Red Dawg on Being a White Piru from Texas, Prison Time, Charleston White Beef & More

26:32Let's get right on into that because I'm going to tell you all about that. I get there, and I'm looking at everything happening in front of me. I'm just kind of watching everything and everybody. White boys are really dealing with me. They're getting to know me. I was a big dude still. You know, I wasn't – and they could tell I wasn't weak in no way. I was just kind of lost in the situation. So they're coming at me back to back. And, you know, we're going at it, you know, just talking about, you know, you got to be this, you got to stay stiff. And it's a lot of youngsters that are trying to give us game.

27:01But the more I sat around them and talked to them, all I was hearing was the N word, the N word. We're whispering that to each other, you know? And I'm like, man, I ain't with this, man. So one day I said something about it. I'm like, man, why the fuck every time we come together the first thing you say is this and that? Why don't you say that out front? Let's just stand up. If you're gonna be that way, why don't you just announce it to the world? and um anyway kind of they kind of turned on me a little bit but at that time i'd already made my decision like i'm not going to be around this this foolery you know what i mean so i went in there and make a long story short i already had partners that were there like i told you some of both sides again i say partners at the time they were crips and i was but we wasn't partners but we we knew of each other let's put it like that we were homeboys what i say when i mean a homeboy somebody you grew up with in your hometown.

27:56And when I went on down to TDC, I decided right then and there, I was like, look, I came out the next day to the day room, and I remember I was on there with a couple of Crips from Fort Worth that I remember very clearly being with me on that unit. And I said, man, look, one of them was named Crip T, one of them named Caleb. I said, shit, we're going to do what we got to do. And I ain't turning back. And at that point, me and them fell out. You know, we kind of went at it, but that's how the journey began. I didn't look back. At that time, even though you were a Piru on the streets, you weren't really 100 % sure who you were going to end up rolling with in there?

28:35Well, you don't know because when they talk about you're going to, you know, what I'm saying is when you're 17, you ain't really, you're young, man. You don't know what's going to happen. And if anybody sits here in front of you, this camera, and ever tells you that they weren't nervous to go to prison, fool. Right. They're nervous, man. you don't know what these are full grown gorillas yeah and you're a little you're a chimpanzee at the time right you know what i'm saying so it wasn't it wasn't you you you wasn't it was it was at that time it was kill or be killed you understand and and i wasn't gonna i didn't want to die right even though i already believed in my mind that it wasn't gonna be much longer anyway i was i was a crow i was approaching 21 while i was in prison so i figured any day now so did you just tell these white dudes like hey i don't with y 'all like if you got a problem the thing is they already kind of felt the energy right because i'm not the same you know i don't talk the same i don't walk the same i don't care myself the same and i never was racist so right then and then not don't get me wrong every white boy in prison ain't racist okay but the majority are and it's because it's a white thing when they become together they say things together as their people that's my you You know, and I just, again, I just, I couldn't understand it.

29:47I just, I wasn't on that, I wasn't on that type of time. Right. You know, because my dad didn't raise me like that. You know, when you watch John Wayne movies, they wouldn't use an N word. I don't know what that word, I didn't know that was, I was confused. At that time, would you say that the whites were like sort of on the same level as the blacks and Hispanics in terms of like credibility? because a lot of times when I talk to people about prison, they say that the white faction is pretty pathetic.

30:16If you want to be 100 % honest, that's the truth, man. That is true. No, not in Cali. I've never been to Cali. We ain't speaking on Cali. We're speaking on Texas. Cali, they say that too, for sure. Well, in Texas print entry system, the white boy is the weak link. Now, wait a minute. There's some gangsters in there too. And when I say gangsters, I mean they can be – because you're racist don't mean you ain't no gangster. Let's put that out there. You can be a racist gangster, man. I'm saying TDC, the racism was so intense that you could feel it on your body. I don't know how to explain it, but I couldn't fall weak like that.

30:54You know, I had too many friends at that time that I come from, you know, whether we was rivals or whether we was partners in the streets or whatever, they were all black. I didn't understand racism. and then once I realized whoa this dude is racist and he really means it it just went in you know I went a whole other direction I couldn't walk that walk and I told my uncle he was Texas mafia Roy Mayo he's like you can't do that I said I'm gonna do that I said I'd rather die in this penitentiary than not I'd rather die right here than be racist and that's how real it is with me man that's hard I like it.

31:35And I just ain't going to roll like that. So did it become immediately a situation where all these white dudes really want to hurt you? No, they didn't want to f*** with me. Oh, okay. See, I could fight. To this day, I can fight. I'm 50 and can still fight. Now I'm old now and I don't want to fight. But no, I was fighting already. Now I wasn't A1 with my boxing game at that time, but they knew. Again, them white boys wasn't AZ. You know what I mean? They wasn't even in the top five. You know, in the penitentiary system, the black man's got them hands, man. The Mexican's got them shanks. And them white boys got that kite.

32:13They're going to kite themselves out of there. Oh, so they'll just leave. They're going to get up out of there. Yeah, I've been in many positions like that. But, you know, like, again, I just decided. I don't know. It was kind of weird because one day I was nervous, and then the next day I just didn't give a f***. You know, and then I walked out into that day room, and I'm checked. Oh, yeah, yeah, you know, you're getting it in. and I was okay because I had heart. So my fighting was okay because I never took my tail or my head. I went straight up, straight in. And one day this OG walked up to me, Vincent Webb.

32:46He's like, man, you got heart. He said, I want to tell you, he was a five-star general in the UBN, United Blood Nation. He said, let me holler at you. He said, let me show you some things. And I ran across Tyrone Cotton. And, you know, they kind of, you know, felt my situation. And kind of they taught me how to fight from then. I mean, it was just a course, again, teaching me how to fight is teaching me how to perfect fighting. So we're hitting pads every day. All I'm doing is hitting pads for hours and hours straight. I had them in the white boys. After you stand in the back of a dorm or a cell and they hear you all day long, you're hitting them pads.

33:24They knew that boy's getting himself together. and I didn't have a lot of problems in white boys. Now the Aryan Brotherhoods, I met them and they really just kinda, I really never, I guess they didn't even want me. I guess I was just one of them they didn't even want anyway. After the situation kicked off, he's a traitor. That's how they consider you. But I wasn't, I love my people. I wanna say that I'm white pride to the day I die, but I'm never white power. there's two there's a difference in prison systems white pride is to proud to be who you are and it took me a long time to be proud of me you know what i mean because i ain't uh i didn't white folks at all in no type of way and when they you know when when the brothers in my hood was the things would happen and racism would occur as far as on tv it affected me and i couldn't believe how my people would do that.

34:25So I kind of backed away from them. And when I got to prison, how they treated me, how they spit on me and threw feces on me. You know what I mean?

34:35I just kind of changed, man. And it took me a long time to even deal with white people again. And now to this day, I got two white friends. You know, Sam, he's a great friend. And Jay, that's my two white friends. and I don't have no other white friends. I mean, I will accept more white friends if I had the friend request. I'm working on being friend number three. I feel like if this interview goes well, I might have a spot. Wait, but when you say they were throwing feces on you and shit, is that a reflection of what happened once you got to prison? Because we're talking about jail, the county jail before that?

35:13Right, right. Here's what happened. So I went from Telford unit to Clements and that's in Brazoria County. And as soon as you hop off the bus, again you got a travel card you carry everywhere you go you don't but the guard carries for you as soon as i got there he was like oh wow and i already knew what they was reading white and in prison they don't specify pyru blood or nothing blood and crip that's all that's on there white blood and they could tell i was a battler though they could already tell because most time i went my eyes were black or jaw was cracked you know what i'm saying like i'm getting it in this This wasn't no movie scene.

35:50This was the truth. And I didn't hold back. Now I'm real humble about everything and respectful, and I try to guide kids in the right way and tell the children the right thing. But back then I was zero tolerance on, I didn't even understand the literature of the past history of the Crips and the Bloods. I would just own your ass because you wore blue. And back then that's kind of how it was. and we were in the county and in the penitentiary system kind of doing the same thing. You know, I didn't really get a lot of knowledge until somebody sat me down and explained things to me because I wanted to know.

36:27Right. You know, but Clements Unit was very racist, very, very racist. The guard told me, he said, yeah, boy, boy. And again, I ain't got, you know, a lot of people get that, they say that, I bring comments that boy's a slave word, right? Well, maybe it is to the black community, and I never say, I don't call black men boys anyway, but when they refer to me as a white boy, that don't affect me. I don't care about that, man, because what you're doing and what I'm doing is two different things, and you'll never accept it anyway. I knew already that people ain't going to accept it. I've walked 50 years and still ain't been accepted.

37:00Only where I'm accepted and respected is in Eastwood, Texas. You know what I'm saying? And even there, I still have to, from time to time with the youngsters, battle with my reputation or who I am because don't nobody care about that. Don't nobody care how many you could have had bodies laying everywhere then. And now today you ain't, you don't come out guerrilla style. They don't care. You ain't carrying a pistol and trying to kill somebody. You ain't nobody no more. You know, onk, you know, like I tell them, I'm not your uncle. I'm more of a figure in your life like your father or your OG. Right.

37:38Not your uncle. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of indicative of the degree of privilege that you have as a white person that none of the anti-white slurs carry any weight. You could call me a cracker all day. I don't give a fuck. I laugh at that shit, man. It sounds good. But meanwhile, the N-word, you say it in the right way to a black person, it delivers an immense amount of hurt. It's funny, man. You know, I never told this story. I'm going to go and put it on that all the way out there, man. Well, my partner used to always tell me, man, man, you real, man. You can say that word, man. And I'm like, no, no, they were serious.

38:12They were genuine. They were serious, man. And I thought, well, I could say that word. Well, I went in the restroom and I kicked on the lights and I shot one out. I looked at myself and I felt stupid the whole time. Well, I turned the lights off, turned around. I said, well, let me try it again. I turned around and hit it again. Right then I knew, no, man, this don't even make no sense, man. It sounds stupid. It sounds stupid for me to even do that. And then the further I got along, it got more of a respect thing because, again, I didn't know racism at that time, but when I realized how serious racism was, then it really sensitive my heart in a lot of situations to the point where I don't feel like that word is acceptable by no race but the black race.

38:57And I realized when, you know, we say it, because it's a word they use now as a band-aid. I'm going to say that word's a band-aid. You understand? And they use that word, and the people are using this, wow, blah, blah, and here it is. To me, you know, it just, it's not healthy. It just don't feel good. And then all my people are black, and every time somebody says it, it affects me because I'm like, you know, you got to figure out, are you using that in the, you know, you're saying it fly, but are you really, I don't know, man. It's just Mexicans in the Texas and white boys in Texas, they're in the streets or in that type of lifestyle.

39:38They use that word recklessly. And I think, me personally, that it should be. I mean, you know, what upsets me about it, though, is you'll let this one white boy, right, say it because he's so fly. But then you'll let this square white boy that wants to be fly, you say it and you want to kill him, right? Let's just not say it. Let's just not pick and choose who we give that word to. You're never fly enough to use that word, in my opinion. you know you don't have to use that to be accepted matter of fact if you said that around like say for instance if I went to one of my partners house and we're going back and forth and his grandpa's sitting there and I'm just throwing it out you would think grandpa was going to say that was the example I was going to use is that if you feel comfortable like anything I say I want to feel comfortable saying it around anybody and like in the past somebody like Brick Baby who free his ass but He told me, because I think I was quoting a song to him or something, and I said blah, blah, blah, N-word when I'm quoting the song.

40:40And he goes, you know we're really friends. You can say it. I don't give a f***. And I'm like, eh. It just doesn't feel right coming out of my mouth because I wouldn't say it around your grandma. Right. Well, see, that's genuine. I want to say that about you then. See, that's the type that I, that's genuine, brother. Yeah. If you, you know, when you get around your wife and you start, or whoever out there, they start doing, and you're blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I grew up like this, if you're gonna do something, be solid, man. I used to say that to them white boys when we were sitting at that table.

41:08I said, man, what's the problem with you and this man? We'll get on out there and address that. Address it man to man, face to face, and let's see how it unfolds. You know, if you're gonna be something, you have to follow it all the way. You can't 50 % it or 60 % it. You have to put 100, and in my position, 150 % on it. You know what I mean? Because I wasn't gonna be the weak link just because I had pale skin. I couldn't fall weak like that because I already knew what I was outnumbered. I knew that the black folks didn't want to accept me because I'm a white boy. That's the first thing they look on this camera right now when they look, oh, he's white man.

41:41He ain't nobody. You know, they don't, that white in me, they feel is weak. So if you don't let them know immediately it ain't that type of party, then you will forever be ran over and took an advantage of. See, there's other white boys that's coming up in the same situation. I'm hearing them say that they was in Texas prison systems and they was Piru or blood. And you're telling a lie, man. Telling a lie. You're doing that shit for popularity, for views. I did that shit because that was my real life. You understand? I'm not going to say there ain't no white boy out there that's Piru for sure, man.

42:21And I said, shout out to the white boy. They've been hitting me a lot. I'm saying in the TDC penitentiary system in the 90s, from 1993 to 2000, if you was in the TDC system, and you claim, most of them, the fear factor just alone, you're going against the world. You're not just going against, again, your race, they feel. The Mexicans don't accept you. The blacks don't accept you because they're like, who the fuck is he? He's a white boy, like that white boy. But I wasn't like that white boy. I was different than that white boy. My DNA was different. I wouldn't cut from that type of cloth. And that's when you have to go into the respect mode.

43:00And that's why I'm so serious about it today. I've got to have my respect. See, this interview started off with respect. I had to explain to them, I don't care about nothing else. I wasn't trying to get here, but thank you for having me. That wasn't my intention. my intention was to let them know that somebody made a comment that all white boys in Texas prison system was bitches and hoes and that burnt my blood up called them kids and I realized where he's coming from because they are 99 % but that 1 % you got to speak firm with and that 1 % was me and I took it as a fence and that's what got me going that's what really just But him, it all happened at one time.

43:45The white dude I'm working with, his people said, ain't no such thing in Eastwood, in Eastside. And I'm like, man, you telling that this man's from Eastside of Fort Worth and he's telling you ain't no such thing and I've been here? And it ain't like I just popped out. I've been here. So you have to know the real gangsters in the city know. They know. For sure. And the youngsters coming up, they don't have no guidance. and if you don't give me a second on this, these youngsters nowadays don't have no respect for the OG. And that's why the system is so, we're falling apart. I wish I would have brought my shirts to show you, man.

44:23I got some shirts coming out. And I'm bringing them because I'm chasing peace. And no way because I'm scared. It's because I'm wise. And I've realized that I've lost a lot of people. and they've lost a lot of people. And these are children lots of times. You know, and I just want to reach my community and let them know that there is somebody that's out there that'll listen. There is somebody that'll try to help. There's been other people come from my city that ain't worried about peace. They're worried about their image on here and how much money they can make. I'll stay broke and fight for peace in my family, in my kids, and keep one alive because my boys are tripping.

45:10My boys are getting it in, and I don't want that. They fell right up under like the cop told them, you know, the apple don't fall far from the tree, and that's true. But I want to save one now. It's time to save one. You know what? I don't want nobody sitting back here thinking, oh, he wants to be hard and he wants to be tough. Man, I am that. I don't have to prove that no more, and that's why I'm trying to fight with everybody to this day, with me to prove that I don't have to fight no more. I just have to be me now. You know, the struggle, the fight is real. When you fight every day in your mind, that no one wanted you anyway.

45:50No one's accepting you. Your own race turned on you just because you wasn't racist. The people that you love the most wasn't wanting to accept you because they didn't feel like you was real enough. You know, that was deep. That was deep, man. And I had to, I kept battling. It was a battle. It's been a battle to today, and that's why I'm telling you, I don't want to battle no more. And if I do battle, I want to battle for unity. A righteous cause. Yeah, unity. I want to battle for peace. I want to battle that we can come together. I know the OGs in the city on both sides, and I love everybody, and I just want to bring them together, you know?

46:32and these shirts I made they're amazing man I'm telling you brother like half is blue half is burgundy right side's burgundy the right side says people in righteous unity the left side says what community revolution in progress there you go I'm sorry to say like I just never remembered that I kept up with that because I was never focused on what I'm on now You know, but no disrespect to nobody. But I got my shirts made, and it stands for CRIP. And this is the beginning of everything. And this is Peru, and it's the beginning of everything, like way back in the 70s. And I want to bring them together.

47:13The bottom of my shirt, it says, together we stand, divided we fall. And on the front, it's a big tree, and it says family over everything. You know, we can't lose no more people. you know that's how I feel about it man I'm deep about that because my sons and your sons you know we we got to teach them better I went in it too hard I went in proving myself to the world expecting death before 21 but God blessed me to still be here at 50 that's 25 27 29 years after that and I and you I get to sit here with you and and hopefully with me sitting here with you I can I can bring my city together no I believe because that's what I'm focused on for sure um okay but speaking of the blood and crip thing when you decided that you weren't going to be rolling with the white boys in prison or whatever were you accepted in the way that you probably wanted to be by the actual gang members no especially because like you were saying uh another interview I saw is that the bloods were always like a huge minority like that it was mostly it's been that way it's been that way my whole life my whole life my whole whole life um i'm sorry i got somebody i'm trying to get on the phone right quick i would like to speak with us um yeah it's always been a it's always been like that it's always been for work for creep city hello uh he was calling you and you called him and hung him up All right, well, I'm on live right now, so hit, they finna hit me.

48:56And this is some validation. We finna have OG Kiki, Eastwood Don. He's finna call from prison. So as soon as he calls back, if you don't mind, I'm gonna put him on the line. Yeah, for sure. And like I said, man, yeah, it was a struggle. It's been a struggle. And it's been a mental struggle on me. because I just, every time I walked into a room, and it was, you know, of course, it was always going to be black. I walked in, especially in prison.

49:30I had to prove myself from the jump. So it got to the point where they were calling me out every day. You know, we had a thing in Texas called Freaky Friday. On Friday night, they would call each other to the dance floor. And it got so bad to me, like, damn, I'm the only one getting called out every Friday. So Freaky Friday was a fight situation. Fight, yeah, in Texas. Of course, I wasn't the only one, but I was the majority. Most of the time, I was getting it in. And he, I mean, it just was one of them situations, man. So now I got to the point where Freaky Friday would roll out, and I'm like this, now I want him.

50:06What about him? I'll take him too. That's how we were fighting. When I say I fought 40 fights in 30 days, that's not an exaggeration. Like, this was the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me God. We ain't making this up to impress nobody. Because I'm going to tell you something, bro. It was a battle. It was a lifestyle that many can't walk. And that's why when these white boys are saying, oh, I was Piru in prison, I'm thinking, man, really? It's hard for you to believe even though you did it. I did it because I was truly accepted by my people because that's where I grew up.

50:42from here. Like, we went to elementary school together. We went to middle school together. We went to high school together. That's how I came up. I didn't have no white friends. I didn't have no white friends. The only white friends that I knew was my family. You know, their family running around. We didn't, you know, I didn't have nobody that, I didn't know what the white boys was riding skateboards out there. I was packing a pistol, you know. And then I chose that lifestyle at an early age because I liked, I just had an attraction to a gangster, you know, like watching movies with my pops, you know.

51:23I just kind of, you know, and then hearing him tell his old stories kind of just turned me to, you know. So catching all those fades and everything, did that really kind of earn you the respect of the black community in there that you were a part of? Right. Yeah, it definitely did. well you know first few times you're getting it in yeah you see that yeah here he is right here already well we're in Texas

51:58you got Tuesday Black up here do you yep hello that's my guy hold on red telephone you know we call him from prison yeah yeah you were i know it i know it but yeah so the respect you you know you fighting the fighting for your respect he was in prison with me too at that time he pulled in the same you and i was on on telford and fighting for your you know your um your life fight for everything you believed in you know that time i'm gonna crush you gotta remember to tell him who you who you hate you can't forget about that yeah i'm gonna give him a minute on that one i'll write that down in case you forget yeah you just said that with persie too oh yeah well i do have that written down and the other one yeah well you know i'm gonna i'm gonna say this man and i'm and i'm since you started it now you got my back burning i'm gonna have to put that out there you know uh charleston white um speaking directly to him i hope he can always hear Let me say it.

52:59I can't stand Charleston White. Really? And let me explain to you why, man. Let me give the world the reason. He talked down on your homie who passed? 100%. Yeah, Pee Wee from Eastwood. It's a real sensitive subject to a lot of people, man. And he talked down on him and said, you know, after he passed, though, he wouldn't have done that while he was alive. You understand what I'm saying? And after he did that and he put that out there like that, And I ain't got no respect and never will for him, like ever. So it was a situation that he knew about? Was he speaking out of ignorance or did he actually understand?

53:35Everybody, no, no. He's an ignorant man, so he don't speak out of understanding never. Have you ever seen that? He's an ignorant man. What has he done ever? Like you got popular off the people and left them behind, you know, and that's the truth. You know, when you get popular off the people that put you in that position, and at least have enough respect for them to push for them. You understand? In a way. And he's left everybody behind. He's a real hole in my book. You know what I mean? I wish I could fight him, man. I know that that would never happen, that little weenie. That would not go over too well, I don't think, yeah.

54:11Yeah, I would love to take about 50 years of aggression out on him.

54:19He's very disrespectful. But when you talk about people that's passed away, that's more sensitive than anything else you could do. When you're doing something for content, that's one thing. We can make some content and make a lot of people laugh or like you. But in my life, when you talk about somebody that passed away, that's deep. That's too much. You understand what I'm saying? And that's the reason that I'm zero tolerance on him. Also, again, is he's a snitch. So we come from two different backgrounds. You know, is he on there? No, no, no, no. I just told him to call right back. He's going to call.

54:59Yeah, so we come from two different backgrounds. You know what I mean? It's hard to get a hold of him because he's in prison. But we come from two different backgrounds. His background and my background, our DNA ain't nothing the same. I couldn't understand, and I'm going to say this right now, and only the real gangsters is going to understand me. the fake ones might miss this and the wannabes might miss this, but the real ones know exactly what I say. Ain't no gangster, ain't no OG going to sit in the same room with the DEA. Ain't no man like that going to sit in the same room with a snitch and vibe.

55:38We ain't vibing. Now, if you sit in the same room with him, he's over there and I'm over here, we don't even look at each other. That's one thing. But when I tell you that I can't even be in the same area with that man, I mean it because I'm going to lose it all possibly because he took us down the wrong road and then he made him laugh at us. Like ain't nobody, ain't no ho, ain't no bitches and hoes coming from Eastwood, Paru. Fort Worth period. Yeah. Let me say that right. Fort Worth period. But he said Eastwood, Paru. He put a name on it. And that's not real. That's not real. That's not real.

56:20You may, I don't. I wish they would let me be that Island boy. That's what I was just thinking about. You're a little bit bigger than the Island boys. Well, I was thinking that. So I'm going to guess that his commentary or critique was basically like, oh, that's what you get for being a white boy and trying to be on some gangster shit, something along those lines. No, he wasn't even on me. He ain't got me yet. Oh, okay. I didn't listen, man. This is another thing. My homeboy told me when that happened, I was in California. I was here working. And my homeboy told me about it. And I said, man, why didn't y 'all do something?

56:52fire him up right then. Oh, he had all the cameras, whatever. I'm like, okay, nobody wanna go to prison, man, like that. You definitely don't wanna do nothing that's right out in the public. So I'm like, well, what the, and then he said, I said, damn, what is he, what type of, you know, cause I wasn't paying attention to the clown. Make a long story short, man. When they told me how it happened, I wasn't there. So I told one of my other partners, I was like, man, I wanna get at his ass. And they were like, man, he's too big for you. You'll never be able to get in here. He won't even respond to you.

57:23So I went to Facebook and I made a post. You know, I ain't got nothing but about 200 or 300 people. I ain't had nothing at the time looking. I want this bitch ass. You know what I mean? You weren't the wrong people. And, you know, people just, you know, make a long story short, he never responded. Never nothing happened. Nothing ever come back out of it. But see, I'm getting on this Internet and the bigger I get. Where you coming now? I want to let everybody know that Charleston White is a ho. He's a real life ho. Is there anything that you respect or appreciate about his commentary on the culture or is this just your overall viewpoint outside of even things that he said about it?

58:02Well I ain't took time to even find out nothing after he said what he said. I haven't even looked at him. I don't even know what else he's done. I know he ain't done nothing for my city. He can talk that shit. You know when I look on the internet and I see, when I'm going through Facebook and I scroll through some things and I see him say shit like, you know for one, he's all in all Confederate. it, you know? That's a sensitive subject, man. For you to sit there as a black man in front of your black people and do that, you clown, that's more than going, that's too much. For you to sit there and talk about black women the way you do, man, you've lost your mind.

58:32Even K104, the radio station, they said something about him the other morning. I think it was K104. Yeah. They were like, man, he's a clown. He said, because if a black woman was to become president, we would all be slaves. I'd rather be slaves. No, he said, I'd rather be a slave again. Man, you watch your tongue, man. some things are sensitive and people take and play with them you understand what i'm saying so again so you know he just took that way too far out of line from disrespecting my partners where i went zero tolerance and then by me just catching him from here and there seeing listening say this ignorant shit he's saying like man who has respect for him and the misrepresentation adam of fort that's not Fort Worth.

59:14Yeah, that's not us, bro. I'm gonna let everybody on this, that can hear us. We don't come like that, homie. We ain't doing no snitching. Yeah. We ain't doing no snitching. The people that have had voices, that had a chance to maybe come up here outside of Twisted Black, that's not us, bro. When you came down to the Fort Worth, when little buddy took you around, that wasn't, that's, no, Adam, no, no, no. Everybody laughed at that shit. They were like, what, Remo hit me, you know what I'm saying? I was in communication with him, but that's not it, bro. Like, and not even because Red Dog sitting right here, not even because he's white, but Red Dog is square business.

59:44Most of the people there are that. Now, Charleston, Percy is Percy. I love Percy. I got into a Percy the other day. I got respect for OG Percy. OG Percy, he does good content. He got some nice platform. He was upset, and I'm going to say this again. He was upset because I said, ain't no gangster. I'm going to sit around a snitch. I never knew Percy, and I'm going to still stand on that, regardless how at the end of the day. And I know the people that are gangsters that are hearing me understand exactly where I'm coming from. Again, I said that's like breeding a chihuahua with an exotic bully. You ain't getting nothing out of that with a bunch of shit.

1:00:27So I didn't mean no disrespect to nobody. If the truth hurts, understand me? anyway I sat down with Percy let's talk about this man right I ain't shooting at Percy right now in no kind of way I with OG Percy man let me let me explain something to you he we had a conversation and he explained to me why they actually sat down and as a man I understood that right but again he's different than me because I will never you couldn't give me a million dollars right now and I'm broke as I'm gonna tell the world I'm broke as you couldn't give me a million dollars to sit down with that bitch-ass Charleston White.

1:01:03And I mean that. Now, wait a minute. Let's tell you this. Let's say it like this. Let me whoop him and then give me a million and we'll make a duo. Okay. And we can sit down together after that. We can sit down and talk all kinds of shit. But I need to discipline that punk bitch. Right. Because he's let his mouth overload his ass. And I know they're going to say this. Listen to this. They're going to say, oh, you're too big for him. Well, let me explain something to all of you that's listening. When I was in prison, if I went that route, I wouldn't be here today. Because damn near everybody I fought was bigger than me.

1:01:38Ain't no such thing in this lifestyle, picking and choosing who you're going to fight. That's the only I hear in the made-believe world. Oh, he's 250, you're 250. No. Hello?

1:01:53That's not him. I hope you can cut that out. Oh, yeah. That's the old lady I take care of down the street. Okay. And I hated to hang up on her like that. I feel bad now. Yeah, okay, but that argument that they always use, like the argument that like Wack uses to justify why he can do business with 6ix9ine or do podcasts with 6ix9ine is basically like he's not a gangster, so I can't really feel the same way about him snitching that I would feel about somebody from my neighborhood snitching or somebody who I previously respected the gangsterism of. And I feel like there's quite a few people who kind of take that attitude.

1:02:31He's a civilian, and he told, even though he might have been hanging out with a bunch of gang members for a while there, and I feel like that's the same logic people use with Charleston. It's like, he ain't a gang member, so if he wants to call the cops, talk to the cops. Does that make it okay, Adam? Does civilians get to snitch? Does that make it okay to be able to do that? If the old lady on the block calls the cops when there's a shootout. Not her. I'm willing to do this. Guys that are engaging in this type of shit we're doing, this content space, this podcast space, and then they go tell.

1:03:01I agree with the old lady snitching on the block. You're not a fan of that either. Because that's kind of like the new definition of snitching is that you have to be a gangster to be judged for snitching. That's why the youngsters took this shit out of proportion. That's why they're all talking about each other and telling on each other. Because they made it a fashion. You know, I'm going to get down for mine. Or he gave up. Somebody, oh, they gave me up. I'm giving them up. man if you're doing it you if you can't do the time don't do the crime you understand but you still need to have morals and values if you're going to be a gangster right the first thing you do is we don't f*** with snitches how many times did Al Capone and Benny C did they sit in the same room with them did they sit in the same room with a snitch knowingly probably not Right.

1:03:51Yeah. Of course, I don't know neither one of them, but I'm just using it. Who is going to sit in the same room as a snitch? You know what I mean? That's how I feel. I mean, in this lifestyle. Again, in this lifestyle. In your lifestyle where you're a civilian and you see that guy kill that guy, you want to write a witness statement? That's between you and what you're doing. But that puts you in a certain box where gangsters shouldn't sit with you? you should not preach snitching and again wait a minute see now you in the situation you're sitting across the street from a gangster when they come on your show right you talk to them you're going to sit with them and you definitely ain't no snitch a little different as a media personality where it's your job to talk to people I've also interviewed a lot of people who like definitely snitch but almost none of them really cop to it nobody's going to cop to it Everybody got a little bit of a story to justify that.

1:04:50You got to know we're in the 2000s, too. Here's the other thing about the 2000s is this. In 1990 and above, snitches got stitches. That was a true statement. People found dead everywhere just for running their mouth. People ain't going to talk on. If it's somebody out in your neighborhood and he's killing a lot of people and they come and interview you, uh-uh, cut the camera. You know? No, they don't. You got to understand, nowadays, snitching is accepted. Understand that. Like, what's the dude's name out of the snitching? Ooh, 1090 Jake. 1090 Jake. Yeah, I don't even know who that is, but he's snitching too.

1:05:29Anybody snitching on the snitches. He's snitching on the snitches. That's how I feel about it. He's snitching on the snitches. So even if you're a YouTuber exposing shit that isn't necessarily public? Well, I guess that - But 1090 is exposing snitches. Right, which is a good thing. He actually cares about the street code. 1090 is a dude who would not snitch. He takes his gangster shit serious. What are you sure about that? Well, from everything I know. Okay, well, I don't know him. Again, we're talking about somebody I don't even know right now. I don't even have no idea who he is. We're talking, but what I'm saying, a snitch nowadays, they get away with it.

1:05:59I'm talking about the other dude out of Atlanta. What's his name? Oh, Woody. Woody. Woody, okay. Come on, man. How did you tell it? They know you told it. And now you're in the city and everybody's with you. And you're getting paid. Yeah. Like, damn, we need to stop being a gangster and start tucking our tail on everybody. I don't care how many people you killed. Everybody Woody told on is petrified of catching more cases because they all got wrapped up in all these crazy Ricos and shit. How they letting him live? How's he running around? Let's think about that. How are you still? And again, man, I hope that I ain't trying to tell him.

1:06:37Hey, man, I don't want nobody to hurt that man. I ain't saying it like that. We're talking back and forth. I don't even know that man. But I'm going to use him as an example because he's popular off of snitching. Right? He even got with Charlie. Oh, Charleston, they was linked up. They were real cool for like a couple days. Until they found out who Charleston really is. Charleston's that little snake. That's what he does, you know? He uses you, you know? And let me just speak on Charleston for a second because I seen him, like I wanted to interview him when he kind of first came out on the scene and for maybe four years he's ducking saying he would never do it he's talking about how he would never ever appear on the podcast how he don't with me how he likes racist white boys he don't like ones like me want to be cool black dudes etc fine whatever i got over it i didn't give a shit then i see him at the boxing max match a couple months ago in miami shakes my hand tells me to me tells me that he was wrong about me before etc a couple weeks later all of a sudden he's back on podcast talking a bunch of shit about me.

1:07:41Then I saw him literally two days ago in Miami and he's back to being cool, grabbing me my leg. How you doing, buddy? Blah, blah, blah. We're commentating on the fights together. He's acting totally cool. And I had just hit him up a week before that to say, hey, let's do an interview. He said, not interested. So it's like he doesn't really have it in him to like fully hate me when I'm in front of his face, but he'll say whatever about me on podcast and then even when I'm offering to pay him to do a podcast together is like he don't want to do it. I feel like he kind of feels like once we sit down across from each other on a podcast that he's not going to be able to really win in that exchange.

1:08:20He's somebody who's very much known for being this great orator, but I'm going to be real. I feel like if me and you sit down and you try to tell me why you don't fuck with me that you're going to sound stupid. I think he kind of knows that. He is stupid. Ain't nothing about him makes no sense. That's what I'm trying to tell you. He's one of them. He's one of them type. Because I'm going to tell you something, if I didn't like you, you're going to fill my presence when I'm in the room. And I'm not going to change because of no money, man. Ain't no money going to change my ideals and my thoughts.

1:08:49You know what I'm saying? Now, don't get me wrong. Again, everybody's chasing that dollar, right? But like I said again, I'm not never going to turn against my morals and values for no dollar, man. And Charleston definitely went for the money. He had a message at first. It wasn't as diluted and cloudy with bullshit at first. Then he went for the money and he said, f*** everybody. F*** your dead mama, your dead baby, your brother, your uncle. F*** all y 'all. That's in Fort Worth. He didn't appreciate that. He also said one time I was watching, I looked through it and I catch them. I just catch them and I don't ever catch a good one.

1:09:26And the one I called, he said, Fort Worth, Texas. Fort Worth, I'm rich now. I used y 'all to get where I need to be. Shit. It's y 'all's fault for believing. And that right there, that hurt me. Because I ain't never going to scream Fort Worth, Texas. You know what I'm saying? Fort Worth was what put him on. We pushed him out. It wasn't no other shit. It was Fort Worth. Talking about the gangsters, the Stop 6, the Eastwood, and the Harvey Street. That's what he was talking about. And that's what, that shit went viral on Facebook. And that's what created the YouTube shit. And he just went from there.

1:09:56You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I mean, he's kind of transparent about that. Like, even with the Say Cheese thing, like, Sean Cotton basically created him out of thin air, and gave him a whole career. I would say Vlad did. I don't know. He was at Vlad before. Vlad had him a couple times, but Say Cheese had him before that, and I feel like Sean Cotton believed in him before he really had accomplished anything and helped him figure out his own value. But all I'm saying is that then, now, Charleston feels like he's in the Aiden Ross world, the streamer world, et cetera, and so he can just completely turn on Sean.

1:10:25And I feel like that's kind of corny. He's going to do that. If you fuck with him, Adam, it's safe you can do a pod with him and you pay him whatever. Yeah. Tomorrow. I got three days before he's back. Yeah, your ass is grass. As soon as he hit that doe. Yeah, he gonna do that. Because ultimately, I think he's somebody who's kind of content over everything. 100%. And he knows that when a rapper dies, that if you get on there and say, hey, man, rest in peace to him, he's a good guy. Like, you know, shout out to his family, blah, blah, blah. He's a good man. That ain't really viral. But if you get on there and say, you know, the BDs, the GDs, man they all burn in hell I mean that's gonna get people talking.

1:11:04Give money to little Ronnie Chucky and his baby when they when he went and did that shit he ain't really been there like that because that like Chucky was was a full worth baby we love Chucky everybody love Chucky you hear me the other guy that yeah yo weird all that shit that's one thing but Chucky was different he didn't deserve that he wasn't um his baby definitely didn't deserve that charleston got on him went to send the worst shit we ever heard man and i can't that's why that's crazy the thing that's the reason and i like to say man r.i.p 100 to them um that was very sensitive situation and any man i don't care what gang past you come from any man at that point that was that was a that's that's very sensitive on our on our souls um i i can't i just can't respect any man that that talks about people that's passed away.

1:12:01Yeah, that's where the content shit stop at right there. You gotta know when to cut it off. We can talk about it. You know, you can say what you want off camera. And I don't even like that, man. Like I told you, you ain't gonna catch me looking no different than I look now. We ain't gonna butter the situation up, man. Because what's real is real, and that's all we know. Like when gangsters have beef with each other, and then one of them gets killed and they make songs dissing them, or they're on an interview and they diss him or whatever. I don't really love that, but at least I get it. You know, if you really got like a blood vendetta against somebody, but from Charleston's perspective, it's like he don't have nothing personal.

1:12:36He's just doing it for content. That's where people should understand that that's that he needs to put a wig and a nose on that clown. And let's just accept him as a clown. And then now when he pops out, we know he's going to hear his content. And if you show up to his shows, you show up to his shows and he's talking about somebody that passed away it don't you don't feel shit you laugh right along and giggle right along until he's talking about your people yep and then you then you want to get serious but we shouldn't have to wait till he gets serious to x his bitch ass out you understand what i'm saying because he's already done too much talking about one was enough people love people man and we go through things in life and we we have to be you know who we are and we have to hold it the way we hold it, but you don't, man, I got, man, listen, man, I was, I had partners in the past, I ain't gonna say partners, man, I had people I rolled on in the past, and I wanted them dead, right, and, and, and this is a true story, man, everybody's got enemies like that, but then when they really die, you feel f***ed up yourself, if you're man like i mean i understand like charleston if he had a wreck right now man i'm gonna pop a bottle you hear me like we're gonna you know i'm gonna spend all my last on a bottle and and and and i'm just saying but but at the end of the day um that's not how we as humans see you got to be a human you get gangsters are humans you understand we we want love too we want we have feelings and emotions too and and even though i wanted somebody you know this is a true story man it was somebody that i was on into it with for years and i wanted them dead man and then when they passed away man at my age i shed a tear for for somebody that i wasn't even the situation was ugly and all i'm saying is man we're still humans at the end of the day and that's what i'm trying to get back to humanity You understand?

1:14:37That's what the gangster shit is good. And that's what people want to know about. But at the end of the day, I really want to talk about the people. What can we do to help our children? What kind of movement can we get in that's going to be positive for our environment, you know, to keep somebody else alive, you know? And so that's kind of where I'm at with my life, you know, and all my enemies and I had enemies and whatever, you know, we're done with that. We're all 50 now. When you hit 50, I'm going to tell you some real shit, man. When you hit 50, if you're still gangbanging, I said gangbanging, you're f***ed up.

1:15:18You're not never going to be. See, gangbangers and gang members, it's two different things. You can be a member, and we're all out here being a member. Gangbanging is representing that shit to the death. And there's times for that at war. That's when that happens. We go to war. But what I'm trying to tell you is if you're 50 and you're on gangbanging, man, there's something wrong with you. I mean, when you're 50 for the average guy, you can kind of see what the end of your life is going to be like. You've already lived most of your life. Your parents are probably either gone or they're aging to the point where you can kind of see the end of their life approaching.

1:15:59and you know by the time you're 50 you probably got kids your kids are probably either adults or getting there oh my god i got listen you got the whole spectrum from adults i got i just had one little bailey i just had one you know i have a poly relationship at home like i said i got two two women real you know what i mean yeah brie and alex shout out brie and alex i love y 'all Wait, so this is a real poly relationship and you live with both of them and they're both cool with it? Yeah, right. Yeah, and then I live with all my children, man. We can run them down. You live with 16 kids? No, no.

1:16:40A few of them are grown. At all times. Yeah, Dub and Zay and Michaela, they're grown. But then from there, I got Naraya, Abby King, Emily. I got Noah. I got Gabe. I got Riley. I got Rain. I have, shit, I got Bailey. I got... Duda. Yeah, I done said Duda. Let me get them all right. It's so many of them. I got...

1:17:09Shit, man. You took my shit away from me. I have, that's what I'm saying. When you have so many children, trying to remember all their names is a task at 50. You hear me? I've been hit so many times in the head, but I have Ashton, and I have my daughter. I have a brand-new daughter. Man, you're going to have to cut this out. No, this is good. Well, I mean, unless you really want it. Giovanni. Giovanni. That's my daughter, and I'm so sorry. Please don't do nothing to me when I get there. Trying to go down the road of their names, you know, and I got so many of them. It's just, and I don't remember no birthdates.

1:17:50But anyway, back to the poly relationship. Yeah, I definitely have a poly relationship, a strong one. Like, we're really together. We all live together. Have you ever thought about pulling out? That's been the problem. I never broke a week. I figured, man. I never broke a week. I'm the opposite of that. When I had my kid, I got about a good month and a half, two months of coming in my girl on purpose, and then she got pregnant and then got to continue to do it throughout the rest of the pregnancy. But besides that, never intentionally shot the club up. Well, let me give it to you right quick. I'm glad you brought that up because this is a good note we own.

1:18:24I was gang banging when I come home. Banging, gang banging. Right. Not a gang member. I was an active gang member. I was out in the streets and I was doing a lot of things that we do. And I don't mean just gang members. I mean a criminal. I didn't have no way to make no money, so I had to get on it. Well, anyway, I got out of prison 410-2000. 410, I mean 411-2001, which is one year and one day later, I had Dub, 88 Dub. He's an upcoming rapper in the city. Check him out, Adam. He does millions of views. I've seen he's got some videos doing interviews about what it's like growing up with you as his dad, too.

1:19:05Right. I wanted him here. I wanted him here. But again, I'm going to give Charleston White something to talk about. I'm broke. I couldn't get him here, Charlie. No, man. Just keeping it real. I didn't have enough money to get us all here. This took a lot out of me. You know what I mean? I got 16 kids to take care of that I faithfully take care of. Every dollar I get's got to go home. And that's why I said I would knock Charleston out. I'd do it for free, but if anybody wants to pay me, I would do it for the money too. Aiden. Anyway, get off that, man. Yeah. So when I got here, man, again, it just took a lot out of me to even get us here.

1:19:47You know what I mean? Because, again, I'm focused. I just had a wreck last week. Went off a bridge. My truck's totaled, you know, and things just kind of went one X across the screen. Do you like most guys want to have a couple kids either get a vasectomy or just intentionally go out of their way to stop having kids? I'm talking about broken. It just got me all in the wrong path. I'm going to get back on it. When I had my dub, the night before, I was slinging that iron in the city of Fort Worth, Texas. And I came to the hospital with gun residue on my hands. I was in the streets. Whoa. When that baby popped out at her, I looked.

1:20:34They're hollering. The baby's here. The baby's hollering. When I reached out and grabbed him, my life changed. Really? Right then and right there. And that was your firstborn? And that's when I knew that I had to take care of him. But still, I was battling with the demon. Okay, let's get it straight. I'm battling with demons at that time because I'm still not going to let nothing happen. I'm riding. Well, I had another one. That one wasn't with me. She was born with her mama through me running the streets. Didn't even know she was born until a year later after she was born. She was one years old when I met her.

1:21:08And that's Michaela. And after that, I had Isaiah, right? Then I went back to prison. I hadn't given it all the way up. But the time in prison was so depressing to me, bro, that it just destroyed my soul. Every time I'd see something about children on TV, it bothered me. Every time I would hear somebody talking about their family or get a phone call, it bothered me. I knew I left somebody out there that really needed me and they needed some guidance. So the next time I got out, of course, it was a long stretch. But when I got out, I went straight home and I picked them up. And that's when my story began as far as trying to be a father.

1:21:52You know, I grabbed a hold of them and told them, hey, man, I ain't leaving you ever again. You know, not like that. You know, before I went to prison, I had to go sit down with them at the table. And we was all talking over dinner. and I told them, your dad's leaving. He'll be gone in the morning. They don't know that. That was a sensitive situation. But I overcame. I went to prison, and that's another reason when I got, I was aggravated. But I also knew I wasn't going to come home because I'm a gang member. I'm on gang file. I'm a white blood in TDC, and it's been to be some problems. So I knew I wasn't going to make parole.

1:22:26They wasn't even, them white folks wasn't even going to let me out. Every time they get me, they're cheering. So make a long story short, I fought the whole time I was there. But when I got back out that last time, I gave them a promise I wasn't going nowhere. And that's another reason that I get on here like this, because you never know. You never know. You know, who knows what happened next for you in your life? Somebody may present, you know, present something to you that will take you somewhere else. And that way I can get my children in where I'm trying to get them and lead other ones the right way.

1:22:54For sure. So, I mean, think about how powerful children are, that somebody as gangster as you who's seen as much as you and been through as much as you, that your kids are like the one thing that could drive you to tears like that, you know? Right. And I think we've all kind of had that experience as dads. Well, you know, it's also because I let them down. Yeah. But that's another story, you hear me? We ain't got to get into that too long, but I let them down. I left them when they needed me the most. Because of prison or because? Well, because of my actions, you know, wrongdoing. Again, because of my image of being a tough guy, I wasn't letting it down.

1:23:33And if you've got to stand by that, you can't walk in there and say, well, I love my kids and be on that shit when you're on demon time. That don't exist in them. There's two different lives. So the children are what got me focused, you know what I'm saying? A lot of people make comments out here and they say things. But I really am a real daddy, and I really am not on food stamps, and I really don't get no government assistance. Everything that I acquire is out of the mud. You just don't want to get government assistance because you have too much pride for it? No. Now you're going to get me in trouble.

1:24:16Uh-oh. But I'm going to go on telling. My kids' mothers get the food stamps. Okay. I don't get nothing but to take care of the kids. See, my purpose is I just want them. You keep the money, I'll take the children. And I know they're going to be upset with me by the time I get to this interview, but I don't care. Truth is truth, man. I got a warrant for my arrest right now. I had to ride the bus to see you. Really? That's the only reason we didn't fly. What's the warrant for? Child support. Ah. And the sad thing is I got all my kids at home. I can call them right now on FaceTime, and I'll show you every one of them.

1:24:52They're going to come to the phone. You know what I mean? And that is a true story. Would you like to see them? Sure. Whatever you want to do. They all black too, Adam. I was assuming that every single baby mama is black. Yeah, well, I've never had the opportunity to this day to be with a white woman. I've said that in other videos. Now, wait a minute. I'm not running from no white women now that I'm older. you know it's like a walk on the wild side yeah right right but I'm not I just never had a chance because again when you grow up in the situation I grew up in there was nobody but black folks there right you know so like I think he's like Adriana trying to get a hold of me and I still haven't even got him on this phone but I want to show you right quick what I'm talking about so you know that it's real like I'm not I'm genuine hey babe put all my kids on camera right quick get them in there Raya, Abby, Rains, go get Duda and King oh King I didn't even bring up King I love you son I can't remember hurry up I am oh King y 'all get in the front of the camera right quick

1:26:12look at him Show me baby Gia. Look at the babies. Show me the babies. Aww. Hi. I'm doing an interview with your dad. Show them all, babe. Show everybody. Wow, that is a whole light-skinned coalition you got going there, man. Right. She got her hair all braided up. Yeah, Bree braids their hair, gets them all nice looking. Nice. Nice. Hey, King. Hey. King Pai Nua. I see. There's still more coming. That is a lot of kids in that house right there. Yeah. Hey, babe. Bree. Do I take care of y 'all? Yes. What did you say, Bree? There you go. Now they're getting in the pictures. Just let you know, when people get on here, I love y 'all.

1:27:08I love you. I love you. I love you too. I love you. When people get on here, bro, and they go to talking about it, I ain't no daddy, that hurts me bad because I am a gangster. I am. And I made a lot of wrong decisions, but I am a daddy. And even though I made wrong decisions raising them early on, I don't make them decisions now. You know, that's another reason that I've sat down and talked to people about even doing this. They say God may be pushing you in that direction for someone to hear your story. Right. You know, it wasn't like, again, it wasn't something that I felt like was going to even...

1:27:42I never thought this would be... He didn't believe me. I said, I'm going to blow you up, Red Dog. He was like, come on, I just want to tell my story. You know what I mean? Hold on, hold on, let me say this. I didn't send Adam a lot of my interviews, man. That's true. The only one he didn't pay attention to that he let me know he paid attention to was the Red Dog interview. Straight up. I did have it saved for a few weeks before I watched it, but then when I watched it, I hit him up like, yeah we got to actually do this is this is a good story right here this guy's very interesting yeah but the thing is i'm genuine and i'm honest you know the thing that scares me the most is i don't want to tell a lie on this internet because i'm scared somebody will google it everything i tell is the truth right i want you to understand that everything i'm going to tell you is the truth we're not going to make up a little story and make a skits that's not real right like he asked me if they paid you money to sit with charleston white would you No, because he affected me.

1:28:37He affected me deeply by saying what he said about someone that meant so much to me and to my neighborhood. He was somebody in the neighborhood that people could look up to and respect. And also he was a gangster, a real gangster. And for him to do that after he passed on, wow. There's no way he would have done that while he was living. Yeah. That's grimy, man. Man, I really wish I could get this man on the phone, brother. Yeah. He really wanted to be on here. Oh, look. Here they go. Did you get him? Oh, yeah, Adam, fuck 607 Unc. Why do you say that? Because you were super cool with him up until pretty recently, right?

1:29:21Yeah, that's still my brother. But, you know, Unc is a, I don't know about that guy. I think you might know better than I do. He's a riddle. He's very confusing. That's a good riddle. A human walking riddle Spent a lot of time around him But I'm still not really sure What the thing is But wait Okay What was your business relationship With him? I was his manager Okay you were managing Yeah I was managing him Yeah for sure Him Go Yeo Tony Weirich Okay Who else from Fort Worth That really anything That kind of come through there In a sense Like I've had my hands in it 100 % Like it ain't nobody That you know Why did not work out with Unc?

1:30:00Well he still calls me We still talk We still talk, but just like business. I don't want to peel his pockets back, Adam. Yeah. He don't want to peel his pockets back, man. Okay. You know what that mean? Yeah. Yeah, so, hey. Because I was just asking you why him and King Yellow fell out. Because I just found out about that yesterday. You don't even like King Yellow. You had no good thing to say about him after. No, we got back cool. Are y 'all cool now? We were not cool for maybe a year and a half or something there. But no, I was just hanging out with him in Miami and stuff. We're back on good terms.

1:30:30King Yellow, I like him a lot. Now, we was all working together. Me, Uncle Ken Yellup, we've done a lot of good work now. Yeah, that was his kind of main co-host on his pod, and I guess shit didn't work out. I wasn't there, so I don't know. I don't know. Interesting. Yeah, I know one thing about it, man. I came to put Fort Worth, Texas, and Eastwood, Paroo on the map. You've heard of Truman Street. Have you heard of Truman? No, I think you heard of Truman. But I mean the world. A lot of the world has. Bounty Hunter BJ came to Truman. Truman is like a blood set in Fort Worth. It's like one of the first, probably, yeah, the first blood set in Texas for the most part.

1:31:08A lot of the gang shit in Texas, don't let them people come and lie to you, Adam. It comes from Fort Worth, bro. I mean, it came from the prison system. Okay. You know what I'm saying? It became a fad when they see it like in the streets, but in a prison is when a lot of those guys got the gang from the Fort Worth cast with the gang shit, 100%. Oh, okay. So this is what I wanted to ask you. I'm sure you're aware of the whole conflict going on between the sort of L.A. Hoovers and the Texas Hoovers. And a lot of that comes down to basically they're in Texas. You're asking the wrong person. Right, but I just want to know from your perspective, can an out-of-state blood or an out-of-state Piru tell you that you're not gang-banging right?

1:31:51In terms of, you know, we're not talking like big moral things. We're talking more stylistic things. Like with the Hoovers, it's more about are you Crips or criminals? Do you use, you know, what side do you wear your rag on or whatever the fuck it is? It's like little things like that. Is that something where you feel like you need to defer to, you know, California when it comes to like how you represent your gang? I'm going to say this right fast. I can't speak on nothing Crip related. I'm not no knowledgeable in no sense. All due respect to the people that folks with me, but I have no knowledge and no understanding about the Crips.

1:32:33Let's say this. L.A. is where it was formed. It migrated different places. And when it comes to Texas, you know, we took it. We took it. And everything that y 'all in California do ain't exactly how we in Texas do. Right. But we represented it to the fullest. A lot of times they may not have had the right literature, the right knowledge, or the right teacher, but they still fought on the same side. You understand what I'm saying? So when you come from California and you're saying that this ain't how we do it and that ain't how we do it, I agree that it was formed here and it migrated there and we ran with it.

1:33:19whether you was brought and taught, we still did it the way we did it and we represented the same thing. You understand what I'm trying to tell you? When it comes to the Crips, I have nothing bad to say about Crips by any means, but I can't tell you nothing on them guys. You know what I'm saying? So when you're talking about me and what I'm doing, I'm 100 % understanding where we're going with it. You know what I mean? But I kind of get lost with that. so let's say you were doing podcasts with some parus out here and they said there's one thing about how you guys are being parus that we don't like we don't like the way that you guys do this gang sign this gang sign is not allowed in our world and you guys are doing it so therefore we feel like that's a conflict of interest or whatever would you be open-minded about that or are you sort of stuck in your ways enough that you're like no you should respect the fact that our gang history goes back 40 50 years and yeah maybe along the way some signals have been crossed but ultimately you should have respect for our traditions as well correct 100 they should always have respect for the motherland of california where it was originated but let me say this if you are a christian and you read the bible understand where i'm going now and you start preaching the Bible, you have to understand the word.

1:34:47You can't give nobody no word and not know what you're preaching on. See, a lot of situations, again, people wasn't given the right knowledge. They wasn't given the right game. They was given a flag. You understand where I'm coming from? And we went to war with that flag. We didn't care at that point about knowledge, literature. We didn't care about the breakdown of why we got there. We cared about killing the next one that was on the opposite side. So when they come out of California and they come to Texas, they have to understand we ain't California. We're Texas. And we banged just as hard as California in Fort Worth, Texas.

1:35:35So if they had a problem with the way it was structurized, then possibly should have shot down some knowledge. You understand? Should have pulled up and said, hey, this is how we're doing this or this is how we're doing that. You understand what I'm saying? If they're not liking how we did it, there's nothing we can do about it. It's done. And that's how we are. But at the end of the day, again, they, I will always respect California and their motherland. And this is where, you know, as me, see, a lot of people think I, they say, man, would you go to California and fuck with the hell? Yeah, because that's how my heart lies.

1:36:12You understand what I'm saying? And so I'm just from Texas. My accent's a little different. My way of thought's a little different. The way I carry myself may be a little different, but my heart is the same. You understand what I'm saying? For sure. A lot of those, go ahead. Well, it was on your channel, right? The Kunta versus Gumby showdown. Free OG Gumby? One of the craziest podcasts of all time. You think so, Adam? I appreciate that, man. I mean, it was one of the wildest things. That shit was, listen, that went from zero to a million in like, man, that shit was, and it wasn't staged. It wasn't no content shit.

1:36:54We didn't know Gumby was going to go straight to what he went to. He spoke on L.A. Ron, speaking on Hoover Business, which L.A. Ron never did. Shout out Uncle Ron. But it was all a ploy for Gumby to get at Kunta on some California jail shit, and Kunta failed for it. Right, because Kunta basically made it out like you and Unk kind of set him up. Yeah, and that's definitely. Yeah, he said that. So he didn't want to say my name, but let me clear that up. So before the interview even took place, Gumby and Kunta know that they both were going to be at Unk content house in Vegas. because there was no, no, Kunta flew from Texas.

1:37:31How you don't know? Right. You know what I'm saying? So they knew that. They were buddy-buddy, hugged up, smoking, drinking before the interview started. The interview start, it was cool. Gumby shot that shit out there, and Kunta was like kind of taken back, like, oh, what am, you know what I'm saying? So he did what he could do, but even after that, Adam, Gumby and Trigger Bird took Kunta home to his hotel room. He didn't stay over there with us. He left. so I didn't watch all the Kuntas shit and what he came up here and said and all of that you dig what I'm saying but didn't set him up at all definitely didn't do that I definitely didn't set him up and he wasn't by himself and it was a it was a safe place it wasn't no type of shit where he was gonna get off cause he from out of town and no it wasn't nothing like that definitely wasn't like I told Gumby I was talking to both of them even after the fact I told Gumby to come up here and deal with you I said go He called me.

1:38:23I said, bro, you need to go deal with Adam. I don't want to go. No, go with Adam, bro. You need to go do that. And y 'all became like this. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Can I ask you a question? Who brought me to you? How did you find me? Him. And I bring that up because there's a lot of people in Fort Worth. There's a lot of people in Fort Worth saying that, you know, there's different things. And again, I'm not a shit starter by far, but I definitely pay attention. You understand? And he told me that he was the reason that I came. and other people are telling me that he's not the reason that I'm here.

1:38:54So I would just verify. I'm the reason. Koulter kind of came up pretty. You watched it from the interview. Yeah. You know, yeah, you know, this thing too also, Adam, the Hoover stuff and the Crip stuff, it's real gang bangers in Fort Worth, like I said. actually, it's a set of grape streets in Fort Worth that have came out here to watch and got, they put down the proper way. Okay. You know what I'm saying? It's, what's his name? Red Rum, the blood dude from out here, he passed away. But these guys being four, this ain't no. Yeah, he came to a Stop Six. Yeah, they come down there, bro. Stop Six days.

1:39:28Stop Six is a blood neighborhood. Eastwood is a blood and neighborhood. Shout out to Truman Street. Shout out to Truman Street. You know what I'm saying? All OGs. But it's like a, it's a lot of those people that are down there, they come from here. Even, you know, most of LA's families in Mississippi, Texas, Alabama, you know, all of that shit. so um it's just a lot of different it's a it used to be for sure like i said he's older than me so i watched all of this shit i'm old enough to know who was really doing it who wasn't doing it and man that place was dangerous bro and i ain't just saying it because i'm from there fort worth was definitely one of the the that's why they take it so seriously you don't get no red dog if it ain't serious because he ain't gonna you can't he can't make it he's a white man in a city like that doing that shit when he was growing up i didn't believe it till i met him and it took me two seconds and he looked at me i was like he looked me i was managing his son and i said well interview him he wasn't trying to hear that shit so then when he seen one of the interviews and then here we go then the first one we did shit is that's the one you saw and now here we are so it was the the genuineness in him it comes from being from forward because it's not to play gangbanger plays.

1:40:41Now, it ain't like it was back then, but it ain't no, it's not no walk in the park. Some wires haven't gotten crossed with the gangbanger shit. When shit leaves places, it's going to do that. But like what he said. It's like speaking to somebody. You got 10 people in a circle here and I speak something to you and you speak it to them, but by the time it gets back to you, it's reworded. Yeah. It's worded the way that they were. Especially because now, there's so much information on the internet that what you're supposed to do, if you're a Crip or a Hoover or a Bud or whatever is like relatively easy to figure out but the internet has only been huge for 10 years, not even.

1:41:17So I mean like imagine how difficult it was to figure out the exact protocols for gang shit before that. I mean it would have been way more difficult. You see Fort Worth being like a majority, it's a Crip city. Like there's Crips on the north side, there's Crips on the east side, the south side, the west side. It's Hoover's everywhere. I feel like anywhere I've ever been it's always been majority where forward i mean anywhere anywhere i've ever been but majority yeah and then even out here the bloods in everywhere they've been violent they've been they because they have to is this because it's crips every goddamn where you know what i'm saying but a red dog he he he square bit is not a it's not a plate thing i think you you know what you're looking at adam when you you know i'm saying you wouldn't even had said that to me because i hit you about kunta you You basically was like, this wasn't your words verbatim, but you was, that, bring Red Dog up here.

1:42:09Let's do a podcast. You ignored what I said. I was like, now you speak my language. And here we are. And see, he didn't know you or none of this stuff. This is, he did an interview with Drew Skull, Unique Perspective, shout out Unique Perspective. But the next day, he came to me, me and Drew, this my boy. He came to me and then, shit, here we are. Yeah, I didn't know nothing about all this. This is new. But I'm glad to be a part of it now. I feel like I'm going in the right direction with something. You know, it is a little light at the end of the tunnel now. So it's just something positive. No, yeah, it's amazing to see you taking your story and your life experience and actually, like, turning it into something that could impact people and to see people actually resonating with it and giving a f*** and really, like, having the numbers looking pretty respectable on your content.

1:43:02I'm excited for what it's going to be like for more people to find out through this. Oh, yeah. The real thing is this. I didn't care about the numbers. I cared about the comments. Oh, yeah. I had to tell him, get out the comments, man. He commented. Hey, man. What's this, man? Let's keep it a buck, though. Ain't no comments doing no tripping. No, he's comments. If you read my comments, they're the truth. Yeah, man. My city's supporting me. Yeah. You know? And that's why I say I'm taking Fort Worth, Texas all the way with us. Eastwood, Eastwood to the top. We're going to know about it. They're going to know about us.

1:43:35And we don't have to gangbang to get us there. We've done that already. There you go, Adam. I'm going to get on this camera, and I'm going to take every opportunity I can that's presented to me. You know what I mean? But we ain't telling no lies. And I want to make that clear. Read the comments. No matter where you're at. If you was fake or you was something that you're saying that you're not, that you know you're not, that comment section is what's going to light up. Yeah. True. Do you think that Fort Worth and Texas in general is closer to unity or something approaching unity than it was 20, 30 years ago?

1:44:14I know it is. It's moving in a better direction. I can call on my phone right now. We were out for each other's ass back then. And now I can call them. Hey, let's talk about it. And that's why I told you about the shirt that I'm coming out with. Because I'm not just doing this for one side. I'm doing it for her at all you know you're going to have to you know I will always I will always I will always be a paru but I can sit in the room and respect people who ain't understand where I'm coming from so now we can converse we can talk we can come up with things to help our children and you know I can't I may not can go to that that youngster that loves the blue side.

1:44:59But I got his OG. 100%. They can. Would you come to Fort Worth? You've been before. You need to really come this time, though, and really come and we'll... You feel me? So you're implying the Go Yayo tour was not as good as I could have been. I asked Remo what I was telling him. I said, bro, what are y 'all doing? Was it dead when you was over there? Was nobody there, right? You've been in one place. Kind of sleepy. I don't want to say too much, but man, some of them people, bro, no disrespect to the neighborhoods at all because that's what that is but how it was presented to you and how it was no no no hell nah you come down there with us you can go all over the whole town all the original Crips all the real blood all of the young dudes the older ones no that shit was cool but that wasn't it when stop 6th day June 6th okay that makes sense It's August what?

1:45:548th. August 8th. You got Grape Street Day. You can come whenever though. If you want to come, you don't got to be no day. It'll be Adam Day in Florida. No, I don't want my own holiday. I'd rather go observe another important holiday. Nah, you can come for sure. Well, I'd love that. You know, that would be all right to bring you through the city. You know. On some real shit. I don't know Go Ye Yo. I'm not speaking on none of that. I don't know what happened. No, he brought him down to the city. And he was like, he took him to a few. He took him to the south side, but he took him to, you know, Yeah, I know of people before, you know, during his, you know, but I don't know him personally.

1:46:30But, yeah, you know, you come down on August 8th. You know, as a matter of fact, we're having East Side Day. Oh, yeah, that's April. Joe Blow, that's April. It's in April, Adam. I'll get the date for you. And we're going to bring it to the city. And everybody going to be there, 100%. And that's going to be both sides of the city. Yeah. Like, this is an East Side thing. And it'll be safe. They're going to be food, barbecuing, police. It's going to be cool. It's structured. It ain't no bullshit. You know what I'm saying? But it's going to be exactly what you into. You know what I'm saying? Right.

1:47:03I think that would be pretty cool. Probably get some new baby mamas out there if you've been any sort of indicator. You know you should introduce him to as a white woman? Adriana. Chechik? Oh, my God. That's a demon right there. Yeah, I already know. Like I said, I'm not. I love her more than anybody in the world. You know what's funny, man? to this day, I've never penetrated a white woman in my life. I've never seen a white woman naked. Naked in front of you. Well, wait, wait. At the strip club. But I mean, when we're about to get it in, I've never been in that position. Mexican either. I just, I really like black women.

1:47:44I like everything about a black woman. And I've respected them so much my whole life. It's just kind of, I've had actually you know the older lady that just called me on the phone she's about 77 or she's up in age i look at her as like a mama because my mom gave up on me too so the black community kind of brought me up you understand what i'm saying like i guess i was like that movie with that huh you know that that that ape in the woods what's that movie oh tarzan raised by the gorillas but yeah yeah you know what i mean and that's just how my life really took off because everybody had already given up on me at such an early age because I was a gunslinger.

1:48:28And I wasn't supposed to live past like they told me. I got the newspaper article. We posted it on the first video I did. Fort Worth Star, Telegram posted it. Oh yeah. I gotta shout out the Texas media real fast, Adam. Texas media cutting boss. Trilla Too Legit. Who else need to shout out Adam down there? Real Tune. Never. You on that side? Okay. He come from me. Real Toon come from the Bob Report. You dig what I'm saying? I put my interviews on his channel. Oh, really? Let me keep it real. Toon showed me how to work my camera. That's what Toon did. Outside of that, everything is from the Bob Report.

1:49:07I met this woman over the weekend, and she had me feeling like Red Dog, man. Delicious. You familiar? Oh, you met Delicious? Oh, my God. I took one look at her, and I was like, maybe I've been wasting my life. oh you that delicious oh yeah adam you yeah you yeah you tripping yeah yeah that's that's that she done got thicker too what she been taking creatine i don't know what she's on but she needs to keep doing it she was amazing just i looked at her face and i was like oh my god she has such a beautiful face and then i looked down at her ass and her boobs were so huge and round too and i was like bruh this guy would be one of the hottest chicks i've ever seen in front of me in my whole life.

1:49:47Delicious is a couple pieces. Yeah, I'm going to tell you something, though. You know, they got a little saying, once you go black, you never go back. So be careful. And I have gone back. I have gone back and I have gone back, but I'm ready to go back once again. Yeah, I'm going face first. Yeah. All the way I just do there, baby. But yeah, man, I really, really, really appreciate this, brother. That was amazing, man. Yeah. I really do, man. Yeah. If you want to stick around, my boy Munchie B from... Oh, Munchie, if you're going to pull up. He about to be here in like a half hour if you guys want to say hi and shit.

1:50:18I feel like you and him would hit it off great. Yeah, he just followed me on Instagram too, old Munchy. Oh, for real? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. About a month ago, you know what I'm saying? I sure wanted to get him on the phone with us right quick. He wanted to talk. Yeah, Munchy B, that'll be cool. He's been gone 10 years. Who now? OG Kiki. Oh, okay, right, right, right. And again, like I say, man, you ain't got him on the line yet, huh? No, the phones are tripping. Well my interview is about to be over So I want him on it I've been listening to you Right Alright well you know tell him I love him So I tried to get him on the line Okay Okay Anyway so again That content will be brought to the Bob report Oh 100 % You know again like I said I want to shout out to the whole Whole whole Tarrant County, Fort Worth, Texas.

1:51:14You know what I'm saying? I want to shout out to all the OGs, all the stand-up, all the people that I grew up with, you know what I'm saying? All the people that support me. Thank you. You know, OG, Keister, Pee Wee, R.I.P., Benny Boy. I need to get out with him. Shout out OG Benny Boy. Who else, man? It's a lot of them. All the OGs. Shout out all the OGs. on both sides. Manchi. Manchi Blood. Joe Blow. Joe Blow. Big Trent. Big Red. Bubba. JD. All y 'all. I love all y 'all, homie. Eastwood Baby for shit, sure. You got to shout out some Crips too, Red Dog. Yeah, I always shout out to them. I don't know a lot of them, but - Oh, look, I got you.

1:52:01Shout out Big Suge. Shout out OG Lose. What about - Big Duke. What about Crip T? Crip T, my boy. K-Love. K-Love. that's to do with the mask he wear a mask at every interview Adam his name is Caleb he's not gonna take it off we need to unite this city homies we need to bring our city together this is bigger than us 100 % we're gonna save our children we really got a reason to fight now you know what I mean we were young and we were doing our thing but now we got a reason to fight we all got kids and we definitely want to bring them up the right way we made our mistakes but now it's time to uh repair them it's time to uh fix our city and again charleston white hey i nominate red dog to be like the next up-and-coming texas media personality because i feel like the people are really gonna with you after this so that's big and well i hope so because you know i'm genuine and uh unless they something else what about the other dude man let's say RIP to him, man.

1:53:09Who? White folk. RIP white folks. No doubt. RIP white folks. RIP white folk, man. I'm new to the internet, y 'all, so I don't know a lot of people. Only when I'm going on Facebook looking for my next baby mama. I think you should, I think you should give a little bit of your tutelage at him. You know, he's good. I am happy to be in service, yeah. Y 'all don't claim riffraff, huh? He from Houston. We folk with riffraff. Okay. He ain't no, you know, riffraff is cool. He's been putting it down for a long time. I was a monster Riff Raff fan back in the day. Oh, my God. I was on his, I'm not even going to say that, in the presence of Red Dog.

1:53:44You don't do that because Red Dog, he. I was a massive fan of Riff Raff. Still am, kind of honestly. I got one of his new songs on my playlist right now, him and BLP Kosher. Yeah, pretty much the Southern hospitality coming from Texas, people are attracted to that. You get what I'm saying? My effects. Yo, Red Dog, appreciate you, man. Shout out to Head and D-Dog. Free D-Dog. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I say, man, I'm sorry if I didn't bring y 'all up. I've been up all night riding a bus to get here. We didn't get the luxury of the plane. That bus kept me up. I'm tired. I ain't focused. He told me, tell him why we didn't ride it.

1:54:21There's two reasons why we didn't ride it. I've already told him. He said, what's the other reason? Tell him. I got a warrant. No, not that. That's the other one. He think the plane will get shot out of the sky. Oh, yeah. He's already been down for a week. now and I'm not really I'm not you never know when they're gonna start doing something you know I just don't wanna ride a plane if Iran wants to send these drones at us good luck we gonna shoot them shits out of the sky before they even get close buddy and god bless America man the Ayatollah all of them see now we got a reason to go in another direction with this lifestyle Yeah, yeah, we ought to all join together against the Middle East.

1:55:03Yeah, you know, and like I said, I pray to God our soldiers make it home, each and every one of them, back to their families. They have children as well, you know. So I'm definitely supporting our troops. Even though, you know, a lot of them don't fuck with me because I'm that white boy that they kind of cast it out, thrown away, you know, but I'm still here. at the end of the day man like I said I have much respect for you brother and I thank you for bringing me here huge amount of respect for you too man Red Dog legend tap in go watch a bunch of his other content and make sure you check out Bob's report the Bob report on YouTube and he got a lot of other crazy ass content focused on Texas but also around the world appreciate you guys feel free to stick around for a little bit I definitely would like to see you and Munchy tap in.

1:55:56That'll be fire. Yeah, me too, yeah. But yeah, shout out to you guys. No Jumber, coolest podcast in the world. Check us out on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, et cetera. Like, comment, subscribe. We will be reading the comments and shout out to our members. And whoop, Eastwood, I love you. Let's go.