that he want to outdo them like it's almost it's a routine like you know and then you you have some some some some routines where they're a gangster kid won't be a gangster yeah you know what I mean but in our household i can't speak for a lot of other households but um it wouldn't be better than me right like i went to this uh sort of like rich ass house party type thing on halloween a couple months ago and yeah like we show and i'm just like not used to this shit of like everybody there the parents are all millionaires and shit and i'm just like haven't been in this kind of environment very much and there's a lot of like teenage boys there and we're sort of standing around it's halloween too so i'm dressed up like the green witch from wicked so nobody knows that it's me which is kind of funny because i'm expecting some of these dudes are going to know who i am and there's maybe like two girls and there's like 15 boys and i'm just standing there and i'm watching the boys all they're playing basketball they're beating on each other they're wrestling like somehow they must have took a jujitsu and shit because they're actually like seem like they know what they're doing with jujitsu and they're just wrestling each other the girls are kind of standing they're not even really paying that much attention but the dudes are just beating the fuck out of each other to basically impress the girls they all wearing nice ass designer clothes and shit and i'm just kind of like bro this is so far away from the normal ass upbringing that i had but it also just reminds me of how much energy you had when you were 16 like that you just me and my friends used to just fight just beat on each other all that shit like what happened to that i i barely want to get up off the couch in my 40s yeah um we was the same way yeah same way bro i'm talking about it was never a dull moment during that time yeah you never got tired yeah you got that testosterone just raging through your body i would be outside all day and like especially when i was Young, we had to be in the house when the street lights come on.

45:10But when I got to probably like 7th grade, shit, we would be outside playing basketball 12, 30 in the morning in the projects. That was just the way it was. Right. Yeah, when I look back on that, I'm like, man, you really did not make enough of being in elite physical shape compared to the rest of your life when you're that young you know i used to have a paper route and some days i would just run between the houses and when i look back on that i'm like that is so much run i would never ever think about doing that but i just had enough energy that i could just kind of do that with a big ass sack of newspapers on me and when i look back at that i'm like what happened to that that's crazy i still do work out though like yeah i enjoy beating up my body.

46:01It's because mentally, it's a way for me to get away from everything. And like, I don't know nothing else. You know what I mean? When it comes to, I feel bad as fuck if I don't work out in a week. Yeah. Like, I have to work out. No, yeah. Being older now, for sure. I feel that. And that's what's crazy looking at a lot of my friends who drink lean, drink alcohol, smoke weed all day, every day. and I'm just like, at this point I feel like I gotta sleep at least seven hours a night, I gotta eat good, I gotta work out just to have a good quality of life, just feel good making it through the day. And I got all these friends who are really not doing any of that shit and they seem alright, but I mean, they'd probably be a lot happier if they were really taking care of themselves.

46:51I still go hard. I'm not gonna say I don't go hard, but I still work out hard. Right. Like, I'm in the sun three, four days a week. Stretch lab. IVs. So I still, like, I still treat my body like I'm somewhat in the NFL. Right. I mean, shit, if that's what makes you happy, those IVs, you just do it for no reason? Yeah. I used to do it when I would get really hung over and it was a godsend. You think it helped when you hung over? I do it just, I feel better when I'm hydrated. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But when you're, like, drunk a lot of that is or when you're hung over a lot of that is just being dehydrated yeah you know so you they would stick that needle in my arm and fill me up with water and like half the hangover was just gone instantly which i don't really drink anymore but that shit was amazing back then yeah i love the drip i love i love the ideas definitely so okay you when you first start smoking weed and i would smoking smoking i would say my first year in college okay and did that take a lot away from your ability as a football player or you felt like you were good enough you could manage?

47:57I've smoked before every game I've played. Really? College and the league. Wow. So was there ever a time where you were playing and you were just like wow I'm high as crap? Yes. Denver game. Let me tell you. Or does the adrenaline sort of like carry you? No no no no no. I was way too high so we go to Denver. It's a fucking week before the playoffs and normally i smoke two three joints before the game they had this lean drink uh it wasn't lean it was thc drink that oh we got a night game i'm sitting here and drinking this drink and it didn't kick in yeah to like halfway through the bottom looking around and i could tell this way i ain't gonna say his name but one of my teammates was in there with me we started I said, well, I'm high as a motherfucker.

48:51It's about three hours before we got to get on the bus. Man, I get to the stadium. I had to call back. I was like, man, this goddamn drink, it took me to have time to realize, like, it's not coming down. Like, it's not coming down. But as far as smoking weed, I've always smoked weed before the game. But that time when I drank that TAC drink is the highest I've ever been. And I ain't going to say I played my best game. I ain't played my worst game. What? They all sucked. What? We lost by a field goal, bro. We lost by a field goal. They didn't even score. His wife is saying that all his games sucked when he was high.

49:36No, she's talking about that one game. Oh, okay, okay. And if we win this game, we was going to get a bye for the playoffs, too. Yeah. I was all right. I said it was one of them. I didn't play that bad. I didn't score a touchdown. I didn't give up a touchdown. I did miss a couple tackles. I mean, it must have felt good if your coach wasn't, like, on your ass about your horrible performance. Like, if it was good enough that people couldn't tell, Oh, well, they can tell. Wait, so they knew? Yeah. I mean, your coach knows you so well at that point. What the f*** is wrong with you? I'm like, eh, man.

50:19Ain't nothing wrong with coach. He's like, you sure? But, yeah, I would say that was one of the worst games, man, if I had to pick one. Yeah, like when I think about it, I've been able to do, and I feel terrible saying this, but throughout my 20s and shit, I feel like I probably drove under the effect of almost every drug. But the weed lean was the one where I had to pull over and said, all right, you're driving. Yeah. I'm laying down in the backseat. You are driving. There's no problem. I would rather get towed home right now than continue to drive because I am going to kill someone. Yeah. And that was my first time drinking it, too.

50:58You know, we in Denver. Weed is legal. Everybody's going to the dispensary buying shit just to buy it. trying to take some back to Ohio. And that is the strongest shit that I've ever had. Yeah. Yeah, like, especially back then was the Wild Wild West because you would get a weed cookie. And even if it said how many milligrams it was or whatever, it's number one, probably wrong. And you don't really know because you ain't really felt it out. Now, you know, we get the weed gummies people give it to me, et cetera. I kind of know exactly how much I could take to get to a reasonable level of high slash have smoked so much over the years that it's like I know what I'm dealing with.

51:43But I mean, that the edibles in general, I feel like almost everyone I know has a terrible edible story from early on in their life. Oh, yeah. Them edibles. I don't fuck them edibles. Give me some paper. I mean, some flour. I'm smoking them with flour. Them edibles like and they creep up on you. Yeah. You're like, if I'm smoking a joint, it's like, all right, I'm smoking a whole joint. I feel high. I can understand it. You know, I can pretty much judge. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. You can eat a cookie and you're sitting there and it's just all of a sudden like, oh, shit. And you're already on the second cookie.

52:20Yeah. Then 30 minutes later, you're like, oh, I'm really high now. Yeah. And I don't have nothing against the edibles for the people. Some people take them edibles and can't smoke flour. Yeah. I stopped smoking flour and started doing edibles, and now it kind of feels like smoking is not even a real way to get high because the edibles are just so efficient, and it just gets you there so quickly. And when I think about how much you have to smoke and the process of doing it and stuff, smoking weed is really partly the ritual. I mean, you've been on a lot of shit. Yeah. It's been a while, but yeah.

53:02Tolerance is very high, my boy. But you never got into the real drugs? Nah, nah, nah. Really? Nah. Never snorted coke? Nah. Damn. That's some self-control. I've never been into... I'm already shot the fuck out and wired up. I'm scared of X pills. I've always been like, nah, that ain't for me. That ain't for me. That's good. And maybe because I've seen a lot of people that could have been superstars that came from my hood that was fucking druggish. Yeah. I was like, I ain't going out that way. That is one way I'm not going out. My friend Tyson was the number one player in the country. I stayed right here.

53:42He stayed right there. He had every offer that you can name. He had already signed with Georgia two days before he was supposed to leave. They kick in his dough. He lose his whole scholarship. really I'm like bro he was the idol for us to get out the project you get what I'm saying and just cause he had coke or other drugs in his room he had a lot a lot of coke in there it was like three four bricks in there but he ended up losing the scholarship I think he went to jail he didn't do that much time but like as a youngster that was one of the guys I'm like shit trying to get up out of here like being around here So there's no path for redemption for a dude like that that gets caught up?

54:25Like the colleges just aren't even going to look at him after that? Really? Wow. It's over with. That's crazy. Not like being a rapper. Yeah. There's this streamer who's been blowing up, this guy Clavicular, and he was talking about how he went to college and he only lasted like two weeks because he's on testosterone. He's been on testosterone since he was 14. Damn. Mind-blowing. i just think that's so funny that like he's thinking like a an adult if you have testosterone in your fridge nobody's kicking your door down to find out if you're taking steroids but in college they will they'll run up in your shit and look around they don't need a warrant or whatever and he just like thought that it was all good and he just immediately got caught and kicked out of the college he was just taking them just to take it i think he well i heard him like describe it basically being like you only get to go through puberty once so why go through puberty with your body only creating a normal amount of testosterone when you could go through it taking a superhuman dose of testosterone which sounds wrong to me my assumption is like no this is the time in your life in which your body is naturally producing a shitload of testosterone you need to embrace this you know like even my doctor is like no like you're not getting on testosterone you're only 42 it's too early do it when you're 50 you know which even that i think a lot of doctors are like you're in your 40s it's all right get on it um you never did that not at that point yet you get your testosterone checked uh no my shit is pretty strong girl everything is working pretty good over here yeah i'm still bitching 225 10 times but ding ding it's working i feel pretty good you might be surprised though like i you know at the risk of being graphic i could get it up over and over i can do all right in the gym etc i work out pretty hard but like when i got my test measured at one point they're like yeah it's starting to starting to kind of dip and i was like are you fucking serious and what's a normal liver i think like a thousand is really good or 900 is really good i'm at 1500 what just naturally yeah naturally shit that's pretty good yeah i feel like if you got tested if i get if i take steroids bro i would probably never sleep yeah i already can't sleep yeah that they warned me about that is that if you're gonna do it you should take small amounts throughout the week like every day because if you're like if you're the type of person who just wants to take one shot a week of tests is going to turn you into a fucking maniac the day you do it and then by the end of the week it's going to be tapering off and you're not going to feel like yourself so much this episode is brought to you by redfin you're listening to a podcast which means you're probably multitasking maybe even scrolling home listings on Redfin, saving homes without expecting to get them.

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58:03It's like, oh, this is dipping a little bit. I get my blood work done. Well, if they don't mention the test to you, then you're probably fine. Oh, well, yeah. Yeah. I should probably 15, like I said. Yeah. Nah, for sure. So you're totally done having kids, though? Hell yeah. I need to get my shit clipped. We don't want no more kids. Matter of fact, I'm going to put that on my to-do list when I get back. Get a vasectomy? Hell yeah. She's cool with that? Yeah, she looks very—she's clapping. Hell yeah. I want to go back through the kid thing. And, like, my one daughter was born at 23 weeks, and that was, like, the worst thing for us to go through.

58:46Like, it was, now that was bothering, you know, going to have to go into the NICU every day. She was down there living there. Then you see other kids that don't make it with the priest coming in. Like, that was, I'm blessed to have all of my kids healthy. And, like, I couldn't go through that again. Wow, that's terrible. Holy shit. But everything worked out? Everything is good with her now. Wow. How long were you stressing it, like having to be in the hospital all the time? Bro, she was in the hospital six months. How many months she was in the hospital? Four months. Wow. Every day. I'm like, bro, you're going to go crazy if you keep taking your ass up here, bro.

59:29Yeah. I'm like, sleeping there. You think about that every time you look at her? Like, you survived this thing. She can't do no wrong. You weren't supposed to be here. She is the miracle baby. Wow. And she's how old now? She's 15. Wow, that's crazy. Yeah. Congratulations. Just making it through that sounds gnarly, man. It was crazy. Wow. So how long you been with your wife? Too long. I met her when I was 21. Right. Yeah. So 20 years we've been together.

1:00:04Yeah, it's a long time. I mean, that must be wild for her to have weathered the beginning part of your career. and now she held strong and is able to deal with the, I assume, more chilled out version of you. Oh, yeah. But that's what it's about. How do I want something that I don't know how she's going to react when I'm going through tough times? You know what I mean?

1:00:34That's what you don't want. Everybody can love somebody when things are going good. but when you take her through a little bit of the fire or go through some things I think that build a bun like inseparable you hear that why you stand with her if you ain't happy mother fucker I don't have no choice I don't trust no mother fucker body else she had been there through the thick and thin what are we talking about that's real and I love it and it's my best friend man and it's like you know you got famous with her and you just i was famous for her all right different level but but i'm just saying like it's it's once i feel like once you get famous like it's wise to hold on to the relationships that you had before that because how can you trust anybody after that well when she first met me she thought i was a dope boy right i i thought that during this interview for a moment when i said the texaco thing that's kind of what i was referring to.

1:01:38I've just been an international hustler for my whole life. But I come from that kind of background, but that's never been my forte. You know what I mean? Like, gambling? Yeah. Doing a couple more other things? Yeah. As far as trying to sell some shit, back up some shit, that wasn't like... that never really like inspired me. You get what I'm saying? So how do you feel when you look at somebody like John Morant, who has all the opportunities in the world in front of him as a professional athlete, but clearly is very intrigued by that gangster shit to the point where at times it's almost felt like, wow, you're going to fuck up your pro career just trying to be on some tough shit.

1:02:29I don't really think he's on no tough shit. It seems like he chilled out a bit, but he had a bad couple of months there. Yeah, but it ain't like he out fucking fighting. No, he out partying. But he's in the club showing his gun and shit. That's not good. Oh, I didn't see that part. Oh, yeah, that was a wild one. Yeah, that's... I was like, you can't be in the NBA doing that. I've been there and done that shit, though. Right. And at the time, I think he'll figure it out. But...

1:02:58That shit ain't what they make it to be. You know what I mean? And 90 % of the real ones that's doing it will cut off their arm and leg to do what we get to do. Exactly. That's why I like your mentality because you actually saw that for what it was and appreciated the gift that you had and actually took advantage of it. Yeah, I was on bullshit, though. At one point in time, I was on bullshit. I would have my pistol out. Would go with my pistol everywhere. party every night but i didn't forget football and he's still playing good basketball but like it take time like i don't know his his situation and like how he grew up obviously it wasn't the way that i grew up you know i mean but i just i think certain should take time i do like that too though or not even him necessarily but guys who fall into that i kind of get it because it's like you know if rap music is like the primary art form that you've been consuming your entire life and so much of the most popular rap music is basically about gangster shit and like meanwhile other ways of making it in life are just not really like celebrated in the culture in the same way it's kind of like easy to understand how dudes end up fetishizing this gangster shit so much i don't understand if you ain't grow up in that shit i don't understand like i i didn't have a choice.

1:04:20You get what I'm saying? Like all the private school, I use my son for example. These motherfucking hustable babies that want to then start going, acting like that, like I don't respect it. But like if you come from that, like it's going to take some time regardless of what anybody say and some guidance and some big brothers and all that shit that like mentally get you to see what the bigger picture is. But I don't understand when you stand in a 30 ,000 square feet house since you've been growing up and then when you get to the league, then you want to be a gangster. That's kind of ass-backwards to me.

1:05:08So out of Atlanta, we've seen a lot of people having this whole the streets are dead conversation and then dudes getting shitloads the blowback for saying that kind of thing. But it does stand out to me that this is like the first time in rap history, honestly, that I could think of that like big rappers who made their name off street content are really kind of, even if they're sort of walking it back a little bit after they say it and shit, but are really kind of putting this idea out there of like, maybe as a culture, we shouldn't be pushing this type of shit the same way. The motherfuckers who were saying something, they ain't been fighting for their life, though.

1:05:48That's the biggest difference. Like, anybody can sit right here and say, oh, Screech, you do do do. Like, once you've been through so much shit, it's the point where you're like, man, fuck this shit. You get what I'm saying? And some of them are going to be like, well, the reason you made it to where you are is because the Screech supported you. I don't agree with that shit either, though. because you made it because of where you're at because of the talent that you got. Now, you might be talking about some of the shit that you went through, but if that's the case, everybody can do it. Right. I mean, it stands out to me that, like, the streets are dead is, like, a vague enough statement that people are able to kind of read whatever they want into it.

1:06:29Like, if the streets are dead means, like, hey, we need to stop killing each other. We need to stop beefing with this neighborhood. We need to try to, like, find ways to get over this shit for sure 100 % if the streets are dead means yo it's all good we can just snitch on each other I mean that seems like a bullshit interpretation I don't think it I don't think they're saying it like that I think they're saying like hey bro it's something bigger than us killing each other it's something bigger than us drinking lean all day and doing this or or selling dope or or fentanyl or whatever it is. Like, that shit is dead.

1:07:07Like, Trump just told you, motherfuckers, this is finna be a, you're goin' to fuckin' jail if you get caught with this shit. Like, so, to that extent, yeah, like, but I don't think they were saying it in the contents of snitching. I don't think that's what they meant about it. Yeah, I mean. And I know Thug, I know Luchi, I know Savage. pretty good. Right. Like, really good. Yeah. Like, damn good. Right. Like this. Like, actual human beings. Yes, like, been to my house. I've been to they house. You know what I mean? So, I don't think they were saying it like that, though. But, you know, everybody going to take it and flip it to make it do whatever they want it to do.

1:07:56But it's wild because, I mean, Thug and Lucci putting their beef aside is huge. Yeah. Like that is so gigantic for Atlanta and like rap music in general, because that kind of sets the example for other people going forward. They're like, just because blood has been shed doesn't mean that we can't get past this, but you see how much shit that they're taken from that by people who really kind of want to uphold that idea. Folks can say all that shit. Lucha and Thud is making bankrolls right now. Lucha is booked out damn near to next year. Like, that it's the internet bro the internet is undefeated the internet is undefeated but like they were they they make away more money than entertaining the same up that's not paying no money and the fact that they're both not doing 20 years or whatever i feel like they both wake up every day thankful as that they were able to get away with as you know less of a you know punishment as possible and i think they realize like if we keep this shit going like this shit is just going to keep happening the city has their fucking eye on us like we're just not gonna be able to live life as ops so we might as well get past it at some point you know yeah yeah i agree with exactly what you said like of course they got the eye on them like at a certain point you know i mean we ain't got to be buddy buddy but like this shit gotta stop yeah and um that's what i think about the whole streets dead shit no definitely um and now you know it's kind of interesting about atlanta because a bunch of the the music that's kind of coming out and stuff it kind of feels like maybe atlanta's like entering into a little bit of a different era musically like i feel like i'm seeing like with that Metro album, kind of like...

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1:10:21an embrace of like a more positive energetic sound because there has been a lot of doom and gloom coming out of the city over the last however many years just because of the fact that so many of the biggest rappers have been caught up in crazy ass ricos and shit like that and so when i see metro put out an album like that and i see playboy cardi embracing schooley and you know kind of paying reverence to a different era, I'm kind of like, okay, this kind of feels like a turning point, maybe for the culture as a whole. I think that music is always going to be there. I mean, like, it's always going to be.

1:11:02Everybody in the world loves NBA Youngboy right now. NBA Youngboy ain't talking about never goddamn spraying the motherfuckers up. So, like, I think it's always going to be a lane for that. Speaking of Metro, Metro can, he is by far one of the most talented motherfuckers that I've ever seen in the studio. He can make anything, bro. Metro can put out a gospel album right now. It's going to be fire. Yeah. But I think that music, as far as the culture, is in Atlanta, that trap, violent, whatever you want to, we call it trap music. that lane is always going to be there I think I don't think I don't think that lane is going to never leave Atlanta when it comes to that yeah there's probably always going to be a place for it but you know I feel like balance is a good thing I feel like the older hip hop gets it's harder and harder for people to like just stick to that one mentality it's just it's too destructive They want to hear Can You Really Rap Now.

1:12:13Yeah, well, okay. How do you feel when you hear people saying that hip-hop's at kind of like an all-time low commercially and that maybe it's just not going to ever get to the point that it's been for however many years, 10, 20 years, it was like the default, like that is the most popular form of music, and now it feels like, oh, shit, like maybe hip-hop's going to be kind of taking a backseat to other forms of music at this point. I think hip-hop's still always going to be number one. But the Rod Waves and the Jelly Rolls have changed a lot of magnitudes of the radio, I shall say. You know what I mean?

1:12:52It's a lot of good artists that's putting out a lot of good songs that you want to hear. And it's a time and a place for NBA Youngboy, but some of them songs you want to hear. But also he has a lot of the elements of somebody like Rod Wave where the melodies and the creativity and it's just not like paint by numbers drill, which I feel like that is what the culture is sick of. It's just generic, basic ass hip hop that doesn't say anything interesting. I've never been into the one that's like that, though. Yeah. Like, I like the I like that that way more than just like. Right. Right. Yeah. It is changing, though.

1:13:38I would agree with you on this, and it is changing. Because, okay, you're putting out a hip-hop single called Drop It Like a Tailgate? Drop It At The Tail, Drop It Like a Tailgate. Yeah, it's a country music song that me and Jimmy Allen did, which it come out January the 20th. Yeah. It's just different genre. Like, it's got that snap twang to it. But I'll put a little snippet for you. Oh, shit. But, yeah. You're about to rap on that or are you singing? Yeah, I'm about to rap on that. Oh, okay, okay. I kept this kind of cookie cake. Well, I shouldn't say cookie cake. I kept it, what's the word?

1:14:27You know what I mean? Pull a little tailgate. Something different. That was dope, yeah. That was dope. That was hard. Did you have a lot of exposure to country growing up? No, I didn't. But then I bought this land in Tennessee, and my next-door neighbor was Joyce Jones. Oh, wow. Yeah. And that changed my whole outlook on country music. So, what, you just started hanging out around him, and he was playing it? Yeah. Nice. One of my closest friends is Jelly Roll. We went to college together. Really? Oh, you've known him that long? Wow, that's crazy. Yeah. that's gotta be super true on my couch but yeah like yellow rose like this like wow that's crazy yes because i i was watching him as a fan watching him as like a little white tomie and you know rapping rapping about pills and all this crazy shit and then to see what has happened to his career where he's like headlining fucking music festivals and shit i'm like what the i've been trying to interview him before like i never actually managed to get it in but i was trying to interview him before the whole country thing blew up bro he's always been musically like insane.

1:15:33At first he was rapping but he could sing his ass off. And when we left college, we both went to Nashville. After he got out, he was like, man, I'm finna do country music. And one thing led to another and shoo. But I can tell him it's a guy. Unbelievable heart, man. One of the greatest persons in the world. like before that too before all the fame and all that shit like he we could be at school he's going to the store he might got ten dollars but he gonna be if he buy him something to drink he buy me something to drink so we was we was like this like that's my boy he's a good dude too man yeah no he seems like he got it for sure um but so are you actually like driving around listening to the country at this point or is it more just when you're in the proper setting um I have my artists that I like Jelly is definitely one of them.

1:16:35Ed Sheeran is one of them. You know what that makes you if you like Ed Sheeran? Huh? You're a Sheerio. I'll be that. I asked ChatGBT, what do you call a hardcore Ed Sheeran fan? They said you're a Sheerio. I'll be that. I love his music. Did you see this thing he did on Netflix? No, I didn't. You are going to watch this? You have to watch this. It is one of the craziest things you'll ever see. It's like him walking through New York. It's a huge production. He's like playing all these songs, like a live concert as he's walking through New York city. And he like is just stopping and doing all these different performances is one of the most impressive things I've ever seen.

1:17:13He's telling it, bro. It'll blow your mind. I really didn't like even care that much about him. And then I just saw this and I was like, wow, I'm like a huge fan now, bro. He got some songs. Yeah. And I'm weird like that though. Cause I can, I'm diverse, I shall say. With my group of friends that I have around. A lot of them are white. You said I have 60 good friends and 10 of them are. And I was like, wow, that's actually a crazy ratio. Is it white people specifically or are you like Mexican homies? Asian? I got some Mexican homies, but But my group or core friends that's like, not saying that I don't have no black friends, but are predominantly white.

1:18:11And all genres, like, and they're crazy as hell. But you think football kind of like opened you up to that? West Virginia did. Okay. West Virginia opened me up to be a little bit more diversified because growing up in Atlanta, like, I only had one white kid in my school. And when I got to West Virginia, it was like, all right, now you only the black kid here. So, kind of helped me. It taught me to diversify myself. You know what I mean? Wow, that right there, though, that's got to be, that's like the ultimate experience to, like, show you life from both sides. Yes. That's crazy. It show you that color don't matter.

1:18:54Yeah. Wow. How was that white kid doing, though? He's doing good. Did he have a smooth existence out there, or was he dealing with a lot of shit? No, he was actually Josh. He's a wheelchair. He's a smaller guy. He's only, like, this big. But, like, that was our guy. Right. He was our team water boy, but couldn't give us the water. But, like, he went to the national championship with us. And he was our guy. like bend over backwards for him too bro like that was not bend over backwards I shouldn't say that on here but like pause Adam pause but yeah nah for sure why did you end up taking those fights for Barstool like what was going on in your life that you decided that you were down to do that shit bro I love to fight still to the day I love fighting and I'm like, if I'm going to fight somebody, at least I'm going to fight somebody that can really fucking fight.

1:20:00And the kids lights out. I had Washington. I'm like, he's a big fucker. I don't know if I should do this. But you didn't have any particular animosity against this guy? Nah. Just a big, bald, white dude? I actually talked to him before the fight. Let's go. The first time I was prepared, like I trained. didn't have sex before the fight for how long I think I lasted two weeks before the fight but the second fight I had sex with her the day before the fight you didn't have to do it it did bro it fucked my legs up the first time I got hit my shit went wobbly I'm like holy shit and that's about if I could change anything and I was going to ask you this when I get a second with you.

1:20:54If you don't listen to anything else, I tell you to not get no ass to wake up the fight. I'm sold. Okay. Because my coach told me that too. Bro. And I'm like, I asked Chad GBT, I'm like, is this true that your testosterone increases by not coming? And it's like, no, it's not true. But I think like psychologically, it could get you there. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not psychologically. I'm telling you, it's a big difference. Like, it ain't playing football. When you're boxing, I did it the second fight. I should have won the – I thought I won the first fight. Like, I was pretty good.

1:21:33The second fight, I had second fight. And, like, he didn't really hit me. But when he hit me, like, I couldn't – like, my legs was heavy. Like, I'm telling you, it's a big difference. It's a big difference. What made you not want to pursue that further? It's not that I didn't want to pursue it. I'm still in the gym right now. I've had a couple calls come. It just got to be right. I like talking shit. I love fighting. And if it's on the right platform or done the right way, I'll sign up in a heartbeat. I feel like you have enough money that them— You do too. So why the fuck are you fighting? More money, number one.

1:22:16but also you know wanted to challenge myself there we go definitely okay I you're not I ain't gonna say you're fighting for more money that I believe that you're getting paid a good ticket but I don't think whatever you're making and pretty good with numbers is a it's not life changing financial change or anything you get what I'm saying it's cool but it's not not gonna change my year right that's what I'm saying so yeah see okay the problem with me is that i took the fight on two or three weeks notice and honestly when i said yes i wasn't really like tripping about winning or whatever i was just like bro this is gonna be crazy like i gotta do it this is gonna be funny as it'll be viral the money is good whatever and now that i'm actually training boxing and actually like really doing all the cardio and everything now i actually really care and kind of makes that shit is work it makes me wish that i had had like a reasonable amount of time to prepare but also it's just like now after this i feel like i want to keep going with it even though i'm 42 realistically yeah boxing training is way different than any other training yeah like it is and like you gotta really dedicate yourself to to put in the work because it's not easy definitely not easy like that first time I remember the first time I sparred, and we was only doing like two-minute rounds.

1:23:45Bro, I couldn't even breathe after two minutes. And I had been running like miles and miles and miles. And you're an elite athlete. So, yeah, thank you. That makes me feel a little bit better about my experience sparring this morning. Okay. Yeah, your first time sparring. Yeah. Because that's different than just hitting the bag. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. You're getting hit. You're punching. You're moving. You got to control your breathing. And the most thing is, like, what was hard for me was staying, like, calm. Like, calm down. This is, like, it's different than me going in a street fight.

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1:25:06It's like the street fighting thing really doesn't seem like it's prepared me in any way. No, it's not. It's not. That jab is what's going to keep you good. The jab, when you can catch him, you can catch him. But R.P. Coach Mike, man, he taught me a lot when I was with him training. But, yes, it's a big difference. It's a big difference. There's so many fights that I've watched, like influencer-type fights, celebrity fights or whatever, where I've been thinking like, yo, this is so pathetic when I'm watching them gas out and shit. I don't think I'll – I will never be able to be judgmental like that again because that is one of the hardest things you could possibly do.

1:25:47Man, I was on the same hand. Like, what you saying? Yeah, you're watching and you're laughing at these dudes. I took my ass. I'm like, all right, first day sparring. And I'm like, all right, dude, what's going on here? I need 20 more seconds. But like, then it, it, it, it like, damn, this shit is really for real. Like I'm laughing at buddy over there, but this shit harder than what it looked like. Yeah. Now I just have infinite respect, even for the, the shitty celebrity boxing type events or whatever. I'm just like, bro, anybody who's willing to get in there and fight for nine minutes is super impressive to me.

1:26:25Yeah. So, okay. Uh, just to rewind to like, when you realized your career was kind of coming to a close, what was that? Was that a personal decision or did it just become super obvious to you that you were kind of past your prime physically? Or what made you decide to quit? I don't even think I was past my prime. I actually went to Denver and started to play really good. But they wanted me to coach, really coach the younger guys. And mentally I wasn't in a place to coach. like I still had some in the tank. And I was like, you know, I've had a good run. I'm quitting on my time. But I don't want to be sitting here just playing third down and punt return when the guy that's in front of me, yeah, he's younger, but he's some shit, I shall say.

1:27:23And, like, mentally I just couldn't do it. I came home, like, week, what, five, six. I'm like, bro, I'm done with this shit. I'm done. I can't take it no more. And I went in there and told Vijay, I'm like, look, man, I'm thankful for you bringing me to Denver. Mentally, I ain't into it no more because I don't know how to do what y 'all want me to do. I'm still in fight or flight mode. So if I'm not going to get to go and play the amount of plays that I want to play, I'm going to hang it up. Because you had a long career, but then also you're pretty young when you retire. Did you already have a plan in place of this is what I want to accomplish, or were you more like, I'm going to just see how it goes?

1:28:07After I went through my little suspension when I was script clubbing, I was just at the point like, all right, I got the laugh at this. I've done pretty good. I've accomplished pretty much everything except going to the Super Bowl. And I still felt good. I'm healthy and my neck ain't banged up. So mentally I was content with what I had did with the body of work that I wasn't really pressed about it no more. Did you start going through it mentally after the fact, though? Because I feel like I've just known so many people who are like really elite athletes and then once they don't have something that they're constantly focused on and training for that life just doesn't seem as exciting.

1:28:53and I've seen that end tragically for some of the BMX dudes over the years? Well, nah. Because I was always involved in certain little things like wrestling. I was the first one to do the TNA wrestling. Projects, real estate, restaurants. I had a lot of shit that I was already doing before I retired, but my main thing was shit. I wanted to spend time with my kids. Like I was telling you about my daughter, what all she went through when she was an infant. So mentally, no, I was kind of content. And went and did. I'm athlete with B for a little while to talk shit about different things. but um nah I was I was pretty I was pretty like I said content it wasn't I had no itch like that's when I knew I was like oh yeah yeah I'm done with it some dudes that's like all they have mentally is like just focusing on being the best at this thing and then when it goes away it's just hard for them to kind of adapt to that but I got some friends that's been through that

1:30:22But I've always, I'm different, man. I'm wired up a little different. I don't know how to explain it, but, and some people love that thrill of coming out the tunnel, which I loved it more than anything. But I've always been able to figure out some way to challenge my energy and some less. You know what I mean? to try not to get to a point where I'm depressed because I'm not playing football. Now I will say I did miss the locker room a little bit as far as communicating with the boys, talking about different shit. You're just used to having this social network that's kind of separate from your regular world and it's constantly kind of exciting and changing and you're working together.

1:31:13And yeah, that's gotta be weird saying bye to that. But I was one of the guys that put everybody in text messaging like, What are y 'all doing today, bro? So you're still, like, coaching even though you're not part of it? That's funny. Yeah. That's dope. So, okay, what made you want to pivot into the podcasting thing or doing content? This one right here. She's like, you should go and start a podcast. I'm like, I don't want to do no podcast. She's like, I had a dream that you were going to be one of the biggest ones. Really? I'm like, all right, whatever. So I went and did a couple podcasts the year I retired, like interviews and shit.

1:31:46And then it was just something about when me and B got together, Brandon got together. I was like, maybe you're right. Maybe you're right. So I started Ironman Athlete with Brandon. We built something that was special. We was number one part during the time where right after COVID. it and then um you know everybody went their separate ways and then i started my minds uh politely raw um well actually i'm i'm going to pass i went over with mcgfee pat mcgfee shout out to the boys over there pat mcgfee um did it with pat for a couple years and And then I was just like, I got to get my own lane. And I think I learned a lot from Pat as far as the business side of doing the pod.

1:32:49And my approach, and I came out with Politely Raw, which I talk my shit my way. You know what I mean? And it's been good, though. I enjoy breaking down games, talking shit, hot topics. You know what I mean?

1:33:10who's going to bleed first between y 'all and the fight? Will the fight go the whole way? Does doing sports content, does it feel like this is a market that is just unbelievably flooded where it's hard to stand out or does it feel like you have a hardcore fan base that's really appreciative of it? I think I have a very good fan base, which is very diverse. Right. You know what I mean? I got a Hood fan base. Then I got an athlete fan base with one I'm Athlete. And then Pat McAfee has his own internet people, so I got some of those from that fan base. Burt is a different fan base. Tom is a different fan base.

1:33:56Like me being in all these different genres of people and friends that I have, I think, have helped my fan base as far as the show. For sure. What do you dislike about podcasting? Is there any parts of it that you find annoying? Not with what I do. No, I enjoy it. Yeah, because talking about sports has got to be so second nature to you. I don't only talk about sports. I talk about everything. But my main thing is sports, though. So I'm definitely going to talk about your fight with Jason Love. I look forward to the review, yeah. And I talk about everything, though. Like a little bit politics. I kind of stay away from certain things.

1:34:44But I talk about certain things that I feel a passion about, if it's wrong or right. Definitely. Yeah, okay. Okay, so besides that, you got any big moves that you're planning on making? Is there anything that really stands out to you that you want to accomplish before you reach unk status? You feel like you're at unk status? 42? Hell no. We ain't at unk yet. Yeah. We still got sweat. I think that 50 is unk. Yeah, yeah. 50 is a thing for sure. I mean, 40 was scary as fuck before I hit it, and now I'm used to it. But 50 is. 50 is poop. I'm really enjoying doing these movies right now. I would say getting the main role in one of these nice movies or with 50 or something in one of these sitcoms would probably be something I want to get off my bucket list.

1:35:50You know what I mean? But I enjoy talking shit. I think that my show in the next three years will be one of the biggest as far as sports talk. I got a good group of people around me. Shout out my boy Drew Butler, Antonio Walker, who I miss, Big Shlay. I got a good little group around me that we do a pretty good job of talking about sports, but not like the regular way. Everybody else talking about sports. So the country music thing, that's more of like a side hobby. What if that takes off? Are you ready to be like Jelly Roll? You're going to be on the road all the time? Yeah. And I got some more songs that I got coming out too, but I love...

1:36:46making music. It's not a hobby, but it only take one song. I probably got a hundred songs, but it take one to blow up. I'm actually working on something right now with Pat McAfee. He's putting... I can break his shit. Pat McAfee is putting out a country album, too. Wow. I enjoy doing the music. It's a way for me to express myself in a different way besides behind the mic. 100%. yeah man thank you for coming through it was awesome to have a conversation for sure yes sir yeah Pac-Man Adam appreciate you dog Adam Adam on Adam violence yes sir here we go Pac-Man Jones appreciate you Doug no jumper coolest podcast in the world check us out on YouTube TikTok etc like comment and subscribe and we will be back real real soon smell me Monster Energy everybody knows White Monster Zero Ultra.

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